Best track on DOG MAN STAR

I think it was mainly with "We are the pigs" !

Or "Stay Together?"

Following the death of Bernard Butler's father, relations within Suede started to deteriorate. Butler kept to himself on the following tour of the US, while the other band members "indulged in probably the worst excesses of their career". Butler travelled to concerts by himself or on The Cranberries tour bus, rather than travel with his bandmates. This influence became prevalent as Butler later stated, "Whatever I did on Stay Together was the A to Z of the emotions I was experiencing... defiance, loss, a final sigh."

What was intended as a couple of days' recording stretched out to two weeks. It was later revealed that the song had almost 50 tracks of recorded material on it. According to an entry in Simon Gilbert's diary in the biography Love and Poison, Butler objected to the lyrics in "Stay Together". The entry read: "Lyrics not to be printed on cover of single in case his mother reads it. '16 tears', obviously paedophilic!". The lyrics for "The Living Dead" were also criticised by Butler, at the time he said: "I've written this really beautiful piece of music and it's a squalid song about junkies".

It is known that throughout the decade after its release, the band have largely disowned the song, perhaps because it reminded them of the problems within the band at the time. On the single Anderson says, "I don't think the fuss about Stay Together was justified, I think that was just hype," He shrugs. "I just find it a bit bombastic. I don't think the lyrics are that good either. It's okay, you know, it's okay. I think the b-sides are much better". However publicist Phill Savage suggests that Anderson "can't believe he wrote it about that girl, Anick" (Brett's girlfriend at the time), which is why he has no feelings for it. Anderson has described "Stay Together" as one of the few points in the band's career where hype dictated its success

Things were so bad he was riding with the Cranberries! I can't imagine.

iirc it was BA who had issues with "Stay Together", wasn't it ? That said his lyrics and performance ARE terrible on that song !

Ahah

I disagree, I think 'Stay Together' is a great song. Both Anderson and Butler had problems with it for different reasons.

Butler also had a problem with 'Killing of a Flashboy' and he's wrong there too.

stay together rules so hard.

actually this is still my idea of what a band/artist should do instead of waiting like 4 years between 2 albums like bands do nowadays...

King Gizzard And The Lizard Wizard have released six albums in the last 2.5 years and toured all of them

What was his issue with "flash boy" ?

"it's a squalid song about junkies"

it's Suede tho

re:Stay Together, I'm not sure I'd ever heard it before yesterday when I saw it so highly praised, it didn't make a great initial impression but it's growing on me.

I have a weird relationship w Suede since I've listened the first 4 albums to pieces but never really dug into b-sides/non-album singles. I know esp the b-sides are highly acclaimed but I ever got into them, I used to own Sci-Fi Lullabies but for some reason I never put it on.

Like there was a window of opportunity in which Suede's music was able to make a big and lasting impression on me, but then after that I became less open to "new" Suede sounds.

It's strange you should say that - if I had to take just one of their albums to the desert island with me, it'd be the first disc of Sci-Fi Lullabies!

Maybe I'll get into it someday, I try every once in a while. Listening to the first track now, it certainly sounds good.

Yeah, disc 1 of scifi is their best album with the s/t. Simply wonderful.

yep