the most promising young american author is TAO LIN

You are giving that academic/literary canon far more power than it ever had in real life. It is mostly an illusion. You seem to accept that this is a massive injustice, rather than a middling minor one. The prestige of the canon you're so mad about has been waning as fast as Latin classes in high school.

At this moment in history you have rapid access to a vast wealth of non-euro voices, more than you could read in the decades left to you. Bitching because kiddies aren't being spoon fed them accomplishes nothing. Just go read them if you want to. You are free to browse the pastures of literature as whim or interest guides you, and all those kiddies have the internet, and they can wander hither and thither, too, if you can pry them away from the porn.

the era of infinite accessibility means cultural gatekeepers matter more, not less, and academic/literary canons are no longer so easily separable from internet/twitter/porn culture, it seems.

its unpacking the word 'interesting' that is needed from tao lin proponents, imo

instead of being like, it has this general worthiness that should be appreciated

― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, November 29, 2017 9:10 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

why

no one owes you anything

this isn't a tribunal

there are no "art crimes"

and i despise cocaine and cokeheads

Feel free not to post in the thread for an author whose work other people like

i just saw 20 minutes of bad mom's xmas and disagree heartily that there are no art crimes.

why

no one owes you anything

this isn't a tribunal

there are no "art crimes"

and i despise cocaine and cokeheads

― flappy bird, Wednesday, November 29, 2017 11:39 PM (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i meant if they want this conversation to extend past 'well hes a shithead so i dont care about him'

You are giving that academic/literary canon far more power than it ever had in real life. It is mostly an illusion. You seem to accept that this is a massive injustice, rather than a middling minor one. The prestige of the canon you're so mad about has been waning as fast as Latin classes in high school.

At this moment in history you have rapid access to a vast wealth of non-euro voices, more than you could read in the decades left to you. Bitching because kiddies aren't being spoon fed them accomplishes nothing. Just go read them if you want to. You are free to browse the pastures of literature as whim or interest guides you, and all those kiddies have the internet, and they can wander hither and thither, too, if you can pry them away from the porn.

― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, November 29, 2017 10:53 PM (fifty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

are you really this bad at comprehending the argument in front of you? this isnt just about the literary canon, its about every fucking thing

I don't feel strongly enough about Tao Lin or Taipei anymore to unpack why I find it interesting, beyond what I've already said here recently and what I probably said 4 years ago

Who would be Tao Lin's successor?

OTTESSA MOSHFEGH

I don't feel strongly enough about Tao Lin or Taipei anymore to unpack why I find it interesting, beyond what I've already said here recently and what I probably said 4 years ago

― flappy bird, Wednesday, November 29, 2017 11:55 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ok then what are you even arguing about?

Who would be Tao Lin's successor?

― Philip Nunez, Thursday, November 30, 2017 12:59 AM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

OTTESSA MOSHFEGH

― flappy bird, Thursday, November 30, 2017 1:00 AM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

dude wtf

why u slime otessa like that

I don't feel strongly enough about Tao Lin or Taipei anymore to unpack why I find it interesting, beyond what I've already said here recently and what I probably said 4 years ago

― flappy bird, Wednesday, November 29, 2017 11:55 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ok then what are you even arguing about?

― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, November 29, 2017 11:04 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

https://youtu.be/V_3JMIF5rVI?t=18m7s

ok then what are you even arguing about?

― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, November 30, 2017 1:04 AM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haha i'm not arguing anything! i didnt bump the thread, we veered into a general discussion about art and if it is inextricable from its creator, and then briefly back to Taipei

flopson do you not like Ottessa Moshfegh?

xp ah, no i only meant she's the most promising young american author at the moment imo

ok then what are you even arguing about?

― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 30 November 2017 06:04 (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Dude

why are you 'dude'-ing me? he's the one who wants to defend the right to defend tao lin, which hes not interested in doing

Read that again, out if character if u can (please god d-40 is a character u assume on ilx, for your sake)

no i wrote that exactly how i meant it bud

maybe you need to read it again

Once was enough ........pal

whats your issue with me exactly?

hes passionately defending his right to defend tao lin, who he has no interest in defending. its pointless

these kinds of abstract head game unrealities are the kinds of weird pseudo politics all you dudes traffic in in these arguments anyway, as long as it can be presented in a tone of smug knowing-ness. its very easy to see thru

Why do you think that is hmmm?.....m8

you like jacking each other off is my main theory

Aren't u og jackoff sesh

Anyways Tao Lin defend yr rights itt to d40 or else.....guvnor

...? who asked for that

the same person who asserted that dead white men are the worst, i guess? i.e. a strawman.

get angry about slavery and colonial wars, deej. not about Homer, Horace and Virgil.

i lol'd mightily at this last night

how about "defend the indefensible: tao lin"

I oppose the Stalinist/Pitchforkian tendency on this board to go back and change thread titles.

I don’t care about the thread title actually changing but I agree that a more interesting conversation would probably come from that prompt

But the fact that it had the former & not latter title says a lot !

https://mic.com/articles/186533/the-art-vs-artist-debate-should-end-with-2017?curator=MediaREDEF#.gFGKqFF1u

despite the fact that this essay doesn't really say anything, i find myself mostly agreeing with it

I oppose the Stalinist/Pitchforkian tendency on this board to go back and change thread titles.

― New Jersey (treeship 2), Sunday, December 3, 2017 12:33 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah i'm not sure how i feel about it, i finally remembered which thread title was changed recently: "Crystal Castles (rule)" or something. I don't have any investment in CC but understand why some people would want to change that thread title. i mean, thread titles don't get changed very often afaik. with this thread, i actually think a defend the indefensible is more fitting and would've been in 2013.

I don’t care about the thread title actually changing but I agree that a more interesting conversation would probably come from that prompt

― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Sunday, December 3, 2017 2:52 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

agreed

But the fact that it had the former & not latter title says a lot !

― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Sunday, December 3, 2017 2:53 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Not sure what you mean. Again this was 4 years ago, I was psyched on Taipei, not much thought went into the thread title, not a fraction of the angst over it itt atm

Thought experiment: If it is agreed that henceforth works of art shall be judged and valued according to how we judge and value the artist who made them, how are we going to know what to think about anonymous art, or art created by people like Shakespeare, whose name we know, but about whose life we know only a few unrevealing fragments and who is regularly argued not to have written the works to which his name is attached?

I oppose the Stalinist/Pitchforkian tendency on this board to go back and change thread titles.

of all the things in this world to give a flying fuck about

we have always been at war with simon h-er

Good lord of all the line readings to take seriously ffs

lot of literal fucks being given/expressed over a throwaway treezy comment, just saying

anyway changing the title seems pointless, pretty sure people understand that the thread is about tao lin, which includes his work, personal life, dumb beliefs, etc

rate the following ideologies: stalinism, pitchforkism

order as in post imo

anyway. lol:

I've lost ~500 followers since tweeting my vaccine-info email to my brother

— Tao Lin (@tao_lin) December 2, 2017

haha

When I need medical advice, I always get it from my local hipster novelist

Losing 500 followers is nothing like the sting of getting dropped from Vintage, just you wait kid.

He posted a pic of the galley for Trip on his IG. Review copies go out 1/1.

I’m surprised it was only 500.

scientific accuracy not his forte