what happened to gary ainge?
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 21 February 2018 20:11 (six years ago) link
ooh, look at this live recording from Spain from 1985, they sound great!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUcw_CkIkT8
― erry red flag (f. hazel), Wednesday, 21 February 2018 20:20 (six years ago) link
bass player looks so sad though
Gary Ainge did this album with Marco Thomas (who I think is the sad bassist above?) under the name Fly in 2002:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrgOjndyyqo
― soref, Wednesday, 21 February 2018 20:31 (six years ago) link
Put The Needle Down And Fly by Fly is one of the albums listed in the sleeve notes to Instant Wigwam and Igloo Mixture, one of my happiest moments in a record shop was seeing Put The Needle Down And Fly and realising it actually existed after assuming that both the album and band were fictional
(the album came out a couple of years after Instant Wigwam but Fly had already released a single in 1998 - I wonder if it was Lawrence who came up with the album title, though)
― soref, Wednesday, 21 February 2018 20:38 (six years ago) link
Lawrence came up with all the song titles on the Fly album
― PaulTMA, Wednesday, 21 February 2018 21:31 (six years ago) link
no one is playing bass... that's deebank.
gary plays with lawrence... and vic godard.
― new noise, Wednesday, 21 February 2018 23:09 (six years ago) link
Loved On The Hot Dog Streets massively so can't wait for the new album.
― PaulTMA, Thursday, 22 February 2018 00:13 (six years ago) link
nah, I meant the guy to the left of lawrence... I guess he isn't holding a guitar though!
― erry red flag (f. hazel), Thursday, 22 February 2018 00:27 (six years ago) link
that's duffy.
― new noise, Thursday, 22 February 2018 01:16 (six years ago) link
looks like he just realized he left his gun in the bathroom
― erry red flag (f. hazel), Thursday, 22 February 2018 04:23 (six years ago) link
some clips of the new ignite mixes on bleep: https://bleep.com/release/95538-felt-ignite-the-seven-cannons
― scoff walker (diamonddave85), Thursday, 22 February 2018 16:07 (six years ago) link
Hmmmm, it's a strange thing, the songs come through a lot more clearly, I feel like I'm hearing the lyrics for the first time, but also it sound a little leaden, lacking the lightness and subtlety of the earlier albums. The drums plod a little. Maybe it takes getting used to. I do wonder if Guthrie just didn't do an amazing job of recording felt and flung the dense cocteaus filigree all over it as a smoke screen.
Haha Duffy does look like a sulky 13 year old in that footage.
Maurice soloing blithely, obliviously through ballad of the band is also priceless.
I'm kind of passively approving of mozarts minimart without expecting to like it overmuch. It's great that he's stuck to the GKM remit and made a hugely irritating and slightly disturbing collection of novelty pop as opposed to the Denim on a shoestring of the last two. They were a hoot in Brighton, Vic Godard leapt on stage and tucked a tenner in lawrence's pocket during relative poverty.
― cw, Thursday, 22 February 2018 23:17 (six years ago) link
these mixes r weird
― scoff walker (diamonddave85), Friday, 23 February 2018 23:19 (six years ago) link
It sounds like there's a little more space and separation. You can hear the dinky drums better. Might just be me, those are some lofi clips
― brimstead, Friday, 23 February 2018 23:42 (six years ago) link
the clips I posted aren't actually the remixed versions 😔 they're available on streaming services tho
― scoff walker (diamonddave85), Saturday, 24 February 2018 01:40 (six years ago) link
Moazart's Mini Mart is all that matters
― PaulTMA, Saturday, 24 February 2018 02:07 (six years ago) link
I was more going by the clips in these excellent interviews:
https://www.mixcloud.com/sohoradio/morning-glory-13022018/
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09rws9l#play
(scarlet servants and i don't know which way to turn),
by the way, "Denim on a shoestring" & "hugely irritating and slightly disturbing collection of novelty pop" are in no way meats as pejoratives, i adore them all...
― cw, Saturday, 24 February 2018 11:37 (six years ago) link
sorry that 2nd link should have been:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09rn2mb
& I highly recommend it, Gideon Coe is a big fan & lawrence is on good form.
― cw, Saturday, 24 February 2018 11:48 (six years ago) link
If you love Felt but dismiss Denim or Go-Kart Mozart give them another chance. The idea that they are all novelty songs is wrong. Yes, there's "The New Potatoes" but that's an anomaly. There's a lot of serious, clever and creative songwriting about consumerism, drug addiction, failed love affairs, being in a band etc - which Felt also covered - instrumentals not much different from Let The Snakes Crinkle Their Heads or Train Above the City. The vocals are more upfront than Felt and delivered much more confidently. There's waves of instruments that dominate the songs but instead of Deebank doing his endless guitar solo or Duffy doing his endless organ solo you get endless synth soloing and sequencers. The production aesthetic is a bit different but on albums like Instant Wigwam or Denim On Ice the DNA is 95% the same.
― everything, Saturday, 24 February 2018 16:43 (six years ago) link
"In the seventies there were Osmands" is excellent
― brimstead, Saturday, 24 February 2018 18:26 (six years ago) link
Genuinely feel sorry for the Felt fans who don’t realise everything he did afterwards is superior
― PaulTMA, Saturday, 24 February 2018 22:55 (six years ago) link
Don't knock "The New Potatoes", by the way, Charlie Brooker picked it as his no.1 musical choice on Desert Island Discs.
― Video reach stereo bog (Tom D.), Saturday, 24 February 2018 23:10 (six years ago) link
Back In Denim is Lawrence's masterpiece. It's the perfect balance of everything I love about him. Denim On Ice isn't far behind. The Go-Kart Mozart albums haven't quite been in the same league.
― kitchen person, Sunday, 25 February 2018 02:33 (six years ago) link
Totally agree with that but as per thread title Lawrence is a genius and Instant Wigwam proves it also imo..
― everything, Sunday, 25 February 2018 03:15 (six years ago) link
Tearing Up The Album Chart is my favourite of the Go-Kart albums. It seems the most fleshed out and songs like Glorious Chorus, Listening To Marmalade and City Centre are up there with the best Denim songs. Instant Wigwam has grown on me over the years but a lot of the songs seem like good ideas that are underdeveloped. We're Selfish, Lazy & Greedy and Here Is A Song are nice songs that suffer from being way too repetitive. Mrs Back To Front is the highlight. It's Lawrence at his most inspired.
― kitchen person, Sunday, 25 February 2018 04:18 (six years ago) link
Mrs. Back to Front is genius. Good example of where instant wigwam works so well - songs, jokes, angst, pastiche, kitsch, experimentalism all in one track.
― everything, Sunday, 25 February 2018 04:38 (six years ago) link
Instant Wigwam does sound like a nervous breakdown set to music
― PaulTMA, Sunday, 25 February 2018 11:28 (six years ago) link
are these albums actually remixed? I missed that, I assumed tey were just remastered (if that)
― akm, Sunday, 25 February 2018 15:35 (six years ago) link
oh only six songs on Ignite were remixed. I wonder why.
― akm, Sunday, 25 February 2018 15:36 (six years ago) link
Yeah, it sounds weird that some of them still have that old style production. I'm glad they didn't touch Primitive Painters. It's perfect as it is.
― kitchen person, Sunday, 25 February 2018 18:01 (six years ago) link
From reading interviews Lawrence has said that the guitar effects were recorded to tape rather than recording the guitars dry and then adding the effect later so I dunno how much he had to work with. I don't mind the original production that much, it certainly works on Primitive Painters.
― self heating (brownie), Sunday, 25 February 2018 18:15 (six years ago) link
Lawrence says in the radio interview that he took the master tapes for the songs that had vocals and they used those tapes to do the remastering. I assume the rest of the untouched songs are instrumental + Primitive Painters.
― brotherlovesdub, Sunday, 25 February 2018 18:33 (six years ago) link
from recent interview at the quietus:
He did one song that was really good, which was 'Primitive Painters'. But that was because when we got back from Scotland where we'd recorded it we remixed it in a big London studio, because it was going to be a single. But on the rest of the album he just applied his Cocteau Twins techniques to Felt, which I didn't want him to do at all.
So I knew that one day I was definitely going to remix those six tracks, the ones with singing on them. And what I did was I took the master tapes home from Edinburgh at the end of that session. I stole them and I kept them with me for all of these years.
― new noise, Sunday, 25 February 2018 18:38 (six years ago) link
call me crazy but i listen to felt for the endless guitar/organ solos paired with some catchy singing sometimes by a guy who sounds like a goofy tom verlaine. no so much in it for hyper ironic lyrics and production
i gave GKM a listen and it's not bad and i'll be spending more time with it. but all yall saying that it's better than felt are out of your minds. taste is subjective and all but that's about as close as you can get to having an objectively wrong opinion
― scoff walker (diamonddave85), Sunday, 25 February 2018 19:27 (six years ago) link
Go Kart Mozart - Marc Riley Session #2 12th February 2018
― new noise, Sunday, 25 February 2018 19:35 (six years ago) link
"But on the rest of the album he just applied his Cocteau Twins techniques to Felt, which I didn't want him to do at all." well poo on you lawrence but this is one of guthrie's best production jobs.
― akm, Sunday, 25 February 2018 21:42 (six years ago) link
Case #4394016 where an artist can't appreciate their own work.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Monday, 26 February 2018 17:14 (six years ago) link
Although he supposedly hated the sound on Poem Of The River even more - the rumour has it he threw the tapes in the Thames, although I think that's a tall story. Wonder if he'd remix that too, given access.
― PaulTMA, Monday, 26 February 2018 18:01 (six years ago) link
in lawrence's defence i don't think i've ever read anything about ignite that hasn't been critical of the production.
― new noise, Monday, 26 February 2018 18:14 (six years ago) link
http://www.furious.com/perfect/felt.html
I was going to chuck these tapes into the Thames and tell McGee there's no album. He said, 'I've put my last six grand into this album. I've sold it to all these European companies! If you don't deliver the tapes, I'm finished and Creation's finished!' I had to give it to him!
― new noise, Monday, 26 February 2018 18:20 (six years ago) link
Listened to the remixed tracks from "Ignite The Seven Cannons". I think I'm just too used to the original versions, these don't seem like an improvement at all.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Sunday, 4 March 2018 01:37 (six years ago) link
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i bet mcgee had a similar talk with kevin shields, and i bet kevin shields just went ahead and chucked it into the river
― i remember the corned beef of my childhood (Karl Malone), Sunday, 4 March 2018 01:39 (six years ago) link
Eye-opening interview from MAURICE DEEBANK no lesshttps://www.outsideleft.com/main.php?updateID=1528
― PaulTMA, Sunday, 4 March 2018 18:47 (six years ago) link
wow!
― erry red flag (f. hazel), Sunday, 4 March 2018 19:17 (six years ago) link
Why am I enjoying the new one so much?
― afriendlypioneer, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 14:13 (six years ago) link
Has Maurice Deebank gone on the record before to that extent?
― erry red flag (f. hazel), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 15:48 (six years ago) link
thank you for reminding me to read this. enjoying it so far!
At sixteen I acquired my first electric guitar. It really was an amazing event, as I could now learn techniques and conjure up sounds that hitherto had been out of reach. It was at that time that I encountered a fellow villager named, Lawrence.
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 16:00 (six years ago) link
he really knocks the answer to "what was your musical vision?" out of the park!
― erry red flag (f. hazel), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 16:09 (six years ago) link
Glad to read his side of things for once. So much frustration.
― burzum buddies (brownie), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 16:16 (six years ago) link