S/D: Gay movies of arty qualities

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Some of my favorites:

Mala Noche
My Own Private Idaho
Naked Lunch
Wild Reeds
Water Drops on Burning Rocks
Tropical Malady

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 1 October 2006 18:02 (seventeen years ago) link

I liked But I'm a Cheerleader a lot

― Bob Six (bobbysix), Sunday, 1 October 2006 18:38 (seventeen years ago) link

I know it's an "independent" film, but so was Velvet Goldmine, and I'm fairly certain that film has no place in this kind of discussion.

very puzzling that this is the only (wrongheaded) mention of todd haynes on this thread. don't pretty much all of haynes' movies fit exactly this description?

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 1 October 2006 19:11 (seventeen years ago) link

I can't wait to see how the Dylan pic fits the criteria (no snark intended, by the way).

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 1 October 2006 20:28 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah. well, maybe in the way that t.h.'s movies are all about identity in various ways (which always seems at least implicitly tied to gayness, and explicitly in a lot of them). dylan's a good case study in the creation and manipulation of identity, and also the way it can be a trap, etc. (i assume that's the point of having so many different actors play the part.) anyway, i'm looking forward to that movie.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 1 October 2006 20:41 (seventeen years ago) link

also david lynch possibly has a place in the discussion, homophobe tho he may be. mulholland drive is on logo a lot, and he also seems like one of the most obvious descendants of kenneth anger, cinematically.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 1 October 2006 20:44 (seventeen years ago) link

how is Lynch a homophobe? I admit: homos exist for him for fetishizing purposes (eyeliner, feyness, white powder, "In Dreams").

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 1 October 2006 20:50 (seventeen years ago) link

well yeah, homophobe might not be fair. i'm mostly thinking of the dean stockwell character there, who's kind of a poison-queen archetype (and lynch's archetypes tend to be kind of reactionary in general). but at the same time, the first time i saw scorpio rising i thought, "wow, david lynch has seen this movie a hundred times."

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 1 October 2006 21:00 (seventeen years ago) link

After several dozen screenings, I still can't say for certain that Dean Stockwell IS gay -- or whether it matters. He's just a mincing weirdo, the most outrageous element in that most outrageous of scenes.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 1 October 2006 22:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Anyone familiar with this new Mexican director Julián Hernández? His A Thousand Clouds of Peace... was really something -- like early Van Sant, only more elliptical, and he's got one that just opened in NYC, Broken Sky, that sounds like it will attract tons of Chelsea boys (for the young Latin flesh) who will go to sleep (from all the pining and wandering, 140 minutes' worth).

http://slantmagazine.com/film/film_review.asp?ID=2552

Kenneth Anger in person at an hourlong screening of his 'essentials' next Saturday night at the NY Film Fest (tix still available):

http://www.filmlinc.com/nyff/program/avantgarde/kennethanger.html

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 October 2006 13:02 (seventeen years ago) link

three months pass...

wow, Two Drifters is outrageous and deadpan. Less sex than O Fantasma but even more pervy, it's true. Strangest needledrop score too -- Andy Williams to Bright Eyes!

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 6 January 2007 19:48 (seventeen years ago) link

I wonder if Jackass 2 belongs here?

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 6 January 2007 22:37 (seventeen years ago) link

That Kenneth Anger thing is coming to the Walker in Minneapolis soon. I should go!

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 6 January 2007 22:38 (seventeen years ago) link

what's the deal w jackass 2?

― teeny (teeny), Saturday, 6 January 2007 22:57 (seventeen years ago) link

NEWSIES

― Abbott (Abbott), Saturday, 6 January 2007 23:05 (seventeen years ago) link

(x-post) It's sort of a weird crypto AIDS movie in which gayness is surpressed with self-imposed body abuse. Until the finale, when the thin line is crossed and it sucks big time.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 6 January 2007 23:06 (seventeen years ago) link

'Boys in the Band' is great at conjuring up a long-gone past.

― Bob Six (bobbysix), Sunday, 7 January 2007 12:49 (seventeen years ago) link

well, so is Private Idaho

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 January 2007 15:50 (seventeen years ago) link

jackass 2 may be gay, but it sure isn't arty.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Monday, 8 January 2007 15:51 (seventeen years ago) link

There are a bunch of similar-ish French gay arty movies, generally about confused young working class men who get their kit off and have angst re their masculinity/ sexuality/ hottness etc etc

I am thinking of Presque Rien (studenty bloke has failed suicide attempt and thinks back to holiday gay romance that lead him to it), Le Clan (hot brothers have various types of angst), Wild Side (pre op tranny brings her two boyfriends to help look after her sick mum) etc. They are all quite slow and elliptical but worth watching

― Mark Co (Markco), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:14 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah, Le Clan had its moments but was mostly worth it for the beefcake (directed by one actor from Wild Reeds, starring another -- same with the similarly meh Full Speed).

xpost

New print of Becket about to show in NYC.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh man, I LOVE Newsies but my sister got dibs on the VHS copy. I surrendered it for the tape of "Treasure Island" with Charleton Heston and 16 year-old Christian Bale.

― Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:24 (seventeen years ago) link

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Le Clan was pretty ridiculous in the amount of nudity in it, not that I was complaining. Agree that Full Speed was pretty meh

Presque Rien is probably the best of the ones I mentioned and also stars that same actor (Stephane Rideaux?).

― Mark Co (Markco), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:27 (seventeen years ago) link

yes, Rideau -- he's good in Wild Reeds and always a visual treat.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Is he gay? He was rather fetching in the awful American-style-artiness of Come Undone.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:31 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm not sure but yes, he is v foxy. He seems to be typecast as gay rough trade anyway. He was in an Ozon film too, though I haven't seen it yet.

That other Ozon film about the bloke dying of cancer (Time to Leave) = another arty gay type film

― Mark Co (Markco), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:38 (seventeen years ago) link

The Ozon film is so bad I had to throw up with embarrassment, not least for what he does to Jeanne Moreau.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:44 (seventeen years ago) link

oh foo! Moreau is not allowed to go makeupless a la Dench?

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:49 (seventeen years ago) link

the subplot where he fathers a kid after some waitress in a caff decides that he looks nice is surely the worst part of that film

the bit with Jeanne M was the only bit that made me feel a bit tearful

― Mark Co (Markco), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:51 (seventeen years ago) link

I can't be objective, as I have been in lust with Melvil Poupaud since Tale of Summer. I agree on the child thing, but I thought making him such a prick mostly worked.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:55 (seventeen years ago) link

He is v handsome but a bit too skinny for my taste (like, even before he had film cancer)

A quick look at wikipedia and Stephane Rideau appears to be straight (he has a girlfriend and a kid at any rate)

― Mark Co (Markco), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:58 (seventeen years ago) link

The Moreau section is Old Lady Award Baiting. In a British film Lynn Redgrave would played her part.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:58 (seventeen years ago) link

or Sarah Miles!

― Mark Co (Markco), Monday, 8 January 2007 17:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Does anymore remember this Spanish film from a few years back about two teenage boys trying to come into terms with their sexuality during a summer holiday? It was pretty good, but I can't recall its name... If I remember correctly, the movie title was the word they used for mutual masturbation, but the word itself escapes me.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 8 January 2007 17:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Nico & Dani? The blond was delicious.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 8 January 2007 17:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, that's it, thanks! (The original title is "Krámpack".)

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 8 January 2007 17:33 (seventeen years ago) link

By the way, I just saw Shortbus a couple of weeks ago, and it was pretty good. Lots of straight action in it too.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 8 January 2007 17:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Many of the films being mentioned in the recent posts look suspiciously less like art and more like gay arthouse.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 8 January 2007 18:29 (seventeen years ago) link

What's the difference?

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 8 January 2007 18:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Arthouse = boutique = not art but decoration.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 8 January 2007 18:32 (seventeen years ago) link

And by "art" you mean...?

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 8 January 2007 18:35 (seventeen years ago) link

I think he means we should stop short of The Broken Hearts Club.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 January 2007 18:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes, I started the thread talking about Genet and Anger. I'm not sure we need to go down the road of Eurocute coming out fairy tales.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 8 January 2007 18:47 (seventeen years ago) link

I mean, I like Beautiful Thing as much as can be expected, but it's not what I had in mind when I started the thread.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 8 January 2007 18:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Tuomas, I was shocked by Shortbus - not by the outrageous sex, but by how rubbish it was.

― Giraffe (Japanese Giraffe), Monday, 8 January 2007 18:59 (seventeen years ago) link

jackass 2 outtakes.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 8 January 2007 19:04 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.dailymotion.com/Flavor/video/xwg7j_jackass-2-deleted-scenes

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 8 January 2007 19:04 (seventeen years ago) link

speaking of Anger, Vol 1 DVD out January 27th from Fantoma

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 8 January 2007 19:07 (seventeen years ago) link

did anyone see La Dolce Vita? the gay porn thing on michael lucas entertainment? part of it was filmed in the marc jacobs boutique!

― phil-two (phil-two), Monday, 8 January 2007 20:33 (seventeen years ago) link

I mean, I like Beautiful Thing as much as can be expected, but it's not what I had in mind when I started the thread.

Fair enough, that is why I didn't want to recommend any "coming out fairy tales". I thought Shortbus had a lot of "arty qualities" though, even if it wasn't an art film per se. As for total art films, Beau travail is still essential if you haven't seen it.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 8 January 2007 21:16 (seventeen years ago) link

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