Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure: Classic or Beyond Classic?

Yup. That's essential to the way the film ends for me.

What’s the story of Bill & Ted Face the Music?

ED SOLOMON: Bill and Ted were told at 16 that they were going to be the greatest people who ever lived. That they were gonna write a song that is going to save the world, and it hasn’t happened. And now they are middle-aged men. They’ve got wives who used to be princesses in medieval England who are now working double shifts at Denny’s, they’ve got teenagers that are about to leave home, money is tight, and they’ve been chasing this dream, writing song after song, when somebody from the future shows up and says, “You have 24 hours. The fate of all of space/time depends on it – and if it doesn’t happen now, it’s never gonna happen.” Bill and Ted are confused because they know they had to have written it, because after all the people in the future told them they did.. so they just must not have written it yet. So in their desperation they decide their only option is to go into the future – to when the have written it – and to steal it from themselves. What follows is a kind of utterly absurd, Christmas Carol-like journey through their lives past, present, and future. Their daughters (Bill has a daughter named Thea, Ted’s daughter is named Billie) are also very involved in trying to help them.

http://collider.com/bill-and-ted-3/

this is a nice launching off point. they have a run-in with this timeline:

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Freaked is so good. Rasta eyeball henchmen named Eye & I!

Oh man freaked is the best movie ever made

bogus journey is really really really really crazy and really GOES FOR IT in a way few movies especially sequels would.

I'm so good with people doing the thing they got famous for in their youth when they are old. It's cool to see people old.

I still stand by this:

Bill & Ted traveled time, conquered death, met aliens and God itself, and defeated their own ego — all with the simple commandments of Be Excellent To Yourself and Be Excellent To Each Other.

No other organized religion has delivered as much. https://t.co/B8HKTJaWc8

— Chris Barrus (@quartzcity) May 9, 2018

bogus journey is really really really really crazy and really GOES FOR IT in a way few movies especially sequels would.

yeah it is flat out insane. the first movie had them time travelling around hanging out with historical figures, so how do they top that? any other time travelling franchise would just relocate their adventures. instead they kill them in the first half hour and have them traverse life and death and the supernatural space in between. they possess their parents, they haunt a seance, they quote Poison lyrics to God, they beat Death at Twister and later have him join their band, etc. just non stop insanity

I'm so good with people doing the thing they got famous for in their youth when they are old. It's cool to see people old.

For some reason this immediately made me think of when I saw the 50-year-old Jesus and Mary Chain play and indeed they were great

one thing that’s kinda interesting to me about bill and ted is that i’d struggle to tell you much about what differentiates them from each other as characters but yet they don’t feel underwritten - they’re this kinda unique friendship gestalt where they’re so in sync that they’re essentially one character

and that character’s name

is

WYLD STALLIONS

*air guitar*

indeed a big part of the appeal is the two leads, their chemistry. it is a pair of best friends, a bromance for the ages. they talk about this in the Totally Non Bogus Disc interviews, how when they casted the first one they saw the actors in line at a fast food place and thought "These people should be Bill & Ted" because they just looked like two Cali best friends hanging out together. it is a very cute & wholesome relationship that avoids being twee even with Keanu tilting his moppey head like a puppy. this friendship is super important, it anchors the films while the most insane shit - time travel, life and death - is going on around them.

i’d struggle to tell you much about what differentiates them from each other as characters

Well, Ted did take Bill's stepmom Missy to prom . . .

Bill is the "smart" one, Ted is the gregarious one. I think.

Step Brothers had a pretty similar vibe. it didn't really register how strange that was until a while after

in theory a B&T III could be great. I'm just kind of jaded by all the terrible fan service reboots that are out there right now though and it's hard for me to believe this will possess any of the creative spirit that made Bogus Journey a genuinely good sequel.

Like I can already picture this:

Bad guy: Use the Slipknot on them.
B&T: Excellent!
Bad guy: Hang them.
B&T Bogus!

However if they have a So-crates-like encounter with Karl Marx that would redeem it for me

Freaked is great and I'm happy to hijack this thread in the service of reemphasizing that point.

Alex Winter talked about Bill & Ted 3 in his Film Threat interview about Freaked (ca. 1992). It involved one of them being shrunk and deposited into the brain of the other in order to make him less of a dumbfuck. Or fuck-up. Can't remember the exact quote.

I'm just kind of jaded by all the terrible fan service reboots that are out there right now though and it's hard for me to believe this will possess any of the creative spirit that made Bogus Journey a genuinely good sequel.

Like I can already picture this:

Bad guy: Use the Slipknot on them.
B&T: Excellent!
Bad guy: Hang them.
B&T Bogus!

I'm guessing this is your example of a lazy sequel joke, but I actually did chuckle at it

I was watching the Red Letter Media take on the first two, and right at the start one of the guys brings up a good point. The first one came out in 1989, and it's an iconically '80s movie. The second one comes out just two years later, '91, yet it already feels totally '90s. Really underscores that cultural shift.

First one was written in 1984-85 and shot in 1987 iirc? Second one was probably written and shot all in 1990 - even the Evan Dorkin sequel comic series started in 1991.

if the sequel had come out nowadays, it woulda had its original title

re-watching the original with a couple 90s babies who haven't seen it, and they are absolutely loving it. pure joy for us all

lol, I knew sic would correct me that it was shot a couple of years before release. Point still stands!

Unrelated - and I say this as someone who spent time in the valley as a kid - was there a male equivalent of a valley girl? A valley guy? Because these guys talk like surfers/stoners/skaters but aren't any of those things. If anything they're ... metalheads? But don't really act like that, either. It's one of the movie's many charms.

not correcting, just reasoning why!

Uh, Marina Men?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXDRHOvfFZk

Because these guys talk like surfers/stoners/skaters but aren't any of those things. If anything they're ... metalheads?

I grew up in the 80s 3000 miles from the Pacific and being a "surfer dude" was definitely a way of life that did not involve actual surfing

Yeah, me too! There were surfer dudes at my school in suburban Philly. Though they also went surfing on the shore, as I recall. Still, would surfer dudes also be metalheads but not stoners? Hmm ...

it's definitely cool to see an on screen adaptation of those types where they're actually likeable, idk if I can think of another example quite like it

spicoli ?

valley dudes

Ninja Turtles?

mama's boyz

oh...Ninja Turtles that's a good one

bossa nova!

Chevy nova?

is it weird that i like bogus journey more

(i watched them both for the first time this weekend)

it’s very onbrand for you <3

it really is

Station!

Because these guys talk like surfers/stoners/skaters but aren't any of those things. If anything they're ... metalheads?

Faith No More?

The casting of the two daughters in the new movie is so fucking good, especially brigitte lundy-paine ie Ted’s daughter Billie

her physicality & mannerisms are so hilariously on point and her wardrobe is a fever dream of perfection: rash vest + long shorts (dickies maybe?) with the classic 80’s sunset strip medallion belt & docs = chef’s kiss

i just love her, completely transfixing

i made that very same observation to my wife when we watched this last week. she captures the essence of whoa keanu.

she's great. lil bill was less successful, on both an accent and mannerisms front, though I do like that actress in other stuff.

new movie's thread btw: Come anticipate Bill & Ted 3 aka BILL & TED FACE THE MUSIC with me

Because these guys talk like surfers/stoners/skaters but aren't any of those things. If anything they're ... metalheads?

Faith No More?

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