not gonna act like it's not joan
― FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Wednesday, 27 May 2009 13:01 (fourteen years ago) link
i'd like to see more of pseudo-intellectual poseur paul kinsey
― Michael B, Thursday, May 21, 2009 1:51 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
otm -- also the atlantic-contributin' dude.
― FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Wednesday, 27 May 2009 13:04 (fourteen years ago) link
dig them all but voted for peggy in the end - i pretty much love her interactions with everyone else in the agency.
― Roz, Wednesday, 27 May 2009 13:09 (fourteen years ago) link
So many well crafted characters, I could have made a case for most of them but went for Salvatore in the end. The 'date' with Ken around the dinner table with his wife was fantastically well done.
― Prince of Persia (Ed), Wednesday, 27 May 2009 13:10 (fourteen years ago) link
Oh gosh, Kinsey's play...
It would be nice to see Cosgrove have some kind of backstory, but it'd probably be a bit forced - there's not much to suggest the feller's harbouring any kind of Massive Dark Secrets.
― William Bloody Swygart, Wednesday, 27 May 2009 13:13 (fourteen years ago) link
Peggy, the hero of the show.
― Bathtime at the Apollo (G00blar), Wednesday, 27 May 2009 13:20 (fourteen years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Wednesday, 27 May 2009 23:01 (fourteen years ago) link
thinking with your dicks, ilx?
Well, we can't help it now, can we?
― Subtlest Fart Joke (Oilyrags), Wednesday, 27 May 2009 23:12 (fourteen years ago) link
freddy rumsen was robbed.
― elliot easton ellis (get bent), Wednesday, 27 May 2009 23:18 (fourteen years ago) link
"You want me to show you how it's done?"
― Subtlest Fart Joke (Oilyrags), Wednesday, 27 May 2009 23:22 (fourteen years ago) link
To be fair, Joan is a great character.
― chap, Wednesday, 27 May 2009 23:23 (fourteen years ago) link
"I rewatched S1 recently, and it's interesting that Kinsey is one of the most vocal Nixon supporters in the election episode. Quite a contrast to his civil rights posing in S2.
― chap, Wednesday, May 27, 2009 7:46 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark"
Not that strange at all. Congressional Republicans (pretty much all of them from the North) voted for Civil Rights legislation 2:1 or 3:1 in favor.
― My vagina has a dress code. (milo z), Wednesday, 27 May 2009 23:25 (fourteen years ago) link
She is, and that's third in line after why I voted for her, after face and rack.
xp
― Subtlest Fart Joke (Oilyrags), Wednesday, 27 May 2009 23:26 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah i dont really have a prob w/ joan>roger>don but feel like joan & roger are propped up, so to speak, by gimmicks and don's the better character
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 28 May 2009 04:52 (fourteen years ago) link
hildy 4 life
― zinguist (cozwn), Thursday, 28 May 2009 11:03 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.newenglandfilm.com/files/images/big-crosswinds_0.jpg
― zinguist (cozwn), Thursday, 28 May 2009 11:05 (fourteen years ago) link
Joan's a good character but she's not a patch on Don/Pete/Peggy.
― Tits Bramble (Matt DC), Thursday, 28 May 2009 11:41 (fourteen years ago) link
think ppl voted w/their willys tbf
― zinguist (cozwn), Thursday, 28 May 2009 11:48 (fourteen years ago) link
i literally used my dick to press the keys on the keyboard
― rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Thursday, 28 May 2009 12:04 (fourteen years ago) link
didnt notice this in time but wouldve voted roger - don is sort of the best but he has an unfair advantage
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 28 May 2009 12:11 (fourteen years ago) link
I voted for Roger, but really you could make a case for any of them.
― Hatfail of Hollow (Nicole), Thursday, 28 May 2009 12:17 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm glad Sal got a few votes, surprised he beat Pete though.
― nate woolls, Thursday, 28 May 2009 12:19 (fourteen years ago) link
Pete's a tricky one - very well conceived, but deeply unlikeable. Salvatore's one of the nicer characters, on the other hand.
― chap, Thursday, 28 May 2009 12:22 (fourteen years ago) link
It might be interesting to have a dick for a day, I suppose.
― Madchen, Thursday, 28 May 2009 21:13 (fourteen years ago) link
I still love Roger and Don's conversation over oysters in S1.
Roger: "He was a bold man that first ate an oyster. [Waves oyster around] I believe that was Jonathan Swift." Don: "Are we naming them now?"
Followed by Roger being violently vomitous all over the office carpet.
― James Morrison, Thursday, 28 May 2009 23:18 (fourteen years ago) link
someone lied about voting for harry ohno
― paedo turkoglu (hmmmm), Friday, 29 May 2009 00:20 (fourteen years ago) link
Roger: "He was a bold man that first ate an oyster. [Waves oyster around] I believe that was Jonathan Swift."Don: "Are we naming them now?"
Love it when Don and Roger are just hanging out trying to make each other laugh. Wonder how Layne would fair in an updated poll.
― rhythm fixated member (chap), Sunday, 12 September 2010 17:21 (thirteen years ago) link
I just started watching this show. Yeah, wow, I am completely in love with Joan.
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 1 October 2010 05:34 (thirteen years ago) link
I guess this was taken after Season 2 or 3. I'd like to redo it once 7b finishes. Reasonable choice early on, but I can't see that she'd ever win now, unless the writers are especially kind to her in 7b.
― clemenza, Sunday, 25 January 2015 01:18 (nine years ago) link
I'm sure I'll vote Pete if this comes up again.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 25 January 2015 01:27 (nine years ago) link
I will spearhead the Anybody but Pete faction.
― clemenza, Sunday, 25 January 2015 01:41 (nine years ago) link
I never believed that Pete would be successful in the ad business. he's vile but doesn't seem to have any actual intelligence, talent or nous to make up for that. I just never believed the character at all.
― Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Sunday, 25 January 2015 04:04 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaeZr3HgzX4
― Don A Henley And Get Over It (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 25 January 2015 06:30 (nine years ago) link
I've only seen the first 7 episodes. At this point Joan seems closer to a caricature who's stepped out of How to Succeed in Business without Really Trying than any of the others, what with the swaying walk, Machiavellian juggling of men, etc. I presume there'll be layers later on, fortunately or not.
― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 24 March 2015 14:10 (nine years ago) link
*tiny spoiler*
There's a scene in which she sits in the bed, pulls a bra strap off her shoulder and rubs the welt underneath. Perfectly done, never forgotten it.
― Madchen, Tuesday, 24 March 2015 14:14 (nine years ago) link
btw it was driving me crazy where i've heard Betty's/January Jones' vocal rhythms before, and then it hit me: Shelley Duvall.
― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 24 March 2015 14:22 (nine years ago) link
oh yeah, Robert Morse's scenes are always a treat. And the Wellesian copywriter with the pipe.
― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 24 March 2015 16:15 (nine years ago) link
whoah the Duvall comparison never occurred to me before but that is very true
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 24 March 2015 16:23 (nine years ago) link
really glad you've continued with the show, Morbs
― IHeartMedia, the giant broadcaster formerly known as Clear Channel, (stevie), Tuesday, 24 March 2015 17:24 (nine years ago) link
And the Wellesian copywriter with the pipe.
Kinsey is consistently a hoot
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 24 March 2015 17:26 (nine years ago) link
I'm extremely ambivalent. The production design is the steadiest element, but there's enough wit and desperation, usually.
"Our" Pete Campbell at my first agency was the boss' son. I heard him trying to joke his way through a phone call with his wife in the next cubicle, and ten seconds after his last snorting laugh he quietly hung up, for she had given him The Big Click.
― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 24 March 2015 17:32 (nine years ago) link
Did they have Peggy dally with Pete in s1 (i hope not after) just so we would hate something about her? cuz ewwwww.
― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 19:01 (nine years ago) link
She'll do worse in the coming seasons.
― Don A Henley And Get Over It (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 19:05 (nine years ago) link
that sortas makes me want to abandon it.
since my childhood memories of pop culture wd begin around season 4, i am perversely curious tho. also from what i've heard about Jared Harris (and Zosia Mamet, right?).
― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 19:06 (nine years ago) link
Jared Harris is very good!
― mh, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 19:19 (nine years ago) link
both are v good, Harris has the more substantial part
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 19:19 (nine years ago) link
I wouldn't recommend dropping the show, but WARNING: Peggy's just not good at relationships, and--not to get too spoiler-y--when a seemingly good and lasting one comes along she blows it in spectacular fashion.
― Don A Henley And Get Over It (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 20:12 (nine years ago) link
It's endearing in a strange way.
― Don A Henley And Get Over It (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 20:13 (nine years ago) link
so women CAN'T have it all, eh?
― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 20:24 (nine years ago) link
in this show nobody gets it all
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 20:26 (nine years ago) link
I don't disagree with that at all, but what bothered me about that turn in her arc was that it *was* literal prostitution, with the management as pimps, Jaguar as the john, and Joan as the whore. It was very, very explicit and heavy-handed. Otherwise I thought the show did a really good job of portraying the dynamic you describe.
― Οὖτις, Friday, 12 October 2018 23:21 (five years ago) link
I mean Lane literally calls Pete a "grimy little pimp" a few episodes later, and he is not exaggerating.
I'm actually just finishing up a re-watch of the entire run and frankly the whole thing was kind of incredible from start to finish. There's just nothing close to this well written and performed on tv anymore and I really miss it. Even the often circular plotting (despite the resolution of immediate conflicts no one ever really seems to resolve their central problems nor does that seem like a possibility) starts to seem like a commentary on TV plotting in general as a kind of endless purgatory.
― ryan, Friday, 12 October 2018 23:38 (five years ago) link
Also, I think it's probably important to place that Joan plotline within the context of the firm trying to get their first car account. It's repeatedly noted as a dirty business: "Well, you said you wanted a car."
― ryan, Friday, 12 October 2018 23:47 (five years ago) link
Finished rewatching recently, would not have been a worse show if Don had died in a car crash around the beginning of S4 IMO. Every other character had become so well developed returning to his misery over and over distracted from them.
― louise ck (milo z), Saturday, 13 October 2018 00:10 (five years ago) link
Re Joan being sold and stuff that happens to women generally, I’ve reached the point now where I think, just because it hasn’t been talked about, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. It probably did happen, just women weren’t able to/didn’t want to talk about it publicly. I mean, agents have been letting this happen to actors very recently so why shouldn’t it have happened in other types of job 50 years ago?
― Madchen, Saturday, 13 October 2018 06:24 (five years ago) link
^^^^^
On the other Romanoffs not great so far.
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Saturday, 13 October 2018 11:36 (five years ago) link
it looks/sounds awful
― wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Saturday, 13 October 2018 15:58 (five years ago) link
At the moment, I'd say it's Weiner's 1941, but there six eps left so it may improve?
― Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 13 October 2018 22:33 (five years ago) link
Luckily they're incredibly and pointlessly long
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Sunday, 14 October 2018 00:06 (five years ago) link
I really hated myself by the end of the Corey Stoll ep, and the performances were both pretty good. Eckhart was wooden as usual in the first.
― Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 14 October 2018 00:15 (five years ago) link
is anybody else watching the romanoffs besides you three dudes who hate everything by default
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 14 October 2018 00:21 (five years ago) link
^^Tom's way of saying anyone who doesn't like Top Gear and comic book shite!
― calzino, Sunday, 14 October 2018 00:30 (five years ago) link
I loved Mad Men!
― Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Sunday, 14 October 2018 23:27 (five years ago) link
You're right, you do like some stuff. Simon doesn't though. Chuck likes some stuff - eventually.
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 14 October 2018 23:39 (five years ago) link
Every TV auteur has his John from Cincinnati, etc., etc.
― Pesto Mindset (Eazy), Monday, 15 October 2018 02:42 (five years ago) link
We’re loving The Romanoffs so far. I normally find anthology series insufferable, but here the format holds up. Deserves its own thread, but I’m too tired atm.
― El Tomboto, Monday, 15 October 2018 02:56 (five years ago) link