Katrina's aftermath

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ehh look yall i know this but i still question how crucial it is to post 1000 specific instances of terrorist beheadings trivia and abu ghraib prison rapes and declare them 'most unfun'

3, Tuesday, 30 August 2005 18:42 (eighteen years ago) link

and if you expect to get all your news from ilx dont even talk about american news or any other news source as 'biased'

3, Tuesday, 30 August 2005 18:52 (eighteen years ago) link

haha where did we say we got all our news from ilx?

ian quiche-lorraine (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 18:54 (eighteen years ago) link

it just seems like you really love to revel in disaster porn and its kinda buggin me out

It's a fair assessment. I'd say this, though -- w/r/t Iraq, I find it important to document what is going on, a continuing acknowledgement and bitter, sick anger. There are thousands of people who have died now, our fellow citizens, far more Iraqis, others, and the decisions and mindsets of the people currently in charge of our government are part and parcel in terms of how this will get resolved, what if anything will come of what's been happening now for almost two and a half years. If it is pornography to observe what is being said, how it's being said, where the second thoughts are emerging among that horrific clique of hawks, the emerging sense that 'mistakes were made' -- and that people are dead because of it -- then call it that if you must. But I will watch and I will call attention to it because I want it documented, even in this own small one-person way of mine. We are not living in a cocoon, but I think our government is doing its best to pretend we should. I find that contemptible -- and whatever else I think about it, without pretending I've never used understatement and sarcasm about it all before, I don't find anything at all about Iraq simply 'most unfun.'

As for Katrina, you can call it my realization that this is getting worse all the time. No, I won't be posting about it forever. But it is happening right now, and I admit my attention is on it, and perhaps some of the information might be useful to other folks. Perhaps I am wrong.

Finally, the reason for said BBC 'fetish' is simple -- when 9/11 happened, I realized that CNN and other mainstream American media outlets would swiftly become unwatchable, their sites unreadable. I felt the jingoism coalescing almost immediately. Since that time I rely on the BBC site for basic world news, and while they obviously have their own biases at work which it would be foolish to ignore, I have not chosen to look back.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 18:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Latest from WWLTV.com:

Jeff Parish President. Residents will probably be allowed back in town in a week, with identification only, but only to get essentials and clothing. You will then be asked to leave and not come back for one month.

holy shit.

mike a, Tuesday, 30 August 2005 18:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Apparently, the I-10 bridge is destroyed in "dozens" of sections. Another station broadcast footage of it. WWL is going over there with a helicopter now, so it can be expected that they'll have footage within a couple hours.

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 18:59 (eighteen years ago) link

aight ned, fair enough!! thnx for responding to all that

3, Tuesday, 30 August 2005 19:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Yer welcome. Trust me, these are questions I ask myself as well.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 19:02 (eighteen years ago) link

You know, looting televisions is just plain wrong, but looting a grocery store ... I dunno. Seems like you could be morally excused for that.

http://www.abc-cafe.com/chrisfennessy/images/splash_page/BHH2001.jpg

The Original Jimmy Mod: Kind Warrior (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 19:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Finally, the reason for said BBC 'fetish' is simple -- when 9/11 happened, I realized that CNN and other mainstream American media outlets would swiftly become unwatchable, their sites unreadable. I felt the jingoism coalescing almost immediately.

yes, that's exactly it. it's not snobbishness -- all those cgi american flags and that bombastic music is egregious and nauseating.

ian quiche-lorraine (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 19:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Construction is starting on temporary housing in Texas; it's looking like there will be several refugee camps to house people. I've got my name on the list to go help - my company works as a sub to FEMA on housing and infrastructure (water, sewer, power) - but I won't know for a few days if I'm going.

Jaq (Jaq), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 19:07 (eighteen years ago) link

is

are, i should say.

ian quiche-lorraine (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 19:07 (eighteen years ago) link

For those concerned about Fetchboy, here's an indirect update via nola.com:

There are several reports that the Uptown area remains unflooded, particularly around Magazine and Jefferson (at least to Webster), and along Baronne Street (though it was unclear where on Baronne).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 19:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Hey 3

If you think Ned only dwells on "misery" then you might be dwelling on it yourself. You obviously havent' seen the hundreds of positive and sunny posts that Ned makes all over the place that have nothing to do with death, nor destruction. I should say am most familiar with Ned of ILM, but still.

Thea (Thea), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 19:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes, Jimmy. It is, how you say, the way of the French?

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 19:11 (eighteen years ago) link

hey Jaq, will you take a camera with you? I'd to get an idea of what the process of building a refugee city looks like, if possible.

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 19:11 (eighteen years ago) link

is there some reason why we shouldn't pay a great deal of attention to significant natural events that become 'disaster's because people happen to be in their way? is there something inherently ghoulish about doing so?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 19:12 (eighteen years ago) link

No I don't think so, if it's not ALL one dwells on.

Thea (Thea), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 19:14 (eighteen years ago) link

No I don't think so, if it's not ALL one dwells on.

i'm finding it hard to pay attention to much else.

ian quiche-lorraine (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 19:16 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah i think at some point it becomes ghoulish

3, Tuesday, 30 August 2005 19:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Well then, why don't you just stay off this thread, and do, I don't know, the life-affirming stuff you have to do?

k/l (Ken L), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 19:24 (eighteen years ago) link

why dont you suck a life affirming dick?

3, Tuesday, 30 August 2005 19:28 (eighteen years ago) link

do we still talk about Mt St Helens because 60 people (and 7000 large animals) died or because it was a huge volcanic eruption, and eruptions are cool, or at least compelling? are, for lack of a better word, 'extreme' natural events ghoulish even if they don't cause much or any loss of life?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 19:28 (eighteen years ago) link

to be slightly fair to 3, it's not as if Athens GA is avoiding any of the brunt of this storm, from what I can tell... definitely not the worst, of course... but being anywhere in the southeast can't be fun this week. So people well outside the area obsessed with the coverage can seem, well, a bit odd to people who are having to deal with even some of Katrina, I'd imagine.

I hope Rock Hardy is doing fine.

donut gon' nut (donut), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 19:30 (eighteen years ago) link

although (sorry 3), i wouldn't tell anyone to suck a dick, re: the issue.

donut gon' nut (donut), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 19:32 (eighteen years ago) link

was abu ghraib torturs or the 7/7 bombings 'extreme natural events'?? i dont give a fuck what yall do but the dishonesty of tryna pretend youre any better than fark.com ppl furiously masturbating over nicolas berg tapes cuz you put a frowny face at the end of your posts is bullshit

3, Tuesday, 30 August 2005 19:33 (eighteen years ago) link

btw yeah donut i stay in atlanta now and we got some storms & flooding yesterday but nothing real serious

3, Tuesday, 30 August 2005 19:35 (eighteen years ago) link

what if the dick sucking is an 'extreme natural event'??

3, Tuesday, 30 August 2005 19:35 (eighteen years ago) link

it is when MY dick is involved!

The Original Jimmy Mod: Kind Warrior (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 19:36 (eighteen years ago) link

3, i think a better question than any you've posted would be to ask yourself why you have decided to appoint yourself the arbiter of somebody else's level of compassion.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 19:37 (eighteen years ago) link

OK why the fuck was that tourist ho from Philly STILL IN NEW ORLEANS??? I can understand like actual residents staying behind but a tourist? Why didn't she go back to Philly, like, several days ago when they evacuated? She seriously needs to suck an extreme natural event dick or something for even having the gall to judge, like, even an axe murderer. WHY DO THEY ALWAYS INTERVIEW THE STUPIDEST PEOPLE THEY CAN FIND

god whatever.

Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 19:38 (eighteen years ago) link

but anyway i'd rather read about what's actually happening due to katrina rather than speculation on certain message board poster's motivations.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 19:38 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm not talking about abu ghraib or 7/7 or ned (who posts about everything all the time, obv)

xpost - my impression was that many tourists were unable to leave

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 19:38 (eighteen years ago) link

christ, they've declared martial law.

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 19:38 (eighteen years ago) link

trife's only concern wr2 the new orleans flooding is whether no limit and cash money's offices have survived.

really, if this type of thread bothers you so much, then why post here? yer posts are not constructive AT ALL.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 19:40 (eighteen years ago) link

holy shit, kingfish ...

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 19:40 (eighteen years ago) link

what does posting grotesqueries on an internet messageboard have to do with 'compassion'?? look i really dont give a fuck either way i just asked ned about posting on this shit every time and he responded so its cool now!!

3, Tuesday, 30 August 2005 19:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Fetchboy's a cool guy. I hope he is doing okay.

Yes, I have heard of pizza (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 19:41 (eighteen years ago) link

im not tryna JUDGE ppl or whatever it just seemed like this is the same 'ooh, dead ppl!' bullshit you get from watching local news

3, Tuesday, 30 August 2005 19:42 (eighteen years ago) link

nobody else on the thread seems to have the impression that "this is the same 'ooh, dead ppl!' bullshit you get from watching local news," 3.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 19:43 (eighteen years ago) link

not to play lunch monitor and be all "tsk tsk", but if you guys are gonna argue motivations can you start another thread about it?

ian quiche-lorraine (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 19:44 (eighteen years ago) link

look i really dont give a fuck either way i just asked ned about posting on this shit every time and he responded so its cool now!!

Indeed. So can we move on? Ethan said his piece, I said mine, we know where we stand. (xpost with JBR)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 19:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Why didn't she go back to Philly, like, several days ago when they evacuated?

once their planes were gone, airlines wouldn't fly in cuz they didn't want to get their planes stuck in the aftermath. i'd imagine amtrak and greyhound did something similar. rental cars were probably all gone. and maybe, just maybe, she didn't have several thousand dollars to hire a limo.

my name is john. i reside in chicago. (frankE), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 19:45 (eighteen years ago) link

hstencil i dont run my opinions by the rest of the thread before i post them

xpost THANK YOU NED

3, Tuesday, 30 August 2005 19:46 (eighteen years ago) link

jbr is kinda otm, kinda like how i was hoping there would be like a separate looting motivation thread (tho that seems to have died down). tho i'm not sure that would be needed since like people have y'know liked stealing shit since the idea of property was invented...

xpost - 3 that wasn't exactly what i was saying, but let's drop it anyway. i just wanna hear about what's happening where several of my relatives live.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 19:48 (eighteen years ago) link

is there some reason why we shouldn't pay a great deal of attention to significant natural events that become 'disaster's because people happen to be in their way? is there something inherently ghoulish about doing so?

Like anything, it depends on the context. Video of desperate people and the obligatory "please Mr & Mrs. Survivor tell us how you feel" live cameras are completely inappropriate. However, I'm completely fascinated by the civic infrastructure and logistical aspects of big natural disasters like this. I'm watching these helicopters shots of NOLA and wondering how the hell the city engineer finds even something to start in on.

Yes, it's a desensitizing attitude toward the very real human catastrophe that's going on but what are you going to do? A small disaster is a tragedy, but something on this scale is a statistic - it's almost impossible to get your head about it.

x-post

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 19:50 (eighteen years ago) link

chris otm -- this doesn't even seem real anymore. it's only natural to want to step back and take a macro-view of everything.

ian quiche-lorraine (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 19:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Some pretty important news just announced:

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3:53 P.M. - N.O. Mayor Nagin: Priorities - 1. Rescuing people. 2. Fixing levee breaks. 3. Taking care of refugees in Superdome and hospitals.

3:43 P.M. - Senator Vitter: New Orleans will "absolutely" be rebuilt.

3:25 P.M. - With conditions in the hurricane-ravaged city of New Orleans rapidly deteriorating, Gov. Kathleen Blanco said Tuesday that people now huddled in the Superdome and other rescue centers need to be evacuated.

"The situation is untenable," Blanco said during a news conference. "It's just heartbreaking."

3:15 P.M. - Charity Hospital is out of commission and they are trying to evacuate patients, but it is hard to get there because rising water is surrounding the hospital. They will try to evacuate the patients to other cities.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 19:56 (eighteen years ago) link

"3:43 P.M. - Senator Vitter: New Orleans will "absolutely" be rebuilt."

god, thats just incredible, that this even has to be a talking point, you know?

JD from CDepot, Tuesday, 30 August 2005 19:57 (eighteen years ago) link

What I originally came to post, before I got caught up in the what-have-you is: am I the only one who, in addition to various other thoughts chasing 'round in my head, can't stop thinking about all the various places that I've been to down there that are now under water?

k/l (Ken L), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 19:58 (eighteen years ago) link


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