Taco Bell: Classic or Dud?

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Although in this case, it is. To be honest, I haven't eaten there in over a decade (maybe two). But even when I was in college Jack In the Box made better tacos.

nickn (nickn), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 06:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

where the hell is Alan Trewartha?

M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 06:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

Taco Bell gives me the green apple quick step.

Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 10:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm not so sure about that. First off you have the Taco Bell flour tortilla, which at the moment of contact with your saliva instantly transforms into an intensely adhesive paste that you end up having to scrape off the roof of your mouth. Then you have the "cheese", which wouldn't melt in a blast furnace. I could go on.

You forgot to talk about the quality ingredients in actual Tex-Mex food, i.e., Taco Bell actually does a pretty good job matching the lard and grade-C meat criteria.

dleone (dleone), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 12:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

(of course, Taco Bell is in a class of its own -- Tex Mess?)

dleone (dleone), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 12:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

Real Tex-Mex may not be any healthier than TB, but it sure as heck tastes better. There is a difference between reheating a freeze-dried bag of industrial-grade refried beans in a microwave oven versus stewing pinto beans for hours in a big stockpot with real ham hocks and then refrying them in a skillet with fresh bacon grease.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 13:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

DUDE I NEVER KNEW THAT FAST FOOD WAS PREPARED IN A SUB PAR MANNER


WOW THIS IS AMAZING

Jon Williams (ex machina), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 13:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

I wouldn't say all fast food is sub-par. For instance, I think it would be hard to get better french fries than the ones you get at McDonald's when they're fresh out of the deep fryer. There are also Mexican fast food chains that do a lot better than TB - for example, here in NYC there is a chain called San Loco which is Mexican fast food, but it kicks TB's butt up and down the block.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 13:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

No, it's Tech Mex - the computer support worker's Breakfast of Champions. And the one time ever my mum smoked a spliff, she showed up at a TB drive-through with $10 and her order was 'surprise me'. She thought she was unaffected by the pot-smoking until I clued her in years later about the munchies.

Now, the quality of TB may have sharply declined since I left the States but I REALLY LOVE IT. Fast food tends to be shittier in the cities on the coasts generally, seen as fit only for junkies, but in the middle it's better and seems hella fresher. TB and Wendy's do the best junk food, America-wise, and I say this having chef skillz in Mexican food and and a first job at a PROPER DRUGSTORE SODA FOUNTAIN where I would make killer burgers. The one time in my life where I was rendered psychologically unable to eat (bereavement) ended in front of two orders of TB chicken fajitas (we were on our way to the State Fair, where it was hoped fried things on sticks would cure my refusal to eat). Obviously, things like PARENTALLY-PURCHASED pot(!), steak, Vietnamese food etc. had failed and it was time to call in the big guns.

suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 13:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

HAM HOCKS!

Top notch!

I want one.

Sarah (starry), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 13:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

First of all Nate, are you really going to argue that Taco Bell tastes worse than Tex-Mex? If so, I agree with you (assuming I'm at a decent place -- to be honest, I'd rather eat TB than Ojeda's near my house). However, it seems to me that this is only an issue of "taste" rather than how they prepare the stuff, or the quality of the ingredients.

dleone (dleone), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 14:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

This is slightly off-topic, but I should point out that Burger King's tacos (2 for $.99) are the most depressing things ever. Sad, soggy taco shells (probably microwaved) filled with a dubious meat/bean paste, with a slice of cheese originally intended for a burger. Avoid, unless you like sadness.

I'm partial to the massive Grilled Stuft Burrito - that mofo weighs like ONE POUND. Also, I miss the awful Taco Bell commercials, especially the one with the enthusiastic man playing a piano on a flatbed trailer, hurtling down the highway, singing the praises of "59 / 79 / 99." The "let's rearrange ingredients to make a ostensibly new menu item" strategy is getting ridiculous. Well, actually, I like the double-decker taco, but the cheesy gordita crunch just has a weird, unpleasant texture. I can imagine their next monstrosity, possibly involving a chalupa shell, a gordita shell, a soft taco tortilla, a hard taco shell, an insane amount of cheese, and the option to get sour cream, guacamole, or an angioplasty.

How about Del Taco? I fondly remember their "$.39 Taco Sunday" (and this was only like three years ago). Or Mighty Taco (is this just an upstate NY establishment?)?

Ernest P. (ernestp), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 14:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

How the hell are you supposed to eat a taco w/o breaking the shell and spilling things everywhere (I admit this is half of the fun).

Perhaps I should stop via the supermarket and get guacamole. Actually I must get washing powder anyway so HOORAY for my skills of thinking.

Sigh I wonder if I will brave THE TUNNEL tonight.

Sarah (starry), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 14:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

If you go to the right Tex-Mex restaurant, Taco Hell will seem absolutely beyond nauseating in comparison.

I've tried to eat Taco Bell food. Every time I do, however, I end up throwing it up. It is vile and disgusting and I do not think it's in any way good. In fact, even the thought of it makes me turn my stomach.

Around where I live, there's a great Tex-Mex restaurant (that's part of a local chain) called Las Palapas. The best chicken fajitas within a five-mile radius of my home, plus the potato & egg [breakfast] tacos are really delish. It's really amazing. Also, if I'm feeling up to it, I take the fifteen-mile drive over to the other side of town to this one Tex-Mex place called Eddie's that makes these amazing soft rolled chicken tacos that have this yummy tomato-based sauce on top and, in a pleasant surprise, no grease whatsoever. I think they use only minute amounts of oil in everything they make, because they know how to use their spices.

Real Mexican food, however, is supposed to be much lighter and not involve nearly as much grease as Tex-Mex. I've been to several real Mexican food restaurants, one of which was a seafood place, and all of them are really nice and refreshing. Chicken mole [moh-leh, not mol] and grilled fish with lime and cilantro are two of my personal favorites. And forget about the refried beans -- borracho ("drunk") beans are waaaaaay better, and done absolutely wonderfully at proper Mexican restaurants.

Hmmm. Now I'm hungry. I want soft rolled chicken tacos now.

Dee the Semi-Lurker (Dee the Lurker), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

However, it seems to me that this is only an issue of "taste" rather than how they prepare the stuff, or the quality of the ingredients

I don't see how you can separate the two. The reason something tastes better is because of the quality of the ingredients and how they were prepared, isn't it? I've eaten plenty of Taco Bell (and Del Taco) in my day, so I know that of which I speak - and to be perfectly frank, there are still even rare occasions today when I will crave one of their tacos (and usually end up regretting it later) - but I really can't get on board the "Taco Bell = good Tex Mex" train.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

Taco Bell = gross. I can eat one bean burrito and think it's pretty good, but if I eat a second one I start to realize how disgusting it is.
The best Tex Mex restaurant in Richmond is owned by a Greek couple. It's so good, they've got these potato and cheese quesedillas that are so aaarrrgghhtararghah...

NA. (Nick A.), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oh man I can make Brians potato tacos!! They aare GRATE! Taco tastic! I'm off for guacamole and washing powder, EE-URP!

Sarah (starry), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

I agree with That Girl's comment about Taco Bell being perfectly good fast food, an entity unto itself that shouldn't be compared to actual Mex or Tex-Mex food, or even the kind of Tex-Mex fast food you can get in urban areas.

I'm a bit of a food snob. I've had some really good, high-quality Mex/Tex-Mex meals, and I can tell you all about them. But I enjoy a burrito from Taco Bell every now and again. Does that make me a philistine?

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

I don't see how you can separate the two.

Apparently you don't live in the south. It seems like most of the best stuff here, from Tex Mex, to gumbo to fried chicken, is just food people made from whatever was around. I think equating the quality of the ingredients to good taste is like equating the quality of a guitar to a good song -- I figure it's mostly a matter of who's doing the preparing, and who's on the receiving end.

dleone (dleone), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

when i was in high school, i ate taco bell way too frequently.

friday night nerd night for john fail involved going to taco bell and getting a chili cheese burrito (originally called the chilito, but renamed due to an unfortunately slang term for 'small penis'), big beef meximelt, or tostada.

when i turned vegetarian at age 16 i continued to go to taco bell, getting soft tacos with beans, baja gorditas with beans, and tostadas. i quit eating at taco bell about the time the chalupa came out. it disgusted me so much, and made me open my eyes to how disgusting the food was. the chalupa tasted like a burrito inside a donut, and what also pissed me off was how the gordita shells changed after the chalupa was introduced. fuck you pepsico.

sometime last year i had a 7 layer burrito because a friend was going through drive through and i thought 'what the hell'. it was my first taco bell in at least two years, and it was fucking nasty.

there's a weird taco bell knockoff called Taco Maker Express. there's one in breezewood, PA (town of motels) and i always stop there on road trips. it's actually worse than taco bell, but it's this weird novelty to me. the burritos have some special "salsa" or sauce that tastes basically like ketchup. their mascot is named Taco the Cat. they have a thing called a Taco Burger. and tater-tots!

j fail (cenotaph), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

Dleone, I think we're talking at cross-purposes here. I agree that great food can be made from very inexpensive ingredients. Certainly there is an art form involved here. That's why I said the quality of the food depends on TWO factors: the quality of the ingredients AND how they are prepared. The second factor sometimes supercedes the first. I think there is less disagreement between our two positions than it may seem.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think my position on the matter is this: a third factor, that of what you expect, and what you already like, is perhaps the most important (and probably the reason I can't stand an immaculately prepared bowl of Chinese bitter-mellon caserole). Furthermore, only snobs don't like Taco Bell. :p

dleone (dleone), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm trying to distinguish food that I like from food that I actually think is good (shades of deja vu here, we've had this discussion at length over on ILM, except pertaining to music instead of food). But if being a snob is the price I have to pay for thinking that TB is not good food, then so be it - my stomach will still thank me.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

So when do we get a crummy third-rate version of Thai food in a drive-thru fast-food setting!?!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yeah, I think that argument goes over better with music. I can see a "food that is good for me" vs "food that I like", but am definitely the type that says good=favorite with food. Not that TB as a particular fave mind you, but I would have no problem choosing cheese grits over a gourmet souflee or whatever.

dleone (dleone), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

So when do we get a crummy third-rate version of Thai food in a drive-thru fast-food setting!?!

We already have that here! Almost.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

Taco Bell yucky. Anna's Taqueria in Brighton = Brilliance.

Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

Here's the blurb on San Loco from the Top 100 Latin Restaurants issue of the Village Voice:

39. San Loco
There's nothing "authentic" about this East Village favorite, like a hippie dreaming of Mexican food. Corn and flour tortillas met for the first time in their taco loco, married by refried beans, inspiring Taco Bell's rip-off. The beef enchiladas and fish tacos are also great, especially swabbed with Stupid, the very hottest salsa.

Notice that Taco Bell did not place.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

What's your point?

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 18:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

Gee, you Taco Bell fans are getting a bit touchy. I was just offering a comparison to show that fast food Mexican can be done right.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 18:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

Taco Bell yucky. Anna's Taqueria in Brighton = Brilliance.

I've been there! It's the only place on the east coast I've ever had a remotely good burrito. The worst was in New York, at a place promising "San Francisco, Mission-style" burritos; which they were somehow trying to do without offering pork or anything other than black beans. Fucking terrible!

Kris (aqueduct), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 18:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oh, I like Taco Bell.

Kris (aqueduct), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 18:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

Del Taco is better and cheaper though. Their strawberry shakes are particularly great.

Kris (aqueduct), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 18:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

Gee, you Taco Bell fans are getting a bit touchy. I was just offering a comparison to show that fast food Mexican can be done right.

I know it can be done "right" -- but I like Taco Bell!!

(Del Taco was gross the one time I had it.)

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 18:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

This argt is the culinary equivalent of the Norah Jones thread.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 18:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

pittsburgher, please patronize Taco Loco on E. Carson St. it's amazing and very authentic - no burritos!

in texas last month i saw a lot of Taco Buenos - is that any better than taco bell?

j fail (cenotaph), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 18:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

When I was in college, we graduated to Taco Cabana, which doesn't really taste all that great, but did serve margaritas until 2am. However, I think there is a longstanding bias against fast food. When I look in the papers here at the restaurant section, there isn't a single fast food place that gets more than 3 stars. Not a single one! Yet, there's a godawful "authentic" Chinese place that gets 4 stars for nothing more that I can tell than having pretty wallpaper.

dleone (dleone), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 18:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

"authentic mexican food" : tacos & burritos :: l. r0n hubb@rd : cosmology

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 20:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

hey mr. dj flip and reverse that last part

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 20:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

gwai lo bao la

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 20:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

What do you all think of El Pollo Loco?

I am in love with Suzy now thanks to her post on this thread.

amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 20:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

El Pollo Loco is OK and if there's nothing else in the vicinity I'll give it a whirl. There's a couple of other chicken chains here in LA I prefer: Zankou Chicken (amazing Armenian-style rottisserie chicken with garlic sauce) and Koo Koo Roo (an upscale Pollo Loco that's a couple dollars more expensive but with dramatically better food)

Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 21:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

El Pollo Loco is awesome. That would be one of the Southern California fast food options that I miss the most out East, maybe second only to In-N-Out Burger.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 21:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

In-N-Out Burger

It only makes sense to have this chain in the ponography capital of the United States.

amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 21:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think it would be hard to get better french fries than the ones you get at McDonald's when they're fresh out of the deep fryer.

YOU. ARE. INSANE. Eww. They're so greasy and mushy. No way they can compare to some decent sit-down restaurant ones.

buttch (Oops), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 21:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

is the green burrito still around?

el pollo loco loses MAJOR hps (2d20+6) for no refried beans.

San Diego has the -berto's/-berta's family of mex-am chains... 3 rolled tacos with guacamole at 3am after a particularly draining physics lab was my pallid "real genius" episode.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 21:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

I never ate at Taco Bell in HS or college. I was living at home and/or always had other means available for stuffing my face. I was a picky indie elitist in college. They did have this one neighborhood joint called Bandito Burrito which was staffed with all the pierced tattooed punk rockers from my high school and served Jarrito's sodas as well as cold beer. I think they have rock shows there now once in a while. Whatever. Point is I used to be too good to eat Taco Bell.

Having joined the AF, however, and been privy to the joys of chow hall cuisine, I now find Taco Bell to be a welcome change of pace whenever I find myself in a position to grab three gorditas and whatever's new on the menu plus maybe a crispy taco or two and no I don't want a fucking Coke with that I have Miller High Life at home. I must admit that there are times when I find that nothing else but Taco Bell will hit the spot. That shit be quintessential to the American life. I bet Madonna hates Taco Bell. Well Madonna can stuff a baja chalupa all up in her ass.

Millar (Millar), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 21:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

Done.

Madonna (Oops), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 21:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

is the green burrito still around?

Bought out by Carl's Jr. That should tell you all you need to know.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 21:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

Dleone, you'd take TB over Ojedas?!? Are you insane?!?

That Girl (thatgirl), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 22:13 (twenty-one years ago) link


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