A thread for the Cure reissues

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i'd like to purchase all 4 tomorrow, but i don't think i can spend that much money right now. i might pick up the glove or THOTD.

Christopher Costello (CGC), Monday, 7 August 2006 20:50 (seventeen years ago) link

The demos on the second disc with Robert singing are entertaining as shit. They're of a much higher quality that the home demos on the first four, though they still sound like demos - the drum machine is way high in the mix and Robert's not trying too too hard. But still... miles above some of the shite on the first batch. Haven't made it to the outtakes yet, but this bodes well for round two's demos... better equipment I imagine.

Mallory L . O'Donnell (That Bitch Camille), Monday, 7 August 2006 22:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Gah!

It's not immediately apparent that I'm talking about the Glove reissue. Haven't heard the others yet.

Mallory L . O'Donnell (That Bitch Camille), Monday, 7 August 2006 22:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Already, got all four.

Now i want those Disintegration, Wish, Wild Mood Swings, and Bloodflowers reissues now dammit... sigh, they're probably going to make us wait until December... of 2007.

dottie nuttie dach nach dtnt hhhhhhhh (donut), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 06:56 (seventeen years ago) link

maybe in the gap we can get CURIOSITY REDUX AAARRRGGH

kit (kit brash), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 09:26 (seventeen years ago) link

The hard-core lithium test will be to see who'll be getting the deluxe wild mood swings...

Das Spiel ist aus für Baaderonixx (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 09:30 (seventeen years ago) link

*impatiently tapping fingers on desk, waiting for the post to deliver all of them, which I pre-ordered...*

BlastsOfStatic (BlastsofStatic), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 16:49 (seventeen years ago) link

they should redo the cover art for the bloodflowers reissue, I might like it better.

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 8 August 2006 17:41 (seventeen years ago) link

THE GLOVE BONUS DISC IS SO FUCKING AWESOME OMG

Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 17:44 (seventeen years ago) link

*cries*

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 17:52 (seventeen years ago) link

I got all four sets this AM. It's sort of overwhelming. Overwhelmingly awesome... Did Head On The Door before lunch, just finishing The Top now. Saving the rest for tomorrow.

BlastsOfStatic (BlastsofStatic), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 18:20 (seventeen years ago) link

I still can't believe the local Best Buy doesn't have these at all. I'm going to see for myself tonight.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 9 August 2006 18:28 (seventeen years ago) link

According to the guy I talked to at my second Best Buy of the day, they aren't even planning on ordering them. None of the Chicago area stores even had them on the radar.

Finally found them at Border's.

jonviachicago (jonviachicago), Thursday, 10 August 2006 02:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Really? Even the mall Wherehouse Music down here in the ass-end of Alabama had all four, even the Glove album.

Telephonething (Telephonething), Thursday, 10 August 2006 02:26 (seventeen years ago) link

i haven't been able to find any either. weeeeeird.

Christopher Costello (CGC), Thursday, 10 August 2006 02:34 (seventeen years ago) link

I HAVE ALL FOUR OF THEM NYAH NYAH

Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Thursday, 10 August 2006 02:36 (seventeen years ago) link

And fuck you too. Actually I did swing by my Best Buy tonight and their lying website aside, they DID have what I most specifically wanted, the Glove and The Top, so all is well. Tomorrow I'll get Kiss Me from the UCI-area store and order Head on the Door through them, so all is well.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 10 August 2006 02:52 (seventeen years ago) link

All is DOUBLY well, even.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 10 August 2006 02:52 (seventeen years ago) link

You want to hold me closer
And secretly entice
You take the size of shadowed men
And punish me with kisses every night

I do love this band. (And this side project.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 10 August 2006 03:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Amoeba here I come, will have these by saturday. I'm so excited.

BeeOK (boo radley), Thursday, 10 August 2006 04:25 (seventeen years ago) link

One more week to wait for us ol' Europeans...

Baaderonixx: the lost ILX years (baaderonixx), Thursday, 10 August 2006 07:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Okay, had "Push" been the instrumental demo version instead of what it ended up being, I would have liked it.

Also how awesome is "Innsbruck"?

Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Thursday, 10 August 2006 18:07 (seventeen years ago) link

LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU. (That's the one I don't have yet -- just snagged Kiss Me, though. Will get my copy of Head on the Door on Tuesday.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 10 August 2006 18:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Is the title track from The Top still as creepily awesome as I remember it?

Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Thursday, 10 August 2006 18:25 (seventeen years ago) link

You tell us.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 10 August 2006 18:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Does this mean I have to go out and buy all the re-issues too? *sigh* Very well.

(I'm assuming yes, right?)

Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Thursday, 10 August 2006 18:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes.

Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Thursday, 10 August 2006 18:30 (seventeen years ago) link

the demos and live tracks on this round are a bit dull, I'm sorry to say (didn't get the Glove though). but the albums do sound better, especially head on the door; and it's great to have Hey You!!! back.

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 10 August 2006 18:36 (seventeen years ago) link

i was only going to get the top at work last night, but i ended up buying all three of the new cure ones. atavistic teenage impulse.

because i'm awesome, the first thing i did was tear open the head on the door and play the push demo.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Thursday, 10 August 2006 18:38 (seventeen years ago) link

The HOTD demos are fucking awesome!!!! Also Blue Sunshine pwns everything.

Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Thursday, 10 August 2006 18:43 (seventeen years ago) link

And of course I'm already impatient for the next batch. (I figure Disintegration, Mixed Up and Wish, which would leave Wild Mood Swings and Bloodflowers to polish it off.)

Also Blue Sunshine pwns everything.

Yes indeed, yes yes.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 10 August 2006 18:43 (seventeen years ago) link

my logic was unassailable... i couldn't decide between the top and head on the door, so i bought all three.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Thursday, 10 August 2006 18:46 (seventeen years ago) link

I doubt they'll do Mixed up, it'll probably be Disintegration, Wish, WMS, and Bloodflowers, no?

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 10 August 2006 18:49 (seventeen years ago) link

and there is going to be some other kind of hits package, right? because otherwise Killing an Arab still vanishes into the wasteland

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 10 August 2006 18:52 (seventeen years ago) link

I doubt they'll do Mixed up

Are you nuts? They will so too do it, not least because there are plenty of other of uncollected remixes floating around. Plus, the extended version of "Never Enough."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 10 August 2006 18:53 (seventeen years ago) link

They didn't put "Primary (Red Mix)" on Join The Dots, right? Or "Let's Go To Bed (Milk Mix)"?

Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Thursday, 10 August 2006 20:07 (seventeen years ago) link

they didn't do Japanese Whispers, so I'm gonna be pissed if lousy Mixed Up gets this remaster treatment and I have to buy shitty old comps for the miscellaneous and conspicuously absent songs like The Walk and Killing an Arab

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 10 August 2006 20:11 (seventeen years ago) link

They didn't put "Primary (Red Mix)" on Join The Dots, right? Or "Let's Go To Bed (Milk Mix)"?

Neither nor. There's also at least one alternate 12" mix from the Faith/Pornography days that was never collected, as well as the myriad of mixes from Wish onward, only some of which are on Join the Dots.

I'm gonna be pissed if lousy Mixed Up gets this remaster treatment and I have to buy shitty old comps for the miscellaneous and conspicuously absent songs like The Walk and Killing an Arab

The Greatest Hits comp which has the Japanese Whispers stuff on it is only a couple of years old. As for "Killing an Arab," it's almost like I don't ever need to hear it again, frankly.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 10 August 2006 20:18 (seventeen years ago) link

i think they're planning to release a 2-CD killing an arab set with the original song and 37 alternate mixes, demos and live versions.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Thursday, 10 August 2006 20:26 (seventeen years ago) link

good

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 10 August 2006 20:27 (seventeen years ago) link

So how many times have you bought these albums, now that you're getting the reissues? This will be my 2nd Blue Sunshine (vinyl + remaster), my 3rd Top (cassette, CD, remaster), 3rd Head On The Door (cassette, CD, remaster), and 4th Kiss Me (2 cassettes, CD, remaster)!!!

I think I'm gonna buy Kiss Me first, I've lost the CD a long time ago and was waiting for the reissues to buy it again. I don't think I can wait too long to get Blue Sunshine either, the bonus disc looks too good to be true!

LeRooLeRoo (Seb), Thursday, 10 August 2006 20:30 (seventeen years ago) link

second time for all of them except for the Top which I had on vinyl, so, third.

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 10 August 2006 20:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Second for all of them -- I only ever owned them on CD. (I actually ripped and sold them all back around when Join the Dots came out as incentive -- and interestingly I never felt the need to listen to the mp3s again, just been content to wait. So I gave the mp3 discs I made to a student worker of mine who wanted to know more about 'em.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 10 August 2006 20:38 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm surprised Ned! I thought you'd been listening to The Cure since way before CD's were available!

LeRooLeRoo (Seb), Thursday, 10 August 2006 21:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Hmm, when DID I first hear about the Cure? It actually would have been 10th or 11th grade -- 1986 or so. We read The Stranger in class, and someone said, "Hey, you know, there's this song..." I remember "Just Like Heaven" being all over the radio in 1987, but I didn't start picking up their stuff until Disintegration came out -- then I was off to the races.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 10 August 2006 21:42 (seventeen years ago) link

My first Cure album was Pornography, which my father played to me in the car aged about 7 or 8. It was alongside XTC's Nonsuch and Pink Floyd's Ummagumma my initiation into popular music, and at the time I was entranced by the rhythm, melody and sheer cavernous sound of the whole thing. Its 'doom' and even 'unlistenability' never even registered; this was pop music as I knew it (and still do). One of the most important features of my musical upbringing, it still does the business today, albeit with its significance brought into sharper focus, although lines like 'the old man cracks with age' and 'I could lose myself in Chinese art and American girls' and 'Into the room, is it always like this?' and 'Static white sound' held a strongly poetic and wonderful meaning even way back when. It doesn't make me depressed, it makes me think 'Awesome!', like all the best albums do.

Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Thursday, 10 August 2006 21:55 (seventeen years ago) link

The Cure might have been a bit more mainstream here in Québec than in the States. I remember "Inbetween Days" and "Close To Me" being huge hits. Didn't hurt that my older brother had The Head On The Door too. The first one I bought was the Standing On A Beach cassette with the unavailable B-Sides in 8th grade, so I had heard "Killing An Arab before we read L'Étranger in 9th grade (which I loved!)

LeRooLeRoo (Seb), Thursday, 10 August 2006 22:01 (seventeen years ago) link

i used my cure money to buy dead rising...
i like hitting zombies with a sledgehammer.

Christopher Costello (CGC), Thursday, 10 August 2006 22:06 (seventeen years ago) link

2nd time for Three Imaginary Boys, Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Blue Sunshine
3rd time for Seventeen Seconds, Faith, Pornography, The Top, The Head On The Door

Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Thursday, 10 August 2006 22:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Okay, in keeping with way earlier entries, here goes my sweetly obsessive track-by-track breakdown of all the bonus cuts, so starting with the Glove and all the Robert-sung songs (at last!):

"Like An Animal" -- lighter arrangement (acoustic guitar, drum machine, soft keyboard)...whoa, what's surprising is thinking how he could have recorded this almost yesterday! He sounds very fresh, for lack of a better word, and the feeling is very much like the sprightlier Cure songs around 2002. Great to hear, love the way he twists the chorus.

"Looking Glass Girl" -- way murkier instrumental mix, vocals a lot more clear in comparison, the descending sparkles in the full version are here represented by wordless vocal sighs...once again, I'm struck by how *modern* this all sounds. Another winning vocal from Robert.

"Sex-Eye-Make-Up" -- not as detailed, more prominent beats, less queasy on the face of it. Lots of echo on Robert's vocals, feels more like a rougher demo than the previous two but still a sharp performance; he goes much quieter on the repeat of the first verse, which becomes more fragmentary in the end.

"Mr. Alphabet Says" -- much different instrumental mix in comparison to the final arrangement...prominent beats, keyboard in place of the strings, very upfront bass, only the piano part is relatively unchanged and it's more buried. More forceful delivery of the lyric, less resigned, he does his 'screw up the vocal like you were screwing up your face' trick in the chorus. Neat!

"A Blues in Drag" -- musically fairly similar to the final version, less prominent piano but it's still there as is the core bassline. The short lyric is delivered extremely slowly, swathed in a lot of reverb -- interesting to hear it but I definitely think it works more as an instrumental, if only due to familiarity.

"Punish Me With Kisses" -- different mix of the same core instruments and arrangements but otherwise pretty similar, so it's down to the singing as the key difference. Very proto-Head on the Door/Kiss Me as a result, has the same more 'direct' feeling as the alternate "Mr. Alphabet Says."

"This Green City" -- less detailed and lush instrumentally, key guitar line more prominent, more calmly moody but still very brisk in pace. Robert's vocals wordlessly swirl about for a bit before formally starting, does a really striking job on the chorus in particular.

"Orgy" -- again, much more prominent beats in comparison, the violins are still there but it's guitar rather than flute with the main riff. More racked singing than the album version, especially interesting to hear it on the chorus. Good version, like it a lot.

"Perfect Murder" -- generally close to the final version in the music, though the keyboards have more treble and drone (at the same time). Like "Mr. Alphabet Says," much more upfront/immediate vocals here in comparison to the final take.

"Relax" -- near the final mix musically, very queasy and all, but a bit lighter in feeling. Robert's vocals appear as vocal shades and textures throughout the song, which seems to suit it very well, much more so than a formal lyric.

"The Man from Nowhere" -- a different, I think slightly-longer mix from the released-as-B-side version, a touch tinnier sounding perhaps but still good fun. It was nice finally hearing this song in full after all this time!

"Mouth to Mouth" -- more compressed sound in comparison to the final version, very moody even for the Glove and reminds me a bit of late Soft Cell/early Marc Almond as a result. One of Robert's higher/slightly more aggro vocal takes -- it's interesting to hear how many of the demos had that quality. Like the murk added to the 'million fat girls' part.

"Opened the Box (A Waltz)" -- the first flat out rarity, and it is indeed a waltz, though I recognize a slightly different version of the "Mr. Alphabet Says" melody lurking in the keyboard part, so I'm guessing this is a prototypical version of that in the end. Vocals murky and fragmentary, I'd guess he sung it off the top of his head; not very long in the end.

"The Tightrope (Almost Time)" -- pretty close to the final version instrumentally, same distorted percussion start and weird/pretty lead melody and etc. The vocal part is more developed than "Opened the Box" but similarly seems a bit raw, though maybe it's just my unfamiliarity. Almost suggests what would eventually happen with "The Top."

"And All Around Us the Mermaids Sing (aka Torment)" -- surfy/Spanish guitar part, big drum machine punch, nagging little keyboard line, dreamy lyric delivery though still spiked with urgency along the way...doesn't immediately seem to be the root of any other song. Nice chorus, at once smooth and unsettling, and a surprisingly uplifting break.

"Holiday 80" -- goofy little organ/beat box number, fun enough sketch of a song that didn't get taken further from what I can tell.

And there you go...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 11 August 2006 05:07 (seventeen years ago) link


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