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Tourist hatred is also really, really boring. Like excrutiatingly boring.

― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:02 (nineteen years ago) link

"Know who else is tough and proud? Cowboys. This is Wyoming."

COWBOYS AREN'T DEAD!!!

― Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:02 (nineteen years ago) link

"Excuse me, but where is the Ford Theatre?"

― Allyzay Subservient 50s-Type (allyzay), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:03 (nineteen years ago) link

mmmm jackson heights

xpost cowboys are ok. the west is ok. it doesn't all look like that. sometimes it's very plain and dirty and ugly.

― jody von oy (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Whatever Tombot, you're such a New Yorker in attitude alone. Don't even fight it. *one of us, one of us, one of us*

― Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:04 (nineteen years ago) link

new york would be perfect, except that it's full of new yorkers!

(yet another cliche!!)

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Wyoming is beautiful. New York is beautiful.

Everybody get a grip, pls.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:06 (nineteen years ago) link

One thing I don't get is the "Jersey driver" epithet. NYC drivers are BY FAR the worst.

― Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, and I think a trip to the zoo is definitely in order.

― CONGO GORILLA FOREST!!! (Jeanne Fury), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Most of NYC is dirty and ugly, don't know about plain.

I will fully support any hate for Washington DC, but I dunno if I'd rather live in Boston by any means. That's a little extreme. I am pretty sure I would hate the general population of Boston even more than I hate the general population of DC.

What the fuck do I know, I'm from Alabama. Is anybody posting on this thread anymore besides NYers, NJers, and me?

― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:08 (nineteen years ago) link

TOMBOT! You've got a wheel in the ditch, and a wheel on the track.

― Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:08 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, over here in NJ we make fun of (and curse out) NY drivers all the time.

though to be fair, boston drivers are even WORSE.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:09 (nineteen years ago) link

and yeah I've been a "New Yorker" in attitude for most of my life apparently but that doesn't mean I find one variety of "hometown pride" any less sickening than another.

― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:10 (nineteen years ago) link

you know what's nice though? flagstaff, az. it's not like, all beige and shit. there are trees. i would move there.

― jody von oy (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:10 (nineteen years ago) link

TOMBOT - I am from Kentucky, I have also lived in Alabama, Texas, and Illinois.

If you don't like where you are, it's YOU that's the problem, not the place.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:10 (nineteen years ago) link

My misanthropy is so unfocused

― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:10 (nineteen years ago) link

It's my favourite place in teh ever, but the payphones are crappy.

And everybody always unites together to help Spider-Man. I love when that happens.

― Suedey (John Cei Douglas), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:11 (nineteen years ago) link

My main complaint about NYC is that I can't afford it. At least in Philadelphia, it's easier to be a broke-ass. If I could have figured out a way to work and live in NYC, I would have moved there years ago. But I second the person upthread who complained about people moving there from shitty little towns and then making fun of New Jersey. (Though I make fun of people from New Jersey all the time who come to Philadelphia on the weekends and clog up Old City and South Street and commit many aesthetic crimes).

This is also an x-post by the way. If you're a native New Yorker fine, but don't make fun of Philadelphia if you're a New Yorker who moved from a crappier city or town than mine.

― Sara Sherr, Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:11 (nineteen years ago) link

i also wonder aloud why so many NYCers MISS the old days of subway muggings, junkies and bums in the parks (esp. tompkins square and bryant square parks), homeless people and crackheads spitting at and cussing out people who wouldn't give them spare change w/ complete impunity, kiddie porn/prostitution in times square. who needs "character" and "cool" like that?!?

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:13 (nineteen years ago) link

there is nothing wrong with any city in the united states. except for cincinatti, that town sucks hairy balls.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:14 (nineteen years ago) link

If you're a native New Yorker fine, but don't make fun of Philadelphia if you're a New Yorker who moved from a crappier city or town than mine.

amen!

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:15 (nineteen years ago) link

But I second the person upthread who complained about people moving there from shitty little towns and then making fun of New Jersey. (Though I make fun of people from New Jersey all the time who come to Philadelphia on the weekends and clog up Old City and South Street and commit many aesthetic crimes).

Haha, but Sara, those are SOUTH Jersey-folk. Even people from New Jersey make fun of them.

― Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:16 (nineteen years ago) link

cincinatti's actually pretty, i should say, but still, if you're there, pls move.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:17 (nineteen years ago) link

who needs "character" and "cool" like that?!?

i miss graffiti! that's an okay thing to miss, right?

― jody von oy (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:17 (nineteen years ago) link

even connecticut has graffiti.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:18 (nineteen years ago) link

and eisbär, who are these "so many nyc-ers"? i've never met any.

― jody von oy (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Hurting OTM. South Jersey is so not even part of Jersey.

― County of Bergen REPRAZENT (Jeanne Fury), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:19 (nineteen years ago) link

South Jersey is so not even part of Jersey.

??????????????????????????

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:21 (nineteen years ago) link

I've got a 14-year old cousin from Florida who wants to come to NYC to see the graffiti.

― 57 7th (calstars), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:21 (nineteen years ago) link

cherry hill is pretty nice!!!

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:21 (nineteen years ago) link

"You mess with one of us you mess with all of us! GO GET HIM SPIDEY!"

― Suedey (John Cei Douglas), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:22 (nineteen years ago) link

http://theshadowlands.net/jd6.gif

― Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:22 (nineteen years ago) link

i think eisbar is otm about the glorification of the bad old days. if i had a nickel for every time someone complained about the soullessness of present-day nyc while strolling down a busy avenue lined with businesses that even 8 years ago was a junked-out no-go zone then i could have bought myself a mcmansion in connecticut.

― lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:22 (nineteen years ago) link

cherry hill has a really good diner. there's not much else there.

― jody von oy (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:23 (nineteen years ago) link

For reals! South Jersey might as well be another state. No hateration, just facts.

― Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:24 (nineteen years ago) link

i dunno lauren, there's a difference between "soul" and crackhouses. there can be stuff in those gentrified areas besides expensive bistros and department stores.

― jody von oy (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:25 (nineteen years ago) link

I have a lot of friends from South Jersey who just seem to have this more plain, less edgy, almost midwestern quality to them. It is like another state down there. Different culture, different accents, different landscape, etc.

But where the fuck did that strange breed of tight-shirted, slicked-haired thuggish pod-person that clogs old city in Philly every weekend come from?

― Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:26 (nineteen years ago) link

view of rest of NJ from around princeton (where i'm originally from -- pretty much the dividing line b/w north & south jersey):

north jersey = guidos, ghettos, gangsters AND gangstas, smelly petrochem factories, ASSHOLE NYCers

south jersey = hicks (a/k/a "pinies"), ghettos (camden and trenton)

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:27 (nineteen years ago) link

ideally, yes. but no matter what i do find it distasteful when people act like it's somehow preferable to have a crackhouse than a bistro, and i've encountered a fair share of that sentiment.

xpost to jody

― lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:27 (nineteen years ago) link

But back to NYC -- what's really upsetting me lately is that now the village and lower east side are starting to lose a lot of their good music venues.

― Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:28 (nineteen years ago) link

I have a lot of friends from South Jersey who just seem to have this more plain, less edgy, almost midwestern quality to them.

otm. while we're on the subject, cape may might as well be delaware. it's so NOT what people from other states would think of as "jersey."

― jody von oy (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:29 (nineteen years ago) link

I object to the gross influx of luxury gentrification, but that doesn't mean I want the NYC my mother remembers -- taking her life in her hands every time she was in Port Authority or on the subway.

― Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Jeanne on the money. I'd like to find some happy medium between getting mugged for $5 and paying $1000 for an omelette.

― Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:31 (nineteen years ago) link

ideally, yes. but no matter what i do find it distasteful when people act like it's somehow preferable to have a crackhouse than a bistro, and i've encountered a fair share of that sentiment.

haha my guess is that they weren't even THERE when the bistro was a crackhouse.

if i prefer the "crackhouse" era at all, it's just because rents were lower and small businesses (not just trust-funded bistros) could actually thrive. places like see/hear could actually afford to stay open.

― jody von oy (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:33 (nineteen years ago) link

je4nne, key to not paying $1000 for an omelet = don't eat at the parker meridian. shouldn't be that hard.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:35 (nineteen years ago) link

and it hurts me in my heart cuz there are small cities where lots of independent businesses thrive and are in little danger of being crushed by 800-ton corporate gorillaz. i lived in one. it was great.

― jody von oy (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:36 (nineteen years ago) link

haha hstencil otm. go to the greek diner down the street or better yet, buy some eggs and make your own omelette!

― jody von oy (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Ok, ok, you know what else I hate in New York? The political atmosphere, as in:

"I'm so fucking radical because I spraypainted a graphic of Bush with vampire teeth on a wall where everyone who sees it will already agree with me,"

and

"You know, I used to hate people who joined the army, but then I heard on NPR that some of them actually do it for the money for education. Maybe I can get one of those regular youngsters to come give a talk at my activist group."

― Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:37 (nineteen years ago) link

STOP CREATING STRAWMEN AND SHOW ME REAL PPL THAT ACTUALLY DO AND SAY THIS KTHX

― jody von oy (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Folks, Hurtin's the one who wants the omelette. Je4nne scrambles her own eggs. (ba dum bum)

― Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:41 (nineteen years ago) link

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