Search and Destroy : New Order

Last night I dreamed about New Order. They were playing a gig at the Windmill (dive venue in Brixton, for those of you who aren't from London.) I remembered thinking that Barney was getting fat. But that I'd still do him in a heartbeat. ;-)

U're referring to the bass coda, right? Yeah these 15 secs are worth the album alone

it's a bit harsh to rank the Beatles with those other characters, Ned, innit? at least they made some good films (unlike bloody U2, argh).

"Bizarre Love Triangle" is one of my fave singles evah.

Nice to see that some people out there do enjoy Movement. It was my first New Order album and has since been my favourite.

While there are a bunch of songs I'm not overly fond of, the only things I'd really like to destroy are "Shellshock" and that "Sub-culture" remix. I always found it hysterical that Peter Saville hated that version so much that he refused to design a sleeve for it.

I'd certainly avoid 90% of the remixes as well (via The Rest of and elsewhere).

I'd simply add 'State of the Nation' to your destroy list. Ok, and maybe also 'Liar' off Republic

Search: Original 12" single of 'Ceremony"
Destroy: Blue Monday

while i'm having the biggest neworder phase since about 10 years ago who can tell me which b sides/remixes that aren't on substance disc 2 and 'rest of' are the best ? i have a sneaky feeling that unlike, say prince or pet shop boys or whoever, that all the good stuff (cept maybe 1963) is on the a sides and albums. there's not a lost classic is there ? it's certainly not to be found on the b sides of technique. i like that though, it's al on the record between those 45 minutes ! one semi-gem i discovered is 'the happy one' (technique sessions) which is ace !

god i love new order so very very much it almost physically hurts.

is john denver really credited in the brackets after 'run 2' on the best of sleeve or is someone having me on ?

the tune is ever so slightly nicked from denver's "leaving on a jet plane"

and the settlement from Denver's suit was described as their contribution to sending him into space!

I'm pretty sure that 'the happy one' is used as the continuity music on one of their video collections, quite possibly the Substance one - accompanied by images of falling leaves coloured Saville style (True Faith single cover?)

aha ! well done alan. that explains why it sounds like 4 seperate pieces edited together ! it's a lovely little thing but totally throwaway. yeah i never bothered with the substance collection - neworderstory kind of negated that.

I've really never be able to understand the fuss about Movement, Dreams Never End apart. It sounds so weak to me. Especially in comparison to Closer. Most of the other stuff is brilliant however, and the B side collection from Substance is a must for Lonesome Tonight, 1963, Mesh, Procession and Murder.

How come no one has mentioned Thieves Like Us yet? (Surely the best single made be anyone ever etc)

jason donovan's favourite single of all time. fact.
i recall very vividly the picture of him holding up
'substance 1987' on vinyl in an interview in 1989, and
for the first time thinking 'oh maybe he's quite cool after all'.
the last time i though that was when he did the jo whiley tv show in 98 and he was clearly out of his mind.

The fuss about _Movement_ centers on the fact that while the first half is good (especially "Truth"), the second half is godly. It is difficult to find a track sequence as fantastic as "ICB"/"The Him"/"Doubts Even Here"/"Denial".

word

What Dan said.

'Mesh' on Substance is in fact Cries and Whispers - they mis-titled it.

i've just decided ... "your silent face" is the greatest song ever!

the mother of all 'portables' go!
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Joy Division 'portable' (78:11)

Digital
Disorder
Insight
New Dawn Fades
She's Lost Control
Shadowplay
Wilderness
Interzone
Transmission
Something Must Break
Dead Souls
Love Will Tear Us Apart (single a-side vers.)
Isolation
A Means to an End
Heart and Soul
Twenty Four Hours
Decades
Love Will Tear Us Apart (Peel Session vers.)
Ceremony (from Still)

(pretty straightforward and tidy, I wanted Ceremony on the end to point the way to the future).

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New Order 'portable' disc1 80:56

Ceremony (re-recorded vers from FAC 33T/Substance)
Temptation (5/87 from Substance)
Blue Monday (12" vers. from Substance)
Confusion (5/87 from Substance)
Thieves Like Us
Sub-culture (Robie remix from Substance)
Perfect Kiss (extended vers. from Substance)
True Faith
1963 (94 edit from Best Of)
Fine Time
Round & Round
Run
Regret

(the first disc in my 'three histories' of New Order. It's my dream Substance disc1, with the singles from Technique and "Regret" tacked on - oh! and 1963 which is not the remix, but just a slightly shorter edit of the original. Oh and I LOVE the "Sub-culture" remix).

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New Order 'portable' disc2 80:38

Everything's Gone Green
Dreams Never End
Age of Consent
Love Vigilantes
ShellShock (12" vers.)
Paradise
Weirdo
Broken Promise
State of the Nation (12" vers.)
Blue Monday 1988
All the Way
Love Less
Guilty Partner
Vanishing Point
Dream Attack
World in Motion (single mix)
World (The Price of Love)
Ruined in a Day

(covers additional singles and favorite album tracks and most of the additional tracks from 'Technique')

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New Order 'portable' disc3 80:51

586
Your Silent Face
Sub-culture (album vers.)
Sunrise
Elegia (album vers.)
As It Is When It Was
All Day Long
Mr. Disco
Spooky
Everyone Everywhere
Young Offender
Avalanche
Crystal (radio edit)
60 Miles an Hour
Close Range
Run Wild
Here to Stay (radio edit)

(essential odds-n-ends and my faves from 'Get Ready')

side order 'portable' New Order side projects 78:04

Electronic - Getting Away With It (extended vers.)
Electronic - Get the Message (album vers.)
Electronic - Idiot Country
Electronic - Reality
Electronic - Tighten Up
Electronic - Feel Every Beat
Electronic - Disappointed (single mix)
Electronic - Forbidden City
Electronic - For You
Electronic - One Day
Electronic - Second Nature
The Other Two - Tasty Fish (album vers.)
The Other Two - Selfish (The Single Mix)
The Other Two - Selfish (That Pop Mix)
Monaco - What Do You Want from Me?
Monaco - Happy Jack

(surprisingly strong, I find I listen to this quite a bit. This disc generously pretends that Revenge never happened! also 'Twisted Tenderness' is absent and the last Other Two album which I haven't even heard. The second Monaco album is ignored because I don't remember anything from it).
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I love these CDs probably more than any non-person thing.

oh and these are mostly chronological (side order is chronological by band).

also, album versions unless otherwise noted (i think!)

Nicely done, you supergenius. :-)

spencer, is ceremony on substance from the original factory 7"? if not i have some an mp3 to send you.

ah, i answered my own question upthread:

scott said about 15 months ago:
Ceremony (the 7" is much better than the version on Substance)
so so true... sorry, so late. just wanted a check in the tally column.

-- gygax! (gygax0r@...), September 26th, 2002 8:05 PM.

IMHO, the finest thing they ever did. i have a pristine rip if you're interested.

is the original the one with the gold sleeve?

I think people REALLY need to reconsider "Slave" and the Revenge EP.

esoj = this

bingo

i think mine is more bronze. i bought it when it came out though. is it the same? (uk/us pressings maybe? mine is def uk)

thanks gygax, I actually have that 7" and enjoy it. I like the Substance one better as it fits in with the rest of the pristine-ness of the tracks on that disc. I really like that version from Substance and the one on the Taras Schevchenko (sp?) video.

The Ceremony versions are here :

7": UK 1981 (Factory FAC 33) [gold sleeve]

4:34 Ceremony
4:35 In A Lonely Place

12": UK 1981 (Factory FAC 33) [green sleeve]

4:34 Ceremony
6:12 In A Lonely Place


12": UK 1981 (Factory FAC 33) [cream/blue sleeve] *

4:22 Ceremony **
6:12 In A Lonely Place

* Matrix indicates Side A as FAC 33 A2. Possibly catalogued as FAC 33T.
** Re-recorded when Gill joined the Band. This is the substance version, I think. Not sure what version is on the box-set. Will check tonight.

haha ok, mine is the gold one changed colour due to excessive fondling.

pervert!

Re: Ceremony. I used to have all three versions listed by Dr. C, and although there may have been a slight difference between the green 12" and the cream&blue one, there was a huge difference between both of these and the gold 7", which begins with an epic guitar discordance totally unlike anything on the more well-known version. (Although it might be the case that the original green 12" was the same as the gold 7", but later ones, such as the one i had, included the cream&blue mix instead)

Also search the 7" of Shame of the Nation (Shame was better than State, but the shorter version of Shame was, I think, the finest of the NO tracks that hardly anyone's heard.)

**Although it might be the case that the original green 12" was the same as the gold 7", but later ones, such as the one i had, included the cream&blue mix instead**

I think that's right - also some import versions might have the *wrong* sleeve.

It's definitely the Gill version on Substance, also on the Palatine box - it's bugging me that I can't remember which one is on Retro.

i've never heard the original :(

i think i like Xiu Xiu's version better than Joy Division or New Orders!

i'm serious! this is a bold controversial statement!

I love Galaxie 500's version!

SPENCER HAVE YOU HEARD XIU XIU'S VERSION OF CEREMONY??!?!?!?!?!?!?

I'm off to find it now. I don't remember Xiu Xiu's album being especially appealing, but I'll give it a shot, especially since they have great taste!

it's the first song on the Chapel Of The Chimes EP.

destroy: The Peter Saville Show Soundtrack

Not really fair, since it was never intended for proper release.

I'm listening right now, and if I let my guard down a little bit, it's actually rather--no! these melodies are awful! Gah!

I thought it was OK as background music. Otherwise, yeah, it doesn't impress much.

I thought it was nice. Chorus-ed bass and expensive synths are never truly dud.

is this on soulseek?

Yes. It's about half an hour long.

i thought this thread was "search and destroy: law and order"

I think there should be New Order: Artistic Intent

Lots of hate here for Republic, I see. People originally trashed "Regret" as a recycling of older material, but it has become classic with the passage of time.

Destroy: "Ruined In A Day", "Spooky", "World", as drab a series of singles as any past-it band have let slide out - and after "Regret", too!

Of these, "World" is the one I found to be saved by a remix. The Perfecto Edit perks this track right up and ended up being used for the video.

'Ruined in a day' is awesome though.