good sans-serif fonts for headings: Theon, Varys, Grey Wormgood serif fonts for body text: Tormund, Gendry, Euron
― Fictitious Business Name: (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 22 April 2019 19:02 (five years ago) link
anyone else notice the moment in this episode where Davos ends up talking to the little girl who wants to join the battle, and she has facial scarring that's reminiscent of Stannis's daughter who was sacrificed?
not sure if it was just an emotional callback for his character or if he's going to end up confronting her again after something goes down in the crypt
― mh, Monday, 22 April 2019 19:09 (five years ago) link
felt mostly like the former
― pippin drives a lambo through the gates of isengard (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 22 April 2019 19:14 (five years ago) link
Both if he is tasked with burning her
― Evan, Monday, 22 April 2019 19:15 (five years ago) link
rumor has it the little girl is melissandre in disguise
― homosexual II, Monday, 22 April 2019 19:28 (five years ago) link
poor davos--they keep talking about all the battles he's survived so far, makes me think he's a goner
― person industrial complex (voodoo chili), Monday, 22 April 2019 19:35 (five years ago) link
Tuomas at 9:24 16 Apr 19Maisie Williams has had to carry a lot of the narrative load and i think she's done a great job.Agreed. She should have a great future ahead of her, though I really hope that her height and older-than-she-looks-like appearance won't doom her into being typecast kid characters, or eternally young ones (like she did in Doctor Who), for the next 15 years.
― Tuomas, Monday, 22 April 2019 19:42 (five years ago) link
Me at the end of this episode
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otptS-eOXvI
― nashwan, Monday, 22 April 2019 19:48 (five years ago) link
As for the pairing of characters, that didn't really bother me at all, because it makes sense that if you knew you were likely gonna die tomorrow, of course you would want to explore previously unaddressed affections, and/or look for solace and warmth in others. And all these bondings had been heavily hinted at in the previous seasons: Arya's infatuation with Gendry, the unspoken platonic romance between Brienne and Jaime, whatever it is that's going on with Sansa and Theon...What I don't like, though, is if all of that is used as cliched emotional irony, as a way of marking who's gonna die in the battle next episode. So if Missandei and Grey Worm talking about their future in her homeland, Arya and Gendry having sex, Jaime and Brienne expressing their feelings between the lines, and Sansa and Theon forming a deeper bond means that one in each of those pairs is gonna get killed next, that's just cheap.
― Tuomas, Monday, 22 April 2019 19:56 (five years ago) link
Brienne and Grey Worm are toast for sure
― Number None, Monday, 22 April 2019 20:01 (five years ago) link
What I don't like, though, is if all of that is used as cliched emotional irony, as a way of marking who's gonna die in the battle next episode. So if Missandei and Grey Worm talking about their future in her homeland, Arya and Gendry having sex, Jaime and Brienne expressing their feelings between the lines, and Sansa and Theon forming a deeper bond means that one in each of those pairs is gonna get killed next, that's just cheap.
I don't think it's meant to foreshadow who will die--rather, it acts as a way of removing as much plot armor as possible so that it seems that anyone COULD die during the battle. Some won't, some will, but the point is that it obfuscates it. I think you might be able to argue that it's just a cheap way of raising the emotional stakes for the viewers, and I get that. But like I mentioned earlier, I enjoyed it and it made me feel emotional before going into the battle, so I'll take it.
― unashamed and trash (Unctious), Monday, 22 April 2019 20:12 (five years ago) link
That all being said, it's probably an unwelcome departure in a lot of peoples' eyes--specifically that the story didn't used to care who was at a narrative end to their arc or not. Apparent plot armor or not, everyone was fair game. Now they're ditching a lot of plot armor to up the suspense (i.e., they're trading shock for suspense).
― unashamed and trash (Unctious), Monday, 22 April 2019 20:14 (five years ago) link
How are people seeing romance between Sansa and Theon!? Their looks/reunion is one of two people who went through hell at the hands of the same man (Ramsay) and surviving it.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 22 April 2019 21:26 (five years ago) link
to some, the public eating of beans is a "pairing ceremony" that establishes shared romantic intentions
― Fictitious Business Name: (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 22 April 2019 21:35 (five years ago) link
i'm shipping sansa/brienne now
― mh, Monday, 22 April 2019 21:38 (five years ago) link
next ep preview all but confirming some hijinx via an attack in a different direction/via the crypt/thirty minutes of zombie stand up comedy
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 22 April 2019 21:39 (five years ago) link
aaaand there's my new DN
― pippin drives a lambo through the gates of isengard (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 22 April 2019 21:45 (five years ago) link
bless
― the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 22 April 2019 21:45 (five years ago) link
that knight eatin beans
― Simon H., Monday, 22 April 2019 21:48 (five years ago) link
hahhaha yes
― the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 22 April 2019 21:55 (five years ago) link
I kinda liked the episode.
― Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Monday, 22 April 2019 22:01 (five years ago) link
That is all.
― Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Monday, 22 April 2019 22:02 (five years ago) link
i enjoyed this week's episode just for re-establishing a lot of relationships, and the "biding time" dialogue was immeasurably better than similar scenes involving Tyrion, Grey Worm, and Missandei over on the other side of the sea. A low bar to clear to be fair...
Theon and Sansa have more chemistry than Daenerys and Jon, i'll say that much.
I'm trying to figure out not so much who is going to die as who seems likely to survive. I feel pretty safe in predicting Sansa and Arya to be safe. They're not going to kill all the Starks except one, and Bran isn't even a Stark anymore i guess.
― omar little, Monday, 22 April 2019 22:07 (five years ago) link
I've gone many seasons now not knowing who Edd is or where he came from but here we are
― flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 22 April 2019 22:52 (five years ago) link
I assumed Tormond will die just so they can resolve his love interest in Brienne easily and with dignity. but I guess Brienne dying would do the same.
― FernandoHierro, Monday, 22 April 2019 23:06 (five years ago) link
https://theconcourse.deadspin.com/something-bads-going-to-happen-in-that-crypt-huh-1834224453
― El Tomboto, Monday, 22 April 2019 23:46 (five years ago) link
They've "hidden spoilered" it so much that I almost wonder if they'll pull a cheeky bait and switch and *not* have Sean Bean playing the headless zombie Ned Stark that gets raised from the Winterfell crypts to feast on his surviving children
― Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Monday, 22 April 2019 23:56 (five years ago) link
He was magnificent as the statue of Ned at the end of the previous episode
― the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 00:00 (five years ago) link
Wait wait... where is Cate buried? Is she in the crypt? Will we finally get zombie Lady Stark!?
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 00:02 (five years ago) link
Arya be like... #GameofThrones pic.twitter.com/QxvaZrBXIo— Chris Masi (@chris_masi) April 22, 2019
― I want to change my display name (dan m), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 00:48 (five years ago) link
she’s got a second list of dudes
― mh, Tuesday, 23 April 2019 00:50 (five years ago) link
my outlandish crypt theory is that the night king isn't the only one left in westeros who can raise the dead.
― omar little, Tuesday, 23 April 2019 01:05 (five years ago) link
that's not bad - it would at least explain how Uncle Benjen came to be
― the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 03:53 (five years ago) link
No I mean there’s a red woman out there who’s def anti-night king and has to return at some point.
― omar little, Tuesday, 23 April 2019 03:55 (five years ago) link
ha, duh that makes sense
― the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 05:27 (five years ago) link
OK that then goes along with the "that little girl with the burnt face is Melisandre" theory.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 06:35 (five years ago) link
(which Mandee posted upthread)
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 06:36 (five years ago) link
Because their bonding over those traumas was already addressed in the previous couple of seasons, so giving them two emotionally loaded scenes seem to be hinting at something else rather than just replaying those same sentiments. Though of course it's quite ambiguous, and there might be no romance at all. And since Theon is probably the most likely main character to die in the battle for Winterfell, so he can redeem himself of past sins against the Starks, we'll probably never find out.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 23 April 2019 07:12 (five years ago) link
I quite enjoyed the sense of freezing dread about the whole episode, it's probably the last chance we'll get to spend time with a lot of these characters so give them all their moment I guess.
Still, no way have they kept Gendry around all this time and re-emphasised the Baratheon bastard thing just to kill him off now, although you never know.
We probably need a Game of Thrones Death Pool thread by now right?
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 23 April 2019 07:29 (five years ago) link
Gendry and Arya for King and Queen?I’ve given up trying to make predictions - I’ll just sit back and enjoy the ride/make petty criticisms like wtf was Davos doing serving up soup in a castle full of servants?
― Madchen, Tuesday, 23 April 2019 08:16 (five years ago) link
My guesses for the deaths by the end of this season:
ALMOST CERTAINNight KingCerseiEuronTheonJorahJaimeMountainGrey Worm or MissandeiMelisandre
LIKELY, BUT NOT CERTAINVarysBrienneTyrionBranBronnPodrickEddDavosTormundHoundBericYaraOne of the two surviving dragons
UNLIKELY, BUT COULD DIE FOR SHOCK VALUEJonDaenerysSansaGillyBaby SamLyanna MormontBoth of the surviving dragons
ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT DIEAryaSam
WILD CARDGendry
As for the reasoning behind the certain deaths and certain survivals:
- Night King, Cersei, and Euron will die for being the main villainous characters still left.- The Mountain will die because the writers will give the fans the Hound/Mountain duel they've been waiting for (foreshadowed in the season 7 finale), which will lead to either the Mountain or both of them dying.- Jorah is the perfect character to pull a heroic sacrifice, most likely for Dany.- Jaime and Theon will die to atone for their numerous sins.- Melisandre will die because of the prophecy that she's bound to die on Westeros. And she's yet another character who could pull off a heroic sacrifice to pay for her sins.- Either Grey Worm or Missandei will die of dramatic irony, because of the plans they made in this episode to grow old together. One of them will be left alive to mourn for the other.
- IMO Arya and Sam are the only ones who are certain to survive, because they're the sort of underdogs people root for, and they've been both been given deep character arcs where they rise beyond anything anyone exptected of them, so to kill them off would anticlimactic, which is not something the show has done since the first three seasons.
- Gendry is a wild card because we don't really know whether him being Robert Baratheon's bastard was always just a red herring; if it was, he'll probably die in the next episode for similar dramatic irony as with Grey Worm/Missandei. If, like Matt pointed out, the bastard aspect was emphasised again for a reason, it could be that the show ends with him (or his and Arya's kid) sitting on the Iron Throne, after all the other candidates have died or refused the throne.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 23 April 2019 08:16 (five years ago) link
I'd put Bran in the Certain group. I think a huge part of the ending is the old magic being taken out, and that means Bran is a goner. And I suspect he knows.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 23 April 2019 08:28 (five years ago) link
Yeah that list makes sense. I'd bump Dany up a category though since she's already displaying Mad King tendencies. I can easily see Varys surviving as well.
I know everyone in this is an idiot but has it occurred to even a single character that when you're fighting an army of the dead, perhaps putting all your most vulnerable citizens in a crypt is not a great idea?
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 23 April 2019 08:47 (five years ago) link
varys & tyrion having a chat on a balcony seems like a decent bet for the final scene
― ogmor, Tuesday, 23 April 2019 08:54 (five years ago) link
Even though they're obviously supernatural, the wights seem to require to have at least some meat around their bones to be able to move, as we haven't see any skeleton wights. And the crypt seems to be reserved only to the deceased members of the Stark family, most of whom have been dead for decades or centuries, so they wouldn't be in a state where they could be risen. The only one's who could are Catelyn and the headless body of Ned, I think? Was Robb's body ever brought to Winterfell?
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 23 April 2019 09:14 (five years ago) link
I suspect there will be a moment when Dany can save John, and she demurs or ignores his peril. He won't die then, though.
― Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 09:58 (five years ago) link
oh shit Zombie littlefinger
― thomasintrouble, Tuesday, 23 April 2019 10:15 (five years ago) link
xps the Gendry and Aria ending is foreshadowed back in the very first episode so definitely possible. Wouldn't it be great and brutal if they did just eventually kill everyone though?
― thomasintrouble, Tuesday, 23 April 2019 10:19 (five years ago) link
Wow, why is GOT denying me the Yara / Gilly meeting I've been clamoring for all these years? I love those two characters soooooo much I've always wondered what they would say if they finally met.
― Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 10:23 (five years ago) link
Even though they're obviously supernatural, the wights seem to require to have at least some meat around their bones to be able to move, as we haven't see any skeleton wights.
Gotta admit, it would be awesome if the finale were state of the art CGI dragons and zombies vs. Harryhausen stop animation skeletons. And that goes for pretty much every show, not just this one.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 23 April 2019 11:39 (five years ago) link