dany is def monomaniacal and will either end up getting killed by arya or something at the end - or else taking over and being a mad queen
― findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Monday, 6 May 2019 18:56 (five years ago) link
another problematic stance for Elizabeth Warren to apologize for
― Simon H., Monday, 6 May 2019 18:57 (five years ago) link
Tyrion also seems to be a massive idiot now, Varys only slightly less so for not seeing this mess coming
― Simon H., Monday, May 6, 2019 2:29 PM (twenty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Remember when the two of them knew a sooper seekrit way in and out of the Red Keep? That's OK, neither do they!!
― Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Monday, 6 May 2019 19:02 (five years ago) link
lol
― Simon H., Monday, 6 May 2019 19:03 (five years ago) link
they literally just used it in season 7 wtf is going on
― i think ur a controp (voodoo chili), Monday, 6 May 2019 19:04 (five years ago) link
she and grey worm were the only remaining people of color on the show, and wouldn't it be nice for once to not sacrifice PoC for the greater good of white people?
Agree this is fucked up, but not surprising coming from the same showrunners who built Dany up as the ultimate white saviour fantasy, killed off an entire Dothraki horde in one episode, and really wanted to make a Confederate TV show.
And while we're at it, there were totally other ways for them to push Dany into her Mad Queen arc e.g. kept Jorah for one more episode and let Cersei kill him instead. It would have made more sense too since Jorah did betray King's Landing for Dany.
Greyworm and Missandei were boring af but so are Sam and Gilly, and not only did those two live, they get to have another damn baby.
― Roz, Monday, 6 May 2019 19:14 (five years ago) link
dany has ALWAYS been a dumbass character, even (especially!) when she's triumphant and crowdsurfing on freed slaves. would have much preferred a storyline with two dead dwagons and she gets lopped by the mountain. roz otm
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 6 May 2019 19:22 (five years ago) link
push Dany into her Mad Queen arc
Is it really an arc if it takes place over the course of the final two episodes of a 7 season show?
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 6 May 2019 19:23 (five years ago) link
Mad Queen finger roll
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 6 May 2019 19:24 (five years ago) link
I would say it started the moment she got to Winterfell and didn't immediately have Northerners falling head over heels in love with her. xpost
― Roz, Monday, 6 May 2019 19:28 (five years ago) link
A generous reading would be that the arc began when she crucified the slave masters in Meereen two or three seasons ago, but I dunno if the writers had that in mind when writing those episodes? They do claim they've known Arya would kill the Night King since season 4 or something, so maybe they have had some long-term plan for Daenerys too, though obviously that could've been better executed. At least Arya's arc leading to slaying the NK made a lot of sense in retrospect.
― Tuomas, Monday, 6 May 2019 19:32 (five years ago) link
What if Emilia Clarke's acting has always been an intentional choice, and the reason she makes Dany seem so uncharismatic and pouty is because that's how she really is? So the only ones who would find her to be a good ruler are the slaves she freed, and everyone on Westeros is totally unimpressed with her, which leads to her going crazy?
― Tuomas, Monday, 6 May 2019 19:35 (five years ago) link
given clarke's career trajectory, you may be reading a bit much into her choices.anyways, dany's "arc" of being chekhov's mad gun being left around for the moment when her fiery (GET IT?!?!?!) blood overflows into mass dragon slaughter, to either be reigned in or let loose as befits the endgame, has been telegraphed for years. it's just very poorly and patronizingly framed by these circumstances. fuck's sake, they stuffed misandry in a fridge!
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 6 May 2019 19:37 (five years ago) link
So the only ones who would find her to be a good ruler are the slaves she freed
and (until recently) a ton of actual characters!
Speaking of which, I have to say I haven't really missed Daario Naharis but it is kinda weird that he's not around for all the action
xp
― Simon H., Monday, 6 May 2019 19:40 (five years ago) link
hey stuffed misandry in a fridge!
given clarke's career trajectory, you may be reading a bit much into her choices.
Was aiming for sarcasm there, in case it wasn't clear.
Clarke was perfectly fine in the Han Solo movie, she just doesn't seem to be cut to play the sort of regal and authorative character Daenerys is supposed to be, it's hard to see why Tyrion et al would be so impressed by her.
― Tuomas, Monday, 6 May 2019 19:41 (five years ago) link
I've been watching the show from the beginning the last week (just got to the red wedding) while simultaneously watching the new episodes (yes, a very dumb tv watching tactic) and dany is pretty monomaniacal from (almost) the very beginning. basically as soon as the dothraki start respecting her as queen she's on a one way trip to the iron throne.
― findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Monday, 6 May 2019 19:45 (five years ago) link
that's a pretty good watching tactic, imo. you start to notice the references and echos back to earlier encounters a lot more easily if you're watching the episodes in parallel
that is, when they remember to do those things
― mh, Monday, 6 May 2019 19:56 (five years ago) link
woman has destiny to rule and consistently takes steps to accomplish this = monomaniacalman does the same = hero
― sarahell, Monday, 6 May 2019 19:59 (five years ago) link
counterpoint: Stannis
― We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Monday, 6 May 2019 20:00 (five years ago) link
Stannis wasn't set up as having a destiny to rule ...
― sarahell, Monday, 6 May 2019 20:01 (five years ago) link
Stannis was like, if someone convinced Hot Pie he should be the captain of the Kings Guard
I seem to remember that someone was telling him he had one
― We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Monday, 6 May 2019 20:02 (five years ago) link
lol and everybody knew that was full of shit!
― sarahell, Monday, 6 May 2019 20:03 (five years ago) link
― Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Monday, May 6, 2019 12:02 PM (one hour ago)
the point was not to invade but to give Cersei an opportunity to step down peacefully so fewer people die. ...
― sarahell, Monday, 6 May 2019 20:06 (five years ago) link
stannis is such a boring character. also monomaniacal. also believes he has the right to rule due to being robert's heir given that "his" children are not his
― findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Monday, 6 May 2019 20:07 (five years ago) link
well yeah, his claim is pretty similar to Dany's. He was a relative of the murdered king. He has some supernatural freaks telling him that he's the choice of the Lord of Light.
― We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Monday, 6 May 2019 20:11 (five years ago) link
the entire subplot with Stannis was vile enough that everyone, including Melisandre, decided to wash their hands of the entire affair as soon as he was gone
― mh, Monday, 6 May 2019 20:11 (five years ago) link
but he spent many years of his life being storms end dude, middle brother ... like he wasn't raised with this destiny.
― sarahell, Monday, 6 May 2019 20:11 (five years ago) link
like Stannis is kinda the Joe Biden of Westeros ...
― sarahell, Monday, 6 May 2019 20:12 (five years ago) link
dany's older brother was the rightful heir until drogo killed him
― findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Monday, 6 May 2019 20:12 (five years ago) link
no matter what Danerys was up to (including incinerating Sam's family) it was nothing compared to the shit Stannis and Melisandre were doing in the name of whatever prophecy
― mh, Monday, 6 May 2019 20:13 (five years ago) link
also "rightful heir". weird how much stock people put in the rules when obv no-one in this universe actually obeys them
― findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Monday, 6 May 2019 20:13 (five years ago) link
also dany's claim is always very weird because it's predicated on the mad king being murdered and his reign ending that way as being a bad thing when he was obv terrible
― findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Monday, 6 May 2019 20:15 (five years ago) link
xp every time Dany mentions her brother I groan and remember how he was the smarter but nearly as loathsome as Joffrey and at no moment do I feel bad about his fate
― mh, Monday, 6 May 2019 20:15 (five years ago) link
he was the worst, i was very stoked to see him getting his head melted
― findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Monday, 6 May 2019 20:16 (five years ago) link
there was another character who didn't have any prophecies or bloodlines backing him, but who nonetheless took a lot of actions to get himself into a position to rule something or other, and he was mostly treated as a villain.
― We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Monday, 6 May 2019 20:18 (five years ago) link
the show is pretty hard on people who believe their own hype
― We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Monday, 6 May 2019 20:19 (five years ago) link
one of my coworkers said that he could imagine Euron carrying around a bag of feral cats and throwing them at people
seems about right
― mh, Monday, 6 May 2019 20:20 (five years ago) link
Euron is the first Proud Boy of Westeros imo
― omar little, Monday, 6 May 2019 20:26 (five years ago) link
I couldn't completely agree with people referring to the Greyjoys as "the white trash of Westeros" but I get where they're coming from
― mh, Monday, 6 May 2019 20:34 (five years ago) link
Theon and Yara's dad going on about how Theon "didn't pay the iron price" for his fancy shirt which apparently means you only get a cool shirt if you take it off someone you killed was really something. And judging from Dad Greyjoy's look, he probably did that decades ago and never changed his shirt
― mh, Monday, 6 May 2019 20:36 (five years ago) link
implication was that they basically don't have commerce because paying the gold price for anything is ignoble. must be hard to do your grocery shopping on pyke
― findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Monday, 6 May 2019 21:09 (five years ago) link
Dany and her storyline have been trash since at least season 3, if not 2. They literally repeated her one story 3 times: rulers refuse to obey her or capture her, then her dragon breathes fire and the rulers all die/surrender. Repeat. Which might explain why Dany is so tactically dumb: all she ever had to do was say Descarys and she won.
If she ended up being a Mad Queen it would be the most interesting thing to happen to her since she walked out of the fire in S1E10.
― Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Monday, 6 May 2019 21:18 (five years ago) link
I agree (and I openly wished for it earlier itt I believe), but as other people have said, shoehorning that turn into the last few episodes is pretty shitty
― Simon H., Monday, 6 May 2019 21:20 (five years ago) link
i sorta resent this show for it's full infiltration of my life, like i can't even buy grocerieshttps://www.foodkick.com/product/win_pid_5003600
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 6 May 2019 21:22 (five years ago) link
4☹4
― Evan, Monday, 6 May 2019 21:24 (five years ago) link
I hadn't connected this to the Mad King, but Missandrei's last word basically being "fire em up with the dragon" is really close to his last command of "burn them all"
― mh, Monday, 6 May 2019 21:30 (five years ago) link
not sure how they're going to justify the dragon being able to do much considering all the mega-crossbows on the ramparts
― findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Monday, 6 May 2019 21:31 (five years ago) link
maybe they can design some devices to eliminate big crossbows
― FernandoHierro, Monday, 6 May 2019 21:32 (five years ago) link