Doesn't explain two truncated series and what seems like a rush to reach an artificial deadline.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 11 May 2019 16:06 (four years ago) link
It's fascinating/surprising/not surprising that this debate is playing out with literally two episodes left of the entire series, like everyone has come to the same conclusion at the same time but a couple of years too late. 7 seasons of ice zombies, they're gone, and people are all eh. What's left is a million posts/pieces not about 'what will happen' but asking 'why is this happening this way', which covers the same meta criticism ground of those chalking up years of odd creative decisions to a low CGI budget or whatever. So instead of discussions about plot or characters we're getting tons of 4th wall breaking discussions about the making of the show itself, which is neat but betrays a certain resignation.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 11 May 2019 16:13 (four years ago) link
Maybe I’m missing your point—it seems like you think the thread is D&D apologist? I didn’t get that impression at all. I didn’t think it’s making an excuse, so much as an explanation of what seems to have happened.
― unashamed and trash (Unctious), Saturday, 11 May 2019 16:19 (four years ago) link
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/game-of-thrones-season-8-director-questions_n_5cd45cb5e4b0796a95d84ece
Wow they are so dumb
Euron wasn’t really paying attention when Tyrion mentioned the pregnancy
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 12 May 2019 15:55 (four years ago) link
xpost Oh, I'm not talking about this thread specifically, I'm talking the broader debate in places that cover it pretty religiously, like the Ringer and AVClub.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 12 May 2019 16:43 (four years ago) link
Xpost - ya, with Euron I find that believable.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 12 May 2019 16:59 (four years ago) link
Euron was "totally zoned out"
― these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Sunday, 12 May 2019 17:02 (four years ago) link
Dany forgot about the Iron fleetEuron forgot about 'his' baby
Coming up: Jon forgets about DanyCersei forgets about the iron throneHot Pie forgets about hot pies
― kinder, Sunday, 12 May 2019 18:30 (four years ago) link
Look who's in the spirit!
I really hope @AnnRomney appreciates her Mother’s Day gift… pic.twitter.com/FnACKduZzK— Mitt Romney (@MittRomney) May 12, 2019
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 12 May 2019 18:31 (four years ago) link
That’s shit just like the show
― EZ Snappin, Sunday, 12 May 2019 20:19 (four years ago) link
I thought Tagg was the fake one Schmitt made up on New Girl?
― Frederik B, Sunday, 12 May 2019 20:31 (four years ago) link
really poor typography on “ben“ tsk tsk
waste of time and energy on a laser cutter mittford
― I want to change my display name (dan m), Sunday, 12 May 2019 21:26 (four years ago) link
lmao
― Simon H., Monday, 13 May 2019 02:23 (four years ago) link
So at least what, three, four character arcs they completely FUBARed there?
― Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Monday, 13 May 2019 02:26 (four years ago) link
but Cleganebowl!!
― Simon H., Monday, 13 May 2019 02:30 (four years ago) link
remembering that D&D have been developing a new Star Wars trilogy for the last while has helped me understand the direction
― Simon H., Monday, 13 May 2019 02:36 (four years ago) link
the only good way forward for the last season is if Dany goes mad like her father, that would rule― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, July 24, 2017 12:03 AM (one year ago)
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, July 24, 2017 12:03 AM (one year ago)
hmmmmm
― Simon H., Monday, 13 May 2019 02:40 (four years ago) link
It was the right story direction, but they really rushed to it didn’t they
― i think ur a controp (voodoo chili), Monday, 13 May 2019 03:01 (four years ago) link
yup
― Simon H., Monday, 13 May 2019 03:02 (four years ago) link
question is, whose face will arya be wearing when she merks dany
― gbx, Monday, 13 May 2019 03:03 (four years ago) link
It just feels insubstantial, like the only reason Dany didn’t indulge her urge to burninate everything last week was because there were two more whole episodes to fill
― i think ur a controp (voodoo chili), Monday, 13 May 2019 03:04 (four years ago) link
someone do a simpsons meme with bart showing ralph wiggum’s heart breaking in slow motion to lisa juxtaposed with tyrion looking broken as danerys goes ham with the dragon
― mh, Monday, 13 May 2019 03:16 (four years ago) link
Hold onThink of all the kids whose parents named them Daenerys or Khaleesi— Lev Novak (@LevNovak) May 13, 2019
― gbx, Monday, 13 May 2019 03:19 (four years ago) link
Dany going mad was a good choice and I didn't predict it would happen like this. Well done to whoever came up with it, GRRM.
The rest of the episode, uh
― adam the (abanana), Monday, 13 May 2019 03:28 (four years ago) link
That was a very good and well-staged episode IMO but dammit I wish they hadn’t rushed to get to it. I’m usually in favor of shorter tv seasons but this is definitely a case where more episodes would have been better.
― Simon H., Monday, May 13, 2019 2:36 AM (forty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yeah, it explains a lot. Apparently HBO was going to give them all the resources and episodes they needed to finish but D&D chose to do it in six episodes. They’re clearly in a hurry to move on.
Not having any more book material to work with probably didn’t help either.
― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Monday, 13 May 2019 03:33 (four years ago) link
i don't see what Dany did as being particularly "mad" -- it was comparable to the US military strategy at the end of WW2 (e.g. Dresden) -- and speaking of which, I did love the Cersei/Quyburn tribute to the Hitler bunker scene in Downfall
― sarahell, Monday, 13 May 2019 03:50 (four years ago) link
Qyburn getting his watermelon smashed was my favorite thing in the episode
― Simon H., Monday, 13 May 2019 03:52 (four years ago) link
i found this episode pretty satisfying
― sarahell, Monday, 13 May 2019 03:54 (four years ago) link
Appreciated the total lack of Danerys-on-dragon shots. We don’t need her motivation, because whatever it is, it’s fucked
although the entire confrontation with her back home was very close to a “you need a snickers” commercial
― mh, Monday, 13 May 2019 03:56 (four years ago) link
Think of all the kids whose parents named them Daenerys or Khaleesi
boo fucking hoo, my name's still theon
― difficult listening hour, Monday, 13 May 2019 03:59 (four years ago) link
is there any money on whether Arya takes out the new queen
― mh, Monday, 13 May 2019 04:00 (four years ago) link
i don't see what Dany did as being particularly "mad" -- it was comparable to the US military strategy at the end of WW2 (e.g. Dresden)
The US hadn't even begun the invasion of Germany during the Dresden firebombing.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, 13 May 2019 04:04 (four years ago) link
The Allies*
pretty sure we were bombing cities while the Russians were already in Germany and the war was more or less over, minus Hitler's surrender ... basically Hitler wouldn't surrender, so we bombed the fuck out of Germany and then he killed himself
― sarahell, Monday, 13 May 2019 04:06 (four years ago) link
and if you think of this episode in terms of Dany being distrustful of Jon, in a similar way that the US was of Russia -- what she did was totally sane and tactical -- it's what Curtis LeMay would have done
― sarahell, Monday, 13 May 2019 04:08 (four years ago) link
not a huge thing, but a single shot of Ellaria Sand would have gone a long way.
― Simon H., Monday, 13 May 2019 04:10 (four years ago) link
Appreciated the total lack of Danerys-on-dragon shots.
yah, that really stood out to me
― gbx, Monday, 13 May 2019 04:13 (four years ago) link
pretty sure we were bombing cities while the Russians were already in Germany and the war was more or less over,
The Sack of King's Landing II is more like the Emperor surrendering and then we drop a couple of atomic bombs on Tokyo proper for good measure (which we... did not do).
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, 13 May 2019 04:25 (four years ago) link
xp we’re not really meant to empathize with her here, and Grey Worm’s face as he’s doing the “fuck it, kill em all” spear throw tells all
― mh, Monday, 13 May 2019 04:34 (four years ago) link
re Dresden: it was really just a question of how long the Germans would hold out ... like, a month or maybe 8 or 9, at most, but they were pretty much guaranteed losers at that point. The Japan comparison is bogus, because Cersei hadn't surrendered ... one squadron of kings army soldiers threw down their swords ... like, nahh.
― sarahell, Monday, 13 May 2019 04:35 (four years ago) link
did we see a second squadron? there’s like one main entrance and they were the leaders of the charge
the bells were ringing, swords are down, and cersei could have tried to hold shit in the keep but the one shot we get is Danerys pondering for a second with flared nostrils deciding the peaceful option is bullshit. burns down civilians almost immediately after!
― mh, Monday, 13 May 2019 04:41 (four years ago) link
like, we're talking about less geographical territory, but this is more like, Nazi regiments surrendering in France and Belgium, so we move on to the center of Nazi power such that Germany = Kings Landing
― sarahell, Monday, 13 May 2019 04:42 (four years ago) link
er, the central part of Kings Landing -- past those gates, would be Germany --
― sarahell, Monday, 13 May 2019 04:43 (four years ago) link
Like, I'm not saying that makes her a great person, but it's a totally rational tactical deployment as far as military strategy goes -- just think how nice the Germans and Japanese were to the U.S./Allies a generation or so after we bombed the fuck out of them.
― sarahell, Monday, 13 May 2019 04:44 (four years ago) link
would've been so much more satisfying if they'd made it to the boat and he just bleeds to death far into the ocean and leave them both fucked.
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Monday, 13 May 2019 04:46 (four years ago) link
"it was really just a question of how long the Germans would hold out ... like, a month or maybe 8 or 9, at most" - given that they held out longer than one month and that 8 or 9 was a greater period of time than D-Day to Dresden.
The city's surrender bells had tolled and there was no fighting when Danaerys unleashed the sack. What she did was the Rape of Nanking, medieval fantasy-style.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, 13 May 2019 04:50 (four years ago) link
Like, I'm not saying that makes her a great person, but it's a totally rational tactical deployment as far as military strategy goes
re: distrust of Russia, the analogy there would be if Dany started contemplating an alliance with Cersei against Jon
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, 13 May 2019 04:52 (four years ago) link
despite air superiority, modern day warfare seems a poor comparison
― mh, Monday, 13 May 2019 04:53 (four years ago) link
all i'm saying is that it isn't crazy as far as military strategy goes -- ruthless, yes, violating the geneva conventions or whatever, sure, but not crazy
― sarahell, Monday, 13 May 2019 04:58 (four years ago) link
who rang the bell?
I was mostly satisfied with the episode. The horror of war/slaughter had a much greater impact then any of the fighting vs the night king army. And glad there were a lot of plans that immediately went to shit. The Euron fight was a pretty stupid way to get rid of him, that could've been better.
― dan selzer, Monday, 13 May 2019 04:59 (four years ago) link