he was fairly decent as commander of nights watch tho ... well, except for the part where he didn't see the conspiracy/assassination coming ...
― sarahell, Tuesday, 14 May 2019 20:30 (four years ago) link
the Night King that was destroyed through the teamwork of his disabled brother and his younger sister?
None of them would have even been there if he hadn't told everyone about the threat and convinced them to come. I mean, who knows where Bran and Arya would have been if Jon hadn't been crowing about the Night King to everyone who would listen?
― DJI, Tuesday, 14 May 2019 20:32 (four years ago) link
I'm not saying he's a total waste of oxygen ... just that he's mediocre as a leader
― sarahell, Tuesday, 14 May 2019 20:33 (four years ago) link
definitely bad at battle tactics/strategy -- and ppl have already covered the politics/communication stuff
tbf to Jon i think part of his character is people trying to thrust him (sometimes successfully!) into leadership positions he doesn't wish to ascend to, it's kind of a running joke i think. did he even really want to lead the night's watch? i don't recall.
― omar little, Tuesday, 14 May 2019 20:35 (four years ago) link
no, dude never wanted to be in charge ... and that's why he isn't totally stupid.
― sarahell, Tuesday, 14 May 2019 20:36 (four years ago) link
It is weird and chilling that they decided not to show Dany's face during the fire bombing. I wondered if it was possible she'd been warg'd (but that is simply too far-fetched). If it was just a direction decision it's a strange but effective one
Buddy of mine, making up a hack story line in our discord, had this to say:
"Think about it, the children of the forest created the white walkers to destroy humanity, but now they're defending a human from the white walkers? Doesn't make any sense.
What happened was that after the first Long Night when men defeated the white walkers and pushed them back, the children of the forest realized they needed a more powerful weapon to kill humanity, so they kidnapped a human and made the 3ER. The first attempt to kill humanity was King Aerys, the 3ER fucked with his mind and made him start screaming to burn them all over and over again, but it was thwarted by Jaime Lannister. Now Bran is doing it with Dany."
Seems very implausible, and doesn't explain why Bran worked so hard to stop NK unless the children of the forest are also at risk from the white walkers, but, what can you do.
― unashamed and trash (Unctious), Tuesday, 14 May 2019 20:40 (four years ago) link
I hope the final shot is Bran staring at the camera with glowing blue eyes
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 14 May 2019 20:50 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crPp0zizRDI
― DJI, Tuesday, 14 May 2019 21:12 (four years ago) link
Jon is the James Comey of GOT: a dumb Boy Scout hung up on bullshit concepts like loyalty.
― Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Tuesday, 14 May 2019 21:18 (four years ago) link
everyone in the show is being warged by benioff and weiss--it explains everything.
― i think ur a controp (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 14 May 2019 21:23 (four years ago) link
I disagree with this thread, I've been thinking for a while that Jon Snow is the greatest human being ever depicted in fiction.
― FernandoHierro, Tuesday, 14 May 2019 22:56 (four years ago) link
kinguddanorf!
― DJI, Tuesday, 14 May 2019 22:58 (four years ago) link
se@n t. c0llins, the most avid GOT defender I (used to) follow on Twitter, claims to earnestly find Jon a moving and fascinating character
― Simon H., Tuesday, 14 May 2019 23:02 (four years ago) link
The whole thing with a non-heir son joining the night’s watch is analogous to families sending their children to become priests, isn’t it?
I don’t buy the “Dany goes pure napalm because it’s her destiny to be queen” idea. She’d have deposed Cersei or executed her without burning the city! We don’t need to justify it with actual history, either — I am pretty sure Westeros has had cities sacked or burned, she just did it more strongly
I hadn’t realized it but the plot mirror in the episode is Sandor: he knows the keep will burn and fall and Arya doesn’t need to personally take out Cersei, but he’s incapable of just letting things play out because he never made it past the damage his family did and he’s playing it out when he knows he’ll die. He’s incapable of letting it happen without a confrontation as much as Danerys is incapable of taking the city under a surrender
― mh, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 00:03 (four years ago) link
kudos to fgti on also picking up the lack of Danerys shots during the firebombing
― mh, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 00:04 (four years ago) link
alien to that world, is _not_ continuing the legacy of your family to rule if you are a member of the ruling class and you are the designated family member to do so. Like, it was a big weird deal when
...when Edward VIII abdicated in (checks wiki) 1936?
― Pontius Pilates (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 02:26 (four years ago) link
my coworker said he cant wait for Jon Snow to kill Danerys in the finale. ?!? i was like rmde dude Jon Snow hasn’t done a decisive goddamn thing in the past, what, two seasons at least. balls to that. If anyone kills her it’ll be Sansa or Arya.
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 02:33 (four years ago) link
I reckon yr coworker is correct tbh
― Simon H., Wednesday, 15 May 2019 02:40 (four years ago) link
I think we should’ve all predicted this turn of events given Grimes/Elon Musk sideplot last year, tbh
― flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 04:29 (four years ago) link
A stabby ball of Jon / Sansa / Arya stuck in the doorframe.
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 06:26 (four years ago) link
That trailer for the last episode has somebody saying that was Emilia's final scene. Showing her walking. So I guess they probably film out of sequence or that would be too much of a spoiler?
& thinking of spoilers does GRRM look forward into the future of Westeros anywhere? I have seen reference to prehistory several times just wondering if there is anything looking forward to centuries after the current contemporary whenever that is. Though sounds like he hasn't caught up with where the tv series has.
― Stevolende, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 06:59 (four years ago) link
I'm looking forward to the point where Westeros finally invents the internal combustion engine, the microwave oven and the internet.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 07:12 (four years ago) link
I think they have, but that it's kept secret by the Maesters of Oldtown. That weird Sam epilogue of book four has to go somewhere!
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 07:37 (four years ago) link
^^^ there is a kind of iceberg plot in the deep background of the books that does involve the technological development of westeros and seemed just at the point of surfacing when they stalled. haven't seen the show since s3 but it seems to have shed it. if show euron feels somehow vestigial this is probably why.
― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 08:26 (four years ago) link
So I guess they probably film out of sequence or that would be too much of a spoiler?
yes
― Number None, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 08:32 (four years ago) link
It's funny to see that trailer for the making-of documentary. When the LotR films came out on DVD, accompanied by all those documentaries and extra scenes with the greenskeepers and the costume designers and the effects people, those stories were such an integral part of the whole exercise. Now, though, because I only watch things on box sets on the TV, or streamed over the internet, I don't see those extras anymore, so I haven't really seen any of the behind-the-scenes stuff. Although I probably will buy the DVDs of GoT when the whole thing is done and you can get them all in one big lovely special edition cardboard dragon, if only so that I don't end up having to rely on the version they release in ten years' time with new effects and whatever terrible filters they will have then.
― trishyb, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 10:10 (four years ago) link
^^^ there is a kind of iceberg plot in the deep background of the books that does involve the technological development of westeros and seemed just at the point of surfacing when they stalled..
― gyac, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 10:39 (four years ago) link
I hadn’t realized it but the plot mirror in the episode is Sandor: he knows the keep will burn and fall and Arya doesn’t need to personally take out Cersei, but he’s incapable of just letting things play out because he never made it past the damage his family did
I don't agree with this at all. Season 6 and 7 Sandor had definitely moved on. He was perfectly happy to hang around helping to build Ian McShane's sept, and only left there to rejoin the Brotherhood after some of their rogue members slaughtered the village. Nothing on-screen in season 8 indicates that he had gone back to wanting revenge on his brother no matter the cost.
― Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 13:43 (four years ago) link
It seemed to me that seeing the village slaughtered proved to him that finding peace was impossible
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 13:48 (four years ago) link
xp I would buy that except for the fact he goes up the stairs to confront him! Right after saying the building is coming down!
― mh, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 14:45 (four years ago) link
he just wanted to see his weird head
― Number None, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 15:01 (four years ago) link
hmm, relatable
― mh, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 15:29 (four years ago) link
I've watched this episode now and genuinely thought it was the best since maybe season 5. The purposeless chaos in KL, characters dying without being given prestige battle death farewells, plans being useless and people being dumb, these are all good things AFAIC. The real weakness was in the few episodes leading up to it.Jon is 100% an idiot and he didn't understand the 'gods flip a coin' thing, that was one of the best moments
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 16 May 2019 08:50 (four years ago) link
It just occurred to me that the Clegane Bros falling into the fire reminded me of a flaming Denethor unceremoniously plummeting to his death in the background of a shot in The Return of the King.
― Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Thursday, 16 May 2019 13:26 (four years ago) link
I don't remember it as a background shot. My memory was that it was tracking his extremely long jog (while on fire) to the edge, and it continued to zoom out to show the battle was still happening below.
― Evan, Thursday, 16 May 2019 13:43 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i0a7RDPkM8
― Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Thursday, 16 May 2019 17:36 (four years ago) link
I was going to post that. It's pretty boring to my ears, but I was reading some comments that were all wtf re: Brad Paisley, not realizing that he is a) a secret shredder and b) at least as good a player as anyone else on that stage, and possibly better.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 16 May 2019 17:41 (four years ago) link
I was reading some comments that were all wtf re: Brad Paisley
im more like wtf dan weiss, maybe he should stop doing dead-eyed post-show interviews and take his show on the road
― i think ur a controp (voodoo chili), Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:03 (four years ago) link
just read the ep 6 spoilers and hoo boy
― Simon H., Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:27 (four years ago) link
do you mean spoilers or "spoilers" aka more fan theories?
― mh, Thursday, 16 May 2019 19:37 (four years ago) link
there's been some spoilers posted on reddit that have, thus far, been pretty much correct
― gbx, Thursday, 16 May 2019 19:37 (four years ago) link
yeah, pretty much confirmed spoilers with not much left to the imagination
― Simon H., Thursday, 16 May 2019 19:40 (four years ago) link
lol at "sounds like guitar center 1988"
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 16 May 2019 19:44 (four years ago) link
Yeah there was a production leak of the plot points of the last two episodes and everything about episode 5 ended up being correct
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 16 May 2019 19:47 (four years ago) link
yeah Paisley being a legit virtuoso is not much of a secret in my experience; he is highly regarded by many people who simultaneously hate his music.
― Pontius Pilates (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 16 May 2019 21:05 (four years ago) link
I think it kind of is a secret! At least to those who don't listen to country. That is, I was reading comments below the video on youtube (I think) and there were all these people expressing surprise to see Paisley in with all these more traditional/recognizable virtuosos. I think it's simply that those who know hard rock dudes like Nuno/Scott Ian/Morello maybe don't listen to country. Even in the video they kind of call Brad in as an afterthought, and he gets a couple of special reaction shots. I wonder if even Morello or Nuno or Scott Ian knew Brad Paisley had serious chops? (Vince Gill is another country shredder who I bet flies way under the shredder radar, but unlike Paisley I doubt he was raised on Van Halen licks).
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 16 May 2019 21:42 (four years ago) link
Meantime, the Americans are at it again (talking about other places):
https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/la-et-col1-game-of-thrones-northern-ireland-20190516-htmlstory.html
A visitor has to walk only a few minutes from the hotel to reach the Cathedral Quarter, the city’s vibrant nightlife district, where you can sip elderflower cocktails along with the more traditional pints of Guinness. The city now has plenty of craic — a.k.a. fun — to offer.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 16 May 2019 22:26 (four years ago) link
thank god belfast's wildfire problems are behind it
― FernandoHierro, Thursday, 16 May 2019 22:30 (four years ago) link
Meanwhile
More than 400,000 sign petition for Game of Thrones season eight remake https://t.co/p2Jv1nS8YI— The Guardian (@guardian) May 16, 2019
― groovypanda, Friday, 17 May 2019 07:27 (four years ago) link