HBO's adaptation of Game of Thrones - Thread 2. There are a lot of nerds.

I can't think of any character betrayals in s5 of The Wire anywhere near as egregious as, say, Jaime. Not even close.

I don't see Jaime's "arc" as being a betrayal at all? It definitely seems more consistent than Lester signing on to the serial killer plot

maybe it "betrays" a viewer's desire for consistency? For redemption? For a fictional character to be more heroic or a better person than the average human being? But when faced with the potential death/humiliation of the woman he loved for most of his life, and the option to do nothing vs. try to "save her"? This makes total sense to me.

like a "betrayal" for Jaime's character would be like him saying, "Hey, I think I'm gonna go find that guy Hot Pie and help him with his tavern! I do like a good meal."

to an extent it actually seems to fit in a bit with what happens w/a lot of cable drama dude antiheroes albeit in a more heightened theatrical fantasy way: they try to change and become better people and fail.

ha it's a total "trope" ... also the dude alienated from his ex, rushing back to save her ...

family being your downfall, not an uncommon thing in these stories. hmm

Jaime AND Cersei endings would have both been way better if she had up her sleeve a plan to use wildfire to destroy her invaders at the expense of her own people. Jaime shows up, she ends up telling him this before she goes through with it. Yadda yadda yadda, Jaime is forced to kill her for the same reason he killed the mad king. Lives up to his name, lives up to his redemption story, is the ultimate end to his struggle with himself and his relationship with his sister etc. Very painful for him. Heartfelt scene of her dying in his arms and all the conflicting feelings. Her having had any sort of sneaky plan is consistent with her character and her ruthlessness, she used wildfire before and will do it again, the people of KL hate her anyway (and her them). Would have made sense.

Meanwhile Dany goes ahead and destroys the city with her OWN fire. Oh the irony! Jaime looks on from the tower in horror. He believed, though however horribly painful it was for him to do, so much more so to do this time around, that he did the right thing and saved his people yet again. But nope, Dany is burning them all. Crushed, he jumps out the same window that Tommen did with a similar scene of destruction happening in the distance.

TBH most of the people most vocally hating on the last episode are so annoying it actually makes me want to defend it on principle.

Although I did kind of want Jaime to kill Cersei and Dany to lose her shit and be dealt with, I'm a little perplexed by the enthusiasm some viewers have for these kind of endings because they seem a bit too obvious and maybe only interesting if there are good enough additional aspects or moving close to the trope but then sidestepping it. Cant really be bothered with simple "oh dear, killed by their own flaws" or "oh dear, they can never change" endings.

My my, their Flaws proved to be their undoing! How clever!

Jamie killing Cersei wouldnt make sense to me at all.

I could maybe see him killing her because he would prefer that to her inevitable execution or killing by someone else?

Or accidentally killing her.

Although I did kind of want Jaime to kill Cersei and Dany to lose her shit and be dealt with, I'm a little perplexed by the enthusiasm some viewers have for these kind of endings because they seem a bit too obvious and maybe only interesting if there are good enough additional aspects or moving close to the trope but then sidestepping it. Cant really be bothered with simple "oh dear, killed by their own flaws" or "oh dear, they can never change" endings.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, May 19, 2019 4:19 PM (twenty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Would have been obvious yes but at least more of a compelling ending for both characters? imo

I don't have much preference for Jaime's ending, only that the handling should be good and not too simple.

HBO releasing the Game of Thrones finale

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I think Tyrion just explained to Jon that Danerys is the United States

Shit, I forgot Brutus from Rome was even in this and looking old as hell.

they said the title are you kidding me

Honestly that was mostly fine

Weird beat between the shanking and the council but other than that not objectionable.

Was expecting much worse tbqh

Considering where they brought the story to at this point.

Alright they landed the plane, but why did we need to fuck so many things to get here

I feel some sense of catharsis so I’m going to cautiously say we’ve got at least a partial success

Bran’s a very calming presence

As Ramsay said, “if you were expecting a happy ending...you’ve been paying attention quite well, actually. Good on you for paying attention!”

I mean, it’s a bittersweet beginning after a wretched ending for the people of westeros

Spoilers:

The part where Drogon burned the throne! Who knew dragons were so literal?

Ha ha ha ha aha aha! I had to legit stifle laughter through this entire episode. What trash!

This made the Ewok dance party at the end of Return of the Jedi look like Citizen Kane.

I have a confession to make.

As soon as jon and Dany kissed, I picked up my phone and completely stopped watching my tv. I had completely given up on the show and didn’t care anymore

And then I looked back and Dany was dead on her back with blood out her mouth and nose and I was like, what the fuck is going on.

I rewound twice, not going far enough back to see Jon make the move with his dagger. It was the third rewind that I went far enough back to see what happened.

what the hell was that

trash? we got zero titty shots in this one! not true game of thrones. they even shot down bronn’s (hail to bronn) sensible brothel request. reshoot it all!

we did all this to basically hold a student council election

Thought it was weird that when Sansa was like "we're gonna be independent, deuces!" not a single other House was like "oh, yeah, us too, this seven kingdoms thing is pretty new."

we did all this to basically hold a student council election

Lol, for real.

your student councils were surprisingly boring/non-Election-ish

overblown and underwhelming
at the end my gal said well at least you don't have to watch it anymore and that's when i realized that I HAVE FINALLY WON THE GAME OF THRONES

ahaha

Transition from drogon flying away with dead dany to the council meeting was the visual equivalent of saying “yadda yadda yadda”

TYRION: People love stories. And no one has a better story than Bran

ARYA, WHO LEARNED SHAPE-SHIFTING AND MURDERED THE INVINCIBLE ICE KING OF DEATH: Bran has what now

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as the dragon flew off with dany's body, this was really the only thing i could think of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FK9Z43bXbXQ

“died of penis being too small and unable to get boners disease, really sad” pic.twitter.com/5bfzpLrbFa

— Dr. Megan Simon (@myspacemegan) May 20, 2019

d&d have a bad habit of confusing stretching out a scene and giving it meaning. honestly, they could've cut ten minutes of silent starting out with a single simple pass and it wouldn't have impacted the episode in any way.

Bran=George
Jon=John
Sansa=Paul
Arya=George Martin
Sam=Ringo

I mean the ability to tell a story about someone isn’t what they did, it’s what makes their story fit the role they end in. Writing of history, etc

If there’s anyone suited to ride off into legends it’s Arya imo

I like the ending conceptually but it was carried out pretty clunkily. Made sense for Jon to end up with the free folk. I feel like if they had either taken a few more episodes or spent a bit more time writing good dialogue instead of blowing it all on CGI spectacle and long shots of silent brooding characters they could have nailed it, but they just kinda half assed it at the end. And they didn't have the books to reference, which turned out to be pretty critical.

That was unbelievably bad

Bran, the last few seasons: “I’m not Bran.”

Tyrion: “Will you wear the crown?”

Bran, now: “King Bran sounds pretty fuckin tight to me”

— Adam Jacobi (@Adam_Jacobi) May 20, 2019

I thought people complaining about the wolf a few episodes ago were missing mistaking a painfully obvious script hook for outright incompetence and it turned out that way. If you’re writing from both the beginning and the end, it’s both cheap and easy to leave people wanting in the middle because you’ve already written it in the last act.