CURRENT "BLACK FLAG" tour

Pre show music has been all Rat Pack and "Que Sera Sera".

Fail. Now i want a crooner show. It's cold and badly lit. Bring on the glasses of fake rum

I mean Ginn you're not THAT old

i'm really curious as to how his guitar playing's held up through his long period of jambandery

One Phish lick and i am setting this bar ablaze

I left 30 minutes in. Complete garbage

Ginn sounds fine. Vallely is a charisma vacuum of a vocalist, the sound was quieter than the opening act, and all half the crowd did was stand around and film it

If you have seen FLAG tour...you have seen a much better show. I actually moshed with kids half my age at that shit. This was like Kids Bop Black Flag

Keith Morris is pretty scathing about being involved in the original reunion with Ginn as Black Flag.
Says Ginn wanted to slow down tempos on everything. & saw Korn as a model for what a band should sound like.

Also that he went in expecting Chuck Dukowski and other exmembers to join but Ginn was against that from the start.
In fact seems weird that rin reyes would agree to apparently replace him. Might have thought he would have heard the negative from somewhere before joining.

lol. i did feel like a few tempos were slower. some people were going nuts over the music and i'm like far be it for me to like shit on something you like but my god, Ginn could have died onstage and I'd not noticed a difference.

but dear lord he could really improve things tenfold just by HIRING BACK ONE OF HIS ORIGINAL FRONTMEN, omg, Vallely sucks and he's also 3 feet tall so I couldn't see him over people's heads half the night

How many of his original frontmen would want the job at this point, seeing how Reyes was treated

I'm pretty sure I'd rather see the Chuck Dukowski Sextet live than GinnFlag

Yeah you would. I had so much more fun at Flag. I'd rather listen to farts than Ginn

I don't think Mike Vallely is short. Google says he's 5' 10".

More importantly, googling that led me to his skate videos, which are just as great as I remember.

It was probably a perspective issue with the stage, which wasn't raised much. From where i was standing, Ginn didn't look tall but I remembered he's like 6'5 or something. So Vallely obv would have looked much shorter in comparison despite not being Danzig-sized.

So I'll strike my fake news height comments, but vocals are definitely not his thing. He wasn't unusually bad, but it sounded like karaoke. Everybody could play their instruments but it felt so perfunctory.

The songs that worked best were post-My War tunes

Rhoda from Steubenville (Neanderthal) at 9:08 21 Jan 20
Lol this one is at a craft beer bar.

FLAG is actually pretty damn good, aged and cobbled together as it is. Saw em last year and had a lot of fun. Descendent’s guitarist totally nails the classic Ginn guitar sound, gnarly ass solos and all.

I’ve heard nothing but sad things about the “Black Flag” incarnation.

that's the other thing, Keith talked to the crowd. there was no communication with the crowd last night. not once.

the guitar also was very clean sounding. if the guitar was dialed down a smidge more, I'd have been at a Minutemen show. which is great, if they're The Minutemen playing Minutemen songs, not so much when you're a noisy-meedly-weedly punk band

but the thing that made me leave was the constant stream of assholes who kept rudely shoving (or trying to shove) by me to get to the front, until I spread my shoulders and cut off all entry points behind me. how the hell can you watch a show when you're constantly having your space invaded? only to come back minutes later so you have to do the whole charade again.

that's more a discussion for the show etiquette thread though.

Also, in regards to the ‘peace, man’ post, Fish Head Cantina is about as lame and shitty as you would expect it to be. The fact that the Ginn & Crew version were playing there told me enough about what to expect.

lol. I liked the place last night, but it's a place you go to have good beer with friends near the beach. it's horrible for a concert.

the place they're playing this weekend? a local Cafe/restaurant that has poker games and is equally awkward. these are teh places they're playing.

Flag, on the other hand, played the State Theater in St Pete and the shit sold out or damn close.

Shouldn't BLACK FLAG be able to play like real clubs? I feel like they should have two modern hardcore bands opening for them and selling out legit theaters.

You would think. It might also be intentional on Ginn's part. They just got announced as playing this big festival here in Sept that fuckin Judas Priest is playing at so clearly the ability is there.

But on the other hand, sales are so shit to Saturday's show, the owner of the venue walked into one of my best friends' cat cafes and just gave him two tickets (which are going for $35 even though it's literally at a restaurant).

My friend has zero interest in punk rock or Black Flag either

Hell even the current version of the Cro Mags is playing bigger venues here

Ugh it's all so dire

So many sentences in the world of punk rock begin with "If Greg Ginn wasn't such an asshole..."

Like when Saint Vitus albums were out of print for decades but no one else could reissue them, and probably almost every other SST band

yup :(

it's also been easy for me to forget in today's easy access media era how much it sucked when you wanted to hear an album and you legitimately had no way to fuckin hear it other than buying a used cd or vinyl in an eBay auction and paying way more than it was worth.

and hoping the cd you got wasn't a damn cd-r

Shouldn't BLACK FLAG be able to play like real clubs? I feel like they should have two modern hardcore bands opening for them and selling out legit theaters.

yeah "Gimme Gimme Gimme" was loud and raucous at Flag.

yesterday it was 30% slower than usual and it sounded like four people dicking around on it at a Sam Ash.

I also left because I refused to hear them mangle "Rise Above" or "Damaged I". they were just getting to "Six Pack" when I was leaving and someone screamed 'THIS IS THE SHIT THAT STARTED IT ALL' but he was in the bar and you can barely hear or see the show from there so...i had no idea why he was excited.

i might have left earlier if it wasn't 30 degrees outside. us Floridians cannot handle cold.

When he played around here a few months ago, it was at a place outside of town I'd never heard of before that is both a "cantina" and a "rockin' sushi bar". Which might not be so bad - I dont want to disparage this place I've never been! ...

― ☮️ (peace, man), Wednesday, January 22, 2020 11:56 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

So a Guy Fieri restaurant!?

it's weird, they played in London recently at the Electric Ballroom with Total Chaos (I mean yeah that's not a good band but they aren't unpopular) supporting. the Electric Ballroom also coincidentally where the Circle Jerks are playing this year. so it seems like they are playing appropriate venues over here

(I didn't go, because of everything I've ever read about this incarnation of Black Flag)

maybe Dukowski is still booking their US tours but he's just trying to fuck with them

but my god, Ginn could have died onstage and I'd not noticed a difference.

― Rhoda from Steubenville (Neanderthal)

i do believe that if greg ginn died, you'd notice a difference, because a lot of people would suddenly be in a celebratory mood.

Might even crack open a

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERFY8IaU4AUaa-0.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERFY8IaU4AUaa-0.jpg

LOL

bwaha

Out At The Store Today
Saw Black Flag Coupon On A Vitamin Rack
A Little Voice Inside My Head Said:
"Don't Forget The Cheese, Your Wife Asked For Monterey Jack..."

*to self*
“well shit. i wasnt gonna go but I do need multivitamins...”