"Like of course Flavor Flav has some weird ass political views that don't line up with the rest of the group."
Chuck D's remarks suggest this doesn't have anything to do with Flavor Flav's political zeal, but rather lack thereof.
― Melomane, Monday, 2 March 2020 17:14 (four years ago) link
I suppose after all this time and his many antics, they're pretty used to handle him...He'll be back after the elections !
― AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 2 March 2020 17:26 (four years ago) link
Also that Flav’s substance abuse has once again made him a difficult employee.
― Fantastic. Great move. Well done (sic), Monday, 2 March 2020 17:28 (four years ago) link
xpost
― Fantastic. Great move. Well done (sic), Monday, 2 March 2020 17:29 (four years ago) link
I think Mario’s post “Flavor Flav has some weird ass political views that don't line up with the rest of the group” must have been confusing Flavor Flav with Professor Griff.
― Melomane, Monday, 2 March 2020 17:30 (four years ago) link
nah, he said a bunch of pro-Trump nonsense during the 2016 campaign. but it's from being an a) apolitical b) idiot, not ideology.
― Fantastic. Great move. Well done (sic), Monday, 2 March 2020 17:47 (four years ago) link
https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/89254744_555480721988677_325032658125979648_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=vK9C_rPzHZQAX-58sML&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=f7edf2f55c3c3e3e233fe9731c0fdba7&oe=5EFB08C4
― Bougy! Bougie! Bougé! (Eliza D.), Monday, 2 March 2020 19:25 (four years ago) link
I'll throw my support behind "Muse-Sick-In-Our-Mess-Age" too. It's no groundbreaking landmark, but I have to disagree with anyone putting down the fine and funky production. It's like a B+ album.
― birdistheword, Monday, 2 March 2020 20:07 (four years ago) link
I always have a soft spot for Muse-Sick, it came out right as I was starting my freshman year in college and it was one of the few cassettes I had with me for the first few months before I upgraded to a Discman.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 2 March 2020 20:10 (four years ago) link
hahaha xxp
― lukas, Monday, 2 March 2020 20:10 (four years ago) link
Muse Sick's probably my third favourite after Nation and Black Planet.
― Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Monday, 2 March 2020 20:57 (four years ago) link
lmao hate to see politics ruin Public Enemy
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 2 March 2020 21:03 (four years ago) link
ppl underrate Yo! Bum Rush the Show
yeah I ignored it for years
otoh this bangshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYblg4i2HD8
― Οὖτις, Monday, 2 March 2020 21:06 (four years ago) link
head and shoulders above the album though, one of their all-time greatest
― Fantastic. Great move. Well done (sic), Monday, 2 March 2020 21:42 (four years ago) link
nb Bum Rush is good
― Fantastic. Great move. Well done (sic), Monday, 2 March 2020 21:45 (four years ago) link
Muse Sick over Bum Rush and Apocalypse 91 is a pretty good challop
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 2 March 2020 23:57 (four years ago) link
I only listened to Muse Sick maybe once when it came out, and my reaction was that it was such a weak follow-up to Apocalypse 91 (which I love/loved). Wasn't there a big deal made that it cut down on the number of samples and introduced more instruments?
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 00:11 (four years ago) link
Nation of Millions > Fear >>> Bum Rush >>> Apocalypse 91 >>> Greatest Misses >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Muse Sick > ...those guys are still around? Oof.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 00:23 (four years ago) link
That seems right but I’d flip Apocalypse 91 w/ Bum Rush
― Webcam Du Bois (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 00:28 (four years ago) link
i would flip fear and nation but yeah pretty otm
― Bstep, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 00:32 (four years ago) link
He Got Game is ok
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 00:32 (four years ago) link
I haven't listened to "He Got Game" in a while but yeah, not bad at all. It sounded like PE becoming comfortable with getting old (or at least settling into their role as the wise elders of rap). They even threw in a warbly Stephen Stills for crissakes.
― birdistheword, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 03:11 (four years ago) link
Working with Stephen Stills was enough of an aesthetic crime to almost justify retroactive cancellation of their entire body of work. Had it been David Crosby, irrevocable perma-cancellation, zero possibility of parole.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 03:42 (four years ago) link
Had it been Neil Young it woulda been dope
― sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 03:44 (four years ago) link
Like I'm sad we didn't get our "Keep on Rappin in the Free World"
― sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 03:45 (four years ago) link
Stephen Still's Manassas has some ill jawns
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 03:52 (four years ago) link
it the only op i got
― Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 13:07 (four years ago) link
I’ve probably listened to “Give It Up” more than any other single PE track
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 13:16 (four years ago) link
"Hazy Shade of Criminal" is top shelf PE, I rate it as high as Nations.
― Joey Corona (Euler), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 14:03 (four years ago) link
I shall listen to it again!
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 14:15 (four years ago) link
Wasn't there a big deal made that it cut down on the number of samples and introduced more instruments?
Apocalypse '91 was actually the turning point (a downturn afaic) in the Bomb Squad's production:
According to Hank Shocklee, around this time, the disks for every track they had been working on for the past four to five years had been stolen. As a result, they had to rush to re-create their music and to put out their album in a timely manner. Shocklee admitted that it was impossible to completely recover what they had lost, saying "once you lose all your data, it's very difficult to get that data back...you may get some of it back, but you'll never get the complete set. You won't even know what the complete set is, because there's data in there you didn't really know you had." In retrospect, he believed the loss "stunted [Public Enemy's] growth. We never really recovered after that. We was on a roll—I was on a roll, and to lose that material set me back so hard." As a result, the sound was a little leaner than the dense production of their previous albums, and live musicians became a prominent element as well.
By '94 and Muse Sick-n-Hour Mess Age they sounded like most every other rap act that was using 8-bar drum loops and single-source samples.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 16:17 (four years ago) link
and like, those albums aren't bad, but they are a pale imitation of the hyperactive density of the first three
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 16:18 (four years ago) link
CSN&Y was worthless without Neil Young, Stills and Crosby's solo careers were awful, but the Byrds and Buffalo Springfield were truly great bands, and "For What It's Worth" was Stills's song, so that work has my eternal respect.
Re: the lost disks, I heard that story too. It's heartbreaking, but at the same time, I don't want to exaggerate the negative impact it may have had on PE's work. I actually like the production on "Muse Sick-n-Hour Mess Age," but for me the lyrics and delivery really made it a lesser PE album.
― birdistheword, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 16:36 (four years ago) link
hmmm arguing about Stephen Stills in the Public Enemy thread would be extremely on brand for me but I'm going to resist
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 16:38 (four years ago) link
Re : the lost disks, wasn't it also a case of the legal context having changed and samples being much more complicated/expensive to use ?
― AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 16:39 (four years ago) link
I don't recall them getting sued specifically, but yeah after the De La and Biz Markie cases their sampling style became legally and financially problematic
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 16:47 (four years ago) link
Re: legal context, I've also wondered that myself. A lot of the legal obstacles against sampling were already falling into place, so I'm not even sure if those lost beats could've been used without complication.
BUT look at Beck's masterpiece "Odelay," which came out in 1996 - to be fair, they did have to remove a handful of samples, but the dense production is still astounding.
― birdistheword, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 16:48 (four years ago) link
by "Odelay" Beck was sampling himself/his band as much as other sources. There's some really prominent record samples but also a lot of live instrumentation.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 16:50 (four years ago) link
yeah but like clearing Van Morrison for ex. could not have been cheap
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 16:54 (four years ago) link
though i guess the label was probably (correctly) better that after loser this could be his big blockbuster album and might have been more likely to pony up
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 16:59 (four years ago) link
yup
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 17:08 (four years ago) link
by "Odelay" Beck was sampling himself/his band as much as other sources. There's some really prominent record samples but also a lot of live instrumentation.― Οὖτις, Tuesday, March 3, 2020 8:50 AM (forty-four minutes ago)
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, March 3, 2020 8:50 AM (forty-four minutes ago)
That record was almost all Dust Brothers, they have writing credits on all but 2 songs ("Lord Only Knows" & "Minus")
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 17:38 (four years ago) link
(...on top of the production & mixing credits)
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 17:39 (four years ago) link
I know that, that doesn't mean it's composed of record samples
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 17:39 (four years ago) link
"Devil's Haircut" contains a sample from "Out Of Sight" (James Brown) published by Fort Knox Music BMI, performed by Them, courtesy of the Decca Record Co.; a sample from "Soul Drums" (Bernard Purdie) published by Tenryk Music BMI, performed by Pretty Purdie, courtesy of Sony Music; and elements from "I Can Only Give You Everything" (Philip Coulter/Thomas Scott) published by Carbert Music ASCAP."Hotwax" contains a sample from "Song For Aretha" (Bernard Purdie/Horace Ott/Robert Thiele) published by Tenryk Music/Well Made Music BMI, performed by Pretty Purdie; and a sample from "Up On The Hill" (Monk Higgins/Alexandra Brown) published by Special Agent Co./Tippy Music Publishing ASCAP, performed by Monk Higgins & The Specialties, courtesy of Blue Note Records, a division of Capitol Records, Inc."Lord Only Knows" contains elements from "Lookout For Lucy" (Mike Millius/Don Thomas) published by by Southern Music Publishing Company, Inc. ASCAP performed by Mike Millius, courtesy of MCA Records, Inc."The New Pollution" contains a sample from "Venus" (Brad Baker) published by Sonny Lester Music Publishing Co. ASCAP, performed by Joe Thomas, courtesy of LAC Ltd."Jack-ass" contains a sample from "It's All Over Now, Baby Blue" (Bob Dylan) published by Special Rider Music SESAC, performed by Them, courtesy of Decca Record Co. Licensed from Exile Productions Limited."Where It's At" contains a sample from "Needle To The Groove" (Embden Toure/Khaleel Kirk) published by Hit And Hold Music, Inc. ASCAP, performed by Mantronix, courtesy of Warlock Records."Sissyneck" contains elements from "The Moog And Me" (Dick Hyman) published by Eastlake Music, Inc. ASCAP, performed by Dick Hyman, courtesy of MCA Records, Inc. and elements from "A Part Of Me" (Paris/Taylor) published by Zethus Music, administered by Chappell & Co., Inc. ASCAP. All Rights Reserved. Used by permission."Readymade" contains excerpts from "Desafinado" (Antonio Carlos Jobim/Newton Mendonca) published by Bendig Music/Carcovado Corp. BMI, performed by Laurindo Almeida And The Bossa Nova All Stars, courtesy of Blue Note Records, a division of Capitol Records, Inc."High 5 (Rock The Catskills)" contains elements from "Mr. Cool" (Vincent Willis) published by Cotillion Music Inc./NAP Publishing Co./ Sylheart Publishing Co., administered by Warner Tamerlane Publishing Co., Inc. BMI performed by Rasputin's Stash, courtesy of Atlantic Recording Corp., by arrangement with Warner Special Products, Inc.
"Hotwax" contains a sample from "Song For Aretha" (Bernard Purdie/Horace Ott/Robert Thiele) published by Tenryk Music/Well Made Music BMI, performed by Pretty Purdie; and a sample from "Up On The Hill" (Monk Higgins/Alexandra Brown) published by Special Agent Co./Tippy Music Publishing ASCAP, performed by Monk Higgins & The Specialties, courtesy of Blue Note Records, a division of Capitol Records, Inc.
"Lord Only Knows" contains elements from "Lookout For Lucy" (Mike Millius/Don Thomas) published by by Southern Music Publishing Company, Inc. ASCAP performed by Mike Millius, courtesy of MCA Records, Inc.
"The New Pollution" contains a sample from "Venus" (Brad Baker) published by Sonny Lester Music Publishing Co. ASCAP, performed by Joe Thomas, courtesy of LAC Ltd.
"Jack-ass" contains a sample from "It's All Over Now, Baby Blue" (Bob Dylan) published by Special Rider Music SESAC, performed by Them, courtesy of Decca Record Co. Licensed from Exile Productions Limited.
"Where It's At" contains a sample from "Needle To The Groove" (Embden Toure/Khaleel Kirk) published by Hit And Hold Music, Inc. ASCAP, performed by Mantronix, courtesy of Warlock Records.
"Sissyneck" contains elements from "The Moog And Me" (Dick Hyman) published by Eastlake Music, Inc. ASCAP, performed by Dick Hyman, courtesy of MCA Records, Inc. and elements from "A Part Of Me" (Paris/Taylor) published by Zethus Music, administered by Chappell & Co., Inc. ASCAP. All Rights Reserved. Used by permission.
"Readymade" contains excerpts from "Desafinado" (Antonio Carlos Jobim/Newton Mendonca) published by Bendig Music/Carcovado Corp. BMI, performed by Laurindo Almeida And The Bossa Nova All Stars, courtesy of Blue Note Records, a division of Capitol Records, Inc.
"High 5 (Rock The Catskills)" contains elements from "Mr. Cool" (Vincent Willis) published by Cotillion Music Inc./NAP Publishing Co./ Sylheart Publishing Co., administered by Warner Tamerlane Publishing Co., Inc. BMI performed by Rasputin's Stash, courtesy of Atlantic Recording Corp., by arrangement with Warner Special Products, Inc.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 17:42 (four years ago) link
(I thought you were familiar with the Dust Brothers, that's basically their entire MO)
https://www.musictech.net/guides/essential-guide/landmark-productions-beck-odelay/
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 17:43 (four years ago) link
tons and tons of instrumentation
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 17:44 (four years ago) link
I mean, that's what makes it interesting tbh - it's not a repeat of Paul's Boutique, it's way more of a mishmash of different approaches and techniques.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 17:46 (four years ago) link