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Not really blues + x = something more, more like the combination of blues elements in that manner leads to something other than blues.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Wednesday, 23 April 2003 15:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

yeah i agree. still doesn't explain why you said that ''its all blues'' (sorry to be picky) in your v first post to this thread.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 23 April 2003 15:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

'cause it is all blues -- that is, all the elements are blues elements -- but blues elements put together in that manner leads to Trout Mask Replica, of which it is incomplete to say that it's a blues record.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Wednesday, 23 April 2003 15:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

The great Beefheart debate.

I rank them:
1-Decals
2-Doc
3-TMR
4-Clear Spot
5-Safe as Milk
6-Ice Cream
7-Spotlight Kid
8-Shiny Beast
9-Strictly Personal
10-Mirror Man
11-Bluejeans & Moonbeams
12-Unconditionally

I've listened to him a lot and I couldn't tell you what it is or what it isn't. There is something incomplete about a lot of it, which isn't a bad thing; the production is almost always bad, except on the last 3 and "Clear Spot." "Decals" really suffers from the shitty bass and drum sound, since the bass and drum playing on that one is amazing. I regard "Decals" as the best because it's the most concise and focused. "Doc" sounds flat (esp. on the Caroline CD I have) but "Dirty Blue Gene" pretty sums up what I like about Beefheart, and overall I think the words on that one are his best by far. Only thing that makes it less than perfect is his voice--he's still funny but the old power and range just ain't there any more.
Zappa once said that CB had a bad sense of rhythm. FZ generally makes me urp but he's right in this case. The weird thing about Beef is the way the music works against itself; there's something horribly thwarted in a lot of it and you sense he's just impatient. The thing that saves it, usually, is the sense as well that he's aware of it but can do nothing about it except to mock his own impulses, constantly, and only occasionally does something really unifed and fairly un-neurotic emerge, like "Click Clack" or the "Clear Spot" album or the great "Best Batch Yet." But Beef's bad rhythm is not really bad in the sense that ordinary folks have bad rhythm--it's more like Howlin' Wolf's slightly off sense of what's happening, metrically, and I've always thought that Beef internalized some of this, and actually did a very strange and cool thing by internalizing all the wrong and oblique aspects of "blues" and came out with what he came out with.

Jess Hill (jesshill), Wednesday, 23 April 2003 16:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

Am I crazy for loving "Strictly Personal"?

J (Jay), Wednesday, 23 April 2003 16:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

Am I crazy for loving "Strictly Personal"?

-- J

No--I like it a lot too and it's cool as a response to various things happening at the same time (Beatles, blues revival shit, etc.). In many ways it's his most rockin' album before "Clear Spot."

Jess Hill (jesshill), Thursday, 24 April 2003 13:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

''"Decals" really suffers from the shitty bass and drum sound''

sounds OK to me.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 24 April 2003 13:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

I was duly put down by this remark:
"'seems more informed by Zappa's take on XX century atonal music'
Yeah, like Zappa informed Beefheart's music one iota."

-- Dadaismus (kcoyne3...), April 23rd, 2003. (later)

anyone care to discuss this?

Fabrice (Fabfunk), Thursday, 24 April 2003 13:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

''"Decals" really suffers from the shitty bass and drum sound''

sounds OK to me.

-- Julio Desouza

Sounds OK but not good. Barely acceptable. Sorta works to reinforce the weird vaudeville vibe of the record, I guess. The pitter-pat of little tap-dancing feet or something.

Jess Hill (jesshill), Thursday, 24 April 2003 13:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

you can tell there wasn't a very heavy effort on the drums here, but "doctor dark" and "bellerin plain" have some great drumming aspecialy "doctor dark" wich has amazing drumming, John French was some unique drummer.

rexJr., Thursday, 24 April 2003 14:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

Well having two drummers on "Decals" just doesn't work. You don't really need two drummers with John French (or Art Tripp for that matter) on board.

Dadaismus, Thursday, 24 April 2003 14:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

having two drummers does work (used to really good effect on certain tracks, I'll check which when i get home) and the bass and drums sound OK as in 'def acceptable' to me.

Beefheart uses undistorted guitar sound. I can def hear the bass on this. It may not be as 'full on' but it doesn't need to be here.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 24 April 2003 14:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

three years pass...
http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/images/captainbeefflaps.jpg

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 02:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Neon Meate Dream Of A Paris Hilton

Scourage (Haberdager), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 02:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Doctor Demento? What the fuck was I thinking?

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 02:18 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...
So wait, is Dadaismus THE K Coyne?

sleeve version 2.0 (sleeve testing), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 02:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes, I faked my own death

Am I Re-elected Yet? (Dada), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 07:32 (seventeen years ago) link

six months pass...
the world needs a Beefheart best record poll (?!)

Zeno, Sunday, 22 April 2007 04:37 (seventeen years ago) link

or maybe it's too obvious that "doc at the radar" will win so whats the point.

Zeno, Sunday, 22 April 2007 04:37 (seventeen years ago) link

IT IS NOT

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 22 April 2007 04:38 (seventeen years ago) link

let the poll decide 'bout that

Zeno, Sunday, 22 April 2007 04:39 (seventeen years ago) link

I just listened to Doc all the way through driving today. I've always loved Ashtray Heart but it never dawned on me the degree to which this is a great album.

filthy dylan, Sunday, 22 April 2007 04:47 (seventeen years ago) link

'Doc at the Radar" is clearly his best. "Sue Egypt" might be my favorite song of his.

baaderonixx, Sunday, 22 April 2007 09:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Nope.

Jack Burton, Sunday, 22 April 2007 11:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Trout Mask Replica not best? Hmmm, what's going on here?

sonderangerbot, Sunday, 22 April 2007 18:54 (seventeen years ago) link

What the...?

Jack Burton, Sunday, 22 April 2007 19:06 (seventeen years ago) link

three months pass...

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Telephone thing, Monday, 30 July 2007 04:24 (sixteen years ago) link

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Telephone thing, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 04:09 (sixteen years ago) link

I've listened to the The Spotlight Kid/Clear Spot two-on one disc more than anything else by Beefheart. It is all good, but this one is the one I listen to the most. The song by Beefheart that seems to pop up in my head the most is "Gimme Dat Harp Boy".

earlnash, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 04:23 (sixteen years ago) link

I will stop posting these when they stop being so awesome.

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Telephone thing, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 05:38 (sixteen years ago) link

hang on. "Ryan Adams" is "writing" this?

Mark G, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 06:47 (sixteen years ago) link

Nah, not Ryan Adams, just a character who happens to be named Ryan. The author of the comic is John Allison, the rest of it is on http://www.scarygoround.com/.

Telephone thing, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 18:19 (sixteen years ago) link

Also responsible for this classic Achewood guest spot.

Telephone thing, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 18:23 (sixteen years ago) link

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Telephone thing, Thursday, 2 August 2007 04:01 (sixteen years ago) link

Are you John Allison?

Drooone, Thursday, 2 August 2007 04:03 (sixteen years ago) link

Nah, just someone who finds these amusing and has nothing better to do with himself at 11 PM on a weeknight.

Telephone thing, Thursday, 2 August 2007 04:09 (sixteen years ago) link

Keep 'em coming, yeah!

Mark G, Thursday, 2 August 2007 06:58 (sixteen years ago) link

I've listened to the The Spotlight Kid/Clear Spot two-on one disc more than anything else by Beefheart

I still haven't really gotten into this one. I never seem to be in the mood for it. If I want to hear an album like this, I'd be more likely to put on Little Feat.

o. nate, Thursday, 2 August 2007 15:39 (sixteen years ago) link

Nice comparison, that, considering they shared a label and producer and Roy Estrada.

Myonga Vön Bontee, Thursday, 2 August 2007 16:35 (sixteen years ago) link

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fin

Telephone thing, Friday, 3 August 2007 05:01 (sixteen years ago) link

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Mark G, Friday, 3 August 2007 08:28 (sixteen years ago) link

As a five-year ILX lurker I am very proud to have my comics linked on I Love Music!!

John Allison, Friday, 3 August 2007 22:30 (sixteen years ago) link

Oh wow! Sorry to steal your bandwidth, just figured that the folks 'round here would be appreciative :)

Telephone thing, Saturday, 4 August 2007 02:03 (sixteen years ago) link

three years pass...

This is an unbelievable performance:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghg13ZObXJk

Never heard the song before, I'm guessing it's from one of the less well regarded Beefheart albums.

A brownish area with points (chap), Wednesday, 20 October 2010 02:17 (thirteen years ago) link

You should see the concert footage from around that time in which he's wearing a sweater with a picture of himself on it.

Trip Maker, Wednesday, 20 October 2010 02:56 (thirteen years ago) link

one year passes...

Wait. "Gimmee Dat Harp Boy" is about Bob "The Bear" Hite??

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Monday, 14 November 2011 04:50 (twelve years ago) link

Apparently, yes, the story behind it's pretty amusing

R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Monday, 14 November 2011 10:45 (twelve years ago) link

Do tell

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Monday, 14 November 2011 15:34 (twelve years ago) link

He was at a club in LA with, I think it was Gary Marker, and Canned Heat were playing and Beefheart was getting increasingly annoyed because, according to Marker, he hated anyone working in vaguely similar areas to himself - you know, white guy singing blues based material and running to fat. He was saying stuff like, "What's that fat guy doing up there singing all those songs by dead black men?" (the rage of Caliban!) and eventually "Hey, gimme that harp, boy, ain't no fat man's toy". Story goes gomething like that anyway.

R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Monday, 14 November 2011 15:44 (twelve years ago) link


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