John Petrucci brings you...ROCK DISCIPLINE (a picture thread if the pictures can fit)

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ROLL ME UNDER I'M NOT AFRAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 03:46 (nineteen years ago) link

What of "Modes: No More Mystery"?

Jimmy Mod, Man About Towne (ModJ), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 04:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Eh, maybe I'll write that one tomorrow. I haven't watched it yet.
That DVD -thankfully- is only 65 minutes long.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 04:16 (nineteen years ago) link

OH MAN I'M WATCHING IT NOW AND IT'S ALREADY WAY THE FUCK FUNNIER AND WEIRDER THAN THE PETRUCCI DVD!!!!!
.....I'll tell you why tomorrow.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 04:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Heh heh heh.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 04:54 (nineteen years ago) link

man, i'm really looking forward to the "Interactive Tour of John's Guitar"

Lt. Kingfish Del Pickles (Kingfish), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 05:50 (nineteen years ago) link

I went ahead and wrote up the Modes thing tonight, as there was relatively little to say after the incredibly bizzare intro detailed below.


First a bio for people who don't know who Frank Gambale is (I didn't):
Frank Gambale is best-known for his fiery work with Chick Corea's Elektric Band. He was a student at the Guitar Institute of Technology while in his early twenties, wrote instructional books, and during 1983-1986, was on the school's faculty. He joined Corea in 1986, has also performed with Steve Smith's Vital Information, and has been a leader on his own rock-oriented dates for JVC. A collaboration with bassist Stu Hamm and drummer Steve Smith was another fruitful venture for Gambale, spawning several discs between the three that became increasingly ambitious as time went by.

OK, the thing about this DVD is that since it's basically an hour long lecture on one subject, it's not really conducive to a play by play the way the Petrucci one is.
Also, Gambale seems an affable, knowledgeable chap who doesn't really deserve or even inspire the kind of ridicule I gave to Petrucci. The post I made above really just applies to the intro, as the rest of it is heavy theory stuff that seems very well researched and thorough, and will actually take a few viewings for me to digest.
I will however, describe what led me to make that previous post:

The DVD opens with some incredibly cheap looking titles. I mean white on blue with no attempt at real graphic design whatsoever.
We then fade in to Frank Gambale playing a bright yellow Ibanez with many stickers on it (the same one shown on the DVD cover).
He is wearing a HOT PINK TWEETY BIRD T-SHIRT TUCKED INTO LEATHER PANTS WITH A BELT. Tweety is flying an airplane and wearing an aviator cap in the shirt picture. This is the kind of shirt that you would get your ass kicked for wearing to school in fourth grade.

It must be said that Gambale is one of the ugliest motherfuckers I have ever seen in my life. It's like Bea Arthur got gangbanged by Lou Reed, Hank Azaria, Johnny Cash and Richard Kline and their semen all magically mixed together and begat this hideous man. His hair is different from the DVD cover, looking rather like...well, Bea Arthur's in Golden Girls with a bad dye job.

So he's standing there playing along to a cheese ballad backing track (surprise!), and the lead lines he's playing wouldn't be out of place in some 80's TV drama theme song. That is to say until he begins shredding. When he does this it comes off so fluid and effortless that it makes Petrucci look like a total fucking pussy. Even more of one I mean. This is a jazz cat we're dealing with here - prog metal dinks can fuck right off.

He's there playing lead guitar to this track, shaking his fat middle-aged hips in this ridiculous getup, making little movements with his mouth that resemble a baby bird chirping for its food, singing along with his guitar line occasionally. THIS GOES ON FOR SIX AND A HALF MINUTES, and he still hasn't said a word. Fade out.

Fade in to Gambale playing a PINBALL MACHINE. He's got three of them lined up against the wall of the music room in what is apparently his house. He loses his ball, we are meant to assume, and then "notices" the camera. He's still wearing the pink Tweety shirt tucked into the leather pants...
"Hi, I'm Frank Gambale! Welcome to my new video!"
He speaks in a HIGH, LILTING AND SLIGHTLY EFFEMINATE AUSTRALIAN ACCENT! I almost lost my shit when he started talking.
"I'm not always working on the guitar or playing guitar, sometimes I'm playing pinball too! It's another one of my loves! Anyway I've just spent the last few months working on a subject for this video that we're gonna do that I think is a really important music subject that most guitar players aren't too clear on. The subject of modes. That's what we're gonna be dealing with right after I get done with this game. So let's get down to it!"
Then he goes back to playing pinball. Fade out.

Fade in to Gambale sitting in front of his recording gear with a HOT PINK Ibanez that does NOT match the hot pink of his tweety bird T-shirt, making the guitar look slightly orange by contrast. At this point the video goes into an intense modal theory lecture for nearly an hour that I'm sure will be of great use to me once I can get my head around it.

The video ends with a clip of him singing and playing one of his songs which sounds quite like Steely Dan. He even sings a bit like Donald Fagan. So, good on him. It's a lot better than Dream Theater.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 06:49 (nineteen years ago) link

(the bonus features include incredible performances by Allan Holdsworth and Joe Pass for no apparent reason. I'm glad they're there, they pretty much double the value of this thing.)

AaronHz (AaronHz), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 07:17 (nineteen years ago) link

One last thing from the Gambale DVD. There is another performance clip featuring Gambale's hotshit fusion trio in concert. This is a quite recent clip featuring an much older, fatter (but somehow much less uglier) Frank Gambale. He has a decent hairdo and some facial hair.
Anyways this clip is fuckin smokin', and Gambale can DEFINITELY play circles around Petrucci - it's even more evident here. The drummer and bassist were equally adept.
I might even have to get some of this dude's CDs now, fuck!

AaronHz (AaronHz), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 07:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Good write-up.

Jeez. I wonder if Chris DeGarmo ever put one of these out.

Lt. Kingfish Del Pickles (Kingfish), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 16:54 (nineteen years ago) link

I want David Fair to make one of these.

n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 17:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Heh, yeah or Dot Wiggins.
Can you imagine what a Kurt Cobain one would have been like?
"Hi, I'm Kurt Cobain. Welcome to my video.
Let's first make sure everyone knows what the power chord is:
Root........and fifth. There.
Ok, you're all set! Thanks for buying my video!"
END

AaronHz (AaronHz), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 18:05 (nineteen years ago) link

"Please note (no pun intended) that guitar solos must always follow the main vocal melody of the song note for note."

n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 18:29 (nineteen years ago) link

"I hate myself."

n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 18:29 (nineteen years ago) link

they're easier to remember that way

Lt. Kingfish Del Pickles (Kingfish), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 21:56 (nineteen years ago) link

This is one of the best things I've ever read here, thanx Aaron!

They shd perhaps do a noel gallagher one.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 16 September 2004 10:00 (nineteen years ago) link

post more!

Lt. Kingfish Del Pickles (Kingfish), Thursday, 16 September 2004 10:32 (nineteen years ago) link

The BB King and "Fretboard Logic" DVDs don't seem to have much in the way of comedic fodder. I haven't watched them all the way through yet, but...
I watched the first third of BB King (it's three seperate volumes on one DVD, the whole thing adds up to about 3 1/2 hours), and on the strength of the first volume I can say that this feels like the genuine best of the bunch - from the content to the production values.

BB King is such a gracious and modest person here it will just kill you. He is interviewed by a fawning fanboy Guitar World contributor throughout, and everytime fanboy says something about how great BB is, he just kind of puts his head down and blushes and says, "well...thank you".

The interview segments consist of BB and fanboy sitting down with their guitars, and BB will demonstrate licks and techniques to fanboy's accompaniment, explain where he got this and that idea from, etc. These segments are broken up by performance footage every 20 minutes or so, including a smokin' rendition of "Nobody Loves Me But My Mother".

The thing that really cracks me up about this DVD is that here we have BB King, a musician who is 1000 times more respected than a guy like who Petrucci who's devoted his life to learning every flash bastard technique under the sun could ever dream of being, and he's sitting here going "Well, I'm not actually very good with my fingers..." when attempting (and more or less failing) to demonstrate the old school country blues shuffle, and saying things like "Well, you should learn to play in every position.........of course I never did." This serves as a valuable lesson to anyone who may not know better: You don't have to know all that Berklee/GIT bullshit to be considered a good guitarist, just be yourself and be original and make the best of what you know how to do.
I recommend this DVD to anyone with even a passing interest in guitar.

There's not much to say about "Fretboard Logic" except that the producion values are rock bottom. It looks like something you'd see on Public Access or PBS in the middle of the night. It's basically just some totally nondescript guy running through fretboard memorization stuff like the CAGED sequence etc. and will be valuable to anyone who needs to learn this kind of thing.

If there's anything else of note once I've watched these in full, I'll report back.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 16 September 2004 19:09 (nineteen years ago) link

You must keep reviewing. We command it.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 16 September 2004 19:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Heh. Well, I may very well become addicted to these guitar DVDs. Whenever I get another one I'll post a write up here, how's that?

Maybe we can change the parenthetical bit in the thread title from (a picture thread if the pictures can fit) to (Guitar DVDs reviewed HERE) or something like that.
I'd encourage anyone else who collects these to post reviews here as well.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 16 September 2004 19:34 (nineteen years ago) link

the hubert sumlin one with david johansen as howlin' wolf (for three songs) is really good.

dan (dan), Thursday, 16 September 2004 19:35 (nineteen years ago) link

DOES THAT REALLY EXIST? IT SOUNDS FUCKIN AWESOME!

AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 16 September 2004 19:40 (nineteen years ago) link

THIS ONE? (VHS only, fuck)
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000050FGN.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 16 September 2004 19:44 (nineteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
We need more reports.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 9 October 2004 12:52 (nineteen years ago) link

I haven't bought any more yet, but somebody out there has gotta have some of these things. C'mon, don't be shy. Post a review!

AaronHz (AaronHz), Saturday, 9 October 2004 18:59 (nineteen years ago) link

HOLY SHIT GUYS!
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0001WANWW.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

I am SO totally buying this one, I didn't even know it existed!
Maybe I'll actually learn to play that Casio sitting in the corner gathering dust.
Fagen is a big time hero for me. Wow.

A Million Talking Hot Dogs (AaronHz), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 23:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Gain rare insight into the musical thinking of one of the most influential popular songwriters and arrangers in America. Donald Fagen analyses three Steely Dan hits ("Chain Lightning," "Peg," "Josie") and two solo works from his Grammy-nominated album Kamakiriad ("On The Dunes," "Teahouse On The Tracks"). These songs use familiar blues and R&B structures, and Donald explains how, by altering the bass line and chordal qualities, he transformed them into sophisticated jazz-rock compositions. You'll trace the development of increasingly complex pieces as Donald and Warren Bernhardt reveal each tune's singular structure, harmonic and rhythmic characteristic, intro ideas and other devices.

Wow, oh wow.

A Million Talking Hot Dogs (AaronHz), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 23:04 (nineteen years ago) link

I can't wait to go into band practice and turn all of our familiar blues and r&b structures into sophisticated jazz-rock! They'll thank me for it later.

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 23:10 (nineteen years ago) link

NO HATING ON THE DAN

A Million Talking Hot Dogs (AaronHz), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 23:11 (nineteen years ago) link

I love how thrilled he looks to be there.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 23:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Does he ever NOT look like that, though?

A Million Talking Hot Dogs (AaronHz), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 23:16 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.billrotelladrumbeatings.com/accbound.jpg

Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 21 October 2004 00:19 (nineteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Donald Fagen DVD ordered yesterday. I should be able to post a review by next week.

Every country has their stupid (AaronHz), Monday, 15 November 2004 04:37 (nineteen years ago) link

omg

results not typical (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 15 November 2004 06:37 (nineteen years ago) link

The secret theme of all these videos is, of course, Ageing in Los Angeles. Perhaps someone should make that video. Topics covered:

* How to turn hours of solitude in a Los Angeles bungalow into 'guitar practice', and thus build up a 'personal style' that makes you sound exactly like every other lonely Angeleno guitarist.
* How to turn outdated riffs, gimmicks and tricks into a 'timeless' system of 'correct playing'.
* How to overcome social isolation in your LA bungalow by arranging meetings with Warner Brothers executives to talk about issuing instructional videos that other lonely Angelinos will watch.
* Dress tips for retirement in Los Angeles.

Momus (Momus), Monday, 15 November 2004 08:42 (nineteen years ago) link

These songs use familiar [negro] structures, and [a Jewish person] explains how, by altering the bass line and chordal qualities, he transformed them into sophisticated [Jewish] compositions. You'll trace the development of increasingly complex pieces as [two Jewish people] reveal each tune's singular structure, harmonic and rhythmic characteristic, intro ideas and other devices.

The essential fallacy of all these videos is the prog rock fallacy: that 'increasingly complex' is 'better'.

Momus (Momus), Monday, 15 November 2004 08:51 (nineteen years ago) link

It's all parrrttt
of my prog-rock fallacyyyyyyyy

kingfish (Kingfish), Monday, 15 November 2004 09:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Then again, the iconography of the John Petrucci cover is not saying that 'more complex is better'. It's saying 'Obey, dork, I am your dark S&M master!'

Momus (Momus), Monday, 15 November 2004 09:30 (nineteen years ago) link

i wonder how old that cover photo is. i'm thinking no earlier than 1993, and no later than 1997.

kingfish (Kingfish), Monday, 15 November 2004 09:33 (nineteen years ago) link

It's from 1995.

"It sets the metronome at 210 or else it gets the hose again."

Every country has their stupid (AaronHz), Monday, 15 November 2004 09:36 (nineteen years ago) link

These songs use familiar [negro] structures, and [a Jewish person] explains how

zzzzzzzzzz

roffle at aaron's post

results not typical (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 15 November 2004 13:34 (nineteen years ago) link

five months pass...
breathe...

Jimmy Mod Knows You Eat Your Own Farts (ModJ), Saturday, 23 April 2005 23:34 (nineteen years ago) link

We never got our Fagen DVD review! Maybe when Aar0n gets back.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Sunday, 24 April 2005 00:06 (nineteen years ago) link

It must be said that Gambale is one of the ugliest motherfuckers I have ever seen in my life. It's like Bea Arthur got gangbanged by Lou Reed, Hank Azaria, Johnny Cash and Richard Kline and their semen all magically mixed together and begat this hideous man. His hair is different from the DVD cover, looking rather like...well, Bea Arthur's in Golden Girls with a bad dye job.

This the very definition of "funny becuase its true."

Ash (ashbyman), Sunday, 24 April 2005 04:19 (nineteen years ago) link

nine months pass...
A beautiful thread still.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 5 February 2006 06:04 (eighteen years ago) link

kinda bittersweet

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 5 February 2006 06:52 (eighteen years ago) link

These songs use familiar [negro] structures, and [a Jewish person] explains how

Aw come on, Jersey and Staten Island Eye-talians control like half the market on this

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Sunday, 5 February 2006 06:58 (eighteen years ago) link

hahaha hurting is so otm

the petronas towers (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 5 February 2006 10:37 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
wow, i am in awe of this thread. is there a Brit equivalent of these DVD series? I want "Round the old Joanna with Damon Albarn" and "Nicking Slade riffe for the intermedidiate Scally with Noel Gallagher", STAT!

CharlieNo4, Thursday, 19 April 2007 11:21 (seventeen years ago) link


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