Frank Ocean, 'Boys Don't Cry'

j0rdan's praise wasn't entirely unreserved, ignore that adjective

xp. might be wrong about the former, not the latter, lol

no it's ok i have very little reservation about praising frank ocean

probably young enough to count as a 'kid' here (i am 25, pretty sure i'm one of the youngest active posters?) and while channel orange was quite good, blonde was one of the most frustrating albums released last decade. it has plenty of fantastic moments, but it's also incredibly inconsistent and fragmented, a lot of what it's trying to do just doesn't work at all for me. and endless is just not very good. it's felt like the mythology around him has long outgrown the actual music

are you going to complain about ilm not liking say, the life of pablo or kids see ghosts enough too idk

no they're shit

endless is very good though

I did this podcast where we were talking about him and I listened for a couple weeks to both albums a lot and definitely "got" it in a new way that i hadn't before

though I guess I came away with the non-majority opinion that Channel Orange > Blonde but I liked both

it has a very "California" vibe that I'm a sucker for

My partner on the episode was a younger millennial and she talked about hearing Orange and getting really into him and then waiting on line at a special in store event for Blonde and feeling like that record was a really special thing in her life

which talking to her about it made me like it more in a way

blonde was a very important record for a lot of people my age, and i did eventually appreciate it, but as evidenced by my posts in this thread, it took a little time.

voodoo I hope you like frank ocean the correct amount

xps well you can make exactly the same case that it's just generational that ilm doesn't like tlop and ksg so if you want the frank sceptics to engage you should probably at least try to sell people on his merits rather than complaining about a generational divide

channel orange is >>> to me but it's also a top 5 record of the 2010s for me easy

i haven't put blonde on for a while... it's kind of a morose record, largely about isolation and disaffection... it's kind of a whole thing to put it on for me. i guess channel orange is about those things too but it has that sun dappled california feel and character driven songs so it's easier to just put on

voodoo I hope you like frank ocean the correct amount

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blonde, more like goldilocks

xpost jord that was it for me, like blonde seemed like a deeper record but I don't really want to be in that headspace compared to orange

xpost kanye is 43 I feel like ppl forget his age

43 year old 3 year old

loved ocean's prior work but blonde, even after multiple listens, is just a nonstarter for me.

Looks like no one really said anything about "DHL" when it was posted upthread, but the second half of that track is incredibly addictive, my favorite thing he's done in rap mode. Really seemed like a new album was coming soon coming soon, don't know what happened

I’m 50 and I still adore Blond, it was a very important record to me at the time, flaws and all. So impatient for the next one, which I thought was about to drop at the start of 2020.

frank ocean is the most overrated and overvalued pop singer in a long time.

and he's still able to manage at least two or three songs every album that are complete smashes. so idk.

i'm an old white man, btw.

you'd be mad to pull frank to bits. what is to criticize? coolest contemporary voice in music. his vocal alone is enough to warrant status. blonde, i can't think of a better full length from the last decade that's so of its time...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qKP32GYiks

still think Nikes is not a good song tho

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RIP Pepsi

you'd be mad to pull frank to bits. what is to criticize? coolest contemporary voice in music. his vocal alone is enough to warrant status. blonde, i can't think of a better full length from the last decade that's so of its time.

RIP criticism

i mean cool, opinions, good, i wanna hear you tell me what's bad about it. it's deliberately fragmented, confused, emotional, delicate. aloof... it's a fine self-portrait. feels like an elliott smith record to me or something - i'd say that without the sample in there, too

The bloodline to singer-songwriter stuff is exactly what puts me off, actually, so otm.

or, as i like to say: one man's trash is another man's less smelly trash.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61fhqJRhbhL._SY355_.jpg

i rest my case.