New Christgau Consumer Guide From MSN Music

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pomenitul, Saturday, 13 March 2021 18:00 (three years ago) link

I find Joe Levy funny in these last two editions. He's pretty sly at deflating Christgau--like the way he pushes back on the idea that he hates What's Going On, and then goes on to pretty much say exactly that. (I actually agree with Christgau on the album: three amazing songs plus stuff I can't remember.)

clemenza, Saturday, 13 March 2021 18:02 (three years ago) link

I guess I've just never quite understood the Dolls as much more than a concept, let alone as a band anyone would say is vying to be their absolute favorite. Those albums are good, I just don't think they're *that* good. Maybe you had to be there.

Funny, this is exactly what I would say about the Ramones! (I’m not a huge Dolls fan, but I would take them over the Ramones any day.)

beer drops on my keytar (morrisp), Saturday, 13 March 2021 18:30 (three years ago) link

To be clear, the snooty knee-jerk anti-Americans have been on the wave for several decades now.

Interesting. My first time in Paris was during the tail end of the (second) Bush years, and I was surprised how many Parisians my age didn't seem anti-American at all. Almost to a fault - McDonald's seemed depressingly popular - but I remember they were all enthusiastically planning to visit L.A. or NYC or just came back from there, and that stuck out after putting up with "freedom fry" twits in America. I think soon after I saw a new film (Assayas's Summer Hours?) where they mention how the "kids" these days were all into American things. Maybe it's a generational thing?

birdistheword, Saturday, 13 March 2021 19:00 (three years ago) link

Ah now I see the "wane" correction, I thought it was on the upswing!

birdistheword, Saturday, 13 March 2021 19:00 (three years ago) link

I love What's Going On, as much as I love Sgt. Pepper. Neither would be among my top 3 albums of their respective years, but they're still great albums in my book. The "3 songs + filler" is the most common knock on What's Going On but I didn't learn to hear past that when I stopped trying to judge it by the individual parts. It's hard to explain, but it's like a book where you have scenes or chapters that don't feel remarkable out of context, but without them, the book isn't a masterpiece. Like you need to read those to get the whole thing. The album works brilliantly for me as a stream-of-consciousness immersion into a stoned, traumatized mind, but that's only if I hear it all - that narrative doesn't actually reveal itself without swimming through the entire first side.

birdistheword, Saturday, 13 March 2021 19:08 (three years ago) link

*hear past that until I stopped trying to judge it by the individual parts

birdistheword, Saturday, 13 March 2021 19:10 (three years ago) link

Oh, I get that, it's just a bore for me after the three sinles.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 13 March 2021 22:45 (three years ago) link

*singles

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 13 March 2021 22:45 (three years ago) link

The Paula Deen of American Rock Critics TM

"The Pus/Worm" by The Smiths (hardcore dilettante), Sunday, 14 March 2021 05:54 (three years ago) link


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