S/D: Gay movies of arty qualities

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what's the deal w jackass 2?

― teeny (teeny), Saturday, 6 January 2007 22:57 (seventeen years ago) link

NEWSIES

― Abbott (Abbott), Saturday, 6 January 2007 23:05 (seventeen years ago) link

(x-post) It's sort of a weird crypto AIDS movie in which gayness is surpressed with self-imposed body abuse. Until the finale, when the thin line is crossed and it sucks big time.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 6 January 2007 23:06 (seventeen years ago) link

'Boys in the Band' is great at conjuring up a long-gone past.

― Bob Six (bobbysix), Sunday, 7 January 2007 12:49 (seventeen years ago) link

well, so is Private Idaho

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 January 2007 15:50 (seventeen years ago) link

jackass 2 may be gay, but it sure isn't arty.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Monday, 8 January 2007 15:51 (seventeen years ago) link

There are a bunch of similar-ish French gay arty movies, generally about confused young working class men who get their kit off and have angst re their masculinity/ sexuality/ hottness etc etc

I am thinking of Presque Rien (studenty bloke has failed suicide attempt and thinks back to holiday gay romance that lead him to it), Le Clan (hot brothers have various types of angst), Wild Side (pre op tranny brings her two boyfriends to help look after her sick mum) etc. They are all quite slow and elliptical but worth watching

― Mark Co (Markco), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:14 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah, Le Clan had its moments but was mostly worth it for the beefcake (directed by one actor from Wild Reeds, starring another -- same with the similarly meh Full Speed).

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New print of Becket about to show in NYC.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh man, I LOVE Newsies but my sister got dibs on the VHS copy. I surrendered it for the tape of "Treasure Island" with Charleton Heston and 16 year-old Christian Bale.

― Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:24 (seventeen years ago) link

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Le Clan was pretty ridiculous in the amount of nudity in it, not that I was complaining. Agree that Full Speed was pretty meh

Presque Rien is probably the best of the ones I mentioned and also stars that same actor (Stephane Rideaux?).

― Mark Co (Markco), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:27 (seventeen years ago) link

yes, Rideau -- he's good in Wild Reeds and always a visual treat.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Is he gay? He was rather fetching in the awful American-style-artiness of Come Undone.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:31 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm not sure but yes, he is v foxy. He seems to be typecast as gay rough trade anyway. He was in an Ozon film too, though I haven't seen it yet.

That other Ozon film about the bloke dying of cancer (Time to Leave) = another arty gay type film

― Mark Co (Markco), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:38 (seventeen years ago) link

The Ozon film is so bad I had to throw up with embarrassment, not least for what he does to Jeanne Moreau.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:44 (seventeen years ago) link

oh foo! Moreau is not allowed to go makeupless a la Dench?

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:49 (seventeen years ago) link

the subplot where he fathers a kid after some waitress in a caff decides that he looks nice is surely the worst part of that film

the bit with Jeanne M was the only bit that made me feel a bit tearful

― Mark Co (Markco), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:51 (seventeen years ago) link

I can't be objective, as I have been in lust with Melvil Poupaud since Tale of Summer. I agree on the child thing, but I thought making him such a prick mostly worked.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:55 (seventeen years ago) link

He is v handsome but a bit too skinny for my taste (like, even before he had film cancer)

A quick look at wikipedia and Stephane Rideau appears to be straight (he has a girlfriend and a kid at any rate)

― Mark Co (Markco), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:58 (seventeen years ago) link

The Moreau section is Old Lady Award Baiting. In a British film Lynn Redgrave would played her part.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 8 January 2007 16:58 (seventeen years ago) link

or Sarah Miles!

― Mark Co (Markco), Monday, 8 January 2007 17:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Does anymore remember this Spanish film from a few years back about two teenage boys trying to come into terms with their sexuality during a summer holiday? It was pretty good, but I can't recall its name... If I remember correctly, the movie title was the word they used for mutual masturbation, but the word itself escapes me.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 8 January 2007 17:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Nico & Dani? The blond was delicious.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 8 January 2007 17:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, that's it, thanks! (The original title is "Krámpack".)

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 8 January 2007 17:33 (seventeen years ago) link

By the way, I just saw Shortbus a couple of weeks ago, and it was pretty good. Lots of straight action in it too.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 8 January 2007 17:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Many of the films being mentioned in the recent posts look suspiciously less like art and more like gay arthouse.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 8 January 2007 18:29 (seventeen years ago) link

What's the difference?

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 8 January 2007 18:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Arthouse = boutique = not art but decoration.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 8 January 2007 18:32 (seventeen years ago) link

And by "art" you mean...?

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 8 January 2007 18:35 (seventeen years ago) link

I think he means we should stop short of The Broken Hearts Club.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 January 2007 18:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes, I started the thread talking about Genet and Anger. I'm not sure we need to go down the road of Eurocute coming out fairy tales.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 8 January 2007 18:47 (seventeen years ago) link

I mean, I like Beautiful Thing as much as can be expected, but it's not what I had in mind when I started the thread.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 8 January 2007 18:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Tuomas, I was shocked by Shortbus - not by the outrageous sex, but by how rubbish it was.

― Giraffe (Japanese Giraffe), Monday, 8 January 2007 18:59 (seventeen years ago) link

jackass 2 outtakes.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 8 January 2007 19:04 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.dailymotion.com/Flavor/video/xwg7j_jackass-2-deleted-scenes

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 8 January 2007 19:04 (seventeen years ago) link

speaking of Anger, Vol 1 DVD out January 27th from Fantoma

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 8 January 2007 19:07 (seventeen years ago) link

did anyone see La Dolce Vita? the gay porn thing on michael lucas entertainment? part of it was filmed in the marc jacobs boutique!

― phil-two (phil-two), Monday, 8 January 2007 20:33 (seventeen years ago) link

I mean, I like Beautiful Thing as much as can be expected, but it's not what I had in mind when I started the thread.

Fair enough, that is why I didn't want to recommend any "coming out fairy tales". I thought Shortbus had a lot of "arty qualities" though, even if it wasn't an art film per se. As for total art films, Beau travail is still essential if you haven't seen it.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 8 January 2007 21:16 (seventeen years ago) link

I think it's hilarious that Michael Lucas performed a live sex show to entertain Israeli troops.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 06:06 (seventeen years ago) link

I prefer manga and anime.
The opression there was never as opressive. it was generally like, giggles and dispairaging looks.
The result of that is a lack of pretense and self-importance that comes with such an emotional burden.
Hell, even things that are as ill-recieved in much of the world as transexual..ness(how would that noun work?) are often portrayed from an emotional position of discomfort and confusion which comes out of out of ignorance rather than fear.
Even the intersexed are portrayed well, if generally cast in comedies with non-existant conditions(appear to be boys their whole lives, but turn out to be genetically female when their period kicks in. To my knowledge only the opposite exists)
There's been at least one movie based on a manga that addresses a number of homosexual topics, but I got less than a minute into the preview before the total lack of acting ability by any of the actors(not to mention the dialogue being poor. I've yet to read it in the original language, so I've yet to discover if that's what it was like to begin with) killed it for me. I've seen better acting in japanese porn. Better casting, too... At that point we can rule in favor of just watching the porn.
Good manga, though. A bit heavy, and SLIGHTLY preachy. The author does that a bit in all of her works.

So, I don't know if I've helped at all.
if you want examples, I can give them..

― Seven Years as a Bird in the Wood (The GZeus), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 06:37 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...

revive!

cuz I just got Fantoma's Kenneth Anger Vol 1 DVD and it is sweet. Never read the excerpts from Anais Nin's diaries about the making of Welcome to the Pleasuredome before (I didn't even recognize her in the movie - d'oh)

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 9 February 2007 18:57 (seventeen years ago) link

also, Broken Sky is out on disc.

http://www.strandreleasing.com/In_Theaters_Details.asp_Q_id_E_215

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 9 February 2007 19:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Barbara Hammer, Nitrate Kisses

Marlon Riggs, Tongues Untied

― xero (xero), Friday, 9 February 2007 20:26 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...

Re-screened Wild Reeds last night, after several years. It holds up pretty well. I marvel at Stéphane Rideau's talent for looking cloddish and vulnerable.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:06 (seventeen years ago) link

wow, "Tearoom" sounds like a singular queer arty film (I like Wm E Jones' "Finished").

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 9 April 2007 16:12 (seventeen years ago) link

guys, douglas sirk! especially the rock hudson movies. (maybe he's too obvious for thread).

i've only seen 'all that heaven allows' and 'written on the wind' (mitch wayne!). should i try and see 'the tarnished angels?' what else?

― strgn, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 00:37 (seventeen years ago) link

imitation of life!! also if yr in nyc, BAM is showing two of his barbara stanwyck movies in late april

― impudent harlot, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 02:58 (seventeen years ago) link

not sure he fits in this thread, btw (not overtly gay, surely)

― impudent harlot, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 02:59 (seventeen years ago) link

I hope the William Jones movies make their way to the Walker in Mpls.

― Eric H., Tuesday, 10 April 2007 03:27 (seventeen years ago) link

It took Haynes to make Sirk overtly gay.

William E. Jones interview

I imagine Tearoom will surface at the NY Experimental Gay Film Fest, whatever they're calling it now. The Latin Morrissey fan one I missed last year.

― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 17:56 (seventeen years ago) link

I am reading the Christine Vachon book "Shooting To Kill" right now, it's...decent. But I thought I'd mention that as it covers the production of several gay movies of arty qualities such as Poison and Swoon (which I haven't seen!).

― admrl, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 18:08 (seventeen years ago) link

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