(and there are no rules in music wrt to instrumentation or not or samples or not)
there is one rule: is it any good?
I can't read dj quik's name without tim dog's voice adding "can suck my dick" in my head.
first name: dj quik last name: can suck my dick
however this is no impugnment of dj quik's talented instrumentalism, I'm just sayin'
― Edward III, Thursday, 15 May 2008 16:31 (sixteen years ago) link
ugk had dude from the meters playing guitar on ridin dirty
― and what, Thursday, 15 May 2008 16:35 (sixteen years ago) link
the coup does it main source shouldn't have
― Granny Dainger, Thursday, 15 May 2008 16:50 (sixteen years ago) link
i mean this really isn't even an argument
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 15 May 2008 16:51 (sixteen years ago) link
it really isn't, there's some willful misreading going on.
yeh, actual instruments are more predominant in rap now and it's done great things for improving the quality of live shows, but I also know if I put together a list of my favorite rap tracks there wouldn't be many purely rooted in live instrumentation so y'all better quantify. and there's a difference between coloring a track with instruments (e.g. j-live's "satisfied") and rooting yr whole enterprise in 'em.
show me the way and the light I want to learn
― Edward III, Thursday, 15 May 2008 16:53 (sixteen years ago) link
also apologies for derailing a promising ethan/forks fite
― Edward III, Thursday, 15 May 2008 16:54 (sixteen years ago) link
i think outkast/organized noize falls into the "coloring with live instruments" camp rather than the "hey look we're playing hip-hop but with REAL INSTRUMENTS" a la the Roots or a bunch of other live hip-hop bands that i'd rather not mention.
― Jordan, Thursday, 15 May 2008 16:58 (sixteen years ago) link
^ okay I'll buy this but aquemini seemed like a point where they really pushed the live stuff to the front. maybe it was just the shock of following on from atliens, which is, if I remember right, a pretty stripped down rhymes + beats + loops affair. I need to go back and listen to aquemini again, it's been a while.
― Edward III, Thursday, 15 May 2008 17:04 (sixteen years ago) link
ozomatli 4 lyfe
― M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 15 May 2008 17:05 (sixteen years ago) link
there's an inherent cold + subterranean quality to a beat n loop track that few have been able to capture with instruments. actually the best example I can think of is schoolly d's welcome to america. but that band was pretty dire live.
― Edward III, Thursday, 15 May 2008 17:07 (sixteen years ago) link
i love samples + 808s + live instruments + all that shit. dope music is dope music you can make it with an orchestra or a fuckin hand clap i dont give a fuck
― and what, Thursday, 15 May 2008 17:14 (sixteen years ago) link
I like fish and grits and all that pimp shit
ATLiens.
― will, Thursday, 15 May 2008 17:17 (sixteen years ago) link
Not a single mention of "Got Purp" or "Vol. II" thereof?
Damn.
Given the limited choices, I think I have to go with Stankonia, and then Southernplayalisticcadillacfunkymusicforyourtrunk.
― B.L.A.M., Thursday, 15 May 2008 17:19 (sixteen years ago) link
i mean, I'll bump Southernplayalistic.. once in a blue moon, but otherwise I really don't ever listen to these dudes. OTOH ATL is a top ten classic for all time.
― will, Thursday, 15 May 2008 17:20 (sixteen years ago) link
Got Purp not so much Outkast, really.
― forksclovetofu, Thursday, 15 May 2008 17:21 (sixteen years ago) link
id put got purp between atliens & speakerboxxx on my list
― and what, Thursday, 15 May 2008 17:23 (sixteen years ago) link
btw faggots im not making any big dickmove proclamations about how hip-hop should be because im the only one who knows lol or hwatever your insecure ass thinks when i say im not feeling aquemini or the love below i know a lot of heads who fuck with em & i cant hate its just not my kinda music just like southernplayalistic is not a lot of peoples kinda music
― and what, Thursday, 15 May 2008 17:24 (sixteen years ago) link
"btw faggots"
― forksclovetofu, Thursday, 15 May 2008 17:32 (sixteen years ago) link
classic ethan spleen.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 15 May 2008 17:33 (sixteen years ago) link
I would punch you in the throat if you took that tone with me. Put your fucking headphones back on.
― B.L.A.M., Thursday, 15 May 2008 17:37 (sixteen years ago) link
Wow, this thread has gotten hysterically hardman.
― forksclovetofu, Thursday, 15 May 2008 17:41 (sixteen years ago) link
"How dare you not appreciate the Scooby Doo soundtrack! I'll rape your pets!"
― forksclovetofu, Thursday, 15 May 2008 17:43 (sixteen years ago) link
No. I simply said IF you were to take that tone with me - that whole up-speaky, contrarian, "actually" tone where you expect that your mere ASSERTION of the counterpoint is enough to have it be regarded as the truth - I would punch you in the throat, either literally or figuratively, or, more likely, both.
― B.L.A.M., Thursday, 15 May 2008 17:49 (sixteen years ago) link
And you come within 100 yards of my dog, I will shoot you in the nuts.
― B.L.A.M., Thursday, 15 May 2008 17:50 (sixteen years ago) link
But you live in Andorra. None of this is bound to ever happen.
― Kevin John Bozelka, Thursday, 15 May 2008 17:51 (sixteen years ago) link
Great work. Now do the "Put your fucking headphones back on" line.
― forksclovetofu, Thursday, 15 May 2008 17:51 (sixteen years ago) link
now go get your fuckin' shinebox.
― s1ocki, Thursday, 15 May 2008 17:53 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.thingsididlastnight.com/
― Jordan, Thursday, 15 May 2008 17:55 (sixteen years ago) link
This is much better than Surmounter and me fighting on the Portishead thread.
― HI DERE, Thursday, 15 May 2008 17:56 (sixteen years ago) link
Exactly. Thank you very much, slockski.
― B.L.A.M., Thursday, 15 May 2008 17:56 (sixteen years ago) link
Come on. Lets fucking argue. Don't just go all message board snark on me. Don't let this potentially great topic of argument fade into so many stupid, illiterate posts. So what if Ethan is entirely incapable of punctuation and all of his posts look like ee cummings? This shouldn't keep you from fucking arguing!
I need an argument. http://resim.urlax.net/image.aspx/Monty-Python-Argument-Sketch-resimleri-fotograflari-k3HaRFBSq9k.jpg
― B.L.A.M., Thursday, 15 May 2008 18:01 (sixteen years ago) link
Great. What's the topic again?
― forksclovetofu, Thursday, 15 May 2008 18:02 (sixteen years ago) link
Do you really see 'Got That Purp' as an Outkast album?
Is the soundtrack to 'Class of 3000' an Outkast album? also: "cummings"
― forksclovetofu, Thursday, 15 May 2008 18:05 (sixteen years ago) link
is Even In Darkness an Outkast album?
― Jordan, Thursday, 15 May 2008 18:09 (sixteen years ago) link
See, now we're arguing!
― forksclovetofu, Thursday, 15 May 2008 18:10 (sixteen years ago) link
At least as much as "Speakerboxx" or "The Love Below", especially given (1) that everyone but Andre is on the album (2) Anything Big Boi related from Idlewild had its genesis on Vol. II
I can see the flip side, sure - would you call the Wings albums Beatles albums, or Tom Petty albums Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers albums?
But its got that Southernplaylisticcadillacfunkymusicforyourtrunk vibe to it. That's GOT to count for something.
― B.L.A.M., Thursday, 15 May 2008 18:11 (sixteen years ago) link
No it doesn't!
― HI DERE, Thursday, 15 May 2008 18:11 (sixteen years ago) link
That's not arguing! That's mere contradiction!
― B.L.A.M., Thursday, 15 May 2008 18:12 (sixteen years ago) link
No it isn't!
― HI DERE, Thursday, 15 May 2008 18:15 (sixteen years ago) link
Saying "everyone but Andre" is on the album is like saying everyone but Garfunkel is on the new Paul Simon disc and trying to convince me that it's a Paul and Simon release.
― forksclovetofu, Thursday, 15 May 2008 18:18 (sixteen years ago) link
lol
― HI DERE, Thursday, 15 May 2008 18:18 (sixteen years ago) link
Or Art and Paul. You get my point.
― forksclovetofu, Thursday, 15 May 2008 18:19 (sixteen years ago) link
Why the fuck does everybody hate SB/TLB? I'm voting that because more OutKast is better OutKast. Even the album tracks are great. "Love Hater"? "Roses"? "Flip Flop Rock"? "Church"? Just great great stuff.
― Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 15 May 2008 18:21 (sixteen years ago) link
"The Rooster" is fucking awesome.
― HI DERE, Thursday, 15 May 2008 18:21 (sixteen years ago) link
after all my hateration 5 yrs ago i did finally admit speakerboxxx is the shit & i play the fuck outta it
― and what, Thursday, 15 May 2008 18:23 (sixteen years ago) link
Look, it's semantic anyway. If you're arguing that you like 'Got That Purp' enough that it eclipses some of the weaker albums on that list, I'd likely agree. I'd say that the second volume of Purp is easily better than the Idlewild soundtrack and is just as good as Stankonia... I'd be hard pressed to do a TS for Kryptonite vs. B.O.B. though.
Now do the "Put your fucking headphones back on" line.
― forksclovetofu, Thursday, 15 May 2008 18:26 (sixteen years ago) link
Not at all. The seminal things about Simon & Garfunkel were their voices, and Simon's songwriting. It seems to me the seminal things about Outkast-as-Outkast (meaning those albums titled "Outkast presents..." etc.) are MUCH more varied, and Got Purp, Vol II has most of these except the presence of Andre. It always seemed to be a "Take Andre out, and you get Got Purp, Vol II."
― B.L.A.M., Thursday, 15 May 2008 18:31 (sixteen years ago) link
Damn your reasonableness.
Makes you want to punch me in the throat, doesn't it?
― forksclovetofu, Thursday, 15 May 2008 18:34 (sixteen years ago) link