The least worst of Nu-Metal

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Adema are utterly, utterly indefensible.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 1 August 2004 15:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Alex in NYC OTM.

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 1 August 2004 16:10 (nineteen years ago) link

I just got a cd in the mail by a band called X Headz that is pretty good. It's probably too late for them and no one will probably ever hear it. I think they are from Germany, but they have the American-sounding nu-grunge vocalist. The band is pretty tight though. And they rock a lot harder on some tracks then most nu-bys. And their album title is incomprehensibly memorable: Dirty Pounding Gasoline! Good hard rock guitar solos too (which is a plus).

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 1 August 2004 16:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Instead of trying to find not-horrible nu-metal music, everyone should just go out and buy a Katatonia album and call it a day.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 1 August 2004 16:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Speaking of Katatonia I need to burn you that Disco Inferno disc -- can you just e-mail me your address so I don't forget it? Thanks!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 1 August 2004 16:22 (nineteen years ago) link

No, thank you. I sent my addy along via e-mail.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 1 August 2004 16:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, and Bill, dude, the Rasmus - "In The Shadows" needs to be on there. Bounciest nu-metal chorus ever. Definitely should replace "The Reason" or "Broken". I'd personally count Incubus as nu-metal, but they've covered quite a bit of ground so it's tough to say what to put on there. Do you take the honestly-sorta-good funk stuff ("Antigravity Love Song", "Deep Inside"), the pale, overly earnest ballads ("Stellar", "Drive") or the guilty-pleasure faux-prog ("Nice To Know You", "Warning")?

Sansai, Monday, 2 August 2004 00:45 (nineteen years ago) link

I fucking hate the Deftones.

Can't have System without 'Sugar', which is far and away their greatest song. (they are obv 'nu-mental')

'Wait and bleed' seconded, as it is a pretty little folk song; bizkit's 'break stuff' was fucking iconic. And Pitchshifter were pretty decent, too, not that I can think of any song titles off the top of my head. Marylin Manson's 'Rock is dead' was also pretty damn near classic.

+ That remix of Rob Zombie's 'Dragula'!

...oh, man. I dig out my old mixtapes now!

secret numetallist (cis), Monday, 2 August 2004 06:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Adema are utterly, utterly indefensible.

There's an Adema video on the Mortal Kombat: Deadly Alliance game disc. I think the song might even be about Mortal Kombat. It's pathetic.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Monday, 2 August 2004 06:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Never heard of Rasmus, I'll give it a download.

The overly earnest ballads are my Incubus of choice.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Monday, 2 August 2004 06:45 (nineteen years ago) link

If I concede a single good thing about Limp Bizkit, the revisionists have already won.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Monday, 2 August 2004 06:46 (nineteen years ago) link

If you're talking about the British Pitchshifter (is there more than one? I dunno.) then they're so un-Nu-Metal it's untrue. How can a cross between Godflesh and Oil Seed Rape be Nu-Metal?

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 2 August 2004 07:40 (nineteen years ago) link

The Rasmus aren't new metal, they're cartoon Goth pop. If you call them nu-metal, then you have to call HIM nu-metal, and that'd just be retarded.

(Bill: The Rasmus are probably one of the ten biggest bands in the world at the moment, but they don't seem too bothered about cracking the US yet).

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 2 August 2004 08:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Adema are utterly, utterly indefensible.
There's an Adema video on the Mortal Kombat: Deadly Alliance game disc. I think the song might even be about Mortal Kombat. It's pathetic.

-- AaronHz (aaronh...), August 2nd, 2004.

Oh, yeah! I remember looking at it and just shaking my head.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 2 August 2004 12:14 (nineteen years ago) link

"The Rasmus aren't new metal, they're cartoon Goth pop. If you call them nu-metal, then you have to call HIM nu-metal, and that'd just be retarded."

It has effeminate pop-star vocals, but the guitar line and production are totally nu-metal. I-IIIm. Suck it.

Sansai, Monday, 2 August 2004 14:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Does Disturbed have anything worth putting on there? I sorta recall a song that effectively ripped off the intro to Siouxsie and the Banshees - "Monitor", but the vocals killed it.

Sansai, Monday, 2 August 2004 15:24 (nineteen years ago) link

the adema songs i sort of like are "the way you like it" (about fucking) and "freaking out" (about freaking out). they're kinda sexy and catchy, and you can understand the words, and the singer (who at least in these songs apparently doesn't feel the need to prove to us what a "mean macho man trying to a difficult shit" he is like most gnu-metal morons) has an halfway decent singing voice. they're actually more OK in a mid 90s bubblegrunge (as in, uh, stabbing westward) kinda way than a rap-metal way, fine with me. and if korn has come up with any song half as melodic, i've never heard it.

chuck, Monday, 2 August 2004 15:32 (nineteen years ago) link

...trying to TAKE a difficult shit..., I meant.

chuck, Monday, 2 August 2004 15:33 (nineteen years ago) link

The new Saliva album isn't horrible. They're apparently trying to sound like '70s or '80s hard rock now, definitely a commendable idea, though the singer doesn't quite have a good enough voice to pull it off--usually he still reminds me more of fred durst than of joe elliot or mark farner or whoever. but at least he's TRYING....

chuck, Monday, 2 August 2004 15:37 (nineteen years ago) link

I think Saliva were kinda like that before though too. Working the 70's thing, i mean.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 2 August 2004 23:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Disturbed are terrible. I remember "Stupify" being good but as I haven't heard it since middle school I'm not trusting myself on that one.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 00:10 (nineteen years ago) link

(Bill: The Rasmus are probably one of the ten biggest bands in the world at the moment, but they don't seem too bothered about cracking the US yet).

The world? You mean they've broken beyond Europe?

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 00:21 (nineteen years ago) link

The new God Lives Underwater album is Anthony Miccio's new favorite album. Maybe.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 00:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Well I'm intrigued

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 00:24 (nineteen years ago) link

ah, God Lives Underwater. Notable for two things: that video where the kid spends four minutes eating things in reverse, and doing the soundtrack to some video game.

"All Wrong" was pretty good too.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 00:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Part of Street Signs by
Ozomatli could be nu-
metal, and is great.

I once interviewed
Kittie's drummer, she was cool.
So I vote for them.

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 00:31 (nineteen years ago) link

When the song first came out I repeatedly played the Taz-devil break from "Freak On A Leash" on the air for about 2 solid minutes.

ummmdaktaummmdaktaEEBA ummdaktaummmdaktaEEBA!

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 00:32 (nineteen years ago) link

GO!

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 00:35 (nineteen years ago) link

"Disturbed are terrible. I remember "Stupify" being good but as I haven't heard it since middle school I'm not trusting myself on that one."

And I'm pretty sure that's the song I was talking about. ("I GET STUPIFIYYED! I GET STUPIFIYYED!) I don't have the cojones to download it.

Sansai, Tuesday, 3 August 2004 14:47 (nineteen years ago) link

And Hoobstank are post grunge, not nu metal, duh.

Its odd how "macho" has morphed and transmutated

David Allen (David Allen), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 15:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Post-grunge stopped existing with Semisonic and Fastball. It is no longer a viable genre.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 15:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Here's your inherent barrier: The crucial qualification for being nu-metal is that the band must totally suck. So any decent fence-sitting band that you might argue as nu-metal -- Static-X, System of a Down, etc. -- automatically does not qualify.

However, ignoring my argument entirely, I would never call Static-X nu-metal (unless you call Rob Zombie or Ministry or Prong nu-metal, which seems ridiculous). System of a Down is not nu-metal, either.

I would end this nutty little nu-metal compilation idea and throw yourself together a 3-CD Children of Bodom fest. You'll be much happier and healthier.

Mr Deeds (Mr Deeds), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 16:03 (nineteen years ago) link

racist.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 16:05 (nineteen years ago) link

You caught me. OK, I actually sort of like "The Sickness" by Disturbed ... if I'm drunk and sing along with that "Oooo-wa-ka-ka-ka!" part. But I once tried to review them in concert and walked out during the second song.

Mr Deeds (Mr Deeds), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 16:12 (nineteen years ago) link

cky has a few good songs, i've upped them on some of the other nu-metal songs.

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 16:18 (nineteen years ago) link

cky has a few good songs, i've upped them on some of the other nu-metal threads (edit).

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 16:19 (nineteen years ago) link

hell yes mr deeds!
that song is the perfect comedy.

emma cleveland (emma cleveland), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 16:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, CKY has some great songs. Their guitar tones are too clean and mid-rangy though IMHO to be %100 nu-metal (a defining characteristic of which are those ridiculously over-compressed MesaBoogie-amped-up tuned-down 7-string guitar passages that sorta wash every other instrument right out), but otherwise structurally they fit the bill.

There's this one pretty great Mudvayne song with this awesome 3-part vocal breakdown and this totally Yes-esque (Yesque?) weird structural shit going on. A lot of their shit does that, they're kinda nu-prog, honestly.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 17:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Mudvayne are total prog. Half their second album is brilliant. The other half attempts to graft melodic choruses onto the prog-ness, always resulting in host-body rejection.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 17:21 (nineteen years ago) link

haha, I forgot about the "Oooo-wa-ka-ka-ka!" part. Never mind, maybe they're not completely worthless.

Anyway, Rob Zombie and Ministry are both a whole lot more industrial than Static-X (or "Push It" at least, the only song of theirs I know).

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 19:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Rob Zombie + Ministry = Static x

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 19:15 (nineteen years ago) link

If I had to use Orgy, I would have picked "Stitches".

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 19:37 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm a sucker for the New Order cover--I actually think they did an excellent job. Made for the centerpiece of a New Order cover mix I made once.

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 19:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Urggggh. Orgy plays in my city in a few weeks. The promoter was lamenting it today, because the show has sold 32 tickets!
Ha!

I dunno about saying that Static-X isn't industrial, Good Dr. Static-X's "Wisconsin Death Trip" (or whatever it's called) encompasses a lot of industrial elements. Rob Zombie is more industrial just because he samples a B-movie 20 times per song? Frankly, Rob Zombie has gone downhill, now that I think about it. That's too bad. Viva "La Sexorcista"!

Mr Deeds (Mr Deeds), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 21:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Back to School - Deftones

I think Ned likes Linkin Park because they've got tons and tons of Depeche Mode in them! (which is why I like them too)

The "self-righteous suicide" and "dis-oooord-der" ones by System of a Down are great...

Break Stuff by Limp Bizkit is pretty hard to deny. Seems to mark the era better than any other song....It's epic hissy fit mosh rock.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 22:05 (nineteen years ago) link

I think Ned likes Linkin Park because they've got tons and tons of Depeche Mode in them! (which is why I like them too)

Dan Perry as well.

Break Stuff by Limp Bizkit is pretty hard to deny.

And yet it can be done.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 22:07 (nineteen years ago) link

minerva is definitely the best nu-metal track.

purple patch (electricsound), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 22:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Break Stuff by Limp Bizkit is pretty hard to deny.

And yet it can be done.

What?! Not by humans! You must be like a half-mage alien elf or some shit, Ned!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 22:12 (nineteen years ago) link

YAY!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 22:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Break Stuff by Limp Bizkit is pretty hard to deny.

And yet it can be done.

-- Ned Raggett (ne...), August 3rd, 2004.

It's about the he said/she said bullshit.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 3 August 2004 22:22 (nineteen years ago) link


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