Werner Herzog films: c/d/s/d

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i thought aguirre was fine but incredibly over-rated when i saw it a few years ago. since then i've seen and loved both lessons of darkness & my best fiend though, so i'm guessing by the time i get around to re-viewing aguirre i'll appreciate it more.

― andrew s (andrew s), Monday, 28 March 2005 01:40 (nineteen years ago) link

I nominated Fitzcarraldo in the 80s poll, but I had gotten it confused with Aguirre. That's the only one I love.

― a banana (alanbanana), Monday, 28 March 2005 02:47 (nineteen years ago) link

I still haven't watched Fitzcaralldo or Kaspar Hauser! But I also haven't sold them like I have most of my other DVDs.

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 28 March 2005 06:26 (nineteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

I just saw Aguirre and it's insane. watching it made me hate all those widescreen pretty-beautiful epics that are ten a penny. it's so fucking real-looking. anthony minghella please watch a Herzong film then give up or kill yourself. obviously Aguirre is astonishing to look at but makes you realise, to an extent, that most films are just cinematography and lightning with actual direction and vision and depth waaaaaaay down the list. films are too beautiful now. all surface no feeling.

also - MONKEYS!

― jed_ (jed), Friday, 22 April 2005 02:42 (nineteen years ago) link

ummm, I like some Anthony Minghella films!
but yes Aguirre is great, better than Talented Mr Ripley even!

― Levinicus (nordicskilla), Friday, 22 April 2005 04:29 (nineteen years ago) link

He killed Ian Curtis

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 22 April 2005 08:15 (nineteen years ago) link

So classic, then.

― woopsadaisy, Friday, 22 April 2005 11:10 (nineteen years ago) link

I liked Woyzek or whatever it's called best. The rats in Nosferatu are very good too. I like the monkeys in Aguirre. Have I said this before? Maybe it was on a monkey thread.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Friday, 22 April 2005 11:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Did anyone get the DVD box sets? I just bought one of teh Fassbinder ones so I'm gonna have to wait a bit for those

― Baaderonixxxorzh (Fabfunk), Friday, 22 April 2005 11:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Got the Kinski one, eagerly awaiting Kasper Hauser's release in the UK.

― Masked Gazza, Friday, 22 April 2005 11:21 (nineteen years ago) link

'burden of dreams' out on dvd soon.

why did the new german cinema collapse circa 1982? fassbinder dead, wenders fucked by coppola, herzog jumping shark, schlondorff becoming an 'international' director.

― N_RQ, Friday, 22 April 2005 11:23 (nineteen years ago) link

"wenders fucked by coppola"? what do u mean?

― Baaderonixxxorzh (Fabfunk), Friday, 22 April 2005 11:27 (nineteen years ago) link

He was a big football fan (back when people who said they liked football actually did like football), more as a player (he was a useful goalscorer) than a fan - Fassbinder was the major, almost obsessional, Bayern Munich fan

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 22 April 2005 11:28 (nineteen years ago) link

wenders went to hollywood/sf in about 1978 to shoot 'hammett'. he shot it, and then coppola, who was producing, made him shoot it again. he was serially dicked around, and the film only emerged in 1982. wenders made 'the state of things' in protest.

― N_Rq, Friday, 22 April 2005 11:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Fassbinder died and then Wenders and Herzog proceeded to make a lot of increasingly shit movies - and thereby hangs the tale of the New German Cinema

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 22 April 2005 11:38 (nineteen years ago) link

it's so fucking real-looking.

heh, that's because he puts his actors through hell. if a scene calls for walking down a dangerously steep & narrow path on the side of a mountain, then he actually films them doing so, no camera tricks, stand-ins, etc..

herzog jumping shark

he did a Happy Days remake?

― Amon (eman), Friday, 22 April 2005 11:39 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...

apparently if you like herzog you're the "kind of person who'd like ken loach, y'know, they're both... realist and miserable..."

― cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 22 May 2005 08:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I mean, kinda, yeah, ok maybe, but what a dull dull way of reducing two filmmakers.

― cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 22 May 2005 08:11 (eighteen years ago) link

what insane person said that?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 22 May 2005 20:24 (eighteen years ago) link

some guy I work with.

― cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 22 May 2005 20:26 (eighteen years ago) link

I take back my "kinda, yeah, ok maybe".

― cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 22 May 2005 20:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Anybody seen the Grizzly film yet?

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Sunday, 22 May 2005 21:31 (eighteen years ago) link

i can't really see how anyone would consider dude "realist"

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 23 May 2005 05:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Haha wait you don't think it was realistic that all these Portuguese conquistador types spoke GERMAN?!?!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 23 May 2005 05:20 (eighteen years ago) link

I think that Herzog should only make movies with Klaus Kinski playing a character in South America floating down the river. Klaus Kinski in 1920's horror remakes is also semi-acceptable.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 23 May 2005 05:22 (eighteen years ago) link

also, documentaries about klaus kinski.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 23 May 2005 05:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Also any movies starring schizophrenics, dwarves or actors in a trance state.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Monday, 23 May 2005 05:34 (eighteen years ago) link

So that's a "no" on the Grizzly film, then?

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Monday, 23 May 2005 05:45 (eighteen years ago) link

i think it's hard to think of two less similar filmmakers than loach and herzog. loach's 'kasper hauser' would be about the pitiful lack of welfare provision for the mentally ill in early 19th century germany. herzog's 'land and freedom' would have championed the durrutti column.

― N_RQ, Monday, 23 May 2005 07:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Aguirre is really good.

― latebloomer: B Minus Time Traveler (latebloomer), Monday, 23 May 2005 17:05 (eighteen years ago) link

maybe I'll watch kaser hauser this week

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 23 May 2005 22:48 (eighteen years ago) link

The Grizzly film didn't play at the local film festival, but The White Diamond did. I missed it, though.

― L'Histoire d'Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 23 May 2005 23:51 (eighteen years ago) link

i think it's hard to think of two less similar filmmakers than loach and herzog.

no, i don't think they are that dissimilar. i'm pissed tho'.

― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 24 May 2005 00:25 (eighteen years ago) link

three months pass...

Re: the soundtrack of Lessons of Darkness. Wow, Herzog. That's a lot of soundtrack!

Land of Silence and Darkness = cold, brittle and brilliant

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 01:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm watching Burden of Dreams this week.

Has anyone read Herzog on Herzog?

― Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 03:29 (eighteen years ago) link

haven't watched Kaspar Hauser yet.

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 03:37 (eighteen years ago) link

well you've got the epiphany of a lifetime still to look forward to then. I envy you.

― Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 03:43 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm saving it until I am very old and something about life needs to surprise me

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 03:49 (eighteen years ago) link

sounds like a recipe for a heart attack.

― Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 03:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Herzog on Herzog is okay, not the best bio I've read though.

― Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 12:54 (eighteen years ago) link

not the best Herzog bio or just not the best bio?

― Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 21:52 (eighteen years ago) link

not the best bio, I haven't read other herzog ones

― Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Thursday, 25 August 2005 12:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Grizzly Man is one of the best films I've ever seen.

― Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:07 (eighteen years ago) link

I loved "Werner Herzog Eats His Shoe", especially when they ask him about throwing himself into a cactus to celebrate the completion of one of his movies. He explains that he still has a cactus needle in his knee and the interviewer asks him why he is so self-destructive. Herzog just laughs as if this is the most ridiculous thing he's ever heard and says "it's not self-destructive to throw oneself into a cactus!".

Then he eats his shoe.

― Yes, I have heard of pizza (nordicskilla), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:20 (eighteen years ago) link

i have only seen 1 herzog film and it was stroszek. it's one of my favorite movies ever! i guess i should find this nosferatu.

― caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:53 (eighteen years ago) link

i hope you like it, caitlin

― Yes, I have heard of pizza (nordicskilla), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:54 (eighteen years ago) link

caitlin, you are in in the UK are you?

― jed_ (jed), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:49 (eighteen years ago) link

no, wrong caitlin

― Yes, I have heard of pizza (nordicskilla), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:49 (eighteen years ago) link

i have only seen 1 herzog film and it was stroszek. it's one of my favorite movies ever! i guess i should find this nosferatu.

I think if you liked Stroszek you should check out Kaspar Hauser next.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:52 (eighteen years ago) link

caitlin, you are in in the UK are you?

weird sentence!

― jed_ (jed), Monday, 29 August 2005 21:56 (eighteen years ago) link

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