I really don't think anyone's beer was rhetorical, except for Biden's.
― Four-TEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN! (HI DERE), Friday, 31 July 2009 18:52 (fourteen years ago) link
i guess the question for nabs if they met at a conference room in the white house with glasses of ice water would you feel differently.
― wishes to be referred under the pseudonym of kronos (call all destroyer), Friday, 31 July 2009 18:53 (fourteen years ago) link
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/usa/obamaberlin.gif
― velko, Friday, 31 July 2009 18:54 (fourteen years ago) link
man if only they had ordered a pizza and had a wine option we could break ilx forever w/this thread
― MOAR HUMOR THAN A HUMAN(E) (jjjusten), Friday, 31 July 2009 18:54 (fourteen years ago) link
what we really need to know is what type of bottle opener was used on the beer
― Four-TEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN! (HI DERE), Friday, 31 July 2009 18:58 (fourteen years ago) link
okay seriously leaving aside the other stuff, I find it funny that y'all don't think the talking-outside-over-beer thing is kind of rhetorical! especially given this whole thread being based on the media going over the rhetorical/semiotic value of the brands of beer they chose to drink! I mean, yeah, destroyer, I think it has a really different rhetorical angle than a formal meeting with glasses of water, in lots of ways that are great (mainly the fact that this is really not super-important), and in a couple small ones that rub me the wrong way. the whole thing is totally a gendered ritual! it's a whole "we are men and meet casually as equals over a cold one and talk out our differences in an atmosphere of egalitarian masculinity" thing, surely. I mean, this is the white house version of "hug it out, bitch," no?
― nabisco, Friday, 31 July 2009 19:00 (fourteen years ago) link
uh no, because "hug it out, bitch" doesn't actually involve resolving anything or making any attempt to understand the other person but instead is about burying your hurt in the name of being a righteous dude
― Four-TEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN! (HI DERE), Friday, 31 July 2009 19:02 (fourteen years ago) link
In honor of this historic meeting I had four (4) Red Stripes last night. And a Stella, in memory of Gordon Brown (RIP).
― ice cr?m paint job (milo z), Friday, 31 July 2009 19:02 (fourteen years ago) link
like if I had to rate it I'd say that the beers as a rhetorical gesture are like 85% great and only 15% annoying to me
― nabisco, Friday, 31 July 2009 19:02 (fourteen years ago) link
You seem to be entirely hung up on the "drinking a beer" part to the point where you are ignoring the more important "and talking about what happened" part.
I also don't think all rituals are rhetorical.
― Four-TEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN! (HI DERE), Friday, 31 July 2009 19:03 (fourteen years ago) link
the talking-outside-over-beer thing is kind of rhetorical! especially given this whole thread being based on the media going over the rhetorical/semiotic value of the brands of beer they chose to drink!
do you understand that even though what the media thinks about the kinds of beer they're drinking and the endless discussions and blog posts and people talking about it on cable news probably ad nauseum this week has nothing to do with the substance of the discussion around the table? in other words, you're totally getting thrown off by the beer here?
― Mr. Que, Friday, 31 July 2009 19:04 (fourteen years ago) link
In 1981, as the most junior member assistant engineer, he was conscripted to work on a Public Image Ltd recording session for a single, "Home is Where the Heart is". In a PiL fansite interview [2] Launay recalled:
“None of the other assistant engineers at the Townhouse wanted to work with PiL because of John's reputation for throwing up, walking all over the mixing console, and being verbally abusive.
The session started very slow because the engineer/producer they had chosen wasn't very familiar with the then very new, and experimental SSL mixing console. This meant I had to keep showing him which button did what. Back then an assistant engineer's place was to stay very quiet, at the back of the room, operating the analogue tape machines. John (Lydon) sat in a big arm chair with two crates of Red Stripe, the Jamaican Beer, one on each side, and watched with amusement at me going back and forth trying my best to help the engineer out. John wanted a triplet delay on a particular vocal line, and the engineer didn't seem to understand what he meant. I was really into Dub Reggae at the time, so I set it up and it worked well. Later the engineer got up and left the room to have a piss. John got up and locked the door behind him. When he came back he started thumping on the door shouting, "Let me in..." John told him to fuck off.
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Friday, 31 July 2009 19:05 (fourteen years ago) link
give them some credit, nabisco: there were no cigars
― there is no there there (elmo argonaut), Friday, 31 July 2009 19:07 (fourteen years ago) link
lord, Que, I'm not "thrown off" by the rhetorical gesture of "beers," I'm talking about the rhetorical gesture of "beers" and why it bothers me a bit -- discussion could happen in any number of settings, all of them rhetorically different, and this one was picked for a reason!
― nabisco, Friday, 31 July 2009 19:08 (fourteen years ago) link
... Yes, because Crowley made a joke about it and Obama decided to call his bluff.
― Four-TEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN! (HI DERE), Friday, 31 July 2009 19:09 (fourteen years ago) link
well okay if thrown off doesn't work for you then like HI DERE says, you're hung up on it.
― Mr. Que, Friday, 31 July 2009 19:09 (fourteen years ago) link
either way, you're overthinking it by like a million percent. yes, rituals and meetings have hidden agendas and rhetoric and stuff, but i think at the end of the day it sounds like you just don't like beer
― Mr. Que, Friday, 31 July 2009 19:10 (fourteen years ago) link
Que we should definitely settle our difference of opinion here over a beer
― nabisco, Friday, 31 July 2009 19:11 (fourteen years ago) link
anyway i live in DC, c'mon down to visit, we'll have some 60 Minute IPA's and laugh about it
xpost HI FIVES
― Mr. Que, Friday, 31 July 2009 19:11 (fourteen years ago) link
i guess i'm not sure if there is another rhetorical setting you would find better or if any rhetorical setting would bother you?
― wishes to be referred under the pseudonym of kronos (call all destroyer), Friday, 31 July 2009 19:12 (fourteen years ago) link
watch out, Que's going to have his girlfriend Julianne Moore fling paint on you
wait, you like Julianne Moore, nvrmind go knock yrself out
― Four-TEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN! (HI DERE), Friday, 31 July 2009 19:12 (fourteen years ago) link
let's get together & solve racism over coffee & danish
― there is no there there (elmo argonaut), Friday, 31 July 2009 19:13 (fourteen years ago) link
the new album from Sufjan Stevens
― Mr. Que, Friday, 31 July 2009 19:13 (fourteen years ago) link
tbh i think this beer meeting was awesome
― omar little, Friday, 31 July 2009 19:15 (fourteen years ago) link
Yes, because Crowley made a joke about it and Obama decided to call his bluff.
Did not know!
― a muttering inbred (called) (not named) (Abbott), Friday, 31 July 2009 19:16 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah that's crazy i had no idea--i like the meeting more and more the more i think about it
― Mr. Que, Friday, 31 July 2009 19:16 (fourteen years ago) link
If there is any rhetorical imagery I think people should take away from it, it's the idea that people who have issues with each other that stem from racial friction can actually sit down and talk to each other like rational adults and come out the other side still behaving like rational adults.
― Four-TEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN! (HI DERE), Friday, 31 July 2009 19:17 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/30/harvard.arrest.beers/index.html
Earlier Thursday, Obama said the chat was prompted by an exchange he had with Crowley, who said in a phone call with Obama, "Maybe I'll have a beer in the White House someday."The president replied that that could be arranged.
The president replied that that could be arranged.
also lol Obama, you are awesome:
"This is not a university seminar. It is not a summit. It's an attempt to have some personal interaction when an issue has become so hyped and so symbolic that you lose sight of just the fact that these are people involved," he said.He said he would be surprised if the media makes the meeting out to be more important than his meeting Thursday with Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo, president of the Philippines, but "the press has surprised me before."
He said he would be surprised if the media makes the meeting out to be more important than his meeting Thursday with Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo, president of the Philippines, but "the press has surprised me before."
― Four-TEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN! (HI DERE), Friday, 31 July 2009 19:19 (fourteen years ago) link
<3
― Mr. Que, Friday, 31 July 2009 19:20 (fourteen years ago) link
oh, obamapaws
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Friday, 31 July 2009 19:20 (fourteen years ago) link
lol!
this whole episode has depressed me greatly, and the presidents involvement was pretty dim, but that is great
― SNaKaTTaK (goole), Friday, 31 July 2009 19:21 (fourteen years ago) link
yes mr president there will be 4 kajillion blog posts about yr meeting w/ gloria macawhatsis
maybe she can bring him a six pack of san miguel
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Friday, 31 July 2009 19:23 (fourteen years ago) link
Kudos for completely misinterpreting Obama's slam on the media coverage of Beer Summit 2009
― Four-TEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN! (HI DERE), Friday, 31 July 2009 19:24 (fourteen years ago) link
srsly mr president you need to start drinking some real beer
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/edwardiii/51071705Sanmiguel.jpg
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Friday, 31 July 2009 19:28 (fourteen years ago) link
"the press has surprised me before."
http://tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:zCN6ltCiN7NQpM:http://www.webdesignerdepot.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/molson_dry.gif
― mile high guy (brownie), Friday, 31 July 2009 19:34 (fourteen years ago) link
red stripe gonna walk this poll obv, 2nd place is a bit more uncertain?
― there is no there there (elmo argonaut), Friday, 31 July 2009 20:34 (fourteen years ago) link
of the three, blue moon is the only one which constitutes a 'good' (but not great) beer. raise yer standards
― Elvin Wayburn Phillips, Friday, 31 July 2009 22:20 (fourteen years ago) link
I've got a few stripes in my fridge. don't mind if I have one right now..
― ex-juggalist (Pillbox), Friday, 31 July 2009 22:44 (fourteen years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Friday, 31 July 2009 23:01 (fourteen years ago) link
probably have to go with Red Stripe, even though I don't love it. Unless I was simply having a single beer, Blue Moon would be the last one I'd go for if presented these three options.
― ^prizes the praise of the media, and the Europeans (will), Friday, 31 July 2009 23:03 (fourteen years ago) link
Hoooray beer
― ice cr?m paint job (milo z), Friday, 31 July 2009 23:03 (fourteen years ago) link
shoulda had a lone star
http://www.djibnet.com/photo/400394507-obama-the-cowboy.jpg
― ^prizes the praise of the media, and the Europeans (will), Friday, 31 July 2009 23:06 (fourteen years ago) link
^^OK so any excuse for that pic amirite?
― barry totoro (suzy), Friday, 31 July 2009 23:14 (fourteen years ago) link
mos def
― ^prizes the praise of the media, and the Europeans (will), Friday, 31 July 2009 23:23 (fourteen years ago) link
Five years ago today!
― jaymc, Wednesday, 30 July 2014 15:50 (nine years ago) link
Which I pointed out on Twitter and Skip Gates retweeted. :)
― jaymc, Wednesday, 30 July 2014 15:53 (nine years ago) link