even more quiddities and agonies of the ruling class - a new rolling new york times thread

He wrote "unbeknown to my spouse" instead of "what my spouse doesn't know is" so that tells me enough about this asshole right off the top.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/27/nyregion/farmer-prom-long-island.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/27/nyregion/farmer-prom-long-island.html

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Yeah, they were murdered, and farms need still need to be able to grow food so people can eat it. Real quid ag.

In Proclamation’s Wake, Plantations Scramble For Talent

Ah yes, Hamas liberated a bunch of paid farm workers by gunning them down, great analogy

Here's a gift article: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/14/world/middleeast/israel-farms-palestinians-thailand.html?unlocked_article_code=1._0w.f8j5.txKJ7TI8ES9m&smid=url-share

Some workers were killed or kinapped, though the vast majority left the country (Thai workers) or are prohibited from entering Israel (Palestinians).

This was probably the closest it gets to thread aptness, though it's certainly not specific to Israel: "Israel needs farmers, but the farmers need laborers to do the hard work of planting vegetables and picking fruit, milking cows and raising honeybees."

Though this is also striking:

After the Arab-Israeli War of 1967, Israeli farms began hiring workers from the occupied West Bank and Gaza. But in the 1980s new restrictions were imposed on Palestinians following the protests, violent riots and terror attacks of the intifada. Thais, who had been informally migrating to do field work, began receiving visas in much larger numbers.

“The sort of open gate for Palestinians closed,” said Adriana Kemp, a sociologist at Tel Aviv University who studies labor migration. “What I call the ‘great replacement’ began in the ’90s.”

Israeli growers who hired Thai workers found them a more regular labor force than Palestinians, who could be delayed at border checkpoints or barred from entering Israel.

But now, said Ms. Kemp, “for the first time, Israeli agriculture can’t rely on a continuous stream of workers.”

Yes, Israel relies on migrant farm workers, just like the UK, the US, and pretty much every developed country.

True, that's what I was getting at by "not specific to Israel"; sorry if my wording there was too vague. But your claim that the lost workers "were murdered" or "gunned down" isn't accurate, given we're talking about 40,000 people, including 9,000 Palestinians. And there is, imo, something specific to Israel about 9k Palestinians acting as "migrant" farm workers in the first place.

man alive I wasn’t trying to make a perfect analogy just trying to capture the obscenity of identifying with business imperatives during a time of genocide

Yes, Israel relies on migrant farm workers, just like the UK, the US, and pretty much every developed country.

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, November 20, 2023 9:38 AM (fifty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

ok so let's never talk about israel. it's just like the UK and the US, two countries that should also never be discussed or criticized

Seen similar reports of Indian workers filling in for Palestinians in construction.

This happens in the Gulf.

That aside this is where sanctions would really hurt Israel.

xp talk about whatever you want, I just find it oddly glib for a Brit to suggest that a terrorist attack making it hard to find labor for farms is "quid ag." It's not like we're talking about a beach resort.

I did give the use of this thread a side eye since I thought we were against collective punishment.

Probably well intentioned but creating a dichotomy of "us" versus "them" is one of the stages of genocide.

Trying to recast food insecurity into some "business" narrative is probably not a great fit for this thread.

It's possible to want all the people to live, and for everyone to have enough to eat. I did not think that was controversial.

There are a large number of Thai farm workers that Hamas murdered and continue to hold as hostages.

Among Hamas Hostages: More Than 20 Thais, Half a World From Home https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/05/world/asia/thailand-hostages-hamas-israel.html?unlocked_article_code=1._0w.5m-U.MwMbLZu6a80T&smid=nytcore-android-share

There were also Filipino and Tanzanian people murdered by Hamas. Let's not forget about them.

right. i do think it belongs on "no way NYT" and not here, although i do sometimes conflate the threads tbf (as with so many threads here)

guys guys this is a safe space for mocking brain-dead NYT headlines. yes i’m sure the article itself has a lot of nuance!

On Trail Of Tears, A Lively Trade In Second-Hand Baby Clothes

Who created the dichotomy of “us” and “them” in this particular instance? Sometimes I read these threads and feel like I’m losing my mind.

xp idk i do think the thread is specifically about calling out elitism and class privilege, which i think explains why you're getting this response from some. we do have the "no way NYT" like i said

and to be clear i think the NYT can fuck right off

it’s about the world as viewed by the ownership class

where 1000s of dead palestinians (and thais etc) become a business continuity issue

i don't disagree but also the entirety of the NYT is devoted to depicting the world as viewed by the ownership class. and so i sympathize with those who felt that you were suggesting that the farmers themselves ought to be the object of derision, since that's generally how this thread works

Colts owner Jim Irsay says he was arrested in 2014 because he’s ‘a rich, white billionaire’

Irsay said he’d recently had hip surgery at the time, which made it difficult for him to walk and required him to take prescribed medications. He told her he pleaded guilty to the misdemeanor because he just wanted to get it over with.

Irsay went on to accuse the Indianapolis suburb’s Carmel Police Department of profiling him. . . . “If I’m just the average guy down the block, they’re not pulling me in, of course not.”

Aaron W. Gordon @awgordon.bsky.social

I love the WSJ so much. Laser-focused on its intended audience.

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I dunno rising pedestrian deaths are a pretty serious issue

advocating for walkable city is not ruling class quiddity imo

(Not addressed to you specifically budo) In case it wasn’t clear I meant pedestrian deaths are indeed a serious issue. Private automobiles should banned from most of Manhattan.

i know. i was addressing the inclusion of the article in this thread in the first place.

not to speak for the good lord but I think it was posted for the namedropping headline… and the idea that well now that we’ve reached a state where Baudelaire himself would be run over in the streets the issue of pedestrian safety is sufficiently dire to merit ink

I think the thing that has changed the pedestrian safety dynamic in NYC is the ubiquity of delivery people on e-bikes. Maybe it's classist to point this out?

It is funny how the WSJ is so much more openly ruling class, whereas the NYT tries to hide it a bit.

Yeah, its a bit obvious when the WSJ weekly real estate section is called "Mansion", no beating around the bush.

Of course I'm sure that's aspirational for most WSJ readers.

delivery people on e-bikes kill a couple people each year in nyc. cars and trucks kill the other 200-250

Sure, I'm talking about the sense of personal safety as a pedestrian though. Getting hit by a bike is still no fun.

In that article the writer says she was hit three times by bikes last year! I'm sure if she'd been hit by cars 3 times she wouldn't be around to write about it.

not to speak for the good lord but I think it was posted for the namedropping headline… and the idea that well now that we’ve reached a state where Baudelaire himself would be run over in the streets the issue of pedestrian safety is sufficiently dire to merit ink

― brimstead,

This.

yep, lol at the idea of winning people to this (extremely good!) cause with this framing, though I admit I kind of enjoyed it

How would these abortion restrictions have affected Madame de Stael?

The Best Part of Tiny Living? The ‘Freedom We Have Created for Ourselves.’
With a little house in The Hague, a compact getaway on the Italian island of Sardinia and a well-designed camper van, who needs a conventional home

When the renovation was finished, the couple were so pleased with their new compact living space, its proximity to the beach and its friendly neighborhood that they arrived at an unexpected conclusion: They wanted to live there all the time.

“That’s how the downsizing started,” Ms. Wassenaar said. “We started living in the small place and renting out the bigger home in the posh neighborhood.”

Before long, Mr. Losonsky, who had bought the couple’s old apartment before meeting Ms. Wassenaar and had paid off the mortgage, came to another realization: With rent coming in and few expenses, he no longer needed to work. He retired in late 2019, just before turning 50.

They Took Their Horses to the Swiss Alps for Snow Polo. They Got Slush Instead.

lmao

My favorite Liars album.

The Case for Marrying an Older Man

When I was 20 and a junior at Harvard College, a series of great ironies began to mock me. I could study all I wanted, prove myself as exceptional as I liked, and still my fiercest advantage remained so universal it deflated my other plans. My youth. The newness of my face and body. Compellingly effortless; cruelly fleeting. I shared it with the average, idle young woman shrugging down the street. The thought, when it descended on me, jolted my perspective, the way a falling leaf can make you look up: I could diligently craft an ideal existence, over years and years of sleepless nights and industry. Or I could just marry it early.

So naturally I began to lug a heavy suitcase of books each Saturday to the Harvard Business School to work on my Nabokov paper. In one cavernous, well-appointed room sat approximately 50 of the planet’s most suitable bachelors. I had high breasts, most of my eggs, plausible deniability when it came to purity, a flush ponytail, a pep in my step that had yet to run out. Apologies to Progress, but older men still desired those things.

just expert level hate-read trolling

I tapped out of that one after about a paragraph because of how bad the prose is. I'm sure the ideas are vile, but it's unreadable so I'll never know.

Grazie Sophia Christie

of course that's her name