French films are shit. Porquoi?

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Hmmm. I've only seen The Mother & The Whore, but felt v much like the Leaud character is supposed to be seen as an irredeemable prick? Not that that's a get out of jail free card or anything.

Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 17 October 2023 17:43 (six months ago) link

I agree with you that Leaud is supposed to be a chauvinist (who happens to have come through the events of 1968 with some very retrograde ideas about sexuality). But do viewers recognize that? Or that Veronika is less a whore or slut, but rather a target of men's sexual opportunism?

As for My Little Loves, it's overwhelmingly a coming-of-age piece--and coming of age defined very much in terms of accessing females, with no consideration of consent on their part. French society, either before or in the immediate wake of 1968, probably didn't think too much about recognizing a woman's right to say no, but sitting through these films was exhausting.,

Infanta Terrible (j.lu), Tuesday, 17 October 2023 19:38 (six months ago) link

The Mother and the Whore (1973)
Holiday on the Buses (1973)
Do you see?

Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 17 October 2023 19:45 (six months ago) link

"(who happens to have come through the events of 1968 with some very retrograde ideas about sexuality)"

The film is very much about the failures of '68.

But I say this as a man xp

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 17 October 2023 20:00 (six months ago) link

Didn't just happen in France either.

Chris L, Tuesday, 17 October 2023 20:05 (six months ago) link

But do viewers recognize that? Or that Veronika is less a whore or slut, but rather a target of men's sexual opportunism?

Is "some do, some don't" too flippant an answer? I try not to think much about what audiences might think, as the internet has shown me ppl can be super dense even about the clearest of messages. Which is not to say feeling the vibe of ppl reacting in certain ways doesn't sometimes affect me negatively in the cinema - grimmest example of this was some old chuckling appreciatively as the protagonist of "Thunder Road" berated the corpse of his drug addict ex-wife.

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 18 October 2023 13:38 (six months ago) link


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