Avril Lavigne: C/D?

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Bleah.

Rockist Scientist, Friday, 2 March 2007 23:28 (seventeen years ago) link

you ARE damn precious Avril...

Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Friday, 2 March 2007 23:33 (seventeen years ago) link

hate the bouncy pop-punk bass, but other than that, nice

milo z, Friday, 2 March 2007 23:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Wow. The new Avril Lavigne single is dripping with attitude. In fact, it's the best song I've heard this year.
It's incredible - like she's finally ditched all the precious: I'm a little punk rocker - in favor of a much more teenpop approach to relationships. So where Sk8tr Boi was about how her relationships weren't conventional (they had emancipated themselves from the highschool set and were touring professionally) this is set in the standard context of boyfriend -girlfriends. But in doing so, it's the most punk song I've ever heard her sing. It reminds me of Blondie in terms of investing the mundane with attitude.

"Hey, hey, you, you, I don't like your girlfriend. Hey, hey, you, you, I think you need a new one," is far more aggressive. In contrast to Sk8r, where she steals the boy away from his old girlfriend is completely overlooking in favor of the larger tension (he's great, and you missed your chance), here she's actively stealing him. And the opening: Hey, hey, you, you, is almost like a faster: "Ai, Oh, Let's go," without the beat between the noise ("Hey" "Oh") and the narrative ("You, you" "Let's go"). So she's editing out the Ramone's pause in favor of thrusting herself forward. There's huge amounts of pose in here - down to the hand-clapping, which almost sounds as though she applauding herself as she sings. Or maybe even the Stones, singing: "Hey, hey, you, you get off of my cloud," which is probably the more obvious touchstone. Which is perfect! Because she's aggressively pulling you in like the Stone's song chases you away. It's the same attitude, but used to different means.

"Ok fine I want you mine you're so delicious. I think about you all the time you're so addictive. Don't you know what I can do to make you feel alright? (Alright, alright, alright)" Combining the speedy breathlessness of the first two statements, which the echoing 'alright' of the third, it's as though Avril is coming overwhelming the target (and us) by pounding us over and over with the Possibility of Her. By the time it gets to "alright, alright, alright," it sounds like we're responding to the song ourself (also through Avril's voice) agreeing to her. She's puppeting both the predator and the prey - so that she never has to fail.

And then the song launches into the greatest thing I've heard - certainly this year and possibly last as well. "Don't pretend I think you know I'm damn precious / And hell yeah, I'm the motherfucking princess / I can tell you like me too and you know I'm right. (alright, alright, alright)" She simultaneously needs this guy, and doesn't need him at all. She's fine without him - sneering: "You know I'm damn precious." - but she's only saying it because it'll let her get him. And when she sings "I'm the motherfucking princess," she completely slays the entire Paris Hilton album. Just the implicit contradiction of using the word "motherfucking" while describing herself as a "princess" is completely honest, jarring, confusing, and refreshing. It means that a "princess" can use the word "motherfucking." It also means she has a sense of humor about being a "princess." It also means that she's a "princess" /because/ she uses words like "motherfucking," which makes her "precious" which she also understands.

This is thus far my favorite song of 2007. And I predict it'll be in the top 5 if not at the top 1 by the end of the year. I can't imagine anything displacing it. It's much better than the Veronica's 4eva - which was near the top of my list last year.

Mordechai Shinefield (Mordy) on Monday, February 5, 2007 11:31 PM (3 weeks ago)

I know, right?, Friday, 2 March 2007 23:43 (seventeen years ago) link

spot on

Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Saturday, 3 March 2007 00:10 (seventeen years ago) link

she is so fucking CUTE

chaki, Saturday, 3 March 2007 00:28 (seventeen years ago) link

I find her whole persona in that song completely repulsive. She's like some sort of nightmare version of a Leo female.

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 3 March 2007 00:31 (seventeen years ago) link

YOU TAKE THHAT BACK

Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Saturday, 3 March 2007 00:44 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm not sure how I feel about her britches anymore, but I sure listened to Sk8erBoi a lot while playing Elite Beat Agents.

Jeff, Saturday, 3 March 2007 00:46 (seventeen years ago) link

I feel like this song and her new image are both so incredibly cynical, but the song is AMAZING so it doesn't matter.

The Brainwasher, Saturday, 3 March 2007 00:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Check out the Mandarin version!

pinder, Saturday, 3 March 2007 00:53 (seventeen years ago) link

the Veronica Mars resemblance in parts of the video is eerie.

milo z, Saturday, 3 March 2007 01:41 (seventeen years ago) link

I thought this thread had been way longer. (There was a good long one where someone said that "take off all your preppy clothes" sounds like something from Silver Spoons and Kim said no, craptown Ontario is really like that. What thread was that?)

I'm not sure what I think of this song. My first impression was close to RS' but it might change/be changing.

Sundar, Saturday, 3 March 2007 03:29 (seventeen years ago) link

I've only heard this song once. That entire time, I kept veering between "omg kill me" and "WOW THIS IS AMAZINGLY CONSTRUCTED WOW".

HI DERE, Saturday, 3 March 2007 03:35 (seventeen years ago) link

eight months pass...

why did no one call this out for being "hey mickey"?

tissp, Thursday, 8 November 2007 18:25 (sixteen years ago) link

('girlfriend', that is)

tissp, Thursday, 8 November 2007 18:25 (sixteen years ago) link

Because it sounds more like the Rubinoos?

jaymc, Thursday, 8 November 2007 18:28 (sixteen years ago) link

yikes.

it still sounds like hey mickey to me though.

Lavigne's Vancouver-based manager, Terry McBride, CEO of Nettwerk Music Group, claims the suit "has no basis. There's nothing similar (between the two songs)," he says. "Our musicologist says there is no similarities of melody, choral progression or meter."

haha "musicologist"

tissp, Thursday, 8 November 2007 18:30 (sixteen years ago) link

two years pass...

some nice constructive comments on this fascinating bit of news here

http://www.hollyscoop.com/avril-lavigne/avril-lavigne-turns-the-tables_12783.aspx

t(o_o)t (ENBB), Sunday, 31 January 2010 01:52 (fourteen years ago) link

why are you reading 2 year old internet comments on a 3 year old story about avril lavigne tbh

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 31 January 2010 01:54 (fourteen years ago) link

Good question, my friend.
(was a link to it somewhere)

t(o_o)t (ENBB), Sunday, 31 January 2010 01:59 (fourteen years ago) link

eleven months pass...

Counting the days until the cast of Glee covers "What the Hell".

James Mitchell, Monday, 3 January 2011 11:38 (thirteen years ago) link

two months pass...

why did no one call this out for being "hey mickey"?

― tissp, Thursday, November 8, 2007 6:25 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
('girlfriend' WHAT THE HELL, that is)

― tissp, Thursday, November 8, 2007 6:25 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark

fixed.

Great song though! Better than "Born This Way", better than "Party crasher, panty snatcher," better than "Hold It Against Me," SURE AS FUCK a hell of a lot better than "Firework." Why is ILM not loving it?? You fools!!

Mr. Snrub, Sunday, 13 March 2011 23:45 (thirteen years ago) link

four months pass...

any chance of "what the hell" hitting the ILM year-end list? that tune is huge.

dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Saturday, 23 July 2011 00:48 (twelve years ago) link

definitely not, but it will probably be on my ballot

drowning cool (some dude), Saturday, 23 July 2011 00:50 (twelve years ago) link

:( It's the new "Since U Been Gone"

dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Saturday, 23 July 2011 01:31 (twelve years ago) link

lord what the hell rules

markers, Saturday, 23 July 2011 01:39 (twelve years ago) link

i jam 'what the hell' & 'push' a lot tbqh

johnny crunch, Saturday, 23 July 2011 02:14 (twelve years ago) link

i don't really see the comparison to "since u been gone"

J0rdan S., Saturday, 23 July 2011 02:15 (twelve years ago) link

it's not even the new "girlfriend"

J0rdan S., Saturday, 23 July 2011 02:15 (twelve years ago) link

i like the follow-up "Smile" a lot too...kind of a shame that Avril's Max Martin singles are as good as almost anyone else's these days but she's totally getting lost in the crowd

drowning cool (some dude), Saturday, 23 July 2011 02:20 (twelve years ago) link

smile's the best

markers, Saturday, 23 July 2011 02:26 (twelve years ago) link

i don't really see the comparison to "since u been gone"

― J0rdan S., Saturday, July 23, 2011 2:15 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark

the HUGE chorus

dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Saturday, 23 July 2011 09:20 (twelve years ago) link

not any more HUGE than like 17 other Max Martin songs tbh

drowning cool (some dude), Saturday, 23 July 2011 15:17 (twelve years ago) link

I mean, female pop rock wise.

dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Sunday, 24 July 2011 00:21 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weeluzD_hxk

markers, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 17:41 (eleven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFSaNmZyPQo

markers, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 17:41 (eleven years ago) link

what's a bimbox

polyphonic, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 17:42 (eleven years ago) link

Can artists be banned from mentioning Radiohead in their songs?

MarkoP, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 17:48 (eleven years ago) link

wow i threw my headphones out of my ears at that first lyric

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 17:49 (eleven years ago) link

maybe she meant the talking heads song

how's life, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 17:50 (eleven years ago) link

Who the heck sings Radiohead at the top of their lungs?

MarkoP, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 18:00 (eleven years ago) link

song is p good

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 18:01 (eleven years ago) link

it's pretty catchy

polyphonic, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 18:09 (eleven years ago) link

Here's To Never Ever Ever Growing Up Together

ARE YOU HIRING A NANNY OR A SHAMAN (Phil D.), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 18:15 (eleven years ago) link

it just makes me wanna turn it off and listen to "complicated"

teddy dominatrix (dyl), Tuesday, 9 April 2013 20:16 (eleven years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/Gg2ieRP.jpg

markers, Wednesday, 10 April 2013 17:29 (eleven years ago) link

four months pass...

http://i.imgur.com/uIlv5uW.jpg

markers, Saturday, 10 August 2013 16:06 (ten years ago) link

i love "rock n roll"

uberweiss, Saturday, 10 August 2013 16:50 (ten years ago) link

that cover is great

johnny crunch, Saturday, 10 August 2013 17:03 (ten years ago) link


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