hall of fame, next vote...

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You take the first one, Omar.

clemenza, Tuesday, 23 January 2024 23:17 (three months ago) link

Beltre, Mauer...

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 23 January 2024 23:17 (three months ago) link

aaaaand Helton!

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 23 January 2024 23:18 (three months ago) link

Still majorly surprised that Mauer is a first-ballot guy. Not complaining, just surprised.

clemenza, Tuesday, 23 January 2024 23:18 (three months ago) link

Beltre, Helton, Mauer, and that's it

omar little, Tuesday, 23 January 2024 23:19 (three months ago) link

You were like 30 seconds ahead of me, Thermo. Is St. Marys that deep in the woods?

clemenza, Tuesday, 23 January 2024 23:19 (three months ago) link

gonna be curious to see those percentages. not surprised Wagner didn't make it.

omar little, Tuesday, 23 January 2024 23:19 (three months ago) link

does this mean Posey is going to be a first ballot guy now?!

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 23 January 2024 23:23 (three months ago) link

Sheffield is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXP1MSFwMnc

Not sure how he'll fair with the VC, which is much the harder of the two to predict.

(Never doubted that Posey would be first-ballot, I guess because his career ended well rather than petering out--plus, obviously, the WS titles.)

clemenza, Tuesday, 23 January 2024 23:24 (three months ago) link

Under 30% for Utley...that'll change quickly, I think.

clemenza, Tuesday, 23 January 2024 23:25 (three months ago) link

the best chance for several of these guys is the upcoming desert of star candidates, post-suzuki. Posey, Molina, and uh Hamels are the "best" between the Suzuki ballot and the Pujols ballot.

omar little, Tuesday, 23 January 2024 23:29 (three months ago) link

not counting Cano and Braun, who seem like sub-10% guys potentially.

omar little, Tuesday, 23 January 2024 23:31 (three months ago) link

I'm glad Scott Boras isn't sitting on that couch.

clemenza, Tuesday, 23 January 2024 23:33 (three months ago) link

i'd be shocked if Cano was under 10

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 23 January 2024 23:35 (three months ago) link

Hard to say--the writers are especially punitive to players who tested positive well along the timeline.

clemenza, Tuesday, 23 January 2024 23:37 (three months ago) link

plus it was two PED suspensions, and his stats are really impressive but not A-Rod/Manny territory.

omar little, Tuesday, 23 January 2024 23:39 (three months ago) link

i think he's also sort of a curiously forgotten guy, maybe because of the manner in which his career petered out statistically. i've gotta believe he'll do better than Braun for reasons both related to their stats and obv Braun's much worse behavior w/r/t his PED use.

omar little, Tuesday, 23 January 2024 23:41 (three months ago) link

Mauer's only the third first-ballot catcher after Bench and I-Rod.

clemenza, Wednesday, 24 January 2024 05:16 (three months ago) link

poor billy

obviously there are arguments to be made about the true value of relievers, but he was lights-out when it was asked of him

mookieproof, Wednesday, 24 January 2024 05:50 (three months ago) link

Anyone else listen to Grimes’ “We Appreciate Power” and always hear “power” as “Mauer” and then start re-framing the lyrics to be about him?
No one? Ok.

Michael F Gill, Wednesday, 24 January 2024 17:25 (three months ago) link

Next five ballots: https://www.mlb.com/news/future-baseball-hall-of-fame-ballots-preview

clemenza, Wednesday, 24 January 2024 17:40 (three months ago) link

Ichiro, Posey, Pujols, and Cabrera are first ballot inductees i bet. Molina, hard to tell. Sabathia? I'm maybe slightly agnostic on him; as far as lefty starters go he's probably closer to David Wells than he is Clayton Kershaw, but might have to dig in deeper considering the era he pitched in.

guys like Lester and Wainwright had nice careers, not dissimilar at all, but they should be in their team HOFs, not the MLB one.

really kinda curious to see where Granderson, Hernández, Kinsler, and Pedroia wind up in the voting next year. they were all great players to varying levels, though i don't think they would or necessarily should get voted in.

omar little, Wednesday, 24 January 2024 17:59 (three months ago) link

Jimmy Key (among my favourite Jays ever) and Russell Martin into the Canadian Baseball HOF.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/article/martin-key-among-six-inductees-to-enter-canadian-baseball-hall-of-fame/

clemenza, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 15:23 (two months ago) link

Paul Godfrey, I should mention, was instrumental in getting Toronto a franchise. He engineered the deal that almost landed us the Giants in '76, before George Moscone rescued them and kept them in San Francisco.

clemenza, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 15:43 (two months ago) link

one month passes...

Comparison graphics frequently turn up on my FB wall. Some of them are far-fetched special pleading--someone trying to make a case that Dale Murphy was better than Reggie Jackson, stuff like that. One caught my eye today: John Smoltz vs. Kevin Brown. The graphic provided overall stats, i.e. including Smoltz's years as a closer, and their career lines were very similar. Just as starters:

Smoltz: 209-149, 3.40, 7.90 K/9, 2.92 K/BB, 1.192 WHIP, 3211.2 IP
Brown: 210-143, 3.26, 6.60 K/9, 2.67 K/BB, 1.219 WHIP, 3237.2 IP

Again, very close. I thought Brown might actually come out looking better, but I think there's a small but clear edge there to Smoltz. When you add 1) Smoltz's three seasons as a first-rate closer (a role that, if I remember correctly, he volunteered to step into), 2) Smoltz's stellar post-season record (overall, Brown was mediocre in the post-season in a much smaller sample), and 3) Brown's PED associations, it's more clear-cut why Smoltz in the HOF and Brown isn't than I thought it would be.

clemenza, Thursday, 28 March 2024 02:24 (four weeks ago) link


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