Robert Johnson - Classic or Dud?

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This whole debate goes way beyond primitive recordings from the 1930s and earlier. You’ll find countless number of rock & roll and R&B tracks from the 1950s and early ’60s on Spotify and Apple Music that sound dramatically different. They’re the same recordings, but one might be mono, the other stereo (or fake stereo). One may have a more solid bass sound, the other tinny. One may sound clear as a bell, the other muddy as the Mississippi. One might sound “dead,” another may have had excessive reverb added.
My favorite version of Little Richard’s “Rip it Up,” for example, sounds dead — no echo or reverb whatsoever — but it sounds immediate and slaps like crazy. The dead studio sound is actually pretty common for a lot of New Orleans-style rock & roll and R&B from the ’50s. That version sounds the most natural to me, but the much more common version you’ll find has reverb. Which one is the “right” one? Even the original label, Specialty, has released different-sounding versions. IDK, I just know what I like.

TO BE A JAZZ SINGER YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SCAT (Jazzbo), Friday, 23 February 2024 20:43 (two months ago) link

Did Elijah Wald weigh in yet?

The Ginger Bakersfield Sound (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 23 February 2024 20:45 (two months ago) link

A band is recording an album for my label at the beginning of March, and I'm considering putting out two versions: if you buy the CD (or the digital files from Bandcamp), you'll get stereo, but if you listen to it on a streaming service, it'll be in mono.

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Friday, 23 February 2024 20:57 (two months ago) link

Not too sure about this one. It sounds a bit off and overdone to an 'uncanny valley' sort of degree.

It sounds like what it is, an attempt to turn Robert Johnson's recordings into something they are not.
They will always sound like they were done in the 1930s, because that is when they were done.
The convolution reverb is a strange idea. A musician doesn't perform the same way in a hotel room as a concert hall. I don't think you can just throw some convolution on and be done with it. And not sure if there is a need either.

The original recordings are distorted, sure. But in trying to reverse that, they are merely distorting the recordings a second time.

I actually do think you can say that the original 78 recordings are probably closer to what happened on the day. Think of it this way, the 78s add one layer of distortion, whereas these add a second layer of distortion. I think it is statistically very improbable that the second distortion brings us closer to what Robert Johnson would have sounded like in the room.

Not to come off as too much of a purist, I think the important point for me is that this one doesn't quite come off. I feel like other remasters have done a more tasteful job of cleaning up just the right amount without trying to make the recordings into something they're not.

mirostones, Saturday, 24 February 2024 01:49 (two months ago) link

Need one of RJ & Bonamassa shaking hands.

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 24 February 2024 04:08 (two months ago) link

Lol

The Ginger Bakersfield Sound (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 24 February 2024 04:31 (two months ago) link

Dion DiMucci has a big Robert Johnson portrait he painted himself hanging prominently in his living room iirc

The Ginger Bakersfield Sound (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 24 February 2024 04:32 (two months ago) link

It’s a far cry from using echo or digital reverberation to try and hide problems in recordings!

lol. some things never change.

budo jeru, Saturday, 24 February 2024 05:05 (two months ago) link

this is an interesting project

thought I would hate it but to me it's ultimately more like Peter Jackson's They Shall Not Grow Old than George Lucas' special editions

corrs unplugged, Monday, 26 February 2024 08:43 (two months ago) link

Those samples sound pretty awful, the noise swells and shapes with the vocal so I feel like I've got sand in my ear and someone's riding the fader to mute the background.

assert (matttkkkk), Monday, 26 February 2024 10:30 (two months ago) link


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