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I think you're more thinking of Freaky Friday, I don't remember Trading Places having a speech by Eddie Murphy's character about how now he's learned life is tough for rich dudes too.

Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 23 April 2024 19:41 (one week ago) link

speaking of needing a better library, it does seem like the "be reasonable, accept incremental change" faction helped vote in the mayor who cut library services in order to massively increase cop budgets to fight a nonexistent crime wave and arrest NYU students.

JoeStork, Tuesday, 23 April 2024 19:46 (one week ago) link

We need to have a Trading Places feature where posters can live in each other's circumstances for a week, learn to empathize and then post as the other person.

― Halfway there but for you

see the interesting thing is that i know what life as a cishet white man is. and it turns out it's not actually because i'm a white trans woman. see, as far as i can tell, everybody has to know what life as a cishet white man is like! because they're "normal" and basically everything has to be done with their approval or shit doesn't get done.

i also wouldn't trade places with anyone for a week, if i had a choice at all about it. i'm pretty happy with who i am, overall. also, the last time i let somebody else post as me, he made death threats against a united states presidential candidate and i got kicked out of college. so _that's_ not happening again if i can help it.

Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 23 April 2024 19:58 (one week ago) link

If you’re not a serial killer targeting investment bankers can you even claim to be anti-capitalist?

papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 23 April 2024 19:59 (one week ago) link

I've def been having more fantasies of being a billionaire assassin lately

octobeard, Tuesday, 23 April 2024 20:19 (one week ago) link

unless you’re “doing something” you’re not allowed to complain, I learned this from white men during the nfl “stand for the flag” nonsense

brimstead, Tuesday, 23 April 2024 20:21 (one week ago) link

i don't want to kill billionaires, i just want to make them have to pay me rent

that sounds like it'd be a pretty sweet gig

Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 23 April 2024 20:36 (one week ago) link

I’m sorry but the “you are going to die sooner” remark is gross and also makes no sense… someone closer to death would be more likely to want faster change … because they have less time to lose?

Honestly ILX is for complaints of all kinds

sarahell, Tuesday, 23 April 2024 20:37 (one week ago) link

Based on generational attitudes toward climate change that is appears to be untrue.

papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 23 April 2024 20:45 (one week ago) link

Exactly, didn’t think it was a very abstract point I was making.

Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Tuesday, 23 April 2024 20:46 (one week ago) link

Based on generational attitudes toward climate change that is appears to be untrue.


As if that’s the only problem currently being debated in US politics…

sarahell, Tuesday, 23 April 2024 21:04 (one week ago) link

"I’m sorry but the “you are going to die sooner” remark is gross and also makes no sense… someone closer to death would be more likely to want faster change … because they have less time to lose?"

Absolutely not. Older voters who have pensions and mortgages paid off lean conservative. A lot of them go on several holidays a year and have no idea why younger people are struggling.

They voted in the system, it worked for them. A lot of them are in denial about climate change.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 23 April 2024 21:06 (one week ago) link

Honestly ILX is for complaints of all kinds

OTM

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 23 April 2024 21:06 (one week ago) link

Older voters who have pensions and mortgages paid off lean conservative. A lot of them go on several holidays a year and have no idea why younger people are struggling.

How do you define "older"?

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 23 April 2024 21:07 (one week ago) link

"pensions"

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 23 April 2024 21:11 (one week ago) link

We need to have a Trading Places feature where posters can live in each other's circumstances for a week, learn to empathize and then post as the other person.


I volunteer to be Ned

Are you addicted to struggling with your horse? (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 23 April 2024 21:18 (one week ago) link

"I've gone off MBV"

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 23 April 2024 21:19 (one week ago) link

Look, I'm just going to say something: I don't dislike unperson, as much as he may dislike me. We actually agree on some matters both politically and aesthetically, and I don't have a problem finding common ground with him when I can.

The issue is that I don't like being slandered as some sort holier-than-thou couch warrior, because while I can be pretty strident in my views in ways that are pretty well-known to everyone on this board, I am also not just spouting shit off on the internet. I *do* shit around my community. I want a better world for us all, and if that means wanting a world that doesn't exist yet, then so be it. I will keep doing what I do in the meantime while hoping that my small part might help bring about that better world.

What I refuse to accept is that working only within structures that we have now will create much change. Thinking outside of them might be idealistic, but it's also necessary.

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Tuesday, 23 April 2024 21:23 (one week ago) link

Look, I'm just going to say something: I don't dislike unperson, as much as he may dislike me. We actually agree on some matters both politically and aesthetically, and I don't have a problem finding common ground with him when I can.

I don't dislike you either. I don't dislike anyone here on a personal level, not even gyac. When I respond to someone, I am always and only responding to their words on the screen. And I have a lot of respect for the local actions you describe. My mom does a lot of the same things — driving for Meals on Wheels, doing people's taxes for free with the United Way, probably some other stuff too. (And yet she also takes multiple vacations every year — she's off to Europe next month!) I will always feel that local action is all that can reasonably be expected of people, and where the potential for real benefit lies. Certain economic and social structures only work on a small scale. A self-selecting community, maybe a town, maybe a small and mostly ethnically homogeneous country. But the US is more than 50 countries, crudely lashed together. No one system is ever gonna work for all of them.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Tuesday, 23 April 2024 21:33 (one week ago) link

As if that’s the only problem currently being debated in US politics…

As if that’s the only country being discussed, posted from, or affected by climate change

bae (sic), Tuesday, 23 April 2024 21:47 (one week ago) link

We need to have a Trading Places feature where posters can live in each other's circumstances for a week, learn to empathize and then post as the other person.

ilm already full of posts about Macca sins

145 feet up in a Jeffrey Pine (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 23 April 2024 21:49 (one week ago) link

(xp) It's OK we're used to everything being about the US by now.

Not waving but droning (Tom D.), Tuesday, 23 April 2024 21:51 (one week ago) link

America has colonised our sub boards

Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 23 April 2024 21:53 (one week ago) link

I volunteer to trade places with literally anyone else

ain't nothin but a brie thing, baby (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 23 April 2024 22:28 (one week ago) link

I don't want any of you talking to my family so I'm going to have to withdraw from the Freaky Friday scheme. Nothing personal

H.P, Tuesday, 23 April 2024 22:56 (one week ago) link

I’m not wasting my Trading Places on anyone a) not rich and b) who I’d feel bad about robbing.

If Elon Musk is in the news for giving away all his Tesla stock and then dying in a tragic Cybertruck autoasphyxiation accident, it wasn’t me.

papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 23 April 2024 23:20 (one week ago) link

Certain economic and social structures only work on a small scale. A self-selecting community, maybe a town, maybe a small and mostly ethnically homogeneous country.

― Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson)

my frustration is that the people i want to be in community with can't make it work even on a small scale. to make those economic and social structures work you have to have, well. there has to be a certain amount of _stability_. the dream of a stable, sustainable, small community - i mean it didn't work with places like oneida, and it's not gonna work any better with queer people. and look:

When I respond to someone, I am always and only responding to their words on the screen.

at the risk of engaging in tedious semantics, i don't think that's true! there's no reason to assume that people who complain about capitalism _don't_ engage in local community. everybody fills in what they don't know about people from somewhere inside their own head. in my case, i just assume as a default that everybody i talk to is also a severely traumatized polyamorous transgender communist. and then i get confused when people suggest i should try and get library funding measures on the local ballot.

for the record i think basically well of everyone here. a lot of this is that my memory isn't great and i have difficulty keeping track of people i might have grudges against. if anybody thinks poorly of me, i mean, that's their business. i've said and done some fucked up stuff, but basically i like myself and think i'm a good person - to the extent that i'm not gonna go out of my way to try and change anybody else's opinions of me.

Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 00:18 (one week ago) link

I volunteer to trade places with literally anyone else

― ain't nothin but a brie thing, baby (Neanderthal)

neando, i like you enough that if it was actually possible i might just take you up on that. you deserve a week's vacation.

Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 00:20 (one week ago) link

everybody fills in what they don't know about people from somewhere inside their own head. in my case, i just assume as a default that everybody i talk to is also a severely traumatized polyamorous transgender communist.

I'm 6'2", but I don't think of myself as tall, so I walk around subconsciously expecting other men to be as tall as me, and then I meet them and am often left thinking, Wow, you're really short! What's up with that? It's a dumb thing to think/believe/expect, but I can't seem to shake it.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 00:31 (one week ago) link

lol thank you for helping us fill in our concept of you

mookieproof, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 00:40 (one week ago) link

you should kick. you afraid of you?

schrodingers cat was always cool (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 02:48 (one week ago) link

To the non US posters, my reference to US Politics was not intended to center the US, but to refer to where this conflict originated… also, it sounds like old people get a much better deal where you live… speaking as someone who is likely to die sooner than ilx’s millennials… I have a shit ton of anxiety about the affordability of health care, the social security system, and affordable housing that is accessible for people with mobility problems… because those are things that I am going to be dealing with sooner and I think a lot has to change pretty damn quickly

sarahell, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 03:30 (one week ago) link

just looking at the first paragraph, the title of the journal, and the masthead reminded me how long I've been out of academia because I don't know what the title of the magazine means (I probably did at one point, or maybe it's newer trendy term that I'm too old to know), I did recognize the name of a former professor whose class I rarely showed up for, and I confess at first it made me think of the bird vomit eating thing ... reverse peristalsis.

sarahell, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 04:11 (one week ago) link

but it has an @

schrodingers cat was always cool (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 04:20 (one week ago) link

lol maybe it doesnt and i’m guessin wrong if so sorry

schrodingers cat was always cool (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 04:20 (one week ago) link

haha well no, it’s an “&.” and i know the derivation is etc, but i’m too proud to look up the symbol name

schrodingers cat was always cool (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 04:27 (one week ago) link

*reading ilx feedback* thanks all, here is to more abstract bitching about capitalism while doing nothing whatsoever on the ground to abolish it.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 08:34 (one week ago) link

I will never vote for anything again, ever.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 08:34 (one week ago) link

don't think abolish capitalism is o the ballot anyway, alas

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 09:18 (one week ago) link

film poll results should improve marginally if nothing else

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 09:28 (one week ago) link

Good stuff, deems.

Not waving but droning (Tom D.), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 09:34 (one week ago) link

... oops, that was meant for the football thread but...

Not waving but droning (Tom D.), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 09:35 (one week ago) link

lol im tweaking noses today is all

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 09:46 (one week ago) link

film poll results should improve marginally if nothing else

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 bookmarkflaglink

That's right

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 10:12 (one week ago) link

Just checking because I haven’t read that thread much, but are people pissed about the abstract vs literal thing and being weird about that now, or am I just reading this thread incorrectly

z_tbd, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 14:18 (one week ago) link

you lib!

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 14:34 (one week ago) link

I’ve said so many things in the past, in general, I assume that at least one of them was completely unforgivable

z_tbd, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 14:54 (one week ago) link

I GOT THE BLUES!

what kinda blues you got, austin?

MY AMP'S BROKE! IT WON'T MAKE NO SOUNDS!

okay, what shade of blue is that?

I GOT THE JOHN CAGE 4'33 BLUES!!!

that's right. you are infinite.

interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 15:23 (one week ago) link

film poll results should improve marginally if nothing else

I pledge that as long as I’m running the year-of poll that RCV will be retained

bae (sic), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 22:44 (one week ago) link

Is that actually what a pregnant horse looks like?!!

sarahell, Saturday, 27 April 2024 13:02 (one week ago) link


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