Bands/Artists whose imitators are better than they are

I should hear this Lifter Puller...

yeh i agree, i cringed on several occasions. some of you people are t-r-i-p-p-i-n-g..

I've already enraged several hilarious rockists to the point of incoherent internet fury (possibly) by suggesting that Electric Wizard do this to Sabbath. Now it's your turn for a spot of mild iconoclasm!

Wooden Shjips > Les Rallizes Denudes

I have this feeling occasionally about the self - titled Paramore vs. Blondie. I'll have to hear another album or two of new stuff though before I'd go around starting arguments with people about it though.

Wow I totally read this thread wrong. I was thinking about how over time The Musical Box became better at playing Genesis songs than Genesis ever was.

Aerosmith: Royal Trux

agree w/ this but then again I've never listened to aerosmith

listen to the "Get Your Wings" LP at once, it rules

Electric Wizard are a doom metal band from Dorset, England. The band formed in 1993 and have recorded seven full length albums, two of which are now considered to be genre landmarks: Come My Fanatics... and Dopethrone.[2][3] Electric Wizard's brand of doom metal incorporates stoner and sludge traits, with lyrics focusing on the occult, witchcraft, H.P. Lovecraft, horror films and cannabis.

Justin "Jus" Oborn is the lead vocalist, lead electric guitarist and lyricist of Electric Wizard, an influential doom metal/stoner metal band from Dorset, England.[1] Prior to forming Electric Wizard, Oborn was a member of the band Lord of Putrefaction, which changed its name to Thy Grief Eternal[2] and then to Eternal.

Justin was known as "Fuzz" by his friends at his primary school in Wimborne Minster.

imo this is always more interesting when the bands who do the "bettering" actually kind of epic-ly fail in their copy: see Miles Davis thinking he was playing music like Sly Stone or Jimi Hendrix on Bitches Brew, Led Zeppelin playing old blues songs, Magma wanting to play spiritual music a la Coltrane

I've already enraged several hilarious rockists to the point of incoherent internet fury (possibly) by suggesting that Electric Wizard do this to Sabbath. Now it's your turn for a spot of mild iconoclasm!

― imago, Thursday, April 17, 2014 2:16 PM

don't flatter yourself, you're just being roundly mocked as per usual

really does feel like ILM is entirely populated by jaded rock-critic canon-fodder [sic] sometimes

^delightful morbsian oh forget it

but yeah you're right, there's absolutely no way any sane adult could possibly commit the grievous aesthetic error of deeming Electric Wizard to be subjectively more enjoyable than Black Sabbath - it's impossible; such a person could not exist, and insanity is the only logical diagnosis

not heard electric wizard but their wikipedia page makes them sound like what the 'ukip and dragons' demographic (c) clive martin move onto once they graduate from biffy clyro

anyway, back to Dominique's interesting point...I'd say that black metal is a really fecund birthing-place for all sorts of incredible music that fundamentally & often wilfully misunderstands 'black metal' but is often far more thrilling (imo)

electric wizard are basically the movie 'the wicker man' if it was a band. no bad thing, srsly. they're not fkn coheed & cambria or such

I have no idea how imago jumped from "people are probably mocking you" to that sentence he italicised as though someone had actually said it.

Electric Wizard are alright, though.

Re: Favourite UK Bands by Gav in Other Bands & Artists

In no particular order:

Carcass, My Dying Bride, Paradise Lost, Therapy?, Anathema, Hell Is For Heroes, Godflesh, Biffy Clyro, The Wildhearts, Killing Joke, Terrorvision, Sikth, yourcodenameis:milo, The Horrors, Winnebago Deal, 80’s Matchbox, Electric Wizard, Fighting With Wire, Million Dead, Fudge Tunnel, Gallows, Oceansize, Send More Paramedics, Almighty, The Cult, Alter Of Plagues.

Posted on Tue, 1 June 2010 at 14:07

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#10FavouriteBands Electric Wizard, Sleep, Nirvana, Jimi Hendrix, Black Sabbath, Steak Number Eight, Maiden, Nine Inch Nails, Biffy Clyro.

a la lamp

Carcass v good
My Dying Bride p good
Paradise Lost idk
Therapy? idk
Anathema v v v good
Hell Is For Heroes idk
Godflesh v v v good
Biffy Clyro yeah ok they're abysmal
The Wildhearts you cannot kill my love
Killing Joke v good
Terrorvision idk
Sikth idk
yourcodenameis:milo awful
The Horrors p good sometimes
Winnebago Deal idk
80’s Matchbox idk
Electric Wizard v good
Fighting With Wire idk
Million Dead frank turner
Fudge Tunnel idk
Gallows idk
Oceansize you cannot kill my love
Send More Paramedics idk
Almighty idk
The Cult idk
Alter Of Plagues idk

Gav is not doing too badly here imo

electric wizard's brit church of england horror steez is q similar to uncle acid and the deadbeats, nowhere fucking near biffy clyro's lamentable jock insouciance

i'm allowed to say that coz i was in scotland just now and i liked it so i'm kinda part scottish rn

Electric Wizard are good! They obvioulsy love Black Sabbath too, but coming at it from a sludge-metal, post-Melvins angle? I actually got into them before I delved into Sabbath, tho in all honesty, listen to Sabbath more now.

re: black metal, imago -- I can only speak for myself, but black metal has been an entryway into metal that no other genre (including Sabbath/Electric Wizard doom, or Meshuggah style prog-thrash) has sparked for me. There is something about it that lends itself to so many other kinds of music, and the range of bands who influenced, play or were inspired by BM is really big! That Darkspace you recommended is great, and tho it is clearly BM in style, it's also something I've since recommended to friends who either aren't metal fans at all (but who love, say, Swans), and to metal loving friends who normally listen to stuff like Electric Wizard ;)

Fudge Tunnel are local heroes. I don't even like them really but I'd be on their side in a fight.

I'm surprised by some of the "idk"s in that list.

3xps

lj have you really never heard terrorvision

and you feign ignorance of gallows but i refuse to believe you weren't a rat up the drainpipe of grindie in 2005

I think the reason I prefer EW to BS is the sludge-metal angle - the thicker sound, the murk, the roiling mist of sonic excess from which these dark British rites emerge - Sabbath have always been a bit thin for my tastes (I know this sounds preposterous - I should probably listen to them more, really; I only have the debut, Paranoid and Master Of Reality - is there another album of theirs I might prefer?)

Black metal has inspired so much of my favourite recent music that I'm seriously hesitant before ruling music out of being black metal; I'd like to think that the term itself is expanding as broadly as its attendant demeanour is applied to a wider palette of sounds. Certainly the more 'avant-garde' end of BM is my pet area and I can see why it'd appeal to fans of expressive & extreme music in other genres perhaps more than trad BM.

As for you, Dominique, I'm not going to adjudge any Rundgren comparisons :P

christ, why does it seem like I'd be into all sorts of terrible British noise-indie? ;)

gav's list is alright imo, pleasingly uncontrived, the first google result for clyro+wizard is pfunkboy bemoaning the former's presence in a kerrang eoy list in bookended by the latter, but it makes sense that out there in the real world brit rock club scene there is a nonjudgmental potpourri of terrorizer bands, ilm/wire favourites and plenty of mtv 2 dork rock

sabbath's 'thinness' doesn't really convey anything other than the morés or limits of 70s production though? it's not like there could possibly have been 70s music that sounds like xasthur either

VDGG were 70s music that I find to be an order of maybe 10^3 x heavier than Sabbath

alright im playing 'Track one from the album Black Masses (2010). Shoot me a message if you'd like a song uploaded that isn't already on YouTube' right now and i can see why you like this, but again it's almost like someone hearing the strokes in 2001 and saying they sound like how richard hell should have sounded, it's wisdom after the fact,the accretion of three/four decades of people crafting revisions and reductions of 'the black sabbath sound' that distorts perceptions of the original template

black sabbath don't sound like the retroactively imaged platonic-ideal-of-sabbath so much as they sound like a 70s rock band

Soft Machine had some fucking intense heavy moments too. Heft was there but a lot of it was in the prog/jazz fusion scene. Or Japan (LRD, Takanayagi etc). I think Captain Beyond are some incredibly good heavy rock from the start of the 70s.

That's a fair point though - I'm probably looking for something in Sabbath that isn't there? I did go in open-minded & haven't been convinced. EW bring the sonic shock and awe after the fact, yes, but I don't mind deconstructing narratives of accretion and lineage

you actually do need to hear those sabbath lps on vinyl if you're interested in trying.

in all seriousness. turn out the lights and spark a doob.

ok, some day I shall.

am listening to the 'black masses' album for the first time & despite really needing to go to bed am having trouble turning it off

are you still on a train

probably left what sense I had on one tbqh

Aerosmith: Royal Trux is wrong, at least with regards to Aerosmith's prime 70s records. And I say this as a Trux fan who got into Aerosmith after hearing Hagerty mention them.

I just listened to get your wings this is great

LOL what Beatles imitators are better than them? Cos if i've been sleeping on an album that is better than "Revolver" please set me straight!