Black Metal vs Death Metal

There must be a country-gore group somewhere, right? A DM spinoff band.

Jeff Walker & Die Flüffers - Welcome to Carcass Cuntry

ahh yes, of course.

And then there's wrnlrd, a one man bm act from Arlington with bluegrass influences. Guess that should've been the other way around, bm = c&w, dm = bluegrass.

i should've put a Hood option in for louis

The Cobalt album from this year has a biggish country influence at certain points... but doesn't sound very BM all that much so eh

Only death is real

― Øystein H-O (Øystein H-O), Saturday, February 7, 2004 2:47 PM (5 years ago) Bookmark

vs.

http://i27.tinypic.com/14c8sv9.jpg

(still voting black though :-) )

you're so european stan ;)

Death metal for me without question. John summed up a lot of the arguments I'd make, but the fundamental one is that the basic sonic framework of black metal (the ultra-trebley guitars, the lack of rhythmic complexity, the high-pitched screeching vocals) is something I can only take in very, very small doses, particularly on disc. Black metal can work live - the recent Marduk show in NYC was terrific, with a full, roaring sound from all the bands on the bill - but on disc, for me anyway, it starts out annoying and then has to add elements to mitigate the basic annoyance factor.

i love a lot of black metal, but its death for me all the way. as a metal fan, i'm probably 40% doom, 30% death, 15% black, 15% other stuff. my roots are sabbath and judas priest and punk/hardcore. other then the biggest thrash bands and crossover bands of the 80's i didn't listen to ENDLESS amounts of thrash in the 80's. heck, once i heard slayer i never really needed to listen to overkill or exodus again (no offense to overkill or exodus. i actually listen to them more now!). um, that's just a way of saying that i WELCOMED death metal with open arms. cuz it was basically everything i loved about my fave bands like d.r.i. and discharge and ssd and celtic frost and slayer rolled up into one big awesome scary ball.

love them both, but ive chosen blackness

yay, I am an influence

youre just here to see if ill mess up and post u-lv.er without bypassing your tricksiness

...maybe

Black metal for basically all the reason unperson picked against it.

If I saw more live metal shows, I might choose black metal, because I enjoy its visual style and theatrical OTTness. But I've been disappointed a few too many times by black metal albums I really wanted to like. Death metal rarely disappoints in the same way, maybe because of the genre/musicianship expectations mentioned upthread.

I think a doom option might have swept this poll.

I've been scanning these threads and not reading them in-depth, so if someone could point me towards the discussion where the distinction between black metal and death metal was laid out, I'll go there and not try to recreate that conversation here.

death metal is more "urrrurruurrrruurrrrrr" black metal is more "yiiyiiyiiyiiiii"

it works better if you are here in the room with me while i do the noises

That makes it seem like death metal is a German shepherd and black metal is a chihuahua.

That's not inaccurate although the mexican-ish of black metal is kind of toned down most of the time.

I think a doom option might have swept this poll.

Which is why it was kept to DM vs BM. Doom won the other metal genre polls.

ha

I guess I should get to the point; I like Emperor, Therion and Opeth, so does that mean I should vote black or LJ?

Which is why it was kept to DM vs BM. Doom won the other metal genre polls.

Makes sense to me. The other problem would have been trying to decide what kind of dog does doom metal vocals.

Actually, the vocals on the first couple of Esoteric albums sound exactly like a really big dog barking one floor down from where you are.

i think the last time there was a metal genre poll there was 50 options and still people complained about subgenres that were missing.

I'll do a Doom vs Thrash poll if you want.

Thrash vs Doom

the latter option is only for those who like avant garde bm but dont like the rest of BM

― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 25 August 2009 14:03 (7 hours ago) Bookmark

What if you DO like the rest of BM?

Need to hear more DM before voting.

if you like all bm you vote bm obviously

What is avant garbe BM? Ulver? Later Emperor/Enslaved? Or just American BM?

Louis you must hear http://open.spotify.com/album/5nrZejD99ZmAXrmrouIJcU

and even more
http://www.headbanger.us/gallerie_e/bilder/entombed_wolverine_blues_front.jpg

which is easily in my top 10 metal albums of all time. prob the 1st "extreme metal" album i bought (if you dont include Godflesh or industrial stuff as 'metal'

What would Absu be classified as?

haha i remember reading about "wolvering blues" in wizard magazine. there was an "animated" video to this right? (but it was just cutouts of wolverine zooming in and out)

a wolverine, or the X-men character?

What would Absu be classified as?

but more specifically: SUMERIAN WAR METAL

Absolutely, but would they be considered avant-garde? They have interludes of other types of music on one of their albums, so they're not as straightforwardly metal as some that I've heard.

Not to cop out but I really enjoy about a dozen titles in each genre to a huge degree.

I just care if the bands are good, not what style they fit with.

Overall, I got into a lot more death metal first because I don't naturally appreciate lofi production. Morbid Angel's Domination has to be the best production of any truly extreme metal until Slipknot came along.

I'm pretty sick of black metal by now, but that Mayhem show this year was one of the best concerts I've ever seen.

I vote Doom.

but that Mayhem show this year was one of the best concerts I've ever seen.

Some of my friends went and they all said it was awesome. I'm only now getting into it - first, I was on the opposite side of what I perceived as a punk - metal divide, then because it was a hipster thing to do, then I stopped caring

"Morbid Angel's Domination has to be the best production of any truly extreme metal until Slipknot came along."

OUCH! and i even like slipknot...

lol

Choosing early death metal vs. early black metal, black metal wins out, easily. These days it's a lot closer in my opinion, there's great stuff and boring crap on either side.

I don't care for Slipknot. I just project/imagine that they are getting ridiculous budgets to make really heavy music.

Domination was recorded over 3 months in Morrisound studio. I doubt any other underground death metal band ever had such a luxury.

"Choosing early death metal vs. early black metal, black metal wins out, easily. These days it's a lot closer in my opinion, there's great stuff and boring crap on either side."

I dunno--I'll take Morbid Tales and Scream Bloody Gore over Venom and Bathory any day of the week. So maybe my true allegiance is showing through.

ALL BLACK, ALL THE TIME

I always want to prefer black metal, but death metal delivers for me more often. Would def take Celtic Frost and Bathory over early Death and Repulsion, though.

One could make convincing arguments that Morbid Tales is either proto-death or proto-black. But yeah, I'd definitely take Venom and Bathory over Scream Bloody Gore. That's just me!

Oh yeah, def agree Celtic Frost could take either side comfortably, but they've just got that European thing which puts them in my mind's BM camp.

celtic frost transcend genre tags. they influenced EVERYONE. i mean, i'd take good celtic frost over, like, most music in general.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNQve866m0g

I can't fathom the cross-licensing meeting that took place behind this (but I am picturing Stan Lee there gesticulating wildly)

great album

"what are peoples pick-10 for death metal albums"

there's a thread.

TS: Death Metal vs. Black Metal

pov: death metal albums

POV: Early 90s Death Metal

xpost - I guess Marduk is just so extreme and well produced that I can't think of it as black metal. Emperor's Equilibrium IX is pretty death metal in its way too.

I thought Marduk was BM?

Whatever. :)

lol

¿so is all black metal hella racisty?

no.

No.

"Is all rap misogynistic?"

nah i mean i heard some burzum and it was really awesome and my friend was all "hey that stuff is bad news" or whatever. the wikipedia page says they're all nazis i was just wonderin

Oh well, yeah Burzum is definitely a special case - for many reasons.

But it's not represented within the musics or lyrics, most of his racist stuff came while he was in jail wasnt it? Anyway there's actual NSBM that is way worse than Burzum et al

lol @ jj's description

surprising result. I think "in general", I'm definitely a death metal maven - most all of my favorites are death metal bands. But when it comes to the elite, the top black metal acts can be transcedent (like your Immortals and such).

I still would have voted death metal.

did lj get into death metal?

and if so, why?

it would be the arty/proggy kind obviously

btw if anyone here liked Weakling (or The Gault), they might be interested to know that John Gossard has formed a new BM project called Dispirit. I bought the demo tape and it's really really great. Cant wait for a full length.

You can check out some clips here & order it if you want to.

http://dispirit.org/

viceroy did you check it out?

SEND BACK MY STAMPS!: THE EARLY DEATH METAL ZINE GRAVEYARD
http://sendbackmystamps.org/

best fuckin site

wanted to post it in here as the link would get lost on the rolling metal thread plus a lot of people don't read it due to its pace/promo talk.
I know plenty will enjoy it (and possibly share stories of putting glue over stamps to wash off postmarks so they can be re-used)

Fuck, I wish I was cool enough to have known about this sort of stuff when it was out. This interview with Dan Lilker at the 9:30 Club (the old 9:30 club!) would have blown my 1991 mind. Thanks for sharing!

i just saw it posted on Forever Doomed and thought plenty ilx metalheads would get a kick out of it.

or 2 anyway

some good reading here for sure

I think that Strongbad mixes up Death Metal and Black Metal at times (and glam too!) but otherwise, this is the best thing you will ever watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cya3yjWWyqE

Okay guys, in the next ten minutes: help me choose whether to read:

Sound of the Beast
Lords of Chaos
or
Choosing Death

on the bus ride home today.

black metal is the wrong answer but uhm I submit this stanza from Christraping Black Metal:

"The daughters of satan abuses your body
And drool in ecstasy when you die
While our warriors rips the beard
Of your idiot father halls up high"