2006 NLCS New York Mets vs. St. Louis Cardinals

Message Bookmarked
Bookmark Removed
Not all messages are displayed: show all messages (255 of them)
Gotten over the idea of quitting baseball fandom since Friday night... Upper-deck Sec. 11 had the most cretinous, drunken crowd I’ve been subjected to in 37 seasons of going to Shea. Abusing Cardinal fans, standing at random points, beer after beer -- my friend saw some fool in a Yankee jersey midgame get bathed with the contents of ketchup and mustard tubs at the concessions (victim was so shitfaced he found it hilarious and invited folks to put cigarettes out on him) ...Plus the Mets would NOT let ticketholders watch BP from the field boxes if you had a ticket for another level (as they do in the regular season), so fuck them (and "God Bless America"), no more postseason attendance for me.

Also, last row of the section = wind blowing directly on you for 5 hours.

Nice touch: Psycho theme on PA when LaRussa comes out to mound.

I don't wanna see Trachsel throw another pitch.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 12:32 (seventeen years ago) link

milton bradley and frank thomas are the only non-boring elements of the a's, imo.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 13:48 (seventeen years ago) link

my friend saw some fool in a Yankee jersey midgame get bathed with the contents of ketchup and mustard tubs at the concessions (victim was so shitfaced he found it hilarious and invited folks to put cigarettes out on him)

this is really funny though (mainly because he was a Yankees fan)

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 13:56 (seventeen years ago) link

milton bradley and frank thomas are the only non-boring elements of the a's, imo.
-- hstencil (hstenc!...), Today 7:48 AM. (hstencil)

= I DON'T LIKE WHITES AND LATINOS.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 14:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Shea forecast looks fine for Wed & Thurs.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 14:36 (seventeen years ago) link

i like latinas, tho.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 14:42 (seventeen years ago) link

David Wright is not latina.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 15:37 (seventeen years ago) link

i like david wright! don't wanna marry him tho.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 15:46 (seventeen years ago) link

is it true the PA was playing "White Lines" when Strawberry came out to throw the first pitch?

▒█▄█ ▄▄▄ ▒█▄█ , Tuesday, 17 October 2006 19:29 (seventeen years ago) link

T/S: David Wright vs. A-Rod

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 23:32 (seventeen years ago) link

This game is making me uneasy.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 01:45 (seventeen years ago) link

being held to 2 runs by Taco Weaver twice in one series prolly means you don't deserve to lose to the Tigers (of course series ain't over but wonder kids wright & reyes have to show up)

timmy tannin (pompous), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 02:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Damn it.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 02:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Mets are in big trouble.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 02:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Good pitching by the Cards though, they certainly hit all the right corners of the strike zone (and a couple lucky ones.)

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 02:47 (seventeen years ago) link

question: if Maine falters early (very likely), do you bring in Oliver? I'm curious because I would definitely have Oliver as my game 7 starter, but I doubt Willie would ever let that happen. (Probably won't be an issue anyway unless Mets get to Carpenter very early tomorrow)

timmy tannin (pompous), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 03:01 (seventeen years ago) link

a fucking shame. a tigers/mets series would have been so good.

i guess on the plus side there's a chance for the Cards to get swept three years in a row. 12 consecutive WS game losses has to be some kind of record, if 8 isn't already.

▒█▄█ ▄▄▄ ▒█▄█ , Wednesday, 18 October 2006 03:04 (seventeen years ago) link

The Astros got swept last year.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 03:13 (seventeen years ago) link

being held to 2 runs by Taco Weaver twice in one series prolly means you don't deserve to lose to the Tigers

To be fair, Weaver has been a much better pitcher in the last few weeks, not just against the Mets.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 04:20 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah, he's improved of late, but in the context of trying to get to the world series when your own pitching staff is fucked, not really acceptable to be schooled by weaver

timmy tannin (pompous), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 05:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Esp the Old Fuckin' Reyes flying out on the first fuckin' pitch of the 5th. I want Rickey waiting for him at his house.

tigers/mets series would have been so good.

This shit ain't ovah, you ninnies! Carpenter didn't exactly stump them on Friday.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 12:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Really don't want a Leyland/LaRussa lovefest, though I would anticipate a Taco/Tigers showdown.

Andy_K (Andy_K), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 12:47 (seventeen years ago) link

2006 Playoffs to date:
STL Cards: .779 OPS, 3.04 ERA
NY Mets: .771 OPS, 4.24 ERA

by comparison:
DET Tigers: .867 OPS, 2.92 ERA

The Tigers vs. A's was the World Series as far as I'm concerned. The NL playoffs is like watching the losers' bracket.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 13:25 (seventeen years ago) link

The Astros got swept last year.

wtf is wrong w/ me. i feel like the Cards have been in it the last 5 yars.

▒█▄█ ▄▄▄ ▒█▄█ , Wednesday, 18 October 2006 13:26 (seventeen years ago) link

The Tigers vs. A's was the World Series as far as I'm concerned. The NL playoffs is like watching the losers' bracket.

None of the playoff series have been particularly compelling. The NLCS is at least competitive, but it's hard to look past the mediocre play.

mattbot (mattbot), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 13:43 (seventeen years ago) link

They kinda have been ... it's their 6th playoff appearance in the past seven years, and of those years it was only in 2001 that they didn't reach at least the NLCS.

xpost

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 13:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Yanks-Tigers was compelling because of how the Tigers completely turned the series around after the fourth inning of Game 2. They were getting killed in the series and ended up dominating the Yankees from that point forward, handing them their most humiliating defeat of the Jeter Era. Kenny fucking Rogers and his 8.85 playoff ERA emerged as a playoff hero against a team that has pwned him for more than a decade, even I had to root for the thug.

The Cards began a similar turnaround about midway through Game 2 of the NLCS, with El Taco Grande and the frigging Soup Man providing the heroics along with noted power threat So Taguchi. If they can pull off the upset, the WS will be contested by two teams that pretty much collapsed at the end of the regular season and miraculously got their shit together for the playoffs. I can't think of another recent WS matchup that featured two teams that went from so bad to so good quite so dramatically.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 13:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Although admittedly, labelling the Cards as "so good" is a bit of a stretch. They might fluke their way into a WS title with ridiculously inconsistent play a la the 1997 Marlins, though.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 13:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Or the way the 1997 Indians almost won the WS in the same year!

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 13:58 (seventeen years ago) link

(xpost)

Hah, yes, I stand corrected re: Yanks/Tigers.

Tigers/Yankees was the WS!

mattbot (mattbot), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 14:06 (seventeen years ago) link

some BB ... where ppl don't even know what the World Series is. Shasta sounds like John McGraw (and dresses like him, I hear).

Did Miller ask Morgan on ESPN Radio if those two solo HRs count as MANNAFACTURED?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 14:13 (seventeen years ago) link

The strike zone sucked last night btw.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 14:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Where the fuck is Earl Weaver these days, seriously? Why didn't he ever become a TV analyst? Considering his style of managing (playing for the big inning, heavy reliance on stats and batter-pitcher matchups in particular) I'd think he'd have a lot to say about the game today and the old timers wouldn't fuck with him because he was CLUTCHTASTIC and could win pennants.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 14:57 (seventeen years ago) link

i thought earl weaver was dead?

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:00 (seventeen years ago) link

rumours of his death have been ... well, you know:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Weaver

apparently he was a TV analyst inbetween his two stints managing the O's.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:02 (seventeen years ago) link

he's 76 years old, probably too old to be on tv. ;_;

"weaver on strategy" is a great book, one of my dad's favorites.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:08 (seventeen years ago) link

I remember Weaver doing games when ABC had em...

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:10 (seventeen years ago) link

The 'infamous' radio appearance on that Wiki article was an off-air gag.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:12 (seventeen years ago) link

he's 76 years old, probably too old to be on tv. ;_;

John Madden is around that age and ... oh, wait.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Morbs, you're so cute when you're flummoxed.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:47 (seventeen years ago) link

and the rest of the time!

(I'm not flummoxed, I want to gut Jeff Kellogg)

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:55 (seventeen years ago) link

"The strike zone sucked last night btw."

It was brutal for both teams though. Glavine got some calls that were just baffling.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:58 (seventeen years ago) link

I have no idea how accurate that Fox STRIKE ZONE thing is, but if it is even half right, I'm guessing some umps are getta yelled at in the off season.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 16:00 (seventeen years ago) link

doesn't mlb use some sort of propietary strike zone measurement thing now to evaluate umps?

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 16:04 (seventeen years ago) link

the infamous QuesTec? haven't heard much about it this year.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 16:06 (seventeen years ago) link

i know the centerfield camera's at an angle, etc, but the FOX TRAX strikezone doesn't seem very accurate

mookieproof (mookieproof), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 16:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Sheehan on the Valentin K in 8th:

What I found highly amusing was the sequence that followed on Fox. The FoxTrax graphic, which has consistently shown the umpiring to be a disaster, popped up briefly. Before it could be activated, the game went into a commercial break. They didn’t return to it until a batter had been retired, at which time they highlighted the replay with some sponsor’s logo, and “showed” that the pitch was just on the outside corner.

Now, take this with a very large grain of salt, but I’m just distrustful enough of the powers involved here—-Fox and MLB-—to speculate as to the timing of the graphic and the information it provided. To have that tool, which had consistently shown the home-plate umpires missing pitches time and time again, show up to confirm perhaps the biggest called strike of the series, and to do so after ten minutes, after it had nearly been used in the immediate aftermath of the pitch... it just seems terribly CONVENIENT. The pitch didn’t look like a strike, Valentin didn’t think it was a strike, no one I talked to thinks it was a strike.

Regardless of whether that pitch was called correctly or not, the inability of these umpires to call a consistent, correct strike zone has been one of the biggest stories of the postseason. It’s not just big strikeout calls that change games. Take Yadier Molina’s at-bat in the fourth inning. Home-plate umpire Jeff Kellogg called a 3-1 pitch well off the plate a strike; Glavine threw essentially the same pitch on 3-2, and Molina had to swing, because even though it was not a strike, he couldn’t be certain the guy making the call was going to see it that way.

Keith Law, over at ESPN.com, has dubbed it the “Heisenberg Strike Zone,” which is a label I can’t top. Until and unless we concede that humans can’t do the job with the precision needed, however, we’re going to continue to see baseball games worth millions of dollars decided by funcationaries making a few thousand.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 16:34 (seventeen years ago) link

I sort of hope the Mets pull it off just so they can be destroyed more thoroughly by the tigers. it will be like that scene in Jackie Brown where that Arquette broad is all harassing DeNiro and he's like STOP IT STOP IT ::SHOOTS HER DEAD::

(9ò_ó)-o Q(^.^Q) (Adrian Langston), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 16:38 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't buy that Valentin analysis. You could tell as soon as the pitch went by Valentin, he didn't even hesitate or protest... his knees buckled and he walked back to the dugout.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 16:44 (seventeen years ago) link

I thought the Valentin pitch looked like it was close enough that Valentin was crazy for not swinging at it. Whether it was actually a strike, I have no idea, but I don't buy the Fox conspiracy at all. Some of the pitches they did show looked AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL on that Strike Track thing. If they were really serious about not making MLB or the umpiring look bad well I think they might have used it more judiciously at previous times. It was just a weird commercial break thing which makes Fox look greedy and incompetent, not trying to cover anything.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 17:29 (seventeen years ago) link


You must be logged in to post. Please either login here, or if you are not registered, you may register here.