Is J. Alfred Prufrock insecure?

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I was bummed when the Allman thing was debunked.

k/l (Ken L), Thursday, 11 August 2005 16:34 (eighteen years ago) link

I think it's rather curious that my posts here have not been archived by Google. In fact, so far as I can see, all of the posts up to mine are archived, but mine isn't, nor are those afterward which address mine (though I didn't systematically check all of the latter). A Web search for "ilx "i love books" diachronic pooftah" (interior quotes included in the search string) turns up a hit for this Q&A thread, but neither my email address (contained in full in the text) nor words particular to my reply, result in a hit when added to the search string.

Mark Adkins
msadkins04@yahoo.com

Mark Adkins, Thursday, 11 August 2005 18:58 (eighteen years ago) link

I guess Google doesn't update the entire web every five minutes, as you seem to think, but rather checks modestly popular sites such as ILX only every few days or weeks.

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 11 August 2005 19:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Chris, maybe you can use your newfound moderator powers to change that.

k/l (Ken L), Thursday, 11 August 2005 19:20 (eighteen years ago) link

chris write to google and tell them. write in longhand and use a fountain pen.

jed_ (jed), Thursday, 11 August 2005 19:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Mark = Marissa Marchant???

Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 11 August 2005 20:08 (eighteen years ago) link

The ILB equivalent.

k/l (Ken L), Thursday, 11 August 2005 20:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Abstract of my article "Eliot contra Prog Rock: 'The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock' and the Politics of Punk Rock"

In a recent interview, noted contemporary poet David Berman claims that TS Eliot's seminal modernist poem "The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock" is the "Stairway to Heaven" of twentieth century. In fact, the ontological intention behind the poem could be nothing further from this assessment. While Berman's rockist assertion aligns Prufrock with the more or less progressive rock band Led Zeppelin, Eliot instead meant his poem to stand as orphic warning about the evils of progressive rock. Eliot offers Prufrock as a prophetic allegory of the aging prog rock movement whose increasingly banal self-regard betrays the moral bankruptcy of their chief appeal: arrogant virtuosity. In this article I demostrate that Eliot's elliptical lines forecast the minimalism of punk even as Prufrock himself is autopsized as a somnambulent dinosaur prog rock corpse.

Nobodaddy, Thursday, 11 August 2005 23:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Abstract of my article "Eliot contra Prog Rock: 'The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock' and the Politics of Punk Rock"

In a recent interview, noted contemporary poet David Berman claims that TS Eliot's seminal modernist poem "The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock" is the "Stairway to Heaven" of twentieth century American poetry. In fact, the ontological intention behind the poem could be nothing further from this assessment. While Berman's rockist assertion aligns Prufrock with the more or less progressive rock band Led Zeppelin, Eliot instead meant his poem to stand as orphic warning about the evils of progressive rock. Eliot offers Prufrock as a prophetic allegory of the aging prog rock movement whose increasingly banal self-regard betrays the moral bankruptcy of their chief appeal: arrogant virtuosity. In this article I demostrate that Eliot's elliptical lines forecast the minimalism of punk even as Prufrock himself is autopsized as a somnambulent dinosaur prog rock corpse.

Nobodaddy, Thursday, 11 August 2005 23:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Sorry about the double post! There should be an editing function here. "Eliot proffers Prufrock" even.

Nobodaddy, Thursday, 11 August 2005 23:59 (eighteen years ago) link

There's a lady who's sure all that glitters is gold, but sometimes it's just yellow smoke.

as it clung to her thigh I started to cry (pr00de), Friday, 12 August 2005 00:27 (eighteen years ago) link

In the room the women come and go
Talking of Michelangelo (Matos)

as it clung to her thigh I started to cry (pr00de), Friday, 12 August 2005 00:29 (eighteen years ago) link

If there's a mermaid in the water, don't be alarmed now.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 12 August 2005 02:33 (eighteen years ago) link

"Prufrock! Prufrock!"

Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 12 August 2005 03:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Obviously the narrator does not consider the hair attractive...note the fact that the sentence is parenthetical, starts with "But" and ends with an exclamation point.

I think, like others above, that this is only one (probably 'wrong') interpretation. To me the exclamation mark is revelation, not dismay. And yes, nabisco, I totally associate the peach with the fuzz of arm hair too. It's not so much a defect as something that is always there but not always revealed, it's the exciting and tactile reality/corporality as opposed to the mere surface.

Archel (Archel), Friday, 12 August 2005 08:19 (eighteen years ago) link

The Folk Song Of J Alfred Pinefox

k/l (Ken L), Friday, 12 August 2005 09:44 (eighteen years ago) link

And as we wind on, you and I,
the sun is taller than the sky,
there is a lady we both know,
and in the room she comes and goes,
and when I catch her in the hall,
"That is not what I meant at all!"
I should have been a pair of CLAW-AWS (yeah!)
Grow old and wear my trousers ROLLED!

Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 12 August 2005 11:19 (eighteen years ago) link

That's HI-larious! Almost as good as "Stairway to Gilligan." Better maybe.

k/l (Ken L), Friday, 12 August 2005 12:19 (eighteen years ago) link

I should have had a grassband girlfriend
Playing banjo in the key of C

k/l (Ken L), Friday, 12 August 2005 18:08 (eighteen years ago) link

bango

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 12 August 2005 21:57 (eighteen years ago) link

This is a great thread, btw. I should read ILB more. Actually I should read B more first. But it's inspired me to dig out my Eliot volume, at least.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 12 August 2005 21:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Nice, k!

Hurting (Hurting), Saturday, 13 August 2005 03:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Chris, If it is obvious to me, then it is obvious to everyone here that your educational credentials are woefully inadequate for the moderation of this board. I suggest you resign immediately and turn over the keys to one of the recently arrived eggheads.

Hurting, do you have your "show LoChris, If it is obvious to me, then it is obvious to everyone that your educational credentials are woefully inadequate for the moderation of this board. I suggest you resign immediately and turn over the keys to one of the recently arrived eggheads.

Hurting, do you have your "show Username" option checked?

k/l (Ken L), Saturday, 13 August 2005 03:48 (eighteen years ago) link

When cut and paste goes wrong.

Anyway, just joshing, Chris.
Just kidding, Josh.

k/l (Ken L), Saturday, 13 August 2005 03:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Nabisco hits the mark again.

the bellefox, Monday, 15 August 2005 12:30 (eighteen years ago) link

oh please

John (jdahlem), Monday, 15 August 2005 12:45 (eighteen years ago) link

ok he did nm

John (jdahlem), Monday, 15 August 2005 12:46 (eighteen years ago) link

"The Love Song Remains The Same"

David A. (Davant), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 05:27 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
"Casuistry" (now *there's* truth in product labelling) wrote:

"The poem seems pretty obsessed with 'mundane existance', and this
seems to be where many of the narrator's anxieties lie: There are ...oyster shells...standing water, soot-filled chimneys, make up, toast and tea, stairs to walk down...coats, neckties, and tie pins..."

What an amusing misrepresentation. It's as if a robot, asked to comment on the meaning of a play, reeled off a list of the props.

Casuistry: "[These things are] much more present in the poem than a few tossed off allusions to Dante."

Those things are the outer trappings, the background, like props in a play. The quote from Dante occupies a prominent place at the start of the poem precisely because it foreshadows the poem's content.

The rest of your comments are equally inane and I shall ignore them.

Mark Adkins, Friday, 14 October 2005 14:58 (eighteen years ago) link

It's as if a robot, asked to comment on the meaning of a play, reeled off a list of the props.
Gold star for robotboy!

k/l (Ken L), Friday, 14 October 2005 16:07 (eighteen years ago) link

...

tom west (thomp), Friday, 14 October 2005 17:27 (eighteen years ago) link

You're right: The fact that Eliot fills his text up with mundane, human, realistic details is a clear indication that we are to dismiss those details as mere props and assume that Prufrock is some sort of metaphysical starbaby, living in some abstracted plane and wrestling with inner daemons daring him to actually manipulate the matter of the universe, to be involved with the real world once again.

Hm, I'm beginning to understand why this interpretation appeals to you!

Anyway, mostly I'm pleased that you took the time to elide my quote in a seemingly random but time-consuming fashion.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 14 October 2005 17:52 (eighteen years ago) link

dude you've got the most hard-working troll in the world dude

tom west (thomp), Friday, 14 October 2005 23:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, man. That's dedication.

the pr00de abides (pr00de), Saturday, 15 October 2005 01:11 (eighteen years ago) link

'starbaby'!

http://www.videovista.net/articles/starman.jpg

Josh (Josh), Saturday, 15 October 2005 03:19 (eighteen years ago) link

It's as though a very primitive computer spent the last two months analyzing the comments and trying to come up with a response.

Hurting (Hurting), Saturday, 15 October 2005 03:21 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm afraid I can't accept that interpretation, Chris.

Kal-El 9000 (Ken L), Saturday, 15 October 2005 07:27 (eighteen years ago) link

four months pass...
(x-post) Nabisco, do you have access to Gold Bud peaches? Where do you live? I will BRING YOU ONE. In summer.

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 15:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Can I have one too? I live just a few blocks from Nabisco.

Paul Eater (eater), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 22:15 (eighteen years ago) link

I will bring two. I will carefully transport them in eiderdown-lined boxes, to whatever township. And you will dare to eat them!

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 23:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Get busy plucking those geese, Beth!

Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 23:25 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm on it.

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 23:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Great thread.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 24 February 2006 02:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Especially the Eliot/Zeppelin mash-ups.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 24 February 2006 02:47 (eighteen years ago) link

eider is duck,

anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 27 February 2006 11:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, details.

Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 27 February 2006 15:48 (eighteen years ago) link

There are a lot of dead eiders on the beach here, killed by the big windy blizzard the other week. Also a razorbill! And a porpoise! The porpoise corpse actually preceded the blizzard. It's going through lots of changes, very slowly. Becoming more and more Swiss cheesified. My dog is strangely uninterested. I thought he'd roll in it. Where are the turkey vultures? I would have thought they'd strip it to bare bones by now.
Several years we had a lot of dead sea turtles washing up. You don't think of the waters of New England as harboring turtles and porpoises, but apparently they do.

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Monday, 27 February 2006 19:37 (eighteen years ago) link

six months pass...
Well, perhaps they USED to, but now they're all dead.

James Morrison (JRSM), Thursday, 7 September 2006 06:02 (seventeen years ago) link

what a bizarre thread revival.

tom west (thomp), Thursday, 7 September 2006 10:00 (seventeen years ago) link

ten years pass...

I was lead here by the Random Homework Googler Memorial thread.

Beth's discussion of the dead things on the beach seems more interesting than the entire preceding discussion of Prufrock. She was one of the good ones.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Sunday, 20 November 2016 00:44 (seven years ago) link


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