2015 American Politics Thread: The 114th Congress Is in the House!

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Representative Kevin Yoder (R-Citigroup) takes major credit for removing derivative regulations from Dodd-Frank.

http://www.kansascity.com/opinion/readers-opinion/as-i-see-it/article5360631.html

This next little while will be interesting.

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 5 January 2015 14:57 (nine years ago) link

Symmetry required it.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 5 January 2015 15:01 (nine years ago) link

preparing to lol at what goes into a GOP "energy" bill

Οὖτις, Monday, 5 January 2015 16:53 (nine years ago) link

congress is being sworn in and everybody is kissing everybody in there

goole, Tuesday, 6 January 2015 20:28 (nine years ago) link

sounds gay

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 6 January 2015 20:29 (nine years ago) link

if you'll forgive a free beacon tweet

https://twitter.com/FreeBeacon/status/552553710828933121

goole, Tuesday, 6 January 2015 20:30 (nine years ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6sXZwTCMAAqM0M.jpg

goole, Tuesday, 6 January 2015 20:31 (nine years ago) link

oh man, glance at that and it looks like they're waking up together on an american flag bed

♪♫_\o/_♫♪ (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 6 January 2015 20:34 (nine years ago) link

lol

Frederik B, Tuesday, 6 January 2015 20:44 (nine years ago) link

only thing missing is a couple of half-full glasses of whiskey on the bedstand and "you went to a concert" stamps on the back of their hands

♪♫_\o/_♫♪ (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 6 January 2015 20:47 (nine years ago) link

oh...it's you...Nina? Nancy? Nadia? One of those...uuuuuugh my head

♪♫_\o/_♫♪ (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 6 January 2015 20:48 (nine years ago) link

After he won, Boehner entered to a standing ovation and gave a speech calling this Congress to work together and end its gridlock. He finished with a stirring, though epically mixed, metaphor.

“So let’s stand tall and prove the skeptics wrong,” Boehner said. “May the fruits of our labors be ladders our children can use to climb to the stars.”

♪♫_\o/_♫♪ (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 7 January 2015 14:18 (nine years ago) link

Quite a first week (so far!) for the DO SOMETHING Congress! They've relaunched the Benghazi probe (now with unlimited funding and open ended time frame!), replaced "math" at the CBO with "dynamic scoring", moved toward a vote on a dead-end bill for an oil pipeline, promised to repeal Obamacare, targeted Social Security for "reform", and now Mr. McConnell claims responsibility for the recovering economy. It's morning again in America!

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 7 January 2015 23:37 (nine years ago) link

ugh, wish Feinstein would retire first tbh. I hope Harris takes the seat, Newsom is a loathsome toad.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 8 January 2015 16:36 (nine years ago) link

Harris might want to be governor first. If villaraigosa runs I will gladly vote against him if there is a semi viable alternative.

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 8 January 2015 17:19 (nine years ago) link

I more or less want Newsom to be prevented from occupying any office higher than the one he currently does, fuck that guy forever. Thankfully I think his appeal is limited... Harris is great otoh, I would totally vote for her. Everyone I know in LA seems to hate Villaraigosa.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 8 January 2015 17:42 (nine years ago) link

uuuuuuugh, the dynamic scoring thing drives me nuts.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/11/paul-ryan-dynamic-scoring-tax

♪♫_\o/_♫♪ (Karl Malone), Friday, 9 January 2015 19:15 (nine years ago) link

yeah this is the most outrageous thing they're going to be able to do imo

Οὖτις, Friday, 9 January 2015 19:17 (nine years ago) link

i don't know, the manufactured social security crisis is an up and coming outrageous thing that they might be able to do as well

♪♫_\o/_♫♪ (Karl Malone), Friday, 9 January 2015 19:22 (nine years ago) link

We are bound to see many disgusting, dismaying, disingenuous, disastrous and downright diseased things coming out of Congress between now and January 2017. How could it be otherwise?

earthface, windface and fireface (Aimless), Friday, 9 January 2015 19:23 (nine years ago) link

w/ Dem cooperation xp

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Friday, 9 January 2015 19:23 (nine years ago) link

imo Dem cooperation will probably be rare, but this lack of cooperation will be based entirely on tactical maneuvering ahead of the 2016 election. If the Dems were to win back control of the Congress in 2016 they still wouldn't improve anything beyond the margin.

Making progress via congressional action is like those childproof caps, where you have to apply a lot of pressure or else the cap just spins around, nothing underneath it budges, and you still can't get at what you want.

earthface, windface and fireface (Aimless), Friday, 9 January 2015 19:38 (nine years ago) link

doesn't sound like the Dems are gonna cooperate much, and why should they, as Aimless points out it wouldn't be to their benefit in the 2016 elections

Οὖτις, Friday, 9 January 2015 19:41 (nine years ago) link

they can not cooperate and let their lame duck prez take the heat

Οὖτις, Friday, 9 January 2015 19:42 (nine years ago) link

Record-setting bridge-burning obstruction won the GOP the Senate though. I want to see Harry Reid break McConnell's filibuster record, if just for shits and giggles.

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 9 January 2015 20:03 (nine years ago) link

Come on, we're talking Dems, who lack that Republican killer instinct.

When Senate Minority Whip Dick Durbin (D-IL) took to his chamber's floor on Wednesday he warned that the now minority Senate Democrats "had no intention of just rolling over" but added that the "gratuitous obstruction and wanton filibustering" of Republicans in the last Congress wouldn't be something Democrats would mimic now, pointing toward a big question about the 114th Congress.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/senate-democrats-using-filibuster-114th-congress

curmudgeon, Friday, 9 January 2015 20:10 (nine years ago) link

I assume all the Dems do in the next year or so is make dumb amendments to any legislation to use as dumb advertising fodder against a presumptive GOP nominee from the senate.

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 9 January 2015 21:58 (nine years ago) link

Dems will be split re voting for Obama's Pacific corporate trade bill though.

curmudgeon, Friday, 9 January 2015 23:00 (nine years ago) link

is Congress still real

The Understated Twee Hotel On A Mountain (silby), Friday, 9 January 2015 23:37 (nine years ago) link

Hopefully JEB Augustus abolishes the archaic institution.

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 9 January 2015 23:43 (nine years ago) link

Hopefully Repubs will fall short of winning over Dems to get 67 votes, but see below

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/a-small-band-of-moderate-democrats-could-be-key-to-the-gop-senates-success/2015/01/11/5172dfdc-9748-11e4-8005-1924ede3e54a_story.html?hpid=z6

“There will be a group of about 15 Democrats who are willing to work with [Republicans] on any given issue,” Kaine predicted in an interview. He is eager to work with the GOP on authorizing military action against the Islamic State and to revamp presidential war powers.

Fifteen is an encouraging number to Republicans, who now have 54 seats. If every Republican agrees on a piece of legislation, they will need to find at least six Democrats to help a bill clear the chamber’s arcane procedural hurdles and pass. If a few Republicans peel away — which is likely given the inflexibly conservative views of some GOP senators — McConnell might need to rely on even more Democrats. Sixty-seven senators will be needed if Republicans want to override an Obama veto.

curmudgeon, Monday, 12 January 2015 15:30 (nine years ago) link

Keystone will be the first test

curmudgeon, Monday, 12 January 2015 15:31 (nine years ago) link

srsly have you ppl been watching them the last 23 years

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Monday, 12 January 2015 15:33 (nine years ago) link

Republican Sam Brownback (R-Kansassippi) is raising taxes on the middle class and the poor, to pay for his tax cuts to the rich.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/brownback-tax-revenue-increase-budget

Shocking.

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 12 January 2015 16:42 (nine years ago) link

it's ok though, because the tax cuts for the rich boosted the Kansas economy so much that now everyone has a lot more money.

♪♫_\o/_♫♪ (Karl Malone), Monday, 12 January 2015 16:48 (nine years ago) link

House Dem proposal to set the ground for a 2016 campaign argument. Democrat in the House proposing now, what they and the White House should have put forward several years ago (although White House has also been squeamish about such ideas):

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/democrats-in-a-stark-shift-in-messaging-to-make-big-tax-break-pitch-for-middle-class/2015/01/11/d4438468-9999-11e4-a7ee-526210d665b4_story.html?hpid=z5

The centerpiece of the proposal, set to be unveiled Monday by Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.), is a “paycheck bonus credit” that would shave $2,000 a year off the tax bills of couples earning less than $200,000. Other provisions would nearly triple the tax credit for child care and reward people who save at least $500 a year.

The windfall — about $1.2 trillion over a decade — would come directly from the pockets of Wall Street “high rollers” through a new fee on financial transactions, and from the top 1 percent of earners, who would lose billions of dollars in lucrative tax breaks.

...Brendan buck, a spokesman for House Ways and Means Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) dismissed the proposal.

“Just as the sun rises in the east, Washington Democrats propose another massive tax increase,” Buck said. “Here in the House our focus is going to be on cleaning up the tax code so that we can lower rates for all taxpayers and help create good-paying jobs, not scaring them off with punitive tax hikes.”

curmudgeon, Monday, 12 January 2015 16:59 (nine years ago) link

what they and the White House should have put forward several years ago

It is hard to avoid the conclusion that it has been put forward now only because there is not a snowball's chance of it passing and no chance of their being blamed for its failure.

Aimless, Monday, 12 January 2015 18:20 (nine years ago) link

yep

♪♫_\o/_♫♪ (Karl Malone), Monday, 12 January 2015 18:24 (nine years ago) link

boldly fighting to reduce spending in his home state, what a guy

Οὖτις, Monday, 12 January 2015 20:44 (nine years ago) link

Cruz serves a constituency in Texas, home of many NASA employees

Houston, we have a problem

curmudgeon, Monday, 12 January 2015 20:44 (nine years ago) link

LBJ fought hard to put those jobs in Texas, fool.

Aimless, Monday, 12 January 2015 21:19 (nine years ago) link

rick perry's legacy will make sure those high paying white collar jobs are replaced with fast food employees asap

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 12 January 2015 21:28 (nine years ago) link

Woo hoo, Romney may run again for prez

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 13 January 2015 14:30 (nine years ago) link

The Morning Squint this morning praising him for "being right" about Russia and terror.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 January 2015 14:31 (nine years ago) link

Wait, I thought Congress broke up?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 13 January 2015 14:35 (nine years ago) link

Not quite sure why HRC's last run is considered less embarrassing than Mittens', but I just wasn't made for these times I guess.

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 13 January 2015 15:28 (nine years ago) link

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2015_01/warren_wins_on_weiss053697.php

Obama's wall street banker pick for a top position at Treasury , asked that his name not be re-sent to Congress for a vote. Warren and others opposed him. However, Obama's gonna put him at Treasury anyway as a "counselor", a position that doesn''t require Congressional approval.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 13 January 2015 15:36 (nine years ago) link

I look forward to voting for her again

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 January 2015 17:03 (nine years ago) link

guys President Ted Cruz is gonna abolish the IRS! this is going to be so awesome

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 January 2015 19:59 (nine years ago) link

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/john-kerry-james-taylor-france

Now the French will love us, and terrorists and potential terrorists will repent. John Kerry brought James Taylor with him to Paris to sing "you've Got a Friend." OK, maybe it was touching

curmudgeon, Friday, 16 January 2015 15:57 (nine years ago) link

talk about terror.

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 January 2015 16:01 (nine years ago) link

i bet some Left Bank cineaste shouted "Let's have an automobile race, motherfucker!" at JT.

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 January 2015 16:03 (nine years ago) link

Total misread of the audience. Kerry should've brought Jerry Lewis.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 16 January 2015 16:03 (nine years ago) link

you don't suppose Kerry could have left JT in France and revoked his passport

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 16 January 2015 16:05 (nine years ago) link

the plans they made put an end to you

example (crüt), Friday, 16 January 2015 16:09 (nine years ago) link

The American people are fed up with a Congress that fails to cut taxes on the rich with sufficient zeal and commitment. Oh, and incidentally, the American people DEMANDS that Congress eliminate the social safety net at the same time, so the government's greatly reduced tax revenue is no longer wasted on helping all those working poor people. All it does is spoil them.

Aimless, Friday, 16 January 2015 18:51 (nine years ago) link

^ We know this because the highly-paid spokesperson for the Koch brothers feed-the-rich organization has boldly declared it.

Aimless, Friday, 16 January 2015 18:55 (nine years ago) link

State of the Union tonight to include tax ideas that should have been included when Dems had majorities. Ideas are also still less inclusive than House Dem proposal upthread, but better to have these items as subject of discussion that Republican trickle-down ones I guess. Also on the bright side, hopefully no talk for now re grand bargain and chained cpi and such

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 20 January 2015 19:25 (nine years ago) link

what, campaign on taxing the rich and lose donations?

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 19:28 (nine years ago) link

that might endanger the Dems' ironclad hold on our guvmint

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 19:32 (nine years ago) link

Did you see that Stepford wife farmer/soldier and new Iowa Senator Joni Ernst give the Republican response to the State of the Union? Wow, that was horrible.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 04:09 (nine years ago) link

better or worse than when it was Jindal

The Understated Twee Hotel On A Mountain (silby), Wednesday, 21 January 2015 04:13 (nine years ago) link

http://imgur.com/i8SpBem

the late great, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 05:16 (nine years ago) link

Ernst was nearly as bad as Jindal. Pretty scary...That fake, frightening smile as she talked about anything from wearing plastic bags over her falling apart shoes as a child to wanting to end Obamacare but of course not offering something better.

For some reason I watched on CBS, where George Bush's golf buddy Bob Schieffer said she seemed nice and direct

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 12:50 (nine years ago) link

search Ernst and Stepford in twitter

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 12:51 (nine years ago) link

Inside the Beltway goof Millbank worries in the W. Post that neither Obama nor Ernst were worried enough about TERRORISM and how it could come to the US again

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 13:11 (nine years ago) link

It's nice that after appearing in Sidney Lumet's The Verdict, the late Milo O'Shea was able to find a new career as the US Secretary of Energy.

http://s.mcstatic.com/thumb/6780506/19010036/4/flash_player/0/1/the_verdict_a_fair_trial.jpg?v=2

Οὖτις Δαυ & τηε Κνιγητσ (Phil D.), Wednesday, 21 January 2015 13:46 (nine years ago) link

Ted Cruz....

But on Tuesday, Republicans were offering few specifics and retreated to their familiar criticisms of Mr. Obama: that he is a tax-and-spend liberal whose policies they could never endorse.
“This president, to every problem his solution is, ‘More taxes, more government,’ “ Senator Ted Cruz, Republican of Texas, said. “The American people made clear the last thing we want is yet more taxes from Washington, more government spending, more debt, more regulations.”

Mr. Cruz likened Mr. Obama’s approach to the famous “Saturday Night Live” spoof of the Blue Oyster Cult song “(Don’t Fear) the Reaper.”

“To every problem,” Mr. Cruz said, “his solution was, ‘More cowbell! More cowbell!’ “

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/21/us/politics/republicans-have-one-word-for-presidents-proposals-and-veto-threats-no.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=b-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 15:24 (nine years ago) link

You could at the same about the gops mantra of tax cuts and corporate welfare for oil companies

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 21 January 2015 15:39 (nine years ago) link

yep

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 18:08 (nine years ago) link

and can someone tell me why the tea party aka the hard right of the gop gets its own sotu response? have there usually been multiple dem responses made by future presidential candidates or a lunatic fringe or what? someone link me to the dennis kucinich sotu responses.

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 21 January 2015 19:51 (nine years ago) link

I'm pretty sure whoever wants to respond can prepare a response

example (crüt), Wednesday, 21 January 2015 19:52 (nine years ago) link

Yes, but I don't recall lefty ones. Maybe Morbs remembers some. I see there was discussion of the SOTU speech in the Barack Obama flaws thread

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 19:59 (nine years ago) link

no surprise there

curmudgeon, Thursday, 22 January 2015 17:52 (nine years ago) link

will never understand why this shit (cf. Bachmann family farm subsidies) doesn't get more traction in the liberal lamestream media

casual male (will), Thursday, 22 January 2015 18:43 (nine years ago) link

the right gets them because there is no one right wing voice of lunacy and because phony notions of balance.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 22 January 2015 18:45 (nine years ago) link

obv liberal lamestream needs scare quotes

casual male (will), Thursday, 22 January 2015 18:48 (nine years ago) link

Hyde Amendment not enough, of course

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 22 January 2015 22:34 (nine years ago) link

At the center of the controversy over the pulled vote and the target of much of the ire from anti-abortion activists is Congresswoman Renee Ellmers, a 3rd term member from North Carolina, who objected to language in the bill that would have required women to report their rapes to police prior to seeking an abortion. Ellmers and Rep. Jackie Walorski withdrew their co-sponsorship of the bill last week.

The vote was to take place on the same day as the March for Life, when hundreds of thousands anti-abortion protesters march through D.C on the anniversary of the Roe vs. Wade court decision. The House instead passed a bill banning taxpayer funding for abortions.

goole, Thursday, 22 January 2015 22:35 (nine years ago) link

yeah I heard that on the NPR report. "It's on YOU, women, to show a police report before we let you go to the clinic!"

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 22 January 2015 22:37 (nine years ago) link

I like how the House GOP's backup tactic was to ban something that doesn't exist. good job guys.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 January 2015 22:38 (nine years ago) link

Looking forward to the Werewolf and Dracula Protection Bill.

Οὖτις Δαυ & τηε Κνιγητσ (Phil D.), Thursday, 22 January 2015 23:33 (nine years ago) link

I love how it's suddenly not "murder" if it's a rape. Sometimes I'm afraid of what an illogical fruitcake far right nutter country we can be. This stuff is embarrassing.

SCOTTISH PEOPLE ONLY (I M Losted), Friday, 23 January 2015 00:31 (nine years ago) link

the rape exemption is like a "two wrongs make a right" type of thing iirc

Οὖτις, Friday, 23 January 2015 00:31 (nine years ago) link

Honest about how some folks could die, but not honest about the merits of the conservative Burr-Coburn-Hatch plan alternative to Obamacare, that has been criticized by both sides

curmudgeon, Monday, 26 January 2015 15:50 (nine years ago) link

honestly I respect people who oppose abortion in all cases including rape and incest more than those who make exceptions only for that.

akm, Monday, 26 January 2015 16:02 (nine years ago) link

Likewise, thousands of people die in homicides in the United States every year. We could reduce this number substantially, but we have (at least implicitly) decided that the costs — financial and otherwise — of more intrusive monitoring, additional policing, stricter sentencing and other, harsher measures are not worth the benefit. (Though we should continue debating whether marginally higher costs are worth marginally fewer deaths.) A sentry on every street corner and a government-monitored camera in every private room and hallway in America would significantly lower the homicide rate. But I wouldn’t make that trade-off.

holy cow, this dude is talented! i haven't seen lies this twisted flacked so confidently in a little while

goole, Monday, 26 January 2015 16:55 (nine years ago) link

I bet he read Ayn Rand.

curmudgeon, Monday, 26 January 2015 16:57 (nine years ago) link

Yeah, balancing that against "We could reduce the speed limit to 10, like the Care Bears on the left would like!" is a deft stroke.

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 26 January 2015 17:01 (nine years ago) link

10 isn't enough, cut the speed limit to 0

The Understated Twee Hotel On A Mountain (silby), Monday, 26 January 2015 17:47 (nine years ago) link

The Parmenidean Monad already took care of that.

Aimless, Monday, 26 January 2015 19:16 (nine years ago) link

Now this is the kind of free speech the Supreme Court likes

RANCHO MIRAGE, Calif. — A network of conservative advocacy groups backed by Charles and David Koch aims to spend a staggering $889 million in advance of the next White House election, part of an expansive strategy to build on its 2014 victories that may involve jumping into the Republican primaries.

The massive financial goal was revealed to donors here Monday during an annual winter meeting hosted by Freedom Partners, the tax-exempt business lobby that serves as the hub of the Koch-backed political operation, according to an attendee. The amount is more than double the $407 million that 17 allied groups in the network raised during the 2012 campaign.

The figure comes close to the $1 billion that each of the two major parties’ presidential nominees are expected to spend in 2016, and it cements the network’s standing as one of the country’s most potent political forces. With its resources and capabilities — including a national field operation and cutting-edge technology — it is challenging the primacy of the official parties. In the 2012 elections, the Republican National Committee spent $404 million, while the Democratic National Committee shelled out $319 million.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/koch-backed-network-aims-to-spend-nearly-1-billion-on-2016-elections/2015/01/26/77a44654-a513-11e4-a06b-9df2002b86a0_story.html?hpid=z7

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 27 January 2015 14:17 (nine years ago) link

their father built joseph stalin's oil pipelines, and now they're the primary donors to the GOP. why does the left not hammer that point home every day? imagine if the family who was the #1 donor to the democratic party was that close to stalin

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 27 January 2015 14:29 (nine years ago) link

well, because the head of the Democratic Party is Stalin.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 27 January 2015 14:30 (nine years ago) link

maybe they'd be able to fight fire with fire if that were so

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 27 January 2015 15:04 (nine years ago) link

pitts is tops

"In America, it has come to seem normal that a major news organization functions as the propaganda arm of an extremist political ideology, that it spews a constant stream of racism, sexism, homophobia, Islamophobia, paranoia and manufactured outrage, and that it does so with brazen disregard for what is factual, what is right, what is fair, what is balanced — virtues that are supposed to be the sine qua non of anything calling itself a newsroom."

http://www.freep.com/story/opinion/contributors/2015/01/26/fox-news/22364439/

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 27 January 2015 22:16 (nine years ago) link

McCain keeps it real for his war criminal homie

Οὖτις, Thursday, 29 January 2015 20:46 (nine years ago) link

just for posterity, the 9 democratic senators who voted to approve the keystone XL pipeline:

Bennet (D-CO)
Carper (D-DE)
Casey (D-PA)
Donnelly (D-IN)
Heitkamp (D-ND)
Manchin (D-WV)
McCaskill (D-MO)
Tester (D-MT)
Warner (D-VA)

♪♫_\o/_♫♪ (Karl Malone), Thursday, 29 January 2015 22:19 (nine years ago) link

I don't see any surprises there

Οὖτις, Thursday, 29 January 2015 22:19 (nine years ago) link

yeah, they were all expected. first veto on a major issue in obama's tenure, coming up.

♪♫_\o/_♫♪ (Karl Malone), Thursday, 29 January 2015 22:23 (nine years ago) link

Mary Landrieu we miss ye

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 29 January 2015 22:23 (nine years ago) link

Manchin has guaranteed his place in the Evan Bayh Hall of Fame of Worthless Democratic Senators

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 29 January 2015 22:24 (nine years ago) link

Protester Grabs Mic At Muslim Event: 'Islam Will Not Dominate Texas' (VIDEO)

goole, Thursday, 29 January 2015 23:21 (nine years ago) link

Texan announces Islam unable to penetrate a bag of rocks.

Aimless, Thursday, 29 January 2015 23:26 (nine years ago) link

good. slice and dice these scum

http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/politicsnow/la-pn-defense-sequester-20150129-story.html#page=1

reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 31 January 2015 02:22 (nine years ago) link

The House member for my district is going to pass away one of these days or weeks, btw. He's at home under hospice care now. Brain tumor + stroke + another brain tumor is no way to go.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/01/mississippi-rep-alan-nunnelee-diagnosed-with-inoperable-brain-tumor/

WilliamC, Saturday, 31 January 2015 04:37 (nine years ago) link

x-post. Obama's proposals to increase defense spending and domestic spending above sequestration will get rejected by the republicans and the White House knows that. But his indication of approval for more defense spending (for a country that already spends more than the next ten countries together) will just be taken as a sign of approval by Republicans to try to cut domestic spending, while increasing defense spending. So how is this good?

curmudgeon, Saturday, 31 January 2015 16:21 (nine years ago) link

I guess the point is that it is good for Republican defense hawks and fiscal types to fight it out, but Obama encouraging the defense types does not seem that helpful to me.

According to the Washington Post:

. Although members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff have warned of problems sustaining readiness, the military budget after adjusting for inflation is still in line with what it was in 2007, when the United States had much larger troop commitments in Afghanistan and Iraq.

curmudgeon, Saturday, 31 January 2015 16:27 (nine years ago) link

nothing's getting done until 2017. i think he's trolling them, setting the terms for 2016. so now you want to increase defense spending and defense spending only, after having a fit about the deficit/debt? let's see you argue that it's good to do that but bad to increase domestic spending. rubio/walker/paul/christie/bush will flub that debate question every bit as much as they'll screw up gay marriage, abortion, and immigration

reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 31 January 2015 16:40 (nine years ago) link

xp that does suggest that they wouldn't push for that anyway, which they would.

Andrew Farrell, Saturday, 31 January 2015 16:52 (nine years ago) link

I hope nothing gets done. There are a few Republicans talking "entitlement" reform and tax reform, which makes me nervous because of Obama's previous endorsement of chained cpi and a grand bargain.

curmudgeon, Saturday, 31 January 2015 17:12 (nine years ago) link

so far my reaction to the last few weeks has been, "What new majority?"

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 31 January 2015 17:19 (nine years ago) link

Nothing significant is going to pass. Obama's recent actions have clearly proven that he's a) going to accomplish as much as he can by exec order and b) setting the stage for the Dems for 2016. No big compromises that would hand the GOP poltical capital are going to happen.

Οὖτις, Saturday, 31 January 2015 17:37 (nine years ago) link

When is the Supreme Court gonna hear that next Obamacare case? I see some political bloggers doing lots of 'what if' writing in regards to that.

curmudgeon, Saturday, 31 January 2015 18:16 (nine years ago) link

Ah, yes. The Obamacare case where, in order to buy the plaintiff's interpretation of the law's intent the justices must find that Congress knowingly sabotaged the entire rationale for the law, rather than that it committed a minor oversight in writing a bill that ran to many hundreds of pages.

Aimless, Saturday, 31 January 2015 18:34 (nine years ago) link

somehow it's not wasteful government spending for congress to keep hope alive about repealing nationalized romneycare, but foodstamps for starving children we cannot afford

reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 31 January 2015 19:08 (nine years ago) link

support the troops!

http://www.stripes.com/report-pay-and-benefits-panel-to-recommend-killing-20-year-retirement-1.326293

let's pay for the oil wars with the money of those we sent to fight it rather than the people that got rich from it!

reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 31 January 2015 20:13 (nine years ago) link

When is the Supreme Court gonna hear that next Obamacare case? I see some political bloggers doing lots of 'what if' writing in regards to that.

― curmudgeon

What else can they write about?

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 31 January 2015 20:19 (nine years ago) link

gettin congress working again!

http://www.vox.com/2015/1/15/7553521/republican-dhs-shutdown

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 February 2015 21:10 (nine years ago) link

This is funny from the NY Times article on the Senate vote on the House DHS bill:

Republicans blamed Democrats for using a procedural maneuver to block the bill from coming to the Senate floor. Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the majority leader, warned that the president had executed a partisan “power grab” on immigration.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 3 February 2015 22:33 (nine years ago) link

Let's see, McConnell is not in favor of partisanship. No, that can't be right. He must not be in favor of grabbing at power to accomplish one's ends or to prevent the opposition from accomplishing theirs. Um, no, it couldn't be that. Ah, now I got it! McConnell is spouting crap out his ass.

Aimless, Tuesday, 3 February 2015 23:04 (nine years ago) link

I'm not sure blobfish actually have enough muscles to spout anything

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 February 2015 23:13 (nine years ago) link

is there an """"explainer"""" of how the congressional GOP is actually managing to seem less capable of governing now that they have control of the Senate? Is it just that O.'s executive actions are emboldened b/c he's free from the burden of campaign optics and congress is doing the same amount of nothing as it was in recent sessions?

The Understated Twee Hotel On A Mountain (silby), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 00:09 (nine years ago) link

significant portion of GOP members have totally unachievable goals and no incentive to compromise, I'd say that's a large part of their problem

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 00:15 (nine years ago) link

new display name here I come

totally unachievable goals and no incentive to compromise (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 00:17 (nine years ago) link

Shit. I guess it just wouldn't do for those college kids to be getting any big ideas now, would it?

Aimless, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 20:58 (nine years ago) link

Only if "the workforce" needs them.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 21:00 (nine years ago) link

aka "die Arbeitskräfte"

Aimless, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 21:08 (nine years ago) link

most current GOP members of Congress are there to raise their speaking fees, score book deals, and live in talk radio land. They're not there to legislate, but no one can say so.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 21:22 (nine years ago) link

so it's just continuing resolutions from here till the end of time I guess, could be worse.

The Understated Twee Hotel On A Mountain (silby), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 21:32 (nine years ago) link

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2015_02/judis_recalibrates053978.php#

excerpt from analysis

But you can forgive John Judis for wanting to make it clear he thinks any Democratic advantage is gone, since he was the co-author, with Ruy Teixeira, of the 2002 book, the Emerging Democratic Majority, that first explained many of the demographic trends that became fully manifest in the 2008 presidential election—including, most surprisingly, the Democratic comeback in states like Virginia and North Carolina with the right balance of minority, professional, transplant and “knowledge worker” voters.

So as his first article at his new venue, National Journal (he was one of the New Republican veterans who resigned recently), Judis has written a piece with the careful if evocative headline, “The Emerging Republican Advantage.”

Its most interesting feature is the suggestion that Democratic weakness among white-working class voters is beginning to be matched or even exceeded in importance with a new weakness among voters—especially but not exclusively white voters—with a college but no postgraduate education, and with middle incomes between $50,000 and $100,000 a year. This is a big problem for Democrats, says Judis, not just because these “middle-class Americans” are a growing percentage of the population (unlike the non-college educated white working class), but because they are at best lukewarm to the populist messages Democrats are beginning to deploy to stem the Republican tide among the white working class.

Judis’ biggest fear is that in retrospect the Democratic renaissance he and Teixeira wrote about in 2002 may been seen as an aberration in a long Republican tenure driven by the American middle class’ mistrust of government and anger at “incompetence” and “redistribution.”

curmudgeon, Thursday, 5 February 2015 16:15 (nine years ago) link

I'm a little skeptical of that "redistribution" conclusion ... otherwise I don't consider "mistrust of government and anger at incompetence" to be partisan positions

Οὖτις, Thursday, 5 February 2015 20:35 (nine years ago) link

All I ever see or hear from Republicans is mistrust of the federal government. Not just from politicians but from folks on Facebook and others irl.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 5 February 2015 21:18 (nine years ago) link

that's only temporary

Οὖτις, Thursday, 5 February 2015 21:18 (nine years ago) link

remember how much they mistrusted the gov't during the Bush years? oh right

Οὖτις, Thursday, 5 February 2015 21:19 (nine years ago) link

It's been going on since Reagan. As long as Bush was using the federal government to deregulate and cut taxes (that is shrinking the federal government in certain areas) Republicans thought that was a step in the correct direction in reducing the footprint of the federal government they mistrust. The "mistrust" is never logical-- its why Senator Ernst can bash the federal government (on things she does not like) while her family received farm aid. The initial problems with the rollout of healthcare did not help though.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 5 February 2015 21:27 (nine years ago) link

it's been going on since way before Reagan!

Οὖτις, Thursday, 5 February 2015 21:30 (nine years ago) link

nah I'll give'em this: the GOP had many more sane members before 1980.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 February 2015 21:32 (nine years ago) link

it gets tricky to chart because of how the parties' have historically switched places (Democrats originally the party of the south + farmers/rural communities, GOP the party of Lincoln + northeast + industrialists) but the right wing (ie the south + rural communities) has always conveniently excoriated the federal gov't ("states' rights!", "the New Deal is socialism!", anti-desegregation)... when they weren't in charge of it. the left has excoriated the federal gov't when they weren't in charge as well, although typically for things like being too laissez-faire and in the pocket of corporate capitalists or for lashing out militarily/acting like a police state

xp

Οὖτις, Thursday, 5 February 2015 21:35 (nine years ago) link

well, farmers + rural communities have not always historically been 'right-wing.'

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 5 February 2015 21:37 (nine years ago) link

but "mistrust of the federal government" is really vague as a term. Does it mean mistrust of the EPA? Or mistrust of the President ordering drone strikes against American citizens? cuz those are very different things that bother very different people for different reasons, and the constituency that's bothered by both is pretty narrow and fringe.

xp

Οὖτις, Thursday, 5 February 2015 21:37 (nine years ago) link

"rural communities + farmers" = Populists.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 February 2015 21:38 (nine years ago) link

farmers + rural communities have not always historically been 'right-wing.'

yeah I was specifically referring to the Dems origins as the party of Jefferson there (agrarian and pro-slavery, and typically skeptical of federal power), which ... I dunno it's kinda meaningless to ascribe contemporary political affiliations to people living in that era, but those attitudes and demographics have evolved/been passed down to the modern day along lines that we have come to call right-wing in contemporary parlance.

xp

Οὖτις, Thursday, 5 February 2015 21:41 (nine years ago) link

@ZaidJilani
6 House Democrats say they wont attend #Netanyahu's speech; 4 say they will attend. Most undecided #SkipTheSpeech

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 February 2015 22:24 (nine years ago) link

quick question: remember the 2010 GSA scandal where they were caught having a big expensive extravagant 4-day conference/party in Las Vegas? and does the general public really remember that?

i just ask because there's a WashPo article on the ramifications of that scandal today. the consequences of GSA's party are well-known to federal workers - congress made it excruciatingly annoying, tedious, and difficult to do anything related to travel, training and conferences - but I didn't think that the general public, beyond a few tea partiers, cared or remembered.

Karl Malone, Monday, 9 February 2015 14:34 (nine years ago) link

Haven't read the whole article to see if there's a chance for a slghtly less stringent standard. Also, is keeping most conferences out of Vegas really making things that difficult for conference planners?

curmudgeon, Monday, 9 February 2015 15:04 (nine years ago) link

Maybe Hillary can put a workgroup together to address it, like this one:

With advice from more than 200 policy experts, Hillary Rodham Clinton is trying to answer what has emerged as a central question of her early presidential campaign strategy: how to address the anger about income inequality without overly vilifying the wealthy.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/08/us/politics/economic-plan-is-a-quandary-for-hillary-clintons-campaign.html?_r=0

curmudgeon, Monday, 9 February 2015 15:06 (nine years ago) link

. Also, is keeping most conferences out of Vegas really making things that difficult for conference planners?

heh, they're definitely keeping them out of vegas, but it's more than that. it's all the little things that are agonizing.

for example, let's say you're planning a mandatory training session, in-house. it's not a conference - it's just a 2-hour session that could have been set up with a simple meeting invite once upon a time. but there's an employee from another city that's going to be coming. and some consultant is going to come in to lead the training. it's not a conference.

managers get involved. "...is this a conference?" - no it's not a conference "is there travel involved?" well yes an employee is traveling from a different city but he does that all of the - "We need to let the deputy know. this is going to need approval if it's a conference" - it's not a conf- "it doesn't matter if it's a conference, if it appears that it could be a conference we're going to have to jump through the hoops" - you know we could just do a webinar since it's not really important that- "we're going to need you to fill out Conference Request form 2321-rev2" - but it's not a conference - "and in the review chain make sure to note that it's not a conference, we just have to verify that it is in fact NOT a conference even though it has the appearance of-" it doesn't even have the appearance of a conference, it's - "Request form 2321 is being revised again, apparently, we better just make sure that upper management is aware of this situation, we can let them know when we brief them next Thursday" (time passes) "Oh, I'm sorry, we forgot to mention this important conference issue..." - it's not a conference - "...during the briefing, we'll have to draft up a quick memo to let them know that we're requesting to have a conf- IT'S NOT A GODDAMN CONFERENCE! LET'S JUST MAKE IT A GODDAMN WEBINAR. SHIT! SHIIIIIIIIT! *runs down the hall and crashes through the window*

Karl Malone, Monday, 9 February 2015 15:26 (nine years ago) link

and for god's sake, PLEASE refrain from bringing in coffee or bagels to this training session because that definitely sounds conference-y and you know we don't need to deal with that right now

Karl Malone, Monday, 9 February 2015 15:27 (nine years ago) link

not only must you avoid conference, you must avoid even the appearance of a conference

j., Monday, 9 February 2015 16:16 (nine years ago) link

lol @ "inclusive capitalism"

xxxp

Οὖτις, Monday, 9 February 2015 16:27 (nine years ago) link

if only the fucking shell game was sophisticated enough to be Orwellian, instead of Idiocracian.

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Monday, 9 February 2015 16:32 (nine years ago) link

Mitch McConnell is upset about filibuster abuse.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/mitch-mcconnell-shutdown-conundrum-obama

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 9 February 2015 20:07 (nine years ago) link

"You'll have to ask the leader," Missouri Sen. Roy Blunt, the vice chair of the Senate Republican Conference, told TPM on Thursday.

burn tbh

stately, plump buck angel (silby), Monday, 9 February 2015 20:57 (nine years ago) link

http://www.prospect.org/article/needless-default

The administration’s foreclosure relief program was designed to help bankers, not homeowners. That disgrace will haunt Democrats.

By
David Dayen

I think Krugman and some others have been writing about this for awhile, and this provides further details

curmudgeon, Monday, 9 February 2015 22:43 (nine years ago) link

GOP circular firing squad in the house! http://news.yahoo.com/mcconnell-senate-stuck-over-bill-funding-homeland-dept-193718285.html

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 20:36 (nine years ago) link

. Also, is keeping most conferences out of Vegas really making things that difficult for conference planners?

heh, they're definitely keeping them out of vegas, but it's more than that. it's all the little things that are agonizing.

for example, let's say you're planning a mandatory training session, in-house. it's not a conference - it's just a 2-hour session that could have been set up with a simple meeting invite once upon a time. but there's an employee from another city that's going to be coming. and some consultant is going to come in to lead the training. it's not a conference.

managers get involved. "...is this a conference?" - no it's not a conference "is there travel involved?" well yes an employee is traveling from a different city but he does that all of the - "We need to let the deputy know. this is going to need approval if it's a conference" - it's not a conf- "it doesn't matter if it's a conference, if it appears that it could be a conference we're going to have to jump through the hoops" - you know we could just do a webinar since it's not really important that- "we're going to need you to fill out Conference Request form 2321-rev2" - but it's not a conference - "and in the review chain make sure to note that it's not a conference, we just have to verify that it is in fact NOT a conference even though it has the appearance of-" it doesn't even have the appearance of a conference, it's - "Request form 2321 is being revised again, apparently, we better just make sure that upper management is aware of this situation, we can let them know when we brief them next Thursday" (time passes) "Oh, I'm sorry, we forgot to mention this important conference issue..." - it's not a conference - "...during the briefing, we'll have to draft up a quick memo to let them know that we're requesting to have a conf- IT'S NOT A GODDAMN CONFERENCE! LET'S JUST MAKE IT A GODDAMN WEBINAR. SHIT! SHIIIIIIIIT! *runs down the hall and crashes through the window*

― Karl Malone, Monday, 9 February 2015 15:26 (Yesterday) Permalink

I work for the government and don't travel, but from what I hear from others who need to, Karl is OTM.

RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 22:41 (nine years ago) link

Possibly over a parking spot

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 11 February 2015 15:32 (nine years ago) link

An NRA koan: If those Muslims would have been armed, this never would have happened.

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 11 February 2015 16:06 (nine years ago) link

<3 TV's Frank:

Erick Erickson ‏@EWErickson 2h2 hours ago
Boy, had that guy in North Carolina been a tea party member or Christian instead of an atheist gay rights activist, twitter would be on fire

Frank Conniff @FrankConniff
.@EWErickson Twitter is on fire about this, douchebag.

Οὖτις Δαυ & τηε Κνιγητσ (Phil D.), Wednesday, 11 February 2015 16:09 (nine years ago) link

But the women’s father, Dr. Mohammad Abu-Salha, who has a psychiatry practice in Clayton, said regardless of the precise trigger Tuesday night, Hicks’ underlying animosity toward Barakat and Abu-Salha was based on their religion and culture. Abu-Salha said police told him Hicks shot the three inside their apartment.

“It was execution style, a bullet in every head,” Abu-Salha said Wednesday morning. “This was not a dispute over a parking space; this was a hate crime. This man had picked on my daughter and her husband a couple of times before, and he talked with them with his gun in his belt. And they were uncomfortable with him, but they did not know he would go this far.”

Abu-Salha said his daughter who lived next door to Hicks wore a Muslim head scarf and told her family a week ago that she had “a hateful neighbor.”

“Honest to God, she said, ‘He hates us for what we are and how we look,’” he said.

http://www.newsobserver.com/2015/02/11/4547742_chapel-hill-police-arrest-man.html

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 February 2015 18:03 (nine years ago) link

President Barack Obama asked Congress Wednesday to formally authorize military force against the Islamic State group, arguing the militants could pose a threat to the U.S. homeland if their violent power grab goes unchecked and urging lawmakers to “show the world we are united in our resolve to counter the threat.” The president elected on a promise to end America’s wars is sending Congress a proposed joint resolution to authorize military force against the swift rise of Islamic State extremists...

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 February 2015 18:11 (nine years ago) link

sad that the pretext for war is so flimsy that the president has to deign to ask congress to use its constitutionally mandated authority to approve this shit

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 11 February 2015 18:36 (nine years ago) link

re: chapel hill, this is really horrible, the victims and I have some close mutual friends and this is a fucked up thing to have happen in our community

The Complainte of Ray Tabano, Wednesday, 11 February 2015 19:07 (nine years ago) link

lolz w everyone's favorite oompa-loompa

"The House has done its job," Boehner declared during a Wednesday media briefing. "Why don't you go ask the Senate Democrats when they're going to get off their a-- and do something other than to vote no?"

Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 February 2015 00:24 (nine years ago) link

Stay classy, GOP

RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 12 February 2015 00:28 (nine years ago) link

boehner that takes brass to new levels

Aimless, Thursday, 12 February 2015 00:29 (nine years ago) link

seems like there's something hypocritical about boehner's whinypants, but i can't put my finger on it

Karl Malone, Thursday, 12 February 2015 02:18 (nine years ago) link

the mortgage tax break should be eliminated tbh, replace it with a 9000% excise tax on all single-family home construction

stately, plump buck angel (silby), Thursday, 12 February 2015 02:34 (nine years ago) link

lol wtf gop

Karl Malone, Thursday, 12 February 2015 21:58 (nine years ago) link

sadly 'I know you are but what am I' seems to be the baseline for political discourse these days

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 12 February 2015 21:59 (nine years ago) link

time to replace the prisoner's dilemma as the default example of a game theory scenario, and replace it with what's happening now w/r/t gop, dhs, immigration, shutdown etc.

the house and senate GOP are acting in their own interest and it makes absolutely zero sense in the end. even if they somehow managed to overturn the immigration EO through the DHS funding bill, obama would veto it. and they're not going to be able to get it to his desk, even.

Karl Malone, Thursday, 12 February 2015 22:01 (nine years ago) link

http://kirbyforgeorgia.com/481-2/

Ethical treatment of Embryos

We in Georgia are taking the lead on this issue. Human life at all stages is precious including as an embryo. We need to get out in front of the science and technology, before it becomes something no one wants. The mixing of Human Embryos with Jellyfish cells to create a glow in the dark human, we say not in Georgia. This bill is about protecting Human life while maintaining good, valid research that does not destroy life.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 12 February 2015 23:40 (nine years ago) link

well there goes that plan

Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 February 2015 23:56 (nine years ago) link

those kids'll grow up to be spineless

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 13 February 2015 00:11 (nine years ago) link

pobrecitos:

A month into their newfound control of both chambers of Congress, it wasn't supposed to be like this for Republicans. Instead of advancing a conservative agenda and showing voters they can govern, they are confronting the very real possibility of a shutdown of the Homeland Security Department later this month.

That's because they can't overcome Senate Democrats' stalling tactics in a dispute over immigration.

"I suppose elections have consequences except in the United States Senate," complained GOP Rep. Mick Mulvaney of South Carolina, summing up the frustration for many House Republicans. "Tell me how it would be different if Harry Reid were still running the place," he added, naming the Senate Democratic leader who was booted into the minority in November's midterm elections.

Although their party is now setting the floor schedule and calling hearings, Republicans are finding to their chagrin that important things haven't changed from when they were in the Senate minority.

Republicans are six votes short of the 60 needed to advance most legislation, and Senate rules grant numerous rights to the minority party. That means if Democrats remain united, they have the ability to block GOP bills just as they did while in the majority

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 13 February 2015 15:23 (nine years ago) link

govt doing nothing, the best-case scenario for the rest of my shabby lifetime

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Friday, 13 February 2015 15:28 (nine years ago) link

I hope not. I'd like to get SOMEthing done in the next 25 years.

Orson Wellies (in orbit), Friday, 13 February 2015 15:31 (nine years ago) link

Move your house inland, preferably a red state.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 13 February 2015 15:31 (nine years ago) link

Yeah brownback got a ton of shit done in kansas

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 13 February 2015 15:36 (nine years ago) link

Then there's Tom Cotton, Republican from Arkansas

Tom Cotton is Ted Cruz with a war record, Sarah Palin with a Harvard degree, Chris Christie with a Southern accent — a force to be reckoned with. He may sound like he’s speaking gibberish to you or to me when he asks why there were no prisoners in Guantánamo before the prison existed, but to the Republican base he’s speaking their language as clear as day and it will fit nicely on a bumper sticker: “Let ‘em rot.”

http://www.salon.com/2015/02/12/sarah_palin_with_a_harvard_degree_why_new_senator_tom_cotton_is_so_frightening/

curmudgeon, Friday, 13 February 2015 17:13 (nine years ago) link

nothing new out in the red states either, more of the same:

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2015/02/republicans-are-cutting-taxes-rich-and-raising-them-poor

curmudgeon, Friday, 13 February 2015 20:32 (nine years ago) link

I have to say this Oregon guv who just resigned puts me in mind of Dabney Coleman:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/13/john-kitzhaber-resigns_n_6679800.html

congrats on your new bisexual governor, Orrrgun!

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Friday, 13 February 2015 20:46 (nine years ago) link

Damn! I hadn't heard about the resignation. He's correct when he says he was more or less railroaded out of office.

I'm not buying the idea that he conspired with his live-in partner to enrich her via the power of his office. It was more or less a big mess, mainly driven by her adamant insistence that he trust her and not interfere with her freedom to pursue her own ambitions, coupled with her very, very bad judgment and insensitivity to the ethics of her position. afaict, he did nothing worse than letting her have her head.

Aimless, Friday, 13 February 2015 21:04 (nine years ago) link

dunno where wolfers got this diagram

https://twitter.com/JustinWolfers/status/568180577314201600

looks like jeb is getting the band back together

goole, Wednesday, 18 February 2015 22:53 (nine years ago) link

but he's not here to talk about the past, see

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 18 February 2015 23:13 (nine years ago) link

Colin Powell notably absent

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 18 February 2015 23:17 (nine years ago) link

off-hand I'd say because marching doesn't accomplish anything

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 18 February 2015 23:25 (nine years ago) link

see 1910-73

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 February 2015 23:26 (nine years ago) link

Christ, you are in true fucking vintage form today

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 February 2015 23:26 (nine years ago) link

"he said to the mirror"

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 February 2015 23:30 (nine years ago) link

street demonstrations lost their effectiveness as soon as centers of power figured out how to render them meaningless - ie, don't give news organizations footage of cops shooting protestors etc. Without that, media coverage declines, nothing "exciting" is going on, no one pays attention, rinse and repeat.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 18 February 2015 23:31 (nine years ago) link

don't get me wrong I think the whole history of protest movement tactics is really fascinating. marching in the street itself was originally an explicit threat of violence, meant to convey the appearance of an army ready for battle. (and often there *were* actual battles). Then that tactic lost its utility - it was too dangerous, and it ceded victory to the side that had the most weapons/muscle, which was invariably the authorities. So then non-violent marching developed as a viable tactic, one that was successful because it was predicated on forcing the authorities to overplay their hand - the protestors could elicity sympathy by exposing the violence inherent in the system, which could then be converted into public pressure in favor specific policies. But then another shift occurred - the authorities realized protests wouldn't be successful if nothing newsworthy (ie, violence) happened, so they conspired to either a) render all protests non-newsworthy by refusing to be goaded into violence or b) made sure that any acts of violence that were perpetrated were the fault of the protestors, essentially making the protest backfire. And then people realized that marching in the street no longer accomplished anything, so they stopped doing it. the end.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 18 February 2015 23:36 (nine years ago) link

an ever increasing number of poor people live in places where there really isn't any great place to march

this was a thing w/ occupy wall st local, a bunch of them were in parking lots or whatever

iatee, Thursday, 19 February 2015 14:40 (nine years ago) link

mind numbing debt maybe has demoralized lots of folks too. back in the day people may have been poor as dirt but at least they weren't in indentured hock for astronomical medical bills / tuition /car payments/ mortgages. but prosperity trickles down, you see . . .

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 19 February 2015 14:53 (nine years ago) link

i would say the post-ferguson demos show that the authorities are still paranoid about marches, and also, what helped galvanize the movement was independent media on webcams. people could definitely march, and it would prob help, if the goals were right. street-taking still works around the world. i loved the film Maidan, which showed how powerful it can be, but also the mind-numbing amount of work needed to get it to function. people need to be interested enough not just to show up, but also to organize, and get suplies.

Frederik B, Thursday, 19 February 2015 15:03 (nine years ago) link

people are paranoid about riots not marches nobody cares about marches

iatee, Thursday, 19 February 2015 15:09 (nine years ago) link

(in america)

iatee, Thursday, 19 February 2015 15:10 (nine years ago) link

there been hella marches here since afghanistan, but when ppl marched down the interstate, well, i saw THAT shit on the news

j., Thursday, 19 February 2015 15:13 (nine years ago) link

No need for marching:

Walmart, the United States’ largest employer, said Thursday that it would increase wages for a half-million employees as it reported its first rise in shopper traffic in more than two years.

The retail giant, which has been criticized for continuing to pay some employees the bare legal minimum, said that all of its United States workers would earn at least $9 an hour by April

curmudgeon, Thursday, 19 February 2015 15:28 (nine years ago) link

I don't think the reality of "Walmart, the United States’ largest employer" had ever registered with me until this moment.

Losing swag by the second (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 19 February 2015 15:31 (nine years ago) link

wonder how many staff they'll lay off to cover the increased wage bill

bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 19 February 2015 15:32 (nine years ago) link

finally replacing the greeters w/ robots who can greet at 2x the speed

iatee, Thursday, 19 February 2015 15:35 (nine years ago) link

op piece by Cornell guvmint prof in the NYT yesterday: people w/ economic insecurity don't go activist on economic issues because they do a brutal mental calculus and conclude nah can't afford money or time. "In short, political messages based on insecurity can backfire precisely because they remind people of their difficult circumstances. I call this self-undermining rhetoric — rhetoric that brings to mind considerations that undermine the very goals the rhetoric aims to achieve."

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/18/opinion/dont-talk-about-those-unpaid-bills.html

btw the Slate piece was talking about "in the streets" as movements, not just marches, for the scant few of you who did not read it.

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 19 February 2015 16:34 (nine years ago) link

not to glorify the civil rights movement / 50s/60s / hippies too much but i wonder if there's a study correlating the decline of student protests/marches with the post-reagan explosion in college tuition. campuses are calm calm places and it might have something to do with how expensive school is (not just that there's no draft)

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 19 February 2015 17:04 (nine years ago) link

it's true, uni education was coming to be regarded as a people's right in those days. Now community college is the only option for what, 45% of HS graduates?

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 19 February 2015 17:06 (nine years ago) link

I'd say slacktivism coupled with post-y2k cynicism is responsible. When Occupy Wall Street started up I met just as many people who thought it was a joke and used the old talking points about people with iphones being hypocrites. Everyone is out-smarting everyone else, and the Occupy thing was made out by the media to be a joke and something that people (especially 20-somethings who would otherwise be involved w it) should look down on.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 19 February 2015 18:00 (nine years ago) link

Not to understate police violence and the super confrontational nature of state power recently...

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 19 February 2015 18:00 (nine years ago) link

http://www.npr.org/2015/02/17/386976209/have-the-rich-really-gotten-richer

Also check out this story from leftist radicals NPR on how the rich don't get social safety nets and are actually hurting more than you think.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 19 February 2015 18:02 (nine years ago) link

and in the case of people in their 30s and 40s (and beyond) who find their wages stagnating or shrinking, people that old just don't do such things, right? xp

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 19 February 2015 18:03 (nine years ago) link

I marched in middle age. Against the then-immanent Iraq War. Knew it was futile in terms of stopping the war, but thought it worthwhile in terms of making anti-war sentiment visible.

Aimless, Thursday, 19 February 2015 22:10 (nine years ago) link

yeah, me too; i was being ol' sardonic Dr M

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 19 February 2015 22:13 (nine years ago) link

Obama vetoed Keystone

Despite their majority in the Senate, Republicans are four votes short of being able to override Obama's veto.

They have vowed to attach language approving the pipeline in a spending bill or other legislation later in the year that the president would find difficult to reject.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/24/us-usa-keystone-idUSKBN0LS2FH20150224

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 24 February 2015 22:09 (nine years ago) link

boehner's response:

"The president’s veto of the Keystone jobs bill is a national embarrassment," he said, adding: "The president is just too close to environmental extremists to stand up for America’s workers. He’s too invested in left-fringe politics to do what presidents are called on to do, and that’s put the national interest first."

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 24 February 2015 22:11 (nine years ago) link

probably a lot easier move for Obama when we have an oil glut

Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Tuesday, 24 February 2015 22:12 (nine years ago) link

put the national interest first.

Canada's?

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 24 February 2015 22:28 (nine years ago) link

O did not really "veto Keystone." He may leave the final decision to the next prez.

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 26 February 2015 22:06 (nine years ago) link

Now the environmentalists are "fringe" and "extremist". I swear these people at this point just want to choke us to death - environmentally and economically. Was a time - in the 70's - when even Republicans at least paid lip service to environmentalism. Promoting the corporate-introduced notion that environmentalism is "fringe" and "extreme" is even worse.

So is our environmental situation. Again, I swear these corporate assholes want the rest of us dead so they don't have to compete with us.

NO CLOO (I M Losted), Thursday, 26 February 2015 23:23 (nine years ago) link

that's always been the plan

Οὖτις, Thursday, 26 February 2015 23:27 (nine years ago) link

This stuff about Obama *is* racist, and I'm sick and tired of Republicans being bullies about it. First Giuliani calls him a "communist" and far left, now Boehner says he's extreme and fringe.

No one calls them on it, but it's part of a history of suspicion of black politics as extreme, sentimental and irrational. The RW has for years libeled black politicians as too "far left" and " anti-colonial" in their literature.

People should call them racist - straight up, and not back down. Fuck these earth-killers.

NO CLOO (I M Losted), Thursday, 26 February 2015 23:34 (nine years ago) link

hey now it's not fair to play the race card!

do not GSI race card btw

Οὖτις, Thursday, 26 February 2015 23:36 (nine years ago) link

they call HRC far left too, and Bubba

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 February 2015 01:57 (nine years ago) link

out country is like a junior high run by sadistic 7th graders. it's a good thing taxes are low though

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 27 February 2015 02:26 (nine years ago) link

they call HRC far left too, and Bubba

Exactly. Republicans would be saying exactly the same things about a white Democrat POTUS. No?

drash, Friday, 27 February 2015 05:49 (nine years ago) link

Not to the same extent. O gets extra hate because of race

curmudgeon, Friday, 27 February 2015 15:41 (nine years ago) link

Washington Monthly thinking about 2018 midterms via Washington Post Dem Plum Line blog interview with Connecticut gov--

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2015_02/yes_its_time_to_think_about_20054389.php

PLUM LINE: Isn’t the problem that Democrats still don’t know how to deal with the midterm dropoff among their voters? What will stop that from happening in 2018, when all these big governors’ races are at stake?

MALLOY: I don’t think Democrats in most cases have come up with a strategy for that drop-off. We did in Connecticut. That’s why I’m still standing. We had a 56 percent participation rate. We contacted voters over an 18-month period of time. Republicans have done an exceptionally good job of making their voters feel like they’re part of a team. We need to replicate that. We need to make our voters feel like they are part of a team, that this is a continuing process, that every year there’s an election of importance. We need to retrain our voters.

So is that the answer? Better voter contact over a longer period of time? I dunno. It would be helpful, though, if Democrats also spent some time figuring out how to up their game with voters who do show up in midterms, like old folks, among whom the Silent Generation is being rapidly replaced by us Baby Boomers, who are a bit more open to voting Democratic.

curmudgeon, Friday, 27 February 2015 16:48 (nine years ago) link

As per the discussion above though, the context of who is actually going to be POTUS will be an enormous factor in 2018?

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 27 February 2015 16:59 (nine years ago) link

cpac y'all

https://twitter.com/MSignorile/status/571429737266069505

goole, Friday, 27 February 2015 22:06 (nine years ago) link

no justice no peace!

Οὖτις, Friday, 27 February 2015 22:11 (nine years ago) link

walker/palin 2016!

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 27 February 2015 22:44 (nine years ago) link

WASHINGTON — In a huge embarrassment for Republican leaders, the House voted down their bill Friday to avert a Homeland Security shutdown hours before the midnight deadline.

The House GOP plan was to pass a three-week stopgap bill to delay the immigration fight against President Barack Obama's executive actions until March 19.

But even that failed to pass, losing conservatives who considered it too much of a surrender to a lawless president as well as Democrats who demanded a yearlong DHS funding bill without any restrictions on Obama's immigration policies.

The vote was 203-224. Fifty-two Republicans voted against it, while 12 Democrats voted for it.

"This was a conscience vote about trying to uphold the Constitution," Rep. Walter Jones (R-NC), one of the "no" votes, told TPM. "If you're supposed to cave in because you don't want 30,000 people to lose their paychecks — how do you make a stand if you don't take a stand? ... It's the only option we have."

looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/faaaaaaaail

Karl Malone, Friday, 27 February 2015 23:30 (nine years ago) link

good URL

Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Friday, 27 February 2015 23:38 (nine years ago) link

its the only option we have.. aside from, you know, governing

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 27 February 2015 23:38 (nine years ago) link

how do you make a stand if you don't take a stand

Οὖτις, Friday, 27 February 2015 23:39 (nine years ago) link

i seem to recall those lyrics from the title song to a sly stallone film, can't remember which...

I dunno. (amateurist), Friday, 27 February 2015 23:41 (nine years ago) link

long-forgotten Professor Griff line iirc

Οὖτις, Friday, 27 February 2015 23:42 (nine years ago) link

Work of art!

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 28 February 2015 03:50 (nine years ago) link

he's a goddamned patriot

Karl Malone, Saturday, 28 February 2015 03:52 (nine years ago) link

smooth crotch = perfect touch

Aimless, Saturday, 28 February 2015 03:54 (nine years ago) link

A 1 week extension. Will have to wait and see what brilliance the House will come up with by then

curmudgeon, Saturday, 28 February 2015 18:01 (nine years ago) link

Sad.

curmudgeon, Saturday, 28 February 2015 19:12 (nine years ago) link

Gonna be a fabulous week with Bibi in town.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 March 2015 16:40 (nine years ago) link

matthew yglesias sees a constitutional crisis coming:

http://www.vox.com/2015/3/2/8120063/american-democracy-doomed

rolls together poli sci stuff about presidential (rather than parliamentary) systems, polarization, the "executivization" of governance and constitutional hardball

goole, Monday, 2 March 2015 20:24 (nine years ago) link

The best we can hope for is that when the crisis does come, Americans will have the wisdom to do for ourselves what we did in the past for Germany and Japan and put a better system in place.

Hmmmmm, not sure of the crisis coming or that these other systems are better

curmudgeon, Monday, 2 March 2015 21:06 (nine years ago) link

I would love to have a parliamentary system

Οὖτις, Monday, 2 March 2015 21:39 (nine years ago) link

The best we can hope for is that when the crisis does come, Americans will have the wisdom to do for ourselves what we did in the past for Germany and Japan and put a better system in place rising coastal waters swallow every major city.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 March 2015 21:44 (nine years ago) link

nearer my God to theeeeeeeeee

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 March 2015 22:01 (nine years ago) link

so HRC and those emails: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/03/us/politics/hillary-clintons-use-of-private-email-at-state-department-raises-flags.html

I can't figure out WHY she used personal email for four years and no one brought it to her attention. In Florida Rick Scott has conducted a lot of public business on private emails precisely so he can get around one of the country's fiercest public disclosure/sunshine laws and I'm mad as hell about it. As usual with the Clintons they choose mystery.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 March 2015 13:56 (nine years ago) link

I can't figure out WHY she used personal email for four years and no one brought it to her attention. In Florida Rick Scott has conducted a lot of public business on private emails precisely so he can get around one of the country's fiercest public disclosure/sunshine laws and I'm mad as hell about it.

Your second sentence answers your first sentence.

drash, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 14:02 (nine years ago) link

iit's the "and no one brought it to her attention" that's left unanswered. you would hope that one of her handlers would realize it was a problem early on and tell her to quit it. but then again, other agency heads also used personal email over the last few years and endured minor scandals, and i'm sure others are still doing it today.

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 14:08 (nine years ago) link

i am not an HRC fan by any stretch but she could have killed and grilled puppies and i'd still vote D, compared to what i'm hearing out of scott walker/JEB/ben carson/rand paul/ALEC/etc. if/when the yglesias crisis comes i hope that how outnumbered and old fox/gun/KKK nation is affects for the better whatever new set up

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 3 March 2015 14:47 (nine years ago) link

if she killed and grilled puppies it would be a misdemeanor in that world

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 March 2015 15:00 (nine years ago) link

the house finally gave up on the DHS funding/immigration thing.

coincidentally, this was announced just before netanyahu's address, which will probably dominate the news

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 15:52 (nine years ago) link

aren't they smart

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 March 2015 15:54 (nine years ago) link

tbh even if it was a slow news day, otherwise, i don't have a good feel for how much people care about the GOP/DHS/immigration shutdown thing. the other day I was trying to explain it to someone who hadn't heard anything about it, and unless you're the author of a book on communicating succinctly, it's nearly impossible to explain in a concise manner. and even after the explanation, the person didn't really care at all. it's hard to get a good read of whether anyone cares about this shit at all. the results of the most recent mid-terms suggest that not many people do.

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 15:58 (nine years ago) link

a handy list:


* April 2011: House Republicans threaten a government shutdown unless Democrats accept GOP demands on spending cuts.

* July 2011: Republicans create the first-ever debt-ceiling crisis, threatening to default on the nation’s debts unless Democrats accept GOP demands on spending cuts.

* September 2011: Republicans threaten another shutdown.

* April 2012: Republicans threaten another shutdown.

* December 2012: Republicans spend months refusing to negotiate in the lead up to the so-called “fiscal cliff.”

* January 2013: Republicans raise the specter of another debt-ceiling crisis.

* September 2013: Republicans threaten another shutdown.

* October 2013: Republicans actually shut down the government.

* February 2014: Republicans raise the specter of another debt-ceiling crisis.

* December 2014: Republicans threaten another shutdown.

* February 2015: Republicans threaten a Department of Homeland Security shutdown.

Karl Malone, Thursday, 5 March 2015 04:07 (nine years ago) link

http://www.salon.com/2015/03/05/the_right_has_fked_up_minds_meet_the_researcher_who_terrifies_gop_congress/

does anyone read much in this vein of "political psychology"? this was a very interesting interview, but my inclination is to think that the types of analyses the interviewee advocates underplay the role of clannishness or group affinity in determining political affiliation.

he quipped with heat (amateurist), Friday, 6 March 2015 18:41 (nine years ago) link

maybe this has been discussed on (an)other thread(s)

he quipped with heat (amateurist), Friday, 6 March 2015 18:44 (nine years ago) link

it's hard not to conclude -- even being generous -- that "conservatives" are a bit touched

case in point

http://news.yahoo.com/conservative-case-against-enforcing-immigration-law-120000524.html

"Removing all 11.2 million undocumented immigrants, both forcibly and through Mitt Romney's infamous "self-deportation" policy, would take about 20 years and cost the government between $400 billion and $600 billion. The impact on the economy would be even larger, according to the study: Real GDP would drop by nearly $1.6 trillion and the policy would shave 5.7 percent off economic growth."

and still they won't shut the fuck about it

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 6 March 2015 18:46 (nine years ago) link

that's not really what the interview is about, though -- it's a misleading headline, because the interviewee pointedly disclaims that he's talking about social pathology.

he quipped with heat (amateurist), Friday, 6 March 2015 18:50 (nine years ago) link

although i think it might be relevant insofar as maybe "conservatism" isn't about the sort of quasi-libertarian principles its exponents claim it is about.

he quipped with heat (amateurist), Friday, 6 March 2015 18:50 (nine years ago) link

nothing much on ile about John Jost, from that Salon article.

curmudgeon, Friday, 6 March 2015 18:56 (nine years ago) link

the Tom Schweich suicide story is fucked up on so many levels.

Karl Malone, Friday, 6 March 2015 19:17 (nine years ago) link

http://www.mediaite.com/online/joe-biden-on-ben-carsons-gay-choice-comments-i-mean-jesus-god/

might as well enjoy this

goole, Friday, 6 March 2015 19:21 (nine years ago) link

"Removing all 11.2 million undocumented immigrants, both forcibly and through Mitt Romney's infamous "self-deportation" policy, would take about 20 years and cost the government between $400 billion and $600 billion. The impact on the economy would be even larger, according to the study: Real GDP would drop by nearly $1.6 trillion and the policy would shave 5.7 percent off economic growth."

and still they won't shut the fuck about it

they'd probably spout some bullshit about the massive savings generated by these mooching freeloaders being deported or all that 1.6 trillion being redistributed to all the hard working white people who will take the jobs in the fast food restaurants, janitorial services, picking produce in fields and meat processing plants that are vacated........

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 6 March 2015 19:40 (nine years ago) link

heeeyyy sup

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/02/mark-dayton-minnesota-governor-profile-scott-walker

turns out a depressed loser who doesn't want anything can't be cowed and can't be hurt (that's always been my read on the guy) (helps to be rich as shit to begin with too)

goole, Friday, 6 March 2015 21:10 (nine years ago) link

i always thought herb kohl was a litle like that, only he was also kind of ineffectual

he quipped with heat (amateurist), Friday, 6 March 2015 21:15 (nine years ago) link

did dayton ever have anything to do with running the target corp? unfortunately like a lot of big-box chains they are known for union-busting, which would seem to cut against dayton's political agenda.

he quipped with heat (amateurist), Friday, 6 March 2015 21:19 (nine years ago) link

no i don't think so. he's an heir to the original family. the dayton's name isn't on anything anymore (except a parking ramp downtown, in my heart)

goole, Friday, 6 March 2015 21:20 (nine years ago) link

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/bob-menendez-theory-iran-feds

this is p funny (BUT THEN WHAT IF)

goole, Friday, 6 March 2015 21:23 (nine years ago) link

great moments in liberal website photo editing:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/texas-gop-sign-former-fetus

goole, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 17:06 (nine years ago) link

tbf he looks like a fetus

he also looks like a grown up donkey lips from salute your shorts.

http://www.fanpop.com/images/polls/2127_3_full.jpg

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 11 March 2015 17:16 (nine years ago) link

If you had to pinpoint the moment this worldview began to crystallize, it would probably be around the first debt-ceiling showdown, in 2011, when Obama tried repeatedly and desperately to cut a budget deal with House Speaker John Boehner only to realize, eventually, that Boehner did not have the power to negotiate. The administration has now decided that in many cases, even adversarial bargaining fails because the Republican leadership is not capable of planning tactically. “You have to be careful not to presume a lot of strategy for this group,” Pfeiffer said. “I’ve always believed that the fundamental, driving strategic ethos of the Republican House leadership has been, What do we do to get through the next caucus or conference without getting yelled at? We should never assume they have a long game. We used to spend a lot of time thinking that maybe Boehner is saying this to get himself some more room. And it’s like, no, that’s not actually the case. Usually he’s just saying it because he just said it or it’s the easiest thing to solve his immediate problem.”

This analysis puts the administration at odds with the reading of American politics that still dominates much of Washington reporting. Many political journalists imagine that the basic tension for the White House lies between Obama’s liberal base and appealing to Americans at the center, who will be crucial for tipping elections.

Pfeiffer believes the dynamic is, in fact, the opposite: “The incentive structure moves from going after the diminishing middle to motivating the base.” Ever since Republicans took control of the House four years ago, attempts to court Republicans have mostly failed while simultaneously dividing Democratic voters. Obama’s most politically successful maneuvers, by contrast, have all been unilateral and liberal. “Whenever we contemplate bold progressive action,” Pfeiffer said, “whether that’s the president’s endorsement of marriage equality, or coming out strong on power-plant rules to reduce current pollution, on immigration, on net neutrality, you get a lot of hemming and hawing in advance about what this is going to mean: Is this going to alienate people? Is this going to hurt the president’s approval ratings? What will this mean in red states?” And yet this hesitation has always proved overblown: “There’s never been a time when we’ve taken progressive action and regretted it.”

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/03/dan-pfeiffer-exit-interview.html

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 18:57 (nine years ago) link

better late than never, sigh

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 18:58 (nine years ago) link

Usually he’s just saying it because he just said it or it’s the easiest thing to solve his immediate problem.

he's not the brightest oompa loompa

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 19:02 (nine years ago) link

“There’s never been a time when we’ve taken progressive action and regretted it.”

smdh. is it any wonder that half the voting age population never votes.

Aimless, Wednesday, 11 March 2015 19:08 (nine years ago) link

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2015_03/lets_give_em_something_to_talk054580.php

Kilgore:

I dunno about you, but I’d rather have HRC debating, say, Bernie Sanders or Martin O’Malley than Ron Fournier or the many hounds at Politico. It would feed the hungry media beast in a way that would if nothing else chew up words otherwise available for narrative-driven obsessions of the media’s own choosing that have little or nothing to do with what she’d do as president.

versus
some comments on the posting:

media just wants to obsess on HRC the same way they did on Gore, so no matter what issue a Sanders might raise, they will just focus on HRC alone

curmudgeon, Thursday, 12 March 2015 17:28 (nine years ago) link

I heard the question being asked on npr this morning and it was the stupidest fucking thing I've heard this week

http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015/03/11/3632393/john-kerry-obliterates-marco-rubios-conspiracy-theory-iran/

RUBIO DO U KNO WE ARE FIGHTING ALONGSIDE IRAN IN TIKRIT RIGHT NOW YOU DUMB FUCK

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 12 March 2015 17:43 (nine years ago) link

Kilgore seems little concerned about the email thing, while others are a little bit more unhappy, meanwhile Jeb Bush chuckles as his private emails issue was largely uncovered.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/top-democrats-are-alarmed-about-clintons-readiness-for-a-campaign/2015/03/11/36c0763a-c818-11e4-aa1a-86135599fb0f_story.html

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/03/11/two-names-the-press-omits-from-email-coverage-c/202847

curmudgeon, Thursday, 12 March 2015 17:44 (nine years ago) link

How about that Secret Service (D'oh):

Two Secret Service agents suspected of driving under the influence and striking a White House security barricade disrupted an active bomb investigation and may have driven over the suspicious package itself, according to current and former government officials familiar with the incident.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/secret-service-agents-disrupted-bomb-investigation-at-white-house/2015/03/12/0eb74590-c8c4-11e4-aa1a-86135599fb0f_story.html?hpid=z1

curmudgeon, Thursday, 12 March 2015 19:31 (nine years ago) link

onion is on it

WASHINGTON—Expressing gratitude for helping her escape certain punishment, Malia Obama quietly thanked two Secret Service agents Thursday for taking the rap after she crashed a government vehicle into a White House barricade while returning from a late-night party. “Thanks so much, you guys; I promise I’ll be way more careful next time,”

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 12 March 2015 19:45 (nine years ago) link

Prince Andrew of New York had this guvmint email archiving figured out -- his admin PURGES all official email after 90 days! Til now, I guess. A true Clintonite down to his corpuscles.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/cuomo-calls-policy-criticism-email-purges-29616981

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Friday, 13 March 2015 19:16 (nine years ago) link

as a paralegal that has to deal with compliance for discovery requests and lawsuits this shit is a circus

if this was something like bank of america instead of the gov't you'd have like 50 different backups of everything

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 13 March 2015 19:40 (nine years ago) link

fun charts too

Spending channeled through the tax code tends to overwhelmingly benefit the wealthiest Americans.

According to an analysis of $340 billion in tax subsidies for housing, education, retirement and savings in 2013, the top 1 percent received about $95 billion, more than the $90 billion received by the bottom 80 percent combined, said the Corporation for Enterprise Development, a nonprofit organization that seeks to build assets for low- and moderate-income families.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/18/business/economy/taxes-take-away-but-also-give-back-mostly-to-the-very-rich.html

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 March 2015 18:37 (nine years ago) link

, the top 1 percent received about $95 billion, more than the $90 billion received by the bottom 80 percent combined

reminds me of this fun chart:

http://www.motherjones.com/files/income-inequality-2.0.gif

who is dankey kang (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 18 March 2015 19:05 (nine years ago) link

I should save up my pennies to buy a lobbyist for myself

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 18 March 2015 19:06 (nine years ago) link

seriously though, that's astounding. if everyone receiving a bonus on wall street took half of their crazy bonuses and gave it to a minimum wage employee, it would double the wages of the ~1 million people who work for minimum wage.

who is dankey kang (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 18 March 2015 19:10 (nine years ago) link

^^^ THIS! (Or you should just go to school and better yourself, and get out of that minimum wage job.)

Losing swag by the second (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 18 March 2015 19:11 (nine years ago) link

Exactly. And once this House budget proposal passes (with its changes to Medicare and Medicaid), those minimum wage workers will really learn how to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2015/03/18/give-house-republicans-credit-for-producing-a-budget-this-cruel/

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 18 March 2015 19:25 (nine years ago) link

Dick Cheney likes lattes. Seated in his favorite brown-leather chair in the sunlit study of his home in McLean, Virginia, the former vice president of the United States can toss back two of the warm java blasts in an hour. They come from a stainless-steel machine in the kitchen and a slender, mustachioed housekeeper named Gus, who serves them in custom-ordered white Starbucks cups outfitted with cardboard Starbucks sleeves.

that's the first paragraph of the playboy interview, apparently (choosing not to click because i'm at work)

who is dankey kang (Karl Malone), Thursday, 19 March 2015 20:35 (nine years ago) link

I'd prefer a Playboy interview with Gus. xPOST

RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 19 March 2015 20:39 (nine years ago) link

Two lattes in an hour!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 19 March 2015 21:43 (nine years ago) link

they keep his heart beating

Aimless, Thursday, 19 March 2015 21:47 (nine years ago) link

new from evil angel: dick's warm java blasts vol viii

bizarro gazzara, Friday, 20 March 2015 10:56 (nine years ago) link

Was reading on ilm that Azealia Banks was being interviewed in Playboy, didn't realize Cheney as well.

curmudgeon, Friday, 20 March 2015 15:17 (nine years ago) link

his wife did write softcore porn

http://www.amazon.com/Sisters-Lynne-Cheney/dp/0451112040

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 20 March 2015 15:34 (nine years ago) link

lol

What do women want? A new edition of
By A Customer on May 1, 2004
Format: Mass Market Paperback Verified Purchase
Just focus for a moment on the nickname of the husband of the authoress, and it becomes E-Z to understand why Lynne Cheney's throbbing pudenda compelled her to write this novel more than two decades ago. As directed by the Commander in Chief, the White House gynecologist has since infibulated the author. Yet potent testimony of the intensity of gratified female desire remains between the well-thumbed pages of the few yellowing copies of "Sisters" that have not been purchased and burned by Attorney General John Ashcroft and his staff members.

"Sisters" made its debut when Mrs. Cheney was an unknown scribbler, though her words undoubtedly inspired the life choices of her daughter Mary. It is shameful that partisan political pressure upon Lynne's publishing house, as well as her current status as Second Womyn of the United States, keeps this moist, glistening gem from being reissued. Readers across America would find "Sisters" a fine excuse for self-abuse if only this exquisite paean to Sapphic love, as well as to prophylactic-clad heterosexual bonking in the Wild West, became widely available once again! Forty-four bidders attempted to buy a yellowing copy from eBay, yet only one succeeded, at a price beyond rubies.

Οὖτις, Friday, 20 March 2015 15:37 (nine years ago) link

Obama has ended up following Cheney's worldview nearly to the letter, but I guess just not as lol, and that's what matters.

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Friday, 20 March 2015 15:39 (nine years ago) link

well he hasn't shot any friends in the face yet

Οὖτις, Friday, 20 March 2015 15:43 (nine years ago) link

still time tho

Οὖτις, Friday, 20 March 2015 15:43 (nine years ago) link

Outward Bound w/ Rahm

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Friday, 20 March 2015 15:52 (nine years ago) link

more drones than troops for O

curmudgeon, Friday, 20 March 2015 17:39 (nine years ago) link

Giuliani urges Republicans to confirm Lynch as AG

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/20/rudy-giuliani-loretta-lynch_n_6910424.html

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 22 March 2015 04:43 (nine years ago) link

Seems like this can go here (and not just the Rahm E thread)

Unless they get the crazy lefty money machine going nationally, it’s not going to matter that there’s a resurgent left,” said an adviser to Mr. Emanuel who did not want to speak publicly about strategy. “The liberals at Heartland Cafe in Rogers Park can think great thoughts and read poetry for Chuy, but nothing else will happen.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/22/us/chicago-mayors-race-is-cast-as-a-test-of-liberalism.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&_r=2

curmudgeon, Monday, 23 March 2015 14:03 (nine years ago) link

"Crazy Lefty Money Machine," my fave early Paul Simon composition

really how many George Soroseseses are there?

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Monday, 23 March 2015 14:20 (nine years ago) link

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2015/03/23/mitch-mcconnell-has-a-plan-to-derail-obamas-climate-agenda-it-might-actually-work/

Former Obama legal issues and appointments advisor, Law Prof Larry Tribe helping MCConnell with constitutional analysis (that others differ with) re state rights re fed regulations

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 24 March 2015 16:57 (nine years ago) link

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) said he didn't know what the Republican party's environmental platform is, but he does know that GOP inaction on climate change is Al Gore's fault.

"You know, when it comes to climate change being real, people of my party are all over the board," Graham said after a speech at the Council on Foreign Relations while responding to a question about whether Republicans could work with Democrats to address climate change.

"I said that it's real, that man has contributed to it in a substantial way," Graham continued. "But the problem is Al Gore's turned this thing into religion. You know, climate change is not a religious problem for me, it's an economic, it is an environmental problem."

The senator then said that Republicans do not have a clear stance on climate change, or a plan to address it.

"I think the Republican Party has to do some soul-searching. Before we can be bipartisan, we've got to figure out where we are as a party. What is the environmental platform of the Republican Party? I don't know, either," he said.

Graham, who has said before that environmental policy could be a problem for the GOP in 2016, indicated that he would like to help the party develop an environmental platform.

"I'd like to have a debate within the party. Can you say that climate change is a scientifically sound phenomenon? But can you reject the idea you have to destroy the economy to solve the problem, is sort of where I'll be taking this debate," he said.

who is dankey kang (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 24 March 2015 18:53 (nine years ago) link

so basically he's about 30 years behind

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 24 March 2015 18:56 (nine years ago) link

god he's dumb

who is dankey kang (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 24 March 2015 18:57 (nine years ago) link

or MAYBE strategically and cynically "dumb"

what is the difference these days, who knows

who is dankey kang (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 24 March 2015 18:58 (nine years ago) link

all of those debate "questions" were literally addressed decades ago

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 24 March 2015 19:01 (nine years ago) link

the GOP has a long list of items that require soul-searching. i like to imagine them all wandering into the desert together to search for their souls, getting lost, and never coming back.

ohohohoh or maybe they get lost but then they FIND their souls and return and suddenly kick ass

who is dankey kang (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 24 March 2015 19:04 (nine years ago) link

wrapping your servitude to the owner class inside bait for the starving class takes a certain kind of genius/cojones/deathwish, take your pick.

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 24 March 2015 19:06 (nine years ago) link

What is the environmental platform of the Republican Party?

You have to destroy the economy to solve the problem

Seems like he kinda answered his own question there.

Losing swag by the second (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 24 March 2015 19:08 (nine years ago) link

since the economy only really works for rich fucks anyways seems like a win-win

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 24 March 2015 20:32 (nine years ago) link

@ggreenwald
Congress, in its usual kneeling posture, says they have no problem at all with Israel spying on the US

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/03/24/congress-totally-cool-with-israel-spying-on-u-s-officials-negotiating-with-iran.html

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 24 March 2015 20:54 (nine years ago) link

digby makes the obvious point:

Israel is spying on the US, with US knowledge apparently. But Israel is sharing what it learns with opposition members of congress in order to influence policy within the US government.

These people want to jail Edward Snowden for espionage while actual members of the US Government are working with a foreign nation to undermine an anti-nuclear peace agreement!

who is dankey kang (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 24 March 2015 21:04 (nine years ago) link

That Bergdahl issue again, fuck.

Robert Earl Hughes (dandydonweiner), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 23:31 (nine years ago) link

george will has an opinion.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/how-income-inequality-benefits-everybody

Monopoly profits are social blessings when they “signal to the ambitious the wealth they can earn by entering previously unknown markets.” So “when the wealth gap widens, the lifestyle gap shrinks .” Hence, “income inequality in a capitalist system is truly beautiful” because “it provides the incentive for creative people to gamble on new ideas, and it turns luxuries into common goods.” Since 2000, the price of a 50-inch plasma TV has fallen from $20,000 to $550.

Henry Ford doubled his employees’ basic wage in 1914, supposedly to enable them to buy Fords. Actually, he did it because in 1913 annual worker turnover was 370 percent. He lowered labor costs by reducing turnover and the expense of constantly training new hires.

All these thoughts are from John Tamny, a one-man antidote to economic obfuscation and mystification. Thomas Carlyle (1795-1881), who called economics “the dismal science,” never read Tamny, a Forbes editor, editor of RealClearMarkets and now author of the cheerful, mind-opening book, “Popular Economics: What the Rolling Stones, Downton Abbey, and LeBron James Can Teach You About Economics.”

who is dankey kang (Karl Malone), Thursday, 26 March 2015 13:41 (nine years ago) link

a one-man antidote to economic obfuscation and mystification

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 26 March 2015 13:47 (nine years ago) link

Carlyle quote from his well-thumbed Bartlett's.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 26 March 2015 13:47 (nine years ago) link

whoops, i used the wrong link. i don't know why anyone would read it anyway, or why i chose to read it and share it with you all, but here's the corrected link.

btw, what the rolling stones can teach us about economics is that keith richards got so pissed about the tax rate in england in the early 70s that he moved to france.

who is dankey kang (Karl Malone), Thursday, 26 March 2015 13:50 (nine years ago) link

Also, heroin.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 26 March 2015 14:10 (nine years ago) link

LOL @ the great example Henry Ford being 101 year ago.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 26 March 2015 14:11 (nine years ago) link

i love how debt doesn't factor into george's little fairy tale world

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 26 March 2015 14:17 (nine years ago) link

As George notes, if you can buy a made in China Iphone, or whatever you need at a bargain rate at Walmart, who cares about debt or the fact the 1% elite make that much more than you. Inequality brings you food and a phone.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 26 March 2015 14:23 (nine years ago) link

That Will thing annoys me. Typically for conservative talkers, he's all on about how smart and clear-seeing he is, and how disappointingly stupid his opposition is being.

He posits a right-wing fantasy-land in which government spending is EXACTLY THE SAME as setting money on fire. In this view, the money ingested and expended by the wealthy and corporations is ever-flowing and miraculously regenerative, but governments are some weird monetary black hole.

Actually, the opposite is probably closer to the facts. Government spending is NOT simply flushed down the toilet; it goes back into the economy, usually pretty quickly.

- Directly buying things. For example, the Navy needs a lot of ketchup. So if you grow tomatoes or make ketchup, then - surprise! - tax dollars are flowing right back to you.

- Salaries and benefits to government workers.

Note: conservatives want you to think "pencil-necked EPA geek" when you hear the phrase "government worker." But that category omits all the soldiers, sailors, marines, police, firemen, teachers, etc. Those people are heroes when it's convenient for conservatives, but suddenly lazy and parasitic when it's convenient to lump them into the category "government workers."

And what do you think these folks do with their (allegedly lavish) paychecks? Set them on fire? No, they BUY THINGS. So if you sell groceries or cars or clothing to government workers, tax dollars are going right back into your pocket, as if by magic.

- Government contracting, which is OVERWHELMINGLY for defense. But even when it is not spent on guns, bombs, planes, and tanks, it is often spent on things like roads, bridges, etc. Guess who benefits? People whose jobs involve making those things. Also the people who sell food, clothing, housing, etc. to the people who make those things. And so on. I'm pretty sure the VPs of General Dynamics have nice houses. Somebody built those houses, somebody cleans them. I'm also pretty sure they consume groceries.

- "Entitlements" and "welfare," in all their varied and allegedly lavish forms. But do welfare recipients set their (allegedly lavish) checks on fire? No, they BUY THINGS. FROM PEOPLE. So if you sell groceries or cars or clothing or haircuts to welfare recipients, tax dollars are flowing right back into your pocket.

Indeed, poor people buy MORE things relative to their income. Because they have to. Otherwise, they'd starve. So it goes back to the economy fast. Much faster than corporately hoarded cash, for example.

Ye Mad Puffin, Thursday, 26 March 2015 18:10 (nine years ago) link

not without precedent, of course, and as abhorrent as ever. DIPLOMATIC IMMMUNITY.

An 800-page independent report commissioned by the US-friendly Colombian government and the radical left rebel group FARC found that US military soldiers and contractors had sexually abused at least 54 children in Colombia between 2003 and 2007 and, in all cases, the rapists were never punished–either in Colombia or stateside–due to American military personnel being immune from prosecution under diplomatic immunity agreements between the two countries.

http://fair.org/blog/2015/03/26/colombian-report-on-us-militarys-child-rapes-not-newsworthy-to-us-news-outlets/

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 26 March 2015 18:45 (nine years ago) link

this is the kind of freedom to operate we needed in iraq that they wouldnt agree to. fuckin islamofascists.

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 26 March 2015 20:43 (nine years ago) link

so this indiana thing

mookieproof, Thursday, 26 March 2015 20:58 (nine years ago) link

Hey, Pence says this Indiana law does not allow discrimination. Who are we and everyone else he didn't want to talk to after signing the bill, to question him.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 26 March 2015 22:13 (nine years ago) link

the jackson 5 come from gary. isn't that enough?

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 26 March 2015 22:33 (nine years ago) link

Harry Reid is gonna retire

curmudgeon, Friday, 27 March 2015 15:30 (nine years ago) link

Gonna be a mess in Nevada. No one to replace him. 2016 looks bleak in the Senate. Fortunately things can get always get worse.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 March 2015 15:33 (nine years ago) link

They will.

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 March 2015 15:38 (nine years ago) link

I wish Harris was replacing Feinstein instead of Boxer

Οὖτις, Friday, 27 March 2015 15:39 (nine years ago) link

was just gonna say Feinstein and Schumer will both die in the Senate, and help kill most of us along the way.

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 March 2015 16:25 (nine years ago) link

Schumer can fight for Wall Street from the Senate, and HC from the White House. Ugh

curmudgeon, Friday, 27 March 2015 17:05 (nine years ago) link

time for the Harry Reid retrospective think pieces

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 March 2015 17:16 (nine years ago) link

Reid said that Sens. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) and Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) would serve as the torch bearers for the populist wing and hold the caucus's feet to the fire.

Oh, thanks

curmudgeon, Friday, 27 March 2015 18:16 (nine years ago) link

http://www.vox.com/2015/3/26/8296863/mcmorris-rodgers-obamacare

My esteemed congressperson's obamacare panic effort backfired. One of my colleagues is in the fb screenshot which is kind of awesome.

joygoat, Friday, 27 March 2015 18:32 (nine years ago) link

this is kind of inappropriate but

PATTY MURRAAAYYY PATTY MURRAY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgvP-hKC66Y

goole, Friday, 27 March 2015 20:09 (nine years ago) link

I hate this site but this is a solid retrospective: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/harry-reid-resigns-legacy-116468.html?ml=tb

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 28 March 2015 12:47 (nine years ago) link

jeffrey dahmer tells charles manson he's too violent

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qA-K93l5LgM

reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 28 March 2015 14:04 (nine years ago) link

@ggreenwald
Bill Kristol worried Schumer is "too pro-Israel" to become Senate Dem leader. Don't worry, Bill: no such thing!

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/kristol-podcast-schumer-too-pro-israel-get-support-senate-democrats-leader_900607.html

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 28 March 2015 14:28 (nine years ago) link

One day after announcing himself as presidential candidate, Texas Senator Ted Cruz fired a few shots across the bow of Wall Street, and the firm that employs his wife as managing director.

In an interview with Bloomberg's With All Due Respect, Cruz was asked by host Mark Halperin whether, on balance, Goldman Sachs was a positive or a negative force on society.

"Like any institution, there's some of both," Cruz responded, adding, "Goldman is one of the biggest banks on Wall Street, and my criticism with Washington is they engage in crony capitalism. They give favors to Wall Street and big business and that's why I've been an outspoken opponent of crony capitalism, taking on leaders in both parties. I think big business, if they're building a better mousetrap, great, but it shouldn't be government favoring, and let me give you an example: Dodd-Frank. Sold to the American people as stopping 'too-big-to-fail.' What happened? The big banks have gotten bigger. Goldman has gotten bigger..."

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-03-24/ted-cruz-knocks-goldman-sachs-employer-of-his-wife

This guy, he's phonier than a used car salesman.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 30 March 2015 03:16 (nine years ago) link

If he could actually comprehend the level of irony here his head would explode.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 30 March 2015 03:18 (nine years ago) link

Building a better mousetrap what the fuck?

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 30 March 2015 03:19 (nine years ago) link

“I am unabashedly proud of everything about Heidi,” Cruz replied when Bloomberg Politics asked if her career at Goldman Sachs could undermine his critique of crony capitalism at the investment bank.

Not just proud of, but reliant upon. Beyond the personal support that all candidates require from their families, Mrs. Cruz brings political talents to the table that could prove helpful in the 2016 election season. Her Goldman Sachs ties make her a “not-so-secret weapon” in terms of fundraising...

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/416095/ted-cruzs-not-so-secret-weapon-his-wife-joel-gehrke

And she’s a foreign-policy expert, having served on the National Security Council during George W. Bush’s presidency. Far from fretting that she could be a liability to his presidential candidacy, the senator and his team are “very confident that she is one of our campaign’s greatest assets,” according to spokesman Brian Phillips.

Oh yes the successful foreign policy of the W presidency what great experience that must have been.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 30 March 2015 03:24 (nine years ago) link

and it's Mitch McConnell instead of Sinatra who says "That's enough."

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Monday, 30 March 2015 17:36 (nine years ago) link

just super plausible, and sane, and well-suited to real life, to consider

goole, Monday, 30 March 2015 17:38 (nine years ago) link

In NRO's political obit for Reid it alluded to Reid's being a sleazeball who's benefitted from the public trough or something but included, of course, no hyperlinks. I tend to think he is.

But I love this bit from the Vox story:

Reid — who has grown wealthy enough while in office to make the Ritz-Carlton his DC residence

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 30 March 2015 17:48 (nine years ago) link

a friend of a friend lost pretty much all sight in one eye when a p90x resistance band snapped and hit him square in the face

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 30 March 2015 20:15 (nine years ago) link

ps this is the best part of the vox story

Reid reported the attempted bribery to the FBI. They set up a sting, but Reid ended up going off-script and choking the criminal as he was about to be arrested.

"You son of a bitch, you tried to bribe me!" Reid said.

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 30 March 2015 20:15 (nine years ago) link

While a day ago:

The Obama administration on Tuesday outlined an ambitious plan for slashing U.S. greenhouse-gas pollution over the next decade, calling for accelerating the shift from fossil fuels to clean energy to stave off the worst effects of climate change.

Documents filed with the United Nations formally committed the United States to lowering total U.S. carbon emissions by 26 to 28 percent by 2025, compared with 2005 levels. White House officials called the plan “ambitious and achievable,” and said the pollution cuts could be made without hampering economic growth.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2015/03/31/obama-administration-citing-climate-risks-plans-steep-cuts-in-greenhouse-gas-pollution/

Why both of these steps, drilling and new :

Here's 1 attempt at an explanation, obviously consider the source

http://www.businessinsider.com/r-heres-why-obama-is-approving-arctic-drilling-again-2015-4

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 1 April 2015 20:12 (nine years ago) link

mcconnell is pulling a cotton:

In an effort to undermine international negotiations aimed at combating climate change, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) is telling other countries not to trust President Obama’s promise to significantly reduce the United States’ carbon emissions.

In a statement released Tuesday, McConnell warned other countries to “proceed with caution” before pledging any carbon emissions reductions to the United Nations, saying the U.S. would likely not be able to meet its own climate goals. The statement came shortly after Obama announced the official U.S. plan to slash the United States’ greenhouse gas emissions as much as 28 percent as part of an international agreement brokered by the U.N.

“Even if the job-killing and likely illegal Clean Power Plan were fully implemented, the United States could not meet the targets laid out in this proposed new plan,” McConnell said, adding that “Our international partners should proceed with caution before entering into a binding, unattainable deal.”

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/04/01/3641594/mcconnells-inner-tom-cotton/

who is dankey kang (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 1 April 2015 20:24 (nine years ago) link

the loyal opposition!

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 1 April 2015 21:00 (nine years ago) link

so now all congress is reduced to is pumping out glorified press releases talking shit about the president every two weeks?

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 1 April 2015 21:22 (nine years ago) link

now?

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 1 April 2015 21:26 (nine years ago) link

oh no, veto #4. unions bad! what will the dastardly kenyan dictator do next to undermine the confidence of the job creators?

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/237481-obama-vetoes-gop-bill-on-union-elections

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 2 April 2015 12:49 (nine years ago) link

xxp it beats actually governing.

head clowning instructor (art), Thursday, 2 April 2015 12:53 (nine years ago) link

McDonald's is raising wages. This New Republic writers says its because of the economy , not due to protests and such

McDonald's is part of a growing trend in big business. Wal-Mart made news earlier this year when it announced it would raise its wages for 500,000 workers to more than $10 per hour next year. TJ Maxx, Ikea, Target and Aetna have all raised their wages in the past few months. All of these companies are not buckling under societal pressure to boost pay. They’re doing so for economic reasons. And surveys of employers bear this out as well

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/121433/mcdonalds-raising-its-workers-pay-because-economy

curmudgeon, Thursday, 2 April 2015 18:22 (nine years ago) link

lameduck Dem presidents discover the unions, huh? visions of Hillary sugarplums in 2023...

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 2 April 2015 18:28 (nine years ago) link

All of these companies are not buckling under societal pressure to boost pay. They’re doing so for economic reasons.

these companies would like you to know that they are NOT considering public feedback at all

Karl Malone, Thursday, 2 April 2015 18:40 (nine years ago) link

@glennbeck
Excited to announce that @GGreenwald will be my guest tomorrow at 9amET.

polyphonic, Thursday, 2 April 2015 19:44 (nine years ago) link

the convergence is upon us

Free Me's Electric Trumpet (Moodles), Thursday, 2 April 2015 20:26 (nine years ago) link

i imagine that there are some issues where they could find common ground (certain civil liberty issues)

Karl Malone, Thursday, 2 April 2015 20:38 (nine years ago) link

you don't have to be a paranoid lunatic to think obama has a poor secrecy and foreign policy record, but it... well it doesn't help, but he does.

goole, Thursday, 2 April 2015 20:39 (nine years ago) link

curious if glenn and glenn will talk mike pence and indiana

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 2 April 2015 20:44 (nine years ago) link

boy...Glenn looks unhealthy.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 April 2015 20:46 (nine years ago) link

you think Greenwald will wear cargo shorts and flip-flops to show him up?

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 April 2015 20:47 (nine years ago) link

So according to this expert the Iran deal is far better than anyone had a right to expect.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 April 2015 01:09 (nine years ago) link

That reads more like a mashup of two different conversations than actual discussion.

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 3 April 2015 15:05 (nine years ago) link

Beck and other conservatives with their same crazy talking point regarding Indiana and Iran. Conservative tweets in the link

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2015/04/the-nuclear-meltdown-commences.html

curmudgeon, Friday, 3 April 2015 15:11 (nine years ago) link

the point about pakistan is a truthbomb. everyone always pisses their pants about proliferation but pakistan literally helped give north korea the bomb and what did we do about it? jack shit.

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 3 April 2015 16:57 (nine years ago) link

Jeb Bush identified himself as “Hispanic” in a 2009 voter registration application form for the State of Florida unearthed by the New York Times.

curmudgeon, Monday, 6 April 2015 15:26 (nine years ago) link

so very lol

Οὖτις, Monday, 6 April 2015 15:31 (nine years ago) link

if this was a dem the right would put this on his/her tombstone and we'd never hear the end of it

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 6 April 2015 18:01 (nine years ago) link

This article about the horrifying Kansas bill includes this awesome throwaway moment:

Sen. David Haley, D-Kansas City, called the bill’s passage during Holy Week ironic. He chided Republican members of the Senate, who regularly hold Bible studies at the Capitol, to reflect on whether the bill matched the teachings of Christ.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 April 2015 17:53 (nine years ago) link

results 1 - 20 of 5,210,000 for 'horrifying Kansas bill'

https://www.google.com/#q=horrifying+kansas+bill

totally unachievable goals and no incentive to compromise (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 9 April 2015 18:47 (nine years ago) link

The narrative writes itself when you GIS Horrifying Kansas Bill. Amazing

totally unachievable goals and no incentive to compromise (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 9 April 2015 19:08 (nine years ago) link

http://www.speaker.gov/titanic

gr8080, Friday, 10 April 2015 19:08 (nine years ago) link

Speaker Boehner's staff obviously got into the liquor cabinet.

Giant Purple Wakerobin (Aimless), Friday, 10 April 2015 23:47 (nine years ago) link

christ what an asshole

A week and a half ago, Chuck Schumer, currently third in the leadership of the minority party in the U.S. Senate, moved quickly to solidify his position as the next leader of Democrats, securing the support of his caucus.

This week he endorsed Republican Senator Bob Corker’s bill, which, on paper, gives Congress the right to approve the nuclear agreement hammered out with Iran by the U.S. and its allies (collectively known as the P5+1). In reality, this bill is yet another carefully crafted attempt to thwart a negotiated end to this nuclear standoff.

Schumer told Politico: “I strongly believe Congress should have the right to disapprove any agreement, and I support the Corker bill, which would allow that to occur.”

The ramifications of the Corker bill are clear. Republicans will not grant their stamp of approval to any treaty signed with Iran. Regardless of their rhetoric, in the absence of a negotiated agreement, the neoconservative dream of military action against Iran creeps closer to reality.

Thus in his first major public act following the announcement of his presumed ascension to the top Democratic position in the Senate, Schumer undermined the views of the overwhelming majority of Democrats across the country, in particular the left flank of the party, whose activism (and online contributions) he will in part rely on to recapture the majority in the 2016 congressional elections.

Karl Malone, Sunday, 12 April 2015 03:56 (nine years ago) link

He's already got enemies on the left because he's got wall streets dick in his mouth, this doesn't seem wise to piss them off for an entirely different reason..

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Sunday, 12 April 2015 15:19 (nine years ago) link

Schmuck isn't wise

Οὖτις, Sunday, 12 April 2015 15:37 (nine years ago) link

Don't think he cares who he irritates on the left

curmudgeon, Monday, 13 April 2015 04:47 (nine years ago) link

yes there's no Crazy Lefty Money Machine to get Schmuck out of office next time.

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Monday, 13 April 2015 05:03 (nine years ago) link

he and Hil, perfect together

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Monday, 13 April 2015 05:04 (nine years ago) link

(although frankly, a GOP prez and Congress is EXACTLY what the Dem whorehouse deserves in 18 months)

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Monday, 13 April 2015 05:06 (nine years ago) link

no they don't

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 April 2015 11:02 (nine years ago) link

With Alfred. Nitpick and criticize the Dems in Congress all you want, but no one should be stuck with the hateful nonsense the GOP is bringing

curmudgeon, Monday, 13 April 2015 12:51 (nine years ago) link

bsabsvr

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 13 April 2015 12:52 (nine years ago) link

Bill Kristol: If Dems Nominate Hillary, GOP Should Nominate Dick Cheney (VIDEO)

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 April 2015 13:34 (nine years ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCesLVCUAAAF2V7.jpg

goole, Monday, 13 April 2015 15:12 (nine years ago) link

LOL yes it is

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 13 April 2015 15:14 (nine years ago) link

bill kristol should be in jail

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 13 April 2015 16:47 (nine years ago) link

thx for reminding me

Οὖτις, Monday, 13 April 2015 16:53 (nine years ago) link

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2015/04/why-do-progressive-states-have-regressive-tax-codes

The nation's most regressive tax code belongs to Washington, a state that was ranked by The Hill last year as the bluest in the country based on its voting patterns and Democratic dominance. The poorest 20 percent of Washingtonians pay an effective state tax rate of 16.8 percent, while the wealthiest 1 percent effectively pay just 2.4 percent of their income in taxes.

There's a clear explanation for that: Washington has no income tax and thus heavily relies on a sales tax that disproportionately affects the poor

curmudgeon, Monday, 13 April 2015 18:40 (nine years ago) link

This is probably the one major thing I dislike about Washington. There was a ballot initiative in 2010 to set up a state income tax for individuals who make over 200K / families over 400K and it got shot down 65-35 which is crazy to me.

That whole "you know, I MIGHT make $200,000 a year some day and man that would suck to have to pay taxes on that" mindset is insane to me. Meanwhile enjoy your shitty education and infrastructure.

joygoat, Monday, 13 April 2015 18:57 (nine years ago) link

It's fucking insane that the tax cutoff is $14,000 a year. I was thinking it should at least be cut off at poverty level. Then I looked into the official Department of Health and Human services Poverty Guidlines. Apparently if you make over $12 a year you are not living in poverty!

2015 POVERTY GUIDELINES FOR THE 48 CONTIGUOUS STATES AND THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
Persons in family/household Poverty guideline
For families/households with more than 8 persons, add $4,160 for each additional person.
1 $11,770
2 15,930
3 20,090
4 24,250
5 28,410
6 32,570
7 36,730
8 40,890

http://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/15poverty.cfm

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 13 April 2015 19:02 (nine years ago) link

(CNN)The top Republican and Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee said Tuesday they have resolved key differences on the bill regarding Iran's nuclear plan, meaning that passage of the bill through the chamber looks more certain.

Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Bob Corker said Tuesday that negotiators had reached a bipartisan agreement on legislation allowing Congress to review a final nuclear deal with Iran.

"What I'm most proud of is we've kept the pure integrity of the process in place and the President cannot lift, while Congress is reviewing this, cannot lift the congressionally mandated sanctions, which is what they've been trying to do and push for over the past couple of weeks," Corker told reporters as he headed into a classified briefing on the emerging Iran agreement with Secretary of state John Kerry and other top administration officials. "While Corker said that "no one should ever count their chickens before they hatch," he expressed optimism that when the bill comes up for a vote in the committee later Tuesday it would pass, as expected.

According to a Corker aide familiar with the details of the bill, it requires the President to submit the final agreement to Congress, which will have up to 52 days to review and approve the deal. That includes an initial review period of 30 days, with 12 more days added automatically if Congress passes a bill and sends it to the president and an additional 10 days of congressional review if Obama vetoes the legislation.

Mordy, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 17:42 (nine years ago) link

so fucking stupid

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 17:43 (nine years ago) link

i don't know why the president should be able to unilaterally lift congressionally mandated sanctions tbh

Mordy, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 17:44 (nine years ago) link

unless we're just done w/ this whole separation of power thing and the executive is going to be in charge of all decisions from now on

Mordy, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 17:44 (nine years ago) link

it's the general congressional opposition that's incoherent and stupid, not the tactics

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 17:49 (nine years ago) link

GOP wants to deny Obama any successes of any kind and Dems cowed by AIPAC and Bibi all too eager to oblige, even though neither faction has any clear demands about what else they could possibly want out of a deal with Iran. all they want is no deal.

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 17:50 (nine years ago) link

obama kinda opened a precedent for congressional intervention in foreign affairs when he sent the syria plan to them for approval.

Mordy, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 17:51 (nine years ago) link

that's inaccurate. they have very clear demands. for one, they want iranian recognition of israel. now maybe it's so unlikely that it's not worth including, but it's dishonest to say that they haven't said what demands they want. in fact bibi released a whole list of things he wants from a deal.

Mordy, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 17:51 (nine years ago) link

now maybe it's so unlikely that it's not worth including

*ding ding ding*

this is the kind of demand that is made to ensure that no deal will happen, and it doesn't even have anything to do with *why* the sanctions are in place in the first place. Sanctions weren't instituted because Iran wouldn't recognize Israel, they were instituted because of Iran's nuclear program.

Also Bibi is not a member of congress (much as he might like to be), I haven't read of any congressional members signing off on his list of demands.

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 17:55 (nine years ago) link

sure maybe but obama said himself in 2008:

Only recently have some come to think that diplomacy by definition cannot be tough. They forget the example of Truman, and Kennedy and Reagan. These presidents understood that diplomacy backed by real leverage was a fundamental tool of statecraft. And it is time to once again make American diplomacy a tool to succeed, not just a means of containing failure. We will pursue this diplomacy with no illusions about the Iranian regime. Instead, we will present a clear choice. If you abandon your dangerous nuclear program, support for terror, and threats to Israel, there will be meaningful incentives — including the lifting of sanctions, and political and economic integration with the international community. If you refuse, we will ratchet up the pressure.

so ya know. let's not pretend like anyone here is a particularly honest dude. not the iranians, not the israelis, not the congress and not obama.

Mordy, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 17:58 (nine years ago) link

and not Speaker Netanyahu

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 April 2015 18:00 (nine years ago) link

If you abandon your dangerous nuclear program, support for terror, and threats to Israel, there will be meaningful incentives — including the lifting of sanctions, and political and economic integration with the international community.

this was a speech, not legislation and you will note there is no straight 1:1 correlation between any of those things - it's a very general statement

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 18:03 (nine years ago) link

i mean ok all politicians lie to get elected, but considering that he legit campaigned on sanctions only being lifted w/ Iranian secession of terror support, and threats to Israel, it's pretty disingenuous to come back today and be like 'no, that requirement is totally crazy.'

Mordy, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 18:04 (nine years ago) link

legit campaigned on sanctions only being lifted w/ Iranian secession of terror support, and threats to Israel

this is a nice misreading, but it's wrong

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 18:05 (nine years ago) link

'sanctions have nothing to do w/ terror support + threats!' 'they would never accept it anyway!' 'you just want to kill the deal!' < this is all WH propaganda to try and sell the current deal

Mordy, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 18:05 (nine years ago) link

also yes lol campaign speeches

I hear Gitmo is closed oh wai

xp

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 18:06 (nine years ago) link

lol tell me how it's wrong:

Instead, we will present a clear choice. If you abandon your dangerous nuclear program, support for terror, and threats to Israel, there will be meaningful incentives — including the lifting of sanctions, and political and economic integration with the international community. If you refuse, we will ratchet up the pressure.

how does that not mean - incentives for abandoning nuclear program, support for terror, and threats to Israel, ratcheting up pressure for refusing those things?

Mordy, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 18:06 (nine years ago) link

But even if Obama had made this recognition a cornerstone of the Security Council agreement this Congress would still have found another footnote to argue over. Frankly, given Obama's foreign policy malfeasance I wouldn't trust him either but with the other SC members it's a case of the Legion of Doom keeping a close eye on each other as they guard their self-interest.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 April 2015 18:07 (nine years ago) link

like be honest - if the game has changed, or obama is desperate for a deal, or he just said shit in 2008 to get elected, ok whatever. but don't tell me - no, actually the plain meaning of the words he spoke are false and ppl who still hold that position in 2015 are disingenuous.

Mordy, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 18:07 (nine years ago) link

you have Congressmen agreeing with John Bolton that we should drop missiles on Iran. Why should we take them on good faith?

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 April 2015 18:08 (nine years ago) link

i assume that if congress wants a veto-proof majority for this bill they're going to need to convince some people to sign on who don't agree w/ john bolton

Mordy, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 18:11 (nine years ago) link

Majority Leader Bolton

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 April 2015 18:12 (nine years ago) link

and if a veto-proof majority of congress supports the bill, and it's legal within the framework of the constitution, then what's the complaint exactly? we're upset that the executive branch doesn't have more unilateral legal power than it already does?

Mordy, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 18:13 (nine years ago) link

or is this just more creepy liberalism. democracy for me but not for thee?

Mordy, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 18:14 (nine years ago) link

sanctions have nothing to do w/ terror support + threats!

terror support and threats are not mentioned/addressed in the Comprehensive Iran Sanctions, Accountability, and Divestment Act of 2010

how does that not mean - incentives for abandoning nuclear program, support for terror, and threats to Israel, ratcheting up pressure for refusing those things?

I know you know what "including" and "and" mean. that statement does not specify any direct relationship between any of the items listed - it's vague as befits a campaign statement. (and frankly I don't think it's worth parsing the semantics of campaign speeches when it comes down to how policy actually gets done)

xxp

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 18:15 (nine years ago) link

i think yr doing some serious gymnastics to explain how obama didn't mean what he obviously meant. but whatever, obv you have a stake in defending him on this issue.

Mordy, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 18:16 (nine years ago) link

"including" doesn't even come into the part of the sentence you think you're parsing. " If you abandon your dangerous nuclear program, support for terror, and threats to Israel, there will be meaningful incentives... If you refuse, we will ratchet up the pressure." The including is the kind of meaningful incentives there will be. He wasn't saying that if the things they agree to include abandoning etc. this is basic reading skills you're deliberately fucking up on to make a silly argument.

Mordy, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 18:17 (nine years ago) link

unless we're just done w/ this whole separation of power thing and the executive is going to be in charge of all decisions from now on

― Mordy, Tuesday, April 14, 2015 5:44 PM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

congress has gleefully been ceding authority to the executive for a couple decades now

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 14 April 2015 18:18 (nine years ago) link

using "including" to preface the "meaningful incentives" listed oh why do I bother

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 18:28 (nine years ago) link

"Instead, we will present a clear choice:" You can choose between the following two things.
"If you abandon your dangerous nuclear program, support for terror, and threats to Israel, there will be meaningful incentives." If you do these three things, A, B, and (not 'or') C, there will be meaningful incentives.
"— including the lifting of sanctions, and political and economic integration with the international community." The kinds of meaningful incentives include lifting sanctions, political and economic integration.
"If you refuse," to do the things we listed above
"we will ratchet up the pressure."

Mordy, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 18:29 (nine years ago) link

i don't know why you bother tbh. just say that obama was lying to get elected and he never really believed it. stop w/ the innovative syntactical interpretation.

Mordy, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 18:30 (nine years ago) link

I read that statement to indicate "you do some of these things = you get some of these things" but it doesn't get any more specific than that i.e. if Iran does a subset of the former the implication is they'll get a subset of the latter, it's not an all-or-nothing statement.

anyway I'm done with this let's move on...

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 18:31 (nine years ago) link

btw, ratchetting up the sanctions in lieu of a deal that contains these provisions is also bibi's position. bibi today + obama in 2008 agree!

Mordy, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 18:31 (nine years ago) link

fwiw I don't think he was lying there really (altho everyone lies to get elected) as much as he was laying out a general strategy and not something that could reasonably be interpreted as a specific, firm commitment

xxp

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 18:32 (nine years ago) link

But if someone in 2015 agrees with 2008 Obama are they dishonest liars trying to jettison any deal? Whose position has evolved here exactly

Mordy, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 18:33 (nine years ago) link

I didn't call anyone a dishonest liar

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 18:41 (nine years ago) link

GOP is v clear that they don't want a deal

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 18:41 (nine years ago) link

(altho yeah I wouldn't hesitate to call Bibi a dishonest liar, cf his pre-re-election comments)

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 18:42 (nine years ago) link

In the end it's probably just a sideshow. If State can't even get agreement from Iran for the framework deal provisions that they supposedly had a breakthrough on what's the chance a final deal will happen?

Mordy, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 18:43 (nine years ago) link

They don't even have a framework deal.

Mordy, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 18:44 (nine years ago) link

More likely Iran installs the Russian missile defense system and then tells O to fuck off

Mordy, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 18:45 (nine years ago) link

we are the dishonest truthtellers! goodnight bowling green!

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 18:45 (nine years ago) link

If anything I feel like congress is giving political cover to Obama for when shit falls through bc then he can blame them

Mordy, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 18:47 (nine years ago) link

Obama saying he will sign this bipartisan deal = yeah you are probably right

blech

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 18:56 (nine years ago) link

although I kinda doubt that was Corker's intention lol

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 18:57 (nine years ago) link

But if they get a deal and Dems had backed O, this is what he had wanted constitutionally, without needing Congressional approval

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2015/03/10/executive-agreements-and-senate-disagreements/

treaties serve as a tiny fraction of international agreements. From the vantage of the White House, this makes perfect sense: Achieving a 2/3 vote authorizing ratification has become increasingly implausible no matter what treaty is under discussion. ....

more than 18,500 executive agreements have been entered into since 1789: more than 17,000 of them from 1939 on. By the mid-1920s, the number of executive agreements had started to outpace the number of treaties, a trend vastly accelerated by World War II; between 1953 and 1972, more than three-quarters of significant military commitments abroad were conducted via executive agreement rather than by treaty. These included, in the mid-1960s, major commitments to the defense of such nations as Ethiopia, Thailand and Spain. In the last case, the U.S. pledged to protect Spain (which did not join NATO until 1982) against attack in exchange for the right to use Spanish soil for military bases.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 18:59 (nine years ago) link

iran agreeing to reduce threats to israel isn't the same thing as agreeing to recognize israel

what is the 'reduced threat to israel' going to mean anyway, beyond curtailing the nuclear program itself? like, that's what the whole thing is for. reducing support for assad? or hamas? why not demand they bring the shah back while we're at it.

if you want to get a deal in place it's probably better to not mention israel at all. the iranians won't even admit the program is for war anyway, right? or if they want nuclear power, it's purely defensive? demanding they say 'israel is a legitimate state' is not only a few bridges too far it seems kind of pointless.

shakey otm, an attempt to include language of recognition is an attempt to torpedo the whole thing.

frankly i don't see why hawks aren't ok with putting some dumb deal in place; given what they think of the iranians, it won't take long before they are found breaking the deal and then presto, we have a more legit casus belli (because they are fanatics and paranoids is why not)

goole, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 19:18 (nine years ago) link

oh my god

http://hillaryis44.com/

this blog is still going

and it is REALLY going

goole, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 21:31 (nine years ago) link

motherfucker is just flying right now

goole, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 21:32 (nine years ago) link

a quote from a Hillary hating article from a Hillary Hater at the Hillary Hating All White Republic:

so much hatin

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 21:41 (nine years ago) link

Inspired by Clinton’s “pragmatic centrism”

lol I can't think of many things less inspiring than the phrase "pragmatic centrism"

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 21:43 (nine years ago) link

dogmatic censusism

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 April 2015 21:44 (nine years ago) link

"George W. Bush"

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 April 2015 21:45 (nine years ago) link

"18-1/2 months more of this shit"

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 April 2015 21:49 (nine years ago) link

don't expect an improvement in month 19

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 21:52 (nine years ago) link

my historical memory is shorter than others, or maybe it's experiencing more of this thru twitter this time around, but i feel like the level of already-sick-of-this-shit cynicism is remarkable

goole, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 21:55 (nine years ago) link

don't u feel like already-sick-of-this-shit cynicism is an eternal condition?

Mordy, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 21:57 (nine years ago) link

hey guys, the cynics are the ppl putting on the fucking circus.

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 April 2015 22:02 (nine years ago) link

The right wingnuts have a few wingnut-pandering candidates to excite them. Everyone to the left of the right wingnuts has a big bowl of lukewarm gruel to look forward to.

Giant Purple Wakerobin (Aimless), Tuesday, 14 April 2015 22:02 (nine years ago) link

i suspect that historically we [the public], and more of us, probably have more input into the political process than almost any other time in history. maybe there's a relationship between a low level of participation in politics and cynicism - bc if you have no participation, there's no reason to get hopeful in the first place. but a little bit is enough for you to believe politics should be serving you, and become cynical + disappointed when it doesn't. or maybe historically political cynicism always existed. "death & taxes" dates at least back to 18th century and has a bit of that cynical resigned tone in it.

Mordy, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 22:07 (nine years ago) link

all i really know is that hagar the horrible complains about his local governance a lot

Mordy, Tuesday, 14 April 2015 22:07 (nine years ago) link

The Kochs just spend lots of money

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 04:57 (nine years ago) link

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-vGJpg3cZfmI/VS6J4O0zZYI/AAAAAAAAYXM/TA9je2owoL4/s1600/Screenshot%2B2015-04-15%2Bat%2B8.52.38%2BAM.png

sliiiiiiightly ambiguous coming from the GOP.

they didn't even try to rephrase or delete it either

Karl Malone, Thursday, 16 April 2015 16:58 (nine years ago) link

"Believe me, a lot of us already know most of the dimples on the imperial derriere by now"

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 April 2015 17:20 (nine years ago) link

Solnit wrote that back in 2012--is it going around again in response to the seeming inevitability of the Clinton nomination?

one way street, Thursday, 16 April 2015 17:29 (nine years ago) link

"Can you imagine how far the civil rights movement would have gotten, had it been run entirely by complainers for whom nothing was ever good enough? "

O_o

the fuckin catalina wine mixer (sleepingbag), Thursday, 16 April 2015 17:37 (nine years ago) link

That guy hangs out with the wrong people. There are lots of part-time amateur activists out there who are working toward practical goals. They tend to cluster around local issues more than national ones, so maybe he doesn't notice them or maybe he doesn't care, but imo complaining about the complainers doesn't exactly constitute a step ahead.

Giant Purple Wakerobin (Aimless), Thursday, 16 April 2015 17:50 (nine years ago) link

this whole tpp thing is shady as fuck

http://www.thenation.com/blog/204569/now-congress-fast-tracking-tpp-fast-track

Im actually shocked schumer is opposing fast track

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 16 April 2015 18:40 (nine years ago) link

It must be for the wrong reasons.

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 16 April 2015 18:40 (nine years ago) link

Looks like O and the business types may be able to win over Schumer, and they're trying to win over other dems

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/17/business/obama-trade-legislation-fast-track-authority-trans-pacific-partnership.html

Senator Charles E. Schumer of New York, the third-ranking Democrat, said he will demand the inclusion of legislation to combat the manipulation of currency values, especially by China. “China is the most rapacious of our trading partners, and the stated goal of this deal is to lure these other countries away from China,” Mr. Schumer said. “It’s not at all contradictory to finally do something with China’s awful trade practices.”

But Mr. Obama’s enthusiasm was tempered by the rancor the bill elicited from some of his strongest allies. To win over the key Democrat, Mr. Wyden, the Republicans agreed to stringent requirements for the deal, including a human rights negotiating objective that has never existed on trade agreements.

curmudgeon, Saturday, 18 April 2015 15:48 (nine years ago) link

And the Loretta Lynch nomination looks like will get a vote, thanks to a compromise that looks like more shadowplay:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/senate-leaders-clear-way-for-vote-on-loretta-lynch-as-attorney-general-1429627789

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 21 April 2015 18:05 (nine years ago) link

human rights addition sounds good, I wonder if it really has any teeth tho

I don't fully understand the details of the TPP but if it's like NAFTA etc (and I don't see any indication that it's not) then I'm just against it in principle

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 21 April 2015 18:11 (nine years ago) link

i'm not sure that anyone fully understands the details of TPP at this point

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 21 April 2015 18:56 (nine years ago) link

so wait, prosperity didn't trickle down in kansas? did they just not cut taxes hard enough?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/04/21/vwelfap/?tid=sm_tw

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 21 April 2015 22:33 (nine years ago) link

Hillvetica is now a font

http://www.gofundme.com/rvtcu8

micah, Wednesday, 22 April 2015 12:03 (nine years ago) link

@ggreenwald
Pro-NSA liberals have a great new ally: Mitch McConnell, who wants to extend Patriot Act's Sec 215 by 5 more years

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/mcconnell-introduces-bill-to-extend-nsa-surveillance/2015/04/21/fa4b66aa-e89d-11e4-aae1-d642717d8afa_story.html

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 April 2015 12:24 (nine years ago) link

what a charmer:

Letting opponents choose which side to take was one of his patented pieces of debate brinkmanship. His “flourish,” according to Scott Angstreich, a former teammate, would be to crumple up a piece of paper of the side not taken. In reality, the page remaining in his other hand had both the pro and con arguments written on opposite sides.

“Nobody was better at setting traps,” said Austan D. Goolsbee, a Yale debater who became a leading economist for President Obama. He recalled Mr. Cruz’s attempts to control debates with carefully constructed arguments that always seemed to anticipate his opponents’ rebuttals.

But Mr. Goolsbee and other top debaters on the circuit who frequently beat Mr. Cruz discovered it was easy to get under his skin, especially with humor. “It would unravel him,” Mr. Goolsbee said.

In one round, Mr. Goolsbee pointed out that the story of Mr. Cruz’s father coming to America, as compelling as it sounded, was not entirely relevant to, say, the federal deficit.

“How dare you insult my father!” Mr. Cruz replied.

Mr. Cruz’s own attempts at humor sometimes missed the mark. In one debate, he proposed a method to detect infidelity, in which God should “give women a hymen that grows back every time she has intercourse with a different guy, because that will be a ‘visible sign’ of the breach of trust,” according to a recollection by David Kennedy published in a Harvard debate team reunion booklet in 2001.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 22 April 2015 17:59 (nine years ago) link

can't believe God didn't think of that first

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 22 April 2015 18:02 (nine years ago) link

Can't believe Cruz has ever seen 1 (one) hymen.

camp event (suzy), Wednesday, 22 April 2015 18:03 (nine years ago) link

leestrasberg.jpeg

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 April 2015 18:13 (nine years ago) link

would shake my head ruefully about Kansas but WA's dumbfuck legislature seems to have no interest in fixing our most-regressive-tax-structure-in-the-country this session

brunch technician (silby), Wednesday, 22 April 2015 18:15 (nine years ago) link

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the-2016-obamacare-states

There are many Democrats who believe that, in political terms, the joke will be on Republicans if the Supreme Court adopts the preposterous claim of the plaintiffs who say that Obamacare subsidies in states without state exchanges violate the law. This is because millions of middle- and lower middle-class people who had a benefit suddenly will have it taken away. I feel like I've been to this rodeo enough times to know Republicans have a really high capacity to stick with unpopular policies if doing otherwise would cut against key ideological priorities. In functional terms, the complaints of a few hundred thousand of what Sen. Johnson and his interviewer called "sad sacks" who lose their insurance cuts a lot less than the base's ideological commitment to opposing Obamacare by any means necessary. But the calculus may be different in some key states - states that did not set up exchanges but are generally blue or purple in presidential elections.

...Here are the states without market places that seem to me in reasonable contention in 2016. As you'll see, this list reads like a list of key swing states.

Florida (1,479,439)

Maine (66,616)

Missouri (222,559)

New Jersey (211,158)

North Carolina (512,975)

Ohio (196,714)

Pennsylvania (379,607)

Virginia (320,525)

Wisconsin (184,822)

In parantheses, I've listed the number of individuals in each state currently enrolled with an Obamacare policy and receiving a subsidy.

i keep thinking about the assumption among left-leaning people that a supreme court decision that eliminating subsidies would outrage people who lost them, who would then blame republicans for it and vote for the democratic candidate instead.

i think that assumption is wrong, or at the very least not clear. admittedly my opinion leans heavily on a really cynical view of how much information voters have, the poor quality of the news they choose to pay attention to, and how much independent research they're willing to do. but if you're a low-information voter in a state that's either purple or red, surrounded by conservatives and assholes at work who have been mass-forwarding obamacare conspiracy emails for the past 5 years, and suddenly your subsidies are taken away, wouldn't your first response be to blame obamacare itself, and by extension the democratic party? all you know is that this big obamacare thing that everyone hates is taking your subsidies away because the supreme court said something in obamacare was illegal, and democrats were the one that pushed it on you. in order to place the blame on the republicans, you'd have to check at least one or two of these boxes:

- understand that the right-wing of the supreme court voted in favor of it, overruling the democrat-appointed justices
- understand that the case itself was pushed by conservative groups trying to undercut obama's signature achievement
- understand that there's an easy way for congress to fix the entire issue (by amending the law so the language regarding whether or not states that choose not to build exchanges are allowed to receive subsidies), and it will never happen because of the republicans
- understand that states could have avoided the entire issue, as ridiculous as "the issue" is, if they would have built their own exchanges, which is one assume that states led by conservatives who hate the federal government and preach States Rights at every opportunity would want to do in the first place

i think it's easy to assume that if the worst-case scenario happens and the supreme court eliminates the subsidies, everyone will immediately make the connections and blame the obvious culprit. but in order to assign that blame you have to know at least a LITTLE bit about the process, and that's a big assumption.

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 22 April 2015 21:08 (nine years ago) link

it's the old thing where the truth is way more complicated than a lie. assume you know nothing and believe everything. your subsidies are taken away. the political ads start becoming more and more frequent.

Republican Ad: the Democrats pushed Obamacare on you, no one likes it, we tried to stop it but were defeated, and now look at how it's FALLING APART. the highest court in the land just declared that a major section of Obamacare is illegal. Vote for republicans - we hate washington.

Democratic Ad: when we were passing obamacare, there was one little section regarding subsidies that was slightly ambiguous on paper, but the intent was very clear to everyone. republicans took that ambiguity and exploited it, and somehow a case based off of the ambiguity rose all the way to the supreme court, which is so baldly partisan and terrible that they managed to AGREE with this absurd plaintiff. there's a way to easily amend the law so that everyone can keep their subsidies, but republicans are blocking it because they don't like anything that involves the federal government helping people. vote for democrats - we'll fix this somehow and the republicans are mean! don't you see it? they're evil!

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 22 April 2015 21:15 (nine years ago) link

otm

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 22 April 2015 21:18 (nine years ago) link

i'm inclined to agree on principle but "WE gave you something, THEY took it away" is pretty clear, and also true.

goole, Wednesday, 22 April 2015 21:25 (nine years ago) link

"I used to be able to get insurance coverage for my diabetes. Now I can't." Wring the pathos. Dems are stupid though.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 22 April 2015 21:29 (nine years ago) link

at every stage of the ACA fight I feel like a lot of liberals engaged in very silly silver lining arguments, e.g. "if the ACA gets repealed then we can just pass single payer instead!"

Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 22 April 2015 21:30 (nine years ago) link

"i'm inclined to agree on principle but "WE gave you something, THEY took it away" is pretty clear, and also true."

who is THEY, though? if you've been paying attention, it's the republicans. if you haven't been paying attention, it got taken away because it was illegal.

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 22 April 2015 21:32 (nine years ago) link

um people don't give a shit about whether things are legal

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 22 April 2015 21:33 (nine years ago) link

people give a shit about being able to go to the doctor

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 22 April 2015 21:33 (nine years ago) link

But if you're adducing several decades of Democratic incompetence in paying for effective advertising and inability to respond with pithy wit to GOP accusations, Karl, you're otm.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 22 April 2015 21:34 (nine years ago) link

you can tell people "you don't get to the doctor now, because your subsidies just got taken away", but the first question is "whose fault is this?", and i think the answer to that can be spun more easily by conservatives.

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 22 April 2015 21:41 (nine years ago) link

you can tell people "you don't get to the doctor now, because your subsidies just got taken away",

another question that would come up is "what does 'you don't get to the doctor now' mean? learn to type"

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 22 April 2015 21:42 (nine years ago) link

GOP cut funding to public transportation so you don't get to the doctor now

SCHLITZ MIXED BAG (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 22 April 2015 21:44 (nine years ago) link

lol

and kids who want to be doctors? you're out of luck. GOP refuses to help with student loans so now you don't get to doctor

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 22 April 2015 21:48 (nine years ago) link

everybody w/ a clue knows the US will not embrace the socialism of single payer until the waters rise

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 April 2015 21:49 (nine years ago) link

how many ppl with a clue do you know, dr morbius

brunch technician (silby), Wednesday, 22 April 2015 22:12 (nine years ago) link

do you play mah jongg with them

brunch technician (silby), Wednesday, 22 April 2015 22:12 (nine years ago) link

heh heh Warren goes in: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/22/elizabeth-warren-tpp_n_7120980.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 22 April 2015 22:13 (nine years ago) link

"The government doesn’t want you to read this massive new trade agreement. It’s top secret," Warren said in a statement on her website. "Why? Here’s the real answer people have given me: 'We can’t make this deal public because if the American people saw what was in it, they would be opposed to it.'"

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 22 April 2015 22:39 (nine years ago) link

Warren is certainly on the right side here, but there's a line where populism bleeds over into "what would poll well?"

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 23 April 2015 10:09 (nine years ago) link

Bobby keeps the faith: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/23/opinion/bobby-jindal-im-holding-firm-against-gay-marriage.html?_r=0.

That is what Indiana and Arkansas sought to do. That political leaders in both states quickly cowered amid the shrieks of big business and the radical left should alarm us all.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 23 April 2015 13:30 (nine years ago) link

Kinda amazing that a Republican is spouting phrases like "shrieks of big business" tbh.

I should also be amazed that the contradictions inherent in:

That’s why we should ensure that musicians, caterers, photographers and others should be immune from government coercion on deeply held religious convictions.

The bill does not, as opponents assert, create a right to discriminate against, or generally refuse service to, gay men or lesbians.

...doesn't make his head explode. We refuse to cater your gay wedding, but once your sham marriage is in place we certainly wouldn't dream of refusing service to you in our restaurant.

The job killing and likely illegal (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 23 April 2015 14:34 (nine years ago) link

I'm not in favor of the bill but there's a difference between being forced to participate in an event that goes against your religious beliefs and providing service to someone who believes differently than you. For the former imagine if we forced Christians to photograph Satanic rituals on the principle that they can't discriminate based on faith.

Mordy, Thursday, 23 April 2015 14:38 (nine years ago) link

participate? you're the help, you stay in back

j., Thursday, 23 April 2015 14:39 (nine years ago) link

Musicians and photographers definitely participate. Caterers more iffy imo.

Mordy, Thursday, 23 April 2015 14:42 (nine years ago) link

and failed CEO Fiorini's in.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 April 2015 14:43 (nine years ago) link

i like how jindal keeps repeating 'individuals and businesses'

j., Thursday, 23 April 2015 17:49 (nine years ago) link

vs 'families' for the Dems

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 23 April 2015 18:06 (nine years ago) link

everyone knows families are a right-wing institution

Mordy, Thursday, 23 April 2015 18:23 (nine years ago) link

using it as a political mantra as if everyone is "in one" sure is conservative by instinct

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 23 April 2015 18:38 (nine years ago) link

how'd all the right-wing institutions become so popular while newspapers languish near the bottom of the list? not my insight but someone noted that the academy didn't even make the list.

Mordy, Thursday, 23 April 2015 18:41 (nine years ago) link

or FAMILIES

given the number that get started by accident

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 23 April 2015 18:45 (nine years ago) link

and now gays wanna start them for real

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 April 2015 18:47 (nine years ago) link

I love how flip floppy bobby digital is in his insane quest to run for president.

HAVE YOU SEEN THIS MAN?

“We’ve got to stop being the stupid party. It’s time for a new Republican Party that talks like adults.”
— Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal in the keynote address at the Republican National Committee’s winter meeting in Charlotte yesterday.

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 23 April 2015 19:00 (nine years ago) link

are there people that still believe he can be president? has he officially announced his bid? if it seemed unlikely in 2012, it just seems hilariously impossible in 2016, and yet his name routinely gets thrown into the pool of possible candidates.

Karl Malone, Thursday, 23 April 2015 19:02 (nine years ago) link

I dont think he'd be out there so much in the public trying to champion insane issues like this discrimination bill and muslim 'no go zones' if he wasnt jockeying for a run.. or hes trying to be someones vp? either way hes a fucking dunce.

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 23 April 2015 19:05 (nine years ago) link

i keep thinking that he's actually just the mayor of a small town called Louisiana, in Alabama, and no one has noticed because they're too busy covering his presidential ambition stunts

Karl Malone, Thursday, 23 April 2015 19:16 (nine years ago) link

petraeus gets probation and a fine

all of twitter making the same joek:

https://twitter.com/search?q=petraeus%20speaking&src=typd

goole, Thursday, 23 April 2015 19:35 (nine years ago) link

Pvt Manning shd've changed her name to Petraeus imo

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 23 April 2015 20:18 (nine years ago) link

kiriakou is in jail, they want to give james risen's leaker 20 years

goole, Thursday, 23 April 2015 21:00 (nine years ago) link

Poll isn't surprising given US long-standing tendency of fetishizing the military.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 23 April 2015 21:04 (nine years ago) link

Or self-made millionaires. That's basically the protagonist of every movie out right now.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 23 April 2015 21:07 (nine years ago) link

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0123507

http://i.imgur.com/HLWXDaG.jpg

blue are the democrat members of congress, red the republicans, and the lines are drawn between members of congress who vote in agreement

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 23 April 2015 21:11 (nine years ago) link

hey, don't knock the millionaires. i keep voting for politicians who want to lower taxes on millionaires because that's gonna be me someday really soon, as soon as i get discovered

Karl Malone, Thursday, 23 April 2015 21:12 (nine years ago) link

lmao that the years of greatest 'bipartisan' 'cooperation' were the hated 1970s

cool ass find caek, thx

goole, Thursday, 23 April 2015 21:14 (nine years ago) link

which one is anaphase

j., Thursday, 23 April 2015 21:18 (nine years ago) link

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/steve-king-unveils-radical-court-scheme

King wants to court-strip! lol good luck bro

Hammer Smashed Bagels, Thursday, 23 April 2015 22:29 (nine years ago) link

Milbank's generally a not very incisive writer + Obama apologist so to see him against this = man this must really be a shit deal
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-trans-pacific-partnership-trade-deal-is-an-abomination/2015/04/24/903e5a12-ea85-11e4-aae1-d642717d8afa_story.html

Οὖτις, Friday, 24 April 2015 16:20 (nine years ago) link

altho of course no one knows the details so his objections are broader

Οὖτις, Friday, 24 April 2015 16:23 (nine years ago) link

if Joe Scarborough and "Mika" haven't seen it, it can't be good.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 April 2015 16:30 (nine years ago) link

Ha.

Milbank wants spending on worker training and US infrastructure tied in to the trade deal, and he seems to think Republicans would have accepted that as part of a trade deal. I'm not so sure. Plus he barely mentions Dem Wyden who is crafting the whole bipartisan mess with Republicans

But conservative Politico says there is a separate "assistance" bill regarding workers--

Another key point of concern for undecided Democrats is the inclusion of trade adjustment assistance, a program that provides job retraining benefits to workers displaced by trade deals. Wyden and Ryan agreed to move the fast-track bill simultaneously with the renewal of the assistance program, which has become a prerequisite for Democratic votes on a trade bill.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/04/dems-stuck-between-warren-obama-in-trade-rumble-117211.html#ixzz3YFNqtEhX

curmudgeon, Friday, 24 April 2015 17:05 (nine years ago) link

a program that provides job retraining benefits to workers displaced by trade deals

tbh I don't have a lot of faith in this. What are the requirements for qualifying as a worker "displaced by a trade deal" and what kind of training benefits are they going to provide - subsidies/scholarships for training programs, I assume? but training programs for what? how to be a brogrammer?

Οὖτις, Friday, 24 April 2015 17:06 (nine years ago) link

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/obama-progressives-trade-tpp

obama's excuses here are some weak tea.. im glad to hear hes 'fired up' about something =\

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 24 April 2015 17:36 (nine years ago) link

x-post--drone operator?

curmudgeon, Friday, 24 April 2015 17:37 (nine years ago) link

also this is crazy to me

Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush (R) further distanced himself from foreign policy adviser James Baker on Thursday during a closed-door meeting hosted by the Manhattan Republican Party.

Bush had previously said it was a mistake for Baker, an adviser and former secretary of state, to speak at the left-leaning Israel policy group J Street. In that appearance, Baker criticized Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu over seeming to change his position on a two-state solution.

Jeb having to throw his family's longtime consiglieri under the bus because he spoke to a pro israel lobby that gives money to Dems.

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 24 April 2015 19:16 (nine years ago) link

Baker and Poppa Bush are not remembered well by the Israel lobby though.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 April 2015 19:24 (nine years ago) link

why is that? I can't remember

Οὖτις, Friday, 24 April 2015 19:29 (nine years ago) link

I can't rememember either. I don't see Jeb's action here as being too dramatic. J Street is the much more liberal Israel lobby group that does not back Bibi, so Jeb just wants to reassure right-wing Israel supporters that he does not support even talking to liberal Israel supporters. Then once this calms down, he will talk to Baker again.

curmudgeon, Friday, 24 April 2015 19:36 (nine years ago) link

Baker and Poppy came down hard on Shimon Peres for not being enthusiastic about a two state solution iirc.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 April 2015 19:43 (nine years ago) link

From an article on the Correspondents Dinner thing with the Prez:

The dinner and its preliminaries were telecast live by Fox News, MSNBC and CNN, in addition to C-SPAN. The cable news networks largely put aside breaking news events in Nepal (site of a devastating earthquake) and Baltimore (site of an unruly demonstration against the local police force) to provide live coverage of red-carpet arrivals and the dinner itself.

curmudgeon, Sunday, 26 April 2015 14:13 (nine years ago) link

the prez can tell a joke to his peers, all is fucking right with the world

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 26 April 2015 15:59 (nine years ago) link

When Ms. Feinstein was asked in a meeting with reporters in 2013 why she was so sure she was getting the truth about the drone program while she accused the C.I.A. of lying to her about torture, she seemed surprised.

“That’s a good question, actually,” she said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/26/us/politics/deep-support-in-washington-for-cias-drone-missions.html?&moduleDetail=section-news-3&action=click&contentCollection=Middle%20East®ion=Footer&configSection=article&isLoggedIn=true&module=MoreInSection&pgtype=article

curmudgeon, Sunday, 26 April 2015 17:21 (nine years ago) link

Susan Rice
‏@AmbassadorRice
This Administration believes deeply in the importance of free and independent global media. Will continue to support. #FreethePress

good responses

https://twitter.com/AmbassadorRice/status/592774145970204672

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 00:23 (nine years ago) link

#freethelols

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 00:32 (nine years ago) link

Nation magazine editor's guest editorial in Washington Post

excerpt:

It has come to this. To sell his trade treaty — specifically the fast-track trade authority that would grease the skids for passage of the Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement (TPP), President Obama is mobilizing a coalition anchored by corporate lobbies, the Chamber of Commerce and Republican congressional leadership. He is opposed by the majority of Democratic legislators, the labor movement and a broad array of mainstream environmental, consumer and citizen organizations.

Democrats are stunned by the intensity of the lobbying effort mounted by the administration. Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio), a staunch supporter of the president, noted that Democrats have been “talked to, approached, lobbied and maybe cajoled by more Cabinet members on this issue than any issue since Barack Obama’s been president. That’s just sad. I wish they put the same effort into minimum wage. I wish they put the same effort into Medicare at 55. I wish they put the same effort into some consumer strengthening on Dodd-Frank.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/a-progressives-lament-about-the-trans-pacific-partnership/2015/04/28/6627523e-ed18-11e4-8abc-d6aa3bad79dd_story.html

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 15:13 (nine years ago) link

they know what side their bread is buttered on

Giant Purple Wakerobin (Aimless), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 15:52 (nine years ago) link

we're fighting this ^^ in my office and every meeting people are more taken aback by how hard the full court press is

obama addressed OFA last week with a line like "people are saying i'm turning my back on working families--i've spent my whole career fighting for working families, why would i turn my back on them now?" then his lackeys are turning around saying that opponents to TPP are "living in the past" and aren't ready for the global modern realities of trade.

i think we're gonna win. the pressure is coming down hard now because the japanese prime minister is visiting and japan insists they want progress on congressional approval before they'll move TPP through on their end. this is as intense as the pressure is gonna get, and we expect to lose in the senate, but we think we can hold the house--and if we can hold the house, we win.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 15:53 (nine years ago) link

Another key point of concern for undecided Democrats is the inclusion of trade adjustment assistance, a program that provides job retraining benefits to workers displaced by trade deals. Wyden and Ryan agreed to move the fast-track bill simultaneously with the renewal of the assistance program, which has become a prerequisite for Democratic votes on a trade bill.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/04/dems-stuck-between-warren-obama-in-trade-rumble-117211.html#ixzz3YFNqtEhX

― curmudgeon, Friday, April 24, 2015 5:05 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is a garbage ass bill

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 15:54 (nine years ago) link

like as trade adjustment assistance goes this does nothing new, just continues the status quo, and they're presenting it like a goddamn concession

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 15:55 (nine years ago) link

and what's "job training" – how to run the cash register at Dunkin Donuts?

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 15:57 (nine years ago) link

but we think we can hold the house--and if we can hold the house, we wi

is this because of unified opposition from the Dems + Tea Party isolationist weirdos?

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 15:58 (nine years ago) link

yes

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 16:21 (nine years ago) link

for once I'm glad Boehner can't hold his caucus together I guess

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 16:23 (nine years ago) link

Well that was some total word-salad from Abe.

Orson Wellies (in orbit), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 16:59 (nine years ago) link

pass social security from cradle to grave before you sell us any more 'trade deals', rich people

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 19:01 (nine years ago) link

now now, that's class warfare can't have that

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 19:04 (nine years ago) link

class warfare's only ok when the rich do it do u see

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 19:04 (nine years ago) link

UBI A-OK

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 19:31 (nine years ago) link

Steny Hoyer

The Bryce Harlow Foundation awards dinner, a party thrown by lobbyists as a “celebration within the lobbying community in Washington, D.C.” brings together senior lawmakers and lobbyists for a night of self-congratulation.

At last week’s gala, when Minority Whip Rep. Steny Hoyer, D-Md., the second ranking Democrat in the House, introduced Steve Elmendorf, a lobbyist for Goldman Sachs, Verizon, and other corporate interests, Hoyer was effusive in thanking his hosts. The Politico Influence newsletter quoted Hoyer as saying:

“I’m thankful to all of you for what you do because I think what you do is critically important to what I do and to what our people expect us to do, and that is to understand the issues that confront us and them and make the decisions that help them.”

The event serves as annual opportunity for lawmaker to single out a lobbyist for an award, and vice versa. Elmendorf was the lawmakers’ pick. Lobbyists gave their award to Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Fred Upton, R-Mich.

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 21:34 (nine years ago) link

;_;

brownie, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 21:47 (nine years ago) link

"let's not all start sucking each other's dicks just yet"

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 22:03 (nine years ago) link

hell might have just frozen over

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/nevada-sandoval-republicans-largest-tax-hike-state-history

suck it, norquist

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 16:09 (nine years ago) link

N.D. legislator who voted against gay rights bill caught sending pics on Grindr

“I’m sure I’ve talked to this person before,” Smith remembers thinking to himself, as he told The Washington Post in a telephone interview from his home in Bismarck, N.D. “Suddenly it dawned on me: I think I’ve seen this guy on Grindr!”

Smith started going through his conversations on Grindr — “an all-male location-based social network“— searching for the round, bespectacled face and bushy eyebrows. And there he was: Top Man!, a.k.a. Randy Boehning, the Republican state representative from Fargo . . .

Grindr-gate, however, has plunged Boehning into an existential crisis. Confronted with the photos he had sent Smith, the lawmaker admitted that he was gay. (His Grindr bio reads: “Seems I haven’t found mister right yet, so need to keep looking for and having fun on the way! Hit me up boys.”)

Boehning, 49, also defended sending the younger man a picture of his private parts and pickup lines such as “What’s up tonight sexy?”

I might like you better if we Yelped together (Phil D.), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 16:53 (nine years ago) link

eh I told him to be careful

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 17:03 (nine years ago) link

MENENDEZ U WILD MOTHERFUCKER

http://i.imgur.com/E9377zal.jpg

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 18:16 (nine years ago) link

haha nice gamesmanship

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 18:18 (nine years ago) link

I think the Nevada GOP can minimize the damage if they levy 90% of the new taxes on the lazy poors

xpost

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 19:10 (nine years ago) link

would be kind of cool if there was some new minority trend in the GOP like "We're the party of fiscal responsibility - when did that get to mean no taxes, ever, for anything?" but I'm not holding my breath.

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 23:10 (nine years ago) link

Unions have succeeded in persuading some Republicans not to support Fast Track for the TPP. "For example, reliable allies of GOP leadership like New Jersey Rep. Frank LoBiondo and Ohio Rep. Dave Joyce are unlikely to support the measure because of local union concerns, aides said." Just last week Morning Shift was voicing strong skepticism that organized labor would exert any significant influence over fast track. That judgment may have been, uh, hasty.

http://media.giphy.com/media/W9WSk4tEU1aJW/giphy.gif

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 30 April 2015 14:46 (nine years ago) link

Bohener yanks

jennifer islam (silby), Thursday, 30 April 2015 23:01 (nine years ago) link

Did not enjoy the DNC email with the subject line 'Boehner CRUSHED'

SCHLITZ MIXED BAG (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 1 May 2015 00:02 (nine years ago) link

lel

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 1 May 2015 00:04 (nine years ago) link

Boehner deflated

Οὖτις, Friday, 1 May 2015 01:27 (nine years ago) link

some americans are just so crazy

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/have-obama-hang-himself-death-national-tv

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 4 May 2015 15:39 (nine years ago) link

creator
R. M.
Davenport, FL
April 22, 2015
Signature # 1

goole, Monday, 4 May 2015 15:41 (nine years ago) link

when the fed's call about this it'll be just more socialist government hates our freedoms

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 4 May 2015 16:22 (nine years ago) link

We need to just scrap representative democracy and have everyone vote on the internet.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 4 May 2015 16:23 (nine years ago) link

i'm telling you, if there's a way to vote online, and also a way to make Doritos an official nominee for president of the United States, get ready for President Cheesyfingers

Karl Malone, Monday, 4 May 2015 16:29 (nine years ago) link

that just makes me think of the performance artist who ran for mayor of Vancouver as Mr Peanut

http://artdaily.com/news/14622/The-Mr--Peanut-Mayorality-Campaign-of-1974#.VUegwvlViko

(clips of the debates are really worth watching)

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Monday, 4 May 2015 16:40 (nine years ago) link

i want to know what brand icon i should be costumed as when i run against Schumer

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Monday, 4 May 2015 16:44 (nine years ago) link

With his motto of "elect a nut for mayor," it also captured the public's imagination and, remarkably, Mr. Peanut drew 3.4 per cent of the vote.

i honestly believe that doritos could capture a minimum of 10% of the vote

Karl Malone, Monday, 4 May 2015 16:45 (nine years ago) link

I wonder what it would be like to have this country run by PepsiCo rather than Goldman Sachs.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 4 May 2015 16:50 (nine years ago) link

Delicious, probably.

I might like you better if we Yelped together (Phil D.), Monday, 4 May 2015 16:50 (nine years ago) link

Speed up your internet connection by sharing Doritos status updates with your friends to earn Frito Lay Buxx which can be spent on extra votes in the upcoming Pepsi Presidential Sierra Mist Election Bowl!

Karl Malone, Monday, 4 May 2015 16:54 (nine years ago) link

See, it's only slightly more absurd than the way things currently are.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 4 May 2015 16:56 (nine years ago) link

imagine if things went a little haywire and the supreme court decided it should be legal to officially sell your vote - some PAC would contact you and offer you money to vote a certain way. how much do you think the going rate would be for a single vote in a presidential election?

Karl Malone, Monday, 4 May 2015 16:58 (nine years ago) link

I believe that was almost part of a terrible Kevin Costner movie

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Monday, 4 May 2015 17:03 (nine years ago) link

$200 maybe? this chart suggests much less but that's for a non-presidential year:

http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Blogs/FixGov/2014/11/table2014.png?la=en

Mordy, Monday, 4 May 2015 17:05 (nine years ago) link

also that money goes thru third parties + stuff. just a simple payment per vote would bring costs down probably.

Mordy, Monday, 4 May 2015 17:06 (nine years ago) link

otoh if ppl were just competing to purchase votes, that could drive up the price of individual votes in close races. probably smart to hold onto yr vote until the last week in a real toss-up state. might be able to cash in.

Mordy, Monday, 4 May 2015 17:10 (nine years ago) link

this is what i was thinking of

http://www.slantmagazine.com/film/review/swing-vote

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Monday, 4 May 2015 17:22 (nine years ago) link

Wow, this guy is in the House?!!

http://boingboing.net/2015/05/01/computer-scientistcongressman.html

https://twitter.com/RepTedLieu

Vic Perry, Monday, 4 May 2015 18:28 (nine years ago) link

those internal 'liberty score' ranks on breitbart are something... not sure what to think..

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 4 May 2015 18:38 (nine years ago) link

Breaking: Hillary Clinton Gains Favor, Times/CBS Poll Says

Mordy, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 22:38 (nine years ago) link

looking like she's gonna adopt a lot of leftist/populist talking points, as this is the expedient thing to do to unify her party. seems to me the big question is going to be coattails - can the Dems take back Congress on the back of her presidential campaign - which seems like a big "if" given current gerrymandering of House seats. If that does actually happen there may be a brief window where some decent legislation gets passed, maybe a climate change bill, or an immigration bill. I'm not particularly hopeful though.

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 22:44 (nine years ago) link

Im not gonna believe anything Hillary says in light of the 08 Obama list of promises of which he delivered like 5%

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 5 May 2015 23:15 (nine years ago) link

idk why you have to bring Obama into it, Hillary is plenty untrustworthy on her own

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 23:24 (nine years ago) link

That poll confirms the Beltway chatter of the last three months matters fuck all to voters, as do her chances to ruin those voters.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 5 May 2015 23:26 (nine years ago) link

Normal people do not give the slightest squeeze about who to vote for in 2016 now.

Vic Perry, Wednesday, 6 May 2015 01:12 (nine years ago) link

Hillary is a fucking piece of shit, piss on her and the Fellated War Criminal.

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 6 May 2015 03:46 (nine years ago) link

(that's for Mordy and his highly evolved moral sense)

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 6 May 2015 03:48 (nine years ago) link

u kno what tho i can take it. it seems like yr much more miserable than i am. maybe bc hillary is going to be the next POTUS.

Mordy, Wednesday, 6 May 2015 03:53 (nine years ago) link

perhaps, she'd fit nicely in that gallery of assholes

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 6 May 2015 03:54 (nine years ago) link

yeah looking at the Clintons some more in my dying years will make me even more miserable, get your popcorn.

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 6 May 2015 03:55 (nine years ago) link

but back to Congress:

when does Bibi speak again?

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 6 May 2015 03:57 (nine years ago) link

nice to see the courts starting to do their job re: the Patriot Act and the NSA: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/appeals-court-rules-nsa-record-collection-violates-patriot-act/2015/05/07/c4fabfb8-f4bf-11e4-bcc4-e8141e5eb0c9_story.html

Οὖτις, Thursday, 7 May 2015 15:54 (nine years ago) link

Yes. Not gonna think about possible appeal or Congressional action.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 7 May 2015 18:50 (nine years ago) link

Hersh story have potential to credibly damage anyone? Seems... a bit tinfoil hat.

akm, Monday, 11 May 2015 13:55 (nine years ago) link

A link, sure there's more

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 11 May 2015 14:01 (nine years ago) link

It's nice to see that Matt Bai is still perpetrating the unreadable Beltway brownnosing that was his signature at the NYTimes, so thx Mordy.

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Monday, 11 May 2015 15:25 (nine years ago) link

fyi unreadable does not mean the same thing as "I can't read."

Mordy, Monday, 11 May 2015 15:26 (nine years ago) link

...right to left

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Monday, 11 May 2015 15:40 (nine years ago) link

don't you accuse us of going the other way most of the time?

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 11 May 2015 15:42 (nine years ago) link

holy fuuuuu

http://i.gyazo.com/58fdbf5dac8201cf423a2da5dfb84b22.png

The fate of the bill was further in question when eight pro-trade Senate Democrats emerged from a strategy meeting to declare their opposition to the motion to take up the bill.

“This is a group that is thoroughly committed to getting this bill passed,” declared Senator Ron Wyden of Oregon, the ranking Democrat on the Finance Committee. But he criticized “a lack of a commitment to trade enforcement.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/13/business/senate-vote-obama-fast-track-trade-deal.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:08 (nine years ago) link

did

did wyden just piledrive his tag team partner

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:09 (nine years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/hURWMXb.jpg

You know, I hate Harry Reid, but I'm going to miss him all the same.

pplains, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:13 (nine years ago) link

DELICIOUS IRONING

“If there are senators with concerns about particular details of the trade agenda before us, that’s all the more reason to vote to debate it,” Mr. McConnell said. “Let’s have those conversations in an open and transparent way. But we can’t debate any of the provisions senators want to consider if they vote to filibuster even getting on this bill.”

goole, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:57 (nine years ago) link

wow

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:59 (nine years ago) link

cloture vote failed

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 18:59 (nine years ago) link

two weeks ago this thing was supposed to sail through the senate and we were just fighting to make it a close vote

this is blowing my mind

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 19:00 (nine years ago) link

senator turtleman speaking now really sounding like he's ready to bring this back around asap but we just knocked a leg off this tripod

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 19:01 (nine years ago) link

at least Bam can console himself with the drilling off Alaska he signed off on this week.

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 19:03 (nine years ago) link

on the Trade Adjustment Assistance bill - just curious, but how do they define "workers displaced by trade agreements"?

obviously it's a good idea, but wondering how it works logistically. it's one thing when an auto manufacturer in the U.S. gets bought out by an overseas company, which then shuts down the plant. but what about situations where the connection isn't so obvious?

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 19:03 (nine years ago) link

xpost yeah, it's gonna be a ton of fun when there's a Deepwater Horizon in the Arctic Ocean. i swear our collective memory span is about 14 seconds

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 19:05 (nine years ago) link

social security birth to the earth, or no deal

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 19:07 (nine years ago) link

maybe repeatedly kicking your own party in the balls to get this passed was a bad route to take for our boy barry.. when mitch mcconnell is your ally in getting something passed ur fucked.

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 19:16 (nine years ago) link

bbbut 'bipartisanship'

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 19:19 (nine years ago) link

on the Trade Adjustment Assistance bill - just curious, but how do they define "workers displaced by trade agreements"?

a group of workers have to file a petition and the petition is investigated by DOL to see if trade 'contributed notably' to the layoffs, basically looking for a shift in the company's production to some country where we have a trade deal

that's about 102% of what i know about TAA tbh

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 19:21 (nine years ago) link

this is encouraging!

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 12 May 2015 19:58 (nine years ago) link

incredible

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 20:11 (nine years ago) link

"This is about trying to accomplish something important for the country that happens to be the president’s No. 1 domestic priority,” Mr. McConnell said.

lol how does he say this with a straight blobfishface

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 20:13 (nine years ago) link

very slowly

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 20:16 (nine years ago) link

I like how the implication is that Obama's no. 1 domestic priority is just, y'know totally coincidentally, important for the country

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 20:18 (nine years ago) link

This take on it makes it just sound like a slight delay

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2015_05/fasttrack_sidestepped_by_senat055516.php

Democratic fast-track supporters, including original cosponsor of the TPA bill in question, Ron Wyden, refused to let the bill go because Republicans would not agree to schedule voters on two related bills, one on currency manipulation and another on trade preferences for African countries.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 21:23 (nine years ago) link

Oh Chuck Schumer:

From that NY Times article Hoos posted

But if Democrats successfully force Mr. McConnell to include that currency measure in the trade promotion bill, the negotiations could collapse.

“I’m strongly against it,” said Commerce Secretary Penny Pritzker.

The way forward is likely to be a negotiated package of trade-enforcement amendments that would be guaranteed a vote, Republican leadership aides said. Before talks collapsed Tuesday morning, talks on that amendment had begun, with Senator Chuck Schumer, Democrat of New York, offering to drop the currency measure in exchange for a promised vote later this Congress.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 12 May 2015 21:30 (nine years ago) link

there are so many key people with contradictory requirements to secure their votes, that's whats so great about this

this may just be a delay, granted, but this is gonna give opposition in the house even more to crow about and there's no way the senate takes it up before mid next month

wyden's ppl had been shrugging off currency manipulation all this time and now suddenly he's going "but wait actually this matters," i think he wanted an out

this morning before this came up ppl in wyden's office said "we've been getting a lot of calls about fast track--some for, some against.......but mostly against *nervous laughter*"

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 00:03 (nine years ago) link

alright, pop quiz you political know it alls

http://i.imgur.com/F5tqXdq.jpg

kobold gin gimlet from a goblet with a dragon head on it (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 13 May 2015 16:13 (nine years ago) link

that tom cruise is a looker

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 18:53 (nine years ago) link

Wyden flipflops from yesterday after meeting in the White House

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2015/05/13/senate-reaches-deal-to-move-fast-track-trade-authority/?tid=sm_tw

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and Minority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) announced a plan that allows for a controversial provision that Democrats have been demanding – legislation targeting China’s alleged manipulation of its currency to make its exports cheaper – a separate vote Thursday afternoon. Not a part of the broader trade package, the China currency legislation has been opposed by the Obama administration but favored by many senators from Midwest states hit hard by manufacturing job losses in the last two decades.

This legislation, which also contains other measures for enforcing trade deals, is likely to pass the Senate but its ultimate fate remains in doubt in the House, with a potential presidential veto awaiting it.

...

Led by Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.), the ranking member of the Finance Committee, the group initially wanted a guarantee that the currency language would be signed into law, but they were summoned to the White House “Cabinet Room” after Tuesday’s embarrassing vote left Obama facing a filibuster from his own party. According to those in attendance, the president spoke to the group for two hours and made clear that he wants this trade legislation approved and was willing to accept most of their enforcement measures on trade deals, just not the currency bill.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 19:31 (nine years ago) link

reid said yesterday he wouldn't vote if currency manipulation was stripped out, but word today is he will

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 19:40 (nine years ago) link

Yep. Hopefully Senate vote on fast-track and on separate currency manipulation will at least be close.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 20:36 (nine years ago) link

Does this mean that Fast Track will pass? Not necessarily. If Fast Track gets past the first procedural vote, next up is an open amendment process. Even if Fast Track does ultimately pass the Senate, then it has to get through the House, which could prove even tougher. But today’s events are a reminder that Fast Track is anything but dead. And if it keeps moving forward, Hillary Clinton just may feel compelled one of these days to tell us what she thinks of it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2015/05/13/fast-track-may-not-be-dead-after-all/

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 13 May 2015 20:58 (nine years ago) link

Senator Blowfish speaks:

He insisted that the news media and Democrats had long exaggerated his determination to thwart the White House as a matter of partisan strategy. His often-cited vow to make Mr. Obama “a one-term president,” he explained, was followed by acknowledgment that “the American people would like for us to look for things that we agree on and to make progress.”

“The reason we haven’t done more things together is because we don’t agree on much,” he said. “The president, I believe, is the most left-wing president since Woodrow Wilson, who believed the Founding Fathers kind of got it wrong when they made the Congress as strong as it is.

“The last few years, he didn’t need anything from Congress other than to be left alone,” Mr. McConnell said. “They wanted their regulators to be free to overregulate America.”

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 14 May 2015 12:46 (nine years ago) link

Wilson notoriously even more of a commie than FDR

He has kept us out of war, oh wait

Brad C., Thursday, 14 May 2015 13:14 (nine years ago) link

House Republicans voted Wednesday to chop $260 million from Amtrak’s budget, less than a day after a deadly train crash

curmudgeon, Thursday, 14 May 2015 13:59 (nine years ago) link

Oh no overregulation! That is a serious matter that affects all of my closest personal friends that are corporations!

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:38 (nine years ago) link

you can maybe have your new trade deal when the estate tax is 100% after the first million $$ of inheritance

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 14 May 2015 14:50 (nine years ago) link

really disappointed that i didn't come up with

all about abe
bout abe
no trade bill

during abe's visit

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 14 May 2015 15:30 (nine years ago) link

"Kansans are perfectly capable of improving the Prairie Chicken population through state and local efforts without putting any undue burden on our military or our state and local economies," Rep. Kevin Yoder said Friday.

http://cjonline.com/news/2015-05-15/us-house-takes-steps-remove-lesser-prairie-chicken-threatened-list

reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 17 May 2015 01:26 (nine years ago) link

no conscience necessary

SCHLITZ MIXED BAG (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 18 May 2015 18:41 (nine years ago) link

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2015/05/21/e54c539a-ffbd-11e4-8b6c-0dcce21e223d_story.html?hpid=z1

On a 62 to 38 vote, the push for fast-track authority to secure a sweeping Pacific-rim trade deal secured just enough Democratic support to kep the legislation moving, following a last-ditch lobbying effort by Obama and his top advisers. The fate of legislation, known as Trade Promotion Authority, hung in the balance for more than 30 minutes during the vote, as it remained shy of the 60 votes needed to advance and more than a dozen senators from both parties negotiated over the last details of the legislation and other side issues.

...

The TPA bill is now almost certain to pass the Senate, possibly over the weekend, and then heads for an uncertain fate in the House, where Democratic opposition to Obama’s trade agenda is more deeply ingrained.

[i]After last week’s temporary blockade, 13 Democrats joined with almost every Republican to begin debate on the legislation.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 21 May 2015 15:21 (nine years ago) link

watching that was extraordinary, all these urgent whispering huddles breaking out on the senate floor

mostly over export-import bank stuff which tbh is relatively obscure to me--anybody have a link/thought on that?

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 21 May 2015 15:37 (nine years ago) link

Its confusing to me. Have read various pro and con takes on it.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 21 May 2015 16:05 (nine years ago) link

ex-im bank is a real libertarian v 'big business' hot button issue but i can't really make heads or tails of it tbh. same division exists among dems i suppose but less acutely.

my gen understanding is, it was a gov't sponsored entity to finance (or insure? same diff) 'risky' overseas operations by american firms. but now international trade is so routine, developed and rule-bound it may not be needed. but it's still up and running to... some good or ill effect, fuck, who knows

goole, Thursday, 21 May 2015 16:30 (nine years ago) link

It's a slush fund

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 21 May 2015 16:33 (nine years ago) link

oh, cool

goole, Thursday, 21 May 2015 16:34 (nine years ago) link

seems to be pretty important to boeing, at least

Karl Malone, Thursday, 21 May 2015 16:39 (nine years ago) link

the lawmakers reached a deal on the Export-Import Bank that tipped the scales for Patty Murray (D) and Maria Cantwell (D), senators from Washington state, which relies on the thousands of jobs at Boeing plants that are tied to Export-Import Bank loans.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 21 May 2015 18:17 (nine years ago) link

i keep waiting for george costanza to way in on this

Karl Malone, Thursday, 21 May 2015 18:27 (nine years ago) link

a true architect of trade policy

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 21 May 2015 20:49 (nine years ago) link

to way in

smh at myself

Karl Malone, Thursday, 21 May 2015 20:51 (nine years ago) link

wait how did I miss that Feingold is trying to get back into the Senate?!

Οὖτις, Friday, 22 May 2015 17:44 (nine years ago) link

and Ron Johnson's vulnerable. Feingold's got a good shot.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 22 May 2015 17:45 (nine years ago) link

"We'll be back on Sunday, May 31, one more opportunity to act responsibly to not allow this program to expire," he said around 1:30 a.m. "This is a high-threat period. We know what's going on overseas. We know what's been tried here at home. My colleagues, do we really want this law to expire?"

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/23/politics/senate-nsa-bills-patriot-act/

Temporary extension falls 6 votes short of 60; but alas, ending NSA holding phone data (the House passed bill) also falls 3 votes short of 60.

curmudgeon, Saturday, 23 May 2015 15:11 (nine years ago) link

Kinda sad that 60 votes is the new threshold in the senate. Do they teach this shit in school now or what

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Saturday, 23 May 2015 15:49 (nine years ago) link

new? it's been the norm for the past 7 years

too young for seapunk (Moodles), Saturday, 23 May 2015 15:58 (nine years ago) link

Hence they should be teaching it in school amirite

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Saturday, 23 May 2015 17:57 (nine years ago) link

as GG says, may the Senate stay paralyzed

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-nsa-tracking-program-20150523-story.html#page=1

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Monday, 25 May 2015 08:09 (nine years ago) link

this belongs here:

looks like Hastert's jail-bound
http://www.sfgate.com/news/politics/article/Ex-US-Speaker-Hastert-indicted-on-bank-related-6292720.php

Οὖτις, Thursday, 28 May 2015 22:34 (nine years ago) link

sounds like he was being blackmailed? over what one can only guess

Mr. Hastert, 73, a longtime Republican leader who served as speaker from 1999 until 2007 and now works as a lobbyist in Washington, was providing money to an unnamed person in order to “compensate for and conceal his prior misconduct” against that person, according to a federal indictment issued by the United States attorney for the Northern District of Illinois.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 28 May 2015 22:45 (nine years ago) link

sounds like hush money IMO, but it's a fine line

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 28 May 2015 23:44 (nine years ago) link

Washington Post re it:

The indictment did not spell out the exact nature of the “prior misconduct” by Hastert, but it noted that before entering state and federal politics in 1981, Has­tert served for more than a decade as a teacher and wrestling coach at Yorkville High School in Illinois.

In 2010, confronted about the “prior misconduct,” the former speaker agreed to pay $3.5 million to the person “to compensate for and conceal his prior misconduct against Individual A,” prosecutors alleged.

That person, whose identity was shielded by prosecutors, has known Hastert most of his or her life, growing up in Yorkville, the city next to Hastert’s home town of Plano, in the exurbs west of Chicago. Prosecutors said the actions “occurred years earlier” than the 2010 meeting that sparked the payments.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/former-house-speaker-dennis-hastert-indicted-over-alleged-secret-payments/2015/05/29/dad237be-05f7-11e5-a428-c984eb077d4e_story.html?hpid=z1

curmudgeon, Friday, 29 May 2015 14:06 (nine years ago) link

Sounds creepy

curmudgeon, Friday, 29 May 2015 14:07 (nine years ago) link

From some Fox site:

Hastert isn't the only recent House speaker to face ethics troubles. Former House Speaker Jim Wright, D-Texas, resigned under a cloud of conflict in 1989 after a very short speakership. Wright, who died May 6, was investigated by the House Ethics Committee over speaking fees and purchases of his book, becoming the first speaker to resign due to a scandal.

Yeah, close to 30 years ago is not really recent, but good point, he was a democrat. Bipartisan!

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 29 May 2015 14:51 (nine years ago) link

the man leading the insurgence against Wright? Newt Gingrich.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 29 May 2015 15:23 (nine years ago) link

Aha!

Indicted former House Speaker Dennis Hastert was paying an individual from his past to conceal sexual misconduct, two federal law enforcement officials said Friday.

One of the officials, who would not speak publicly about the federal charges in Chicago, said “Individual A,” as the person is described in Thursday’s federal indictment, was a man and that the alleged misconduct was unrelated to Hastert’s tenure in Congress. The actions date to Hastert’s time as a Yorkville, Ill., high school wrestling coach and teacher, the official said.

“It goes back a long way, back to then,” the source said. “It has nothing to do with public corruption or a corruption scandal. Or to his time in office.” Thursday’s indictment described the misconduct “against Individual A” as having “occurred years earlier.”

Asked why Hastert was making the payments, the official said it was to conceal Hastert’s past relationship with the male. “It was sex,’’ the source said. The other official confirmed that the misconduct involved sexual abuse.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 29 May 2015 19:05 (nine years ago) link

i remember the wrestling factoid, and as with all gray Repugs, this possibility crossed my mind.

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Friday, 29 May 2015 19:08 (nine years ago) link

I assumed it was this or a lovechild tbh

Οὖτις, Friday, 29 May 2015 19:10 (nine years ago) link

I saw the love child speculation but then I got another look at his photo.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 29 May 2015 19:18 (nine years ago) link

haha

man was there *anybody* on the GOP "impeach Clinton" team that wasn't hiding some sex scandal of their own?

Οὖτις, Friday, 29 May 2015 19:24 (nine years ago) link

everyone gets into politics (or wrestling) for the tail.

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Friday, 29 May 2015 19:26 (nine years ago) link

even Barbara Mikulski?

Οὖτις, Friday, 29 May 2015 19:27 (nine years ago) link

man was there *anybody* on the GOP "impeach Clinton" team that wasn't hiding some sex scandal of their own?

― Οὖτις, Friday, May 29, 2015 3:24 PM

even Hillary was a secret lesbian

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 29 May 2015 19:30 (nine years ago) link

so how is this not blackmail anyway

Οὖτις, Friday, 29 May 2015 19:38 (nine years ago) link

i know i shdnt be shocked but this is honestly kind of shocking wow

lag∞n, Friday, 29 May 2015 19:40 (nine years ago) link

I'm kinda shocked that this is some decades-spanning shit

Οὖτις, Friday, 29 May 2015 19:41 (nine years ago) link

huge amounts of money too

lag∞n, Friday, 29 May 2015 19:42 (nine years ago) link

is he running for president yet

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 29 May 2015 19:43 (nine years ago) link

wow that CSPAN call I wonder if Denny started shitting bricks right there

Οὖτις, Friday, 29 May 2015 19:43 (nine years ago) link

all Coach "Handsy" Hastert talk goes here!

would be surprised if there's just one victim tbh. these types of dudes are never one-and-done.

Οὖτις, Friday, 29 May 2015 20:54 (nine years ago) link

yeah already talk of another one

lag∞n, Friday, 29 May 2015 20:55 (nine years ago) link

I'm constantly amazed at the kind of memory people have for this kind of weird shit:

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/243418-dennis-hastert's-weird-2014-CSPAN-call

I wouldn't have thought twice about that call; and it might wind up being unrelated; but that it even stuck in someone's head long enough for cspan to have created a page for it and for people to bring it up now is ... i don't know how much time people have to obsess on this kind of ephemera.

― akm, Friday, May 29, 2015 8:51 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

also that caller sounds kind of young to have been abused by Hastert in the 60's but maybe he's turned into some kind of man-child, like a Chuck and Buck thing.

― akm, Friday, May 29, 2015 8:52 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Denny and Benny

― akm, Friday, May 29, 2015 8:53 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'll stop now.

akm, Friday, 29 May 2015 20:56 (nine years ago) link

well, look at those strapping Midwestern grapplers. i don't think Plato wd've done any different. xp

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Friday, 29 May 2015 20:58 (nine years ago) link

sorry for posting abt this on the presidential candidate thread.

he quipped with heat (amateurist), Friday, 29 May 2015 21:13 (nine years ago) link

there was a drivers ed teacher from my school who ended up going to prison after teaching for 25 years and every single girl at school was like that guy is creepy and up to no good

I'm sure we all have stories like this

Οὖτις, Friday, 29 May 2015 21:14 (nine years ago) link

soccer coach "started" dating a girl from the team right after she graduated

lag∞n, Friday, 29 May 2015 21:15 (nine years ago) link

mine got caught, fled the state, was lured back by the victim, arrested and sent to trial, convicted and sent to prison, got out and ... got a teaching post in the midwest

Οὖτις, Friday, 29 May 2015 21:21 (nine years ago) link

where I think he still is to this day, haven't checked in awhile

Οὖτις, Friday, 29 May 2015 21:21 (nine years ago) link

what how is that possible

lag∞n, Friday, 29 May 2015 21:23 (nine years ago) link

yup here he is (hmm no mention of it in his CV, how odd):
http://www.nwc.edu/sites/music/faculty-staff/person.html?id=6d76bd1a-5da9-4020-affe-84913e9d2c41

stay away, young ladies!

Οὖτις, Friday, 29 May 2015 21:23 (nine years ago) link

I can only assume that a) WY has extremely lax laws in this regard and b) since he's working with people who are over 18 somehow it's all... okay?

Οὖτις, Friday, 29 May 2015 21:26 (nine years ago) link

WY is not the midwest FWIW

he quipped with heat (amateurist), Friday, 29 May 2015 21:32 (nine years ago) link

oh fine

Οὖτις, Friday, 29 May 2015 21:33 (nine years ago) link

that guy looks like a fucking creep also SAX

akm, Friday, 29 May 2015 21:52 (nine years ago) link

no one (including my dad, who was on the teaching staff with him) was surprised when he got arrested - rumors and malicious jokes had swirled around him for years, female classmates would joke about not wanting to be left alone w him etc.

Οὖτις, Friday, 29 May 2015 21:55 (nine years ago) link

which is how it usually is with these things, kids tell other kids and stuff becomes kind of an open secret

Οὖτις, Friday, 29 May 2015 21:56 (nine years ago) link

the morality teacher at my catholic high school got busted banging a student. he told her to get an abortion.

he was also married to a v attractive lady and had a baby. what a moran.

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 29 May 2015 22:39 (nine years ago) link

My neighbor got arrested and served some time for having a sexual encounter with one of his 16 year old students. I've seen his ex-wife at the post office and the deli.

tokyo rosemary, Saturday, 30 May 2015 02:19 (nine years ago) link

kind of weird to see woody allen apologist shakey mo going in on this teacher

een, Sunday, 31 May 2015 04:03 (nine years ago) link

xp an indictment of dude's sax skills

Mr. Murphy in the wine bar. (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 31 May 2015 17:08 (nine years ago) link

I am not an apologist wtf

Οὖτις, Sunday, 31 May 2015 17:14 (nine years ago) link

Sax teacher was convicted of a crime, looks like hastert will be too (also paying hush money is p much an admission of guilt)

Οὖτις, Sunday, 31 May 2015 17:15 (nine years ago) link

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/31/us/shaken-by-charges-for-denny.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=second-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

“That was the thing about him,” said Marty Kermeen, 58, who makes stone labyrinths. “It wasn’t like Jon Bon Jovi rolled up."

jennifer islam (silby), Sunday, 31 May 2015 17:27 (nine years ago) link

I am not an apologist wtf

een counted the number of stabs you delivered and carefully gauged the vigor of your blows, and found both to fall short of the required standard of enthusiasm, so... you're next.

Aimless, Sunday, 31 May 2015 17:54 (nine years ago) link

Hilarious that its gonna be a gop congress that guts the patriot act. Incredible.

Οὖτις, Sunday, 31 May 2015 23:39 (nine years ago) link

But will NSA and McConnell get some of what they want in 2 days, even if the Senate approves the House version (where private phone companies are expected to maintain the data for the NSA)?

curmudgeon, Monday, 1 June 2015 11:55 (nine years ago) link

looks mostly like rearranging the furniture in sum

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Monday, 1 June 2015 12:15 (nine years ago) link

yup

there's no way the spy agencies just stop, even if they couldn't stretch the interpretation of any law to their ends.

he quipped with heat (amateurist), Monday, 1 June 2015 12:32 (nine years ago) link

for that reason i tend to think of the entire surveillance apparatus as essentially treasonous

he quipped with heat (amateurist), Monday, 1 June 2015 12:33 (nine years ago) link

Pretty sure there is a lot of money in gathering and collecting this information, not just on the NSA side but for the content providers as well. We'll be subsidizing some form of Verizon's customer database for permanent from now on.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 1 June 2015 15:54 (nine years ago) link

no kidding.. thats the whole thrust of the new Hooray Freedom Act(tm). basically outsource the data hosting to third parties who will charge a hefty fucking fee for the privilege. and the metadata (lol yeah right only that) of every call in the world is probably quite a bit of data to store..

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 1 June 2015 17:09 (nine years ago) link

i feel like if the US gov ever tried to use NSA data to blackmail a US activist, and said activist told the NYT, that would be a huge story - even w/ prolific data collection, isn't a free press always the best bulwark against the abuse of that information?

Mordy, Monday, 1 June 2015 17:18 (nine years ago) link

it's way more likely that the story would appear in The Guardian first

DJP, Monday, 1 June 2015 17:26 (nine years ago) link

Mordy's friend Greenwald would write it.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 1 June 2015 17:28 (nine years ago) link

wherever, the west doesn't lack for media who would love to run that kind of blockbuster story.

Mordy, Monday, 1 June 2015 17:30 (nine years ago) link

Dem advisor Greenberg on trying to win back white, working class voters. He's done his surveys and is sure he knows the answer. Sorta

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/junejulyaugust_2015/features/the_average_joes_proviso055824.php?page=all

Yet they are only ready to listen when they think that Democrats understand their deeply held belief that politics has been corrupted and government has failed. Championing reform of government and the political process is the price of admission with these voters. These white working-class and downscale voters are acutely conscious of the growing role of big money in politics and of a government that works for the 1 percent, not them.

It is possible that their cynicism about government is grounded in a fundamental individualism and long-standing American skepticism about intrusive government. And it also may be rooted in a race-conscious aversion to government spending that they believe fosters dependency and idleness—the principal critique of today’s conservative Republicans. If that is the prevailing dynamic, no appeal, no matter how compelling, would bring increased support for government activism.

Yet the white working-class and downscale voters in our surveys do support major parts of a progressive, activist agenda, particularly when a Democratic candidate boldly attacks the role of money and special interests dominating government and aggressively promotes reforms to ensure that average citizens get both their say and their money’s worth. These findings came out of innovative research conducted in partnership with Page Gardner’s Women’s Voices Women Vote Action Fund and David Donnelly’s Every Voice.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 15:16 (nine years ago) link

Occupy didn't accomplish much but I am glad that "1%" meme has become so thoroughly ingrained in political discourse

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 15:18 (nine years ago) link

so the House bill passed - aside from the declassification of certain court decisions I'm unclear about which NSA powers have been rescinded. Are the NSA required to go to court to get records now, is that the deal? Seems like a good thing.

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 22:00 (nine years ago) link

or at least better than how it was

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 22:00 (nine years ago) link

It's on the telecom companies now, not the NSA.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 22:00 (nine years ago) link

well telecom companies can't have me murdered without a trial so that seems like a net win

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 22:02 (nine years ago) link

but they will surely hand over their records, right?

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 22:03 (nine years ago) link

I'm sure they will, but having an extra layer of judicial review can't be a bad thing

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 22:04 (nine years ago) link

will it go to that court that approves 99.8% of requests?

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 22:05 (nine years ago) link

‏@RepPeteKing
Today's Senate NSA vote is a victory for America, for freedom over ignorance and defeat for ISIS, Edward Snowden & Rand Paul

McConnell: USA Freedom Act is "a resounding victory for those who are currently plotting against our homeland."

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 22:09 (nine years ago) link

will it go to that court that approves 99.8% of requests?

I assume so, but if that court's decisions are now public then that means pressure can be applied, rulings can be contested(?) etc.

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 22:11 (nine years ago) link

Freedom of the Press Foundation:

While the bill has many significant flaws, the USA Freedom Act vote is also historic: it’s the first time since the 1970s that Congress has indicated its intention to restrict the vast powers of intelligence agencies like the NSA, rather than exponentially expand them. It also shows the power that investigative journalism and brave whistleblowing can have on even the most entrenched government interests. Two years ago, debating these modest changes would’ve been unthinkable, and it is absolutely a vindication for Edward Snowden.

Unfortunately, the bill is also woefully inadequate and largely symbolic, and Congress would’ve been better off letting Section 215 of the Patriot Act expire permanently. The USA Freedom Act supposedly bans bulk collection of phone records or any other private records, and we certainly hope it actually does. But its provisions are vague and confusing, leading many legal experts to believe they could be re-interpreted in secret—by NSA lawyers with a history of warping the common definitions of ordinary words beyond recognition—and could lead the FISA court to continue to allow the NSA to collect large quantities of Americans’ data in secret. (The administration will shamefully now re-start the phone program that expired on Monday for six months, as allowed under the new law's "transition" period.)

The ultra-secret FISA court, a Kafkaesque nightmare for civil liberties, also gets to keep many of its worst features, with just minor changes around the edges. Such an anathema to democracy should be dismantled entirely.

https://freedom.press/blog/2015/06/our-statement-congress-passing-usa-freedom-act-nsa-reform-bill

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 22:14 (nine years ago) link

But its provisions are vague and confusing, leading many legal experts to believe they could be re-interpreted in secret—by NSA lawyers with a history of warping the common definitions of ordinary words beyond recognition—and could lead the FISA court to continue to allow the NSA to collect large quantities of Americans’ data in secret.

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/John-Yoo.jpg

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 22:18 (nine years ago) link

ahhh that chump

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 22:19 (nine years ago) link

Unfortunately, the bill is also woefully inadequate and largely symbolic, and Congress would’ve been better off letting Section 215 of the Patriot Act expire permanently. The USA Freedom Act supposedly bans bulk collection of phone records or any other private records, and we certainly hope it actually does. But its provisions are vague and confusing, leading many legal experts to believe they could be re-interpreted in secret—by NSA lawyers with a history of warping the common definitions of ordinary words beyond recognition—and could lead the FISA court to continue to allow the NSA to collect large quantities of Americans’ data in secret.

this is classic "good as the enemy of perfect" and while there is basis for their concerns it seems like the more successful rhetorical tack to take would be to build on this bill's passage and the forces behind it to ensure that the concerns enumerated do not come to pass

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 22:21 (nine years ago) link

That's how I regard it.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 22:26 (nine years ago) link

But its provisions are vague and confusing, leading many legal experts to believe they could be re-interpreted in secret—by NSA lawyers with a history of warping the common definitions of ordinary words beyond recognition—and could lead the FISA court to continue to allow the NSA to collect large quantities of Americans’ data in secret.

i assume this is what will happen, but at least now if they are found out (thanks to some snowden jr.?) it will be clearer that they are going against the spirit of a bill passed by congress.

he quipped with heat (amateurist), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 22:39 (nine years ago) link

that's not a lot to be thankful for, though. but until more people in this country get mad about this stuff and actually vote out their politicians for this issue we're not going to see much changing. c'est la vie...

he quipped with heat (amateurist), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 22:40 (nine years ago) link

not to be a total downer cynic but oliver north was going against the spirit and letter of a bill passed by congress, and somehow became a national hero.

Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 22:42 (nine years ago) link

to be fair, he's a hero to a minority of folks. most people know him as a criminal.

he quipped with heat (amateurist), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 22:42 (nine years ago) link

i mean sgt. calley was a hero to some, also.

he quipped with heat (amateurist), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 22:43 (nine years ago) link

but he never meant shit to me, etc.

he quipped with heat (amateurist), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 22:45 (nine years ago) link

most people know him as a criminal.

most people know him as that guy with shows on the history channel, I expect

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 22:52 (nine years ago) link

what show is that? "great traitors in history"?

he quipped with heat (amateurist), Tuesday, 2 June 2015 22:56 (nine years ago) link

oh I guess it's on Fox

"War Stories with Oliver North"

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 23:00 (nine years ago) link

the "Fox Business Network" to be precise

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 23:01 (nine years ago) link

i'm skeptical because i assume that requests to spy on americans will continue to disappear into the FISA black box, because there are neverending methods to be kafkaesque, but have to admit this warms my heart and encourages me that it's a step in the right direction

McConnell: USA Freedom Act is "a resounding victory for those who are currently plotting against our homeland."

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 23:36 (nine years ago) link

i hate a lot of politicians, but he's one of the select few where my brain just automatically replaces certain words with their opposite and it always makes more sense

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 23:37 (nine years ago) link

trust me, i was there, and there was considerable "populist love" for North right after his testimony

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 03:57 (nine years ago) link

and yes i'm sure Prez Hil and/or Walker/Jeb and the Republican Congress will dismantle the security state, hope i live to see it

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 June 2015 03:59 (nine years ago) link

that didn't take long

Denny is so going to jail

Οὖτις, Friday, 5 June 2015 15:48 (nine years ago) link

ugh

the tide is shifting on fast track--they're trying to put it to a vote friday.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 18:23 (nine years ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHKX8L1UkAAHA0x.jpg

polyphonic, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 19:28 (nine years ago) link

wow that image was a lot bigger than I thought!

polyphonic, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 19:29 (nine years ago) link

beware men with cherub's curls

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 19:34 (nine years ago) link

so mooching is the biggest scandal we got on him, eh

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 19:37 (nine years ago) link

Diane Rehm: Senator, you have dual citizenship with Israel.

Bernie Sanders: Well, no I do not have dual citizenship with Israel. I'm an American. I don't know where that question came from. I am an American citizen, and I have visited Israel on a couple of occasions. No, I'm an American citizen, period.

[Diane] Rehm: I understand from a list we have gotten that you were on that list.

Sanders: No.

Rehm: Forgive me if that is—

Sanders: That's some of the nonsense that goes on in the internet. But that is absolutely not true.

Rehm: Interesting. Are there members of Congress who do have dual citizenship or is that part of the fable?

Sanders: I honestly don't know but I have read that on the internet. You know, my dad came to this country from Poland at the age of 17 without a nickel in his pocket. He loved this country. I am, you know, I got offended a little bit by that comment, and I know it's been on the internet. I am obviously an American citizen and I do not have any dual citizenship.

Mordy, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 19:41 (nine years ago) link

npr apparently has a "list."

Mordy, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 19:41 (nine years ago) link

and it never will be missed

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 19:46 (nine years ago) link

is this npr being dense or is this a scoop of some sort Im confused

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 19:48 (nine years ago) link

jewish journal thinks this is the list in question so You Decide

http://www.jewishjournal.com/images/bloggers/diane.jpg

Mordy, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 19:51 (nine years ago) link

wow, so many dual citizenships, must be credible

too young for seapunk (Moodles), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 19:55 (nine years ago) link

since Schumer has/will have infinitely more power than Sanders, this was a curious time to bring up an old list (w/ JoeMentum and Barney Crank on it).

p sure Jerry Nadler is not a Likudnik

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 19:57 (nine years ago) link

"a curious time to bring up an old list," surely the age of the list is not the most notably curious aspect of bringing it up. shush, morbz.

Mordy, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 19:57 (nine years ago) link

"it's not even up to date! some of these dual loyalty rothchildians aren't even in office anymore!"

Mordy, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 19:58 (nine years ago) link

so that list is basically just JEWS right?

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 19:59 (nine years ago) link

yes mord, i agree, the fustiness of it just adds to the weirdness

i chuckle at whatever scurrilous horseshit gets thrown at Schmucko and his departed protege the Schwanz, however

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 20:03 (nine years ago) link

NPR just trying to get a teeny bit more fed funding by proving to President Nixon they are not run by Jews, 45 years late.

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 20:04 (nine years ago) link

so that list is basically just JEWS right?

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, June 10, 2015 2:59 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah it seems to be almost every jew in congress. so NPR basically asked sanders a question based on a "list" put together by some anti-semite crazies?

he quipped with heat (amateurist), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 20:16 (nine years ago) link

i have an old list by some guy named mccarthy they might want to run by the candidates, too.

he quipped with heat (amateurist), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 20:17 (nine years ago) link

fair and balanced public radio, embracing old-school capitalist traits (at the behest of Ira Glass, oh the irony)

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 20:18 (nine years ago) link

well, that was an incoherent post

he quipped with heat (amateurist), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 20:25 (nine years ago) link

fwiw rehm has already come out on the "clearly this is false, i'm **glad** i could help put this **rumor** to **rest**" front

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 11 June 2015 03:46 (nine years ago) link

"i'm gley-ahhhd i could heyyulp put this roomher to rayust"

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 11 June 2015 03:46 (nine years ago) link

Now, now, Rehm has a health condition that makes her speak like that. But yea, she never researches that well, and has now apologized for this line of questioning saying she "read it on Facebook."

curmudgeon, Thursday, 11 June 2015 13:01 (nine years ago) link

House votes Friday on Trade Promotion Authority

A piece on the business front of this morning’s New York Times runs down some of the language being inserted into the bill to get Republican votes, including anti-immigration language from Iowa Rep. Steve King. A Huffington Post item getting circulated widely among progressives says that the customs enforcement bill being voted on Friday includes language that would excuse the U.S. from any trade deal obligations to address climate change. Unions are threatening to back primary challengers against members who cross them on this vote, and they’re running ads in swing districts on the issue. These stories make it harder to sell the base on the necessity of siding with the president.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 11 June 2015 13:02 (nine years ago) link

Now, now, Rehm has a health condition that makes her speak like that.

! is that so, i had no idea

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 11 June 2015 15:40 (nine years ago) link

yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees

http://obamatrade.com/

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 11 June 2015 15:46 (nine years ago) link

cmooooooon wingnuts lets go

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 11 June 2015 15:46 (nine years ago) link

Trump is always so angry

Οὖτις, Thursday, 11 June 2015 15:46 (nine years ago) link

ugh god having actually looked at that site i feel gross now

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 11 June 2015 15:48 (nine years ago) link

Trump rubbed his sweaty forehead all over you

Οὖτις, Thursday, 11 June 2015 15:49 (nine years ago) link

From Wikipedia: Rehm suffers from spasmodic dysphonia, a neurological condition that affects the quality of her voice.

Aimless, Thursday, 11 June 2015 16:23 (nine years ago) link

oof

sorry Karl :(

Οὖτις, Thursday, 11 June 2015 22:17 (nine years ago) link

yeah no doubt, what a horrible thing

happened a couple days ago but with each followup it just gets worse

goole, Thursday, 11 June 2015 22:18 (nine years ago) link

what's funny is that everything I've learned from this has come from the media and/or my union

legendary wireless executive (Karl Malone), Thursday, 11 June 2015 22:23 (nine years ago) link

learned about this, i mean.

legendary wireless executive (Karl Malone), Thursday, 11 June 2015 22:24 (nine years ago) link

The letter will come in the mail weeks from now. Just the paper and postage for those millions of letters will be substantial.

Aimless, Thursday, 11 June 2015 23:10 (nine years ago) link

this is p gross as a stunt: http://news.yahoo.com/capitol-hill-buzz-gop-sen-graham-offers-abortion-180104514--election.html

Οὖτις, Thursday, 11 June 2015 23:46 (nine years ago) link

lol url a little misleading there

Οὖτις, Thursday, 11 June 2015 23:47 (nine years ago) link

man he really wants to be in the top ten so he can debate i guess

legendary wireless executive (Karl Malone), Thursday, 11 June 2015 23:50 (nine years ago) link

there's no way he gets through this without getting outed, right? I mean, that's the logical endpoint I sorta wonder if that's his secret/unconscious goal

Οὖτις, Thursday, 11 June 2015 23:52 (nine years ago) link

Shakey, you wanted more evidence of Scott Walker's malfeasance?

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/scott-walker-wisconsin-removing-tenure-law

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 12 June 2015 13:33 (nine years ago) link

hey guys

have you called your congress lizards to tell them to vote against fast track yet?

the vote is today

O is so desperate he's at the capitol RIGHT NOW briefing the caucus

call if you can

https://www.stopfasttrack.com/

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 12 June 2015 14:36 (nine years ago) link

hoos is anyone keeping a record of who has indicated that they're voting yes?

Mordy, Friday, 12 June 2015 14:43 (nine years ago) link

yeah one sec

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 12 June 2015 15:03 (nine years ago) link

all my lists are outdated at this point but the undecideds are pretty slim in the house rn, i'm trying to find a list i saw The Hill update with this morning

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 12 June 2015 15:05 (nine years ago) link

we've got the right number of GOP with us, these are the publicly undecided Dems

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Rep. Alma Adams (N.C.)

Rep. Karen Bass (Calif.)

Rep. Joyce Beatty (Ohio)

Rep. Julia Brownley (Calif.)

Rep. Kathy Castor (Fla.) — Castor backed trio of trade deals with South Korea, Panama and Colombia in 2011.

Rep. Joaquin Castro (Texas) — Some have speculated Castro could be Hillary Clinton's running mate in 2016.

Rep. James Clyburn (S.C.) — Clyburn is the No. 3-ranked House Democrat and influential lawmaker in the Congressional Black Caucus.

Rep. Steve Cohen (Tenn.)

Rep. Jim Cooper (Tenn.) — Cooper signed a letter offering support for fast-track but has yet to endorse the deal.

Rep. Jim Costa (Calif.) — “If the Senate votes out a package this week, I hope we’ll have an opportunity to look at that, and, yes, I would like to be in a position to vote for it,” he told Politico in an interview in May, but has since expressed reservations.

Rep. Susan Davis (Calif.) — Voted for fast-track in 2002.

Rep. Anna Eshoo (Calif.) — Ally of House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) who backed two of the three trade deals in 2011.

Rep. Bill Foster (Ill.)

Rep. Al Green (Texas)

Rep. Rubén Hinojosa (Texas) — Voted for fast-track in 2002 and supported two of the three trade deals passed in 2011.

Rep. Steny Hoyer (Md.) — "I've not yet made a decision on what I'm going to do. There's still a bit of time to go and developments to occur," the House minority whip told Politico. Hoyer backed all three trade deals in 2011, but opposed fast-track in 2002.

Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (Texas)

Rep. Robin Kelly (Ill.)

Rep. Zoe Lofgren (Calif.) — Lofgren told The Hill she is “still looking at” the emerging TPP agreement. “It's so secret that I have not yet been able to read it all. You go down to the basement, it's only opened occasionally,” she said. “So it takes a long time. I mean, I went through a quarter of a section and it took me two hours. And so I'm not going to vote for something I haven't read. … If I can't read it, I can't vote for it. But I'm trying to get it read."

Rep. Doris Matsui (Calif.) — Key swing vote on fast-track. The congresswoman's late husband, Rep. Bob Matsui (D-Calif.), backed some trade deals.

Rep. Seth Moulton (Mass.) — Every other member of the Massachusetts congressional delegation is against fast-track. Moulton defeated then-Rep. John Tierney (D-Mass.) in the primary last year.

Rep. Beto O’Rourke (Texas) — Obama wants his vote. The president was recently interviewed on trade in O'Rourke's district. Meanwhile, anti-fast-track activists have also targeted O'Rourke.

Rep. Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) — The House minority leader not taken a public position though some of her close allies are firmly against fast-track. She said that Republicans need to come up with 200 votes for fast-track.

Rep. Ed Perlmutter (Colo.)

Rep. Scott Peters (Calif.) — Labor groups threatened to spend $1 million against Peters’ reelection bid if the swing-district Democrat votes for the trade bill, Politico reported. Peters is a top GOP target in 2016.

Rep. Collin Peterson (Minn.) — Centrist Democrat backed two of the three trade deals in 2011.

Rep. David Price (N.C.) — "I'm genuinely conflicted," Price told The Hill. Obama has reached out to Price.

Rep. Terri Sewell (Ala.) — Supported two of the three trade deals in 2011. Sewell is seeking provisions to protect steel workers.

Rep. Kyrsten Sinema (Ariz.)

Rep. Marc Veasey (Texas)

Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (Fla.) — DNC chairwoman voted for all three 2011 trade deals.

Rep. Maxine Waters (Calif.)

Rep. Frederica Wilson (Fla.)

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 12 June 2015 15:08 (nine years ago) link

wow just overheard that in a meeting with house dem caucus this morning Obama says "if you get primary challenged over this, i'm coming to your district to campaign for you"

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 12 June 2015 15:09 (nine years ago) link

thx, figured my rep (fattah) would be a 'no,' but wanted to double check

Mordy, Friday, 12 June 2015 15:10 (nine years ago) link

maybe i'm misreading the temp of this thing but i can't imagine anyone getting primaried over it

Mordy, Friday, 12 June 2015 15:11 (nine years ago) link

diff members already being threatened by moveon, sierra club, blue green alliance--ami bera, jared polis, moveon even giving wyden side eye with big ad buys

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 12 June 2015 15:15 (nine years ago) link

The White House, recognizing the precarious position the package is in, dispatched top officials to Capitol Hill Thursday to meet with Democrats, and Obama himself made a surprise appearance at Thursday night's annual congressional baseball game. Arriving as Democratic and Republican lawmakers faced off at Nationals Park, Obama was greeted with chants of "TPA! TPA!" from the GOP side — the acronym for the Trade Promotion Authority fast track bill.

legendary wireless executive (Karl Malone), Friday, 12 June 2015 15:19 (nine years ago) link

someone find that footage and play it in slow motion

legendary wireless executive (Karl Malone), Friday, 12 June 2015 15:20 (nine years ago) link

Mr. Obama has rarely employed the kind of face-to-face lobbying and arm-twisting of lawmakers that previous presidents have found to be effective. But the fight for authority to negotiate new trade deals has been different, with Mr. Obama repeatedly urging lawmakers in both parties to support him.

lol imagine if he had this much get-up-and-go during the rest of his administration

Mordy, Friday, 12 June 2015 15:21 (nine years ago) link

I expect Pelosi isn't gonna break with Obama if she doesn't have to, but I'm encouraged by the fact that she's not whipping the caucus up for a yea vote

xp

Οὖτις, Friday, 12 June 2015 15:21 (nine years ago) link

honestly I dunno why O thinks this is so important

Οὖτις, Friday, 12 June 2015 15:22 (nine years ago) link

keep the cash comin' for the ppl building his library

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Friday, 12 June 2015 15:24 (nine years ago) link

xpost
some people on digby and elsewhere have been speculating that it has to do with helping the U.S. military maintain control of the Strait of Malacca (world's third biggest shipping lane), but who knows

legendary wireless executive (Karl Malone), Friday, 12 June 2015 15:30 (nine years ago) link

i think the president has a much higher opinion of his negotiating skills than others, maybe he's thrilled about what the US is getting out of TPP? also, i think he has a higher opinion about how well he represents the interests of the 'common man,' than maybe most working class ppl.

Mordy, Friday, 12 June 2015 15:31 (nine years ago) link

feel free to tear this apart, but this is the strait of malacca thing i was referencing:

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2015/05/more-than-meets-eye-by-bloggersrus.html

legendary wireless executive (Karl Malone), Friday, 12 June 2015 15:35 (nine years ago) link

huh interesting

Οὖτις, Friday, 12 June 2015 15:39 (nine years ago) link

It’s a bottleneck, a chokepoint, and if Malaysia is “driven into the arms of China” then China can close those Straits to shipping how, when, and as they please.

this seems awfully presumptuous

Mordy, Friday, 12 June 2015 15:39 (nine years ago) link

haha why would China do that anyway. "We're not shipping you anymore products!" "huh OK, have fun going broke"

Οὖτις, Friday, 12 June 2015 15:40 (nine years ago) link

otoh, it's a nice theory that ties together TPP w/ Iran negotiations as O's biggest a) trade + b) foreign policy priorities

Mordy, Friday, 12 June 2015 15:41 (nine years ago) link

as i anticipated:

He's simply cashing out, feathering his future nest, foaming his own landing, getting his meal ticket punched, setting the table for the feast of his 20 years of life — his post-electoral, Obama Global Initiative legacy-tour life. You can't ride the corporate stratospheric rails to Davos if corporate jet owners don't like you.

tsk Mordy, always believing the best of everypimpone.

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Friday, 12 June 2015 15:43 (nine years ago) link

idk the "personal gain" angle seems p weak in this instance

Οὖτις, Friday, 12 June 2015 15:47 (nine years ago) link

xposts
yeah, it also starts to veer into conspiracy theory at some point.

but i do think there must be something more to it than "obama wants rich people to like him so that he can bank after the presidency." obama is already going to make a ton of money after the presidency. it seems odd for him to burn bridges and turn his entire party against him just because he wants to have a net worth of $30 million rather than $20 million

legendary wireless executive (Karl Malone), Friday, 12 June 2015 15:47 (nine years ago) link

that's dumb. being an ex-POTUS will guarantee him wealth-producing connections & expensive speaking fees for life whether or not he passes this.

Mordy, Friday, 12 June 2015 15:47 (nine years ago) link

like, no corporate jet owner is going to have his mind changed by this bill getting passed, sorry

xp

Οὖτις, Friday, 12 June 2015 15:48 (nine years ago) link

or what Mordy said

Οὖτις, Friday, 12 June 2015 15:48 (nine years ago) link

so that leaves...THE STRAIT OF MALACCA

legendary wireless executive (Karl Malone), Friday, 12 June 2015 15:50 (nine years ago) link

who knows

it's so shitty, though, to witness the spectacle of the POTUS trying to maneuver around everyone in his party so that he can please the chamber of commerce and republicans

legendary wireless executive (Karl Malone), Friday, 12 June 2015 15:51 (nine years ago) link

obama is a pretty big neoliberal right? i think he sincerely believes in the power of free trade, so it's not crazy to think he really believes in TPP as a huge stimulus to the world and US economy.

Mordy, Friday, 12 June 2015 15:51 (nine years ago) link

trade agreements like this are good for one particular sector of the US economy and p shitty for every other sector, as has been borne out since the 90s

Οὖτις, Friday, 12 June 2015 15:54 (nine years ago) link

i would remind you that some of the 0.0001% supported Romney last time simply bcz Obama wasn't verbally enthusiastic enough about the taste of their dicks. you underestimate his venality, i think.

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Friday, 12 June 2015 15:57 (nine years ago) link

Arriving as Democratic and Republican lawmakers faced off at Nationals Park, Obama was greeted with chants of "TPA! TPA!" from the GOP side — the acronym for the Trade Promotion Authority fast track bill.

i was at this game and the same drunk interns chanting TPA were begging us to put our banner down so they could get their insta of the president

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 12 June 2015 15:59 (nine years ago) link

obama is a pretty big neoliberal right? i think he sincerely believes in the power of free trade, so it's not crazy to think he really believes in TPP as a huge stimulus to the world and US economy.

― Mordy, Friday, June 12, 2015 3:51 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ding ding ding

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 12 June 2015 16:01 (nine years ago) link

at the least, i think--given his rhetoric about tpp opponents 'living in the past'--he believes he's acknowledging the realities of globalization and trying to make trade work accordingly. i think he's wrong that those realities are inevitable.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 12 June 2015 16:04 (nine years ago) link

yeah, all this time it should be clear that he's an american consensus true believer

anyway, do we have any kansan ilxors? this shit is like watching wile e coyote realize the tunnel entrance is a painted rock

http://www.kansascity.com/news/government-politics/article23744494.html

goole, Friday, 12 June 2015 16:12 (nine years ago) link

x-post--I emailed my Virginia Dem rep re my opposition to TPP, and he emailed me back his cliched business Democrat/small business owner reasons for supporting it, as well as mentioning that he had to stand with the President.

curmudgeon, Friday, 12 June 2015 16:19 (nine years ago) link

^ that's exactly the response I'd get from my rep (Kurt Schraeder D-OR).

(shakes fist)

Aimless, Friday, 12 June 2015 16:25 (nine years ago) link

the other thing about that digny piece is it only is trying to explain why he's unwilling to allow the anti-slavary language to pass (bc it wouldn't let malaysia in). obv that particular provision wouldn't apply to most of the other potential partners

Mordy, Friday, 12 June 2015 16:36 (nine years ago) link

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/obama-trade-vote-meeting-with-democrats-118937.html#ixzz3criYblGc

The Hill trip followed another scrambled appearance Thursday night to the annual Congressional baseball game at Nationals Park. He didn’t mention trade, but the crowd of lawmakers and staffers knew that that’s what his unscheduled visit was about. Republicans, who generally support the legislation, greeted the president with cheers using the bill’s acronym — “TPA, TPA!”

goole, Friday, 12 June 2015 16:39 (nine years ago) link

http://i60.tinypic.com/9az7yh.png

Mordy, Friday, 12 June 2015 16:44 (nine years ago) link

rep gregory meeks (D-NY) on floor right now explicitly stating that if we don't pass a comprehensive trade bill, china will

Mordy, Friday, 12 June 2015 16:46 (nine years ago) link

what channel is PRC-SPAN on, anyway

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Friday, 12 June 2015 16:48 (nine years ago) link

this is showing on CPN1H for me - channel 1217

Mordy, Friday, 12 June 2015 16:51 (nine years ago) link

Ted Cruz: An Error Occurred

Οὖτις, Friday, 12 June 2015 16:52 (nine years ago) link

reps are really angry about the bill not addressing currency manipulation

Mordy, Friday, 12 June 2015 16:57 (nine years ago) link

took me a few seconds to remember where i recognized paul ryan's babyface from

Mordy, Friday, 12 June 2015 16:58 (nine years ago) link

pelosi sounds like she's a 'no' vote?

Mordy, Friday, 12 June 2015 17:14 (nine years ago) link

FAIL

Οὖτις, Friday, 12 June 2015 17:50 (nine years ago) link

Pretty sure Obama is pushing hard for this because the sole purpose of government these days is to make corporations richer and lock down their precious intellectual property for as long as humanly possible?

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 12 June 2015 17:50 (nine years ago) link

never let me down, Nan:

“I will be voting to slow down fast-track,” House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said on the floor moments before the vote, after keeping her intentions private for months. “Today we have an opportunity to slow down. Whatever the deal is with other countries, we want a better deal for American workers.”

Οὖτις, Friday, 12 June 2015 17:51 (nine years ago) link

grats hoos

lag∞n, Friday, 12 June 2015 18:02 (nine years ago) link

let's all sing!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BYyDusJYJo

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Friday, 12 June 2015 18:16 (nine years ago) link

thx guys we were watching c-span and when pelosi went up to speak, having been equivocating all week & knowing she was gonna bellwether, we all held our breath; when she started in on "this vote on TPA--or Fast Track, let's call it what it is--is moving too fast for us to get a better deal for American workers"

and my boss yelled WHERE'S THE CHAMPAGNE

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 12 June 2015 18:18 (nine years ago) link

would drink w/ u guys

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 12 June 2015 18:30 (nine years ago) link

putting a hoos on the case was their shrewdest move

Aimless, Friday, 12 June 2015 18:34 (nine years ago) link

good lookin out hoos

Οὖτις, Friday, 12 June 2015 18:37 (nine years ago) link

You guys can do better than champagne!

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 12 June 2015 18:42 (nine years ago) link

Yay. Good job

curmudgeon, Friday, 12 June 2015 18:43 (nine years ago) link

Gimlets for everyone! Mixed by Robert Bork!

http://images.politico.com/global/2012/12/19/121219_robert_bork_ap_328.jpg

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 12 June 2015 18:43 (nine years ago) link

Also: yet another victory for Speaker Boehner, who joins the ranks of Rayburn and Clay.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 12 June 2015 18:56 (nine years ago) link

now HilRod could come out against this at her rally tomw -- a "bold move"

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Friday, 12 June 2015 19:03 (nine years ago) link

Whew. Now you can vote for her!

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 12 June 2015 19:06 (nine years ago) link

lol

Οὖτις, Friday, 12 June 2015 19:07 (nine years ago) link

Ready for Nunnery

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Friday, 12 June 2015 19:28 (nine years ago) link

I thought Nunn retired.

Aimless, Friday, 12 June 2015 19:35 (nine years ago) link

His liberal, labor-supporting, dove-ish ways live on in Morbs.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 12 June 2015 19:37 (nine years ago) link

i don't understand what there is to celebrate. by not giving obama fast track (which, if the TPP was bad for workers doesn't mean he would get to push it through just that they vote on what he already put in or something like that) they also killed this program, which directly gives money to workers who were benefitting from trade. seems like the cost far outweighs the benefits...

flopson, Friday, 12 June 2015 20:30 (nine years ago) link

sorry, *workers who lost their jobs due to imports

flopson, Friday, 12 June 2015 20:30 (nine years ago) link

"trade adjustment assistant" sounds like the most heinous euphemism

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 12 June 2015 20:30 (nine years ago) link

how much workers training did NAFTA offer?

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 12 June 2015 20:30 (nine years ago) link

I think part of the reason they wanted fast track is because the actual legislation is so odious it will never pass once it gets openly debated in congress

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 12 June 2015 20:31 (nine years ago) link

the Assistance for Workers bill was specifically tied to TPP in order to try and get it to pass.

I would expect it to be renewed separately before it expires in December.

Οὖτις, Friday, 12 June 2015 20:33 (nine years ago) link

like, there's no reason it can't be considered separately, attaching it to TPP was just some procedural bullshit to try and lure votes for TPP

Οὖτις, Friday, 12 June 2015 20:35 (nine years ago) link

the Assistance for Workers bill was specifically tied to TPP in order to try and get it to pass.

OTM. flopson, this was the sweet coating to a poison b(p)ill. If it's so important, it'll pass separately, and Pelosi knows it.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 12 June 2015 20:43 (nine years ago) link

the Assistance for Workers bill was specifically tied to TPP in order to try and get it to pass.

I would expect it to be renewed separately before it expires in December.

― Οὖτις, Friday, June 12, 2015 4:33 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ok, that seems like a sleazy move. but i wouldn't expect it to be renewed, republicans hate it

flopson, Friday, 12 June 2015 23:32 (nine years ago) link

"trade adjustment assistant" sounds like the most heinous euphemism

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, June 12, 2015 4:30 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

according to this website


$975,320,800 in federal funds allocated to states for benefits and services delivered to assist trade-impacted US workers
227,882 US workers accessed TAA-funded benefits and services

flopson, Friday, 12 June 2015 23:35 (nine years ago) link

975320800/227882 = 4279.94$ per worker... that seems non-negligible

flopson, Friday, 12 June 2015 23:37 (nine years ago) link

i don't get how TPP is going to kill labor. WTO members (which there are 120 of) export manufacturing goods to US at an average tariff of 2%. for 11 of the countries in the TPP that's already zero, so it's reducing a tariff by 2% for like, 4 countries? how many jobs is that really going to cost?

flopson, Friday, 12 June 2015 23:42 (nine years ago) link

oh sorry i misquoted that, TPP will only reduce manufacturing tariffs to zero for 11 countries, they are already zero for 5. still though, from 2% to 0%

flopson, Friday, 12 June 2015 23:45 (nine years ago) link

The 4279.94$ per worker would mostly consist of the cost of delivery of those "benefits and services", which I am supposing were largely intangible, in the form of career counseling and maybe some community college courses. I'd be interested in a breakdown of what those "benefits and services" consisted of in real terms. Also "trade-impacted" is a wretched euphemism worthy of the Pentagon.

Aimless, Friday, 12 June 2015 23:48 (nine years ago) link

the battle may not be over yet:

The sting of defeat may be temporary. The White House adamantly insisted on Friday that it made important progress by passing part of the trade package and still has a chance to turn around the vote on the other part. If that proves true, Mr. Obama may yet secure the negotiating authority he needs to seal a legacy-building 12-nation Pacific trade agreement and the day’s setback may ultimately be overshadowed.

Ugh to the the phrasing and substance of this NY Times article

curmudgeon, Saturday, 13 June 2015 11:54 (nine years ago) link

the NYT really wants us to know it's not over

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 13 June 2015 11:58 (nine years ago) link

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/13/upshot/trade-deals-setback-left-wall-street-unmoved-why.html?action=click&contentCollection=Politics&module=RelatedCoverage®ion=Marginalia&pgtype=article

Wall Street’s apparent indifference to this latest development tells us something, although it’s not quite clear what. One possibility is that perhaps this trade deal just isn’t such a big deal for the bottom lines of these firms — it adds only millions to the bottom lines of companies that are worth billions.

curmudgeon, Saturday, 13 June 2015 11:59 (nine years ago) link

2 NYT articles

curmudgeon, Saturday, 13 June 2015 12:00 (nine years ago) link

or Wall Street knows it's going to pass anyway.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 13 June 2015 12:02 (nine years ago) link

On endemic corruption and our New Nixon

"As for the Democrats, Hillary Clinton may not be the worst person to fly the reform flag, but then again, she might be. Her first problem is her past. If the Clintons didn’t invent pay-to-play politics, with such minions as Rahm Emanuel and Terry McAuliffe in tow, they came close to perfecting it. Her second problem is her present: her special way of handling her email; the alleged conflicts of interest over at the Clinton Foundation; the pricey speeches she gave and Bill still insists on giving. Her third problem is how she handles questions about it all: her defensive tone; her far-too-clever syntactical evasions; her insistence on being praised even as she stumbles; and, yes, her seeming sense of entitlement.

In a June 2 Gallup poll, 57 percent of respondents said Hillary is not “honest or trustworthy.” In a Public Policy Polling survey of Ohio voters this week, she led Ted Cruz by a point and was tied with Marco Rubio. The first poll explains the others. This week, Bill Clinton said he’ll stop giving $500,000 speeches if she becomes president. Yesterday, Hillary went to New York City to deliver a populist-themed speech. Neither Clinton has a clue about the depth of public anger over watching big-money interests treat government as their personal toy. If Clinton loses the nomination or the general election, this will be the reason why.

Bernie Sanders does a far better job on the issue, but even he doesn’t quite nail it. Like Clinton, he says his Supreme Court appointees must commit to overturn Citizens United. He said it first, but every Democrat says it now and it feels like a dodge. Overturning Citizens United, whether by judicial review or constitutional amendment, is a highly conjectural remedy. A president could serve two terms and not get to replace a single Republican Supreme Court justice, and hell will freeze over before a 38th state ratifies a constitutional amendment.

Democrats speak of Citizens United as if overturning it would restore a golden age of ethics; as if its mere existence excuses all the bad bargains they strike with the rich and powerful; as if it proved that where corruption is concerned, they are only victims, never culprits. Government was corrupt before Citizens United was filed and will have to be cleaned up before it’s overturned. Voters want to hear some practical ideas about how to do it up–but so far Democrats don’t have any.

The sight of any Democrat raising billions while offering vague assurances of future reform won’t satisfy anyone and comes at a high opportunity cost. Jeb Bush has possibly been breaking at least two major campaign finance laws all year. Democrats can’t call him to account because they do the same thing. How much money must they raise to recoup the expense of ceding the high moral ground?

One reason Democrats can’t talk about corruption is that it’s as much in their nature to defend government as it is in the Republicans’ nature to attack it. The idea that government may be rotten at its core is alien to them. Two of Clinton’s declared Democratic opponents, Martin O’Malley and Lincoln Chafee, attack her ethics, but the only reform either proposes is to pick him over her. Neither seems able to frame the issue properly. Democrats just aren’t very good at it."

http://www.salon.com/2015/06/14/heres_how_bernie_sanders_could_win_the_one_issue_where_hillarys_vulnerable_and_where_the_tea_party_might_be_right/

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Monday, 15 June 2015 07:31 (nine years ago) link

Hillary Clinton may not be the worst person to fly the reform flag, but then again, she might be[

the always artful salon

Mordy, Monday, 15 June 2015 12:46 (nine years ago) link

Not saying that's the worse way to begin a story, but then again, it might be.

pplains, Monday, 15 June 2015 13:26 (nine years ago) link

it is what it is - until it isn't

legendary wireless executive (Karl Malone), Monday, 15 June 2015 13:43 (nine years ago) link

The game is the game.

http://i.imgur.com/nFFxh1Y.jpg

pplains, Monday, 15 June 2015 13:46 (nine years ago) link

Not saying that's the worse way to begin a story

It's not the beginning.

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Monday, 15 June 2015 13:54 (nine years ago) link

i see it's just a game except FOR THE SECRET STUFF HILMART ACTUALLY BELIEVES, do you see

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Monday, 15 June 2015 13:54 (nine years ago) link

Open my eyes. Let the salon.com story run through my veins.

pplains, Monday, 15 June 2015 13:58 (nine years ago) link

ha, just got a new email from opm re: the "cyber intrusion".

OPM has recently discovered that additional systems were compromised. These systems included those that contain information related to the background investigations of current, former, and prospective federal government employees, as well as other individuals for whom a federal background investigation was conducted.

lol

jesus

legendary wireless executive (Karl Malone), Monday, 15 June 2015 14:02 (nine years ago) link

this is all tombot's fault

legendary wireless executive (Karl Malone), Monday, 15 June 2015 14:03 (nine years ago) link

nah, he had a vacation day when this happened

just seize this as an opp'ty to get the dirt on yr coworkers, KM.

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Monday, 15 June 2015 14:20 (nine years ago) link

gov't should just give you all new identities

Οὖτις, Monday, 15 June 2015 15:32 (nine years ago) link

you can be John Smallberries

Οὖτις, Monday, 15 June 2015 15:43 (nine years ago) link

my new name is mick jagger

legendary wireless executive (Karl Malone), Monday, 15 June 2015 15:44 (nine years ago) link

FBI should be taking from this that any backdoor the good guys have can and will be used by the bad guys, but they won't.

jennifer islam (silby), Monday, 15 June 2015 16:09 (nine years ago) link

they need even better backdoors to catch these bad guys do u see

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 15 June 2015 17:05 (nine years ago) link

this fuckin guy

Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA) was escorted out of Tuesday’s Benghazi deposition by panel chairman Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-SC) about a minute after he snuck into the private hearing, The Hill reported.

The former House Oversight Chairman reportedly attempted to observe Sidney Blumenthal’s deposition before the House Select Committee. Blumenthal was an adviser to 2016 Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.

Issa and Gowdy spoke outside the hearing before Issa sulked off, according to The Hill.

“Sorry about that,” Gowdy reportedly said as he reentered the closed-door session.

According to The Hill, Issa had gone to the briefing room where Blumenthal was to be interviewed but the room was empty as a lunch recess had been called.

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 16 June 2015 23:41 (nine years ago) link

When Trey fucking Gowdy is the mature one you know you're dealing with some beyond-obsessive psychos.

a silly gif of awkward larping (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 17 June 2015 00:02 (nine years ago) link

Time for Hoos to get back to work and stop that work-around Boehner has come up with to push TPP. I guess I can contact my pro-TPP Dem rep and beg him again to change his mind, when this comes up for a vote again

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 15:35 (nine years ago) link

that fucking guy

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 16:56 (nine years ago) link

so it looks like their plan is to:

1. tuck TAA into something noncontroversial/essential (the highway bill, probably!), pass *that* in the house (if GOP goes for it?)
2. pass TPA (if Dems/Tea Party go for it?) solo in the house
3. shoot TAA-less TPA over to the senate and pass it (if Dems go for it without TAA in it?)

there are a lot of question marks in there and it wouldn't be an easy win for them but there *is* a path, so we've got to get back to it.

negotiators in other countries are saying now that if it's not passed by August recess then they're ready to basically suspend negotiations until the second year of the next presidency--so this really is the finish line.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 17:04 (nine years ago) link

tbf there's absolutely no reason to have any faith that Boehner can get anything past his caucus

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 17:07 (nine years ago) link

is this the kind of thing where the bulk of the GOP really hates it or feels compelled to hate it by their constituency (aside from the crazies)

goole, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 17:58 (nine years ago) link

by the crazies i mean the bachmann/king/gohmert end

goole, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 17:58 (nine years ago) link

I'd guess constituency. If some Dems cave in to White House, that might also give Boehner the numbers he needs

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 18:06 (nine years ago) link

Boehner won't do it if it requires majority Dem + minority GOP tho

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 18:07 (nine years ago) link

what worries me shakey is that the vote last week suggests that the numbers *are* there to pass standalone fast track/TPA--McConnell is now saying he has assurances from some of last week's No vote dems that if he & Boehner "promise" to tuck TAA into something else to ensure it passes, then they'll vote for fast track. fuckin horse trading sycophants.

is this the kind of thing where the bulk of the GOP really hates it or feels compelled to hate it by their constituency (aside from the crazies)

― goole, Wednesday, June 17, 2015 5:58 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the breitbart crew have been pushing really hard on the "obamatrade" angle ("house GOP kowtows to their corporate masters & empowers obama with fast track") trying to swing more crazies the right way, but the bulk of the house is part of the corporate GOP & is thus "pro-trade."

we're trying to hit the people who voted wrong pretty hard too.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 21:26 (nine years ago) link

huh yeah that's bad news

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 21:34 (nine years ago) link

To change subjects for a sec: Benghazi Committee chair Drago Malefoy has officially turned himself into Ken Starr, hoovering any evidence that will impugn a Clinton during an election year.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 June 2015 21:39 (nine years ago) link

I am shocked

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 21:41 (nine years ago) link

lol malefoy

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 18 June 2015 06:00 (nine years ago) link

Senate Democrats will also have to gamble that House Democrats will not again vote against the measure when it comes across the Rotunda.

ugh there's no way this happens, if they vote yes on TAA in the africa bill in the senate the house dems are never gonna shoot their feet and vote against it at that point, that'd be entirely pointless

we have to kill it in the senate, which is a much scarier and less plausible prospect.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 18 June 2015 18:29 (nine years ago) link

fuck

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 18 June 2015 18:29 (nine years ago) link

h00s, i have a question about ISDS -- who gives the organization any authority to fine countries? is it just that the countries involved in the trade bill are voluntarily placing themselves under ISDS authority? putting aside why the US would be okay with that when we're already so reticent to sign onto any UN obligations lest we risk our sovereignty, why would any of the other countries want this?

Mordy, Thursday, 18 June 2015 18:35 (nine years ago) link

we have to kill it in the senate, which is a much scarier and less plausible prospect.

yeah I have much less faith in my senators. well one of them anyway.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 18 June 2015 18:51 (nine years ago) link

They also want to make sure that Mr. Boehner will bring up that measure once the Senate is done with it — most likely at the end of next week. Mr. Obama and Democrats aligned with him on trade have to support Mr. McConnell and Mr. Boehner, basically saying, “Trust us that we trust them.”

lol riiiight

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 June 2015 19:04 (nine years ago) link

who gives the organization any authority to fine countries? is it just that the countries involved in the trade bill are voluntarily placing themselves under ISDS authority? putting aside why the US would be okay with that when we're already so reticent to sign onto any UN obligations lest we risk our sovereignty, why would any of the other countries want this?

― Mordy, Thursday, June 18, 2015 6:35 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah by signing onto the agreement the countries are giving the arbitration tribunals the right to fine based on any violation of rules contained in the agreement.

Generally speaking, negotiators in other countries begrudgingly agree to it as 'the cost of doing business' with the multinational (American) companies pushing for the deal. In a lot of my protest actions around tourist traps here in DC I've been approached by people from lots of other TPP countries who are excited to see American opposition because "everyone in our country is against this, and the secret courts."

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 18 June 2015 19:50 (nine years ago) link

my favorite detail about the ISDS process is that the tribunals who make the decisions literally come from the same pool of corporate lawyers arguing on behalf of the multinationals--so they could come in to work monday, argue a case for philip morris, clock out, then come in the next day and be 1/3rd of the tribunal on a different philip morris case.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 18 June 2015 19:52 (nine years ago) link

I just can't understand why the US govt would be willing to hand over some of its sovereignty to an arbitration tribunal. Are the corporations bullying Obama into this? Or is the idea that without the tribunal there won't be any way of enforcing the trade agreements? (In which case isn't the better way to ensure compliance to tie the applicability of the treaty itself to its adherence?) Also, who gets the fine money?

Mordy, Thursday, 18 June 2015 19:53 (nine years ago) link

Oh, I see. So the individual corporation would get it. Seems like a terrible idea to have corporations enforcing the details of a multinational treaty. They aren't even parties to it!

Mordy, Thursday, 18 June 2015 19:54 (nine years ago) link

Are the corporations bullying Obama into this? Or is the idea that without the tribunal there won't be any way of enforcing the trade agreements? (In which case isn't the better way to ensure compliance to tie the applicability of the treaty itself to its adherence?)

yeah its sold as an enforcement mechanism. it's theoretically possible for (say) Barclays to take the US to court over Dodd-Frank, and no one really explains *why* that won't happen when Obama mocks that idea as ridiculous, except for this kind of unspoken notion that the international capital that plays nice together helps everybody win.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 18 June 2015 20:05 (nine years ago) link

why, how could anybody honestly mistrust the interests of international capital, that's just silly

Οὖτις, Thursday, 18 June 2015 20:07 (nine years ago) link

It just seems like we manage to have enforcement mechanisms on every other treaty we sign without giving open season to every corporation's legal team to start draining the capital of every signatory to TPP.

Mordy, Thursday, 18 June 2015 20:09 (nine years ago) link

well i'd kinda argue that draining the capital of pacific rim signatories to make room for american capital is what the agreement (and 'free trade' generally) is *for*

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 18 June 2015 20:23 (nine years ago) link

though tbf realistically ISDS isn't really a big part of that plan in terms of dollars--example of outrageous settlements abound, but the money is really used as leverage to change laws in the corps' favor rather than, say, an explicit bleedout of welfare programs overlapping with corporate interests. ISDS is just a particularly egregious part of it.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 18 June 2015 20:26 (nine years ago) link

what are the enforcement mechanisms in NATO?

Mordy, Thursday, 18 June 2015 20:30 (nine years ago) link

couldn't tell you tbh

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 18 June 2015 20:41 (nine years ago) link

Nukes iirc

jennifer islam (silby), Friday, 19 June 2015 00:50 (nine years ago) link

the Second Amendment

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 June 2015 00:59 (nine years ago) link

good news:

Trade-friendly Senate Democrats were skeptical about moving "fast track" separate from the renewal TAA, a worker assistance program. Fourteen Senate Democrats supported the two measures last month when they were packaged together into one vote.

Sen. Patty Murray, who brokered a deal to get Democratic support on the trade package last month, said she was "hopeful for a path forward that includes TAA and TPA. We'll see where it is."

Sen. Ben Cardin said his position hasn't changed. "I want it all together. I've said that before."

Sen. Bill Nelson, a strong supporter of the trade package, said he thought moving separate votes on TPA and TAA was a viable option, but wasn't sure how fellow trade-supportive Democrats would consider the votes. "To be determined on the rest of them, but I think at the end of the day we're going to pass them."

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 19 June 2015 14:10 (nine years ago) link

ugh Bill Nelson

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 June 2015 14:12 (nine years ago) link

I called his office last week before the vote.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 June 2015 14:12 (nine years ago) link

lol boehner

"I'd describe most of what's gone on in last three weeks as close to bizarre and I don't think I've learned anything from it," he said.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 19 June 2015 14:13 (nine years ago) link

"I'd describe most of what's gone on in last three weeks thirty years as close to bizarre and I don't think I've learned anything from it," he said.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 June 2015 14:14 (nine years ago) link

Mere days after Hillary called on Congress to slow down the trade package, Bill went on the Daily Show to offer an unabashedly pro-trade argument: "On balance, the countries that we have trade agreements with, we tend to have a balance of trade, much more than, let's say with China."

Union leaders groaned: "After Hillary toggled to the left to appease labor unions, they said, Bill Clinton's television appearance looked like an attempt to assuage corporate elites," POLITICO's Annie Karni writes. "'It's too cute by half,'" fumed one labor leader, who declined to comment because their union has yet to make an endorsement in the presidential contest."

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 19 June 2015 14:31 (nine years ago) link

I had not noticed the specifics on that bad House vote earlier--The House vote was 218-208, with 28 Democrats voting for it.

curmudgeon, Friday, 19 June 2015 14:54 (nine years ago) link

lol that boehner quote sounds like jk simmons in burn after reading

goole, Friday, 19 June 2015 16:01 (nine years ago) link

https://youtu.be/SlA9hmrC8DU

goole, Friday, 19 June 2015 16:05 (nine years ago) link

so TPP is a-go?

Mordy, Tuesday, 23 June 2015 16:48 (eight years ago) link

well today was the cloture vote--but the path is clear.

last ditch brake effort by the sponsors of the Africa bill (AGOA) that they tied TAA to--they'd been threatening that if TPA passed cloture, they'd vote against AGOA/TAA themselves. they're hoping that the threat of killing TAA is enough to persuade Dem Senators to vote no on TPA.

we'll see. i have my doubts, honestly.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 23 June 2015 18:12 (eight years ago) link

is it wrong to assume that the current event news frenzy is giving these guys cover to do nefarious shit or are the opponents to tpp memories longer than that and the uppance will come later? or is there no comeuppance?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEbjpVnLv2c

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 23 June 2015 18:14 (eight years ago) link

after Fast Track, we shift our footing to fight on the vote TPP directly--but the truth is that will probably be an ineffectual fight. this is the one where we had the best shot at winning.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 23 June 2015 18:14 (eight years ago) link

are the opponents to tpp memories longer than that and the uppance will come later? or is there no comeuppance?

― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, June 23, 2015 6:14 PM (46 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

there's talk about primarying people who voted wrong, but nobody in our coalition is willing to go on record saying they'll use this as a test on, say, presidential endorsements.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 23 June 2015 18:16 (eight years ago) link

'is it wrong to assume that the current event news frenzy is giving these guys cover to do nefarious shit'

i think it's a mistake to think that tpp was going to get a groundswell of opposition under the most ideal news circumstances, after all americans tend not to pay a lot of attention to trade bills

Mordy, Tuesday, 23 June 2015 18:30 (eight years ago) link

I like to think once people hear about the details in this turd they'll turn against it but yeah that presumes people actually pay attention =\

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 23 June 2015 18:34 (eight years ago) link

they should have tied US citizen consumer/education/medical debt liquidation to passage of this bill but that would be unrealistic. better to practice voodoo

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 23 June 2015 18:48 (eight years ago) link

"if you order a pizza i will THROW AWAY MY BIRTHDAY CAKE"

-- house dems, 2015

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 23 June 2015 20:33 (eight years ago) link

they should have tacked on a bill to sponsor the perverted arts

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 23 June 2015 20:35 (eight years ago) link

there's talk about primarying people who voted wrong, but nobody in our coalition is willing to go on record saying they'll use this as a test on, say, presidential endorsements.

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver

what about House and Senate races?

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 June 2015 20:36 (eight years ago) link

maybe if we coddle big money more, labor will benefit someday?

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 23 June 2015 20:40 (eight years ago) link

what about House and Senate races?

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, June 23, 2015 8:36 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

right yeah, that's who we're talking about primarying

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 23 June 2015 20:51 (eight years ago) link

man I would love someone to primary Feinstein but her pockets are insanely deep

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 23 June 2015 20:51 (eight years ago) link

a lot of people got spooked when we went hard against like Bera in CA & Polis in CO & MoveOn is even sabre rattling about primarying Wyden--that's part of why we think we got the votes we got in the house a couple of weeks ago.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 23 June 2015 20:52 (eight years ago) link

I assume primarying House members is way easier than Senators

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 23 June 2015 20:54 (eight years ago) link

afaict but i mean, i'm still new to this stuff

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 23 June 2015 20:58 (eight years ago) link

fucking BLOOMBERG amost lost his 3rd mayoral term to an empty suit w/ no money. it can be done.

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 23 June 2015 21:13 (eight years ago) link

mayoral politics are not state politics, smaller footprint

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 23 June 2015 21:20 (eight years ago) link

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/tpa-trade-bill-democrat-vote-tally-119331.html

Both of my Virginia Democratic senators voted for this. Ugh

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 24 June 2015 00:22 (eight years ago) link

New Yorker profile on Feinstein last week packaged her as a centrist.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 24 June 2015 00:45 (eight years ago) link

The procedural vote of 60 to 37 just reached the minimum needed, but final Senate passage will require only 51 votes. The House approved trade promotion authority last week.

So I think 32 Dems voted against, 5 Republicans against; 13 Dems for; 47 Republicans for

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 24 June 2015 12:38 (eight years ago) link

name names

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 24 June 2015 15:33 (eight years ago) link

From a FB post but unable to verify more than Cantwell, Murray, Feinstein, Shaheen & Wyden

Michael Bennet (CO)
Maria Cantwell (WA)
Tom Carper (DE)
Chris Coons (DE)
Dianne Feinstein (CA)
Heidi Heitkamp (ND)
Tim Kaine (VA)
Claire McCaskill (MO)
Patty Murray (WA)
Bill Nelson (FL)
Jeanne Shaheen (NH)
Mark Warner (VA)
Ron Wyden (OR)

a silly gif of awkward larping (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 24 June 2015 16:37 (eight years ago) link

Delaware?? I find this easy to believe!

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 24 June 2015 16:37 (eight years ago) link

Feinstein I fuckin knew it

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 24 June 2015 16:42 (eight years ago) link

interesting that the west coast senators seem up for this.

wizzz! (amateurist), Wednesday, 24 June 2015 16:46 (eight years ago) link

and Wyden, good on national security, is a weenie on trade

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 24 June 2015 16:47 (eight years ago) link

"port" land innit

goole, Wednesday, 24 June 2015 16:52 (eight years ago) link

right. but you might also think they would listen to the unions opposed to this thing

wizzz! (amateurist), Wednesday, 24 June 2015 16:57 (eight years ago) link

just angers me so much that Feinstein's "liberal" credentials are on two issues (abortion and gun control) on which she's been largely ineffectual or irrelevant - and on p much every other issue she might as well be a party-line Republican.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 24 June 2015 17:08 (eight years ago) link

she likes gays too

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 24 June 2015 17:47 (eight years ago) link

it's illegal not to in San Francisco, right?

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 24 June 2015 17:48 (eight years ago) link

I just feel like she rode Harvey Milk's corpse all the way to the bank

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 24 June 2015 17:48 (eight years ago) link

remind me which awesome pro-LGBT legislation passed the Senate I'm kinda blanking on anything

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 24 June 2015 17:50 (eight years ago) link

thanks for the image

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 24 June 2015 17:50 (eight years ago) link

Cruz surrogate Chumley (!) weighs in:

Another of Cruz's campaign co-chairs in the Palmetto State, state Rep. Bill Chumley (R), voted against opening debate on the flag. Chumley also told CNN on Tuesday night that he believed it more urgent to debate the fact that no one present at the massacre of nine black Charleston churchgoers was armed.

"We need to be focusing on the nine families that are left and see that this doesn’t happen again," Chumley said in the CNN interview. "These people sat in there, and waited their turn to be shot. That’s sad. But somebody in there with the means of self defense could have stopped this. And we’d have had less funerals than we’re having."

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 24 June 2015 18:21 (eight years ago) link

oops wrong thread

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 24 June 2015 18:22 (eight years ago) link

x-post to

right. but you might also think they would listen to the unions opposed to this thing

― wizzz! (amateurist), Wednesday, June 24, 2015

Nike is in Oregon and they don't care about unions

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 24 June 2015 18:25 (eight years ago) link

but i thought CA and WA were big union states, esp. in re. ports

wizzz! (amateurist), Wednesday, 24 June 2015 18:31 (eight years ago) link

there's def huge unions in the ports of Oakland and LA

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 24 June 2015 18:34 (eight years ago) link

WA also has Boeing for unions but I imagine the tech bros outspend them for influence now.

joygoat, Wednesday, 24 June 2015 18:57 (eight years ago) link

Nike is in Oregon and they don't care about unions

― curmudgeon, Wednesday, June 24, 2015 6:25 PM (32 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Obama gave his big TPP pitch **at a Nike factory**, just to really hit us over the head with the symbolism

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 24 June 2015 19:00 (eight years ago) link

I've voted wyden for senate three times since I was 20, iirc. He's lost my vote and I'll volunteer for whoever primaries him. I hope it's Steve Novick.

Clay, Wednesday, 24 June 2015 20:37 (eight years ago) link

guys its called the trans pacific partnership. california is on the pacific coast. do u see.

im sure theres a shitton of kickbacks and goodies in there for west coast corps that their senators would love to deliver

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 24 June 2015 20:41 (eight years ago) link

Supreme Court thread has discussion of 6 to 3 decision saving exchanges on health care/Obamacare.

Roberts and Kennedy's motives for voting with liberal justices might have been different, but I will take it

curmudgeon, Thursday, 25 June 2015 14:38 (eight years ago) link

I wonder if any red states refusing Medicaid expansion were waiting for King and will now capitulate.

it's not arugula science (WilliamC), Thursday, 25 June 2015 14:47 (eight years ago) link

no they are making a flag to symbolize grievance for the next 150 yrs.

wishy washy hippy variety hour (Hunt3r), Thursday, 25 June 2015 15:03 (eight years ago) link

Who's surprised?

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/texas-gov-greg-abbott-picks-homeschooler-to-chair-state-board-of-education/

A Texas watchdog group expressed concerned this week after Gov. Greg Abbott named a new chairperson to the State Board of Education who has never sent her own children to a public school. Last week, Abbott announced that he was appointing Houston Republican Donna Bahorich, a former communications director for Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick, to chair the Board of Education.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 26 June 2015 04:44 (eight years ago) link

So is she going to do all her work at home or what

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 26 June 2015 05:53 (eight years ago) link

i see from FB liberals are back in unconditional love with Obama.

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 27 June 2015 12:58 (eight years ago) link

I see you're out of Bellevue.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 27 June 2015 13:03 (eight years ago) link

What I hated this week was packaging fast track approval as a victory because it got done.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 27 June 2015 13:04 (eight years ago) link

The White House still has to release the final trade texts for 60 days before Congress votes to ratify the agreements. I am guessing despite how ugly the thing will look, the votes won't change, and the mainstream media take on it won't either.

curmudgeon, Saturday, 27 June 2015 14:42 (eight years ago) link

Yeah, listing fast-track as amongst the victories for Obama this week kinda mars what was otherwise close to historic combination of achievements. Not for Obama, per se, not due to him, but still.

Frederik B, Saturday, 27 June 2015 14:52 (eight years ago) link

does anyone remember that O didn't come out for marriage til when, '13?

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 27 June 2015 22:14 (eight years ago) link

iirc it was 2012, election year
a few days earlier biden publicly stated he was comfortable with gay marriage
which made things kinda awkward for obama
also some wealthy gay donors threatened to withhold support
nevertheless imo better to judge politicians on their actions rather than purity of their motives
the latter is utterly futile standard in politics

drash, Saturday, 27 June 2015 23:01 (eight years ago) link

if you judge them only on the purity of the motives on this subject, you have to rate Gavin Newsom really high, but I wouldn't rank him high on anything else.

akm, Sunday, 28 June 2015 02:52 (eight years ago) link

his hair

a silly gif of awkward larping (Sparkle Motion), Sunday, 28 June 2015 07:31 (eight years ago) link

does anyone remember that O didn't come out for marriage til when, '13?

― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius),

he fully supported it as a state senator

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 28 June 2015 11:09 (eight years ago) link

Barack Obama misled Americans for his own political benefit when he claimed in the 2008 election to oppose same sex marriage for religious reasons, his former political strategist David Axelrod writes in a new book, Believer: My Forty Years in Politics.

“I’m just not very good at bullshitting,” Obama told Axelrod, after an event where he stated his opposition to same-sex marriage, according to the book.

curmudgeon, Sunday, 28 June 2015 15:17 (eight years ago) link

not bad at it now

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 28 June 2015 15:26 (eight years ago) link

“I’m just not very good at bullshitting,”

i disagree

anyway, i’m critical of obama re many things but give him some credit for (belatedly) stating pro-ssm position as potus; even though actually the credit may be due to biden

drash, Sunday, 28 June 2015 15:31 (eight years ago) link

it must be remembered that our elected leaders almost never lead us, but follow public opinion and keep their private opinions out of sight. it is up to activists to change public opinions and this is a full time job that is difficult to do in elective office. there are exceptions, of course, but this is the rule.

Aimless, Sunday, 28 June 2015 16:30 (eight years ago) link

I think it's more of a push-pull relationship. If a political leader wants to work toward some potentially controversial goal, they need sufficient political push from below -- which means that they'll never be far enough in front from the activist POV -- but then once pushed they can amplify the grassroots effort significantly, helping to sway people on the fence (or people who just aren't paying attention). And in the amplification, the core message often gets diluted a bit, the goals compromised to some degree, which frustrates activists even more. And the political leaders, who are in a tougher position than the activists appreciate, get frustrated by the activists in turn. But they both need each other.

^ I think you've described the relationship to a tee, especially given the opening "if a political leader wants to work toward some potentially controversial goal". Pols who aren't time servers usually do want to accomplish some potentially controversial goal, but it isn't universal.

Aimless, Sunday, 28 June 2015 17:03 (eight years ago) link

pretty sweet to see NYC's towers lit up neon rainbow the same week the SCOTUS slapped down the health care typo challenge and the confederate flag came down in some places. there was a line around the stonewall blocks long. barry's "amazing grace" was a little tremulous and pitchy though

reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 28 June 2015 17:24 (eight years ago) link

and although I kind of dismissed newsom above, this is a pretty good interview of his motivations on this in 2004 and the fall out: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/06/san-francisco-mayor-gavin-newsom-supreme-court-ruling-same-sex-marriage

akm, Sunday, 28 June 2015 17:32 (eight years ago) link

Newsom helped hand the election to bush for his own political gain so fuck him

Οὖτις, Sunday, 28 June 2015 17:42 (eight years ago) link

"I agree with you, I want to do it, now make me do it."

- FDR

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 28 June 2015 18:38 (eight years ago) link

^a snopesy never-said-it, right?

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 28 June 2015 18:40 (eight years ago) link

pols are the enemy, especially the ones you vote for.

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 28 June 2015 18:41 (eight years ago) link

It's apocryphal because it's true -- that was his attitude. He would maneuver people into forcing him into doing what he always wanted, lament to the press what Congress was forcing him to, and eagerly signing the legislation.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 28 June 2015 18:45 (eight years ago) link

*sign

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 28 June 2015 18:45 (eight years ago) link

"it's apocryphal because its true" is pretty good

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 29 June 2015 14:50 (eight years ago) link

CNN and other tv news seem more interested in the capture of those 2 escaped prisoners in NY than in Supreme Court rulings,killings in Tunisia, Kuwait, Somalia and France; or funerals and pole climbing in Charleston. Nothing new about this approach but still annoying

curmudgeon, Monday, 29 June 2015 15:07 (eight years ago) link

geez, how about TPP while we're at it? Or the Greek financial crisis?

Iago Galdston, Monday, 29 June 2015 16:00 (eight years ago) link

what the hammer? what the chain?

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 June 2015 16:04 (eight years ago) link

news is no news

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Monday, 29 June 2015 16:05 (eight years ago) link

Maybe the two escaped prisoners are also carrying the 1.6 billion euros that Greece owes

1992 ball boy (Karl Malone), Monday, 29 June 2015 16:05 (eight years ago) link

To paraphrase an old, true saying: if you owe your banker a million euros you can't repay, you have a problem; if you owe your banker a billion euros you can't repay, your banker has a problem.

Aimless, Monday, 29 June 2015 16:24 (eight years ago) link

goddamnit I just got this email from the clinton campaign: "More like Chillary Clinton, amirite?" it is emlazoned on a beer cozy. I don't know if I can vote for her if she keeps sending out this shit.

akm, Monday, 29 June 2015 19:06 (eight years ago) link

when i think of chill people, which is something i do all the time, i always think of hillary clinton. man she is so chill

1992 ball boy (Karl Malone), Monday, 29 June 2015 19:22 (eight years ago) link

http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/246676-fannie-freddie-execs-get-34m-pay-raises?wpisrc=nl_daily202&wpmm=1

The leaders of the government-controlled housing agencies Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac got hefty pay raises on Wednesday, according to new disclosure reports. Fannie Mae CEO Timothy Mayopoulos and Freddie Mac CEO Donald Layton will each earn target compensation of $4 million, according to disclosures filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC). Lawmakers had previously capped the controversial government sponsored entities’ executive pay at $600,000.”

One would hope members of both parties in Congress would see the bad optics on this. The link says someone is proposing a bill to limit their salaries. But I guess many dream of the gravy train themselves so they may not eager to limit this (plus that nonsense about attracting talented people is only possible if exorbitatn salaries are offered).

curmudgeon, Thursday, 2 July 2015 13:58 (eight years ago) link

curmudgeon! You used "optics" in a sentence!

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 July 2015 14:08 (eight years ago) link

The market dictates their wage they could work somewhere else blah blah

I like that people want to get paid the same rate as another job they don't have

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 2 July 2015 14:27 (eight years ago) link

x-post--Sorry man, I've been corrupted or that use of the term is just everywhere now

curmudgeon, Thursday, 2 July 2015 16:05 (eight years ago) link

throwing you under the bus now fyi

Οὖτις, Thursday, 2 July 2015 16:08 (eight years ago) link

IA over 'optics' and 'lens' on this board

Zing Zinglar (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 2 July 2015 22:19 (eight years ago) link

if you view my argument through the prism of my optics metaphor

Zing Zinglar (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 2 July 2015 22:22 (eight years ago) link

you will never prise 'prism' from me

drash, Thursday, 2 July 2015 22:25 (eight years ago) link

how can we incentivize that

Οὖτις, Thursday, 2 July 2015 22:41 (eight years ago) link

you know who has a tremendous instagram is chuck grassley

https://instagram.com/p/4zQnLXF-Ej/

goole, Monday, 6 July 2015 16:13 (eight years ago) link

the excitement, how does he contain it

Οὖτις, Monday, 6 July 2015 16:14 (eight years ago) link

grassley goes so hard u wear hairnet + hardhat in the training room

wishy washy hippy variety hour (Hunt3r), Monday, 6 July 2015 18:08 (eight years ago) link

The GOP-controlled Senate is on track this year to confirm the fewest judges since 1969, a dramatic escalation of the long-running partisan feud over the ideological makeup of federal courts.

The standoff, if it continues through the 2016 elections as expected, could diminish the stamp that President Barack Obama leaves on the judiciary — a less conspicuous but critical part of his legacy. Practically, the makeup of lower-level courts could directly affect a number of Obama’s policies expected to face legal challenges from conservatives.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/payback-gop-blocks-obama-judge-picks-judiciary-119743.html#ixzz3f8eSpyA3

curmudgeon, Monday, 6 July 2015 18:47 (eight years ago) link

its like attorney client privilege minus the attorneys and the clients

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 7 July 2015 22:10 (eight years ago) link

http://www.kirkbangstad.com/

This dude is trying to take out Sean Duffy. He also sang in the Glee Club the year after I graduated. I hope he wins.

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Wednesday, 8 July 2015 16:10 (eight years ago) link

heh, Nancy needlin Boehner:

Democrats responded by reintroducing a resolution that would have mandated the removal of Mississippi’s state flag from display on U.S. Capitol grounds, because it displays the Confederate “Battle Flag.” That resolution, offered by House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), was tabled on a mostly partisan vote that referred it to a committee.

Those Democratic moves left Boehner angry over what he saw as the rejection of his attempt to defuse the issue. “The Speaker offered a thoughtful and responsible way to address this issue and Pelosi responded with a cheap political stunt,” Kevin Smith, Boehner’s spokesman, said.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 9 July 2015 23:14 (eight years ago) link

Surprising story on McConnell's liberal civil rights record:

But Mr. McConnell’s interest in race issues was inspired by his upbringing in Kentucky by parents who opposed segregation. It was fermented on the campus of the University of Louisville, where he encouraged students to march with the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. It was reinforced by his internship in the office of Senator John Sherman Cooper, a Kentucky Republican who helped break the Southern-led filibuster of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

It also surfaced during his first term in the Senate, when Mr. McConnell’s vote helped Congress override President Ronald Reagan’s veto of a measure imposing sanctions on South Africa during apartheid, and has persisted through his years in the United States Capitol, most recently last month, when Mr. McConnell stood before reporters and said that a statue of Jefferson Davis, the president of the Confederacy, should be removed from Kentucky’s Capitol.

“This whole business of America moving past its original sin,” Mr. McConnell said in an interview, “has been over a big period during which I have lived.”

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 10 July 2015 15:04 (eight years ago) link

huh I had no idea

Οὖτις, Friday, 10 July 2015 15:41 (eight years ago) link

A huge story and win for Democrats: Florida Supreme Court orders redrawing of congressional districts.

Destroyed records. Shadowy projects with names like “Sputnik” and “Frankenstein.” And a college student whose identity was stolen to provide cover for political operatives.

Welcome to Florida, where the tentacles of gerrymandering are as tightly coiled around the statehouse as an invasive Burmese python.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 10 July 2015 15:42 (eight years ago) link

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2015_07/culture_war_video056589.php

The rightwing just never stop with their attempts at entrapment videos

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 15 July 2015 15:49 (eight years ago) link

a previously unknown antichoice group called the Center for Medical Progress

fwiw this "group" is one guy ("investigative journalist") who created a website to give his clinic harassment a veneer of legitimacy

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 15 July 2015 15:57 (eight years ago) link

literally no "medical" anything involved in "the center for medical progress"

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 15 July 2015 15:58 (eight years ago) link

ohhh THIS is what the conservative douchebag singer I went to college with was ranting about on Facebook yesterday when he called surrogacy under any circumstances an abomination and human slavery (it took a while but it eventually got to "I'm mad people are selling fetus parts")

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Wednesday, 15 July 2015 16:14 (eight years ago) link

I heard about this last night without any context and the first thing I thought of was that it was some James O'Keefe type shit. No surprise to discover that's exactly what it is.

a silly gif of awkward larping (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 15 July 2015 16:15 (eight years ago) link

what is O'Keefe up to these days anyway

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 15 July 2015 16:17 (eight years ago) link

I'm sure we'll hear from him soon.

a silly gif of awkward larping (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 15 July 2015 16:28 (eight years ago) link

http://prospect.org/article/how-american-south-drives-low-wage-economy

Just as in the 1850s (with the Dred Scott decision and the Fugitive Slave Act), the Southern labor system (with low pay and no unions) is wending its way north.

By
Harold Meyerson

curmudgeon, Friday, 17 July 2015 17:18 (eight years ago) link

JE in SF:
http://ww4.hdnux.com/photos/37/56/65/8318279/15/920x920.jpg

Οὖτις, Friday, 17 July 2015 17:36 (eight years ago) link

sorry wrong thread

Οὖτις, Friday, 17 July 2015 17:39 (eight years ago) link

thank god obama finally lowered the flags for the shooting victims so I don't need to see my idiot family complaining about anymore.

akm, Tuesday, 21 July 2015 21:59 (eight years ago) link

We probably keep that flag lowered 24/7

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 21 July 2015 22:05 (eight years ago) link

i've heard more about fucking flags in the past month than I have in my entire life

akm, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 03:51 (eight years ago) link

should make ISIS dildo flag the new flag of the nation

akm, Wednesday, 22 July 2015 03:52 (eight years ago) link

Why the presidency matters.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 July 2015 12:00 (eight years ago) link

Plus Congress too

Now, with a push from President Obama, and perhaps even more significantly a nod from Speaker John A. Boehner, Congress seems poised to revise four decades of federal policy that greatly expanded the number of Americans — to roughly 750 per 100,000 — now incarcerated, by far the highest of any Western nation.

Senator Charles E. Grassley, Republican of Iowa and chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee who has long resisted changes to federal sentencing laws, said he expected to have a bipartisan bill ready before the August recess.

“It will be a bill that can have broad conservative support,” said Mr. Grassley, who as recently as this year praised the virtues of mandatory minimums on the Senate floor.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 15:38 (eight years ago) link

!

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 15:40 (eight years ago) link

Just ain't the money in building prisons there usta be.

I hope those presidential appointments somehow overcome Waterworld, Alfred.

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 July 2015 15:57 (eight years ago) link

They probably won't — imo that's not a good enough reason to throw up your hands and say
http://www.big-t-shirts.com/ProdImages/big/who-gives-a-shit.jpg_1244.jpg

rack of lamb of god (WilliamC), Tuesday, 28 July 2015 16:01 (eight years ago) link

I was told immigration reform was all but assured too, but some unreasonable dickheads ruined everything

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 28 July 2015 16:24 (eight years ago) link

it's not ME who doesn't give a shit.

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 July 2015 16:25 (eight years ago) link

solitary posts that effortlessly sum up morbz' ilx persona

Mordy, Tuesday, 28 July 2015 16:34 (eight years ago) link

you need to be tied to a solitary post

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 July 2015 16:43 (eight years ago) link

btw Ted Cruz called O the leading state sponsor of terror? Stopped clock twice a day, huh?

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 July 2015 16:51 (eight years ago) link

In more mundane news, the Republican House and the Republican Senate are having trouble agreeing to a highway bill, with some of the Senate in favor of a "compromise" 6 year Senate bill, while the House just wants a 3 month extention to then later develop a longer bill. But Repubs can't agree on how to fund it, and won't listen to Dem proposals on how to do so

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/249598-senate-ends-debate-on-highway-bill

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 29 July 2015 17:29 (eight years ago) link

remember when mcconnell took credit for the economy improving because their congressional majority was about to git-er-done w/ legislation ? lawl

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 29 July 2015 18:00 (eight years ago) link

okay lol at what he did to Mike Lee

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Wednesday, 29 July 2015 18:07 (eight years ago) link

don't fuck w the blobfish

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 29 July 2015 18:27 (eight years ago) link

Capehart is absolutely correct about McConnell's leadership vs. Boehner's. they're both shitbags, but McConnell knows how to run the game.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 29 July 2015 18:27 (eight years ago) link

mcconnell seems genuinely interested in governing. what a concept.

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 29 July 2015 18:28 (eight years ago) link

all the jockeying over symbolic votes to overturn Obamacare are hilarious, like this is what they're wasting their time/energy/political capital on when there is absolutely zero hope that they will ever get the votes to override a veto

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 29 July 2015 18:44 (eight years ago) link

It's to avoid a primary fight at home. But at one point does a voter say, "OK, message received, you want my vote, stop trying and go get laid"?

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 July 2015 18:51 (eight years ago) link

my congressman was just indicted:
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/chaka-fattah-indicted-criminal-charges-philadelphia-mayor-campaign-120775.html

Mordy, Wednesday, 29 July 2015 19:21 (eight years ago) link

this is the second congressman i've voted for to be embroiled in an ethical scandal (i was living in washington heights when charlie rangel got in trouble)

Mordy, Wednesday, 29 July 2015 19:32 (eight years ago) link

It's amazing to me how cheaply these dudes get bought

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 29 July 2015 20:00 (eight years ago) link

there's a whole like political science theory about that

go hang a salami I'm a canal, adam (silby), Wednesday, 29 July 2015 20:02 (eight years ago) link

or maybe just daily kos memes idk

go hang a salami I'm a canal, adam (silby), Wednesday, 29 July 2015 20:04 (eight years ago) link

Phil Gramm has thoughts on the 5th anniversary of Dodd-Frank:

GRAMM: It’s the one form of bigotry that is still allowed in America, and that’s bigotry against the successful … My friend Ed Whitacre at AT&T, if there’s ever been an exploited worker, even though they made a big deal about him getting $75 million when he retired, the man added billions of dollars of value, he was exploited, it was an outrage!

(his exploited friend was actually given a $158 million retirement package, not $75)

1992 ball boy (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 29 July 2015 20:54 (eight years ago) link

an OUTRAGE

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 29 July 2015 20:55 (eight years ago) link

think of all the ivory backscratchers he was unjustly deprived of

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 29 July 2015 20:55 (eight years ago) link

the soft bigotry of high retirement packages

brownie, Wednesday, 29 July 2015 20:56 (eight years ago) link

his wife was on the enron board I wonder what her severance was

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 29 July 2015 20:59 (eight years ago) link

bennies

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Wednesday, 29 July 2015 21:23 (eight years ago) link

otm

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 July 2015 21:28 (eight years ago) link

Forgot that when you retire you get to keep all the money you made your company.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 29 July 2015 22:55 (eight years ago) link

The truly exploited people are the poor saps forced to use an AT&T service.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 29 July 2015 23:10 (eight years ago) link

there is a funny kernel in Gramm's line of reasoning in that his argument is predicated on the (basically socialist) concept that shareholders have an ethical obligation to share their earnings with the workers that generated them. What's telling about Gramm's conception of the situation is that he takes it as a given that the CEOs working at the top are *actually doing the hardest work most deserving of compensation* - those farther down the ladder, their work is not as deserving/is less important. There's a basic, rock bottom elitism there.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 29 July 2015 23:22 (eight years ago) link

so uh how bad is this Planned Parenthood blowup going to get?

(and is ilx talking about this somewhere else?)

big fat rascal (will), Friday, 31 July 2015 00:45 (eight years ago) link

Former president Jimmy Carter said Tuesday on the nationally syndicated radio show the Thom Hartmann Program that the United States is now an “oligarchy” in which “unlimited political bribery” has created “a complete subversion of our political system as a payoff to major contributors.” Both Democrats and Republicans, Carter said, “look upon this unlimited money as a great benefit to themselves.”

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/07/30/jimmy-carter-u-s-oligarchy-unlimited-political-bribery/

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Friday, 31 July 2015 15:36 (eight years ago) link

Been that way since the beginning fwiw

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 31 July 2015 15:36 (eight years ago) link

i knew that was coming. Things are substantially worse than they were 40 years ago.

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Friday, 31 July 2015 15:40 (eight years ago) link

Been that way since the beginning fwiw

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, July 31, 2015 11:36 AM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i knew that was coming. Things are substantially worse than they were 40 years ago.

― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius),

did you guys switch identities?

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 31 July 2015 15:52 (eight years ago) link

lol

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 31 July 2015 15:55 (eight years ago) link

It is Friday.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 31 July 2015 15:56 (eight years ago) link

Oh no, we both clicked on that link AT THE SAME TIME

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 31 July 2015 15:56 (eight years ago) link

ha

Οὖτις, Friday, 31 July 2015 16:13 (eight years ago) link

Will endear each of them to millions.

http://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/bush-clinton-cover.jpg?quality=65&strip=color&w=814

clemenza, Friday, 31 July 2015 21:41 (eight years ago) link

gross

Οὖτις, Friday, 31 July 2015 21:46 (eight years ago) link

why does Time Magazine still exist anyway

Οὖτις, Friday, 31 July 2015 21:46 (eight years ago) link

People wanna know what's happening in the world, week by week. The people who work during the day, and can read it small. And it's concise, and there's pictures in it. A certain class of people--it's a class of people that take the magazine seriously. I read it on the airplanes.

clemenza, Friday, 31 July 2015 21:53 (eight years ago) link

Obama going refreshingly off-script in his announcement of the Clean Power Plan, which is still live right now if anyone's reading this.

1992 ball boy (Karl Malone), Monday, 3 August 2015 18:37 (eight years ago) link

great link thx Karl

gonna be a lot of talk about this around my office

Οὖτις, Monday, 3 August 2015 18:40 (eight years ago) link

yeah, there's gonna be a million lawsuits, too

1992 ball boy (Karl Malone), Monday, 3 August 2015 18:41 (eight years ago) link

yeah I should hit up my former coworkers who went into energy/environmental law

Οὖτις, Monday, 3 August 2015 18:48 (eight years ago) link

http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0411/Murray_stunned_government_might_shutter_over_Planned_Parenthood.html

Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.) said Thursday that Republican pressure to include a rider to a budget deal defunding Planned Parenthood is “stunning” to her as a woman and that Senate leadership will not back down in their support of women’s health issues.

“I am really stunned. And I am angry as a woman that we have come to this after weeks of negotiating on numbers… that there are those in the Republican party in the House who are willing to shutdown the government, take people’s paychecks away from them because they want to deny women access to health care in this country,” Murray told reporters. “Every woman and every man in this country ought to be saying, ‘What are you doing?’”

Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said repeatedly Thursday that the spending talks between Senate Democrats, the White House and Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) essentially have broken down in the 11th hour not over figures but over “ideology.”

goole, Monday, 3 August 2015 19:03 (eight years ago) link

i was naive to think that the GOP's ransom/govt. shutdown strategy would be limited to years in which democrats and republicans split control of congress. now i realize it's EVERY YEAR. shit, even if they controlled both houses of congress + the presidency, i could see them threatening to shut down the govt

1992 ball boy (Karl Malone), Monday, 3 August 2015 19:09 (eight years ago) link

If you value your health, don't read the comments.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 August 2015 19:15 (eight years ago) link

i read the first one (which featured MAMAGRAMS in all caps) and closed the tab

1992 ball boy (Karl Malone), Monday, 3 August 2015 19:15 (eight years ago) link

I would never work for the government if my paycheck got held hostage every 4 months

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 3 August 2015 19:18 (eight years ago) link

we usually end up getting backpay, but it does throw a colossal wrench into everyone's work

1992 ball boy (Karl Malone), Monday, 3 August 2015 19:20 (eight years ago) link

And we have to deal with the Chinese hackers stealing our identity and our bank accounts. Thanks OPM.

Mr. Snrub, Monday, 3 August 2015 20:18 (eight years ago) link

Planned Parenthood defunding failed (gee what a surprise)

Οὖτις, Monday, 3 August 2015 22:47 (eight years ago) link

I forgot about that verse in "I'm Just a Bill on Capitol Hill" that starts with the making of a hoax/attack video

Οὖτις, Monday, 3 August 2015 22:58 (eight years ago) link

have ppl talked about jade helm anywhere on here?

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/camp-shelby-gunfire-soldier-reports-more-shots-fired-at-mississippi-military-facility/

this is nuts

goole, Wednesday, 5 August 2015 15:47 (eight years ago) link

Greenwald on the Iran-deal speech that made some ppl all gooey:

Two recent foreign policy moves are major positive items on Obama’s legacy: normalization of relations with Cuba and agreeing to this deal with Iran. But, as he himself just proudly touted yesterday, the overall record of the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize laureate is one of violence, militarism and aggression that has left a pile of dead bodies of innocent people. That Obama feels the need (or desire) to boast about how many countries he’s bombed, and that the only mainstream criticisms of him in the Iran debate is that he is too unwilling to use more aggression and force, says a lot about Obama, but even more about U.S. political culture. And none of what it says is good.

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/08/06/obama-summarizes-record/

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 6 August 2015 20:24 (eight years ago) link

Totally true. That's why the Iran deal is the best possible.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 August 2015 20:35 (eight years ago) link

i would pay top euro to see greenwald interview the president's anger translator, luther, about aggression, force, U.S. political culture, and the 2009 nobel peace prize

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 6 August 2015 20:40 (eight years ago) link

xxxp ugh didn't know this jade helm nonsense has expanded from tx, sorry rest of america

art, Thursday, 6 August 2015 20:43 (eight years ago) link

i know that's a comedy sketch ref, but Obama has gotten plenty angry IRL 'to his left' if you pay close attention.

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 6 August 2015 20:45 (eight years ago) link

xp

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 6 August 2015 20:45 (eight years ago) link

he kept america safe compared to the last bozo. he is not christ though true

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 6 August 2015 20:48 (eight years ago) link

congrats on religifyin' the Not Perfect meme

i do forget how many whistleblowers Christ threw in jail tbh

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 6 August 2015 20:51 (eight years ago) link

you're still assuming that intelligent people can't separate the appalling from the terrible, I see.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 August 2015 20:52 (eight years ago) link

You can't see that the Iran deal is good coming out of an administration whose Libya/drone policy is terrible.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 August 2015 20:53 (eight years ago) link

that's a new one! xp

someone on my friend's FB feed literally said the next Dem president would bring on the extinction event more slowly

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 6 August 2015 20:54 (eight years ago) link

i don't want to go to war with iran. not sure about greenwald

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 6 August 2015 20:57 (eight years ago) link

you don't want to go to war with greenwald

chinavision!, Thursday, 6 August 2015 21:00 (eight years ago) link

‏@ggreenwald
Everything about Chuck Schumer's career should make this Iran Deal moment utterly unsurprising: amazing Dem pick to be next Majority Leader.

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Friday, 7 August 2015 14:21 (eight years ago) link

I'm disgusted but not surprised. In exchange he's supposedly not persuading other Dems to follow suit (which is why Gillibrand went on record supporting the deal a couple weeks ago)

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 August 2015 14:24 (eight years ago) link

yes, they are NY's very own calculated Good Cop Bad Cop.

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Friday, 7 August 2015 14:26 (eight years ago) link

former ilxor does well for himself

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Friday, 7 August 2015 17:09 (eight years ago) link

http://data.whicdn.com/images/68810376/large.jpg

goole, Friday, 7 August 2015 17:12 (eight years ago) link

LOL

schwantz, Friday, 7 August 2015 20:36 (eight years ago) link

i kinda thought that's what Gov McGreevey did

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Friday, 7 August 2015 20:39 (eight years ago) link

Charles Pierce: "I am willing to believe that Senator Chuck Schumer bailed on the Iran deal because he knows that the deal is safe and, therefore, had a free one as regards to a contentious constituent issue. But it also does mean that he shouldn't be allowed within 20 yards of the Democratic Senate leadership."

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 8 August 2015 12:35 (eight years ago) link

So maybe you saw that Governor Bentley of Alabama made a big deal about pulling the state's funding of Planned Parenthood because that seems like the thing to do this month. Now it's been revealed that the state was only giving $5,000 to PP in the first place. Not a typo.

That's some stand you're taking, Bentley!

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 8 August 2015 14:29 (eight years ago) link

Have we posted much itt about Scott Walker's campaign finance corruption case? That decision that the WI Supreme Court just handed down is such garbage.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 9 August 2015 16:45 (eight years ago) link

“If the Government were required to provide full notice of its reasons for placing an individual on the No Fly List and to turn over all evidence (both incriminating and exculpatory) supporting the No Fly determination, the No Fly redress process would place highly sensitive national security information directly in the hands of terrorist organizations and other adversaries,” the assistant director of the FBI’s counterterrorism division, Michael Steinbach, wrote in a declaration to Brown.

Terrorist organizations would have “every incentive” to manipulate the Department of Homeland Security’s procedures for challenging no-fly list inclusion, Steinbach argued, “in order to discover whether they or their members are subject to investigation or intelligence operations, what sources and methods the Government employs to obtain information or what type of intelligence information is sufficient to trigger an investigation in the first place”.

Sounds very reasonable, until you realize that there is no evidence that any of these 'predictive intelligence methods' have any proved connection to any desired outcome. It appears the government is just profiling on a huge scale and using the no-fly list to intimidate large numbers of people by signaling to them they are under active suspicion.

Aimless, Monday, 10 August 2015 21:56 (eight years ago) link

a friend of a friend of mine got sent back from NYC via heathrow because he was allegedly on the no fly list.. unfortunately he was born in saudi arabia and is an engineer. think he has a scottish passport too.

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 10 August 2015 22:21 (eight years ago) link

@ggreenwald Glenn Greenwald retweeted David Frum
Same people who justified this now scampering to find justifications for the huge exception about to be made...

Obama and leakers: Who are the eight charged under the Espionage Act?

Obama has prosecuted more people under the 100-year-old act than any other president

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2013/12/5/obama-and-leakerswhoaretheeightchargedunderespionageact.html

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 12 August 2015 15:24 (eight years ago) link

btw p good article about the Kansas GOP budget circus in the NYT mAG last weekend.

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 12 August 2015 16:09 (eight years ago) link

Planning the post-presidency.. The best part:

"his drink of choice at the gatherings is an extra-dry Grey Goose martini"

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 17 August 2015 12:15 (eight years ago) link

I used to like Obama but that is an abhorrent drink to order

List of people who are ready for woe and how we know this (seandalai), Monday, 17 August 2015 22:20 (eight years ago) link

Bob Menendez also against Iran deal

should be blasted into deep space with Schumer

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 19 August 2015 19:32 (eight years ago) link

this article makes my eyes bleed

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obama-lawsuit-20150820-story.html

In May, U.S. District Judge Rosemary Collyer voiced exasperation when a Justice Department lawyer tried to explain why the Obama administration was entitled to spend the money without the approval of Congress. Why is that "not an insult to the Constitution?" Collyer asked.

US DC Judge Collyer is a George W. Bush appointee and was appointed by John Roberts to be a judge on the FISA court. A real impartial judge.

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 20 August 2015 16:36 (eight years ago) link

claire mccaskill kicks scott brown in the balls

http://nymag.com/thecut/2015/08/drinking-beer-with-senator-claire-mccaskill.html

I'm about to ask her what she thinks of Scott Walker, but McCaskill has a question of her own. "What's Scott Brown up to these days?" I tell her that the last I heard he was appearing as a guest on a celebrity cruise and pushing diet pills.

"No! Who goes on a celebrity cruise ship to see Scott Brown?" she scoffs. "Do people even know who he is? Wow. He will do anything to show his body. It was so surreal, all of the women in the Senate used to talk about how he would figure out some way, every time he had a conversation, to work in something about his body. Like, 'I was on the treadmill in the gym this morning and I saw you on MSNBC,' or 'You know, I was running at lunch today and' — and he did it to all of us! We all compared notes."

goole, Friday, 21 August 2015 15:54 (eight years ago) link

Scott Walker and Scott Brown are two different people I am confused

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 August 2015 16:24 (eight years ago) link

former US president Scott Brown

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 21 August 2015 17:12 (eight years ago) link

pink leather hotpants Scott Brown?

teaparty.fireants.inthepants.net (doo dah), Friday, 21 August 2015 19:29 (eight years ago) link

McCaskill is feeling herself in the most delightful way

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Friday, 21 August 2015 19:38 (eight years ago) link

Have we posted much itt about Scott Walker's campaign finance corruption case? That decision that the WI Supreme Court just handed down is such garbage.

I for one want to hear more about this, I haven't managed to try to read this opinion yet.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 21 August 2015 20:04 (eight years ago) link

Kevin Drum's list of Obama's lame duck accomplishments. Impressive for progressivism with the glaring, awful exception of TPP.

1. Normalized relations with Cuba.

2. Signed a climate deal with China.

3. Issued new EPA ozone rules.

4. Successfully argued in favor of same-sex marriage before the Supreme Court.

5. Put in place economic sanctions on Russia that have Vladimir Putin reeling.

6. Pressured the FCC to approve net neutrality rules.

7. Issued new EPA coal regulations.

8. Issued an executive order on immigration.

9. Got fast track authority for TPP and seems poised to pass it.

10. Signed a nuclear deal with Iran and appears on track to get it passed.

11. Won yet another Supreme Court case keeping Obamacare intact.

12. Issued new rules that increase the number of “managers” who qualify for overtime pay.

13. Presided over the birth of twin giant panda babies at Washington, D.C.’s, National Zoo.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 00:44 (eight years ago) link

don't forget all those lovely sunsets

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 01:52 (eight years ago) link

and Arctic drilling!

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 26 August 2015 01:55 (eight years ago) link

With little fanfare, the Obama administration has been pursuing an aggressive campaign to restore protections for workers that have been eroded by business activism, conservative governance and the evolution of the economy in recent decades.

In the last two months alone, the administration has introduced a series of regulatory changes. Among them: a rule that would make millions more Americans eligible for extra overtime pay, and a guidance suggesting that many employers are misclassifying workers as contractors and therefore depriving them of basic workplace protections. That is an issue central to the growth of so-called gig economy companies like Uber.

A little more than a week ago, a federal appeals panel affirmed an earlier regulation granting nearly 2 million previously exempted home care workers minimum wage and overtime protections. And on Thursday, President Obama’s appointees to the National Labor Relations Board issued an important ruling that makes it easier for employees of contractors and franchises to bargain collectively with the corporations that have sway over their operations.

“These moves constitute the most impressive and, in my view, laudable attempt to update labor and employment law in many decades,” said Benjamin I. Sachs, a professor at Harvard Law School and a former assistant general counsel for the Service Employees International Union. The goal, he said, is to “keep pace with changes in the structure of the labor market and the way work is organized. That’s a theme that runs through all of this.”

In one sense, Mr. Obama foreshadowed these efforts as a candidate in 2008, when he famously suggested that, if elected, he would aim to be a Democratic version of Ronald Reagan. “Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not,” he told a newspaper editorial board in Nevada. “He put us on a fundamentally different path because the country was ready for it.”

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 31 August 2015 10:56 (eight years ago) link

giving Mt McKinley its old native name oughta be really popular with the loudest people

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Monday, 31 August 2015 11:10 (eight years ago) link

"Sounds like a Kenyan name to me..."

how's life, Monday, 31 August 2015 11:19 (eight years ago) link

Yep, no surprise its getting lots of attention. I did not realize that Alaska Republicans want to call it Denali though.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/mt-mckinley-becomes-the-newest-conservative-molehill/2015/08/31/057ae37e-5014-11e5-933e-7d06c647a395_story.html

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 1 September 2015 17:02 (eight years ago) link

Laura Ingraham's Website: 'McKinley Assassinated Again' By Obama Decision about an hour ago

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 1 September 2015 17:10 (eight years ago) link

i read that as Laura Ingalls

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb1fWW17bnY

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 1 September 2015 17:26 (eight years ago) link

hilarious that all these OH politicians (OH is birthplace of mckinley) are talking about denali rename being a "insulting to all ohioans"........it's in fucking alaska dudes, nobody in ohio gives a shit, that mountain is thousands of miles away from ohio

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/denali-obama-mckinley-ohio

marcos, Tuesday, 1 September 2015 17:33 (eight years ago) link

the Brietbart.com take on Denali was particularly foul

a silly gif of awkward larping (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 1 September 2015 17:35 (eight years ago) link

When the issue is entirely symbolic, they must ratchet up the rhetoric to the boiling point, because no one cares about lukewarm symbolism.

Aimless, Tuesday, 1 September 2015 18:09 (eight years ago) link

"Sounds like a Kenyan name to me..."

Not sure if you thought of that yourself, but this meme hit my facebook today:

https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HR.148689519967&pid=15.1&P=0&w=300&h=300

Half as cool as Man Sized Action (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 1 September 2015 18:45 (eight years ago) link

living in denali

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 1 September 2015 18:48 (eight years ago) link

lol at this flap

The Alaska Board of Geographic Names changed the name of the mountain to Denali in 1975, which is how it is called locally.[6][26] However, a request in 1975 from the Alaska state legislature to the United States Board on Geographic Names to do the same at the federal level was blocked by Ohio congressman Ralph Regula, whose district included McKinley's hometown of Canton.[27]

BLACK POWER

and, inevitably (though fast):

Donald Trump, apparently assuming he will secure the White House, tweeted on Monday evening that he would reverse the decision announced by President Obama to change the name of Alaska's Mount McKinley back to the traditional name Denali, saying it is an affront to the Buckeye State.

"President Obama wants to change the name of Mt. McKinley to Denali after more than 100 years. Great insult to Ohio. I will change back!" read the tweet, issued from the account of the real estate mogul.

tbh you'd think Ohio would be glad to start to shed associations with at least one of the half-dozen or so terrible presidents they've bequeathed to the union. if there's anything still named after harding, grant, and either of the harrisons, i hope obama jumps on those too.

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3263/3151733223_b4dfb62716_z.jpg

also it's high time somebody took bold action on butter mount rushmore

Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 1 September 2015 19:38 (eight years ago) link

apparently turd blossom karl rove is writing a book about mckinley, whose career he wanted gwb to emulate so fucking hard

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 1 September 2015 19:52 (eight years ago) link

i don't know if he cared about dubya being mckinley as long as he got to be mark hanna

balls, Tuesday, 1 September 2015 20:17 (eight years ago) link

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2015/09/03/the-daily-202-contract-with-the-nrcc-the-deal-gopers-make-to-get-reelected/

The closely-held document offers a window into how much autonomy lawmakers often must forfeit to unelected Washington insiders. For instance, in exchange for reelection support, lawmakers must promise to exclusively use vendors sanctioned by establishment-aligned party chieftains, attend training sessions and raise six figures for the NRCC. They must also commit to holding a certain amount of cash-on-hand at the end of each fundraising quarter and limit their spending. These goals are tailored to the individual member, so someone who sits on a prominent committee (say Financial Services) would be expected to bring in a bigger haul. And let’s face it, some of the goals are simply smart ways for members to prepare early in the era of the permanent campaign.

goole, Thursday, 3 September 2015 16:43 (eight years ago) link

ex-gawkerer Adam Weinstein comments:

https://twitter.com/AdamWeinstein/status/639475602563706884

goole, Thursday, 3 September 2015 16:44 (eight years ago) link

lewis "memo" powell v3.0

http://gawker.com/leaked-files-show-how-the-heritage-foundation-navigates-1727706821

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 10 September 2015 01:38 (eight years ago) link

Heritage F. donors views---

At lunch, Bob was characteristically passionate, but this time so no much against the Muslims, but against liberals and socialists. He said that everytime he meets a liberal/leftist person, he says “well, I guess you’re a mass murderer in training, because that’s where your ideology leads.”

curmudgeon, Thursday, 10 September 2015 12:25 (eight years ago) link

otm

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 September 2015 15:15 (eight years ago) link

So, what rationale do republicans invoke when denying 9/11 first responders medical benefits?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 17 September 2015 21:33 (eight years ago) link

Some dodge the question, but it is amazing how many voted no the first time around and now don't want to renew it

Republican Lamar Alexander from Tenn

“The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has assured us that funds remain available through the first part of next year to keep the program operating while Congress works to complete bipartisan legislation to extend this crucial program while making important reforms and improvements,” Alexander said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jon-stewart-911-responders_55fad254e4b08820d9178ea4

curmudgeon, Friday, 18 September 2015 13:58 (eight years ago) link

omg did the GOP-controlled House just pass a symbolic bill that has no chance of passage?!? stop the presses

Οὖτις, Friday, 18 September 2015 21:29 (eight years ago) link

They're gonna keep passing these symbolic ones, and probably shut down the government rather than work on a budget that can get signed

curmudgeon, Saturday, 19 September 2015 15:40 (eight years ago) link

and we will all keep getting OMG THE GOP JUST DESTROYED THE UNIVERSE fundraising emails from the DNC

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 19 September 2015 15:45 (eight years ago) link

Vicki Vale. Vick...Vicki Vale

Hammer Smashed Bagels, Saturday, 19 September 2015 16:00 (eight years ago) link

I mean I'm angry...not cos it means anything, but just cos of the offensive rhetoric.

Hammer Smashed Bagels, Saturday, 19 September 2015 16:01 (eight years ago) link

I'm getting the DNC emails, I'm getting support Bernie emails from others, and as a fed in the DC area I'm getting the shutdown coming media coverage...politics sometimes seems like the Groundhog Day movie but with some slight variations

curmudgeon, Saturday, 19 September 2015 16:31 (eight years ago) link

"Have you bought your Pay per view coverage of the shutdown? "

Hammer Smashed Bagels, Saturday, 19 September 2015 16:39 (eight years ago) link

You Won't Believe What the House Just Did

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 19 September 2015 16:39 (eight years ago) link

And of course the Washington Post with their equivalencies

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/are-democrats-and-republicans-talking-about-the-same-country/2015/09/18/7e6de048-5e32-11e5-b38e-06883aacba64_story.html

To the Democratic candidates, the 2016 presidential campaign is about shrinking the gap between rich and poor; combating climate change; and expanding voting rights, gay rights and workplace equality for women.

To listen to the Republican candidates is to hear an entirely different campaign — one that centers on defeating Islamic State terrorists, deterring a nuclear Iran, restricting abortion, and debating whether to deport illegal immigrants and construct a wall to keep them out.

At a political moment of pitched voter anxiety, candidates in both parties talk in dark, sometimes apocalyptic tones — but about different issues, as if they’re addressing two different countries.

curmudgeon, Saturday, 19 September 2015 16:45 (eight years ago) link

Spending US money mostly on foreign issues: the new face of trickle down economics.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 19 September 2015 16:48 (eight years ago) link

Or I guess trickle up, since America is the top country.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 19 September 2015 16:48 (eight years ago) link

Everyone please stop citing the Washington Post as if it were a newspaper at all, let alone the great newspaper that created that brand.

Three Word Username, Saturday, 19 September 2015 16:54 (eight years ago) link

The writer leaves out that Jeb, Trump and the others do largely want to continue with trickle down economics and cut taxes for the rich (but now with a few bait and switch efforts to imply they are helping the middle class as well)

curmudgeon, Saturday, 19 September 2015 17:00 (eight years ago) link

Please don't let nuance and truth get in the way of a good narrative

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Saturday, 19 September 2015 17:41 (eight years ago) link

^^^ what I tell students

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 19 September 2015 17:43 (eight years ago) link

John Boehner retiring from Congress at the end of October. Can't wait to see what crawls up out of the earth to run for his seat.

the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Friday, 25 September 2015 13:51 (eight years ago) link

ugh sets the stage for shutdown over PP

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 25 September 2015 13:52 (eight years ago) link

speaker gohmert imo

mookieproof, Friday, 25 September 2015 14:07 (eight years ago) link

worst speaker ever

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 25 September 2015 14:46 (eight years ago) link

He wanted the job at the moment when it became the equivalent of Louis XVI inheriting the crown. In another age he might’ve been a dependable hack, useful after a round of negotiations in conference rooms with billowing Marlboro Red smoke. Instead he became a doleful nobody and respected by no one.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 25 September 2015 14:50 (eight years ago) link

You could sort of say the same for both Reid and McConnell. The Senate is more manageable than the House, but the age of mandatory 60-vote majorities has made it pretty hard to actually get anything done.

something totally new, it’s the AOR of the twenty first century (tipsy mothra), Friday, 25 September 2015 15:10 (eight years ago) link

Reid and McConnell both in much better control of their caucuses than Boehner ever was

Οὖτις, Friday, 25 September 2015 15:23 (eight years ago) link

chances of shutdown just rose from 75% to around 190% or so

1997 ball boy (Karl Malone), Friday, 25 September 2015 15:26 (eight years ago) link

oh wait...i'm totally wrong

The shocking move, first reported by The New York Times, means there’s unlikely to be a government shutdown next week. Following Boehner’s announcement, House Republicans said there was agreement to pass a clean spending bill to avert a government shutdown. Several members of the Freedom Caucus, the conservative group which led the revolt against Boehner’s leadership, said they will now support the spending bill without demands to defund Planned Parenthood attached to it.

“The commitment has been made that there will be no shutdown,” said Rep. John Fleming (R-La.).

ooook

1997 ball boy (Karl Malone), Friday, 25 September 2015 15:29 (eight years ago) link

wth is going on

Οὖτις, Friday, 25 September 2015 15:35 (eight years ago) link

Never really struck me as the mad genius behind it all...

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 25 September 2015 15:35 (eight years ago) link

i had assumed that this was mainly about the freedom caucus trying to show their base that they were serious about abortion. but it turns out that their main objective was just ousting boehner?

1997 ball boy (Karl Malone), Friday, 25 September 2015 15:36 (eight years ago) link

Instead of threatening government shutdowns they should just all resign.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 25 September 2015 15:36 (eight years ago) link

so was the whole shutdown thing a ploy by the right-est wing of the gop to discredit boehner all along or what this doesn't compute

all my friends are vampires (art), Friday, 25 September 2015 15:37 (eight years ago) link

wth is going on

no idea. i thought i understood the underlying dynamics of this, but apparently i have no fucking clue

1997 ball boy (Karl Malone), Friday, 25 September 2015 15:37 (eight years ago) link

lololol

Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) got a standing ovation when he broke the news House Speaker John Boehner's resignation to the packed ballroom at the 2015 Values Voter Summit in Washington.

"Just a few moments ago, Speaker Boehner announced he is resigning," Rubio started, and before he could finish the sentence, the ballroom erupted.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/marco-rubio-john-boehner-values-voter-summit-comments

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 25 September 2015 15:39 (eight years ago) link

it's just so weird to see the cheering far-right go crazy at news of boehner's resignation (see the link alfred just posted) and then pair that with backing down on PP.

"we finally ousted the RINO who was preventing us from defunding planned parenthood! in return, we agreed to fund the government, including planned parenthood. hooray!"

i mean, that's certainly good news, but i don't understand the logic for them

1997 ball boy (Karl Malone), Friday, 25 September 2015 15:43 (eight years ago) link

no idea. i thought i understood the underlying dynamics of this, but apparently i have no fucking clue

yeah me too, this is v befuddling. It seems unlikely the freedom caucus had a clear path to votes to unseat him, so why did he resign? is he just sick of it? did the freedom caucus offer to avert the shutdown if he just resigned, so he fell on his sword? was this even about PP at all, or was it all just about how much the caucus hates Boehner?

Οὖτις, Friday, 25 September 2015 15:44 (eight years ago) link

was this even about PP at all, or was it all just about how much the caucus hates Boehner?

doesn't this kind of call into question the motives for the previous shutdowns as well? freedom caucus playing the long game

all my friends are vampires (art), Friday, 25 September 2015 15:46 (eight years ago) link

I saw it proposed on twitter that Boehner might do a bi-partisan agreement, perhaps even longterm funding, since the tea party caucus now has no leverage over him. They might want to remove that danger, by proposing clean shortterm bill. Then begin putting pressure on next speaker to do as he's told.

Frederik B, Friday, 25 September 2015 15:47 (eight years ago) link

starting to think GOP caucus is just 100% chaotic evil

Οὖτις, Friday, 25 September 2015 15:47 (eight years ago) link

"I'll give up my job, which I'm sick of anyway, if you'll sign a clean spending bill." --maybe?
xps

Exit, pursued by Yogi Berra (WilliamC), Friday, 25 September 2015 15:48 (eight years ago) link

currently yeah it looks like that's what happened

Οὖτις, Friday, 25 September 2015 15:49 (eight years ago) link

But what are they celebrating? The switch from Boehner to McCarthy? McCarthy is more popular with conservatives, but he's still going to have to deal with the same things that Boehner did. It's not like suddenly the far right agenda can be pushed through now that evil liberal Boehner is out of the picture.

1997 ball boy (Karl Malone), Friday, 25 September 2015 15:50 (eight years ago) link

NRO:

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 25 September 2015 15:51 (eight years ago) link

In the hours after Pope Francis addressed a joint meeting of Congress yesterday, Speaker Boehner told his leadership team he had a plan to defund Planned Parenthood by including money for the bill in a reconciliation bill, rather than shutting down the entire federal government. Many conservatives who felt passionately about the issue revolted and there appeared to be about 30 to 40 Republicans who were insisting they wouldn’t go along with a stopgap funding bill that didn’t defund Planned Parenthood. As CNN reported last night: “Boehner summoned to his office some of the conservatives who are threatening him. Mulvaney, Rep. Matt Salmon, R-Arizona, Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, Rep. Reid Ribble, R-Wisconsin, and Rep. Raul Labrador, R-Idaho arrived at the speaker’s office Thursday afternoon. On his way in, Mulvaney said he felt like he was being called ‘to the principal’s office.’” But none of the rebels would budge, once again threateing Boehner’s hold over the House. The pressure on Boehner was building from both sides. Senator Ted Cruz accused Boehner of “surrender.” But a letter to all House Republicans from eleven freshmen in marginal districts said their party should avoid an “unnecessary and harmful government shutdown” and support a short-term funding bill. So Boehner decided to pop the boil by resigning. “Nothing is likely to better to force members to pause and re-evaulate where the House is going and force people to come together than a dramatic shakeup,” one House Republican told me. “The venom may have been taken out of this debate and could a strategy that gets us out of the government shutdown debate.” House majority leader Kevin McCarthy is the most likely to succeed Boehner since any opponents would have little time to prepare a campaign.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 25 September 2015 15:51 (eight years ago) link

Eric Erickson:

The truth is that conservatives alone did not have the votes to end Rep. John Boehner (R-OH) N/A%‘s tenure. Conservatives may not like it that I say this, but it is true. There were only twenty or so conservatives holding fast against Boehner, but their numbers did grow closer to thirty, which put Boehner in need of Democratic votes.

That said, Boehner was losing more than thirty votes in the end and whoever is the next Speaker should understand why.

Mathematically, there are only about 21 conservatives in the House of Representatives who are repeatedly anti-Boehner. That Rep. John Boehner (R-OH) N/A% cut bad deals with President Obama or that Rep. John Boehner (R-OH) N/A% negotiated with Mitch McConnnell or even that Rep. John Boehner (R-OH) N/A% wanted to fund Planned Parenthood really was not going to affect that.

What was affecting Boehner was an increasing unwillingness to give anyone a seat at the table he did not like. Conservatives knew they could not do business with Boehner, but it became increasingly obvious that no one else could do business with Boehner if they were not already in his club. He relied more and more on outside voices, which played to caricatures of an out of touch Speaker.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 25 September 2015 15:53 (eight years ago) link

It's not like suddenly the far right agenda can be pushed through now that evil liberal Boehner is out of the picture.

no one in the House caucus can count votes, apparently

Οὖτις, Friday, 25 September 2015 16:04 (eight years ago) link

lmao erickson: "the truth is, we are not the center of the universe, but boehner failed because we are the center of the universe"

goole, Friday, 25 September 2015 16:09 (eight years ago) link

Conservatives knew they could not do business with Boehner

didn't realize that 'do what we say' = 'do business'

mookieproof, Friday, 25 September 2015 16:11 (eight years ago) link

Is he resigning his Speakership, or from Congress?

:wq (Leee), Friday, 25 September 2015 16:13 (eight years ago) link

headlines indicate he's vacating his seat

all my friends are vampires (art), Friday, 25 September 2015 16:14 (eight years ago) link

presumably to go cry in his G&T

Οὖτις, Friday, 25 September 2015 16:15 (eight years ago) link

Boehner moved a few steps over and closed his eyes for a moment, seeming to recall what it was like for him as Pope Francis entered the Capitol. His blue eyes grew moist and his voice shaky. He asked me to stand inches from him, in essence standing in for Pope Francis as he recreated the scene, perhaps hoping to savor the rush of it all again while the memory was fresh.

Sherman and I looked at each other, both a little uncomfortable. But Boehner’s unprompted interest in telling us the details about his own experience was too compelling to leave. We listened.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 25 September 2015 16:17 (eight years ago) link

Faced with watching the same awful movie again, Boehner decided to offer himself as a sacrifice to conservatives who wanted him out: I will leave if you vote to keep the government open. Oklahoma Rep. Jim Bridenstine, one of the most vocal opponents of Boehner, summed it up during remarks at the Values Voters Summit in Washington on Friday.

Luke Russert ✔ @LukeRussert
Rep. Bridenstine (R-OK) at Value Voters Summit: "bad news, Leadership told us we have 2 fund PP, amnesty, Ocare Good:getting new Leadership"
10:38 AM - 25 Sep 2015

The truth was that Boehner and his allies knew that a coup attempt was brewing and that putting it down would have taken considerable effort and was not a sure thing. North Carolina Rep. Mark Meadows (R) had put in a legislative measure to vacate the chair of the speaker over the summer, and insurrection was in the air.

Boehner, having achieved a life goal of bringing a pope to Capitol Hill, quite clearly saw two paths for his future. The first was to continue banging his head against the wall built against his priorities by the tea party wing of the party. The second was offering his resignation up as a way to try to move the party forward -- in the near term and the long term.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/09/25/john-boehner-just-sacrificed-his-career-for-the-good-of-the-republican-party/

1997 ball boy (Karl Malone), Friday, 25 September 2015 16:17 (eight years ago) link

“So. So, the pope puts his arm around my left arm,” Boehner said as he pulls my arm up to his shoulder. Boehner was now fully committed to acting it out. “Hold on, hold on,” he said as I pulled my arm away. “Let me finish. The pope says to me, ‘Please pray for me.’”

“Please pray for me,” Boehner said as he dipped his head. “He said, ‘Please pray for me.’”

Boehner stood there for another 10 seconds, not saying a word, his hands at his sides, and then turned sharply toward his security detail, the now open doors and a shimmering sunset on Capitol Hill.

As Boehner stepped away, Sherman and I jolted back. I asked if he had anything left to accomplish as speaker, that maybe the pope’s visit was it for him. He narrowed his eyes and issued a gruff but coy, “No.” I wasn’t sure if he meant it as a brush off of the question or an answer to it. Sherman asked if he was resigning. Boehner laughed as he ducked into the back seat, and he was gone.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 25 September 2015 16:19 (eight years ago) link

bizarre. something kind of Nixonian about his pathos.

Οὖτις, Friday, 25 September 2015 16:26 (eight years ago) link

Never knew Costa could be quite this snarky:

“The pope, he comes up the steps right there. He comes right here,” Boehner said, pointing down at my feet. “Right here? I asked. “Right here!” Boehner said, smiling. “Right here. When he gets here, there are all of these kids he is going to bless. And you know how I get.”

“You start crying?” I asked.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 25 September 2015 16:29 (eight years ago) link

worst slashfic ever
xp

a silly gif of awkward larping (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 25 September 2015 16:40 (eight years ago) link

this whole thing is so utterly stupid I cant wrap my head around it..

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 25 September 2015 16:51 (eight years ago) link

I really don't think this is particularly confusing, and I would chalk it up as a pretty big win for the conservative branch of the GOP, at least for the short term. Boehner resigned in exchange for a clean budget and no shutdown. I know that it seems like the conservatives were really eager for a shutdown, but even they know that it would be a disaster, making the GOP look bad while not achieving any of their goals regarding Planned Parenthood. Now they have Boehner's head as a trophy and the cover they need to walk away from the brink without losing face. Of course, they may find themselves back in the same position before long once they realize that they still can't pass their extreme agenda even without Boehner standing in the way.

too young for seapunk (Moodles), Friday, 25 September 2015 17:27 (eight years ago) link

they're going to be right back at square one as soon as the next hot-button right wing extremist cause comes to the fore, and the next speaker's going to have the same exact problem as Boehner. Pretending like Boehner was the problem - and not the basic math - is idiotic, but hey these people are idiots.

Οὖτις, Friday, 25 September 2015 17:30 (eight years ago) link

Now they have Boehner's head as a trophy and the cover they need to walk away from the brink without losing face.

going back to my fake quote earlier:

"we finally ousted the RINO who was preventing us from defunding planned parenthood! in return, we agreed to fund the government, including planned parenthood. hooray!"

i still don't understand why the 20-30 freedom caucusers would feel free to vote to fund PP at this particular moment, as all the diehard conservatives are slapping each other on the back. wouldn't they be falling on the sword as well, to do that at this point?

1997 ball boy (Karl Malone), Friday, 25 September 2015 17:49 (eight years ago) link

They think they'll have a clearer path forward to defunding PP, and a lot more ultracon objectives on top of that, with a Speaker they can push around and take lunch money from.

Exit, pursued by Yogi Berra (WilliamC), Friday, 25 September 2015 17:56 (eight years ago) link

exactly, plus they can show their constituents that they stood up to the hated speaker

too young for seapunk (Moodles), Friday, 25 September 2015 17:56 (eight years ago) link

i.e., they're showing an alarming ability to think in the longer term and use basic tools like the thighbone of a wild pig. sxp

Exit, pursued by Yogi Berra (WilliamC), Friday, 25 September 2015 17:58 (eight years ago) link

lol

Οὖτις, Friday, 25 September 2015 17:58 (eight years ago) link

man, politics got especially italianate today, thanks pope

goole, Friday, 25 September 2015 18:08 (eight years ago) link

Pierce:

​Way I figure it is this. In their private chat yesterday, Boehner explained to the pope the problems he was having with the flying monkey caucus, and Papa Francesco who, after all, heads a bureaucracy with a long history as a seething cauldron of ambition, scandal, murder and betrayal, as well as a unique tradition of crazy institutional proceedings (See: Cadaver Synod), listened to Boehner's plight and said, mildly, "Jesus H. Christ in a Fiat, my son, these people crazy. Get out while you can." That's the way I'm going to figure it, anyway.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a38246/john-boehner-the-inmates-running-asylum/

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Friday, 25 September 2015 18:20 (eight years ago) link

yeah I dont know when the GOP decided to switch to the parliamentary form of governance but it seems to be what were working with now

xp

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 25 September 2015 18:21 (eight years ago) link

Now's Boehner's chance to throw his hat into the GOP presidency ring. He could run as a moderate. I mean, who knows that else the Pope told him?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 25 September 2015 19:27 (eight years ago) link

Pareene: http://gawker.com/dont-cry-for-john-boehner-1733048706

Because he was dealing with a Congressional caucus increasingly made up of ideologues and idiots, and because he was occasionally forced to betray conservatives in order to stave off catastrophes, moderate pundits occasionally speak, with some fondness, about John Boehner as man who tried his best to keep his unruly conservative colleagues from doing too much damage.

There is no particular reason to feel any sympathy for the man.

John Boehner was and is an unprincipled ward-heeler who simply couldn’t weather the transition of the Republican Party from a corporatist party with a sizable conservative base to a purely conservative party. Boehner came to power when the priorities of the House Republican caucus were driven by what was effectively straight-up bribery, and his power came from his close ties to industry lobbies. This is the guy, as we all ought to be regularly reminded, who passed out checks from tobacco companies on the floor of the House.

Boehner’s problems as speaker stemmed from the fact that the conservative base that the Republican donor class exploited for a generation is now effectively in complete control of the party. Ironically, that control was solidified by the same event, the 2010 midterm election, that put Boehner into the speaker’s chair.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 25 September 2015 19:53 (eight years ago) link

god the last thing we need is another point of evidence for the right wing that they can frustrate and harass their way to victory

goole, Friday, 25 September 2015 19:56 (eight years ago) link

They can in the ruthlessly gerrymandered House. Harder in the Senate, and very hard in a national election. My guess is it's 2030 before demographic shifts really put the House in play again, so we've got a long ride here.

something totally new, it’s the AOR of the twenty first century (tipsy mothra), Friday, 25 September 2015 20:09 (eight years ago) link

The question is, how much more can an even more conservative leadership hamper legislation? Can only imagine how horrific it will be to watch the Tea Partiers face off against Clinton.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 25 September 2015 20:35 (eight years ago) link

nice start to the press conference, really

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11D6AVD3gAI

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Friday, 25 September 2015 23:29 (eight years ago) link

I've mentioned this story. In 2008 my political reporter friend, in DC for color, hung out on Election Day at the National Democratic Club. An hour after Barack Hussein Obama had been declared the winner. In walks Boehner, not sober. "You guys ran a helluva campaign. My hats off to ya," he said at the bar. Whereupon he bought everyone at the club a drink. My friend said Boehner might've had at least 65 packs of Marlboros on his perosn.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 26 September 2015 00:32 (eight years ago) link

boehner bowing out . . . after the pope comes to town . . . following scott walker's lead . . . taking aim at the false profit, the jackass ted cruz . . . to help further narrow the field? and what's the tears?

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/outgoing-boehner-rails-against-republican-false-prophets-on-face-the-nation/

reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 27 September 2015 16:44 (eight years ago) link

So they will get a temporary spending bill through apparently, and then likely the new House leader may shut down the government December 11th, when the temporary one runs out. Always the same kind of fun here in DC

curmudgeon, Monday, 28 September 2015 15:15 (eight years ago) link

ShutDownMas! Wheee!

forbidden fruitarian (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 28 September 2015 15:49 (eight years ago) link

Elizabeth Warren:

I have often spoken about how America built a great middle class. Coming out of the Great Depression, from the 1930s to the late 1970s, as GDP went up, wages went up for most Americans. But there's a dark underbelly to that story. While median family income in America was growing - for both white and African-American families - African-American incomes were only a fraction of white incomes. In the mid-1950s, the median income for African-American families was just a little more than half the income of white families. And the problem went beyond just income. Look at housing: For most middle class families in America, buying a home is the number one way to build wealth. It's a retirement plan-pay off the house and live on Social Security. An investment option-mortgage the house to start a business. It's a way to help the kids get through college, a safety net if someone gets really sick, and, if all goes well and Grandma and Grandpa can hang on to the house until they die, it's a way to give the next generation a boost-extra money to move the family up the ladder. For much of the 20th Century, that's how it worked for generation after generation of white Americans - but not black Americans. Entire legal structures were created to prevent African Americans from building economic security through home ownership. Legally-enforced segregation. Restrictive deeds. Redlining. Land contracts. Coming out of the Great Depression, America built a middle class, but systematic discrimination kept most African-American families from being part of it. State-sanctioned discrimination wasn't limited to homeownership. The government enforced discrimination in public accommodations, discrimination in schools, discrimination in credit-it was a long and spiteful list. Economic justice is not - and has never been - sufficient to ensure racial justice.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 29 September 2015 13:59 (eight years ago) link

bizarre. something kind of Nixonian about his pathos.

"Pray with me, Henry."

pplains, Tuesday, 29 September 2015 14:11 (eight years ago) link

Warren finally nailed it, while on the other side Jeb keeps doubling down on black people and "free stuff," and Trump proclaims folks to poor to pay taxes "winners" while quietly not noting how much he's giving to those who inherit wealth via his plan to get rid of the estate tax

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 29 September 2015 15:59 (eight years ago) link

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-0929-goldberg-boehner-successor-20150929-column.html#navtype=outfit

To replace Boehner, why not Newt Gingrich for speaker?

Jonah Goldberg

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 29 September 2015 20:43 (eight years ago) link

Jonah could pass for Newt's illegitimate son imo

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 29 September 2015 20:44 (eight years ago) link

Jonah could pass for gun on the bottom of your shoe

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 29 September 2015 20:55 (eight years ago) link

man concealed carry has gotten out of hand

pplains, Tuesday, 29 September 2015 23:53 (eight years ago) link

Listening to Al Gore discuss environmental policy and citing books and obscure journal articles (by name!), I think he sounds so intelligent and well informed that I understand why he lost.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 30 September 2015 00:12 (eight years ago) link

he's on Chris Hayes.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 30 September 2015 00:13 (eight years ago) link

He was outsmarted by hanging chads.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 30 September 2015 00:22 (eight years ago) link

still get pissed at 'lol al gore invented the internet' jokes. wasn't crazy about him (i remember him from the 80s)(not talking about pmrc) and though i do think it's an outrage he 'lost' i can't pretend that alot of the catastrophes of the bush era (9/11, afghanistan, the financial collapse) wouldn't have happened anyway if gore had won. some awful policy isn't enacted and some good policies are and the supreme court might look different (though maybe not, and it might look worse). it's not like if carter had won in 80 or even humphrey in 68.

balls, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 01:36 (eight years ago) link

pretty sure Rehnquist would still have died of cancer

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 30 September 2015 01:53 (eight years ago) link

Hmm feel like a couple things are missing from balls' list of dubyasasters what could they be

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 02:19 (eight years ago) link

o yeah there are plenty of dubyasasters that wouldn't have occurred - the new orleans levees specifically were an issue that clinton paid attention to that bush went 'lol whut' and slashed funding for and a gore administration would have mounted a competent response. i can also believe that while we almost definitely wouldn't have occupied iraq that more ops similar to desert fox might have happened. 9/11 probably still happens (maybe al qaeda was a point of emphasis for the clinton administration grasped that bush's new national security team didn't but considering how much of it occurring was the result of missed signals at lower levels i can imagine it still happens), we still go in afghanistan, and even if gore doesn't continue deregulation or emphasise a 'home ownership society' like bush the damage was done on that front, collapse was inevitable w/o changes the democratic party at the time had no interest in broaching nevermind pursuing. at the same time i can imagine that nobody resigns from scotus during his first term (always thought nobody resigning during bush's first term was maybe a result of some understanding following bush v gore), he loses reelection after republicans attack him for allowing 9/11 to happen, for not winning afghanistan/killing bin laden, and for the recession (and god knows what else). the next guy then gets o'connor's retirement and rehnquist's death then maybe get's reelected and at a minimum probably get's souter's seat (jps might have stayed on the court).

balls, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 03:10 (eight years ago) link

I think it's pretty possible Gore would have prevented it. Not above entertaining the notion that an arrogant stance towards foreign affairs could totally lead to Bush seeing a possibly life changing memo and not taking it seriously, thinking "I'd like to see them try then I could do [exactly what his swiftly and effeciently did]". Gore didn't have this baggage did he? Middle Eastern terrorism is what papa Bush cut his teeth on -- he was head of the CIA. It's kind of in the family. So maybe Gore doesn't have that blind spot.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 30 September 2015 03:38 (eight years ago) link

re: balls's scenario - - I dunno, I mean it's not like Kerry or anybody saw any percentage in running on "Bush let 9/11 happen and failed to win Afghanistan and get Bin Laden" ticket in 2004. no reason to assume gore wouldn't still be enjoying some kind of post-9/11 leadership afterglow. incumbency effects are strong, and he'd really have had to just tank his whole first term to lose IMO. obviously these are all hypotheticals and counterfactuals but i don't think it's that easy to just say gore wouldn't have gotten to nominate anybody to the court.

but yeah the big one here is the Iraq war - even if there were "ops similar to desert fox" that doesn't mean a half a million dead (at least), al qaeda in iraq, total fucking chaos from there, abu ghraib etc. etc. i mean we are talking about an absolute disaster of a foreign policy at every level, that was a pet project of this particular administration from before they walked in the door.

will leave someone else to address the economic collapse - i'm just not versed enough in it. always felt to me very much like black monday 87, where the preceding years of deregulation and gutting the SEC enabled this to happen. dunno how much that applies here though or how different it would have been under gore. definitely would not have gotten the bush tax cut, no child left behind, and various other damaging things. but i bet gore would have seized the initiative to finally do something about those terrifying human-animal hybrids. bush was all talk on that one.

Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 30 September 2015 04:47 (eight years ago) link

it's not like Kerry or anybody saw any percentage in running on "Bush let 9/11 happen and failed to win Afghanistan and get Bin Laden" ticket in 2004. no reason to assume gore wouldn't still be enjoying some kind of post-9/11 leadership afterglow.

yeah i think you're misunderstanding what republicans would be willing and able to do in a campaign vs what dems would (i mean the gop used 9/11 against the dems to take back the senate in 02). also i think the public cut bush some slack as he'd been on the job less than eight months, gore would've owned it completely and aspects of how the clinton administration (or really the cia) managed to let bin laden 'get away' after clinton put in place a 'can we plz have some degree of certainty of what we're bombing before we bomb it' rule after pathetic cia intel led to us bombing the chinese embassy in sarajevo (plus a pharmeceutical factory in sudan, though that really wasn't a major motivation in the decision). they've dug for some plausible impeachment case (w/ obama and hillary if need be) w/ benghazi and then acted like just because they didn't find anything doesn't mean they can't as outraged as if they did. they repeat the 'bush kept us safe' line despite, yknow, the bloodiest day in america since antietam, and then get hysterical that obama can't claim the same because of ft hood. i have no doubt the party that superimposed bin laden's face over max cleland's would have blasted gore hard and often for letting 9/11 to occur.

balls, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 05:22 (eight years ago) link

no child left behind had considerable democratic support, ted kennedy was a big fan. education policy in general doesn't really line up neatly along party lines - diane ravitch served in the bush I admin, arne duncan might as well work for the gates foundation.

another thing is that it is very very hard for the veep who gets elected to the white house to get reelected. only two men have managed it and jefferson belonged to a different party than the president and won the white house by beating him while nixon had an 8 year hiatus between his vice presidency and presidency.

balls, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 05:32 (eight years ago) link

i admit it's plausible gore could've prevented 9/11, i mean it's plausible james woods could have prevented it and he couldn't prevent sean young from gluing his dick to his thigh. i just don't think it was likely. failures like that are systemic. not that the bush national security team wasn't especially set up for failure on that front (i can still remember reading the 9/11 commission report and damn near losing my shit after reading that condi rice basically didn't know what al qaeda were on 9/11. they'd only bombed a couple of embassies, a us navy ship, and some barracks (and that's just the plans that succeeded) and we'd only already bombed afghanistan and sudan once in response but i guess that escaped the damn head of the nsa's notice cuz she'd decided this century was going to be about keeping an eye on the russkies), but it's not like there'd been a huge turnover at the fbi and cia after 8 months. they bear responsibility but it's comparable to how a commanding officer bears responsibility when a sentry falls asleep at a post.

balls, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 05:40 (eight years ago) link

xpost very few vice presidents have actually gotten elected president in the first place! adams, jefferson, van buren, coolidge, and poppy bush are the only ones that really fit the bill; truman, coolidge, and johnson ran as incumbents after the death of the president and as you say nixon was running after a gap. so basically in modern times the only reference point is GHWB. not a super robust sample size in terms of making predictions about what could have happened in 2004.

re: no child left behind: sure. but it's one thing to say "a thing bush proposed got some democratic votes" and another to say "gore would have also proposed that thing." sorta like the iraq war. similarly i guess if gore had sat down and tried to sell a random war in iraq he probably could have gotten the votes, but he wouldn't have done that. not saying they were just radically different on education or anything, just different priorities, different attitudes, different constituencies. i dunno, maybe it would have amounted to the same thing or something like it. at the time, "we need to have tough standards to make sure our schools are performing" sounded really good to a lot of people.

Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 30 September 2015 06:04 (eight years ago) link

that's also obama's policy fwiw

balls, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 06:14 (eight years ago) link

I'll try a facile conclusion: had Gore been president, we would've had no Iraq, slightly milder neoliberalism, would've lost the presidency in 2004, and many of the Obama administration victories would've been delayed another 5 to 10 years b/c Obama wouldn't have ever been president.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 30 September 2015 10:50 (eight years ago) link

would've lost the presidency in 2004

This is really debatable though, and requires transplanting the cynicism that came out of GWB's handling of it (and his re-election!) into a timeline without it.

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 10:54 (eight years ago) link

I'm going by history and our not being kind to veeps wanting a second term of their own.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 30 September 2015 11:01 (eight years ago) link

I'm with Doctor Casino on that one - threadbare sabermetrics over a few data points is likely to be less use than the specific circumstances.

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 11:51 (eight years ago) link

Tonight on Counterfactual Theatre

go hang a salami I'm a canal, adam (silby), Wednesday, 30 September 2015 14:49 (eight years ago) link

^^^

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 14:55 (eight years ago) link

education policy in general doesn't really line up neatly along party lines

Yeah. Probably needs its own thread, though there might not be enough education-policy geeks on here to sustain one. I've reported/written a lot about education over the past couple decades, and I think it's the most complicated and frustrating of yr major national/social/cultural issues. Even more than healthcare, which at least has some clear ideological faultlines -- single-payer vs. "private market." In education, you have liberal "reformers" and conservative "reformers," who sometimes seem to agree on some things but sometimes are very far apart. And then you have a bunch of more-or-less defenders of the status quo, who aren't ideological so much as institutional, and you have a massive amount of plain old inertia just making it very hard to ever change anything. There are the profiteers -- the people who make and market textbooks, technology, etc -- who aren't necessarily wedded to any one model, they just want to be first in the door. And there's also this very decentralized power structure, where the feds control some things, the states control others, and local school boards still have a huge amount of authority (because the biggest chunk of most school systems' funding is local). Anyway, it's a mess.

something totally new, it’s the AOR of the twenty first century (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 30 September 2015 15:01 (eight years ago) link

Weird all this talk of a spec Gore presidency and zero mention of kyoto protocol, climate change, energy policy etc

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 15:04 (eight years ago) link

Can we talk for a second about an acquaintance of mine who is running against Sean Duffy in Wisconsin?

http://www.kirkbangstad.com/

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Wednesday, 30 September 2015 15:06 (eight years ago) link

guh i regret the conjecture now. i was more just (internally i guess) heading off 'didn't we almost have it all?' fantasies that spring up over hypothetical gore presidency so I could defend him against that dumb 'lol he invent internet - NOT' meme.

balls, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 15:11 (eight years ago) link

never allude to that Whitney song again, bro

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 30 September 2015 15:16 (eight years ago) link

don't be so emotional

balls, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 15:18 (eight years ago) link

where do broken hearts gore.

pplains, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 15:25 (eight years ago) link

guess not

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Wednesday, 30 September 2015 15:31 (eight years ago) link

i wholeheartedly endorse anyone who wants to take down sean duffy and any means they choose to do so

balls, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 15:57 (eight years ago) link

I haven't actually talked to him in years but a common friend (who works in politics) alerted me to this, which I think is pretty awesome; he's a really great dude.

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Wednesday, 30 September 2015 16:05 (eight years ago) link

(Here's hoping there isn't some nightmarish surprise in his policy positions)

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Wednesday, 30 September 2015 16:06 (eight years ago) link

Does he have a chance? Any other Dems?

pplains, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 16:07 (eight years ago) link

I'll be his baby tonight!

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 30 September 2015 16:07 (eight years ago) link

As far as I know, he is the Dem; I don't think anyone else is in the race.

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Wednesday, 30 September 2015 16:09 (eight years ago) link

I wanna dance wausau body.

pplains, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 16:09 (eight years ago) link

didn't wisconsin have it all?

balls, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 16:17 (eight years ago) link

it's not right (but it's eau claire)

goole, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 16:20 (eight years ago) link

^ winner

balls, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 16:26 (eight years ago) link

beautiful

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Wednesday, 30 September 2015 16:35 (eight years ago) link

just gonna be watchin' football in my Mankato

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 30 September 2015 16:38 (eight years ago) link

just wanted to throw Minn in

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 30 September 2015 16:38 (eight years ago) link

ok i can't tell any of those states apart

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 30 September 2015 16:39 (eight years ago) link

also beautiful

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Wednesday, 30 September 2015 16:52 (eight years ago) link

Kabul, Afghanistan (CNN) - Aerial bombardments blew apart a Doctors Without Borders hospital in the battleground Afghan city of Kunduz about the time of a U.S. airstrike early Saturday, killing at least 19 people, officials said.

@billmon1
London 1940: Civilians throughout the city were killed at about the same time as a German air strike, @CNN reports...

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 4 October 2015 16:41 (eight years ago) link

Further investigation is needed to determine whether the Taliban has acquired a modern air force.

Aimless, Sunday, 4 October 2015 17:45 (eight years ago) link

http://s22.postimg.org/cn78ql8hd/kochswarm.png
I know it's pronounced Koke but that's not how I read it

The Once-ler, Sunday, 4 October 2015 20:57 (eight years ago) link

Greenwald re the bombedy-bomb media tiptoeing

"The U.S. and its allies — in both the Afghan government and its own media — have now switched course from the 'it was a collateral damage mistake' cliché to the proud 'yes we did it and it was justified' boast (indeed, a large bulk of today’s NYT article, ostensibly about the effects of the hospital’s destruction, is actually devoted to giving voice to those who are justifying why the hospital was attacked, even as the framing of the article is designed to suppress the identity of the perpetrator). But from the start, not even the U.S. military had the audacity to try to obscure that they did this. They left that dirty work to their leading media outlets, which, as usual, are more than eager and happy to comply."

https://theintercept.com/2015/10/05/cnn-and-the-nyt-are-deliberately-obscuring-who-perpetrated-the-afghan-hospital-attack/

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Monday, 5 October 2015 15:24 (eight years ago) link

the latest news is that the Afghan forces requested the airstrike. see, they asked for it!

1998 ball boy (Karl Malone), Monday, 5 October 2015 15:27 (eight years ago) link

MSF/DWB:

“MSF is disgusted by the recent statements coming from some Afghanistan government authorities justifying the attack on its hospital in Kunduz. These statements imply that Afghan and US forces working together decided to raze to the ground a fully functioning hospital with more than 180 staff and patients inside because they claim that members of the Taliban were present.

“This amounts to an admission of a war crime. This utterly contradicts the initial attempts of the US government to minimize the attack as ‘collateral damage.’

“There can be no justification for this abhorrent attack on our hospital that resulted in the deaths of MSF staff as they worked and patients as they lay in their beds. MSF reiterates its demand for a full transparent and independent international investigation.”

https://theintercept.com/2015/10/05/the-radically-changing-story-of-the-u-s-airstrike-on-afghan-hospital-from-mistake-to-justification/

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Monday, 5 October 2015 15:33 (eight years ago) link

these doctors appear to be fucking furious. good for them.

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 5 October 2015 17:12 (eight years ago) link

MSF is probably the safest enemy of the Pentagon to donate to, tho i'd like to spread the love around today

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Monday, 5 October 2015 18:08 (eight years ago) link

well, she was in Richard Nixon's company for several years.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 5 October 2015 18:51 (eight years ago) link

Was that Simply Red billboard from East Berlin too?

pplains, Monday, 5 October 2015 18:54 (eight years ago) link

She's since clarified that it was irony.

Frederik B, Monday, 5 October 2015 19:03 (eight years ago) link

other things that work:
-asbestos
-thalidomide
-chemical weapons
-leaded gasoline

all my friends are vampires (art), Monday, 5 October 2015 19:04 (eight years ago) link

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/06/business/trans-pacific-partnership-trade-deal-is-reached.html

Its full 30-chapter text will not be available for perhaps a month, but labor unions, environmentalists and liberal activists are poised to argue that the agreement favors big business over workers and environmental protection. Donald Trump has repeatedly criticized the Pacific trade accord as “a bad deal,” injecting conservative populism into the debate and emboldening some congressional Republicans who fear for local interests like sugar and rice, and many conservatives who oppose Mr. Obama at every turn.

curmudgeon, Monday, 5 October 2015 21:29 (eight years ago) link

Good week for Obama! With TPP, he's guaranteed lots of dough for his library, board positions for Michelle, and lots more corporate thank you's! AND, he got to test how good he's gotten at killing people (as he himself said) by blowing up a hospital! Kids in burning beds! He's so...likable, isn't he?

Iago Galdston, Monday, 5 October 2015 21:33 (eight years ago) link

shd give him another peace prize

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 5 October 2015 21:49 (eight years ago) link

firemccarthy.com

balls, Monday, 5 October 2015 22:25 (eight years ago) link

Cool logo Alan Keyes

JoeStork, Monday, 5 October 2015 22:42 (eight years ago) link

Spencer Ackerman
‏@attackerman

4th time in 4 days US changed story on Kunduz strike.
1: dunno if hospital hit
2. hospital accid hit
3 Afghs call it in
4 US SOF call it in

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 6 October 2015 16:42 (eight years ago) link

WASHINGTON — Representative Jason Chaffetz of Utah admits he is not the best candidate to become speaker of the House. He fully expects to lose when his Republican colleagues pick their nominee on Thursday. But opportunity for Mr. Chaffetz is like the scent of an airport Cinnabon, and he has a habit of racing to its smell.

JoeStork, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 05:14 (eight years ago) link

lol what

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 10:47 (eight years ago) link

hahahahahaha

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 15:36 (eight years ago) link

that is awesome

balls, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 15:38 (eight years ago) link

look, he travels a lot okay, don't judge

a literal scarecrow on a quaint porch (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 15:43 (eight years ago) link

i can almost hear the hunger pangs of the NYT reporter writing that

1998 ball boy (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 15:45 (eight years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDxuaOgtaUA

Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 16:19 (eight years ago) link

loving Eric Cantor's expression: "Alright, asshole, whatcha got?"

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 16:30 (eight years ago) link

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/matt-drudge-interview-obama-isis-issa

Matt Drudge, founder of the Drudge Report, joined radio host Alex Jones for a rare interview on Tuesday during which he spoke about his latest conspiracy theory.

He said that the Obama administration began referring to the Islamic State as "ISIS" so that the group would be confused with Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA), the former chairman of the House Oversight Committee.

"We never heard of ISIS until recently," Drudge told Jones. "Do you know it was designed to be confused with Darrell Issa?"

According to Drudge, President Obama decided to do that "because Darrell Issa was the enemy at the time of this administration." He noted that Obama could have been impeached over the IRS scandal, which Issa investigated as chairman.

"They came up with the name ISIS to be confused with Darrell Issa. I’m really being honest with you," Drudge said.

Drudge did not appear in the video of Jones' interview with him, and Jones said that Drudge stood in the dark in the studio with a handheld microphone.

goole, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 19:17 (eight years ago) link

whoa dude

goole, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 19:17 (eight years ago) link

tinfoil is in aisle six

a literal scarecrow on a quaint porch (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 19:18 (eight years ago) link

interesting how obama still calls them 'ISIL'

all my friends are vampires (art), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 19:27 (eight years ago) link

wait, you don't know why he does that, do you?

let's just say i hope you don't any stock in Lysol

1998 ball boy (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 19:30 (eight years ago) link

he's tired of being ISILated by Congress

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 19:33 (eight years ago) link

surprised that drudge didn't arrive at that conclusion via a detour through egyptian mythology

wizzz! (amateurist), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 20:48 (eight years ago) link

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/08/world/middleeast/russia-syria-conflict.html

At certain points in Wednesday’s fighting, rebels fired advanced TOW antitank missiles, supplied covertly by the C.I.A., at Syria’s Russian-made tanks, leaving the impression of a proxy war between Russia and the United States. Videos posted by rebel groups, including the American-backed Division 17 and Suqour al-Ghab, showed the guided missiles sailing toward approaching tanks and destroying them.

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 21:00 (eight years ago) link

probably the wrong thread for that but idk shit seems crazy

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 21:02 (eight years ago) link

We are this close to that scene in Iron Man where Tony Stark sees a bomb about to blow up and it has his name on it.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 21:04 (eight years ago) link

, leaving the impression of a proxy war between Russia and the United States.

"the impression"

wizzz! (amateurist), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 21:08 (eight years ago) link

is there no thread on Syria? besides MENA? russia is supporting assad, who the U.S. opposes. russia is bombing some but not all of the rebel groups. U.S. is supporting some but not all of those rebel groups. everyone hates ISIS. things are getting even more messed up, somehow.

1998 ball boy (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 21:10 (eight years ago) link

oh btw happy birthday Putin. what a marvelous gift to yourself

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 21:14 (eight years ago) link

back in american politics, it looks like the freedom caucus (god i hate typing that) isn't going to vote for mccarthy:

...Just as I was getting ready to push publish on this post, we got word that the 'Freedom Caucus' has chosen to vote for Daniel Webster, a far right member of the House who among other things is closely tied to the now-disgraced, cult leader beloved and followed by the Duggar family.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/if-only-they-had-boehner

1998 ball boy (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 21:15 (eight years ago) link

looool

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 21:20 (eight years ago) link

While it's unlikely that the 40-or-so member caucus will be enough to thwart McCarthy's selection in the closed-door GOP conference Thursday, their refusal to support him spells trouble for when the issue comes to the full House, where 218 votes will be required to elect the next speaker.

House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (D-MD) suggested Tuesday that Democrats will vote for Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), meaning if enough Republicans continue to resist McCarthy as speaker, it could set the stage for a protracted floor fight.

well this should be fun

1998 ball boy (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 21:27 (eight years ago) link

these idiots can't seem to accomplish anything without it becoming a fucking fiasco

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 21:40 (eight years ago) link

Don't the parties always vote for their own anyway?

pplains, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 21:54 (eight years ago) link

I mean, I've mentioned this before, but in our state assembly a few years ago, the Democratic minority sided with a a minority of Republicans to elevate a moderate GOP candidate to Speaker over the more extreme GOP candidate the majority of Republicans favored.

Now, that's not how it works on the federal level - each party nominates a candidate and then they take a vote. So who gives a fuck what Steny Hoyer has to say?

pplains, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 21:56 (eight years ago) link

Pelosi's been saying that for years.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 21:59 (eight years ago) link

they are inspired in their ability to continue to distract everyone from their refusal to do anything but what needs to be done -- raise taxes on ultra rich assholes

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 22:10 (eight years ago) link

or something like that

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 22:11 (eight years ago) link

is there no thread on Syria? besides MENA? russia is supporting assad, who the U.S. opposes. russia is bombing some but not all of the rebel groups. U.S. is supporting some but not all of those rebel groups. everyone hates ISIS. things are getting even more messed up, somehow.

― 1998 ball boy (Karl Malone), Wednesday, October 7, 2015 5:10 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

thanks. keep us posted.

it's not a tuomas (benbbag), Thursday, 8 October 2015 00:41 (eight years ago) link

could you get posted, gabb? i mean "crucified".

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 October 2015 01:19 (eight years ago) link

keep benbbag (flag) posted

lettered and hapful (symsymsym), Thursday, 8 October 2015 05:26 (eight years ago) link

could you get posted, gabb? i mean "crucified".

― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, October 7, 2015 9:19 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

that some kind of watersports thing?

would have offered a drink after La noire de last night, but decided i was more interested in a run than standing by for post-colonialism

it's not a tuomas (benbbag), Thursday, 8 October 2015 05:47 (eight years ago) link

Reports: McCarthy Drops Out Of Speaker Race

welp, you guys ready for a credit default?

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 8 October 2015 16:35 (eight years ago) link

fuckin a can these assholes even do anything

goole, Thursday, 8 October 2015 16:44 (eight years ago) link

you just bumped off your own speaker (has that ever happened btw?) so now what geniuses

goole, Thursday, 8 October 2015 16:45 (eight years ago) link

Speaker Gohmert ftw!

Half as cool as Man Sized Action (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 8 October 2015 16:48 (eight years ago) link

https://twitter.com/cam_joseph/status/652161052340162560

FL Rep Rooney: GOP members "shocked," "crying" after McCarthy announced he's dropping speaker bid. Says Boehner may have to stay.

goole, Thursday, 8 October 2015 16:48 (eight years ago) link

what a fucking farrago. i hate these people so much. ungovernable.

goole, Thursday, 8 October 2015 16:49 (eight years ago) link

this is just delightful. what's the over/under on how long it takes to find a candidate suitably multi-faced to satisfy such a diverse caucus of nuts?

all my friends are vampires (art), Thursday, 8 October 2015 16:49 (eight years ago) link

i might literally die from laughter if boehner has to return

all my friends are vampires (art), Thursday, 8 October 2015 16:49 (eight years ago) link

please let cruz become speaker please please please

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 8 October 2015 16:51 (eight years ago) link

hes in the senate tho

all my friends are vampires (art), Thursday, 8 October 2015 16:51 (eight years ago) link

plz let Clarence Thomas become speaker

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 October 2015 16:51 (eight years ago) link

The time has come: Morbz for Speaker.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 8 October 2015 16:58 (eight years ago) link

hes in the senate tho

doesn't matter, Speaker doesn't have to be a member of the House

Οὖτις, Thursday, 8 October 2015 17:02 (eight years ago) link

(for the record)

Οὖτις, Thursday, 8 October 2015 17:02 (eight years ago) link

Speakers don't have to be members of the House, opening the door to the Morbs/Thomas/Cruz troika.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 8 October 2015 17:02 (eight years ago) link

yeesssssss

Οὖτις, Thursday, 8 October 2015 17:03 (eight years ago) link

yeah the constitution only says 'the house shall chose a speaker'

technically its "chuse" wacky old americans..

"The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment."

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 8 October 2015 17:03 (eight years ago) link

xp how about that, thanks for the clarification. apparently if wikipedia is to be trusted, there has never been a speaker elected from outside the house but there could be and hey why not now lebron james for speaker '15

all my friends are vampires (art), Thursday, 8 October 2015 17:04 (eight years ago) link

or maybe get one of those dogs that can walk on his hind legs and put him in a little dog suit and let him walk around and conduct congressional business like a little rory calhoun

all my friends are vampires (art), Thursday, 8 October 2015 17:06 (eight years ago) link

Some scuttlebutt here that McCarthy was facing a Robert Livingston situation, who knows. Might be worth reading this one as the day goes on for more randomness:

http://hotair.com/archives/2015/10/08/breaking-kevin-mccarthy-takes-himself-out-of-speaker-race/

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 8 October 2015 17:06 (eight years ago) link

Obviously the next Speaker of the House should be Kris Jenner.

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Thursday, 8 October 2015 17:07 (eight years ago) link

Update: Peter Suderman of Reason points to this prophetic joke that an unwitting Boehner told a few days ago: “I had this terrible nightmare last night that I was trying to get out and I couldn’t get out.”

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 October 2015 17:12 (eight years ago) link

So does anyone want to do the Godfather III photoshop or...

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 8 October 2015 17:12 (eight years ago) link

Anyway, further:

Update: For what it’s worth, McCarthy denied that Walter Jones’s letter was a factor in his decision to drop out. As for possible replacements, names like Tom Price, Cathy McMorris-Rodgers, and Peter Roskam are being kicked around right now by commentators. No one expects Jason Chaffetz or Daniel Webster, who were longshots against McCarthy, to be major factors at the moment.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 8 October 2015 17:14 (eight years ago) link

lol

RobinHMasters Luan Dao • 8 minutes ago

Marco Rubio. He has experience as Speaker of the Florida House and won't be running for re-election to the Senate.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 October 2015 17:23 (eight years ago) link

so rumors are that rumors of an affair ruined mccarthy

the rumors are that he had an affair with rep renee elmers

these rumors were mostly stoked and repeated by Chuck C Johnson at 'gotnews'

if true the floorshitter is running our government

goole, Thursday, 8 October 2015 17:32 (eight years ago) link

maybe they can bring dennis hastert back

wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 8 October 2015 18:01 (eight years ago) link

it's funny cuz they did it to themselves

kinda sucks for the rest of us tho

Οὖτις, Thursday, 8 October 2015 18:04 (eight years ago) link

Rep. Peter King tells me that members are crying in cloakroom, unable to handle the unrest and confusion. "A banana republic," he says.

yes, exactly like a banana republic

1998 ball boy (Karl Malone), Thursday, 8 October 2015 18:05 (eight years ago) link

fistfights next I hope

Οὖτις, Thursday, 8 October 2015 18:06 (eight years ago) link

but remember when the founding fathers gathered in the cloakroom and cried for a long time

1998 ball boy (Karl Malone), Thursday, 8 October 2015 18:07 (eight years ago) link

go full taiwan

goole, Thursday, 8 October 2015 18:07 (eight years ago) link

alexander hamilton is so MEAN

1998 ball boy (Karl Malone), Thursday, 8 October 2015 18:07 (eight years ago) link

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legislative_violence#United_States

goole, Thursday, 8 October 2015 18:08 (eight years ago) link

they should just have a duel. a circular duel. with submachine guns.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 8 October 2015 18:08 (eight years ago) link

in the cloakroom

Οὖτις, Thursday, 8 October 2015 18:08 (eight years ago) link

Yes, yes this should happen.

https://twitter.com/LisaDNews/status/652186642111967236

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 8 October 2015 18:24 (eight years ago) link

Speaker Chaffetz

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 October 2015 18:25 (eight years ago) link

i mean how many cloaks do these fckers even HAVE anyways

forbidden fruitarian (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 8 October 2015 18:26 (eight years ago) link

isnt romney the king of the fucking RINOs

I dont believe in anything anymore

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 8 October 2015 18:32 (eight years ago) link

yeah even in the fantasy world of a non-congressperson Speaker, Romney is a laughable solution to this self-imposed dilemma. nobody likes him but i like that they're at the stage of desperation where convincing themselves that somewhere else in the republican party, far away from congress, there is a unifying champion waiting to ride in on horseback and save the day if only he is called forth. oddly, whatever this person is doing right now, they are not running for president because boy would that present an opportunity.

Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 8 October 2015 18:35 (eight years ago) link

Trump for speaker

Οὖτις, Thursday, 8 October 2015 18:37 (eight years ago) link

oh... my god

http://www.redstate.com/2015/10/08/the-renee-ellmers-rumor-and-kevin-mccarthys-decision/

goole, Thursday, 8 October 2015 18:39 (eight years ago) link

There’s a guy out in America who has emails for a massive number of members of Congress and the email addresses of highly influential conservatives outside Congress.

A few days ago, he emailed out to 91 people, including these members of Congress, an email with a series of links to stories alleging a relationship between Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) 61% and Rep. Renee Ellmers (R-NC) 60% of North Carolina. It is worth nothing that the two deny a relationship.

But the email began circulating pretty heavily. Conservatives were buzzing about it. The first line pointed to the current scandal about Denny Hastert and concluded suggesting that if the rumor about McCarthy and his personal life were true, he was a national security risk.

goole, Thursday, 8 October 2015 18:41 (eight years ago) link

the first sentence of this article about how conservatives turned against their candidate for speak begins "There’s a guy out in America who has emails..."

goole, Thursday, 8 October 2015 18:42 (eight years ago) link

by all means read the comments and how they refer to Rep. Ellmers.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 October 2015 18:43 (eight years ago) link

consistent, engaged moderation is key to a thriving web community:

streiff Mod • 2 hours ago
it that is the case, McCarthy not only has poor judgment but a complete lack of ambition. If a powerful member of congress can't get better strange than Ellmers then he is not worthy of a leadership position.

goole, Thursday, 8 October 2015 18:45 (eight years ago) link

gets worse

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 October 2015 18:47 (eight years ago) link

I'm not clicking on a redstate link

Οὖτις, Thursday, 8 October 2015 18:49 (eight years ago) link

their purity scores embedded every time a congressman's name is listed are both distracting and disturbing

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 8 October 2015 18:52 (eight years ago) link

MCCARTHY WITHDRAWS, DENIES ESSENCE TO CAUCUS

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 8 October 2015 19:13 (eight years ago) link

this whole thing reminds me of those people that insist on owning dangerous wild animals as pets cuz they think it makes them cool and badass and in touch with real wild animals and then one day they get eaten by their dangerous wild animal pets

Οὖτις, Thursday, 8 October 2015 19:57 (eight years ago) link

https://twitter.com/costareports/status/652211197840916483

BREAKING: BOEHNER IS PERSONALLY ASKING RYAN TO STEP UP AND BE SPEAKER, have spoken twice today by phone...

goole, Thursday, 8 October 2015 20:01 (eight years ago) link

haha

Οὖτις, Thursday, 8 October 2015 20:13 (eight years ago) link

We cut to this live shot of Boehner in this office:

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/dMbcOC5dS5k/hqdefault.jpg

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 8 October 2015 20:14 (eight years ago) link

:D

https://twitter.com/laurennfrench/status/652177633770348545

Pelosi on speaker race: "I’m sure they’ll find somebody who is capable of accepting the honor."

goole, Thursday, 8 October 2015 20:46 (eight years ago) link

love ya Nan, never change

Οὖτις, Thursday, 8 October 2015 20:47 (eight years ago) link

WELL THEN

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2573731

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 8 October 2015 21:12 (eight years ago) link

"Maybe this is a time for Newt Gingrich to come back with a flurry of ideas and a new contract that would advance a conservative agenda to help the country solve these horrible problems," Hannity told Gingrich.

Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 8 October 2015 21:13 (eight years ago) link

YESSSSS

space stations a-go-go!

Οὖτις, Thursday, 8 October 2015 21:15 (eight years ago) link

Gingrich used "practical" and "House Republican Caucus" in the same sentence.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 October 2015 21:17 (eight years ago) link

on the other hand, he knows how to count

Οὖτις, Thursday, 8 October 2015 21:18 (eight years ago) link

the House GOP Caucus meanwhile can't read or write

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 October 2015 21:19 (eight years ago) link

"If you were to say to me 218 have called you up and given you their pledge, obviously no citizen could ever turn down that kind of challenge. This is why George Washington came out of retirement — because there are moments you can't avoid."

Keep aiming for the stars, Newt.

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 8 October 2015 22:40 (eight years ago) link

this is the most fun politics has been in a while imo

tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 8 October 2015 22:54 (eight years ago) link

I wonder what it would take for the GOP to really, literally splinter - if a majority of the GOP caucus just said "fuck you guys, we're voting with whatever Democrats we can get" and just ignored the Freedom Caucus's demands outright. I mean it's not gonna happen but I just wonder how bad things would have to get for party unity to be completely destroyed.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 8 October 2015 22:57 (eight years ago) link

because at this point GOP party unity is achieving literally nothing

Οὖτις, Thursday, 8 October 2015 22:58 (eight years ago) link

loool

Οὖτις, Thursday, 8 October 2015 23:21 (eight years ago) link

lol

Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 8 October 2015 23:24 (eight years ago) link

I wonder what it would take for the GOP to really, literally splinter - if a majority of the GOP caucus just said "fuck you guys, we're voting with whatever Democrats we can get" and just ignored the Freedom Caucus's demands outright. I mean it's not gonna happen but I just wonder how bad things would have to get for party unity to be completely destroyed.

My guess is that the freedom caucus tea party types are literal death cultists, and having tasted blood won't vote for any leader other than one of their own. Is anyone allowed on the floor ballot other than the two party nominees?

pizza rolls are a food that exists (silby), Friday, 9 October 2015 00:39 (eight years ago) link

https://twitter.com/jonfavs/status/652206597876256769

lol

balls, Friday, 9 October 2015 02:07 (eight years ago) link

uh, doesn't the speaker have to be a sitting congressperson?!?!? what's with the romney and gingrich stuff?

wizzz! (amateurist), Friday, 9 October 2015 02:23 (eight years ago) link

speaker only has to be over 25, like w/ car rentals

balls, Friday, 9 October 2015 02:24 (eight years ago) link

2015 American Politics Thread: The 114th Congress Is in the House!

pplains, Friday, 9 October 2015 02:25 (eight years ago) link

I don't see why Democrats would help elect a Republican - once in office he'd still kowtow to his caucus and it's not like Republicans wouldn't back him if the Democrats tried to unseat him.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 9 October 2015 02:41 (eight years ago) link

well whaddya know

The Constitution does not require that the Speaker be an elected House Representative, though all Speakers have been an elected Member of Congress.

wizzz! (amateurist), Friday, 9 October 2015 02:44 (eight years ago) link

yeah allen west picked up some protest votes last time around and he'd already lost his seat

balls, Friday, 9 October 2015 02:45 (eight years ago) link

similarly there are rumours of a draft eric cantor movement afoot which would be so fucking hilarious

would imagine any deal between moderate republicans (which is who again exactly?_ and dems would carry with it certain concessions on what would be brought to the floor for a vote (ie no hastert rule), debt limit, etc. even then think any republicans that went w/ it would be guaranteeing they'd be primaried next year, which in theory might be benefit enough for dems - either those republicans get picked off by some tea party maniac that can't win in the general (presuming tea party challengers have picked off any moderate/establishment gop congressmen they stood a chance at beating by now)(which may be a presumption too far - cantor just lost last year) or the moderate wins and their support is depressed. i'm not sure how i'd feel about a ryan speakership (other than him declining it so far as well as opting out of running for president might mean he really is the brains of the gop), it could obv destroy him (someone somewhere was comparing it to the king's hand in game of thrones and saying ryan's not stupid, he saw what happened to ned stark) but there is the possibility that he unites the party enough and manages to pass and sell a conservative agenda more effectively than any recent gop speaker. idk. do think even if he does stay out it would be funny if dems voted for him anyway and see if they can spook some republicans into voting for him. it's not like you have to have the permission of the person you're voting for speaker to vote for them, i'm pretty sure john lewis didn't give john barrow permission to vote for him so the gop couldn't use 'he voted for pelosi!' against him.

balls, Friday, 9 October 2015 02:57 (eight years ago) link

it would be funny if dems voted for him anyway

i have a hunch the outcome of this will be boring and disappointing but i'm praying for lols of this level

goole, Friday, 9 October 2015 13:54 (eight years ago) link

didn't vox run an explainer on the history of speakership voting after it came up in house of cards lol

goole, Friday, 9 October 2015 13:55 (eight years ago) link

I'm already tired of the Republican and mainstream media Paul Ryan lovefest. Maybe he will turn down the chance to run for speaker too.

curmudgeon, Friday, 9 October 2015 14:48 (eight years ago) link

the Washington press will act like it's 2011 again. It can't wait.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 October 2015 14:49 (eight years ago) link

he's already showing off his replacement gavel
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/811195/thumbs/s-PAUL-RYAN-WORKOUT-large640.jpg?6

too young for seapunk (Moodles), Friday, 9 October 2015 15:00 (eight years ago) link

you know, 'rock bottom' even for vile entities is not always helpful in the grand scheme

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Friday, 9 October 2015 15:01 (eight years ago) link

would imagine any deal between moderate republicans (which is who again exactly?_ and dems would carry with it certain concessions on what would be brought to the floor for a vote (ie no hastert rule), debt limit, etc. even then think any republicans that went w/ it would be guaranteeing they'd be primaried next year, which in theory might be benefit enough for dems

otm. Pelosi is smart and ruthless enough to extract serious concessions, and depending on the districts Republicans would be at risk of being primaried as RINOs - neither of those are things the "establishment" GOP would be willing to risk.

Οὖτις, Friday, 9 October 2015 15:29 (eight years ago) link

Anyone have a link to what the whip count is if the Freedom Caucus decides not to vote for the GOP nominee on the floor? Would Dem nominee win with a plurality?

pizza rolls are a food that exists (silby), Friday, 9 October 2015 17:09 (eight years ago) link

Dem nominee couldn't win without GOP votes and come on the GOP is not going to hand over control of the House to the minority

Οὖτις, Friday, 9 October 2015 17:13 (eight years ago) link

oh wait I see what you're saying - is the Dem caucus larger than the GOP caucus less the Freedom Caucus and could they elect their own speaker that way

Οὖτις, Friday, 9 October 2015 17:14 (eight years ago) link

Right

pizza rolls are a food that exists (silby), Friday, 9 October 2015 17:14 (eight years ago) link

Dems have 188, who I'm sure would go for Pelosi
GOP has 247 though, so even less 40 Freedom Caucus members, they still outnumber the Dems by a substantial margin.

218 is required for the majority. so like I said upthread, Dem nominee would need GOP votes, which is just not gonna happen. Now, the GOP nominee *could* win if they jettison the Freedom Caucus in favor of Dem votes, but (as also discussed upthread) this is political suicide on a scale the GOP just won't consider imo.

Οὖτις, Friday, 9 October 2015 17:17 (eight years ago) link

I mean, if the Freedom Caucus really were crazy/stupid enough to prefer going down in flames voting for a "true conservative" type candidate, and enough non-caucus members wanted to grab some of the glory, I guess that could happen? But as unlikely as that is, it's even more unlikely they would let that status quo last for long - I mean they are crazy but once Pelosi was actually in charge of what gets to the floor, how many blocked Republican bills would it take before they either came to their senses or found their constituents back home going "wtf are you doing"?

More likely - which is to say, still extremely unlikely - would be the establishment GOP and Dems agreeing on some kind of "compromise" Republican candidate, who would have to be a really fucking convincing moderate for the Dems to be remotely interested. I mean in the end, once the Speaker is in office, there is very little the minority voters could do to control them and nothing would keep them from basically behaving like Boehner until the Freedom Caucus gets wise and the process starts over again. It would make more sense for the Dems to stonewall the whole business and say "you can't unite your own party around a speaker when you have a huge gerrymandered majority in Congress, let's let America watch this play out for a while."

Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Friday, 9 October 2015 17:23 (eight years ago) link

If that were to happen, the GOP would just whine that Dems are obstructing the course of the government.

:wq (Leee), Friday, 9 October 2015 17:25 (eight years ago) link

lol I can't see that flying except in the heart of the right-wing echo chamber. I mean the US was pretty clearly able to suss out who was obstructing what when it came to things as dramatic as the Gingrich/Clinton budget shutdown. I think "the Republicans have a majority but can't manage to agree on a speaker so nothing is getting done in Congress" is bite-sized enough to carry the day.

Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Friday, 9 October 2015 17:28 (eight years ago) link

Important to keep in mind: GOP voters don't want their congressmen to govern – they want congressmen to obstruct.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 October 2015 17:30 (eight years ago) link

^^^

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Friday, 9 October 2015 17:36 (eight years ago) link

probably won't be satisfied until they burn down the capitol building tbh

Οὖτις, Friday, 9 October 2015 17:45 (eight years ago) link

Yeah I think they believe Washington is total waste of time. They also unabashedly like having their biases confirmed, so.

rap is dad (it's a boy!), Friday, 9 October 2015 17:49 (eight years ago) link

would be the establishment GOP and Dems agreeing on some kind of "compromise" Republican candidate, who would have to be a really fucking convincing moderate for the Dems to be remotely interested

no way would Pelosi go for this, she would extract real, concrete concessions (probably in the form of legislation being passed ahead of the speaker election, but I'm just guessin/spitballin), otherwise its in her and the Dems interest to let them twist in the wind

Οὖτις, Friday, 9 October 2015 17:53 (eight years ago) link

judging by their past behavior the Freedom Caucus would like to vote for a conservative who will lose, brag about that for a while, then get mad at the speaker in 6-9 mos, force him to quit, and do it all over again.

i don't know why they can't work out which dozen or so of the FC will vote for the "moderate establishment" candidate so they can get on with it. but a lot of these people seem too fanatical to be calculating

goole, Friday, 9 October 2015 17:55 (eight years ago) link

that's what i'm saying, afaik there has been very very little cross-party voting shenanigans when it comes to speakership, and i doubt it would start now. i don't know exactly why but i'm sure the logic is pretty airtight

goole, Friday, 9 October 2015 17:57 (eight years ago) link

It's this guy, writ large:
http://www.criminalelement.com/images/stories/-2015-Jul-Sep/show-me-a-hero-alfred-molina.jpg

schwantz, Friday, 9 October 2015 17:57 (eight years ago) link

seems that Ryan would walk away from presidential viability (whatever he has) if he were to take the speakership. don't know the historical record, but given the membership he'd front for. assume that's part (most?) of what's driving his no.

by the light of the burning Citroën, Friday, 9 October 2015 18:01 (eight years ago) link

funny details:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/blindsided-by-mccarthy-divided-gop-struggles-to-find-boehners-successor/2015/10/08/5078a374-6de8-11e5-aa5b-f78a98956699_story.html

There had been reasons to doubt that. Last month, McCarthy had embarrassed Republicans by suggesting that the House committee to investigate the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi, Libya, was designed to score political points. Two days before, a back-bencher who opposed McCarthy circulated a vague letter asking whether any top Republicans had committed “misdeeds.” One day before, McCarthy had been formally rejected by the House’s hard-right caucus.

goole, Friday, 9 October 2015 18:05 (eight years ago) link

McCarthy walked into a third-floor ballroom at the Capitol Hill Club, a bastion of the Republican establishment just south of the Capitol. Waiting for him were dozens of conservatives, including the crucial House Freedom Caucus — a group which says it has about 40 members (the exact number, and the full caucus membership list, are both secret). The Freedom Caucus had pledged to vote as a bloc if 80 percent of them could agree on one candidate.

omg how does the party, or congress at all, permit this. lmao

goole, Friday, 9 October 2015 18:08 (eight years ago) link

huh the "backbencher" who sent the vague letter about hanky-panky was this dude:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2006/01/three-conversions-walter-b-jones

goole, Friday, 9 October 2015 18:11 (eight years ago) link

"We are The Freedom Caucus! We believe in freedom! ps no one is allowed to know who we are"

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Friday, 9 October 2015 18:11 (eight years ago) link

why are they even part of the GOP, they're functionally a different outfit at this point xxps

(extremely nerds voice) (Clay), Friday, 9 October 2015 18:12 (eight years ago) link

how does the party, or congress at all, permit this.

by being a bunch of weak-minded, short-sighted feebs?

Οὖτις, Friday, 9 October 2015 18:12 (eight years ago) link

the first rule of fight club

Exit, pursued by Yogi Berra (WilliamC), Friday, 9 October 2015 18:13 (eight years ago) link

why are they even part of the GOP, they're functionally a different outfit at this point

^^^ this. they can't be counted on for votes, at all, which would be the only reason to keep them in the party. But if the GOP cuts them loose, then they have revealed how weak a hand they actually have.

Οὖτις, Friday, 9 October 2015 18:13 (eight years ago) link

sorry i keep doing this but it's so much fun

In interviews on Thursday, Jones said he didn’t have any hard proof of misconduct by McCarthy or any of the other candidates. Given a chance to confront McCarthy about possible misdeeds at the forum Tuesday night, Jones instead confronted him about an occasion where one of McCarthy’s staffers had been rude to one of his own staffers about the renaming of a post office.

tbh i agree, the rudeness over a post office is more important than mccarthy dicking down another rep

goole, Friday, 9 October 2015 18:14 (eight years ago) link

Meat Loaf for Speaker

xxp

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Friday, 9 October 2015 18:15 (eight years ago) link

The U.S. has repeatedly attacked civilian facilities in the past but the targets have generally not been affiliated with a European, Nobel Peace Prize-winning humanitarian organization such as MSF.

Below is a sampling of such incidents since the 1991 Gulf War.

https://theintercept.com/2015/10/07/a-short-history-of-u-s-bombing-of-civilian-facilities/

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Friday, 9 October 2015 18:28 (eight years ago) link

"We are The Freedom Caucus! We believe in freedom! ps no one is allowed to know who we are"

― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP)

lolll

If the GOP was to take steps to 'cut loose' the Freedom Caucus, what might those steps be?

rap is dad (it's a boy!), Friday, 9 October 2015 18:37 (eight years ago) link

I am going to refer to them as the Klan Kaukus

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Friday, 9 October 2015 18:42 (eight years ago) link

i thought these turds were all supposed to be super proud and strident about american freedom just like they are about being 'christians'

j., Friday, 9 October 2015 18:46 (eight years ago) link

If the GOP was to take steps to 'cut loose' the Freedom Caucus, what might those steps be?

court Dem votes instead

Οὖτις, Friday, 9 October 2015 19:11 (eight years ago) link

If the GOP was to take steps to 'cut loose' the Freedom Caucus, what might those steps be?

https://consumermediallc.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/orkinman.png

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 October 2015 20:04 (eight years ago) link

If the GOP was to take steps to 'cut loose' the Freedom Caucus, what might those steps be?

Since you asked. Theoretically, the Republican leadership, commanding a majority of the Republican caucus in the House or Senate, could expel Freedom Caucus members from their caucus. This would be powerfully symbolic, but would not solve anything, unless there was some kind of ironclad power-sharing arrangement with Democrats in view. So, unless the Freedom Caucus were seen as some kind of existential threat to the Republican party, instead of just a huge headache, the chances of this happening are beyond negligible.

Aimless, Friday, 9 October 2015 20:25 (eight years ago) link

there is no Republican Party though

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 October 2015 20:29 (eight years ago) link

that's the thing. It's 1793.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 October 2015 20:30 (eight years ago) link

There is a Republican party central committee and 50 states, each with a Republican party steering committee, that supposedly run the whole shebang, but of course, they don't.

Aimless, Friday, 9 October 2015 20:34 (eight years ago) link

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/12/us/politics/clinton-emails-became-the-new-focus-of-benghazi-inquiry.html?_r=0

for months, documents and interviews show, the work of the Benghazi committee has been affected by delays and dysfunction.

The process of setting up an electronic system to manage more than 50,000 pages of documents that the committee has assembled is still not complete, meaning that staff members sometimes have to search through boxes to find critical pieces of paper — an almost comical task, staff members said.

They have spent months sparring with Obama administration agencies trying to get documents, eating up time the committee had planned to use investigating the attacks.

With the slow progress, members have engaged in social activities like a wine club nicknamed “Wine Wednesdays,” drinking from glasses imprinted with the words “Glacial Pace,” a dig at Representative Elijah E. Cummings, Democrat of Maryland and the committee’s ranking member, Major Podliska said. Mr. Cummings used the term to question the speed of the committee’s work.

At one point, several Republican staff members formed a gun-buying club and discussed in the committee’s conference room the 9-millimeter Glock handguns they intended to buy and what type of monograms they would inscribe on them, Major Podliska said.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 12 October 2015 18:12 (eight years ago) link

would join that wine club

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 12 October 2015 18:12 (eight years ago) link

more like whine club, amirite.

pplains, Monday, 12 October 2015 18:22 (eight years ago) link

Select committee of wine sipping and glock buying

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 12 October 2015 18:56 (eight years ago) link

frankly i'd recommend a nice chablis with a safe-action pistol

wizzz! (amateurist), Monday, 12 October 2015 18:58 (eight years ago) link

your tax dollars at work everybody!

Οὖτις, Monday, 12 October 2015 19:15 (eight years ago) link

Btw this literally takes a couple hours if this was a civil litigation

The process of setting up an electronic system to manage more than 50,000 pages of documents that the committee has assembled is still not complete, meaning that staff members sometimes have to search through boxes to find critical pieces of paper — an almost comical task, staff members said.

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 12 October 2015 19:27 (eight years ago) link

No I would argue it's extremely comical.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 12 October 2015 23:29 (eight years ago) link

They should get a wineglass that just says "screw you taxpayers".

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 12 October 2015 23:32 (eight years ago) link

"His critics are not true conservatives. They are radical populists who neither understand nor accept the institutions, procedures and traditions that are the basis of constitutional governance."

Surprisingly lucid.

pizza rolls are a food that exists (silby), Tuesday, 13 October 2015 04:44 (eight years ago) link

great quote. Cole is a favorite of the so bad and hated why-can't-we-compromise-and-govern variety of MOR mainstream media "hack".

it's not a tuomas (benbbag), Tuesday, 13 October 2015 06:48 (eight years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/DVHrURO.jpg

oh, that explains paul ryan's reluctance to run

1998 ball boy (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 13 October 2015 13:54 (eight years ago) link

I feel like the current House of Representatives is one of the few things in modern American society that could be accurately described as a tar baby with no briar patch in sight.

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Tuesday, 13 October 2015 14:05 (eight years ago) link

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/13/politics/mitch-mcconnell-entitlement-changes-fiscal-talks/

Here they go again...

McConnell spokesman Don Stewart declined to comment on the GOP leader's proposal in the talks with Democrats, citing the private nature of the fiscal discussions. White House officials also refused to discuss any specific proposals being traded in the talks.

But even though the White House has backed some entitlement changes in the past, notably overhauling how Social Security cost-of-living payments are calculated, a spokeswoman said that the President would not accept them in the current round of negotiations if they were offered.

"Proposals such as raising the eligibility age for Medicare and changing the way Social Security retirement benefits are indexed to inflation are non-starters for the administration and Democrats in Congress," said Jennifer Friedman, a White House spokeswoman.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 13 October 2015 19:18 (eight years ago) link

Everyone but the rich and military get ready to tighten your belts.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 13 October 2015 19:38 (eight years ago) link

pfft I can't afford a belt

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 October 2015 19:40 (eight years ago) link

but you can buy one of those fabric belts in Target for $4 now

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 October 2015 19:42 (eight years ago) link

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balls, Tuesday, 13 October 2015 20:26 (eight years ago) link

he valiant efforts of Senators Mike Lee and Ted Cruz

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 October 2015 20:26 (eight years ago) link

the most loyal voters in his own party

haha isn't the problem here that they are actually totally disloyal and unreliable

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 October 2015 20:29 (eight years ago) link

eric hoffer to thread obv

balls, Tuesday, 13 October 2015 20:29 (eight years ago) link

the nra sends out like 12 emails like that daily from like 12 different branches and pacs plus an insane amount of pitches to sell merchandise. like once an hour or so, like kos + moveon + dnc + ofa cubed

balls, Tuesday, 13 October 2015 20:32 (eight years ago) link

Where was Ryan's concern for his family when he was up for VP? VP is, granted, a pretty chill job, but one with the potential to morph into a different job - one which is famously pretty demanding?

forbidden fruitarian (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 13 October 2015 20:52 (eight years ago) link

that excuse is a total dodge but presumably his children are different ages

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 October 2015 20:55 (eight years ago) link

now

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 October 2015 20:55 (eight years ago) link

what about the children in the House

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 October 2015 21:02 (eight years ago) link

From the McConnell article:

"This is the same GOP congressional leadership that has failed to repeal ObamaCare, defund Planned Parenthood, stop the Iranian nuclear deal, build the Keystone pipeline, defend traditional marriage, secure the border, and reject Obama's illegal executive amnesty," Huckabee said. "But now we should trust them to 'reform' Social Security and Medicare -in exchange for more deficit spending and endless debt?"

And they say conservatives are paid to not govern!

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 14 October 2015 09:12 (eight years ago) link

They love endless debt if it went away they would have to come up w a new trump card for cutting things that help the non-rich.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 14 October 2015 15:25 (eight years ago) link

iswydt

pplains, Wednesday, 14 October 2015 15:59 (eight years ago) link

I'm half assuming Ryan is just hoping everyone leaves him alone at this stage.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 14 October 2015 16:26 (eight years ago) link

So the original indictment said : Each of the two charges carries a penalty of as much as five years in prison and a $250,000 fine, the prosecutor’s office said. Mr. Hastert is to appear at an arraignment at a future date, the prosecutors said.

The plea deal might allow him to avoid jail and keep his misdeeds secret.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 15 October 2015 15:04 (eight years ago) link

pissed about O's "revised" Afghanistan withdrawal plan, cue Morbz' "I told you so"

Οὖτις, Thursday, 15 October 2015 15:27 (eight years ago) link

@ggreenwald
1st question on today's press call w/WH on Obama's new Afghanistan War policy: "How will President's statement impact Dem chances in 2016?"

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 15 October 2015 16:35 (eight years ago) link

Glenn Greenwald Retweeted
‏@BarackObama 12 Oct 2012
FACT: Romney and Ryan don't have a plan for our troops in Afghanistan. The President has a clear plan to end the war in 2014. #DetailsMatter

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 15 October 2015 16:41 (eight years ago) link

I don't know why leaving troops in Aghanistan means the war isn't over. There are still troops in lots of countries. Often they remain because, like in Afghanistan, there are continuing threats to the govt in power. Obv the US troops in Afghanistan are in a hotter conflict than in S Korea or Germany but that's because the Taliban are still trying to retake the country. If anything I think it's good that he's leaving troops there - shows he learnt from his mistakes in Iraq.

Mordy, Thursday, 15 October 2015 16:49 (eight years ago) link

hey, it's the guvmint in power

https://www.marionettes-puppets.com/images/P/3_marionettes-ru029.jpg

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 15 October 2015 16:51 (eight years ago) link

shows he learnt from his mistakes in Iraq.

iirc, the US gov definitely wanted to keep some troops in Iraq, but the al Maliki gov refused. so how does this become Obama's mistake?

Blind Lemon Extract (Aimless), Thursday, 15 October 2015 16:53 (eight years ago) link

iirc al Maliki gov just refused to grant US troops total immunity from prosecution from future war crimes committed while they were in the country. Obama decided it was better to just remove them all than deal w/ that headache. Instead he got a different headache.

Mordy, Thursday, 15 October 2015 16:55 (eight years ago) link

https://twitter.com/barackobama/status/260415484674068481

@BarackObama 22 Oct 2012
FACT: President Obama kept his promise to end the war in Iraq. Romney called the decision to bring our troops home “tragic.”

drash, Thursday, 15 October 2015 17:06 (eight years ago) link

lol these clowns:

In an interview with WIBX 950 in New York on Wednesday, moderate Republican Rep. Richard Hanna said House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy was speaking the truth when he said this month that the committee had successfully injured Clinton.

“Sometimes the biggest sin you can commit in D.C. is to tell the truth,” Hanna told the upstate New York radio station. “This may not be politically correct, but I think that there was a big part of this investigation that was designed to go after people and an individual, Hillary Clinton.”

Οὖτις, Thursday, 15 October 2015 17:37 (eight years ago) link

love the whole game of trying to pretend like this was not completely obvious

1998 ball boy (Karl Malone), Thursday, 15 October 2015 17:38 (eight years ago) link

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/10/15/top-party-official-accuses-democratic-national-chairwoman-of-lying-questions-her-leadership/?wpmm=1&wpisrc=nl_daily202&_r=0

Wouldn't it be great if she had to quit that position? But probably won't happen

curmudgeon, Friday, 16 October 2015 20:21 (eight years ago) link

lol Reid doing some classic knife-twisting here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/harry-reid-paul-ryan-house-speaker_5626879de4b02f6a900e20a4?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592&ref=yfp

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 20 October 2015 20:06 (eight years ago) link

only in this bizarro world could a statement of "we'll be able to work with him" be misconstrued as FIRE BAD

a llove spat over a llama-keeper (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 20 October 2015 20:28 (eight years ago) link

Harriet Miers again

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 October 2015 20:32 (eight years ago) link

A group of conservative House Republicans on Tuesday unveiled a proposal to raise the debt limit through March 2017 that also calls for mandatory spending cuts.

The Republican Study Committee's "Terms of Credit Act" would raise the debt ceiling by roughly $1.5 trillion -- to a total of $19.6 trillion -- through March 2017.

But the committee is setting a steep price for the debt limit increase. The bill would require congressional committees to produce legislation within 90 days that would cut more than $3.8 trillion in mandatory funding over the next decade. Mandatory funding covers programs like Medicare, Social Security and food stamps.

They also have a condition to impose on their colleagues in the Senate: the measure would eliminate the filibuster for an initial procedural vote on spending bills any time after Oct. 1. The legislation would also freeze all regulations until July 1, 2017, several months into the next presidential administration.

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 20 October 2015 21:11 (eight years ago) link

The bill would require congressional committees to produce legislation within 90 days that would cut more than $3.8 trillion in mandatory funding over the next decade

hmmmm sounds like a real legislative winner, good luck with that guys

Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 20 October 2015 21:13 (eight years ago) link

2011 obama/biden might be into that

1999 ball boy (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 20 October 2015 21:15 (eight years ago) link

I like how they think the House can pass laws that apply to Senate rules, really adorable

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 20 October 2015 21:17 (eight years ago) link

no joke

balls, Tuesday, 20 October 2015 21:42 (eight years ago) link

all Harry Reid has to say is, "I support these freezes on regulations" and the GOP will drop them.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 October 2015 21:53 (eight years ago) link

haha yeah Harry Reid should just say he supports whatever ludicrous shit the Freedom Caucus comes up with

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 20 October 2015 21:57 (eight years ago) link

Paul Ryan babbling about solutions, children, and propositions.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 21 October 2015 00:28 (eight years ago) link

Someone needs to form the Too Funky caucus

it's not a tuomas (benbbag), Wednesday, 21 October 2015 00:33 (eight years ago) link

Nothing new in that article regarding Ryan's plans, but maybe it will remind inside the beltway types whom he really is (not likely, but I can dream, and they are probably happy to blame federal government workers )

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 16:32 (eight years ago) link

Grover Norquist talks to Michael Grunewald:

MG: I’m giving you an opportunity to declare victory here. Because it seems like as a percentage of the economy, historically, taxes are pretty low today.

GN: Lower than they have been. Not as low as they should be.

MG: The fiscal cliff deal in 2013 did raise taxes on everyone making more than $450,000 a year, and you were actually OK with that.

GN: That was a phenomenal victory. All the Bush tax cuts were going to expire on January 1. All Obama had to do was twiddle his thumbs and go for a walk, and taxes were going to increase by $5 trillion over a decade. He would have gotten the largest tax increase in the history of western civilization. Not only didn’t he do that, he allowed 85 percent of the Bush tax cuts to be made permanent, for 99 percent of the country.

MG: But taxes went up, and you were OK with it. A lot of people expected you to take the maximalist position, that you can’t vote for anything that allows taxes to go up.

GN: The pledge has been a powerful tool because it’s written down, it doesn’t move, it’s simple. It’s one line: You can’t vote for net tax increases. It’s a binary thing: Fred either voted to raise taxes from the status quo or he didn’t. It’s a guardrail. When the law says a tax cut has lapsed, I can’t say that the failure to renew it is a tax increase, even if I want it renewed. Yes, voters might think that, but the pledge is the pledge. If I changed the pledge to fit the circumstances, Harry Reid would be right when he says, 'Oh, Republicans just do whatever is Grover’s thought of the day.'

MG: My one quibble is that you make it sound like Republicans snookered Obama into cutting taxes for most Americans. I think he was happy to cut taxes for all but the very wealthy. Even Democrats are coming around to the Grover way!

http://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2015/10/grover-norquist-tax-interview-000288

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 21 October 2015 17:17 (eight years ago) link

The entire GOP platform is boiled down to simple one line pieces of bullshit

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 21 October 2015 17:21 (eight years ago) link

and the Dems have absorbed it.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 21 October 2015 17:21 (eight years ago) link

where is the story about Grover Norquist sleeping with a giant Mr. Peanut next to his bed

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 17:28 (eight years ago) link

I was going to pretend that sentence didn't have "next to his bed" on it but I think the attendant nightmares will be too strong

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Wednesday, 21 October 2015 17:55 (eight years ago) link

Norquist: The starkest contrast between the parties today is not the divisive issues. There are pro-life Democrats and pro-choice Republicans. There are a few Democrats who won’t steal your guns.

...In 1774, Americans were paying 1 percent or 2 percent income taxes. The Brits thought about raising it a bit and the guns came out. The Civil War, aside from slavery, was partly about taxes. In the 1830s, South Carolina called out its militia over the tariff. People brought the guns out, so they rolled back the tariff.

when people like norquist talk about guns in this way it's creepy as fuck

1999 ball boy (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 21 October 2015 18:42 (eight years ago) link

hen people like norquist talk about guns taxes in this way it's creepy as fuck

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 21 October 2015 18:44 (eight years ago) link

LOL @ "Americans" and 1774

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 21 October 2015 18:45 (eight years ago) link

good to see partisan political crap can extend back before the country was even born.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 21 October 2015 18:46 (eight years ago) link

lol at "income taxes" and 1774. also bizarre single-issue revisionist takes on the civil war are the fucking worst. "sure sure we all THINK slavery was important... but what they don't tell you in school is that it was really the whiskey excise!"

Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 21 October 2015 18:47 (eight years ago) link

Shot heard around the world was a whiskey shot for the tax preparers

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 21 October 2015 18:49 (eight years ago) link

if it ain't in this book, it didn't happen

http://civilwarmemory.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451bedb69e2010535baf85f970c-pi

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 21 October 2015 18:52 (eight years ago) link

H.W. Crockofshit

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 21 October 2015 18:53 (eight years ago) link

Well, when you've got the Vatican on your side...

the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Wednesday, 21 October 2015 18:55 (eight years ago) link

wait wait. why didn't my teacher tell me holidays in the sugar plantation slave state of cuba could have been ours for the taking? i feel so lied to.

Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 21 October 2015 18:55 (eight years ago) link

lol: http://www.firepaulryan.com/

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 19:44 (eight years ago) link

Rep. Paul Ryan is a "smart" but that doesn't mean he is qualified or conservative enough to lead the people's House

mookieproof, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 19:48 (eight years ago) link

sponsors list is grim/lol

goole, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 19:50 (eight years ago) link

Alan Keyes! keepin it real

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 19:54 (eight years ago) link

I wonder if Alan Keyes sees Ben Carson and is like "shit, that guy is eatin my lunch!"

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 19:54 (eight years ago) link

He's a smart!

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 21 October 2015 19:58 (eight years ago) link

sorry lol hueg

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 20:02 (eight years ago) link

Really bothered by that cartoon eagle reading a paper -- he's got arms AND wings.

:wq (Leee), Wednesday, 21 October 2015 20:54 (eight years ago) link

I thought he was holding the paper with his feet?

soref, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 20:57 (eight years ago) link

http://www.thedamgoodtimes.com/images/ONLINE-PAPER/SEPT2015-COVER-SM.jpg

soref, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 21:01 (eight years ago) link

https://twitter.com/costareports/status/656950637834424320

Ideologically, Ryan is man of right. He's friendly w/ F. Caucus. Those things in his favor. Not helpful: his long tenure, ties to ldshp

THIS IS INSANE

goole, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 21:56 (eight years ago) link

goole, be a dear and check on your pals at NRO.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 21 October 2015 21:58 (eight years ago) link

Paul Ryan is not "smart", sorry

it's not a tuomas (benbbag), Wednesday, 21 October 2015 23:13 (eight years ago) link

He is A smart

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 23:23 (eight years ago) link

Compared to you, maybe

it's not a tuomas (benbbag), Wednesday, 21 October 2015 23:28 (eight years ago) link

Compared to you, maybe

You're a prince of wordplay, a veritable goddamn Mark fuckin Twain

pizza rolls are a food that exists (silby), Wednesday, 21 October 2015 23:34 (eight years ago) link

I think you are probably a smart too

it's not a tuomas (benbbag), Wednesday, 21 October 2015 23:35 (eight years ago) link

You have clearly demonstrated you are a stupid

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 23:43 (eight years ago) link

boys, please, none of us are brain surgeons

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 21 October 2015 23:50 (eight years ago) link

Then what are you a doctor of??

:wq (Leee), Wednesday, 21 October 2015 23:52 (eight years ago) link

id monsters

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 21 October 2015 23:53 (eight years ago) link

boys, please, none of us are brain surgeons

― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, October 21, 2015 7:50 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

surgeons are technicians. many of them, like their fellow male- and sometimes right-leaning engineers, are not what you would call intellectuals. a nutty seventh-day adventist especially (how much of the nuttiness is an act i'm not sure, but i think precious little) - he compounds the irrational self-belief of the fundamentalist with the slightly but not greatly more rational self-belief you find in lots of docs - and i assume his unusual degree of fitting-the-facts-to-suit-the-belief is plain to everyone else too. he is, though, at least in some sense, "smart" in a way that ryan, who's far better-versed in nearly anything a president might confront, is not.

PS my parents are brain scientists (not surgeons). before that, my dad was a rocket scientist. literally, as joe biden would say.

it's not a tuomas (benbbag), Thursday, 22 October 2015 00:07 (eight years ago) link

I'm a proud male-leaning engineer.

schwantz, Thursday, 22 October 2015 01:37 (eight years ago) link

gabbneb I don't know if you've heard of this thing called colloquial usage, it's a total hoot

tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 22 October 2015 01:40 (eight years ago) link

so you a) don't know any brain surgeons and b) missed the reference?

it's not a tuomas (benbbag), Thursday, 22 October 2015 02:14 (eight years ago) link

some of my best friends are brain surgeons

balls, Thursday, 22 October 2015 05:34 (eight years ago) link

understandable

Sabato Gigante (benbbag), Thursday, 22 October 2015 06:24 (eight years ago) link

so you a) don't know any brain surgeons and b) missed the reference?

No, everybody got the reference; nobody else was so shit-brained stupid that they thought it required more than 100 words of explanation.

Resting Bushface (Phil D.), Thursday, 22 October 2015 12:07 (eight years ago) link

The Washington Post's morning inside the beltway politics email "The Daily 202" after focusing on the tea party caucus reaction to Paul Ryan adds this down near the bottom--

With a bigger profile, Ryan is about to become a bigger boogeyman on the left. Several liberal outlets are attacking him for hypocrisy. Here is a taste of the headlines:
• Jezebel: “Paul Ryan, Opponent of Paid Family Leave, Demands Congress Respect His Need for Family Time.”
• The Nation: “Ryan Was Already Rejected for a Leadership Position—by 2012 Voters.”
• Salon: “Ryan is arrogant clown, drunk on years of flatterers lying about how smart he is; GOP Rep thinks he’s a Randian hero, but is quickly learning that even conservatives find his arrogance revolting.”

curmudgeon, Thursday, 22 October 2015 15:14 (eight years ago) link

meanwhile BENGHAZI

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 22 October 2015 15:15 (eight years ago) link

i am listening to it in the background while i work because apparently i hate myself with a burning passion

1999 ball boy (Karl Malone), Thursday, 22 October 2015 15:20 (eight years ago) link

I still can't believe this is real: http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--XncX0XtS--/181u5acpq4f8yjpg.jpg

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 22 October 2015 15:21 (eight years ago) link

I also can't believe this is real: http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTk5Mjg4NDg4NV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTgwMTQzMjA0NjE@._V1_SY317_CR1,0,214,317_AL_.jpg

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 22 October 2015 15:24 (eight years ago) link

looks like Ryan is in

I give the Freedom Caucus 3 months before they turn on him

Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 October 2015 15:25 (eight years ago) link

Didn't Michael Bay want to wait to hear what comes out of the hearings?! And what about the Oscars? A mid January release makes it tough to keep on the awards radar for a whole year. He better hope there are more hearings, because NEVER FORGET!

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 22 October 2015 15:26 (eight years ago) link

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2015_10/clintons_opening_benghazi_stat058251.php

In Hillary Clinton’s opening statement at today’s Benghazi hearing, she began by extolling the virtues of Ambassador Chris Stevens and explaining why he wanted to serve in Libya and why he was in Benghazi taking risks with his life. In Clinton’s estimation, it’s critical that our diplomatic staff be engaged in dangerous places and willing to put their lives on the line in order to talk to people.

She then went right for the throat by bringing up the attacks on our personnel in Beirut during the Reagan administration that killed over 250 people. She also mentioned other attacks on our diplomatic corp that took place during the administrations of her husband and George W. Bush. In other words, why is this particular attack the focus of such obsessive attention?

curmudgeon, Thursday, 22 October 2015 15:26 (eight years ago) link

Did I hear on the radio this morning that Freedom Cocks "support" Ryan even though they are officially "endorsing" another candidate?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 22 October 2015 15:26 (eight years ago) link

sort of, details here: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/22/us/politics/paul-ryan-house-speaker-freedom-caucus.html?_r=0

Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 October 2015 15:27 (eight years ago) link

She then went right for the throat by bringing up the attacks on our personnel in Beirut during the Reagan administration that killed over 250 people. She also mentioned other attacks on our diplomatic corp that took place during the administrations of her husband and George W. Bush. In other words, why is this particular attack the focus of such obsessive attention?

heh - gotta say this is pretty classic

Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 October 2015 15:28 (eight years ago) link

Classic Hillary.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 22 October 2015 15:28 (eight years ago) link

"PS my parents are brain scientists (not surgeons). before that, my dad was a rocket scientist. literally, as joe biden would say."

Wait, so are you making an argument against nature or nurture?

a strawman stuffed with their collection of 12 cds (jjjusten), Thursday, 22 October 2015 15:29 (eight years ago) link

he's explaining why his parents are so disappointed in him

Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 October 2015 15:31 (eight years ago) link

did they go to top 5-10 schools tho

mookieproof, Thursday, 22 October 2015 15:35 (eight years ago) link

when they were younglings

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 22 October 2015 15:35 (eight years ago) link

"PS my parents have the highest midichlorian count anyone has ever seen. even higher than master yoda. from a certain point of view, as obi-wan would say"

Resting Bushface (Phil D.), Thursday, 22 October 2015 15:39 (eight years ago) link

LOL

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 22 October 2015 15:44 (eight years ago) link

Gowdy patting himself on the back...

If those previous congressional investigations were really serious and thorough, how did they miss Ambassador Stevens' e-mails? If those previous investigations were serious and thorough, how did they miss Secretary Clinton's e-mails? If those congressional investigations really were serious and thorough, why did they fail to interview dozens of key State Department witnesses, including agents on the ground who experienced the attacks firsthand?

curmudgeon, Thursday, 22 October 2015 15:49 (eight years ago) link

Dem. Cummings---But, Madam Secretary, you are sitting there by yourself. The Secretary Of Defense is not on your left. The director of the CIA is not on your right. That's because Republicans abandoned their own plans to question those top officials.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 22 October 2015 15:55 (eight years ago) link

trying to recall the last time there was such a highly publicized Senate hearing at which absolutely nothing was at stake beyond the pure political theater

Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 October 2015 16:02 (eight years ago) link

Congressional hearing, I mean

Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 October 2015 16:03 (eight years ago) link

like, everyone knows there is no significant legislative or foreign policy or legal issue at stake here, it is strictly the parties trying to score points against each other (Clinton as guilty on that count as much as Gowdy)

Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 October 2015 16:04 (eight years ago) link

https://twitter.com/HeerJeet/status/657221560642572288

If the Republicans were a serious party, they could absolutely devastate Hillary by looking at large disaster of Libya not just Benghazi.

goole, Thursday, 22 October 2015 16:14 (eight years ago) link

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/10/hillary-clinton-2016-libya-intervention-213277

Hillary backers just say Libya would be even worse off if we had not proceeded as we did

curmudgeon, Thursday, 22 October 2015 18:05 (eight years ago) link

Michael McFaul ‏@McFaul 12m12 minutes ago
As ambassador in Russia, I enjoyed multiple ways to communicate with Secretary Clinton. Email was never one of them.

Resting Bushface (Phil D.), Thursday, 22 October 2015 18:51 (eight years ago) link

waiting for the eventual Benghazi telegraph scandal

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Thursday, 22 October 2015 19:15 (eight years ago) link

Anyone know Hillary's Grindr handle?

I Was Picking Up A Teaspoon When Something Happened To My Spine (Old Lunch), Thursday, 22 October 2015 19:21 (eight years ago) link

Asking for a friend.

I Was Picking Up A Teaspoon When Something Happened To My Spine (Old Lunch), Thursday, 22 October 2015 19:22 (eight years ago) link

swipe right

Οὖτις, Thursday, 22 October 2015 19:27 (eight years ago) link

Started watching this hearing around five, feel asleep in the chair for a while, have had it in the background as I mark. It's so convoluted. I suspect that Clinton is covering up incompetence of some degree. Anyone tuning in now who doesn't already have his or her mind made up, I think they'll see someone in her ninth or tenth hour of testimony who's essentially being badgered. Which isn't to say that Clinton, whether triggered by fatigue or exasperation, shouldn't keep her laughing outbursts to a minimum--they don't come across well.

clemenza, Friday, 23 October 2015 00:38 (eight years ago) link

its hard to stay on message when youre being interrogated for hours on end.. I pray to god I never get deposed

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 23 October 2015 00:43 (eight years ago) link

PROSECUTOR: "Well that contradicts what your statement earlier when you said that –"

ME: "Yeah, I probably did. Is it lunchtime yet?"

pplains, Friday, 23 October 2015 00:51 (eight years ago) link

Mr. Gowdy's quite creepy.

clemenza, Friday, 23 October 2015 00:58 (eight years ago) link

Started watching this hearing around five, feel asleep in the chair for a while, have had it in the background as I mark

you have strange enthusiasms

mookieproof, Friday, 23 October 2015 01:11 (eight years ago) link

Pierce:

I would like to congratulate the United States House of Representatives for the very fine show they put on today on the stage provided by the Special Committee To Keep Benghazi In The News Until The Polls Drop. There has been no better example of non-governance displayed on TV since the last time Marco Rubio gave a speech. There has been no better view granted of the sheer stupidity and incompetence that has run riot in those halls because of the last two midterm elections since the last time Steve King parted his brain on the left side. There has been no more sterling example of the now-undeniable truth that modern movement conservatism has declined into a tangled mess of myth, shibboleth, and outright fabulism since the last time Ed Klein wrote a book. A whole philosophy of government, and still an influential one, stands exposed as little more than a puppet show for the national Id, and not a particularly sharp one, either. A movement full of grifters and ignorami, acting out a simulacrum of representative government for the benefit of an audience steeped in comfortable, narcotic delusion. Seriously, today's hearings performed roughly the same public service that Patricia Neal did in A Face In The Crowd, when she threw open Lonesome Rhodes's microphone when he wasn't looking.​

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 23 October 2015 01:19 (eight years ago) link

i wish i loved america enough to be more outraged by four dead servicemen in wartorn libya than i am by thousands of dead citizens on american soil on 9/11. i guess i'm a communist

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 23 October 2015 01:23 (eight years ago) link

an unusually lucid fox news moment

http://i.imgur.com/6QxHcq7.png

1999 ball boy (Karl Malone), Friday, 23 October 2015 01:41 (eight years ago) link

Physician, kill thyself.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 23 October 2015 01:48 (eight years ago) link

The hearing was so newsless that conservative media outlets turned toward minor details: The Drudge Report leads this morning with a Weekly Standard item about a coughing fit Clinton had in the final hour of her testimony.

curmudgeon, Friday, 23 October 2015 14:09 (eight years ago) link

physician, dive headfirst into an empty pool

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 23 October 2015 15:11 (eight years ago) link

well we all know this is an electoral issue but i'll put it here

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/long-twilight-struggle

josh marshall looks like he had kind of a starbursts moment re: hillary and the gowdy committee

goole, Friday, 23 October 2015 19:46 (eight years ago) link

tingly leg

j., Friday, 23 October 2015 19:54 (eight years ago) link

Not that Marshall advances this canard, but running a terrible campaign doesn't mean you'll do an abysmal job running a Cabinet department or serving as president. I'm a bad boyfriend but quite handsome and charismatic, for example.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 23 October 2015 20:02 (eight years ago) link

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/romney-loves-romneycare-again

Speaking to the Boston Globe for their obituary of Staples founder Thomas G. Stemberg, who died Friday, the former Massachusetts praised Stemberg for his involvement in pushing “Romneycare,” which in turn, Romney said, led to Obamacare, giving “a lot of people” health coverage.

“Without Tom pushing it, I don’t think we would have had Romneycare,” Romney said. “Without Romneycare, I don’t think we would have Obamacare. So, without Tom a lot of people wouldn’t have health insurance.”

wow, it's almost like in 2012 he was just saying whatever he was supposed to say

1999 ball boy (Karl Malone), Saturday, 24 October 2015 02:00 (eight years ago) link

such a courageous leader

1999 ball boy (Karl Malone), Saturday, 24 October 2015 02:01 (eight years ago) link

White House, GOP near two-year budget deal

Senior White House officials and congressional leaders are nearing a deal to raise the debt limit and set the federal budget for the next two years, say sources familiar with the talks.

...Legislation to raise the debt ceiling and fund the government is central to the deal, but the talks are also said to include measures that would fund highway and infrastructure construction and renew the Export-Import Bank for one year.

The agreement is not yet final, as negotiators still need to settle a dispute over controversial policy riders, but congressional leaders hope to announce something Monday evening, according to a Senate source. The deal would cover the 2016 and 2017 fiscal years.

1999 ball boy (Karl Malone), Monday, 26 October 2015 17:44 (eight years ago) link

what is Barack Obama giving up

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 26 October 2015 17:49 (eight years ago) link

excellent question. if the republicans do not make the answer obvious by proclaiming it as the price of their assent, I'd suspect Obama conceded something pretty huge for them, huge enough to be worth the humiliation of not seeming to have extracted any worthwhile concessions.

Aimless, Monday, 26 October 2015 17:54 (eight years ago) link

officials briefed on the negotiations said the emerging accord would call for cuts in spending on Medicare and Social Security disability benefits

Οὖτις, Monday, 26 October 2015 17:59 (eight years ago) link

well waht a fine call

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Monday, 26 October 2015 18:01 (eight years ago) link

Cutting money for poor people and the sick? Never would have guessed!

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 26 October 2015 18:04 (eight years ago) link

back to the grand bargain nonsense, while getting even less

curmudgeon, Monday, 26 October 2015 18:52 (eight years ago) link

it's early to say "naturally, the poor and the disenfranchised are gonna get the shaft." wait until we see the details, which will describe the shaft in greater detail

tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 26 October 2015 18:58 (eight years ago) link

mein shaft, mein fuhrer

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Monday, 26 October 2015 18:59 (eight years ago) link

US Military Used Christian NGO as Front for North Korea Espionage - Gen. Boykin's creation

Before it was finally dismantled in 2013, Hiramine’s organization received millions in funding from the Pentagon through a complex web of organizations designed to mask the origin of the cash, according to one of the former military officials familiar with the program, as well as documentation reviewed for this article.

The use of HISG for espionage was “beyond the pale” of what the U.S. government should be allowed to do, said Sam Worthington, president of InterAction, an association of nearly 200 American NGOs. The practice of using humanitarian workers as spies “violates international principles” and puts legitimate aid and development workers at risk, he argued.

“It is unacceptable that the Pentagon or any other U.S. agency use nonprofits for intelligence gathering,” Worthington said. “It is a violation of the basic trust between the U.S. government and its civic sector.”

https://theintercept.com/2015/10/26/pentagon-missionary-spies-christian-ngo-front-for-north-korea-espionage/

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Monday, 26 October 2015 19:01 (eight years ago) link

Washington Post take on proposed budget/debt deal

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2015/10/26/congressional-leaders-closing-in-on-a-budget-deal/

Congressional leaders and the White House are nearing a deal on a two-year budget agreement that would increase military and domestic spending in exchange for long-term spending cuts to programs like Social Security and Medicare.

...

Aides said the deal would likely include new rules for the Social Security Disability Insurance fund, which is expected to run out of funds by the end of 2016. Discussions have also included maintaining a 2 percent cut to Medicare provider payments that were included in the 2011 Budget Control Act, also known as the sequester. Those cuts could be problematic for Democrats who have insisted that there be no changes to Medicare or Social Security in a budget deal.

The deal under discussion would extend the life of the disability fund for as many as six years and would include programmatic changes, such as allowing some recipients who can still work to take partial payments while earning outside income. The plan would avoid across-the-board disability insurance cuts by implementing smaller changes like expanding a program requiring a second medical expert to weigh in on whether or not an applicant is truly disabled.

A pilot version of that program has been in effect in several states and has been shown to reduce the number of applicants approved, lowering the cost of the program. Other savings would come from so-called “good governance” changes that are intended weed out waste and fraud

curmudgeon, Monday, 26 October 2015 19:12 (eight years ago) link

A two year deal helps Republicans more in 2016 elections than it does Dems

curmudgeon, Monday, 26 October 2015 19:20 (eight years ago) link

For real.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 26 October 2015 19:26 (eight years ago) link

Not much discussion of this yet elsewhere.

curmudgeon, Monday, 26 October 2015 21:34 (eight years ago) link

I agree, mildly, that disability benefits deserve a second look, but fuck this shit about keeping the sequester going for social services.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 26 October 2015 21:37 (eight years ago) link

xpost

i think everyone's waiting for more details to come out

1999 ball boy (Karl Malone), Monday, 26 October 2015 21:56 (eight years ago) link

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/27/us/politics/congress-and-white-house-near-deal-on-budget.html?_r=0

One good Medicare item

The prospective agreement would also prevent expected increases in out-of-pocket costs for millions of Medicare Part B beneficiaries. The increases would have been caused by the rare absence of a cost-of-living increase in Social Security for some beneficiaries, because of unusually low inflation.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 13:37 (eight years ago) link

and:

Aides said that the Social Security Disability Insurance program would be amended, in part to tighten and standardize eligibility requirements that now vary by state. That change was projected to save the government $5 billion.

In addition, the accord calls for eliminating a provision of the Affordable Care Act, not yet in force, that would require businesses with more than 200 employees to automatically enroll their workers for health insurance.

The emerging deal would also reallocate funds among Social Security program trust funds to ensure solvency of the disability insurance program. Such reallocations have occurred regularly over the decades but Republicans had opposed any new reallocation without changes to reduce costs of the program.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 13:40 (eight years ago) link

so which 2 dozen republicans will be the ones to vote for it?

1999 ball boy (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 14:02 (eight years ago) link

seeing that this deal does amount to treason

1999 ball boy (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 14:02 (eight years ago) link

medicare / social security - birth to the earth

pay for it with eisenhower's tax rates

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 14:11 (eight years ago) link

That's the thing. The NY Times had that article that if the top rate was raised for the .01 percent, you could do Bernie's plan to pay for college for all. If you lift the payroll tax cap and make more income go into that you can fund Social Security better. If you make the capital gains rate the same as the income tax rate and if you get rid of that exception for hedge fund managers, one can do a lot. But none of it will happen with the current Congress, and its unlikely even a Democratic Congress would have to courage to do all that.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 14:31 (eight years ago) link

Ryan will of course oppose the budget deal, even though it's the biggest gift he'll ever receive. it's funny watching the MSM push that narrative for him, though. I'm sure that when Boehner repeatedly called him to beg for him to take the Speaker position, and when Ryan spent last week playing Mario Kart with his family, that no one ever mentioned to him that the House and Senate majority/minority leaders were cutting a deal with the White House to save his ass, and that he wasn't totally supportive of that

1999 ball boy (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 15:27 (eight years ago) link

is that true? doesn't sound right to me. I have to imagine Ryan is completely signed up for this compromise.

too young for seapunk (Moodles), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 15:47 (eight years ago) link

is what true, that he will oppose the budget deal? i think he'll publicly oppose it, yeah. he's already stated that "the process stinks" or something like that.

privately, he must love it.

1999 ball boy (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 15:53 (eight years ago) link

Ryan will be happy secretly if this passes, as long as some of the Freedom Caucus opposes this because it allows increased domestic spending. He can then promise them that in 2 years with a Republican Congress and a possible Republican Prez, they can then slash domestic spending and Medicaid and stuff. Passing this now decreases attention on Ryan's goals and the Tea Party Freedom caucus goals, and allows the mainstream media to ignore how far to the right the Republicans as a party have gone.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 15:57 (eight years ago) link

xpost
i mean, the only reason this deal can happen is because it can be tied to boehner's departure, which takes away the freedom caucus' leverage. if/when it passes with the support of almost all the democrats and a few dozen republicans, that frees up the rest of the GOP to criticize it and tell constituents that there was nothing they could do because Boehner betrayed them yet again. given that the Freedom Caucus just ran Boehner out of town, i doubt that Ryan is going to ally himself with Benedict Arnold on his way out the door

1999 ball boy (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 15:59 (eight years ago) link

The deal emerged as the GOP House coalesced around Ryan, so he approves privately.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 16:00 (eight years ago) link

in other words,

http://i.imgur.com/1Q1AXYC.jpg

1999 ball boy (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 16:02 (eight years ago) link

Is that Speaker Syndrome?

:wq (Leee), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 16:08 (eight years ago) link

I feel a little better. Greg Sargent:

What Democrats got:

— $40 billion in additional non-defense spending, over and above the caps imposed by the sequester, over two years

— a debt limit hike through March of 2017, meaning no more conservative-manufactured debt limit extortion through that date

— an end to conservative-manufactured government shutdown drama through the election and beyond

— a solution to a glitch in cost-of-living calculations that threatened to hike premiums for millions on Medicare Part B

— a reallocation of Social Security funds that Dems had sought to keep disability insurance solvent

What Republicans got:

— $40 billion in additional defense spending, over and above the caps imposed by the sequester, over two years, plus an additional chunk of defense spending in a side contingency fund. That is to say, an increase in defense spending overall that is higher than the increase in non-defense spending

— Medicare cuts, but (according to reports and experts) only on the provider side

— A tightening of eligibility requirements to the Social Security Disability Insurance program that experts say does not equal a benefits cut

— a debt limit hike through March of 2017, meaning no more conservative-manufactured debt limit extortion through that date

— an end to conservative-manufactured government shutdown drama through the election and beyond

— a solution to a glitch in cost-of-living calculations that threatened to hike premiums for millions on Medicare Part B

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 17:09 (eight years ago) link

not bad

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 17:12 (eight years ago) link

republicans got to satiate their bloodlust and desire for nihilist chaos by getting someone in government thrown out

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 18:03 (eight years ago) link

I approve of this strategy of cannibalism over obstructionism

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 18:04 (eight years ago) link

LA Times: Fans of the 1972 film “Deliverance” will be happy to know the weird-looking, banjo-playing, hillbilly kid from the movie has grown up and found work as chairman of the House Select Committee on Benghazi.

Ha, I was wondering if I was the only one who thought this!

Retro novelty punk (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 18:09 (eight years ago) link

KARL

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 18:49 (eight years ago) link

(i didn't make that tiny paul ryan, btw. however, i did conduct an intense google image search for "paul ryan silly face" so i deserve partial credit)

1999 ball boy (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 18:50 (eight years ago) link

love to see a remake of Dick Tracy starring Congress

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 18:59 (eight years ago) link

the budget agreement would designate the “small House rotunda” on the first floor of the Capitol to serve as a “Freedom Foyer.”

Finally!

polyphonic, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 19:03 (eight years ago) link

freedom foyer but not for me

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 27 October 2015 19:04 (eight years ago) link

honor the foyer!

Aimless, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 20:41 (eight years ago) link

No freedom in the foyer!

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 20:43 (eight years ago) link

foy-urr or foy-ay tho

goole, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 20:45 (eight years ago) link

Meet me in the Moyers Foyers.

http://i.imgur.com/cGvGfkG.jpg

pplains, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 21:09 (eight years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YDyjOimInA

schwantz, Tuesday, 27 October 2015 21:42 (eight years ago) link

in a shocking development that definitely doesn't happen dozens of times per day, i was totally wrong about something:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/paul-ryan-support-budget-deal

1999 ball boy (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 28 October 2015 14:33 (eight years ago) link

There's more.

Paul Ryan has signed off on a letter promising restless members of the House Freedom Caucus (HFC) that he won’t bring immigration-reform legislation to the House floor while President Obama remains in office.

The letter, obtained exclusively by National Review, formalizes pledges that Ryan made last week in a closed-door meeting with select members of the HFC who were skeptical of his promise to maintain an “open” and “inclusive” relationship with the caucus. Specifically, it extracts Ryan’s word that he will not bring up comprehensive immigration reform “so long as Barack Obama is president” and, as speaker, Ryan will not allow any immigration bill to reach the floor for a vote unless a “majority” of GOP members support it.

Alabama representative Mo Brooks wrote the letter and will enter it into the Congressional Record on Tuesday morning. He says his intention was to record the pledges Ryan made in the meeting and earn Ryan’s confirmation that the record was accurate, so he could vote for the Wisconsin Republican in good conscience come the congressional-floor election that will determine the next speaker.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 October 2015 14:40 (eight years ago) link

i'll scratch your back by agreeing not to send the country into default if you scratch mine by pledging not to help millions of people

classic politics

1999 ball boy (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 28 October 2015 14:50 (eight years ago) link

now that hastert has plead guilty to corruption, i'm gonna hold my breath till the GOP discards the hastert rule

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 28 October 2015 16:39 (eight years ago) link

gonna be renamed the felon rule iirc

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 October 2015 16:42 (eight years ago) link

dang it goole i always forget what your wackadoo thread is called

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2015/margins-mainstream

j., Wednesday, 28 October 2015 17:09 (eight years ago) link

search for "kontinuing"

goole, Wednesday, 28 October 2015 17:18 (eight years ago) link

i guess it makes sense that they would get their own spelling

j., Wednesday, 28 October 2015 17:21 (eight years ago) link

Looks like no speaker will surpass Mr. Sam's length of service:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/john-boehner-resigns-house-speaker/

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 October 2015 19:39 (eight years ago) link

w/ mccormack third! what a stranglehold

balls, Wednesday, 28 October 2015 19:44 (eight years ago) link

Call casting, we have the perfect dude for fat-head Ryan:
http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMzc5OTQ5NDk1OV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwNjE5ODgzNw@@._V1_UY317_CR12,0,214,317_AL_.jpg

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 29 October 2015 14:04 (eight years ago) link

Paul Ryan elected speaker of the House

rap is dad (it's a boy!), Thursday, 29 October 2015 14:53 (eight years ago) link

Paul Ryan elected speaker of the House paints target on back

Οὖτις, Thursday, 29 October 2015 15:16 (eight years ago) link

I saw a pic of the press conference; dude looked like he heard he had rectal cancer.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 29 October 2015 15:17 (eight years ago) link

heeeey i just came across a far-right hate meme i hadn't seen before about john boehner

can you guess what it's about

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2324023/The-moment-proud-father-John-Boehner-watched-daughter-say-I-Do-dreadlocked-Jamaican-born-love.html

goole, Thursday, 29 October 2015 19:10 (eight years ago) link

So the budget deal doesn't guarantee there won't be problems shortly I see--

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/30/us/politics/paul-ryan-set-to-take-over-as-speaker-hoping-to-manage-the-chaos.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=photo-spot-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

The budget deal creates room for the House and Senate appropriations committees to draft a huge spending bill for the current fiscal year that can increase spending on defense as well as politically popular programs like medical research, federal law enforcement and wildfire suppression.

The spending bills already drafted are replete with conservative policy prescriptions, from crippling Mr. Obama’s signature health care law to blocking his climate change and financial regulations. Mr. Ryan will have to decide how far to push that clash with the president, knowing a government shutdown just before Christmas could be at stake.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 29 October 2015 19:54 (eight years ago) link

dear lord, goole

how the hell do you go through these things without going insane?

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Thursday, 29 October 2015 20:46 (eight years ago) link

good diet, exercise, stress management, adequate sleep, and time spent with friends and loved ones are key to maintaining happiness

goole, Thursday, 29 October 2015 20:49 (eight years ago) link

shit i had a more thoughtful answer written out but my browser ate it :(

goole, Thursday, 29 October 2015 20:57 (eight years ago) link

the more time I spend going through this stuff, the angrier I become until I'm pretty much a walking rage monster; particularly at the height of black murders that have been happening over the past year, it was pretty easy to goad me into flipping the fuck out (particularly after talking about my great-grandfather's lynching and how not much seems to have changed in the past 70 years).

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Thursday, 29 October 2015 21:04 (eight years ago) link

yeah that's more than understandable. it's become clear to me after a long while that my willingness to ingest this crap is a function of privilege.

the base motivation is just the pure thrill of weirdness and disgust (though i'm not into horror movies...). in a high-minded way i could say it's the will to see what other people think, and i do learn something occasionally. but all it really does is reconfirm my root assumption that these people are morally stunted and basically dangerous, and that democracy & civil society are a fragile superstructure sitting on top of a deep well of animal rage. which is why i'm a liberal, after all!

goole, Thursday, 29 October 2015 21:09 (eight years ago) link

Reading NRO is especially useful as inoculation during the holiday season, when I start seeing repulsive relatives again.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 29 October 2015 21:14 (eight years ago) link

haha i think i managed to kill any holiday politics talk after a very heated/dumb argument over the war in iraq one year (it was just like born on the fourth of july or the wonder years or lee daniel's the butler or something!) and (almost definitely) xmas after 08 election when after several lame obama jokes i told the old 'what's the difference between sarah palin's mouth and her vagina?' classic.

balls, Thursday, 29 October 2015 22:53 (eight years ago) link

Chose not to engage when a childhood friend on Facebook posted tedious debt limit stuff about how it should be like managing your own home. Of course, he doesn't mention mortgages, car payments, school loans and a various other things that might make the analogy not work. Since I see this all the time, I am tempted to engage, though.

curmudgeon, Friday, 30 October 2015 15:40 (eight years ago) link

It's inane. Governments with the power to mint sovereign currency, not to mention take on the cheapest debt in the world, are nothing like a household. I know basically nothing about macroeconomics and yet this just seems obvious to me. idk.

pizza rolls are a food that exists (silby), Friday, 30 October 2015 16:08 (eight years ago) link

Never underestimate the power of shitty analogies to shape how people think I guess

pizza rolls are a food that exists (silby), Friday, 30 October 2015 16:08 (eight years ago) link

Reagan popularized that shit btw ("Pay as you go")

My dad and I spent 1980-88 shouting about Reagan. If it was Sunday morning, my mom would dash into the living room and shout off This Week with David Brinkley[ like she was swatting a fly. (At Home with the Morbiuses)

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Friday, 30 October 2015 16:13 (eight years ago) link

The McMorbs Group

Οὖτις, Friday, 30 October 2015 16:21 (eight years ago) link

would watch, get iatee and gabbneb on there imo

pizza rolls are a food that exists (silby), Friday, 30 October 2015 16:23 (eight years ago) link

and special guest William Jefferson Clinton

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 30 October 2015 16:28 (eight years ago) link

shouldn't that be "musical guest"

Οὖτις, Friday, 30 October 2015 16:29 (eight years ago) link

and Lee Atwater on guitar

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 30 October 2015 16:31 (eight years ago) link

Chose not to engage when a childhood friend on Facebook posted tedious debt limit stuff about how it should be like managing your own home. Of course, he doesn't mention mortgages, car payments, school loans and a various other things that might make the analogy not work. Since I see this all the time, I am tempted to engage, though.

― curmudgeon, Friday, October 30, 2015 3:40 PM (51 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

does your friends household have a standing army as well?

fucking morons

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 30 October 2015 16:32 (eight years ago) link

no, we wd have Joan Crawford Loves Chachi on to do some old socialist songs

xp

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Friday, 30 October 2015 16:32 (eight years ago) link

I can see your house as the kind with photos of FDR and Bella Abzug on the wall

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 30 October 2015 16:51 (eight years ago) link

would watch, get iatee and gabbneb on there imo

― pizza rolls are a food that exists (silby), Friday, October 30, 2015 12:23 PM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

(W)RONG

Neb! (benbbag), Saturday, 31 October 2015 01:37 (eight years ago) link

So Paul Ryan apparently made the rounds of the Sunday talk shows. I didn't watch any of them. I did read this morning that he is still opposed to paid family leave, and is happy just going back to Wisconsin every weekend to see his kids & wife part of Saturday when not meeting with constituents and all of Sunday. He sleeps on a cot in his office during the week rather than getting a DC home.

curmudgeon, Monday, 2 November 2015 15:13 (eight years ago) link

I saw his interview on NBC; I don't remember much, other than laughing when he said he was going to have his new office radically cleaned to get the cigarette stink out of everything.

the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Monday, 2 November 2015 15:39 (eight years ago) link

holy shit check this out

https://twitter.com/YourAnonCentral

Anonymous is going through the KKK data dump

goole, Monday, 2 November 2015 17:47 (eight years ago) link

i don't trust "Anon" much so i have a baseline skepticism

but fuck, john cornyn?

goole, Monday, 2 November 2015 17:48 (eight years ago) link

where did this information allegedly come from?

welltris (crüt), Monday, 2 November 2015 17:49 (eight years ago) link

i don't know

goole, Monday, 2 November 2015 17:50 (eight years ago) link

Yeah, wtf? The KKK has central databases of personal information sitting around? Some KKK ass would actually provide a credit card or some other identifying info to that (anonymous?) org for monthly membership dues or something? Like "oh, just charge the hood to my account, you know where to find me, it's John Cornyn, C-O-R ... yeah, like the US senator."

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 2 November 2015 17:59 (eight years ago) link

Since they have a long, long history of engaging in conspiracy to murder, commit arson and similar felonies, I should think that the KKK would be leery of infiltration and would like to have some unfuckwithable knowledge of who they are admitting into the organization. Since it is a quasi-national organization, they'd probably want to have some way of identifying out-of-state members, too.

Aimless, Monday, 2 November 2015 18:07 (eight years ago) link

Awful lot of .ru email addresses in those data dumps.

the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Monday, 2 November 2015 18:12 (eight years ago) link

Ha, you ever browsed vk.com? It's like the Facebook for American Nazis.

(I mean, I've only got like 50 friends on there, not like I'm a regular or anything.)

pplains, Monday, 2 November 2015 18:27 (eight years ago) link

i don't trust "Anon" much so i have a baseline skepticism

People have gotten a lot of shit wrong under the banner of Anonymous. I'll be really happy if some journalist fact-checks this stuff and finds it to be true. Just not holding my breath.

how's life, Monday, 2 November 2015 18:31 (eight years ago) link

same

balls, Monday, 2 November 2015 18:44 (eight years ago) link

I just noticed Madeline Rogero is on that list, which means it is patently bunk.

welltris (crüt), Monday, 2 November 2015 19:04 (eight years ago) link

Even the suggestion that are four current GOP senators in the Klan deserves some skepticism -- were there ever that many at once in the past? I mean, Robert Byrd, Strom Thurmond, were there others?

on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Monday, 2 November 2015 20:50 (eight years ago) link

Doesn't the Council of Conservative Citizens kinda mitigate the need for belonging to the Klan?

Resting Bushface (Phil D.), Monday, 2 November 2015 20:53 (eight years ago) link

CCC?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 2 November 2015 21:11 (eight years ago) link

Even the suggestion that are four current GOP senators in the Klan deserves some skepticism -- were there ever that many at once in the past? I mean, Robert Byrd, Strom Thurmond, were there others?

― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Monday, November 2, 2015 3:50 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i would not be surprised if 3/4 or more of the entire southern congressional delegation circa 1920-1940 were klansmen tbh

Frump 'n' Dump (Doctor Casino), Monday, 2 November 2015 23:16 (eight years ago) link

Nope, sorry. Just doxxed their email addresses and nothing shows up.

pplains, Tuesday, 3 November 2015 00:42 (eight years ago) link

Even the suggestion that are four current GOP senators in the Klan deserves some skepticism -- were there ever that many at once in the past? I mean, Robert Byrd, Strom Thurmond, were there others?

― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive),

Hugo Black. Robert Byrd. Black's SCOTUS nomination was in jeopardy as a result.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 November 2015 00:45 (eight years ago) link

So who do we blame for Dems lack of success in elections yesterday in Kentucky, Virginia, and elsewhere? In Virginia, Dems won seats they were expected to win, but just didn't get the additional seat they needed to win control of the VA Senate. I thought the Kentucky governor race was supposed to have been much closer.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 4 November 2015 14:02 (eight years ago) link

Bevin’s top economic priority is making Kentucky a Right To Work state.

The voter turnout numbers everywhere were low...

Above takeaways from a Washington Post article...

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 4 November 2015 14:10 (eight years ago) link

yeah downballot, off-year and uh "outstate" elections (as we city people call them) are bad and getting worse.

goole, Wednesday, 4 November 2015 16:23 (eight years ago) link

Pierce:

There are a couple of lessons that the Democratic Party can take from yet another ass-kicking, this in a freakish off off-year election. (The results in Virginia, where Democrats hoped to overturn the state senate, were particularly painful, and not much of a testimony to Governor Terry McAuliffe's influence.) The first one is an old lesson, but one the party has yet to learn. Debbie Wasserman Schultz has to go, and she has to take her approach to building the party with her. How many times does Howard Dean's 50-state strategy have to be vindicated before the Democratic Party admits that he was right, and that Rahm Emanuel (and DWS) were wrong? Pay attention. These elections are where your next Louie Gohmerts and Joni Ernsts come from. If you want to kill crackpot politics in the cradle, this is where you have to do it.

The second lesson is one more apropos to the set of circumstances surrounding this election. (And, yes, I also am suspicious of the fact that no poll showed Bevin leading prior to the election and yet he won going away. There seems to be one of these in every election now, and the Republican almost always wins it.) Please stop running retreads, what we here in the Commonwealth call "the Coakley Factor." I'm sure Jack Conway is a swell fella, but, like Coakley in Massachusetts and Tom Barrett in Wisconsin, this is the second statewide race he'd lost in five years, and the last one he lost was to Rand Paul. In addition, how can a major political party not exploit the fact that the elite of the opposing party dislikes their candidate? Nominate strategically and then campaign strategically and then vote strategically. The Republicans do all these things at once, and the Democrats seem incapable of doing any of them.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 November 2015 17:28 (eight years ago) link

otm

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 4 November 2015 17:30 (eight years ago) link

it's kind of shocking that dems are so stubbornly bad at this

too young for seapunk (Moodles), Wednesday, 4 November 2015 18:23 (eight years ago) link

as Pierce points out, there are specific people/policies in the Dem party to blame

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 4 November 2015 18:24 (eight years ago) link

I need to start checking more for those Pierce articles. I think that's the second longish quote of his I've seen on these boards. Seems v informative

rap is dad (it's a boy!), Wednesday, 4 November 2015 18:39 (eight years ago) link

he can get repetitive but he posts 3-4x a day so its worth checking up on

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 4 November 2015 18:53 (eight years ago) link

I'm all for the 50 states approach, and dropping Wasserman Schultz, but one also has to consider this, regarding getting back control of the House--

Whenever the Democrats next control the House, it’s likely that their majority will include hardly any seats from Appalachia and the Deep South, which would be a change from any of their previous House majorities. The seats Democrats are likely to target in the future are in places like suburban Philadelphia, Greater New York and New Jersey, suburban Denver, Greater Chicago, Northern Virginia, Las Vegas, Minnesota’s Twin Cities and other suburban areas. These are districts where the number of college graduates is generally higher than the national average and where there are below-average numbers of white evangelicals. It is not outlandish to suggest Carson or Trump would perform poorly in these places.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/11/how-democrats-could-win-the-house-213318#ixzz3qYEUwSR2

Dems are in part of Northern VA, but parts that are more exurban, and farther from DC, lean Republican now but have sizable numbers of folks who are Dems or who have gone that way

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 4 November 2015 19:10 (eight years ago) link

Pierce has flourishes I dislike – his prose is steeped in Mencken – but he's my favorite columnist.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 November 2015 20:16 (eight years ago) link

what is rong w/ Mencken's prose, if you please?

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 November 2015 20:38 (eight years ago) link

Nothing if done well.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 November 2015 21:49 (eight years ago) link

Was reading some glass half full articles about Dems success in the New Jersey legislature, Pennsylvania courts, a few mayor elections here and there, suburban Denver...

curmudgeon, Thursday, 5 November 2015 15:25 (eight years ago) link

I mean , in addition to that Politico one.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 5 November 2015 15:25 (eight years ago) link

a victory in Politico

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 November 2015 15:30 (eight years ago) link

Yeah PA Dems swept the three open seats on the state Supreme Court, and flipped it. I guess this is good news for the next round of redistricting in 2021; they are the tie-breaking vote on an always deadlocked bi-partisan legislative redistricting commission.

rap is dad (it's a boy!), Thursday, 5 November 2015 15:42 (eight years ago) link

Kevin Drum--

I don't want to go all Pollyanna on you, but the basic result of yesterday's elections is that conservatives won big in the South, while liberals did OK everywhere else. Losing Kentucky was a kick in the gut, but I can't work up a lot of surprise when Democrats lose ground below the Mason-Dixon line. It's unfortunate, but it's hardly big news.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 5 November 2015 15:58 (eight years ago) link

Obama To Reject Keystone XL Pipeline In 11:45 ET Statement

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 6 November 2015 16:55 (eight years ago) link

I know people were arguing that the oil was gonna get moved anyway, regardless of the pipeline, but that NYT article makes it sound like as long as oil stays below $65/barrell (it's currently at $50) then the oil will stay in the ground

Οὖτις, Friday, 6 November 2015 17:03 (eight years ago) link

because the cost of moving it by rail would result in a net loss

Οὖτις, Friday, 6 November 2015 17:03 (eight years ago) link

Environmentalists though are not happy with the released Pacific Trade deal

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obamas-far-reaching-trade-deal-would-lower-tariffs-on-meat-cars-and-drugs/2015/11/05/8e720580-83dc-11e5-9afb-0c971f713d0c_story.html?hpid=hp_rhp-more-top-stories_no-name:homepage/story&wpmm=1&wpisrc=nl_daily202

The Sierra Club blasted the environmental chapter, calling it ‘rife with polluter giveaways that would undermine decades of environmental progress, threaten our climate and fail to adequately protect wildlife because big polluters helped write the deal.’”

curmudgeon, Friday, 6 November 2015 17:32 (eight years ago) link

“I know that past trade agreements haven’t always lived up to the hype. That’s what makes this trade agreement so different, and so important,” Obama wrote in a blog post.

haha gtfo. hopefully congress can still kill this

Οὖτις, Friday, 6 November 2015 17:34 (eight years ago) link

Im concerned that all the smoke signals of opposition to TPP are just from the people who can get away with voting against it because the votes will always be there for corporate welfare

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 6 November 2015 18:25 (eight years ago) link

Pierce:

​Shortly after the president spoke, I got a call from my friend Randy Thompson, whose lovely farm in Humphrey, Nebraska, was targeted by TransCanada as part of the death-funnel's route, and who worked harder than anyone against the pipeline simply because he was fed up with being pushed around.

"It's unbelievable that we were able to do this," Thompson said. "It's like watching the biggest bully on the school grounds getting his nose bloodied. It's very gratifying."

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 6 November 2015 18:38 (eight years ago) link

So was the Keystone announcement timed to take the sting out of the TPP unveiling?

too young for seapunk (Moodles), Friday, 6 November 2015 20:32 (eight years ago) link

Of course it was.

El Tomboto, Saturday, 7 November 2015 01:25 (eight years ago) link

remarkabaly hopeful that for every celebration i'm seeing of kxl's defeat, there's a reminder that the battle against tpp is still ongoing

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 7 November 2015 02:06 (eight years ago) link

Louisiana governor's race ad

Democrat John Bel Edwards going on the air over the weekend with the most provocative attack ad of the year. A female narrator notes that Edwards served as an Army Ranger in the 82nd Airborne Division before noting that Vitter missed a 2001 House vote honoring 28 slain soldiers at roughly the same time that he took a call on his cell phone from the D.C. Madam. “David Vitter chose prostitutes over patriots,” a female narrator says. “Now the choice is yours.”

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 10 November 2015 15:03 (eight years ago) link

Tough choice, tbf.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 10 November 2015 15:05 (eight years ago) link

Vitter's response ad:

Vitter is up today with a television ad that shows him sitting with his wife and kids around a kitchen table.
“Fifteen years ago, I failed my family but found forgiveness and love,” the senior senator says to camera. “I learned that our falls aren’t what define us, but rather how we get up, accept responsibility and earn redemption. Now Louisiana has fallen on hard times … And as your governor, I’ll get up every day to fight for you.”

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 10 November 2015 15:07 (eight years ago) link

And as your governor, I’ll get it up every day to fight for you.”

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 10 November 2015 15:07 (eight years ago) link

For years conservative Louisianans have ignored Vitter's hypocrisy because he voted in Congress the way they want, I am curious what the difference is now:

With the runoff just 11 days away, public polls put the Republican senator down anywhere from 11 points to 20 points. Early voting has already started

I bet he might still win.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 10 November 2015 16:38 (eight years ago) link

I saw that immigration ruling headline and my first guess was 'oh fifth circuit eh' and I was rite

carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 10 November 2015 17:54 (eight years ago) link

Can the Justice department peel away Anthony Kennedy from the conservatives at the Supreme Court and win?

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 10 November 2015 18:21 (eight years ago) link

bump this thread any time someone who has been imprisoned by the US for >5 yrs is found innocent by an actual judge

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/04/us/04gitmo.html?_r=1&ref=todayspaper

― youngdel griffith (k3vin k.), Sunday, July 4, 2010 2:40 PM

charlie savage is a great reporter too

― youngdel griffith (k3vin k.), Sunday, July 4, 2010 2:40 PM

Greenwald interview with Savage on his new book Power Wars, examining Obama's presidency in civil liberties and war powers terms.

... in early summer of 2009... there was this difficult case of these Chinese Muslims called Uyghurs at Guantanamo who everyone agreed had been brought there by mistake. And a judge had ordered them freed, and the US government did not think it had legal authority to keep holding them because they weren’t Al-Qaeda – they weren’t our enemies – but there was no place to send them.

We couldn’t send them back to China because they’d be tortured or killed, and China was using its diplomatic pressure to prevent other countries from taking them in. So they decided that they would bring a couple of them – the ones who spoke English the best, and so forth, to the United States, and release them under monitoring, in a Uyghur ethnic community here where I live, in Northern Virginia.

And when the local Congressman, Frank Wolf, found out about that, he sort of went to war, and went down to the floor of Congress and started talking about releasing dangerous terrorists in your backyard, and the Republicans kind of picked up on that theme. And of course the nuance of who these guys really were never really comes through when these things get demagogued like that.

And the White House totally retreated, immediately. And the reason they retreated was the political voices in the White House didn’t want to cause ruffles with Congress. They were trying to pass healthcare reform, and so forth. And they just didn’t want to fight the fight. And so they pulled back from that plan. And that taught Congress that they could be rolled on these issues. And that’s when Congress first imposes restrictions on Obama’s ability to transfer detainees that later get tightened significantly. And he signs them without complaint. That’s the first moment when I think really the turbulence hits. And they sort of display that they lose their nerve.

https://theintercept.com/2015/11/10/42692/

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 16:37 (eight years ago) link

SAVAGE: The first thing Senator Obama does when he clinches the nomination, and his opponent is no longer Hillary Clinton but it’s going to be Mitt Romney, he votes in favor of the FISA Amendments Act which legalizes the warrantless surveillance program and immunizes the telecoms, even though he had said…

GREENWALD: Unambiguously, that he would filibuster that.

SAVAGE: Yes. And I tell the story of that, and some of the behind the scenes-y stuff about that, in a subsection chapter called “Foreshadowing.” So he’s not president yet, but already there we see the shift to “This stuff is okay as long as it has legal authority. It’s not inherently wrong.” And in retrospect, seeing how that played out in many other ways, I think that moment was of singular importance.

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 16:42 (eight years ago) link

The first thing Senator Obama does when he clinches the nomination, and his opponent is no longer Hillary Clinton but it’s going to be Mitt Romney

Obama, always playing the long game

Why because she True and Interesting (President Keyes), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 21:32 (eight years ago) link

I wrote about Savage earlier this week. If you guys haven't read Takeover, please do.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 21:35 (eight years ago) link

ten points off for "behind the scenes-y stuff" though

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 21:36 (eight years ago) link

v good Keyes, i didn't catch that

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 21:58 (eight years ago) link

https://twitter.com/CallyGingrich/status/664576323004813312

goole, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 23:42 (eight years ago) link

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/06/business/trans-pacific-partnership-trade-deal-is-reached.html

Its full 30-chapter text will not be available for perhaps a month, but labor unions, environmentalists and liberal activists are poised to argue that the agreement favors big business over workers and environmental protection. Donald Trump has repeatedly criticized the Pacific trade accord as “a bad deal,” injecting conservative populism into the debate and emboldening some congressional Republicans who fear for local interests like sugar and rice, and many conservatives who oppose Mr. Obama at every turn.

― curmudgeon, Monday, 5 October 2015 21:29 (1 month ago)

The whole TPPA text's out; some initial takes (from a NZ perspective) at http://pantograph-punch.com/post/ten-or-so-TPPA-deep-cuts ... investor-state dispute settlements, oh boy.

etc, Thursday, 12 November 2015 17:53 (eight years ago) link

This will be fun...

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-11-13/house-republican-hard-liners-drafting-contract-with-america-ii-

Members of the House Freedom Caucus are preparing a "Contract With America II" that would call for House votes in the first 100 days of 2016 on replacing Obamacare, overhauling entitlement programs such as Social Security and Medicare, and repealing the estate tax.

An early draft of the plan obtained by Bloomberg News also calls for legislation to slash government regulations by 20 percent, cut corporate tax rates and expand offshore oil drilling. Efforts are still under way to finalize contents of the "contract," which lawmakers say they hope will become the basis of House Republicans’ 2016 agenda

curmudgeon, Friday, 13 November 2015 17:19 (eight years ago) link

just delete every 5th word of every regulatory document

pizza rolls are a food that exists (silby), Friday, 13 November 2015 17:20 (eight years ago) link

i love how the freedom caucus view themselves as the True Conservatives, willing to fight against everyone including the GOP establishment, but when it comes to putting forward an agenda they list the same exact policies that the entire GOP has been supporting for a decade+

Karl Malone, Friday, 13 November 2015 17:30 (eight years ago) link

but they REALLY support it

more show votes on repealing Obamacare! it's what the country really needs.

Οὖτις, Friday, 13 November 2015 17:31 (eight years ago) link

delete every fifth letter, imho - if i've learned anything from image macros shared on facebook, your brain can fill in the rest!

Frump 'n' Dump (Doctor Casino), Friday, 13 November 2015 17:31 (eight years ago) link

yeah isn't that the whole point? like they call the regular republicans RINOs because in their view, they say they support all this unsustainable impossible legsislative bullshit just to get elected, but don't (frequently enough) press for hopeless self-defeating psycho showdowns.

Frump 'n' Dump (Doctor Casino), Friday, 13 November 2015 17:32 (eight years ago) link

but anyway don't these "contract" things work better if they're, like, something the congressional delegation is agreed upon, and running on? so that they then can claim a mandate, however dubious the claim might be? this looks more like some kind of norquist-pledge type stunt that's more about identifying republican congresspersons who aren't willing to "sign the contract," so they can then be more thoroughly called out as RINOs, in those media channels that already see them as RINOs anyway. nice that they're not even waiting for paul ryan to attempt some kind of leadership platform before putting this together.

Frump 'n' Dump (Doctor Casino), Friday, 13 November 2015 19:24 (eight years ago) link

well they're not passing bills, gotta do something

Οὖτις, Friday, 13 November 2015 19:26 (eight years ago) link

Rep Peter King, same as always.

Was also reading about how one of Paul Ryan's outside advisors on foreign policy for a number of years now, is Elliot Abrams, who was convicted of a misdemeanor for withholding evidence during the Iran-Contra scandal.

curmudgeon, Monday, 16 November 2015 15:40 (eight years ago) link

King is a moderate! He doesn't want to round em up and put em in camps.

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Monday, 16 November 2015 16:41 (eight years ago) link

are you really defending professional asshole Peter King

Οὖτις, Monday, 16 November 2015 16:45 (eight years ago) link

I believe that was snark. As in he doesn't wish to actively exterminate them.

Alien All-Topless (Old Lunch), Monday, 16 November 2015 16:47 (eight years ago) link

ah of course

Οὖτις, Monday, 16 November 2015 16:49 (eight years ago) link

Texas governator:

Greg Abbott
‏@GregAbbott_TX
BREAKING: Texas will not accept any Syrian refugees & I demand the U.S. act similarly. Security comes first.

http://gov.texas.gov/files/press-office/SyrianRefugees_BarackObama11162015.pdf

Can we force TX to secede?

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Monday, 16 November 2015 17:18 (eight years ago) link

i still think Pete King is trying to SEO himself and that's why he keeps coming out with more and more outrageous things to say. he's got to be monetizing this in some direct way.

wizzz! (amateurist), Monday, 16 November 2015 17:19 (eight years ago) link

The "defense industry" is doing nicely today

https://theintercept.com/2015/11/16/stock-prices-of-weapons-manufacturers-soaring-since-paris-attack/

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Monday, 16 November 2015 18:03 (eight years ago) link

I guess there was a memo that got sent out:

The Republican governors -- in Alabama, Arkansas, Illinois, Indiana, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Massachusetts, and Texas -- say their top concern must be the safety of state residents, and they say there's a chance the refugees include people with terrorist ties.

pplains, Monday, 16 November 2015 18:27 (eight years ago) link

their top concern must be the safety of state residents,

except when it comes to drugs and health care

wizzz! (amateurist), Monday, 16 November 2015 18:28 (eight years ago) link

er, i mean drugs, health care, and guns

wizzz! (amateurist), Monday, 16 November 2015 18:28 (eight years ago) link

since when could governors make demands

j., Monday, 16 November 2015 19:01 (eight years ago) link

watch out, they can also summon spirits from the vasty deep.

Aimless, Monday, 16 November 2015 19:07 (eight years ago) link

These governors have no ability or power to enforce such a ban, do they? On what grounds -- and via what methods -- could they possibly ban from their states immigrants whose status has been approved by Federal immigration authorities?

Resting Bushface (Phil D.), Monday, 16 November 2015 19:08 (eight years ago) link

except when it comes to drugs and health care

or climate change or living wages or or or

Οὖτις, Monday, 16 November 2015 19:09 (eight years ago) link

via what methods

In refugee situations, immigrants are generally given government assistance in resettling to their new country. In the USA such assistance is facilitated by the state governments, which usually run social welfare programs, even if much of their regulation and funding is from the federal government. We have a weird confusing system.

Aimless, Monday, 16 November 2015 19:15 (eight years ago) link

Obama conducting himself admirably imo:

Mr. Obama grew especially animated in rebuffing suggestions by some Republican presidential candidates, governors and lawmakers that the United States should block entry of Syrian refugees to prevent terrorists from slipping into the country.

“The people who are fleeing Syria are the most harmed by terrorism; they are the most vulnerable as a consequence of civil war and strife,” Mr. Obama said. He added: “We do not close our hearts to these victims of such violence and somehow start equating the issue of refugees with the issue of terrorism.”

Without naming him, Mr. Obama singled out a comment by former Gov. Jeb Bush of Florida, one of the Republicans seeking to succeed him, for suggesting the United States focus special attention on Christian refugees. “That’s shameful,” Mr. Obama said. “That’s not American. It’s not who we are. We don’t have religious tests to our compassion.”

Οὖτις, Monday, 16 November 2015 20:53 (eight years ago) link

I recall Nino's dissent in the Arizona immigration case in which he basically said sovereign states should be able to exclude whomever they please.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 16 November 2015 20:55 (eight years ago) link

they hate us for our freedom

carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 16 November 2015 22:26 (eight years ago) link

Chuck Schumer of New York, the third-ranking Senate Democrat, broke with most in his party and told reporters that a pause in accepting Syrian refugees "may be necessary."

feeling p good about my household "no Schumers" policy

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 17 November 2015 22:43 (eight years ago) link

party leadership soon to be in his capable reactionary hands

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 November 2015 22:49 (eight years ago) link

i know for various reasons (well money basically) it would probably be futile but that guy should be primaried every cycle. sometimes you get lucky.

balls, Tuesday, 17 November 2015 22:54 (eight years ago) link

just such fucking cowards always

balls, Tuesday, 17 November 2015 22:55 (eight years ago) link

oh he should definitely be primaried, surely there are better candidates from NY out there

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 17 November 2015 22:59 (eight years ago) link

is Jacob Javits dead

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 November 2015 23:02 (eight years ago) link

yes but his convention center lives on

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 November 2015 23:02 (eight years ago) link

GUESS LEVIS GUESS LEVIS

balls, Tuesday, 17 November 2015 23:04 (eight years ago) link

Chuck went there

“Israel and the Jewish people have been subject to the same type of terrorism since the 70s. And for so long, when it just happened to Israel, the world condoned it. They [may have not] condoned it, but maybe didn’t do much about it, and Israel had to fight terrorism on her own. And, because the world did not rise up, this terrorism, like a cancer, has spread throughout the world.”

http://mondoweiss.net/2015/11/against-terrorism-schumer

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 November 2015 23:05 (eight years ago) link

on her own lol

balls, Tuesday, 17 November 2015 23:07 (eight years ago) link

if fucking only

balls, Tuesday, 17 November 2015 23:08 (eight years ago) link

since the 70s? on her own? what alternate universe does this guy live in?

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 17 November 2015 23:11 (eight years ago) link

Manhattan

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 November 2015 23:33 (eight years ago) link

the Senate

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 November 2015 23:33 (eight years ago) link

Bibi's colon

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 November 2015 00:48 (eight years ago) link

btw did you guys know feingold is running to win his old senate seat back and is apparently polling pretty well? having him back would be nice

k3vin k., Wednesday, 18 November 2015 00:49 (eight years ago) link

huh, interesting: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/refugees-christians-215991

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 18 November 2015 15:56 (eight years ago) link

i've seen a few 'jesus was a refugee' church signs around

balls, Wednesday, 18 November 2015 15:57 (eight years ago) link

legality of that seems kind of sketchy

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 18 November 2015 16:52 (eight years ago) link

like the Koch hairlines

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 November 2015 16:52 (eight years ago) link

mike moon has something important to say

Governor Nixon seems intent on allowing the relocation of Syrian refugees in Missouri.
I do realize that the refugees we should be scrutinizing most is one who professes the muslim faith. Unless I'm mistaken, a practicing muslim can do whatever is necessary for the "good" of the faith - telling "fibs" is a smallpart of what they might do. And, from what I've seen, a practicing muslim comes in all flavors (black, white, brown, yellow - American, African, European, etc. etc.). A “white” lie could allow an individual to pass through the vetting process.

In this instance, we cannot afford to be too careful - especially given the fact that immigration officials report they cannot properly vet the refugees (before or after they've entered the country).

If my information is correct, Afghan refugees sent to Pakistani and Iranian refugee camps returned to their homeland when it was safe to do so. I see no reason not to follow that example because once they're on U.S. soil they'd have no reason to leave. Our preference, as a nation, should be to place the refugees in camps so that they can be properly cared for and returned safely home when the time is right.

Unless appropriate legislative action is taken, Governor Nixon may very well proceed with the acceptance of the refugees. For the safety of Missourians, we can ill-afford to wait. I ask that you begin the process of calling the General Assembly into Special Session in order to tie the Governor's hands, putting a stop to the potential Islamization of Missouri.

Mike Moon

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/news-columns-blogs/the-buzz/article45337596.html

Karl Malone, Thursday, 19 November 2015 15:34 (eight years ago) link

hurry, before the raising of the Royals' championship flag is performed by an imam

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 19 November 2015 15:37 (eight years ago) link

Islamic "fibs"

i made a scope for my laser musket out of some (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 19 November 2015 15:38 (eight years ago) link

it's a hateful letter, but you have to admit that it is a major achievement to pack all of these snippets

the "good" of the faith
telling "fibs" is a smallpart [sic] of what they might do
a practicing muslim comes in all flavors (black, white, brown, yellow - American, African, European, etc. etc)
a "white" lie

INTO THE SAME PARAGRAPH. mike moon must spend his time walking around yelling at himself and anyone else around him and poking squarequote fingers into nearby eyeballs

Karl Malone, Thursday, 19 November 2015 15:45 (eight years ago) link

He has a point, re: potential Islamization. Missouri is right on the cusp of becoming balls-out Muslim.

Say Goodbye To That Blood (Old Lunch), Thursday, 19 November 2015 15:46 (eight years ago) link

Experts have identified many of the same letters - "it's definitely in the frame"

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 19 November 2015 15:56 (eight years ago) link

a talking point for Sanders in future debates (not that there are net votes in it)

Even after accounting for every government assistance program — housing subsidies, food stamps, help with the electricity bill — nearly 16 million Americans still fall below 50 percent of the poverty line, measured by the Census Bureau’s revamped poverty measure that includes the effect of government support. That translates to roughly $8.60 per person per day for a family of four. That group is six million people larger than half a century ago.

No other advanced nation tolerates this depth of deprivation. It amounts to one in 20 Americans — a share that has refused to shrink despite five decades of economic growth.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/18/business/economy/electing-to-ignore-the-poorest-of-the-poor.htm

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 19 November 2015 16:00 (eight years ago) link

That group is six million people larger than half a century ago.

... so it's actually grown by less than the population has over that period?

(any value above zero is bad of course, but death to shitty maths)

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 19 November 2015 16:12 (eight years ago) link

i think the most relevant stats are the distribution of benefits toward the more "productive" poor. The guvmint really hates single/childless people.

also, Karl Malone plz check yr email or FB

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 19 November 2015 16:34 (eight years ago) link

Honest question: is there any way that governors and mayors actually have a legal right and jurisdiction to withhold public services from refugees of a particular nationality, as the TX governor seems to be suggesting here and the Roanoke mayor seemed to be calling for? I didn't see the answer to this when I skimmed the thread.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 19 November 2015 17:46 (eight years ago) link

No they do not

Οὖτις, Thursday, 19 November 2015 17:51 (eight years ago) link

as an example of precedent, CA passed a law restricting services to illegal immigrants and even that was struck down as unconstitutional: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_187. Legal refugees being explicitly discriminated against would be challenged on similar grounds.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 19 November 2015 17:54 (eight years ago) link

Feds are in charge of immigration: In November 1997, Pfaelzer found the law to be unconstitutional on the basis that it infringed on the federal government's exclusive jurisdiction over matters relating to immigration

Οὖτις, Thursday, 19 November 2015 17:54 (eight years ago) link

I'm surprised the right hasn't cited these passages from Scalia's dissent in Arizona v. United States:

In light of the predominance of federal immigration restrictions in modern times, it is easy to lose sight of the States’ traditional role in regulating immigration—and to overlook their sovereign prerogative to do so. I accept as a given that State regulation is excluded by the Constitution when (1) it has been prohibited by a valid federal law, or (2) it conflicts with federal regulation—when, for example, it admits those whom federal regulation would exclude, or excludes those whom federal regulation would admit.

Possibility (1) need not be considered here: there is no federal law prohibiting the States’ sovereign power to exclude (assuming federal authority to enact such a law). The mere existence of federal action in the immigration area—and the so-called field preemption arising from that action, upon which the Court’s opinion so heavily relies, ante, at 9–11—cannot be regarded as such a prohibition. We are not talking here about a federal law prohibiting the States from regulating bubble-gum advertising, or even the construction of nuclear plants. We are talking about a federal law going to the core of state sovereignty: the power to exclude

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 November 2015 17:59 (eight years ago) link

now who's making up rights

Οὖτις, Thursday, 19 November 2015 18:01 (eight years ago) link

greg abbott used a story from breitbart (written by brandon darby no less) to justify himself

https://twitter.com/GregAbbott_TX/status/667159455419666433

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/18/report-8-syrians-caught-at-texas-border-in-laredo/

federal agents chatting anonymously w/ darby, that's terrific

goole, Thursday, 19 November 2015 18:04 (eight years ago) link

darby has the good taste to use scare quotes here:

The sources claimed that eight Syrians were apprehended on Monday, November 16, 2015. According to the sources, the Syrians were in two separate “family units” and were apprehended at the Juarez Lincoln Bridge in Laredo, Texas, also known officially as Port of Entry 1.

the DHS followed up to the local NBC station:

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Syrians-Arrested-Trying-to-Cross-Texas-Border-Report-351721471.html

DHS confirms that on Tuesday, members of two Syrian families, two men, two women and four children, presented themselves at a port of entry in Laredo. They were taken into custody by CBP and turned over to ICE for further processing. The two adult women and four children were transferred to the South Texas Family Residential Center in Dilley, Texas. The two men from these families are being held at the South Texas Detention Center in Pearsall Texas. Due to privacy issues, no additional information will be provided at this time.

goole, Thursday, 19 November 2015 18:07 (eight years ago) link

spot the difference

goole, Thursday, 19 November 2015 18:07 (eight years ago) link

"family units" = phalanxes of Muslim stormtroopers

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 November 2015 18:10 (eight years ago) link

that toddler might be stuffed with anthrax, you just never know

Οὖτις, Thursday, 19 November 2015 18:11 (eight years ago) link

Thanks, Οὖτις. That was what I expected.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 19 November 2015 18:14 (eight years ago) link

pretty good replies to this

‏@RandPaul
My amendment will end housing assistance to refugees. It sends a clear message to the president. We have control of the power of the purse!

https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/667090048588771328

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 19 November 2015 19:51 (eight years ago) link

I'm glad that these brave souls are willing to put the weak and powerless in their place. Countdown to a compassionate conservative proposal to just euthanize the lot.

Say Goodbye To That Blood (Old Lunch), Thursday, 19 November 2015 20:27 (eight years ago) link

maybe the plan is if we shed enough freedoms we wont have any more for them to hate us fo

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 19 November 2015 20:29 (eight years ago) link

WASHINGTON (AP) — In a stinging rebuke to President Barack Obama by Republicans as well as members of his own party, the House ignored a veto threat Thursday and overwhelmingly approved Republican legislation erecting fresh hurdles for Syrian and Iraqi refugees trying to enter the United States.

Dozens of Democrats joined Republicans as the House passed the measure 289-137. That margin exceeded the two-thirds majority required to override a veto, and it came despite a rushed, early morning visit to the Capitol by top administration officials in a futile attempt to limit Democratic defections for the measure.

Karl Malone, Thursday, 19 November 2015 20:30 (eight years ago) link

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a1/Picard_as_Locutus.jpg

resistance is futile

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 19 November 2015 20:31 (eight years ago) link

the democrats who voted for this fucking thing:

https://twitter.com/polyphonique/status/667435878168547329

polyphonic, Thursday, 19 November 2015 20:33 (eight years ago) link

47 democrats voted for it:

Rep. Sanford Bishop Jr. [D] GA
Rep. Jim Cooper [D] TN
Rep. Lloyd Doggett [D] TX
Rep. Gene Green [D] TX
Rep. Steve Israel [D] NY
Rep. Marcy Kaptur [D] OH
Rep. Ron Kind [D] WI
Rep. James “Jim” Langevin [D] RI
Rep. Stephen Lynch [D] MA
Rep. Collin Peterson [D] MN
Rep. Tim Ryan [D] OH
Rep. David Scott [D] GA
Rep. Louise Slaughter [D] NY
Rep. Jim Costa [D] CA
Rep. Daniel Lipinski [D] IL
Rep. Henry Cuellar [D] TX
Rep. Richard Nolan [D] MN
Rep. Joe Courtney [D] CT
Rep. David Loebsack [D] IA
Rep. Timothy Walz [D] MN
Rep. Gerald Connolly [D] VA
Rep. James Himes [D] CT
Rep. Jared Polis [D] CO
Rep. Kurt Schrader [D] OR
Rep. John Garamendi [D] CA
Rep. Terri Sewell [D] AL
Rep. John Carney [D] DE
Rep. William Keating [D] MA
Rep. Janice Hahn [D] CA
Rep. Kyrsten Sinema [D] AZ
Rep. Ami Bera [D] CA
Rep. Julia Brownley [D] CA
Rep. Raul Ruiz [D] CA
Rep. Scott Peters [D] CA
Rep. Patrick Murphy [D] FL
Rep. Tulsi Gabbard [D] HI
Rep. Cheri Bustos [D] IL
Rep. John Delaney [D] MD
Rep. Ann Kuster [D] NH
Rep. Sean Maloney [D] NY
Rep. Marc Veasey [D] TX
Rep. Filemon Vela [D] TX
Rep. Donald Norcross [D] NJ
Rep. Pete Aguilar [D] CA
Rep. Gwen Graham [D] FL
Rep. Brad Ashford [D] NE
Rep. Kathleen Rice [D] NY

Karl Malone, Thursday, 19 November 2015 20:34 (eight years ago) link

sorry for weird copy and paste from excel

Karl Malone, Thursday, 19 November 2015 20:35 (eight years ago) link

xpost oops, polyphonic beat me to it

Karl Malone, Thursday, 19 November 2015 20:35 (eight years ago) link

all coward sell outs.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 19 November 2015 20:36 (eight years ago) link

My fucking dem rep (Kurt Schrader) voted for it. Time for some strongly worded outrage from me to land squarely in his lap, I guess.

Aimless, Thursday, 19 November 2015 20:36 (eight years ago) link

one of the better wisconsin congressmen voted for it too

motherfuckers

wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 19 November 2015 20:37 (eight years ago) link

"Defeating terrorism should not mean slamming the door in the faces of those fleeing the terrorists. We might as well take down the Statue of Liberty," said Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y.

seriously, they should really take it down. what's the point

Karl Malone, Thursday, 19 November 2015 20:39 (eight years ago) link

maybe we can tear it down and then construct some sort of massive machine that uses it to pummel refugees

Karl Malone, Thursday, 19 November 2015 20:40 (eight years ago) link

Rep. Steve Israel [D] NY
Rep. Louise Slaughter [D] NY

what's in a name?

wasn't Marcy Kaptur a solid liberal a few years ago?

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 19 November 2015 20:40 (eight years ago) link

Yeah, I was just gonna say, Marcy Kaptur?!?!?! WTF??

Resting Bushface (Phil D.), Thursday, 19 November 2015 20:41 (eight years ago) link

greg sargent:

An astounding 47 House Democrats voted for the bill, which is actually a lower number than Democratic leaders feared. Earlier today a House Dem source told me that as many as 100 Dems were at risk.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2015/11/19/can-democrats-block-the-gop-bill-stalling-syrian-refugees/

Karl Malone, Thursday, 19 November 2015 20:41 (eight years ago) link

And why would Keith Ellison not vote on this?

Resting Bushface (Phil D.), Thursday, 19 November 2015 20:42 (eight years ago) link

Rep. Patrick Murphy [D] FL

the Wasserman-Schultz-approved candidate in the Senate race.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 November 2015 20:43 (eight years ago) link

We don't really need to go as far as taking down the Statue of Liberty. I don't think it would be that difficult to replace the torch arm with one that's flipping the bird.

All jokes aside, this is a disgusting and shameful moment for our country. Congratulations, human waste.

Say Goodbye To That Blood (Old Lunch), Thursday, 19 November 2015 20:44 (eight years ago) link

And why would Keith Ellison not vote on this?

Maybe he felt there was a conflict of interest? That was my guess.

polyphonic, Thursday, 19 November 2015 20:45 (eight years ago) link

This is my rep:

Washington, D.C. – Today, Congressman Donald M. Payne, Jr. (NJ-10) released the following statement after voting against H.R. 4038, the American SAFE Act of 2015. This House Republican legislation would immediately halt resettlement of refugees from Syria and Iraq:

“My top priority is the safety and security of my constituents. And, as Ranking Member of the Homeland Security Subcommittee on Emergency Preparedness, Response, and Communications, I understand the seriousness of the threat ISIS poses to the United States and our allies, and to the entire world. We must be vigilant against this terrorist group.

“At the same time, we have a moral and humanitarian obligation to provide refuge to the people escaping the very terrorist violence our nation is working to eradicate, including Syrians. These refugees are rigorously vetted, more so than any other group entering our nation. To abandon these people would be to abandon the very values that define our nation.

“ISIS seeks to destroy innocent lives; those are the lives we must steadfastly protect.”

the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Thursday, 19 November 2015 20:45 (eight years ago) link

So glad I live in Marcia Fudge's district and not Kaptur's.

Resting Bushface (Phil D.), Thursday, 19 November 2015 20:48 (eight years ago) link

Why didn't they just cut to the chase and call this thing the Giving ISIS Exactly What They Want Act of 2015?

Say Goodbye To That Blood (Old Lunch), Thursday, 19 November 2015 20:48 (eight years ago) link

My congressman issued shrewd doublespeak:

After last week’s horrific terrorist attacks in Paris and Beirut, it is clear that our country must help those suffering at the hands of ISIS. The refugees currently fleeing the Middle East seek the same freedoms that we as Americans are blessed to enjoy. I want to ensure our country remains a place of refuge and hope for oppressed people from all over the world, while granting our law enforcement officials the tools they need to properly screen each refugee and keep Americans safe. The ultimate solution for this tragic refugee crisis is to defeat and destroy ISIS and clear the path for new leadership in Syria. On this, our country must lead.”

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 November 2015 20:53 (eight years ago) link

these chuckleheads seem to think that liberty and compassion are reasonable only when politically expedient and that both law and human decency is justified in capitulation under duress. it's despicable.

i made a scope for my laser musket out of some (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 19 November 2015 20:53 (eight years ago) link

While I was initially pretty pissed about this, I had a thought: could this move toward some kind of political compromise where the GOP gets to announce that it imposed "new, harsher screening measures" that don't in fact make it much more difficult than the already onerous process? That might shut up a lot of the opposition and ultimately allow us to let in a decent number of refugees.

on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Thursday, 19 November 2015 20:55 (eight years ago) link

Also, any read on what support for this looks like in the Senate?

on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Thursday, 19 November 2015 20:56 (eight years ago) link

the NYT story suggested it was more difficult, but so is courage.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 November 2015 20:57 (eight years ago) link

xpost

they are afraid of their constituents

no less despicable though

wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 19 November 2015 20:58 (eight years ago) link

Where was Ellison?

FYI he's Tweeted a photo of a cop pointing a gun at one of his kids at the BLM Mpls protest yesterday, and might have been attending to that.

voodoo rage (suzy), Thursday, 19 November 2015 20:58 (eight years ago) link

Garamendi from CA! what a shitbag

Οὖτις, Thursday, 19 November 2015 21:01 (eight years ago) link

David French:

We know ISIS is trying to strike America. We know ISIS has already successfully infiltrated the West through the refugee system. And we know from other contexts that our vetting process can be deadly deficient. Can someone then please tell me why the Obama administration and its allies are so derisive and condescending towards those who would rather help refugees overseas than bring them to America?

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/427375/60-more-nro-staff

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 November 2015 21:03 (eight years ago) link

Not sure what effect it will have, but my godforsaken rep just received a red hot email one minute ago.

Aimless, Thursday, 19 November 2015 21:06 (eight years ago) link

Department of Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson and White House chief of staff Dennis McDonough made their case against the measure in a closed-door meeting, but members coming out of meeting said their pitch wasn’t effective.

“I’ve seen better presentations in my time here,” said Democratic Rep. Steve Israel of New York, who was still undecided. “They may have strong arguments on their side, but they’re not expressing those strong arguments sufficiently.”

“There’s no question that the Republicans have expertly politicized this,” Israel, who runs House Democrats’ messaging strategy, added.

jfc stfu steve israel

Karl Malone, Thursday, 19 November 2015 21:12 (eight years ago) link

there's no question that he's a cowardly fuck

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 November 2015 21:13 (eight years ago) link

presentation needed more star wipes?

Οὖτις, Thursday, 19 November 2015 21:14 (eight years ago) link

my letter:

Rep. Curbelo -

Thank you for the splendid display of political expediency today. Without men like you taking easy stands, we wouldn't know how to raise our children in a world of tough decisions. I'm especially proud of how, like me, a product of Miami's boys Catholic high school system can ignore what he was taught about critical thinking.

Congratulations on making us a mockery for the terrorists who want to destroy us. And the Syrians who already found EXISTING laws difficult appreciate your devotion to their cause.

"Capitulation under duress" should be your next campaign slogan.

Best,

as

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 November 2015 21:14 (eight years ago) link

House Democrats’ messaging strategy = we're Republicans

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 19 November 2015 21:16 (eight years ago) link

The measure faces an uncertain future in the Senate. Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) pledged Thursday that the Syria bill won’t make it to Obama’s desk. Senators will likely attempt to tack the measure as a rider to the government spending bill that Congress has to address in December.

“We’ve explained here in some detail [that] the problem is not with refugees. I haven’t read the House language,” Reid said during a press conference on Thursday. “I don’t think we’re going to be dealing with it over here.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/syria-refugee-bill-vote-216053#ixzz3ryTNCZPI

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 November 2015 21:16 (eight years ago) link

To: Curbelo.house.gov
From: CurbeloIntern2.house.gov
Subject: RE: Latest version of constituent feedback summary doc?

http://i.imgur.com/MVasrLO.jpg

Karl Malone, Thursday, 19 November 2015 21:22 (eight years ago) link

Automatically started looking for my Rep on that list of Democrats before remembering, oh yeah, we don't have any Democratic Reps anymore.

pplains, Thursday, 19 November 2015 21:23 (eight years ago) link

appreciated finally calibrated irony

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 November 2015 21:23 (eight years ago) link

i avoid sarcasm when sending screeds to my representatives

wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 19 November 2015 21:23 (eight years ago) link

my congressman is a graduate of a fine Jesuit academy – he understands being spread eagled

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 November 2015 21:24 (eight years ago) link

Only if he ever reads the text of your message. Presumably, he'll be flooded on the subject and no aide is likely to choose yours as a representative example to put in front of him. Too bad. It was ace.

Aimless, Thursday, 19 November 2015 22:08 (eight years ago) link

democracy demagoguery in action

carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 19 November 2015 22:42 (eight years ago) link

This again--- 5 items (largely House Republican riders to appropriations bills) that could cause a government shutdown

the biggest holdups are 1) funding for Syrian refugees; 2) Dividing up a $30 billion spending increase both sides have agreed to in principle; 3) Environmental policy riders; 4) Crop insurance subsidies; and 5) a GOP push roll back financial regulations.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2015/11/20/the-five-things-that-could-still-force-a-government-shutdown/?wpmm=1&wpisrc=nl_daily202

curmudgeon, Friday, 20 November 2015 14:55 (eight years ago) link

Bbbbbbut what about repealing Obamacare???

Οὖτις, Friday, 20 November 2015 15:16 (eight years ago) link

Re: the funding Syrian refugees option:

“I would be surprised if there are going to be a lot of Democrats who are going to object if we take a thoughtful, reasonable approach to this,” Thune said.

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 20 November 2015 15:19 (eight years ago) link

Labott’s crime wasn’t that she expressed an opinion. It’s that she expressed the wrong opinion: after Paris, defending Muslims, even refugees, is strictly forbidden. I’ve spoken with friends who work at every cable network and they say the post-Paris climate is indescribably repressive in terms of what they can say and who they can put on air. When it comes to the Paris attacks, CNN has basically become state TV (to see just how subservient CNN is about everything relating to terrorism, watch this unbelievable “interview” of ex-CIA chief Jim Woolsey by CNN’s Brooke Baldwin; or consider that neither CNN nor MSNBC has put a single person on air to dispute the CIA’s blatant falsehoods about Paris despite how many journalists have documented those falsehoods).

https://theintercept.com/2015/11/20/cnns-punishment-of-refugee-defending-journalist-highlights-media-abdication/

https://twitter.com/sts10/status/667428763660115968

i would've like to hear Woolsey say, like William Campbell's Squire of Gothos on Star Trek TOS, that Snowden should be hanged until he is DEAD DEAD DEAD.

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Friday, 20 November 2015 19:13 (eight years ago) link

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/john-edwards-claiming-win-over-david-vitter-in-louisiana-governors-race/2015/11/21/a583fc06-9070-11e5-ae1f-af46b7df8483_story.html?hpid=hp_rhp-top-table-high_louisiananew1018pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory

A democratic win in the south! Although an old-school Southern Dem

From the start of his run, Edwards knew any chance of victory hinged on distinguishing himself from the prevailing image of Democrats among voters. In meetings with small groups in rural parishes, he touted his opposition to abortion and strong support for gun ownership. He had fellow members of West Point class speak about his character and values.

curmudgeon, Sunday, 22 November 2015 19:27 (eight years ago) link

So what exactly makes him a democrat?

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 22 November 2015 20:06 (eight years ago) link

Louisiana gets Medicaid health care from the feds now.

pplains, Sunday, 22 November 2015 20:13 (eight years ago) link

related to Obamacare, etc.

pplains, Sunday, 22 November 2015 20:13 (eight years ago) link

So he's pro gun and anti-abortion but ... pro Obamacare? He must have a lot of friends down there.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 23 November 2015 02:20 (eight years ago) link

Shows you how many friends David Vitter has!

pplains, Monday, 23 November 2015 02:22 (eight years ago) link

haw. http://johnbelforobama.com/

pplains, Monday, 23 November 2015 02:24 (eight years ago) link

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/22/opinion/sunday/who-turned-my-blue-state-red.html

In eastern Kentucky and other former Democratic bastions that have swung Republican in the past several decades, the people who most rely on the safety-net programs secured by Democrats are, by and large, not voting against their own interests by electing Republicans. Rather, they are not voting, period.

Stay at home white poor folks not vote for Republican white poor folks....

curmudgeon, Monday, 23 November 2015 20:01 (eight years ago) link

The people in these communities who are voting Republican in larger proportions are those who are a notch or two up the economic ladder — the sheriff’s deputy, the teacher, the highway worker, the motel clerk, the gas station owner and the coal miner. And their growing allegiance to the Republicans is, in part, a reaction against what they perceive, among those below them on the economic ladder, as a growing dependency on the safety net, the most visible manifestation of downward mobility in their declining towns.

curmudgeon, Monday, 23 November 2015 20:01 (eight years ago) link

what's it like to be from a small town and actually like small towns

pizza rolls are a food that exists (silby), Tuesday, 24 November 2015 01:29 (eight years ago) link

global travel alert for US citizens til Feb 24

travel to Canada not included, right? free n' easy there

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 24 November 2015 01:49 (eight years ago) link

it's Canadia.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 November 2015 01:50 (eight years ago) link

godfuckalmighty

Avi Selk
‏@aviselk
The anti-Islam group that took guns to an Irving mosque has published the home addresses of dozens of local Muslims

http://irvingblog.dallasnews.com/2015/11/group-that-brought-guns-to-irving-mosque-publishes-muslims-home-addresses.html/

Murtaza Hussain ‏
@MazMHussain
I can see why Clock Boy and his family decided to move from this town to Qatar.

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 26 November 2015 01:56 (eight years ago) link

yup.

wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 26 November 2015 05:13 (eight years ago) link

Gov. Andrew Cuomo and Sen. Chuck Schumer announced Tuesday that plans by aluminum giant Alcoa to close its North Country smelter have been averted due to a $70 million state aid package that will save its 600 jobs through at least early 2019.

However, during a news conference at the Massena plant, Schumer also said he had earlier helped Alcoa get a scaled-back federal cleanup of toxic PCBs from the Grasse River to help the plant stay open, and felt "betrayed" when the corporation announced last month the smelter was to close by early next year.

"We worked hard to come to an agreement with the federal Environmental Protection Agency," Schumer said. Alcoa CEO Klaus Kleinfeld "told me you make sure we don't have to put up a billion dollars to clean up the Grasse River, and we will put it into this plant ... when I read in the newspaper that the plant was closing, I felt totally betrayed."

http://www.timesunion.com/business/article/Alcoa-jobs-saved-in-North-Country-6655805.php

Great job, Chuck Schumer

Karl Malone, Monday, 30 November 2015 14:23 (eight years ago) link

i mean i know it's obvious to everyone here but like just employ those 600 people and have them clean up trash on the highways with that 70 million my fucking god...

How Butch, I mean (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 30 November 2015 16:32 (eight years ago) link

i think politicians have a really reactionary response to this kind of stuff.... like as soon as any business threatens layoffs they start thinking "what concessions can i provide to keep that from happening?" just so they don't have to face those dozen people yelling at them about jobs... rather than step back and think about the bigger picture.

wizzz! (amateurist), Monday, 30 November 2015 17:02 (eight years ago) link

this is one of the baselines of politics, it has nothing to do with party or ideology.

wizzz! (amateurist), Monday, 30 November 2015 17:02 (eight years ago) link

@jaketapper
tomorrow 11 am: Unveiling Ceremony of the Marble Bust of VP Dick Cheney at the United States Capitol Visitor Center, Emancipation Hall

‏@mattduss
A great sign to the world of how seriously the US takes the ban on torture.

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 2 December 2015 17:15 (eight years ago) link

you're on Twitter?

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 December 2015 17:16 (eight years ago) link

nope

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 2 December 2015 17:19 (eight years ago) link

Here's the followup: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/more-on-that-most-important-study

you're breaking the NAP (DJP), Wednesday, 2 December 2015 18:48 (eight years ago) link

Yeah follow up (on Gelman's study) complicate things somewhat.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 2 December 2015 18:57 (eight years ago) link

they complicate Marshall's primary conclusions quite a bit

Thomas H. Handy (dandydonweiner), Wednesday, 2 December 2015 21:51 (eight years ago) link

what were Marshall's primary conclusions again?

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 2 December 2015 21:52 (eight years ago) link

the way I read this part:

Beneath the often febrile and sometimes race-tinged Republican talk about Obama "radically tranforming" America, or being a socialist whose erasing American 'exceptionalism' or various other regular themes on Fox News, one fairly straightforward, clear message is almost always discernible: The country people know, their country, is being taken away from them.

...in summary is that white people are mad because Govmit and immigrants and Obama...and their coping mechanisms (or inability to cope physiologically) is bad for their life expectancy.

Thomas H. Handy (dandydonweiner), Wednesday, 2 December 2015 21:56 (eight years ago) link

(and in fact, it's worse for white life expectancy for a certain demographic than other demos in the study.)

Thomas H. Handy (dandydonweiner), Wednesday, 2 December 2015 21:57 (eight years ago) link

But Gelman et al pointed out that methodology and reporting had ignored some nuances--what was driving the life expectancy numbers in Marshall's conclusions was actually women in that demo.

I don't think many people would have ever guessed that.

Thomas H. Handy (dandydonweiner), Wednesday, 2 December 2015 21:59 (eight years ago) link

"How many times do we have to learn not to fuck with banking laws from the 1930s?"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trust-indenture-act_5661c3f1e4b08e945fef2bbe

flopson, Friday, 4 December 2015 19:40 (eight years ago) link

sounds like those middle age white red state takers need to pull themselves up by their bootstaps

big fat rascal (will), Friday, 4 December 2015 19:57 (eight years ago) link

the point of the marshall article is pretty clear to me. these people are terrified because they're dying.

mattresslessness, Friday, 4 December 2015 20:05 (eight years ago) link

I thought the point was, in addition, that racism paid off for these people, and now it's not paying off anymore, and they're stressed because it gave them enough of an edge to overcome their terrible habits.

droit au butt (Euler), Friday, 4 December 2015 20:28 (eight years ago) link

those follow-up interpretations of the data point out that the increase in mortality rates is more severe among women. i really wonder if the opiate crisis we're in isn't much more severe than we think.

goole, Friday, 4 December 2015 20:30 (eight years ago) link

lol @ talkingpointsmemo guy's blurry screencaps

flopson, Friday, 4 December 2015 20:34 (eight years ago) link

Jon Cogburn has a thorough and thoughtful take on this study (http://www.philpercs.com/2015/11/white-punks-on-dope.html) here's some paragraphs towards the end:

"The New Deal was an astounding success at pulling poor whites out entrenched poverty. Because of concessions to racists to get it passed (primarily by exempting jobs from Social Security that southern African Americans worked in and by designing housing policies that to gut cities and redline everything), it did not function nearly as well for African Americans (please read Ta-Nahesi Coates' article on reparations for a glimpse at the full horror show). But for the Arkansas/Oklahoma Cogburns, and people like us, it was astounding. In one generation you had everyone getting college degrees. Consider my father, who had neither running water nor electricity as a child. He would have died as an infant if he hadn't been carried over to someone who had electricity and a chicken incubator. He had scurvy and life threatening untreated strep throat as a child and as an adult recognized the bit in Angela's Ashes where the kids are excited to get to eat the food at the funerals of their friends. Rural Arkansas/Oklahoma wasn't so different from the poorest parts of pre war Ireland. But my grandfather went to college on the GI Bill and my dad went on a ROTC scholarship during a time when college was incredibly cheap and his cousins, who were impoverished as children, also went to college and had middle class lives.

And the New Deal Consensus broke in the 1970s. All of our public policy innovations since then (privatization, deregulation, 401Ks instead of defined benefit pensions, a tax code that taxes work radically higher than capital, increased immigration, offshoring manufacturing, productivity gains from information technology) have served to ensure unprecedented economic growth that does not go to the actual people doing the overwhelming majority of the work. And any time wages have started to creep up since the 1970s, a recession comes along that serves to increase the reserve army of unemployed and relegitimate all of the other neo-liberal economic policies that are part of the problem.

The recent rapid increase in suicide rates started in 2007 (again, before Obama was President) with the onset great recession. But it also started at the end of thirty years or so of the constant and increasing erosion of the New Deal consensus.

I don't want to pretend that there are easy solutions to any of these problems. I just want to note that the generations being robbed from are the very generations whose parents inculcated the terror of falling back into poverty. The New Deal was largely passed by the "tweener generation," the one just prior to "the greatest generation." It's been dismantled mostly by the greatest generation (Tom Brokaw and Stephen Ambrose are full of it) with baby boomer help. And the victims of the dismantling are boomers not in on the grift and the children and grandchildren of the boomers. The downwardly mobile people who inherited bad Calvinism and whose parents and grandparents benefited from the New Deal can't handle it. They hate themselves."

rap is dad (it's a boy!), Friday, 4 December 2015 21:17 (eight years ago) link

meh, everyone reads their favorite political economic narrative into case/deaton, truth is no one knows why the trends they found are happening yet

flopson, Friday, 4 December 2015 21:28 (eight years ago) link

^

k3vin k., Friday, 4 December 2015 21:30 (eight years ago) link

he not busy not being white is bein busy dying

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 December 2015 21:30 (eight years ago) link

lol, nice

flopson, Friday, 4 December 2015 21:31 (eight years ago) link

what's your favorite political economic narrative?

rap is dad (it's a boy!), Friday, 4 December 2015 21:37 (eight years ago) link

to explain case deaton? i'm agnostic, but it's probably something boring and medical not something sexy and political

that Cogburn quote is a perfect distillation of a certain stripe of nativist left-liberal windbag for whom everything can be traced back to the end of the new deal, but who doesn't really understand anything about the new deal or since and makes halfbaked attempts at causal claims like "The recent rapid increase in suicide rates started in 2007 (again, before Obama was President) with the onset great recession. But it also started at the end of thirty years or so of the constant and increasing erosion of the New Deal consensus" (how does he know that the end of the thirty year erosion happened in 2007? lol) and whose worldview is basically "lets reset to the policies when white people had good jobs and there weren't so many immigrants and we didn't have to compete with the chinese and hope that everything else goes back too"

flopson, Friday, 4 December 2015 21:40 (eight years ago) link

ok tahnks

rap is dad (it's a boy!), Friday, 4 December 2015 21:42 (eight years ago) link

i was maybe overly harsh. i mean obviously the 30 years of assault on poor people and entitlements is a contender for explanation, and is obvs just bad in its own right. but just cause one explanation fits your political beliefs doesnt mean its whats driving the trend

flopson, Friday, 4 December 2015 21:49 (eight years ago) link

i might not have set that up properly because i don't know if he's drawing a causal relationship between his narrative and the study, his piece might be more about the discourse around the study or maybe just 'hey, here's my favorite political economic narrative about why poor white people might hate themselves'

rap is dad (it's a boy!), Friday, 4 December 2015 21:55 (eight years ago) link

the opiate crisis is indeed very real and very bad

rap is dad (it's a boy!), Friday, 4 December 2015 21:56 (eight years ago) link

As a Lite Leninist that article really annoyed me.

Frederik B, Friday, 4 December 2015 21:58 (eight years ago) link

GOP votes to give terrorists guns: http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/gop-blocks-bill-stop-terrorists-buying-guns

Οὖτις, Friday, 4 December 2015 22:09 (eight years ago) link

Haha

rap is dad (it's a boy!), Friday, 4 December 2015 23:30 (eight years ago) link

As a Lite Leninist that article really annoyed me.

― Frederik B

Then it at least got something right

rap is dad (it's a boy!), Friday, 4 December 2015 23:35 (eight years ago) link

couldn't find the primaries thread on my phone but this killed me ... his face lmao

https://twitter.com/rey_z/status/673205461538217984

flopson, Sunday, 6 December 2015 02:07 (eight years ago) link

sentences from a NYT op-ed article that effortless summarize life in the U.S. in 2015

"Unable to curb the availability of guns at home or extremist propaganda from overseas, the authorities may have to rely more on encouraging Americans to watch one another and report suspicions."

Karl Malone, Sunday, 6 December 2015 03:02 (eight years ago) link

"Mr. Johnson said the government should continue to augment airline security by placing more agents in overseas departure airports and further toughen standards for the visa waiver program that allows visitors from certain friendly nations easy entry into the country."

thanks Obama, I'm sure more US federal agents in Dubai International will stop attacks like this one. & yes making it harder for French citizens to visit the USA will also help a lot. & this is under president Obama!

“It’ll gradually dawn on people...that we’ll be living for a long time with the possibility of low-level attacks that can never be predicted and can rarely be prevented.”

isn't that already true for Americans? why is this shooting worthy of this kind of attention? I don't have any sense of why this is so important. is it just that it's election season?

droit au butt (Euler), Sunday, 6 December 2015 12:38 (eight years ago) link

lol at "whup her"

Eugene Goostman (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 6 December 2015 17:59 (eight years ago) link

Jeh's not the sharpest tool in the shed, no. He needs to shut his mouth about this shooting and get to fixing the Secret Service.
Obama's record as a selector / evaluator of top people for Cabinet positions has been an ever-growing footnote for Twilight Of The Elites.

El Tomboto, Sunday, 6 December 2015 19:01 (eight years ago) link

the audience reaction in that "whup her" bit was doctored, it's not quite as awkward in the real context.

putting fake derisive crowd noises in political speeches would be a brilliant way to manipulate voters, though. surprised it hasn't become a trend.

welltris (crüt), Sunday, 6 December 2015 20:43 (eight years ago) link

how about fart noises and seinfeld bass slaps

a silly gif of awkward larping (Sparkle Motion), Sunday, 6 December 2015 21:29 (eight years ago) link

putting fake derisive crowd noises in political speeches would be a brilliant way to manipulate voters, though. surprised it hasn't become a trend.

Reminds me of William S. Burroughs' idea of starting riots by playing the sound of riots through hidden tape decks while walking around in crowds.

the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Sunday, 6 December 2015 21:52 (eight years ago) link

It's been done: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1940_Democratic_National_Convention

One biographer wrote that Barkley's message "can scarcely be said to have conveyed the whole or literal truth".[3] When it ended, the convention sat in shocked silence for a moment. The silence was then broken by a voice thundering over the stadium loudspeakers: "We want Roosevelt! We want Roosevelt!" The voice was Thomas D. Garry, Superintendent of Chicago's Department of Sanitation (the sewers department), a trusted henchman of Chicago Mayor Ed Kelly. Garry was stationed in a basement room with a microphone, waiting for that moment. Kelly had posted hundreds of Chicago city workers and precinct captains around the hall; other Democratic bosses had brought followers from their home territories. All of them joined Garry's chant. Within a few seconds, hundreds of delegates joined in. Many poured into the aisles, carrying state delegation standards for impromptu demonstrations. Whenever the chant began to die down, state chairmen, who also had microphones connected to the speakers, added their own endorsements: "New Jersey wants Roosevelt! Arizona wants Roosevelt! Iowa wants Roosevelt!"[4]

The effect of the "voice from the sewers" was overwhelming. The next day Roosevelt was nominated by an 86% majority.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 6 December 2015 21:58 (eight years ago) link

tallulah bankhead's father came in second for the veep nod, he died a couple of months later. sam rayburn replaced him as speaker of the house.

balls, Monday, 7 December 2015 02:39 (eight years ago) link

lol @ that tie

Οὖτις, Monday, 7 December 2015 21:36 (eight years ago) link

Civil war story:

“I used to spend ninety per cent of my constituent response time on people who call, e-mail, or send a letter, such as, ‘I really like this bill, H.R. 123,’ and they really believe in it because they heard about it through one of the groups that they belong to, but their view was based on actual legislation,” Nunes said. “Ten per cent were about ‘Chemtrails from airplanes are poisoning me’ to every other conspiracy theory that’s out there. And that has essentially flipped on its head.” The overwhelming majority of his constituent mail is now about the far-out ideas, and only a small portion is “based on something that is mostly true.” He added, “It’s dramatically changed politics and politicians, and what they’re doing.”

Nunes first heard about the shutdown strategy in 2013 from a caller on a talk-radio show back home in the late summer. “I said, ‘I don’t know where you’re hearing this from, but it doesn’t work,’ ” he told me. Then the idea went viral. “By the time we got back here in September, you had over half the members of our caucus who really believed we could shut the government down and ultimately Obama would repeal Obamacare.”

Suck it, pal.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 December 2015 21:38 (eight years ago) link

putting fake derisive crowd noises in political speeches would be a brilliant way to manipulate voters, though. surprised it hasn't become a trend.

Howard Dean's post-caucus speech where the widely-circulated version was direct from his mic, rather than from the room, made him seem a lot more unhinged than reality would indicate

μpright mammal (mh), Monday, 7 December 2015 21:40 (eight years ago) link

feels a little weird that I came away from that Paul Ryan story thinking that maybe he's doing a better job than Boehner and maybe he'll be more successful at curbing the more extremist tendencies of house republicans

Check Yr Scrobbles (Moodles), Monday, 7 December 2015 21:44 (eight years ago) link

he's one of them!

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 December 2015 21:52 (eight years ago) link

We've reached the point when Paul Ryan is Adlai Stevenson.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 December 2015 21:52 (eight years ago) link

well he is one of the younger generation's foremost intellects it's true

j., Monday, 7 December 2015 22:01 (eight years ago) link

not u.s. politics but oddly familiar...

National Front Gets a Boost in French Regional Elections

Although President François Hollande has earned widespread approval for his handling of the terrorist attacks here, and Nicolas Sarkozy, his predecessor, is still pursuing a comeback plan to propel him and his center-right party back into power, the most significant political figure in France — some would argue the most powerful — is Marine Le Pen, the leader of the far right.

Ms. Le Pen led her far-right National Front to a first-place finish in the initial round of regional elections on Sunday, a huge step forward in her plan to transform a fringe movement into a credible party of government.

The result left both Mr. Hollande’s Socialists and Mr. Sarkozy’s Republicans groping on Monday for ways to thwart Ms. Le Pen’s ascendance and increasingly worried that she is emerging as the candidate to beat in the presidential elections in 18 months. It also highlighted the appeal of baldly nationalist messages on both sides of the Atlantic at a time when traditional parties are struggling to address the insecurities of voters facing economic dislocation and a sense of vulnerability to terrorism.

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 8 December 2015 17:07 (eight years ago) link

one difference is that the Front Nationale nowadays is committed to keeping the welfare state. their one big issue is immigration. not to say that doesn't make them fascist (I am an immigrant here after all) but "at least" you don't get the warmongering like you with today's GOP

droit au butt (Euler), Tuesday, 8 December 2015 17:12 (eight years ago) link

oh and eliminating the American welfare state such as it is

droit au butt (Euler), Tuesday, 8 December 2015 17:13 (eight years ago) link

i've also heard (not looked into it too deeply myself) that this Le Pen is trying to push an anti-abortion message, which has always been a seriously marginal concern in france.

goole, Tuesday, 8 December 2015 17:45 (eight years ago) link

she's a nominal Catholic (divorced iirc) but the contraception/abortion stuff is a marginal issue if at all

I fear the effect of an Islamist attack on a church here though (the authorities stopped one such plot in Villejuif already). the Catholic block (not just inside my head) is leftist here but it could be destabilized. reckon it's the same in the USA

droit au butt (Euler), Tuesday, 8 December 2015 18:01 (eight years ago) link

I guess I didn't think much about the fact that B-52s are still the main US bombers... 'cept they haven't built any since 1962! And don't plan to repolace them until 2040! Some of the technical slapstick in this article is jawdropping.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/06/us/b-52s-us-air-force-bombers.html

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 8 December 2015 20:22 (eight years ago) link

B1 & B2 successor bomber ideas both failed...Wow.

Meanwhile on Capitol hill there may be need for a temporary budget extension, because despite some deals ---

Republicans are confident they'll be able to lift a ban on exporting crude oil, though the GOP is wary of acceding to Democratic demands on environmental policy in return for allowing such sales. Democrats are relieved Republicans aren't fighting to strip funds from Planned Parenthood.

One major open question is how Congress will handle the Syrian refugee crisis, and whether the issue gets caught up in the year-end spending fight. The House will vote Tuesday to tighten restrictions on visa-free travel by visitors to the U.S. GOP leaders privately hope that the vote will take pressure off them to include additional certifications for Syrian and Iraqi refugees to the U.S. in the must-pass spending bill. President Barack Obama and Democrat have strongly opposed inclusion of any refugee language in the omnibus bill.

Yet there are still big disputes between the two parties over environmental policy provisions, including global warming and clean water programs. The disagreements have Democrats vowing to oppose the omnibus package in its current form. Furthermore, Republicans are planning to go it alone on a massive, two-year package of popular tax breaks, known as extenders, after talks all but broke down with Democrats.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/budget-congress-deadline-overtime-216507#ixzz3tlQOzSwG

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 8 December 2015 20:45 (eight years ago) link

The non-Politico take:

"Right now it is a nonstarter because of the riders that are in it," House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said after leaving a closed-door meeting of her caucus in the Capitol. "But we're hopeful, we're hopeful that we can find a path on it."

....

Lowey suggested a deal on the omnibus — which aides have been negotiating around the clock — was nearly at hand, until Ryan sought to link it to another measure that would renew a slate of expired tax breaks.

"In Appropriations, we were ready to move ahead. In fact, the expectation was that we were going to vote for it on Wednesday," Lowey said of the omnibus. "And then they decided to mix up the tax extenders with the omnibus, and we'll see where the Speaker wants to go.

"Why is it in his hands?” she asked. "Because he runs this place. The Democrats don't run it. And until the Speaker and Sen. [Mitch] McConnell [R-Ky.] are ready to put this together, we cannot move forward."

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/262433-pelosi-gop-see-spending-talks-stall-as-deadline-looms

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 8 December 2015 20:50 (eight years ago) link

xp the Russians still use a bomber of a similar vintage, with a similar retirement date:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-95

notably the Russian bomber isn't even a jet aircraft -- it's a turboprop o_O

μpright mammal (mh), Tuesday, 8 December 2015 21:45 (eight years ago) link

Pelosi has stepped up her efforts in recent days on both the spending bill and legislation addressing a slew of lapsed and expiring tax breaks known as ‘extenders.’ On the spending bill, she has sought to block all GOP policy measures, or ‘riders,’ that Democrats don’t like.”

Will see if she "compromises" though...

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 9 December 2015 15:05 (eight years ago) link

she never compromises unless she gets something in return

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 9 December 2015 17:03 (eight years ago) link

and now we all know the definition of the word "compromise"

you're breaking the NAP (DJP), Wednesday, 9 December 2015 17:06 (eight years ago) link

yr welcome

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 9 December 2015 17:09 (eight years ago) link

the DC definition is the Democrats surrendering 10x consecutively

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 9 December 2015 17:10 (eight years ago) link

Depends on what state you live in...

From that article--

Others are concerned that the legislation returns the country to a time when some states and districts ignored the needs of struggling students.

“The reason we evolved to a more centralized system is because local school districts failed to act effectively on their own,” said Thomas Toch, an education policy expert at Georgetown University’s McCourt School of Public Policy. “Many students were left behind in the era of local control, and now we’re going back to that era. It puts school districts in charge of fixing failing schools, the same school districts that are running the failing schools now.”

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 9 December 2015 18:42 (eight years ago) link

No Child Left Behind is clearly a total failure so idk. Is it wrong to suggest that it's kinda up to the local district residents to improve their districts? that's how public schools work.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 9 December 2015 18:48 (eight years ago) link

when people complain to me about public schools my response is usually "what are you doing to make them better"

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 9 December 2015 18:48 (eight years ago) link

(fwiw both my parents were public school employees, my wife is on the PTA of our kids' school, this sort of thing is bred into me)

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 9 December 2015 18:49 (eight years ago) link

pretty much agree w/ that

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 9 December 2015 18:58 (eight years ago) link

That's amazing news. I ultimately pulled the plug on several years of schooling as an education major because I wanted to work in public schools but was also all-too-aware that dealing with the injustices of NCLB on a daily basis was going to drive me insane.

Some Pizza Grudge From Twenty Years Ago (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 9 December 2015 18:59 (eight years ago) link

the DC definition is the Democrats surrendering 10x consecutively

One of those senators should filibuster or threaten to shut the government down.

pplains, Wednesday, 9 December 2015 19:00 (eight years ago) link

I think No Child Left Behind had some decent goals and went about them in the completely wrong way and is an unmitigated disaster

This is partial mitigation, but it's mostly a rollback. All the teacher friends of mine are going to be able to concentrate more on what they should be doing instead of rolling through waves of counterproductive testing, but the states that have never cared about public schools can continue underfunding and hedging with the charter school pyramid scheme bullshit

μpright mammal (mh), Wednesday, 9 December 2015 19:03 (eight years ago) link

yup

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 9 December 2015 19:08 (eight years ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CV4FZUPWcAIrQuK.png

oic

mookieproof, Thursday, 10 December 2015 17:35 (eight years ago) link

hire foreigners to fight isis with the promise of future citizenship and we can complete the transition to the roman empire right now

carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 10 December 2015 17:52 (eight years ago) link

we already hire foreigners to fight ISIS and we didn't even need to promise them citizenship

Mordy, Thursday, 10 December 2015 17:54 (eight years ago) link

^^^

Οὖτις, Thursday, 10 December 2015 17:54 (eight years ago) link

otm

rap is dad (it's a boy!), Thursday, 10 December 2015 18:46 (eight years ago) link

Current standoff on tax issues where Republicans say that indexing the child tax credit so it increases in value with inflation is too expensive, but they want to maintain various corporate ones, and will only agree to phase them out if Dems drop the indexing request:

The tax package would phase out over five years a bonus depreciation tax break for corporations, which was intended as a short-term stimulus measure, and two provisions that benefit foreign corporations and American multinational corporations. Republicans wanted to make the corporate breaks permanent, but Democrats and the administration objected, especially given the recent controversy involving Pfizer and other corporations that have acquired foreign companies to relocate in countries with lower corporate taxes.

A tentative trade-off would have Republicans agreeing to the five-year phaseout of the corporate tax breaks they favor in return for Democrats dropping their insistence on indexing the child tax credit so it increases in value with inflation. But House Democrats, led by Representative Nancy Pelosi of California, have been insisting on indexing the child credit.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/05/us/politics/lawmakers-near-deal-on-billions-in-tax-cuts.html

curmudgeon, Thursday, 10 December 2015 19:40 (eight years ago) link

the pro-child, pro-family party

μpright mammal (mh), Thursday, 10 December 2015 19:43 (eight years ago) link

@ggreenwald
Democratic Governor dismisses due process concerns about watchlists as "before attacks in Paris, and...California"

Democratic Gov. Dannel Malloy believes his plan to use an executive order to prevent people on federal terror watchlists from buying guns could spread to other states with the help of a supportive White House, he said in an interview with BuzzFeed News.
And the Connecticut governor defended the use of the no-fly list and terror watchlist as a standard, as many Democrats, including President Obama, have in recent weeks — something that has disrupted frequent liberal skepticism toward those lists over the years.
“This has got to be subject to appeal or review, but I prefer that review take place before we sell a gun to someone on the list as opposed to after. It’s kind of common sense isn’t it?” Malloy told said in an interview Thursday afternoon.
Earlier in the day, the governor publicly announced his plan to add federal watchlists to the existing criteria state regulators use to deny a request for a gun permit, which is required for firearm purchase in Connecticut. The proposal, which he said is still in the formative stages and requires a federal sign-off, once again puts Malloy at the center of the gun control debate, though in a different way than when he helped guide some of the nation’s strictest gun regulations through the state legislature after Newtown.
That effort pit Malloy against the National Rifle Association. This time, he’s facing opposition from the NRA and other gun rights supporters from the right — but also on concerns about the watchlists themselves, concerns initially voiced during the Bush administration by liberals and libertarians alike....
“I’m a liberal, and I’m saying this,” Malloy said when pressed on left-leaning concerns about the lists. “So what you mean to say is, ‘some liberals say that.’”

http://www.buzzfeed.com/evanmcsan/connecticut-governor-rejects-liberal-concerns-over-using-ter#.ceWEDPq17j

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Friday, 11 December 2015 15:56 (eight years ago) link

[n a case that could help demystify how the FBI deems somebody a terrorist threat, the American Civil Liberties Union argued in federal court Wednesday that the government has failed to comply with an earlier court order to tell people how they wound up on the "no-fly" list.

The case revolves around several Muslim Americans who say they were included on the list unfairly and denied a constitutional right to find out why. The government argues that explaining the process in open court would endanger national security

Bowen argued that the government had no obligation to tell people why they were placed on the list.

"Government is not required in name of due process to put its national security at risk," he said. "The plaintiffs' interest must necessarily give way."....The FBI's Terrorist Screening Center, which operates the list, won't reveal the evidence against those on the list, allow them to question witnesses or challenge the findings in court.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-ff-1210-no-fly-list-20151210-story.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2015/12/10/denying-guns-to-terror-suspects-could-violate-fundamental-rights-a-top-democrat-pushes-back/

curmudgeon, Friday, 11 December 2015 16:00 (eight years ago) link

Here's another one of the "compromises" they are trying to work out on Capital Hill, where Dems always give more than they get

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2015/12/tell-congress-today-keep-crude-oil.html

Sen. Barbara Boxer (Calif.), top Democrat on the Environment and Public Works Committee, shrugged off environmentalist fears about trading conservation and renewables' benefits for oil exports. There is "division" among green groups over whether to cut a deal, she said in a brief interview. "I've heard environmentalists say this is a great opportunity; others say it's not," she said.

Any deal would also likely include some type of aid for refineries in the Northeast that have benefited from cheap domestic crude that cannot be exported currently. Sen. Tom Carper (D-Del.) said he said he is in discussions for an approach "to make whole American refineries that in many cases would simply go out of business" should exports be permitted.

House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) told reporters that oil exports were not objectionable enough to sink a possible deal on their own.

Ending the 1970s-era ban on exports, the year's top priority for the American Petroleum Institute, is "not where we want to go," Hoyer said. "But on the other hand, if there were substantial agreements by the Republicans on some things that we thought were very important, that might be something" to consider during the budget talks.
Among the perps are some of the solar companies, who would get a small benefit for themselves from a Democratic "compromise."

curmudgeon, Friday, 11 December 2015 17:08 (eight years ago) link

Paul Ryan, Secret Muslim: http://theslot.jezebel.com/wow-paul-ryan-really-should-have-known-better-1747571663

Resting Bushface (Phil D.), Friday, 11 December 2015 19:02 (eight years ago) link

why would anyone want to work in politics

Does that make you mutter, under your breath, “Damn”? (forksclovetofu), Friday, 11 December 2015 19:15 (eight years ago) link

the sweet digs

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/12/house-republicans-bill-to-ruin-john-boehners-retirement?mbid=social_facebook

nelson_laugh.wav

j., Saturday, 12 December 2015 00:58 (eight years ago) link

still wondering how this will turn out...negotiations ongoing

Making the Earned Income Tax Credit and Child Tax Credit permanent has been a priority for Democrats in negotiations. While the Child Tax Credit is in the extenders package, Pelosi wants it to be indexed, meaning its benefits will rise with inflation -- something Republicans haven’t been responsive on.

Another sticking point is the sheer size of the tax extenders package, which could cost upwards of $700 billion over the next decade. Republicans are also pushing hard to include a measure that would lift a 40-year-old ban on crude oil exports to the tax deal.

“Lifting the ban on oil and all the money that that means for the oil industry, while they can’t index for children, it’s just, it’s too big,” Pelosi said. “It’s unfair, and it does not have the support of House Democrats.”

While the White House doesn't want Congress touching crude oil exports, it is involved in negotiations to ensure anti-environmental riders are stripped and that other priorities for Democrats are met in exchange. The administration hasn't threatened a veto of the extenders bill if oil exports are attached. Republicans in the House have enough votes to attach it to the extenders bill even without Democratic support. The president would likely sign the bill despite House Democrats' opposition.

“I made it clear, don’t count on our votes for that,” Pelosi said. “We will not be accomplices.”

Still, Pelosi indicated she wouldn't stand in the way of the tax deal as long as Republicans bring it to the floor separately from the omnibus bill, adding she didn't want to have anything to do with the tax bill.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/nancy-pelosi-tax-extenders_566b0239e4b0f290e522eecd

curmudgeon, Monday, 14 December 2015 19:19 (eight years ago) link

god this bowe bergdahl thing.

lute bro (brimstead), Tuesday, 15 December 2015 01:57 (eight years ago) link

Some army general apparently ignored the advice given him by a committee of inquiry to confine the charges against bergdahl to misdemeanors. Hard to see how this reflects well on his judgment.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Tuesday, 15 December 2015 02:21 (eight years ago) link

Koch brothers ...


The political operation created by the billionaire conservative mega-donors Charles and David Koch is quietly investing millions of dollars in programs to win over an unlikely demographic target for their brand of small-government conservatism ― poor people.

The outreach includes everything from turkey giveaways, GED training and English-language instruction for Hispanic immigrants to community holiday meals and healthy living classes for predominantly African American groups to vocational training and couponing classes for the under-employed. The strategy, according to sources familiar with it and documents reviewed by POLITICO, calls for presenting a more compassionate side of the brothers’ politics to new audiences, while fighting the perception that their groups are merely fronts for rich Republicans seeking to game the political process for personal gain.

The efforts include a healthy dose of proselytizing about free enterprise and how it can do more than government to lift people out of poverty.

“We want people to know that they can earn their own success. They don’t need the government to give it to them,” Koch network official Jennifer Stefano told activists and donors during an August rally in Columbus, Ohio, at which she introduced one such project, Bridge to Wellbeing

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/charles-david-koch-poverty-charity-216631#ixzz3uOt7lrEa

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 15 December 2015 14:41 (eight years ago) link

there was a little TPM thing about that politico article, yesterday:

The reporter also got one of the Kochs' top lieutenants to concede that one additional benefit of the plan is to help secure Koch Inc's tax status with the IRS as a nominally educational and charitable organization ...

“Sometimes, we have not been as good at explaining the virtues of economic freedom and individual liberty to people who are struggling,” said Americans for Prosperity’s president Tim Phillips. He also conceded that AFP Foundation’s Bridge to Wellbeing initiative helps satisfy an Internal Revenue Service requirement that the group focus its spending on educational or charitable purposes, not political or policy advocacy. “Part of it is we are a social welfare organization. And, so, yes, we do try to help folks live more prosperous lives. That’s not related to direct policy.”

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 15 December 2015 14:48 (eight years ago) link

May they succeed at feeding poor people, and fail at converting them into conservatives.

medley of extemporanea (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 15 December 2015 15:03 (eight years ago) link

Here's a political bombshell. Shrewd move too.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 00:58 (eight years ago) link

That's some modern day Nixon Goes to China plotting.

pplains, Wednesday, 16 December 2015 01:03 (eight years ago) link

Also don't ever change, Fla: Florida senators defend maps as ‘free of political taint’

pplains, Wednesday, 16 December 2015 01:03 (eight years ago) link

the Cuban Immigrant Work Opportunity Act of 2015

mookieproof, Wednesday, 16 December 2015 01:08 (eight years ago) link

My congressman too!

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 01:09 (eight years ago) link

At first I was like oh, he wants Cuba to be considered a peer, trade normalized, so people would no longer be refugees

But no, it's no refugees AND lock out Cubans

μpright mammal (mh), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 01:14 (eight years ago) link

what is your take on it?

μpright mammal (mh), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 01:14 (eight years ago) link

He's right. Thanks to the Cold War, Cubans have been the beneficiaries of the most generous refugee policy in the country's history. And there's an awful lot of fraud (the Sun Sentinel wrote a multi part story a few months ago you should look up). With the Cold War gone, the policy's up for revision.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 01:29 (eight years ago) link

actually, he's only looking at eliminating the no-questions-asked access to welfare. They can still apply for residency after 366 days.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 01:30 (eight years ago) link

That seems reasonable, but combining it with hardening the relationship with Cuba seems counterproductive?

μpright mammal (mh), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 02:54 (eight years ago) link

https://twitter.com/CNBCnow/status/676960982690832385

Mordy, Wednesday, 16 December 2015 03:11 (eight years ago) link

No real surprise here...

The child-tax credit, earned-income tax credit and a college-tuition credit would all get extended indefinitely at their current levels, without the indexing to inflation some Democrats had sought.

.... Republicans hailed the deal as an important step toward the overhaul of the tax code that they've been trying to work toward since they won the House majority in the 2010 election. By making many of these breaks permanent now, Republicans wouldn't need to change them if they want to keep them or could use the revenue from repealing them later to lower tax rates.

Democrats, including House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer of Maryland, warned that the bill would hurt the country's finances by adding to the budget deficit.

"Tax cuts, like everything else, have a cost," Mr. Hoyer said. "And if we fail to pay for them, we will once again increase deficits and debt, which in turn will be used as the catalyst for another round of cuts to the very programs I believe are vital to our economy and to our people

http://www.nasdaq.com/article/us-bill-would-revive-dozens-of-tax-breaks-20151216-00440#ixzz3uUfAaX1L

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 16 December 2015 14:27 (eight years ago) link

The measure, poised to pass the House and Senate as soon as this week, would break Congress' habit of extending lapsed tax breaks retroactively and then setting the next expiration date just weeks or months ahead.

But there are plenty of winners, including large manufacturers, small businesses, restaurants and labor unions, which would all get tax breaks they have been seeking for years. Lawmakers plan to combine the tax bill with a $1.15 trillion spending bill, creating a giant end-of-year fiscal deal that will create certainty for businesses and taxpayers--as long as it doesn't collapse under its own weight.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 16 December 2015 14:29 (eight years ago) link

I've read a welter of confusing material about this omnibus bill. The NYT this morning said labor unions are pissed at the delay of some of those Obamacare taxes.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 14:30 (eight years ago) link

I saw a shorthand summary that read - Dems got the spending budget bill they wanted, and Republicans got the tax bill they wanted

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 16 December 2015 16:25 (eight years ago) link

Actually seems almost reasonable, since the deficit is pretend.

pizza rolls are a food that exists (silby), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 16:50 (eight years ago) link

yeah, but in a few years everyone will suddenly get concerned about it again as old white guys in revolutionary war uniforms stand beneath traffic lights by shuttered blockbuster video stores begging the true patriots to force the government to tighten the nation's collective belt, and then somehow the only way out of it will be to implement spending cuts to try to match the tax cuts. it's the circle of life

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 16 December 2015 16:57 (eight years ago) link

Republicans apparently dropped most of their environmental riders in exchange for Dems agreeing to the oil industry/Republican request drop 40 year ban on oil exports, plus a few other little things

The deal would lift the ban, a priority for Republicans and the oil industry, and at the same time adopt environmental and renewable measures that Democrats sought. These include extending and then phasing down wind and solar-tax credits; reauthorizing for three years a conservation fund; and excluding any measures that block major Obama administration environmental regulations

http://www.nasdaq.com/article/deal-to-lift-oilexport-ban-comes-with-environmental-concessions-20151216-00548#ixzz3uVRFh1Fm

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 16 December 2015 17:34 (eight years ago) link

Republican strategy: propose lots and lots of extreme things, drop a few of them, and then say they compromised

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 16 December 2015 17:36 (eight years ago) link

any decent country wd stop this particular thing

http://fortune.com/2015/12/12/dow-dupont-corporate-research-america/

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 20:07 (eight years ago) link

please feel free to ask me questions about that particular cluster on 77

μpright mammal (mh), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 21:10 (eight years ago) link

any decent country wd stop this particular thing

http://fortune.com/2015/12/12/dow-dupont-corporate-research-america/

― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, December 16, 2015 3:07 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It's not impossible that this country will. It happens from time to time with mergers.

on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 21:12 (eight years ago) link

short version would be that there will be three companies, the stockholders who demand year-over-year profit gains in businesses that are cyclical or rely on long-term research pipelines (you don't have the best returns this year, they cut your budget on a project that could be groundbreaking but takes 5 - 10 years) will be appeased as the risk will be shunted into one of the three companies

afaik both current companies have problems that aren't R&D-related in that they have several unrelated fields under the same umbrella, and any one of the fields in their portfolio faring poorly during the year means they punish everyone

μpright mammal (mh), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 21:15 (eight years ago) link

but yeah, large corporate R&D in the chemical and material science field from publicly held companies is getting screwed in the market at large

μpright mammal (mh), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 21:16 (eight years ago) link

thx; didn't catch on in 77!

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 21:22 (eight years ago) link

I will say no more, corporate overlords, etc etc

μpright mammal (mh), Wednesday, 16 December 2015 21:25 (eight years ago) link

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/18/business/shkreli-fraud-charges.html?action=click&contentCollection=Books&module=MostPopularFB&version=Full®ion=Marginalia&src=me&pgtype=article

Martin Shkreli, a pharmaceutical entrepreneur and former hedge fund manager who has been widely criticized for drug price gouging, was arrested Thursday morning by the federal authorities.

The investigation, in which Mr. Shkreli has been charged with securities fraud, is related to his time as a hedge fund manager and running the biopharmaceutical company Retrophin — not the price-gouging controversy that has swirled around him

curmudgeon, Thursday, 17 December 2015 17:18 (eight years ago) link

@Reuters
BREAKING: San Bernardino shooters did not post support for jihad on social media: FBI

@ggreenwald
Reminder that believing whatever the government claims, laundered by the media, is bad for your intellectual health

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 17 December 2015 17:25 (eight years ago) link

yeah it wasn't social media it was just private messaging (why does anyone think this matters)

Οὖτις, Thursday, 17 December 2015 17:29 (eight years ago) link

because if it was on public social media rather than in private messages, it would be much more likely to be discovered when processing her visa paperwork

you're breaking the NAP (DJP), Thursday, 17 December 2015 17:33 (eight years ago) link

i thought the claim was that she pledged allegiance to ISIS on social media while the attack was ongoing, which would be long after her visa paperwork was approved

Mordy, Thursday, 17 December 2015 17:34 (eight years ago) link

handling assault weapons and your iPhone simultaneously is pretty adroit

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 17 December 2015 17:37 (eight years ago) link

Oh, was it? I honestly have not been closely following the details of all of this due to fatigue.

you're breaking the NAP (DJP), Thursday, 17 December 2015 17:37 (eight years ago) link

yeah I get that. I'm just generally not interested in the particulars of the backgrounds of these types of attacks, feeding into mythical "if only" scenarios. There's no real way to 100% predict and prevent these kind of attacks. There's basic things that can be done to minimize them (limiting availability of weapons, primarily) but I feel like any retroactive fingerpointing is largely pointless.

xxp

Οὖτις, Thursday, 17 December 2015 17:39 (eight years ago) link

Monday's LA Times:

"San Bernardino shooter Tashfeen Malik sent at least two private messages on Facebook to a small group of Pakistani friends in 2012 and 2014, pledging her support for Islamic jihad and saying she hoped to join the fight one day, two top federal law enforcement officials said Monday.

The new details indicate U.S. law enforcement and intelligence agencies missed warnings on social media that Malik was a potential threat before she entered the United States on a K-1 fiancee visa in July 2014."

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 17 December 2015 17:42 (eight years ago) link

we should've drone bombed her for thought crime

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 17 December 2015 18:29 (eight years ago) link

if we are going to start targeting people based on Facebook posts a whole lot of people are going to jail

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 17 December 2015 18:36 (eight years ago) link

kind of amazing we have the NSA and PRISM and vast overreach of our privacy and yet Homeland Security forgot to look at Facebook, perhaps the single largest public database of information

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 17 December 2015 18:38 (eight years ago) link

adam i feel like these two impulses of yours: targeting ppl based on fb posts is wrong and why isn't the NSA better at targeting ppl based on fb posts, are mutually exclusive complaints.

Mordy, Thursday, 17 December 2015 18:40 (eight years ago) link

raising taxes on the rich fucks would flush our security coffers with cash. if a ragtag chump group like ISIS is a threat then we need 90% on the top bracket at least to catch up

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 17 December 2015 18:50 (eight years ago) link

"San Bernardino shooter Tashfeen Malik sent at least two private messages on Facebook to a small group of Pakistani friends in 2012 and 2014, pledging her support for Islamic jihad and saying she hoped to join the fight one day, two top federal law enforcement officials said Monday.

The new details indicate U.S. law enforcement and intelligence agencies missed warnings on social media that Malik was a potential threat before she entered the United States on a K-1 fiancee visa in July 2014."

this isn't talking about facebook "posts", it's talking about private messages. so i don't understand...is there outrage that NSA didn't read their private messages??

Karl Malone, Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:00 (eight years ago) link

just trying to reconcile an all-encompassing surveillance state targeting life threatening terrorist that forgets to check the most basic thing that gets looked at if you apply for a job.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:05 (eight years ago) link

private messages?

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:05 (eight years ago) link

xxp: essentially yes, because initial reporting made it seem like these were sent as public posts rather than private messages

you're breaking the NAP (DJP), Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:05 (eight years ago) link

it's one thing to criticize them for not combing through publicly shared facebook posts, but...they were private (according to the LA times thing morbs posted. I haven't been following this closely so sorry if they were actually public facebook posts or I'm missing something blindingly obvious). and if they did read their private messages, before Malik entered on a Visa, that would also mean that they would have to read EVERYONE's private messages. so...uh, no outrage from me.

Karl Malone, Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:07 (eight years ago) link

I don't think the NSA should be allowed to read everyone's private FB messages but they should be allowed to read the private FB messages of people who are going to do terrorism, sorry that's just how I feel.

Some Pizza Grudge From Twenty Years Ago (Old Lunch), Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:09 (eight years ago) link

sir, you have my vote

wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:10 (eight years ago) link

anyone can do terrorism, it's very democratic that way

μpright mammal (mh), Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:11 (eight years ago) link

the presidential huoynhms instantly converted it to "they were announcing jihad on Facebook"

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:12 (eight years ago) link

(or however Swift spelled it)

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:12 (eight years ago) link

xpost
but the criticism is that they didn't catch her private messages sent BEFORE they granted the visa, right? so the thought process would have to be "OK, we have a visa application...let me go ahead and read her private messages to check for terrorism" unless they had another reason to believe that she could be involved in terrorism.

Why didn't they read Malik's diary entry from 2007 before giving her a Visa? She laid out her evil intentions in there, as well as which boys are supercute

Karl Malone, Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:14 (eight years ago) link

do they still ask "are u gonna do a terrorism?" on the visa form? we should double check

μpright mammal (mh), Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:15 (eight years ago) link

do you swear you're not a terrorist?
do you swear that you're not crossing your fingers behind your back as you complete this form?
AND YOUR TOES!?!??!

Karl Malone, Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:16 (eight years ago) link

yeah it wasn't social media it was just private messaging (why does anyone think this matters)

― Οὖτις, Thursday, December 17, 2015 12:29 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is going to be used as an argument for government access to encrypted communication

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:16 (eight years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/03P6ZV5.jpg

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:17 (eight years ago) link

i answered all their riddles

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:17 (eight years ago) link

and ironically i posted a screenshot of my answers on facebook

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:18 (eight years ago) link

this is going to be used as an argument for government access to encrypted communication

Obama and Clinton leading the pack

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:19 (eight years ago) link

looking forward to the gov't demanding access to plans scribbled on cocktail napkins

nomar, Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:20 (eight years ago) link

But what about the things that people just think about scribbling on cocktail napkins? There has to be a way for them to tap into those thoughts, as well, or we'll never be safe.

Some Pizza Grudge From Twenty Years Ago (Old Lunch), Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:21 (eight years ago) link

do they still ask "are u gonna do a terrorism?" on the visa form? we should double check

you joke but El-Al asks questions like that all the time

Mordy, Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:22 (eight years ago) link

that screenshot i posted is from USCIS form I-140, Immigrant Petition for Alien Worker

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:24 (eight years ago) link

doesnt el al interrogate the shit out of you at customs?

carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:32 (eight years ago) link

I mean not me bc my name is Mordechai and I wear a yarmulke but yes

Mordy, Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:33 (eight years ago) link

A Brooklyn couple discussed their El Al interrogation at a Hanukkah party I went to last weekend. "Do you go to temple? Why not?" He's a secular Jew, she's Gentile; she advised him to play it cool, she wound up losing her temper at them.

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:35 (eight years ago) link

an argument for government access to encrypted communication

lol like they don't already have this

Οὖτις, Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:37 (eight years ago) link

oh yeah, I think even the US re-entry form has something akin to "did you talk to some terrorists?"

μpright mammal (mh), Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:37 (eight years ago) link

they don't have a "back door," is their story? xp

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:38 (eight years ago) link

take it to the gay thread, champ

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:41 (eight years ago) link

there aren't any backdoors to major encryption software, the main "side door" to a lot of corporate authentication tokens was discovered (the encryption was good but the key generation was bad) and no one uses RSA tokens anymore

the majority of things people think are "encrypted" really aren't, though, or you can be legally compelled to provide access. so no, the government likely has no real way to break good encryption now, but nobody who has been a threat has actually used any encryption worth mentioning

μpright mammal (mh), Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:42 (eight years ago) link

mh u are my hero

you're breaking the NAP (DJP), Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:45 (eight years ago) link

if The Fort and The Feebs had reliable ways of cracking encryption their bosses probably wouldn't spend quite so much time bitching and whining about it in public

El Tomboto, Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:49 (eight years ago) link

Tomboto u are also my hero

you're breaking the NAP (DJP), Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:49 (eight years ago) link

they're gonna have to waterboard me to find out "w33ab00bs" is my password

μpright mammal (mh), Thursday, 17 December 2015 19:58 (eight years ago) link

our government probably already has a back window they can secretly crawl though. they just want to use a door because they're getting fat

The Once-ler, Thursday, 17 December 2015 20:02 (eight years ago) link

Discussion re Paris terrorists and encrypted messages

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/paris-terrorists-used-whatsapp-telegram-plot-attacks-according-investigators-1533880

Officials involved in the investigation of the Paris terror attacks have revealed they believe some of the terrorists used encrypted apps WhatsApp and Telegram to plot and communicate.

.....Those close to the investigation state "the apps were used in communication among the terrorists" – however exactly what was said may never be known as the encryption is impossible to crack. The terrorists also frequently swapped out sim cards in their mobile phones to avoid surveillance.

However some unencrypted data was recovered from at least one mobile phone, where the user may have slipped up and used a different form of communication. The investigation continues as officials attempt to string together further clues.

The news the terrorists used encrypted messaging apps to operate will strengthen the case for governments who are currently fighting tech companies with court orders to allow them access to data. Apple's iMessage and WhatsApp (owned by Facebook) are just two platforms that offer encryption even they cannot decipher.

curmudgeon, Friday, 18 December 2015 17:08 (eight years ago) link

the presidential huoynhms

footnote: the huoyhnhnms were the noble ones; the yahoos were the filthy, smelly, disgusting creatures.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Friday, 18 December 2015 17:14 (eight years ago) link

you know i realized my mistake about an hour later and forgot to change it; thx

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Friday, 18 December 2015 17:17 (eight years ago) link

the NYT added an editor's note to their original story on Malik's use of "social media":

Editors’ Note: December 18, 2015
The original version of this article, based on accounts from law enforcement officials, reported that Tashfeen Malik had “talked openly on social media” about her support for violent jihad.

On Wednesday, however, the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, said that online communications about jihad by Ms. Malik and her husband, Syed Rizwan Farook, involved “direct, private messages.” His remarks indicated that the comments about jihad were not made in widely accessible social media posts.

Law enforcement officials subsequently told The Times that Ms. Malik communicated with her husband in emails and private messages, and on a dating site. Ms. Malik’s comments to Mr. Farook about violent jihad were made on a messaging platform, officials said. Neither Mr. Comey nor other officials identified the specific platforms that were used. (This article and headline have been revised to reflect the new information.)

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/13/us/san-bernardino-attacks-us-visa-process-tashfeen-maliks-remarks-on-social-media-about-jihad-were-missed.html

Karl Malone, Friday, 18 December 2015 17:31 (eight years ago) link

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/business/2015/12/28/deep-south-4/

Other factors add to the difficulty of the poor finding work. Those who can’t afford to live in city centers often must depend on walking, hitching rides or laborious public transportation commutes. A 2011 Brookings Institution report ranking public transit in the nation’s 100 largest metro areas found that 15 of the weakest 20 systems — judged by coverage and job access — were in the South. They included systems in Birmingham, Ala.; Greenville, S.C.; Baton Rouge; and Atlanta — where, in earlier decades, majority-white suburbs voted against the expansion of a transit system they viewed as being primarily for black residents.

The lack of physical mobility feeds into the deeper but related problem of economic immobility: Areas throughout the South — and Atlanta in particular — provide among the lowest chances that someone born into poverty will move up the income ladder.

Over the past 20 years, Atlanta’s wealthiest areas, spread along the north of the city, have changed little. But formerly middle-class suburbs to the south — areas of modest single-family homes — have been deluged by newcomers who lost homes as city officials dismantled dozens of housing projects in the hopes of reducing concentrated poverty. Experts who have studied Atlanta’s economic geography say the change has been partly successful; class no longer changes so clearly between neighborhoods, but meanwhile, the poor — given modest vouchers to help subsidize their housing costs — must head far from the city to find places they can afford.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 15:44 (eight years ago) link

"centrist" POS Steve Israel, D-NY, not running for House reelection

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 7 January 2016 19:22 (eight years ago) link

I gotta say, Obama was at his best in yesterday's town hall:

"I'm sorry, Cooper, yes," the President laughed. "It is fair to call it a conspiracy. Are you suggesting the notion that we are creating a plot to take everybody's guns away so we can impose martial law is not a conspiracy? Yes, that is a conspiracy. I would hope that you would agree with that." President Obama then turned the question back on Cooper, asking, "Is that controversial?" "There are certainly a lot of people who just have a fundamental distrust that you do not want to go further and further and further," Cooper countered. Incredulous, Obama reminded everyone that he's only going to be in office another year. "When would I have started on this enterprise?" he asked.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 8 January 2016 16:01 (eight years ago) link

lol yes

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 8 January 2016 16:05 (eight years ago) link

nu thread for a nu year of the s.o.s.

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 January 2016 16:07 (eight years ago) link

"Debbie endures"? Say rather, The Deb Abides.

it takes the village people (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 8 January 2016 16:14 (eight years ago) link

paul lepage, everyone. wtf.

goole, Friday, 8 January 2016 16:44 (eight years ago) link

what a great wiki

4 Governor of Maine
4.1 2010 election
4.2 2014 election
4.3 Tenure
4.3.1 Overview
4.3.2 Hiring of family members
4.3.3 2011 MLK Day activities
4.3.4 "Little Beards"
4.3.5 Renaming conference rooms and removing murals
4.3.6 Criticism of state employees
4.3.7 Education reform efforts
4.3.8 "The new Gestapo" remark
4.3.9 Jobless benefits work
4.3.10 Alleged censorship and office move
4.3.11 Vaseline comment
4.3.12 Views on newspapers
4.3.13 President Obama
4.3.14 Federal government shutdown response
4.3.15 Meetings with a group alleged to be connected with the "Sovereign Citizen movement"
4.3.16 Good Will-Hinckley funding threat

goole, Friday, 8 January 2016 16:45 (eight years ago) link

can we poll those

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 8 January 2016 16:49 (eight years ago) link

4.3.11 Vaseline comment

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 8 January 2016 16:49 (eight years ago) link

Little Beards are the hot new band out of DC

on calling the IRS the 'New Gestapo':

"On July 12, while at a fundraiser for Vermont gubernatorial candidate Randy Brock, LePage was questioned about his comment. When asked by a reporter if he knew what the Gestapo did, LePage said that he knew they "killed a lot of people" and that he thought the IRS, while not there yet, was headed towards killing many people as well. LePage clarified that he did not think the IRS would intentionally kill anyone, but that he meant the IRS would eventually ration the medical care of Americans, which would result in deaths."

global tetrahedron, Friday, 8 January 2016 17:02 (eight years ago) link

so it would act like republicans?

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 8 January 2016 17:08 (eight years ago) link


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