here's a vape thread for everyone to talk about vapitos shit because nobody else cares

let natural selection decide

u even vape bro

considering how cool smoking is its sorta amazing how uncool vaping is

can someone please explain vape culture to me? I generally get why someone would vape rather than smoke cigarettes, but I definitely do not get the vape enthusiast gatherings, conventions, etc. nor do I understand how it is possible to sustain dozens of vape shops in a city as small as Austin.

yea despite a cleaner high I always feel a little let down when I vape, like something was missing. I haven't really had a chance to use a super high quality vaporizer though, maybe it'd be differ with one of those really cool looking ones like the magic flight

not gonna google 'bacon vape'

the intersection of vape culture with other weirdo subcultures like bronies is fascinating to me

i have an ecig which has def helped me stop smoking for 1.5 years. i'm trying to cut back on smoking it now. feel a lot healthier in general.

i agree that it's uncool and don't really know about 'vaping culture' that every seems to make fun of on twitter...

can someone please explain vape culture to me? I generally get why someone would vape rather than smoke cigarettes, but I definitely do not get the vape enthusiast gatherings, conventions, etc. nor do I understand how it is possible to sustain dozens of vape shops in a city as small as Austin.

― too young for seapunk (Moodles), Wednesday, June 17, 2015 9:34 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

vape = bitcoin

purity of the fedora thread restored

i did try smoking a real cigarette recently and it was p disappointing. i think the nicotine hit you get from some of the electronic versions is actually "better"

wait are we talking about vaping weed or tobacco here? fuck tobacco imo

cigs get me lifted tbh...

never vaped nicotine 🍀

***** Obviously you dudes haven't been reading the fedora thread but this is a thread for positive experiences and exchanges of information only. Yes, vape culture is, by and large pretty fucking dumb and cheezy what have you. That said, I recently started vaping and enjoy it quite a bit. This is a SAFE SPACE FOR the non-fedora wearing vapors among us so butt the fuck out with yr negativity man. Also just to clarify we're not talking about vaping THC. *****

okay bye thread, if not weed then idgaf

i recently went into the 'house of vapes' in shoreditch the other day with another friend who is trying to use them to help her quit. we were both amused by the groups of guys sitting around blowing huge clouds of smoke into the air and shooting the shit. kind of like a coffee shop in amsterdam except even lamer?

I'm serious too. If people are assholes I will have this moved to TMI adn mod the shit out of it.

Moodles - I can't explain the culture to you. Sorry. I'm totally fascinated by it though and am planning a stealth mission to a vape con to see if I can figure it out more. I will complete a full report when this happens.

In my heart I know I am going to take the plunge. I want to. It just seems so... complicated. *bookmarks thread*

x-post pretty much. They call themselves cloud chasers. *shrug*

Woof - I almost bought the cinnamon one by beard no. 5 at the weekend but went with the shop's own brand which is actually a little disappointing. I am currently waiting for this https://thesuicidebunny.net/shop/e-liquid/mothers-milk/ which has realy good reviews. Also, the old school tobacconist here carries their own line of custom blended juice by the guys that make that and I've had two from them that are really impressive.

when i vaped with an ilxor i didn't really feel a buzz but maybe it was cause the nicotine content was low?

they should make these with opium

I had a fancy vape about two years ago, but the central problem re: quitting smoking was that it reinforced the nicotine addiction and the "something in the hands/mouth" habit which made it so much easier to start smoking regular cigarettes after the second beer or so.

Saw a guy at the bar whose vaporizer looked like Sherlock Holmes's pipe, couldn't decide how I felt about that.

don't let the enthusiasts/hobbyists put you off. don't bother with the disposable ones. just buy one with a reasonable battery that you can refill. there is a part (the atomizer) that you have to change every once in a while. the most complicated thing is probably the shame of smoking it in public, honestly.

i got over it by reminding myself that it's better than dying. and by being as discrete as i can i suppose.

Xps

ha i visited house of vapes a few weeks ago - found the steampunk faux-sophistication (dark wood/leather/brass) finely balanced between tacky and crepey.

limited observations from my second hand exposure to this, pun intended

fedora dudes might get vapey but vape dudes don't seem to lean especially fedora.
in fact, in terms of intersections, i've been interested/surprised by the sort of gearhead-y element of the culture: the emphasis on what equipment you use, and the equipment modding subculture.
the real overlap with fedors dudes and other oddballs is the v much embarrassing phenomenon of these ppl wanting to totally make this thing their identity

my friend got this one i think:

http://www.joyetech.com/product/510CC.php

it's only a little larger than a normal cigarette and i think when she smokes it she almost pulls off looking cool? she is kind of a naturally cool person tho

the first time i went in that shoreditch vape shop (i think it had a different name then?) it was completely empty. the guy who worked there was sat at the counter twisting some special coil for his steampunk custom device. it was pretty intimidating and i left feeling it was all way too complicated and gearhead-y. recent visit was better though - they were quite helpful.

x-post - It's not really. I just started about 3 weeks ago? I'd been smoking an e-cig with disposable cartridges for a year and a half but realized how much money I was wasting. This is significantly cheaper. In those three weeks I've fallen down the internet rabbit hole and picked up a lot of stuff and it seems a lot less intimidating than it did at first.

Another thing I've been thinking of is that aside from the gross #vapegirls/models thing - it seems to be largely male dominated and that makes me want to infiltrate even more but not in a "sponsor me and I'll stick this pen between my boobs kind of way".

(I am embarrassed by all the typos in my warning up there but I am at work and trying to multitask)

So, what the hell is dripping? n.b. I'm perfectly happy with my simple set-up but, as I said earlier, the whole thing is totally fascinating and weird to me.

i love this stuff but hate the word 'vape'. isn't really another term i guess, though i say 'smoking ecigs' which is verboten because the militant guys want to distance it from smoking as much as possible due to all the legal shit going on.

btw anyone doing it for coolness, or not doing it for coolness is missing the point in a big sad way.

okay bye thread, if not weed then idgaf

― marcos,

otm. see ya

There's too much of this shit.

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQWgefxvnLiNw6K9yAYCc45C7bLdrcuTBSWPN0eE9cYyYPWLgDbIQ

i could prob advise on most stuff to do with this if ya want. got a good % of my smoker mates into it, and subsequently quitting real cigs.

top tip: make your own fluids, v easy & works out about 5% of the cost of buying it readymade.

mother's milk is good, thick strawberry cream stuff, though might not work in your set-up as it's a thick gloopy fluid.

there's always gona be cringey crap about any new thing, just gotta ignore it.

Let's all come together and start a very subtle, well-designed, and good e-liquid company. Maybe this is out million dollar idea!

one of my friends is into this and the way he is constantly sucking on that thing like a baby pacifier is a bit disturbing.

x-post - I have a kanger pro-tank II. It might not work in there? The other ones I have from that company do. Hmmmm. That would suck.

Sorry. I'm totally fascinated by it though and am planning a stealth mission to a vape con to see if I can figure it out more.

fully support this endeavour. and while we're at it can we resurrect ilx grand scheme of infiltrating awesomeness-fest

i dunno, i see this whole 'look at how ODD it looks' is just the shock of the new. remember a whole lot of pisstaking of people using mobile phones when they first became affordable round the mid 90s. seems like that. what i love most is when grandads get into it, totally ditching all the 'is it ok, does it look daft, what will people think' junk around it, just doing it because it's a great mostly harmless vice, love that mindset. more ecig grandads pls

xpost, ah yeah that tank should work. that whole high-end stuff (suicide bunny, cosmic fog, etc) works best in a sub-ohm tank but that's a whole next level of nerdery that i dunno if we should go into on here. my favourite of the SB liquids is madrina, the melon one. spent months trying to recreate it, almost almost there i think (got MM sorted though)

i support this call for vaping grandads and now need to start a bad called exactly that

ugh "band"

x-post - yeah see that's where I get confused. can you explain in simple terms what a sub-ohm tank is? Also, dripping? I have no desire to get any nerdier or more into this stuff but I do want to know about it.

I've found that vista vapors seems to be a really high quality place for lower priced liquids. I'm waiting for a couple from there right now. They also let you boost the flavor or make your own blends and they're very reasonably priced.

ENBB - Mother's Milk was one of the first I tried that wasn't generic cherry or licquorice or w/e. I def liked it - not wild on it, but it was good. I might order it again sometime, now I am an experienced vaper-of-the-world. Not wild on the tattooed babe cupping her breasts on the bottle.

but I'm moving away a bit from US liquids, just bcz it's cheaper to get British ones here.

Maybe I'll start mixing my own? Feel no pressing need right now

I do not understand that word of sub-ohm dripping and that.

ok in simple terms a sub ohm tank is a tank where the heating element gets really hot really quickly but without actually burning the cotton. it means your fluid is turned into vapour v fast so you get a big rush of smoke. the flavour is a lot more intense with these (and you get the whole silly 'cloud chasing' shit). it's not really a relaxing toke, but there's something really satisfying about it, esp with these expensive fluids.

few things to know:
- you need to lower the nicotine in the fluids you use for this. im down to 3mg for all my stuff now, anything above 6mg will prob make you feel queasy due to the amount of nicotine in each toke.
- you need a battery strong enough to use them. you want one that goes up to 30w really. you can go higher but don't bother at this stage.

i'd give it a go, some people really love it and it's interesting at least.

basic set-up: get the kanger subtank mini (about £25 i think), and an istick 30w (again about £25) and fluid that's high vg (anything above 70 vg to 30 pg is good to go)

Yeah NI bring the nerdery I am interested

(xp thank you!)

don't bother about dripping, again in basic terms the sensation is mostly the same as using a sub-ohm but with a lot more messing about. if you're really into trying different flavours in quick succession without having to replace your coil or finish a full tank of fluid then it's worth looking into but i wouldn't bother.

ps. with the subtank mini you want your coils to be 0.5ohm

yeah so much of the aesthetic around ecig stuff is crass and bleugh. the biggest uk site, totally wicked, has this shitty little devil logo, like some 90s skater dude crap. plus all the suicide bunny cartoon porn crap. i do think this stuff will level out though

totally baffled by this stuff tbh. so it's basically tobacco companies co-opting tech developed by stoners as a way to stay ahead of plunging customer-base/legal problems?

hate to big up the enemy but reddit forums are really good for learning about all this. they're surprisingly fedora-free, mostly hobbyists spreading the knowledge

wasn't developed by stoners as far as i know, and the majority of the (decent) kit/fluid companies are independent businesses

I'm telling you guys. This might be our big break! ;) That's one of the things that fascinates me. I want to figure out how it went down that route. The porny part is mystifying too and I don't really get all the cloud pics I see on IG. It's not sexy, it's just weird? I guess people will turn anything into a fetish though so I shouldn't be all that surprised at all.

I was, however, quite surprised that I couldn't find any evidence of Faygo flavored ejuice.

Yeah, most of the fluid companies and hardcore vapers seem to be very anti big tobacco.

Yeah I looked at reddit (I feel really deep down the rabbit hole) but they were all ohms this and coils that and wicks and builds and my eyes just kind of glazed over.

wasn't developed by stoners as far as i know

first time I saw a vaporizer was at least 15 years ago and it was a black box for smoking weed

so my confusion about this thread similar to marcos' basically

yeah it's a shame that the public image of this stuff is all fat guys in porn t shirts blowing big mounds of smoke. determined not to let normal people be put off by all that

I vaped weed before I vaped nicotine and I think that it's been a widely used stoner thing but I don't think it works by the same mechanism at all. I could be wrong there though. I just had a friend who had a week vaporizer and used it a couple times. I have no idea how it worked.

first time I saw a vaporizer was at least 15 years ago and it was a black box for smoking weed

ha, i had one of those in the 90s. this is different though, involves heating cotton soaked in fluid containing nicotine & flavouring where as my one was just obliterating weed in a vacuum, like a full-on microwave. similar in the way it involves heat but a different mechanism. the exact process that took off was developed in china about 10 or so years ago, but there have been various similar ideas floating around for decades, none of them based around cannabis really.

this is worth a read, about the guy who invented the modern successful version:

Hon’s own moment of revelation came when he woke up one morning after a night full of bad dreams and realised he had been wearing his nicotine patch while he was sleeping. He came to think that the only satisfactory way to deliver nicotine alone in a relaxing fashion which might enable one to give up conventional cigarettes was through some form of smoking.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jun/09/hon-lik-e-cigarette-inventor-quit-smoking-dual-user

huh weird

there's another ecig thread on here, but it went down a (not-uninteresting) rabbit-hole of the rights and wrongs of addiction. worth a read though

Yeah I looked at reddit (I feel really deep down the rabbit hole) but they were all ohms this and coils that and wicks and builds and my eyes just kind of glazed over.

yeah, the learning curve for all that ohm, wick, coil stuff is v steep. took me a good while to get my head around it. im in the early stages of setting up a grandad style ecig guide site to counter all that, crazy how most stuff out there is either super advanced tech stuff, or dumb misinformation based around those disgusting disposable things. the middle ground shouldn't be as hard to get into as it currently is

Woof - I'm pretty much exactly where you're at with all this in terms of interest etc. though I'm sure you know more. Looking forward to getting the MM. I have a couple of the cheaper ones and expecting a peach/mango and cinnamon one from vista this week. They make them all up once you order and your name is printed on them which is kind of neat.

im going to be an asshole idgaf fuck this clown shit

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http://ecigarettereviewed.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/steampunk-mod.jpg
http://fogfluideliquid.com/images/product/ballsout_0.png
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the existence of 'gothic vash' depresses the shit out of me. more classic shots here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2324697/Meet-vapers-E-cigarette-craze-inspires-bizarre-new-sub-culture.html

although that article was the point where i thought, what is this thing? so three cheers for gothic vash and the daily mail, i guess

Trendy: The latest craze at a recent convention of vapers was the MoFaux, a plastic mustache attached to the tip of custom vaporizers

heh

Certain kind of person: Joe Petner, a New Jersey native, runs a website that caters to e-cigarette smokers, in addition to his main business of running several porn sites

What's the difference between an ecigarette and a vaporizer and do users of the latter look down on the former?

I feel like the answer to "Why is the marketing for this product so terrible" is found somewhere in head shops, High Times, and on-line poker websites.

What's the difference between an ecigarette and a vaporizer and do users of the latter look down on the former?

some people call the disposable ones that look like cigarettes 'ecigs' and the ones with separate parts (battery, tank, coil) 'vaporisers'. i call them all ecigs, dunno why, guess i hate the whole sci-fi bro from the future vibe around the word 'vaporiser'. the disposable ones are crap, taste like dust, just awful and have put tons of people off trying the better ones. from what i can tell, big tobacco are more involved in those ones. the tank/battery ones are the proper thing, taste great, can change strength, etc. although the dirt cheap versions of those are pretty bad too.

yeah i call it all ecigs. as do most ppl i know in the uk. i understand the political reasons people don't want to call it that.

i tried the disposable ones first around 3 years ago and it was terrible and i went back to smoking for ages. january last year i decided to give it another go and went to the stoner shop here in zurich. the shops is full of bongs etc but they seem now to do most of their business selling ecigs. they were v helpful and recommended a tank/battery device. but annoyingly you can't actually buy the nicotine liquid here. i either order it from croatia or buy it when i'm back in the uk.

enbb, I think we're almost exactly at the same stage, and I have been down the same rabbit holes, with the same repulsion/fascination with the aesthetics & community - I was tempted to go to the VAPE JAM UK expo to walk among the booths full of idealists/wide boys.

BTW for some madness of the scene in case you missed it, a vaping political party stood a couple of candidates in the UK general election - vapersinpower.co.uk (thank you Noodle Vague for finding that)

NI thank you for all that - so otm that the middle ground explanations are missing, like this:

in simple terms a sub ohm tank is a tank where the heating element gets really hot really quickly but without actually burning the cotton. it means your fluid is turned into vapour v fast so you get a big rush of smoke. the flavour is a lot more intense with these

Is the simple explanation that I'd wanted - forums, no matter how friendly (and they do seem to be), didn't really seem to manage it. I like tinkering with things - makes me more inclined to try.

http://i.imgur.com/qZEGs6U.png

the only thing that comes to mind when i see people with vape pens letting off these massive clouds of smoke is the candy/gum cigarettes i used to buy at the local five and dime that came loosely wrapped in a paper and swaddled in powdered sugar so that you could put them in your little kiddie mouth, exhale and let loose with a satisfying burst of cirrus saccharine

apparently vape juice/giant clouds leave a film on everything too. fucking gross. ppl on the vape reddit complaining about how they have to scrape their car windows regularly smh.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/05/15/article-2324697-19C7517C000005DC-788_634x848.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/05/15/article-2324697-19C75188000005DC-603_634x366.jpg

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lol

lol'd so hard

When I see people smoking them on the street I always assume there's weed in the tincture. Otherwise what's the point?

these shitstains should be summarily executed

Guys with hilarious vaping pictures, you should maybe go to the fedora thread, where we all laugh at that shit. Guys who just want to hate on it, there's another ecig thread. This one was made for those of us who actually do it to share stuff. Admittedly there's little to stop you from sharing your views here, but just to give you a heads-up that there are other places for you to lol.

Where is the fedora thread? I will go there. I am interested in ohm science but also in hilarity.

it's on 77 tbf

emil.y otm stop being dicks

ok that was harsh but I'm tired and cranky but, yeah, we all totally acknowledge the hilarity and anyone can post whatever but maybe not so many pictures in this one (even tho mick signals was amazing)? idk maybe that's silly.

Anyway the mother's milk is nice but i'm a little disappointed! Maybe it's because, as NI said, it's for people with more complex devices? For high-end liquid it's not really amazing or anything.

is vaping a distraction

apparently vape juice/giant clouds leave a film on everything too. fucking gross. ppl on the vape reddit complaining about how they have to scrape their car windows regularly.

kinda true. never noticed it in my home but it's an issue in the car, a high vg/sub ohm tank definitely steams up the window inside. wouldn't call it oil, as it's nothing like the residue on the cooker hood after frying bacon but it does cloud up the glass.

Is it the nicotine or is it something else in the vapor?

Anyway the mother's milk is nice but i'm a little disappointed! Maybe it's because, as NI said, it's for people with more complex devices? For high-end liquid it's not really amazing or anything.

i thought this when i first tried it too. just a basic cream taste, with a bit of strawberry but i dunno, i kept going back to it and after a week or so i was really into it, recognising different subtle flavours all the time, really liking the thick creamy sensation. it's not something i'd walk around chonging on all day, but as a late-night smoke it was great, like a dessert thing. can you tell me what battery you use, enbb? and if you know the strength of your atomiser/coil, just to get the gist of your set up.

if anyone has any questions about any of this, from the mega basic to the kinda advanced, give me a shot. would be useful for building a list of articles.

Is it the nicotine or is it something else in the vapor?

it's the VG in the fluid. vg is vegetable glycerol, a thick oil that gives off a lot of vapour, and that's the stuff that clings to glass. the other fluid used is PG, propylene glycol, a much thinner sharper fluid and that stuff doesn't leave much if any residue. if the residue thing bugs you just switch to a high PG fluid.

what does the VG do to yr lungs?

can you tell me what battery you use, enbb? and if you know the strength of your atomiser/coil, just to get the gist of your set up.

Uhhhh. This is all very technical! I have an ego-c and a EGO-II 2200mAh Battery. I have no idea about the coil. I've just been using the kind that comes with the kanger protank.

all the tests so far have shown them to be safe, no impact. it's the same stuff used in smoke machines in clubs. the consensus is that VG gives off a thicker smoother blast of vapour, so it's more gentle on the throat. PG gives more of a sharp kick, so it feels more like smoking, and getting a nicotine hit. most people new to this stuff like the high PG because it feels like something is happening, like a toke on a cigarette. some people get irritated by the PG though, annoys the lining of the throat, so they prefer VG.

all the high-end fluids are high VG, as you can't really use high PG fluids in sub ohm tanks or at high temperatures - it hurts the throat at those temperatures.

Uhhhh. This is all very technical! I have an ego-c and a EGO-II 2200mAh Battery. I have no idea about the coil. I've just been using the kind that comes with the kanger protank.

no worries, if you manage to find out let me know and i can recommend some tweaks. the strength of the coil is the key thing, have a look when you next unscrew it from the tank to replace it, it should say on the side. don't worry about this though but maybe hold onto half of your bottle of mother's milk til you get a set-up more suited to the high vg high-end fluids.

OK, thank you but I'm cool where I am at the moment. Those complex things scare me! I like my discreet little setup. :) This morning I mixed some of the mother's milk with a 50/50 pg/vg liquid I have that is berry flavored to go w/ the strawberry in MM and I think it thinned it out a little and made it more suited to whatever strengths my coil is? Is that possible?

(also, you are very helpful!)

xxposts - PG is used in asthma inhalers and nebulizers and has never shown any negative effects.

This morning I mixed some of the mother's milk with a 50/50 pg/vg liquid I have that is berry flavored to go w/ the strawberry in MM and I think it thinned it out a little and made it more suited to whatever strengths my coil is? Is that possible?

yeah makes a lot of sense. i tried high VG fluids on my early set-ups and didn't get much from them - hints of flavour but felt v weak, and yeah, it's because the coil isn't strong enough to cut through the high vg. adding PG will help a bit but you're losing a bit of the quality by doing that.

im gonna guess you're on 1.8ohm coils, which is what i use 80% of the time, during the day etc. with that in mind, i'd recommend the pink spot fluids. they're made in vegas so should be cheaper and easier to find over there, rather than here in the UK. some great flavours in their range. gummi bear, fire & ice (cinnamon & menthol), watermelon wave, raspberry lemonade. really strong flavours, more intense than anything else i've tried. they're the ones i offer to smokers to plant the seed of 'something better is out there'

i sound a bit salesy there but man, i properly love those flavours. such a step up from all the basic blueberry, menthol, tobacco etc ones from yr avg shop.

The vegetable glycol thing partially answers one of my questions!

My serious questions for vape aficionados:
1. Are all the vape fluids mostly glycol? Does anyone debate the efficacy/health concerns of different types of glycol? Propylene glycol is one I'm familiar with (you can use that stuff for... anything!) but I know people complain about it when it's a food/consumable additive although I know it's not really known to be bad for you. It kind of entertains me to think people are pulling drags off of little handheld fog machines
2. Is vaping fluid pretty much the whole deal? Looseleaf tobacco vaporizers exist but I am unsure if that's in the same cultural segment, a different group entirely, or if people ignore those because they're really for w33d.

iirc club smoke machines actually have warnings saying not to be around them all the time, although musicians who use them heavily in their acts obviously ignore this. I think it's mostly caution due to unknowns.

Are there e-cig flavors that replicate pipe smoke aroma?

1. Are all the vape fluids mostly glycol? Does anyone debate the efficacy/health concerns of different types of glycol? Propylene glycol is one I'm familiar with (you can use that stuff for... anything!) but I know people complain about it when it's a food/consumable additive although I know it's not really known to be bad for you. It kind of entertains me to think people are pulling drags off of little handheld fog machines

Ecig fluid is made up of four things: vegetable glycerol, propylene glycol, nicotine and flavouring. the only health concern i've come across so far is that a small % of people can find the PG irritating to their throat, it's not that common though. i didn't know there were many complaints about it as a foodstuff, what are these? little handheld fog machines is a perfect way of putting it haha, though the ingredients used in ecig fluid is a lot better quality and cleaner than smoke machine stuff

2. Is vaping fluid pretty much the whole deal? Looseleaf tobacco vaporizers exist but I am unsure if that's in the same cultural segment, a different group entirely, or if people ignore those because they're really for w33d.

yeah the ones we're talking about here, and 99.9% ones in the world are based around juice. i've heard about people modifying them to put weed in them, but that's mostly THC fluid, not aware of any that actively burn up a chunk of weed. in any case, the result is different, that'd be actual 'smoke' coming from burnt matter, whereas ecig stuff is the vapour from fluid. real smoke is more damaging to the lungs.

xp: There's a panoply of different tobacco flavours for these things. there's probably something that attempts to simulate pipe tobacco -- i've seen a couple different fake-cigar, a zillion different fake-cigarettes... pipe/loose-leaf is probably less "off" than the fake cig flavours, because it's a bit sweeter? i have found any tobacco-inspired flavour has a weird sweetness to it.

(did i use panoply right?)

Are there e-cig flavors that replicate pipe smoke aroma?

yeah loads, based around tobacco and all that. they're not for me though, never have been. the ones i tried were awful, you'll never be able to accurately recreate a pipe of cigarette because it's vapour, not actual smoke from burning, a fundamental difference in sensation. there are a bunch of high-end tobacco flavoured e-juice that people rate highly but i've never tried them - RY4 and swagger by pink spot are names i've heard a lot. i'm not sure about a specific 'pipe' flavour but i bet there is.

I don't think there are any actual health risks linked to propylene glycol, but "natural health" types are very into referring to it as "that antifreeze liquid" and complaining about its use in flavored coffee and anywhere else it appears. If you look into recent articles about Fireball Cinnamon Whisky being denied entry into some country or another it's linked to glycol being used as an additive.

that's interesting http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/news/fireball-cinnamon-whiskey-pulled-from-shelves-over-antifreeze-ingredient-propylene-glycol-9825134.html but this is the key line: "“most people consume propylene glycol every day in soft drinks, sweeteners, some foods and alcoholic beverages”."

if you're the kind of person who gets uptight about sweetener and paracetamol and the govt planting thoughts in your head using radio waves, then yeah, avoid it. for normal people, don't fret. i'm pretty sensitive to caffeine and drugs in general, but other than feeling queasy when i was smoking fluid with high nicotine, i've never noticed anything about using this stuff. one thing to point out is that in the first few weeks of using this you might get a few mouth ulcers and colds. this is due to your body getting rid of all the chemicals from cigarettes, it doesn't happen to everyone and isn't so bad, but as far as dangers to health go, that's all i've had. though there'll be a tiny % of people out there who are allergic to certain flavourings, or the PG, VG or nicotine, same as with anything.

Yeah the EWG, sunscreen is poison, yoga mat chemicals in Subway bread contingent are very worried about PG.

(full confession - I have succumbed to these concerns for various reasons in the past but I try to be a little more skeptical/science minded these days.)

i think the suggestion is that it's not been tested as a vaporized inhalant by the FDA but i'm not totally sure
i know ecig companies are blocking tests and FDA approval as no news is good news

stop shaming me for shaming vape culture and not having access to 77. also ni you are talking out yr ass re: weed vapes. thanks god the bay area at large has rejected vape culture but not vapin' weed. you can vape flowers, wax/shatter or hash oil.

haha who's this guy ^

show yr workings cory vash

http://www.vice.com/read/the-vapers-of-e3-617

this is due to your body getting rid of all the chemicals from cigarettes

citation needed

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15370162

yeah nothing in there implies it has anything to do with your body getting rid of chemicals!

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ok let's replace that line above with "mouth ulcers are a common result of stopping smoking"

I could say it's due to your mouth bacteria regaining their potency, as they were being killed off by smoke, and your gums must get used to them again. This has no evidence, but it has as much evidence as "your body getting rid of the chemicals" if you link it with that study.

xp exactly!

my fault, should have said 'withdrawal symptons'

*slowly steps away from thread*

(cessation-related symptoms iirc)

classic ilx

i have found any tobacco-inspired flavour has a weird sweetness to it.

yeah this is my struggle. hard to find any liquid that isn't sweet, other than from my croatian plug

i actually picked up a couple of flavours that mask the sweetness p decently. one is "earl grey" and one is "good morning" - coffee/tobacco combo. the earl grey is almost too bitter, but it makes a great fallback when everything kinda jsut starts tasting like bad cotton candy

http://www.billboard.com/files/styles/flasbox_image/public/media/eddie-van-halen-bb19-2015-billboard-01-990.jpg?itok=Ti1MTgHI

they should make these with laughing gas

cory otm

not aware of any that actively burn up a chunk of weed. in any case, the result is different, that'd be actual 'smoke' coming from burnt matter

this is simply incorrect, weed vapes don't burn weed they... wait for it.... vape it. crazy i know

yeah, I missed that in the response, good point

vape for it, vape for it...

NI HALP

I'm extremely frustrated with the kangertech coils!

So last Friday I bought two boxes of coils and went to put on in on Saturday but it tasted disgusting and wouldn't really work and I couldn't figure out why. I noticed that they were 1.8 while I'd previously been using 2.2 but didn't think much of it. The place I got them from was closed so I went somewhere else and the guy there said it sounded like I was sold counterfeit coils and he sold me a new box of 2.5s.

While doing some reading I learned that the 1.8s probably weren't fake but that a 1.8 with a 3.7v battery can cause a burnt taste. So, I put a 2.5 in on Saturday and it worked great until last night which means I basically got 2.5 days out of it and I don't even use it that much! Does that sound right to you? I then tried to take the whole thing apart and wash and dry burn a coil but didn't do it right and then got frustrated so I just popped a new one in and it's ok. Anyway I guess my questions are as follows:

1) Could a 1.8 ohm coil on a 3.7 v battery taste awful? Are 2.5s better?

2) Why the heck am I going through coils so quickly????

btw I got some space jam pluto and it's amazing. my favorite yet. My plan is to use up all the juices I have now and then try that pink spot place even if it sounds porny and creeps me out a little.

antidotal evidence suggests that vaping is the topic when tweeted about that is most likely to attract bots followers

had no idea this kind of controversy surrounded this habit (in which I don't partake). I work in downtown SF, fucking everybody vapes. it is impossible to tell who is a douche in downtown SF now; I think maybe everyone is? dunno.

Vape is the new bluetooth headset.

has anyone seen a dual-vaper yet? like you are trying to compare two liquids and you have two vapes or idk

has to be an equivalent to dual headset

what about headset vape

(not a headset+vape combo, but a vape that gets worn on your head)

need pictures to decide

Xpost That would be kind of cool! Sort of like this, with headphones attached:

http://i.imgur.com/o1hmajZl.jpg

maybe you could have some sort of helmet vape/bong thing like this guy had
http://alienage11.com/images/stories/fifield.jpg

xxxp one of my friends carries 3 pens with him because apparently he gets sick of the taste. tbf he was a very heavy smoker so I expect he vapes quite a lot

Yeah a mate of mine is all "ive given up smoking, this is amazing!" but he honestly has the vape pen shoved in his mouth 94/7, he says he even smokes in bed now.

ie I think hes at it way more now than he ever was smoking.

sort of fascinated how "vape shop" seems to have become the default american strip mall store. like some weird convergence of the suburban storefront real estate market and lifestyle trends seem to have made them more common than like dry cleaners or liquor stores.

but not nail salons

https://vine.co/v/emzm691rEQP

ENBB, that's a weird one. what set-up do you have? (tank & battery)

and when you say a 3.7v battery, do you mean you have the power set to 3.7v? if so, that should work fine. trying not to sound techy here, but 3.7v with a 1.8ohm coil equates to 7.6w and that's all good. 15w is the highest you should go with a 1.8ohm coil, it'll burn the cotton higher than that. (it's best to ignore volts and only look at wattage. your battery should show you the wattage on it, stick with that)

as for the coils, they should definitely last longer than 2.5 days. i toke mine constantly (oh the humanity) and get over a week from each. i have had some that screw up quicker than others, maybe you got a really bad batch? how long has the current coil lasted you?

as for the cannabis vaporiser stuff, hands up, i wasn't informed enough to comment. i was thinking of the type i had in the 90s and they're prob different now, dunno. was going to look into it but realised i couldn't give less of a fuck. for all the lolvape photos on this thread, weed culture is ten times worse. maybe start a new thread for the renegade outlaw weedvape bros?

weed has a psychotropic effect unrelated to addiction whereas vaping is literally about giving your nicotinic brain receptors a better bath.

Hey NI - I have three batteries but none of them are variable voltage or show the watts. They're just standard 3.7v. Does that make sense?

I'm frustrated because I think that my coil is bad again. This one has, I think, been in there since last Wednesday but it's still annoying. I got like 2 weeks out of the first one that it came with and have been told that's about standard but the longest any have lasted is a week. I don't even use it all that much. Maybe my tank is bad? Hmpf.

vaping

x-post - This is all too techy and I'm not into it enough to care and want to build my own coils. Bah.

2 weeks is standard? how much liquid do you go through?

they told me that one coil should last about 30mg worth of fluid which for me is like... well more than a couple weeks anyway. i think i am on my third coil and i got mine months ago.

Prob about 2ml a day? They said one coil should last 30 ml? :(

I don't think the one now is burnt out but it's spitting and flooding. What can cause that?

the first thing you need to do is ditch this battery. it sounds like one i had when i first got into all this and it's good as a tester, to work out if you're into all this, but man, blow £25-30 on a a proper battery and end all this heartache and pain.

best one to get: istick 30w. you want to be at 15w or below with a tank using a 1.8ohm coil, but it also means you can give sub ohm a go at some point as it can go up to 30w. if you want to save a few quid get the istick 20w but i'd say it's better to get the other one.

i didn't even know you could buy non variable wattage/voltage batteries any more, really can't imagine the modern range of tanks and coils are suited for those fixed strength batteries. (if you can give me the brand name and model though i'd like to read up on them more)

http://www.ego-two.com/ego-ii-2200mah.html

is one of them?

istick 30w is exactly what i have and it's fantastic. i keep it around 10-11w, up to 13-14w if i'm feeling sassy and/or drunk, down to like 8 when starting a new coil or w/e

also wow i fucked up mg and ml, and i am canadian too :/ its an embarrassing day to be me

it also seems to me like the coils last longer if (a) you use a less crazy juice (something clear seems good) and (b) you properly start the coil (let it soak for a while, and then start using it at the lowest voltage possible) and (c) you don't go too high with the v's in general

ah the one you recommended is one of those big box things! I already feel ridiculous and clunky as is!

it's not as big as it looks. i used to have that starter pack everyone has, when that thing bit the dust i got the istick + a nautilus mini. it's actually /shorter/ than the starter kit, the battery can be completely concealed in my hand, and the tank part is pretty low-profile... i should take a picture at lunch or something it explain this better

That would be awesome if you could. Though I just found this snazzy young man in his delightful choker and i think I'm getting the idea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0KHwVNGx4w

omg he's wearing the smaller starter one around his neck on a cord

These can really be kinda discreet cause I'm so frustrated I'm actually considering it.

will's bang on here, especially about the coils - make sure you let them soak in the fluid for a while before using. don't avoid dark/thick fluids though, they're some of the best ones! istick and mini nautlius is what i recommend to everyone, it's pretty much the best you can get and at a decent price.

but yeah the aesthetic of the decent ecig batteries is pretty shit, that's just how it is at the moment. don't put up with a crappy model though just for that reason. they need to be big to have a decent (actual +/-) battery inside.

i've only ever had one battery that looked in any way good, I'll take a photo and upload later.

i do occasionally use these things in public and not having something ostentatious/even visible is important to me so i had my doubts about this istick but it is really not big at all. looks like this.

http://i.imgur.com/OHadcoy.jpg

It just seems so . . . vapey.

I know you're right tho and I'm so annoyed at this point that I might as well just do it. Shit I should probably just suck it up be out and proud and get the pink one so that I can bedazzle it and get some fancy ass coordinated drip tip to go with it.

I use a mvp2 + iclear 30 at home, but at work/when I'm out have a little stick one - kanger evod + aerotank mini. It feels less vapey & more portable. Felt like total clown with box mod and big tank, but it is much nicer.

I don't really understand voltage and wattage. Are they independent (I always think that one should affect the other - how come can I adjust them separately? nb I am useless at physics and electrics) and what effects do they have? My baseline is roughly voltage at double-the-coil-resistance but I play around a bit arbitrarily. Sometimes there's more kick when it's higher, but then I feel like something's about to burn.

I change my coil about every two weeks fwiw

I feel like I must be doing something wrong that my coils keep getting so fucked but I really don't think I am. I promise I'm not a moron. :/

woof, voltage and wattage are related, but it all depends on the resistance (the ohms) of the coil. it's hard to explain without getting techy and boring, but i always ignore voltage and focus solely on wattage. 1.8ohm coil, 15w and below. 1ohm coil 20w (ish) and below, 0.5 ohm coil 30w and below, 0.3 ohm coil skys the limit, well, 100w approx.

enbb, it is puzzling what's going wrong with your coils. it's not worth focusing on it though, just buy a new battery and the mini nautilus if you can and all your problems will disappear. as for feeling too embarrassed to walk round with one, i used to be like that but really just comes down to thinking: fuck it

you're not gona get egged, worst is you'll get a cpl of snotty comments on the internet from sad dudes on the internet

Thanks NI. So if my MVP2 maxes at about 11w then I can safely just stick it at the top end for a 2.1ohm coil? tbh I've saved so much with this already I might take your advice and switch again to istick/mini nautilus

In juice news, Digby's Dr Jekyll is the first that I've been repeat buying - nice on its own, & often mixes nicely when I have something else left over.

yeah 2.1 ohm at 11w is fine, i use my higher coils around that strength too. it's always worth pushing up one watt at a time and seeing where it tastes best, just before you get a hint of burning. have you tried sub ohm tanks at all yet? certain fluids taste so great at 30w.

next big item on your list should be trying out mixing your own fluids. super easy and will save you a fortune in the long run - it'll cost you about 1/10th of what you're paying now. if they do't sell the concentrate on its own a quick google usually comes up with the clone recipe:

Dr.Jekyll - Digby's
Absinthe (DV) 6%
French Vanilla (TPA) .3%
Peppermint (TPA) .8%
Sweetener (Sucralose) (TPA) 2 .3%

this should help when it comes to working out what wattage to use with different strength coils:

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/20/uquhu2aq.jpg

says there that around 10w is the max for a 2.1ohm coil. i've gone to 11w on mine, but stick to 10w to be safe.

shit, i have been running mine way too hot according to that chart

well not "way" too hot but 1-2 blocks into the bright red

I wouldn't worry, it's all about how it tastes to you. I go beyond those limits most the time and it tastes great. I think they're being cautious

just tried it way down and it does taste more like the thing it says on the bottle, so that's good i guess?

idk if i could ever get into the sub-ohm/juicemaking/cotton buying/etc game tho. at this point it's just low enough maintenance that i don't say "fuck it" and smoke instead. even then i cheat sometimes because the battery's dead or something.

weed has a psychotropic effect unrelated to addiction

not for everyone? for heavy long-term users, the psychotropic effect tells your body that it doesn't need to produce neurotransmitters like dopamine and serotonin. for users who quit after years of heavy use, it can take awhile (6 months - 2 years) for your brain to start producing these chemicals naturally, in which case you feel depressed/anxious/irritable. sorry if i sound like some reddit bunghole, this is just standard boilerplate substance abuse/addiction stuff.

for sure, "withdrawal" generally used as shorthand for the symptoms of physical addiction when it comes to dependencies or addictions, it's not just "I withdrew the substance". didn't feel like going into that upthread

NI - great work on this thread in the face of, as you put it "snotty comments from sad dudes on the internet". You've really helped de-bunk a lot of stuff for me. I currently use liberty flights cartos with an e-go battery and their golden virginia liquid but quality is a bit hit and miss.

So to reiterate from upthread, your starter kit is istick 30, mini nautilus and what liquid?

Thanks!

yes, the istick 30w (£30) and the mini nautilus (£20) will last you a long long time. perfect for a beginner but the option of 30w means you can test out sub ohm tanks and see if they're for you. best sub ohm tank is the kanger subtank (£25). i'd recommend you go to a shop to buy these and ask the shop guy to talk you through it all, but if you're feeling brave/thrifty order from amazon. if you're feeling braver/thriftier you can order from chinese site fasttech.com (only buy the ones labelled 'authentic', avoid the 'styled' for now) but you'll have to wait two or three weeks.

as for liquid, it all depends on your tastes and i'm uk-based so the most popular ones with my lot might not be available in america. if you can easily get hold of watermelon wave and gummi bear by pink spot, give them a go, almost everyone i know loves them. also try out lemonade/pink lemonade by whatever brand as that's usually a safe bet.

for the high end thick gloopy liquids (ie. high vg) to use in sub ohm tanks, try out mother's milk by suicide bunny - it's a creamy custardy thing, hint of strawberry - or milk & honey by cosmic fog. good inoffensive neutral-ish flavours. but this stuff is so dependent on personal preference your best bet is to go to an ecig shop and try out a few different flavours. ask which are most popular from each range. i can usually tell if i'll like it by smelling it.

it does bug me that people spend so much money on the fluids because i know how cheap they are to make. DIY stuff isn't for everyone, especially not if you're just a casual user, but it's v satisfying, plus if you flog it cheap to your mates everyone's a winner.

should probably point out, pink spot and suicide bunny aren't especially well-liked or reputable companies, lot of hysterical ranting online about how their labs aren't that clean and the owners are liars and scoundrels etc. if any of that bothers you, best look elsewhere.

"try out mother's milk by suicide bunny - it's a creamy custardy thing, hint of strawberry - or milk & honey by cosmic fog. good inoffensive neutral-ish flavours. but this stuff is so dependent on personal preference your best bet is to go to an ecig shop and try out a few different flavours. ask which are most popular from each range. i can usually tell if i'll like it by smelling it."

Have both these and have been really underwhelmed. Hoping they're taste better once I do get one of these fancier models you all are talking about.

i was gona say, those two kinda neutral-ish so a good starting point but my personal favourite from suicide bunny is madrina - a creamy melon flavour. managed to make my own slightly-improved version which i'm mad chuffed about.

but yeah, if i understand right you've been using mother's milk at 11w, enbb, and i can't imagine getting much out of it at that strength. the high-end stuff really comes into its own at 30w and upwards, loads of subtle tastes come out, rich thick vapour. it might not be your bag though so it's worth asking in a shop if you can test it out on one of their sub ohm tanks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?t=51&v=WM0SnRlUByQ

wait, that linked to the middle of the video. here it is from the beginning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM0SnRlUByQ

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/09/05/the-poison-in-your-e-cigarettes.html

Summary: ecigarettes are not great for you, but they might be better than regular cigarettes. I'm not sure whether the testing drew a distinction between e-cigs and vaping, either.

tbh people say "vaping" to mean e-cigs 99% of the time now

I nearly just squeezed menthol e-liquid into my eyes rather than eye drops. The bottles are similar. I was hovering the bottle bottle my eye and caught myself.

http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/15-10185./

the diacetyl thing is a bit straw-clutchy, there's much much more of it in the average cigarette than a tank of ejuice. not that it's not an issue, but it's not really the smoking gun that'll bring the whole thing to its knees. bit more info here: http://blog.thedripclub.com/everybody-is-talking-about-vaping-and-popcorn-lung-again-so-heres-a-graph

and related to the discussion upthread, interesting stuff about the dangers/non-dangers of nicotine here: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/e-cigs-inconvenient-truth-its-much-safer-to-vape-20151221?page=3

Rather than occupying a place on the same spectrum that allows caffeine and alcohol to be consumed without stigma, today the word "nicotine" conjures up images of amputated limbs and metastasizing tumors — even though, as Russell made clear, nicotine in itself has never been the deadly culprit in cigarettes.

It may come as a surprise to learn that nicotine, when removed from cigarettes, is relatively benign. Though not free of risks — it can harm a fetus and may affect developing adolescent brains — it also has some benefits. A beguiling substance, nicotine operates as both an upper and a downer depending on the state of the user, proven to simultaneously sharpen focus and calm nerves. "In some ways I think of nicotine as the perfect psychotropic drug," says Paul Newhouse, a scientist at Vanderbilt University. He has spent his career administering nicotine to improve cognitive functioning in those suffering a variety of conditions, from Alzheimer's to Parkinson's to the mental fog created by chemotherapy and HIV medications. "The nicotinic receptors in the brain act as modulators rather than classic transmitters, scanning the system and stimulating what needs to be stimulated and relaxing what needs to be relaxed," Newhouse says, explaining both nicotine's therapeutic potential and appeal for recreational use. "That's why you have a smoker who uses a cigarette to wake up and to go to sleep."

Since the Eighties, anti-smoking groups have taken to underscoring the dangers of smoking by declaring that nicotine is as addictive as heroin — a shudder-inducing claim repeated today in anti-vaping efforts like the "Still Blowing Smoke" campaign currently being rolled out in California. The truth, however, has always been far more complicated. Rats are not prone to self-administer the drug in laboratory settings, for instance, as they will a substance like cocaine. Newhouse, in his research, supplies nicotine to patients primarily through patches, and even those who have been on the drug for a year show no symptoms of withdrawal when their trial period concludes. "No one goes out and buys a pack of cigarettes when they're done," he says. "For someone like me, who is using nicotine to help people, it's a disservice to portray nicotine as being as addictive as heroin when it absolutely is nowhere close."

Mitch Zeller, the director of the FDA's Center for Tobacco Products, the arm of the agency currently working on regulations for e-cigs, concedes that the new products have presented a formidable challenge to the idea that nicotine is anything but a hazard. "Electronic cigarettes have become the poster child for the questions that, on a societal level, we need to be asking about nicotine," he says. "None of them have easy answers." Zeller points out that federal approval for over-the-counter doses of nicotine in the form of gums and patches (with no labels warning of addiction) is evidence that it is not the insidious substance many believe it to be. "How could the same compound associated with so much death and disease be so safe that you can buy it without a doctor's prescription?" he asks. "The answer is that it's about the delivery mechanism, not the drug."

While nicotine can be ingested in a variety of generally harmless ways, it is only when inhaled that its full powers — and potential for addiction — are unlocked. From the lungs it reaches the brain within seconds, providing the satisfying jolt that smokers crave. (A nicotine patch, by contrast, takes many minutes longer.) The habit that is as addictive as heroin, in other words, is smoking tobacco cigarettes, not nicotine consumption. Which is to say that smoking never came to be demonized solely because it is addictive, but because its addictive qualities fueled a dependence that kills. This may seem like splitting hairs, save for the fact that America has anything but an unequivocal issue with drug addiction; if we did, we'd be funneling Starbucks patrons into rehab clinics, pitying those who "need" a glass of wine to unwind rather than joining them for happy hour, and viewing large swaths of the pharmaceutical industry in the same light we do corner drug-slingers.

the Pax 2 is heaven sent

My pax 1 is on the skids. Worth upgrading?

THIS IS NOT A DRILL

http://gawker.com/oh-my-god-a-u-s-congressman-just-vaped-while-legislat-1758511544

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSuAst_XIAAJNrz.jpg

US Dept of Transportation banned these on commercial flights the other day

I smoked for 20 years, then quit, but an uptick in my social life has led to more drinking/going out, and I've been smoking when I drink. This has been bothering me a lot (health concerns mainly) so I got vape thingy and I like it! I was concerned that I would still want 'the real thing' on nights out, but I dont! The vape hits the spot.

I got a Moto Plus, very well reviewed and cheap @ $55. Ultra compact too. I don't think this model is widely available however.

I'm totally unselfconscioss about, probably bc I'm too old to give a f-

My main concern is that vaping will, beyond just replacing my occasional social smoking, get me really hooked on nicotine again. But hey, it's good by cigarettes and that's awesome.

Goodbye cigarettes, silly phone

http://www.vapecommonsense.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/I-Vape-I-Vote.jpg

One of my local bars banned vaping because there are too many 'sick clouds bro' assholes annoying the rest of the customers.

saw some dude vaping on the subway platform the other day.

i had a conversation with a dad outside my preschool yesterday and two minutes in i realized he was vaping, but he was such a ninja with it that i didn't even notice right away.

my kid's preschool that is

Tried this again to wean off nicotine, discovered that most are sub-ohm resistance and designed for giant clouds of vapor. Got one with higher resistance and it actually feels like smoking a light cigarette rather than just a harsh irritation in my throat.

Still not willing to do this in public.

I'd consider this if it juice didn't come in such stupid flavors. I also feel like shopping around for a decent widget is impossible without ending up at sites that are basically the 2016 edition of spinning 3D fire skulls and blink tags

the results are in and vapitos you are winnar

http://annals.org/aim/article/2599869/nicotine-carcinogen-toxin-exposure-long-term-e-cigarette-nicotine-replacement

but i'll say it again: if you're not killing yourself then what's the point

It's amazing the number of people who refuse to switch to ecigs because of image (association with fedora dudes/neckbeards etc). I still vape but can't help but feel selfconscious about it!

I can't do it in public because of the association but it's cut me back from a pack a day to one pack a week (and then only if I go to a bar one night).

i've switched to a small pellet that drops from a plastic tube fixed to a hat that i wear at all times. the hat dings to alert me that the pellet's coming, then i open my mouth and the pellet drops right in there.

@sarahmccammon
BREAKING: US Navy bans #vaping on ships/aircraft after several incidents of exploding/burning e-cigs. Ban is for an indefinite time period.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dam-m1QX4AUrOqn.jpg:small

http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1456/7750/products/DSC_3725_grande_25820346-65be-472c-8682-cfb05ed5c488_grande.jpg?v=1475896274

They know their demo.

Still haven't figured out the demo of guys like me importing Swedish snus. Hopefully its less embarrassing than the modern snuff enthusiast.

I don't smoke or vape, but I've been getting into watching ytpc (youtube pipe community) videos recently

xp it's just as embarrassing but I will admit to having done the same once

“I’m always surprised when I see an adult with a Juul,” she said. “It’s sort of like seeing my grandma with an Alexa.”

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/05/14/the-promise-of-vaping-and-the-rise-of-juul

everything we do is like Tide Pods. Everyone in this generation is semi-ironically, like, We’re ready to die.

I’m gonna start juuling

it’s going to be as awkward as when I opened my friend’s front door to greet trick-or-treaters and a large group of middle school students were there and I exclaimed “wow you’ve got a whole squad out here”

and they giggled and went “haha squad”

geezers be juulin for a minute, no shame bae

Incredible that the Reefer Madness approach is still being taken in 2018

“We are seeing the vaping and the ‘Juuling’ across the board,” a substance-abuse counsellor in Arlington, Virginia, told a local radio station, surmising that vapes might contain “cocaine liquid.” (It is possible, though difficult, to crack open a Juul pod and fill it with your own liquid. This would be a complicated and perhaps unprecedented way to do cocaine.) An assistant principal in North Dakota warned the Grand Forks Herald about the dangers of e-cigarette liquid, which he had inadvertently touched after confiscating a bottle that he found in a student’s backpack. Soon afterward, he began to feel nauseated and “real emotional,” he said.

You know what will get teenagers to not Juul? Telling them it's a pipeline to exciting hard drugs and getting super high.

VAPED TO DEATH

https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/local/pinellascounty/vape-pen-confirmed-to-have-killed-st-petersburg-man-burning-80-percent-of-his-body/67-552249169

Found a juul. Wtf am I supposed to do with this shirt

i love the juul but I'm seemingly allergic and can only vape the mango and, to a lesser extent, mint flavours without coughing up a lung. as in with the tobacco flavoured one i cannot even get enough into my lungs to exhale any visible vapour without having a coughing fit like i just greened out smoking a gravity bong. oh well i would've gotten way more addicted than I've ever been to cigarettes, which I've hardly been smoking lately as I've cut down on booze massively

i've used conventional vapes in the past on many occasions and never had the same issue 乁₍ッ₎ㄏ

Vape the Mango must be the name of a song right

Huge owner of the local pizza place has a vape the size of a brick

I've long argued that vapitos need to get over their self-consciousness, but not if you're vape is much larger than your phone. Then u a dork

your

I dgaf about vape life, but I've had a Juul now for three weeks and haven't had or even wanted an actual cigarette in that whole time. I smoked all day every day for 26 years, so this thing has changed my life.

Hopefully I can wean myself off it by working down to 0% nicotine pods, but I'm setting that goal for six months out.

Anyway, yeah, Juul is rad if you're trying to kick cigarettes.

Also, the cucumber flavor suuuucks, but now I'm stuck with three more pods of it.

I think a neighbour downstairs vapes and it wafts through the floor somehow and is utterly revolting. Ban this filth.

Can someone recommend a device that doesn't crap out within 3-4 months? The advantages of vaping as a way to maintain and not smoke are diminished by what is probably planned obsolesce but it'd be nice to not have to buy so many vessels until I can taper off of nicotine forever

I use an atlantis evo tank + eleaf istick. They've both held up for a couple of years w/ the usual minor maintenance.

im on that juul shit for the time being and since you end up throwing so much of it in the garbage all the time it's probably fairly fail-proof? idk it's been 2 weeks

slightly less wasteful way of using the juul: after they're finished you can pop open the pods and fill them with nicotine salts vape juice. can use a pod like maybe 3 or 4 times that way (also nic salts are cheaper than pods per volume). obviously fucking around with those things is probably not hugely advisable but seems fine

It seems that the milennials are using their juuls as props like the boomers used cigs

Plugging this shit into my laptop to recharge still seems like weird sh1t

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— Juggalocialism (@UweBollocks) April 4, 2019

i got a lightly used pax (think it's the original pax not 2 or 3) from my gf's lil bro's partner because they stopped smoking weed a couple years ago and it was just lying around their apartment. it's great, and according to the receipt would've cost me > $200 canadian to be new so I'm pretty stoked

i also stopped vaping nicotine because i became a much bigger nicotine fiend than i ever was. back on the "few cigarettes when out drinking" bandwagon and feeling better for it tbh.

https://m.imgur.com/ZRgY6Tp

Another nice can design.

wrong vice thread!

God, I suck at this.

Another death in Illinois, the fourth. It's very unclear by the way it's been reported, but listening to the two-part "Daily" podcast a couple of weeks ago, this is apparently by no means limited to bootleg THC carts or vitamin E oil or whatever. There's seemingly something else going on here.

this is apparently by no means limited to bootleg THC carts or vitamin E oil or whatever. There's seemingly something else going on here.

nah

Honest question, why do you say that? The last I saw apparently 80% of illnesses were in people who had used THC products, but there are people who have died who reportedly did not use any THC products. Like the Nebraska guy in the Daily podcast. So what do you think is doing it?

based on everything I've heard there is a very strong correlation but yeah I don't think it's the full story either

It appears to be less of an issue in Europe.

Honest question, why do you say that?

i guess i should make the proviso: regulation of things you can consume in the US is shockingly awful so there is a non-zero-chance that non-black-market vaping products there may have caused severe physical harm and/or death.

but i have yet to read a report which specified that someone suddenly got ill and died from using a regulated vaping product

There's a reason I wrote "It's very unclear by the way it's been reported." There are a lot of reports that do not paint a clear picture. Apparently many/most illnesses and deaths have been linked to vaping THC, but it's not at all clear what percentage of those illnesses or deaths were linked to bootleg THC products. (One presumes a lot.) Yet at the same time, there are reportedly people who have died or gotten sick from legit products as well, as well as people who didn't use THC products at all. The "Daily" podcast I heard was about the first vaping related death in Nebraska, who was an older guy (65+?) who spent a lifetime smoking cigarettes, then changed to nicotine vaping, and, they suspect, he died from that. They talk to his daughter, and she said there is no way this guy was buying back-alley carts or whatever.

I mean, there have been illnesses in Canada as well. And even then, in the article I read about the first reported illness there, you come across shit like this: "While health officials are aware of the brand of vape being used and whether or not the person was vaping a nicotine or cannabis product, they did not wish to disclose it publicly." Like, why not? Why not make it public? Or at least confirm whether or not it was a bootleg product, or even THC vs. nicotine? I have yet to see a single article that said all the illnesses or deaths were exclusively related to bootleg products, or THC products, so if it's not just bootleg products or THC, what's the deal? Why not clear it up for users and consumers?

Like, I just read the story from yesterday about the Michigan teen who go a double lung transplant after vaping related illness, but the article concluded "Health officials declined to release the teen’s name and said he is expected to recover. They also did not specify what the teen vaped or how long he vaped." I understand the first half, not releasing the teen's name, but if they're serious about preventing more deaths and illnesses, why not say what he vaped or how long? Or even say if it was a legit product or not?

there’s a difference between knowing what someone who got sick was using and knowing that what they were using caused them to get sick.

any info that is released will influence the behavior of the general public and may have unintended consequences.

i feel like the mystery is partly because public health officials are happy for it to seem that vaping tout court is dangerous

yeah there is definitely an erring on the side of caution aspect to it.

But there's dangerous, and then there's potentially acutely dangerous/lethal. Smoking is not good for you, especially cumulatively, but I don't think there has ever been an otherwise healthy teen that died from smoking.

I'm just saying that if *all* people are getting sick from bootleg THC carts, then say that. If other products are getting people sick, too, then say that. If they truly have no idea, then say that. Because being vague or secretive has its own unintended consequences, not least the implication that you're safe simply avoiding bootleg THC carts, which may or may not be the case.

For example, I've seen a lot of comments from people on various forums who react to these illnesses or deaths with the same confident, blasé "nah" as Jim in Vancouver initially did, but I don't think anyone is in any position to be that confident, which does not instill ... confidence in how these stories are being reported or how the information is getting to the public. Keep things vague and people will start to come to their own conclusions.

we know, with a good degree of confidence, that out of millions of people in the US who vape every day, < 3000 have gotten seriously ill, with the vast majority of those being people using black market carts

or that should be, "with at least the vast majority".

I understand the odds seem to be low, but you're OK with accepting a certain number of deaths or illnesses from a product?

nah it's bad.

the solution to blackmarket thc carts is the end of the prohibition of cannabis.

the solution to potential deaths from non-black-market carts is better regulation.

i support those things

Yeah, for sure, we're in agreement. My issue is with the very unhelpful lack of clarity in how the story has been reported in the meantime.

ultimately I'm not sure if they can really know exactly which carts these people were using. if you buy carts then you've probably got friends who also buy carts and you've probably hit carts that you couldn't identify. also I suspect that some of these people are not exactly being truthful when asked. which I'm sure the CDC is aware of.

I wonder if there's some kind of genetic factor to it - one would think that if it was just a bunch of bad batches of these things that they'd be concentrated in certain areas, maybe centered around some dude's basement or whatever. I suspect that the carts that put one person in the hospital might be totally fine for a different person

the solution to blackmarket thc carts is the end of the prohibition of cannabis.

would definitely help but you've still got the issue in states like California where it's legal but taxed so heavily that people just buy boots anyway

there’s a difference between knowing what someone who got sick was using and knowing that what they were using caused them to get sick.

any info that is released will influence the behavior of the general public and may have unintended consequences.

― call all destroyer, Thursday, November 14, 2019 5:42 PM (thirty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

well said. a little bit of information can do more harm than good. take a look at the farcical vape bans in MA and other states, where they have blocked the sales of regulated thc vapes and e-cigs

I have to read more about the case you’re talking about, but if working in medicine has taught me anything, it’s that you’d be surprised what people don’t tell you. (there’s a scene in the pilot of twin peaks when cooper and truman are questioning bobby, and cooper chides truman for dismissing leads based on his impression of laura’s character, that I just love as an illustration of this)

jim is also right that the denominator is huge and the number of cases relatively small, and the vast majority of those seem to be related to bootleg THC. I haven’t yet seen a case that has been clearly linked to, say, juu

also important to keep in mind that THC use in these studies is, as far as I’m aware, ascertained by patient report, and there are of course reasons to believe people would not be entirely forthcoming, particularly kids or people who live in states where smoking weed is illegal

that said I’m open to the possibility that juul and other regulated nicotine vapes are dangerous, I mean certainly this shit can’t be good for you, but I need something a little more convincing

The Nebraska case I have mentioned a few times was a 65+ year old dude who switched to nicotine vaping (Juul) as a cigarette substitute. You are right, in that who can really know 100% of the truth when the patient has died, but his family said it was far-fetched to suggest that he used any THC products, let alone bootleg ones.

xp. yeah I'm not super sanguine about the long-term effects. i can see myself hacking away like a miner in 20 years

And yeah, per frogbs, haven't they had illnesses if not deaths in every state now, including places where cannabis is legal?

xpost And that's what I'm getting at with all the confusion. There is generally dangerous ("smoking is bad for you") and acutely dangerous ("smoking this could kill you today"); the latter is a more recent but still somewhat vague development. I've got to assume the reason they haven't declared anything definitive is because they don't know. There are a lot of variables to, er, weed through.

a few years ago before weed became as available as it is now i'd get carts through friends a lot. sometimes those carts would start off tasting fine but after a while acquire a really sickly or gasonliney flavor (having this happen with more than one led to me stop using black market carts - this was long before any of these deaths were first reported). now i don't use any carts because i actually find it inferior in almost every way to true vaping or combustion with actual plant material (tho i'll try one if someone offers one to me), but my impression is that no officially sold PA carts have caused deaths.

You could be right, but again, it's hard to tell. First PA death was last month. This is what the Inky said: "Pennsylvania has reported nine confirmed cases of vaping-related lung illness and a dozen probable cases. The state Health Department is investigating an additional 63 cases. Nationally, most patients had a history of vaping cannabis products, though federal investigators have yet to identify a specific product or ingredient to link all the cases. Some patients reported using only nicotine vaping products." Obv. self reporting does indeed add to the confusion.

https://www.inquirer.com/health/vaping-death-pennsylvania-e-cigarette-lung-illness-20191004.html

this whole thing is absolutely fascinating to me as a public health issue....like here is something that became hugely popular in a short timeframe, is unknowable as far as long-term health effects, and has the confounding factors of thc vs. nicotine and regulated vs. unregulated. seems like a tough nut to crack.

selfishly i'm irritated because i was really enjoying easy access to thc carts before the idiot massachusetts governor went off the rails.

does this mean my magic flight launch box is murdering me, y/n

N, I think your Magic Lunch Box is about as safe as it will ever get.

aiui it’s only a cartridge problem if you’re vaping actual plant material you’re fine

Actual Plant Material
You're listening to the Hand, put down your aerial

Heh. I bet Mike Skinner could give you vaping advice.

that stupid "Irony of it All" track made me not want to touch the stuff for like 10 years

oof that is a stinker. hadn't thought about that in a decade or so

Apple banned vaping apps from the app store which means vape makers are probably scrambling to add hardware UI into their products.

so did they get to the bottom of this or what? haven't heard of any hospitalizations/deaths lately

As of February 18, 2020, a total of 2,807 hospitalized EVALI cases or deaths have been reported to CDC from all 50 states, the District of Columbia, and two U.S. territories (Puerto Rico and U.S. Virgin Islands). Sixty-eight deaths have been confirmed in 29 states and the District of Columbia (as of February 18, 2020).

Emergency department (ED) visits related to e-cigarette, or vaping, products continue to decline, after sharply increasing in August 2019 and peaking in September.

National ED data and active case reporting from state health departments around the country show a sharp rise in symptoms or cases of EVALI in August 2019, a peak in September 2019, and a gradual, but persistent decline since then. Reasons for the decline are likely multifactorial and may be related to the following:

Increased public awareness of the risk associated with THC-containing e-cigarette, or vaping, product use as a result of the rapid public health response.

Removal of vitamin E acetate from some products.

Law enforcement actions related to illicit products.

https://www.wbur.org/commonhealth/2020/02/26/vape-man-died-suffolk-county-massachusetts

it's just been bumped off the headlines by other stuff. coronavirus is the health-scare du jour

RIP Juul

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-XH92Wie0U

Today I started vaping, mostly to try to eliminate tobacco from my life. I’m not yet sure how I feel about it. I typically smoke about 5-10 RYOs a day, but I use king size papers, so it’s probably more like 10-12. I buy high quality baccy (Peter Stokkebye), and I also don’t use a filter, mostly because I never really mastered how to get those things to stay in there.

Anyway, I bought a Vaporesso XROS and some, uh, juices - I hate that word - and while I’m enjoying it, I’m still having the craving to smoke. I chose the 6mg nicotine. Maybe I should have started higher? How long does it take to not want to smoke an actual rollie?

I think quitting will ultimately require some kind of cognitive behavioral therapy or something, because a lot of the reason I smoke is to think and get ideas for work, especially since I started working from home. I don’t smoke in my house, so going outside for a few puffs has become a very welcome way of breaking up my day. I know a doctor would suggest I just replace the tobacco with something else (“why not drink a La Croix outside?”), but I don’t think that will work. And vaping outside would feel just like drinking a La Croix out there, I think.

I’m also not wild about the flavors I chose, even after asking the woman at the shop to recommend me some that were less candy-like and fruity, more savory (and more like tobacco, or at least coffee). I got something called Amy, manufactured by Silverback. It tastes fine but it’s too sweet.

I’m tired of ingesting thousands of gross chemicals into my lungs, having stained fingertips, and coughing. Maybe I just need to give it more time. But maybe there’s just nothing like a damn cigarette?

Reposting answer from other thread:

yeah 6mg is pretty low, that's what the "light" cigarettes have

― groovemaaan, Monday, August 8, 2022 1:12 AM (fifty-nine minutes ago)

Ah, see, I think that's one of the culprits. Thanks. Any rule against topping off my current liquid with, say, an 18mg liquid to even it out?

Also, after doing some reading, I think I need more PG and less VG next time, for more of a cigarette feel and less of a viscous, fruity taste. Full disclosure I didn't know either of these terms 24 hours ago.

As a heavy smoker (~20 a day) I use 18mg, so yeah, you definitely need to go up from 6mg. I don't think there's any reason you can't put a different liquid in the tank but not sure how well the two will blend together, you might just end up with one resting on top of the other. As for PG/VG, I use 50/50 and that seems fine to me. I mostly just buy tobacco flavour juice, but also like cherry as it's a bit 'darker' in flavour than a lot of fruit varieties.

I haven't quit smoking but I exclusively vape at home now, whereas before I was smoking up the house all the time. I definitely like it, and there are times I like it more than cigarettes (tfw you have a raging hangover and feel sick, but you're addicted to cigs, oof). However, if my charge gets low or my coil's getting old, or if I'm really concentrating on something or anxious, then it absolutely doesn't hit the same and I find myself still wanting an actual cigarette to do the job.

I think going with the lowest nicotine available (3mg in juul pods, I was buying 3mg liquid before) helped me in the long run, cravings aren't really there if I run out of pods for a couple of days.

A friend who was at about the same pack a day of American Spirits as me went 6 then 3 and eventually 0mg liquid but kept vaping for a year on that before giving up the vape too.

This is all very helpful, thank you. I think I'm unusual in that I have no plans to eventually go down to 0mg or to stop vaping entirely. I just want to eliminate tobacco completely, and then just ride or die with nicotine forever, but it sounds like that won't be an overnight thing and I was probably dumb to think it would be. I'm just wary of adding one bad habit to an existing bad habit if I continue to vape but also still smoke. I think I'll bump up the nicotine to at least 12 or 18mg and try to keep an eye on the amount of rollies I smoke throughout the day, hopefully lowering that number bit by bit as I go.

I recently discovered an excellent low price tobacco flavour (88Vape Tobacco Nut). It's a quid per 10ml bottle and it's actually better than many 5-6 times the price I have tried. It's nothing special nor is it particularly moreish but it mixes perfectly with other tobacco flavours when you've run out of them and lasts ages on the same coil without going rank.

I'll look for it!

I don't know if it is available outside the UK. I buy US and Malaysian brands here, but I do recall reading something about how brexit might affect UK vape product exports if they are no longer compliant to some EU directive or some shit like that.

I find sweet desert flavours are good in small doses. It actually reduces my cravings for sugary snacks and has helped me lose a bit of weight recently. A pity the alcohol flavours don't have the same effect!

Update, in case anyone is interested: I started vaping 24mg nicotine salts and it has made all the difference. The craving for cigarettes is mostly gone. I'd stop short of calling it "miraculous," because I'm still craving (and enjoying) a morning RYO with my coffee, but the fact that I'm down from ten cigs a day to one feels really good. My goal is to ultimately eliminate even the morning cig, which I realize is more of a psychological barrier than a physical one (it's just so nice sitting outside with a cup of coffee and a smoke). Anyway, just here to praise the salts. Night and day difference for me from the flavored juice stuff I tried (though the bump in nicotine is obviously the bigger factor).

I ended a 20+ cigarette habit in 2018 by moving to Juul, and then to Vuse Alto, but Vuse's quality control got really bad and their prices jumped up to where it wasn't really economical anymore. In recent months I started using a refillable pod system (Vaporesso Zero S, which is fucking GREAT!). I've found a mint juice I like (purely mint, not minty menthol), but anyone have a reco for a good coffee juice? I tried one from VaporFi that starts out pretty good but is so subtle you can barely taste it after a bit of use.

20+ *year

congratulations Johnny!

I know this is a vape thread and not an "I quit smoking" thread, but can I just say? I can smell someone light up a cigarette from, like, a mile away now and it smells terrible. I hate thinking about how I was bathed in that smell for 26 years. Also, the not coughing all the time thing is a huge bonus.

it is kind of crazy, thinking back. mcdonald’s used to provide ashtrays!

Those aluminum things!`

Exactly

Pain in the ass getting atomizers.

I ordered mine from Ali baba a million years ago.

The stores keep selling me the wrong ones.

I like SMOK brand the best.

They work smoothly, and don't make me look like an asthmatic.

ⓓⓡ (Johnny Fever) at 4:58 25 Feb 23

I know this is a vape thread and not an "I quit smoking" thread, but can I just say? I can smell someone light up a cigarette from, like, a mile away now and it smells terrible. I hate thinking about how I was bathed in that smell for 26 years. Also, the not coughing all the time thing is a huge bonus.

I switched from smoking to vaping in 2020 and never looked back. But its deveoped its own set of issues. I cough now, a lot, and I never did with cigs for some reason. I was also a "bum suck" smoker as we call it, like I'd puff on cigs but rarely inhale. With vapes you kid of have to cos of how it works, and now I find I am having dreadful nic fit headache/withdrawal urghiness cos I only vape like thrice a week (when drinking). In other words I think I'm now hooked on nicotiene and wasnt really, before? I know it sounds crazy.

I use juul and equivalents, but my fave flavovur, Pods+ iced pineapple, seems to to have disappeared much to my distress.

I find the majority of vape flavours gross - too sickly sweet, or weirdly milky, or chemical tasting. This was the only one I could stomach for long stretches. Annoying.

You didn't inhale cigarettes? idg the point otherwise lol

my buddy's 14 year old son is heavily addicted to vaping - they have to constantly search his room, and he'll purposely leave empty ones for them to find so they won't find his real stash. He has ADHD and apparently vaping really doesn't help with that condition at all

Vaping teens piss me off. I finally get the cigarette addiction beat by switching to vapes, and then almost immediately the US Gov't puts up all these hurdles FOR THE CHILDREN I have to jump through (particularly with mail order). I guess I could start going to local vape shops for pods/liquid, but those places seem corny and/or gross.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/mar/18/beside-himself-with-craving-the-teenagers-hooked-on-vaping

Nice!!

I see a lot of youngish people buying disposables at the onestop and used ones are littered everywhere, this is deffo a boom time for the vape industry. And I noticed the UK brand Dinner Lady have expanded into the disposable market now, their Lemon Tart flavour is good btw. In the early days I was avowedly against this kind of thing and then I got addicted to nicotine again during the lockdown. Now I'm a VAPE ADDICT. Currently deciding if I should buy another Zenith II tank after my last one developed a leak after only 2 months of use.

How does everyone suddenly have these disposable vapes…yuck

I don't buy disposables but can understand why a lot of young people are buying them. Soaking and cleaning the tanks in between coils can be a pain in the arse. And young people don't like doing the washing up.

So bad for the planet /dad rant