Come anticipate animated Miles Morales in SPIDER-MAN: INTO THE SPIDER-VERSE with me

because holy wow this looks gorgeous

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-OT5kRdL84

Okay, conceptually and visually, I'm sold. Really dig the jagged, dropped frames animation. Whatever you call that style.

gotta be a holdover from lord and miller’s work on the lego movie, right? looks fantastic here though, super-distinctive

also i wonder if they’re introducing the spider-verse here so they can keep their options open for introducing a live-action miles to the mcu further down the line

I kept looking for this to open but just realized it's not until Dec. 2018, dang.

I don't want to start a new thread every time Sony comes up with a dumb new Spider-spinoff, so...hey, guys! They're making a Silk movie! And if you find yourself asking 'who the hell is Silk?', well, just wait until the general public gets wind of this announcement!

This is seriously one of the dumbest of the dumb ideas. I like the character fine but she's been around for all of like three years and I don't know if she's that well-known or popular. Oh, and her series was cancelled last year, so...

don’t forget the silver and black movie starring silver sable and black cat!

Who could forget that! (I had forgotten that.)

I'm looking forward to the inevitable Rocket Racer & Leap-Frog buddy comedy.

Sony’s “Spider-Man universe but without Spider-Man” is dumb as hell

Why does my phone auto hyphenate Spider-Man?

I dunno, but it's a real pain every time I'm trying to correspond with my good friend Murray Spiderman.

i missed this trailer when it came out earlier in the month but this continues to look strikingly beautiful

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4Hbz2jLxvQ

guys

guys

SPIDER-HAM is gonna be in this

and nic cage is playing spider-man noir

hell yes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg52up16eq0

not sure all the humour's going to hit but this really does look incredible

Cage:

There are multiple Spider-Men in different dimensions that are kind of colliding together. My character's Spider-Man Noir. He's really Peter Parker from the '30s. I tried to channel those noir films with (Humphrey) Bogart, and have those kinds of sounds that he might make with (James) Cagney, or Edward G. Robinson, that kind of way of talking. I tried to give the character that. It was a lot of fun. I think it should be quite funny. The movie definitely has a sense of humor, and that's a good thing because it's good for the whole family.

This looks fun and probably miles better than the Bendis comics

I guess the one upside of superhero movie saturation is that audiences don't need to be told the same origin story over and again now, and they can do more... comic-booky stories, I guess?

NB I'm pretending Venom doesn't exist for the sake of that argument

John Mulaney as Spider-Ham!

Early reviews of this thing seem to be almost uniformly stellar.

I don't go to the cinema because of my tinnitus but I might make an exception for this. Will bring space helmet.

Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse
Because we should probably have a thread about the best-looking film I've seen this year.

― Andrew Farrell, Sunday, December 9, 2018 8:28 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It was awesome

― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Sunday, December 9, 2018 8:33 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I loved this.
Just like The Lego Movie, even if it weren't an effective and sweet heart-warming funny film, just on a visual level it's an incredible work.

Was coming around to seeing it soon, now I'm completely sold thanks to this:

https://www.theroot.com/i-expected-to-hate-spider-man-into-the-spider-verse-t-1831076221

Friend who's seen it specifically agreed with this sentence:

This movie is what would happen if you took all the action and complex plots from the live-action Marvel movies, added the heart, humor and relatability of a Pixar film, with all of the dialogue by the staff writers of Atlanta.

Also interesting:

http://remezcla.com/features/film/miles-morales-spider-man-spider-verse-spanish-dialogue/

Seen some promo thing about Peter Parker forgetting how awesome it is to be Spiderman. Having a girlfriend killed, being tortured, buried alive, having an eye plucked out, briefly becoming a villain+murderer, your identity and lifespan in doubt, becoming a wife beater and Joe Quezada trying to destroy your marriage will do that to a guy.

Manslaughtering your beloved wife with your radioactive jizz, too.

I thought this was soooooooo good.

This was terrific. Now that almost any superhero concept can be done live-action, it was great to see a smart film that really had to be an animated film.

Really liked this - and I have no previous interest in Spider-Man. The animation was spectacular and the colours often very beautiful, and the humour was fast and effective. Definitely worth seeing at the cinema.

Yep, excellent film. Takes full advantage of the medium and truly feels like a comic book on the screen. I saw Aquaman the night before which was such an inept mess comparatively

Enjoyed this. Great fun.
Liked the end graphics too. Very trippy.

& it does have an end of credits scene which I didn't quite get the context of.

BUt great fun, is it going to get sequels do you think?

A whole Marvel Noir film, & what else came out around the same time that series first did? Was it just the Mayflower one too?
Could see some mileage in the first, less in the latter.

But Miles is set up now.
Everybody else there had a previous incarnation in comics i think. Not sure about Spider girl or was that in a What If?
Not come across the Sp//dr and Peni Parker thing before though.

All of them come from the comics.

I was confused about something (spoilers?) .....

So Miles lives in a world where there already is a Spider-man, but then he gets bit by a *different* radioactive spider that's been wandering around? Where did the other spider come from? Nbd, I loved this, just was a bit confused.

For those who might not be aware, Spider-Verse was an event in the comics a couple years back which mashed together literally every incarnation of Spider-Man that ever existed, including all of the variations from the comics as well as, for instance, the one from the '67 Bakshi cartoon and the one from the Electric Company and the one from the Japanese show where he piloted a giant robot. It was kinda nuts and surprisingly more fun than disastrous.

(I can't speak to the movie I haven't seen yet, but in the Ultimate comics there was a Peter Parker Spider-Man who died and then, yes, Miles was later bitten by a different spider and became Spider-Man Mk II.)

This was fantastic - visually stunning, funny, sweet and practically bursting with ideas.

I watched this followed right after by Aquaman, which was such a letdown in comparison.

re the post credits scene: it (and pretty much the whole movie tbh) is a riff on this classic internet meme.

xpost Which is sort of what happens here. But where did the other spider come from, years after Peter Parker was first bitten? I thought the first spider was a one-off.

I thought all of the ending credits were tons of fun.

In the comics, some scientist was trying to reverse engineer Spidey's powers after his death and Miles was bitten by one of those experimental spiders. Guessing they probably didn't want to delve too deeply into the whole 'harvesting hero corpses for their superhuman abilities' thing in this film and just left it at 'hey look, another spider'.

I think I was wondering more about the bit leading up to that photo. In the internet meme like.

What a great, great film, can't say anything more than others have already. And man that design sense throughout, with the offprinted color suggestions and the like.

I approve of this news

http://filmmusicreporter.com/2018/12/20/christmas-songs-from-spider-man-into-the-spider-verse-to-be-released/

this was a blast. tons and tons of fun. I guess if I had one thing I would have asked for it would have been more villains.

the one from the Japanese show where he piloted a giant robot.
― Home Despot (Old Lunch), Sunday, December 16, 2018 5:09 PM

Is she really anything like that version of Spiderman? Wasn't that Spiderman a bit like the classic version, but just riding a huge robot?

Apparently there are 5 Japanese versions. I like to refer to the Ono/Ikegami/Hirai version as "the masturbating Spiderman that Marvel will never fully reprint". Apparently some Japanese readers much prefer this version. Even Rumiko Takahashi (Ranma, Urusei Yatsura, Inuyasha) said the American original was "too light hearted for my taste".

Ok in addition to being a good movie, this is undoubtedly the greatest technical achievement in computer animation to date.

my 4yo buddy's review: 'i like spider-man.' why, dude? 'he gets up'

was the female Doc Ock from the comics?

original to this film apparently, according to wikipedia

particular <3 to Kathryn Hahn, Liev Schreiber, Lily Tomlin in this v good voice cast.

"do animals talk in this universe?"

the trailers in front of this were a mix of very dire and samey children's animation about fuzzy animals with indistinguishable handclappy pop themes, intolerable Christian movies, and DC's Shazam, which struck me as at least not horribly misbegotten and possibly charming in a throwbacky kind of way

god, the crossturbation trailers actually had me reacting loudly in the theatre. we had two of them.

did you get the one with Topher Grace?

I wouldn't know

was the female Doc Ock from the comics?
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, December 24, 2018 5:33 PM

original to this film apparently, according to wikipedia
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Monday, December 24, 2018 5:37 PM

There was one in the 90s but probably a different character.

GOD DAMN this was TREMENDOUS. this is EXACTLY what a comic book movie should be.

only niggle, which is common to pretty much all movies and tv now, is that everything happens so fast you forget what just came before. there's v little time to actually process anything. but my lord, the benday dots and shading and absurdly abstract climax - cars and buildings and trains and the brooklyn bridge all floating by in a swirling, howling matrix of dots and colours, all to be used as background and leverage and weapon. utterly insane.

my 7-y-o says, pausing over a burrito afterwards, "it was all about the promise he makes to peter parker." and i thought god damn, lord and miller would bottle that moment if they could and put it on their mantelpiece.

It really is that good. Kinda expect to see this being a year zero moment way more than anything around it -- just give it a few years.

i don't think I've ever seen anything like it, outside of loony tunes. the anarchy and physical delight of it.

Agreed that this is the standard to which superhero movies should set themselves. I’d take something of this caliber over any live action adaptation for what it’s worth.

- bagel -

it turns out 'make pretend real' wasn't it

were the backgrounds and foregrounds supposed to be deeply off-register at times or should i bug the theater about a refund for showing the 3D version during the 2D showing?

Yes that was an intentional choice to interpret depth of field through a “misregistration” effect. Theatrical 3D uses polarization not colored lenses. (NB I thought this effect was very cool.)

i had the same thought! the fact they were able to make choices that bold is frankly a goddamn Christmas miracle imo

there is something else that annoys me, not a big deal, but hang on for an extremely Old Lunch post. i too have read a screenwriting book or two, and there is a moment in this movie which is commonly known as All Is Lost - miles is imprisoned by super-strong spidey string to a chair, his powers deemed too immature for him to participate in the Final Mission; he is unable to make good on his promise to peter parker. everything has stopped, the movie is going to happen without him. now typically what happens here is the hero has to realise some fundamental truth about themselves in order to tap into their real power - they have to stop fighting fate, or realize they're actually in love, or whatever. once the key to their own personal conflict has been turned they're able to advance to the public conflict of the A-story. this little turn has been used so many times in so many movies that we're primed for it, even if just subconsciously. so it almost no longer even needs to make any sense, in a way. it just needs to be there. and in this movie it just sort of seemed to be there without making much sense. Miles' dad shows up, knocking at his door. to tell him that.. he's hard on him because he loves him! but.. we knew that! miles knew it! his dad even hailed him on the patrol car's loudspeaker to tell him he loved him, in front of all his new classmates (fantastic scene by the way!) I guess you could say that Miles doesn't in fact CONFIDE in his dad - he saves that for his uncle. that's a key that could be turned here, maybe. but miles doesn't (can't, in fact - his mouth's stopped up!) So his dad just.. leaves? but the box has been ticked - Miles now digs deep and can turn on his electricity powers and we're off. i mean.. not a huge deal but it is the pivot on which Miles' story turns and it's pro forma.

lol okay my 7-y-o has set me straight on this. Miles WANTS to confide in his dad but he can't because his mouth is stopped up and it makes him so mad that he is able to use his powers, like the Hulk!

broke my superhero movie ban for this and dammit i'm glad i did. an absolute feast for the eyes. i mean in a year where isle of dogs and mandy both came out...idk they're all spectacular in completely different ways, unforgettably bold.

while this film maybe missed a couple of storytelling beats in its rush to be a literal comic book, it really is the best representation of the form i can imagine having existed on screen thus far. it couldn't have put any more thought, effort or love into its desire to do the form justice. it makes me want to read marvel comics and that coming from me is nearly heresy

let's talk about phil lord (and christopher miller) (but mostly phil lord). the dude wrote this and i think his script and story allowed the perfect pacing and space for the visuals to build to their jaw-gaping climax, which was kind of like cloudy with a chance of meatballs turned up to fifteen - he's always wanted to make this exact spectacle and now he has (as producer/writer - i'm v interested to find out more about the actual direction team)

i've wanted to start a lord/miller thread for a while. i'm obv v cynical about superhero movies and hollywood spectacles and such but they are YET TO MAKE A BAD FILM - they absolutely nail it every time. i think they and lord especially are the preeminent geniuses of the actionverse right now. they have some very repeatable but always laudable tropes. they are single-handedly responsible for making cops cool again. i mean they're doing amazing work presenting their idea what the police could and should be - strong, fatherly, responsible, moral, balanced. so yeah they love cops, sure, but they mostly love good fathering. idk i'm rambling here. cops as servants rather than corrupt powerbrokers. it's a fantasy maybe but they own it so well. stop me ffs

also all their scripts are on point

again, the greatest technical achievement to date in computer animation

Things to notice:
🕷️ Both Miles & Peter are animated on 2's (12 poses/sec), while the scene was rendered on 1's (24 frames/sec). So even though they're frozen for two frames, they are moving within the frame.
🕷️ They are on animated 2's, but offset from each other.
🕷️ Bagel!!! pic.twitter.com/V64n8cRffT

— Todd Vaziri (@tvaziri) January 2, 2019

there's more stuff in the thread on this single shot. The offset 2s are wild as heck

haha man I didn't notice all that stuff but I was conscious that there was a lot of deep animated juju going on even if i didn't know exactly what it was. the off-register depth-of-field effect, the stop-motion style stuff. felt bristly and alive and all times.

so fuckin' metal. animation-wise, i mean

I want to sit in a theater and frame-advance through this movie for 12 hours

Same. What a great movie!

I watched this yesterday and despite several distractions, I was absorbed. So beautiful and streamlined.

Doc Ock reminded me of Entrapta from the nu She Ra, both in voice and design.

Looooove Gwen's design. Undercut + pointe shoes = yay.

For sure, one of the best costume comic book costume designs in the last decade. Feel like that's half the reason for her success

Took my four year old to see this before christmas not expecting too much but holy fucking shit did I love this. Enough that I saw it again on New Years Day; I don't remember the last time I saw a movie twice in a theater - honestly it might have been Back To The Future or the Phantom Menace (in an attempt to see if it really was that bad).

Everything about this was great, even for me with little to no comic book / spiderman literacy. And Doc Ock (prior to the reveal) was the biggest laugh for me as she felt like a dead-on composite of a bunch of STEM academics I know or have had interactions with.

she reminded me of the 'nerd' character on Orphan Black

I loved this movie so much, Doc Ock was legitimately terrifying and her demise was wonderful.

Three times in my life have I been in a movie theatre and seen something so funny that my entire body seized up in a static form of hysterical laughter. The first was age 10 when Bob Hoskins yells "Ooga Booga" at the bouncer in "Who Framed Roger Rabbit". The second was Jonah Hill wiping out on a side-view mirror in Superbad. The third was the moment when Aunt May is looking around her house at the various fight scenes, and frames appear 1-2-3-4 of tussling, and the final fourth frame is of Spider-Ham smashing one of Aunt May's plates over his own head. One of the funniest gags I've ever seen tbh

Sorry it wasn't a sideview mirror it was Emma Stone's nose

I misremembered

lol!

The third was the moment when Aunt May is looking around her house at the various fight scenes, and frames appear 1-2-3-4 of tussling, and the final fourth frame is of Spider-Ham smashing one of Aunt May's plates over his own head. One of the funniest gags I've ever seen tbh

Joy and genius indeed.

A very pure lol

I love especially that it was Spider Ham's panel that sent May over the edge.

also also lol at Miles scrolling past Bendis when he was desperate for someone to talk to after his powers started manifesting.

this was great, so nice to see something that doesn't look like every-other-fucking-thing. only time my attention started to droop was in some of the emotional beats in the 3rd act which felt rote. otherwise appreciated the overall wild and loose tone

I'm going to see this again with one of my kids this afternoon. Something I've been wondering since the first time, though: how did he end up with Morales as his last name? Maybe we'll get a name origin story in the next movie.

Went into this with a cautious "it can't be as good as everyone says" in my heart but it really is as good as everyone says!

how did he end up with Morales as his last name?

that's his mom's name?

yeah. but isn't it unusual for a child to take the mother's last name and not their dads?

because if he took his dad's name he'd be Miles Davis

(it's pretty damn weird that his dad's name is "Jefferson Davis")

also unusual for a child to be bitten by a radioactive spider and gain superpowers iirc

and yet, it happens

It apparently happens a lot!

it's more common than you think

Even better the second time, especially the final set piece. And Spider Ham, when he glitches, makes that cartoon googlygoogly sound.

it's pretty damn weird that his dad's name is "Jefferson Davis"

thank you!

thank David Brothers in 2012: http://4thletter.net/2012/11/me-and-my-people-got-history-why-how-i-write-about-race/

This was extremely cool.

https://youtu.be/WvIphseK3pA

Great interview with the directors.

Ordered this print from Bottleneck Gallery. Glow in the dark bonus to a cool image for a Spidey fan. Nice when they have timed runs, printing as many as ordered, versus a limited run that seems to sell out in minutes.

it's sold out

Yeah, shoot. Came here thinking I mentioned it earlier in the thread, but no.

this is a perfect movie, isn't it? i might need to see it again to make sure

as i went on at length about upthread there are about 2-3 minutes, right before the emotional climax, of daddy issues that they apparently felt the need to shoehorn in there in order to tick a scriptwriting box - guys, hint: it's not the dad who needs to learn to to say i love you to his son, it's the other way around! - but apart from that i pretty much agree

https://youtu.be/9x2yXKckfuA

daddy issues that they apparently felt the need to shoehorn in there in order to tick a scriptwriting box - guys, hint: it's not the dad who needs to learn to to say i love you to his son, it's the other way around! -

STFU with this dad-ass bullshit, he needs to learn to have empathy for his son, and not to top-down impose his idea of what The Kids These Days live with based on his own experience

well, like i said, shoehorned

it's minor though

and it’s a huge point at the climax that Miles does indeed learn to say I love you to his dad

you’re gonna be in trouble when yr kids are 13 if you’re so “WON’T SOMEONE THINK OF THE FATHERS???!” already, at a rad cartoon

haha no no sorry, I'm saying it was all unnecessary. there was nothing that needed fixing in their relationship. but in a movie script something always has to Get Fixed in order for the hero to realise their true potential etc

Well, a case could be made that his relationship with his father *is* good, but it's the imposition of spider-problems that, for the first time and for a few different reasons, cuts off the line of communication in a healthy relationship. The movie could be seen as his (Miles) struggle to retain his identity when fate is forcing him to be someone he's not. He spends the entire time more or less getting Spider-splained, right up until that scene when he is literally tied and gagged, and it's only the final ignominy of being unable (literally, not figuratively) to speak with his dad that forces him to become his own Spider-man. That is, a Spider-man that above all else wants to keep it *real* - with Brooklyn, tagging, his school, his cool uncle, a dad who is spider-man dubious - while fighting against the forces trying to make it unreal (superpowers).

Dads are bad
Kites are fun
This derail is dumb
I want gum

How is it a derail? I'm saying it's not a flaw of the film, which was even better the second time, but a further take on a central theme.

don't mean you specifically, was talking about the "daddy theme" derail before yours

i was speaking to the point of this being a "perfect movie" and explained why i think it isn't! maybe i should have started a new thread..

I vote perfect.

Or at least as good as Paddington 2.

checks out

Wait, Paddington 2 was good?

Very good tbh

And I have v little patience for kiddie shit

paddington 2 and paddington 1 are both great.

Yeah, they really are.

Paddington 1 is v good, Paddington 2 is perfect

Loved both movies but I found the end of P2 really stressful (not including the prison dance sequence). It was like the Passion of Paddington! I needed another five minutes of toothbrush jokes or something to bring me down from the ceiling.

finally got around to seeing this and yeah it's fucking magical, loved everything about it, every frame is bursting with invention and it nails the heart of every single one of the spider-men (and spider-gwen!) it puts onscreen

otm

oscar isaac was spider-man 2099?!?

Paddington 2 was indeed good

Oscar is essentially a cameo after the credits.

exactly!

You people are a bunch of worthless pieces of shit for not emotionally preparing me to see "Spiderman: Into the Spider-Verse."

A MOTHER FUCKING THREAD

— amber ruffin (@ambermruffin) February 8, 2019

Idly browsing some article about Gerard Way after watching Umbrella Academy on Netflix, and it turns out that the dude also created Peni Parker. o_O

(iow MCR continues to be the most important band in the world.)

sorry i guess this was prob known to comics fans - i just thought it was cool.

I didn't know - if asked I would've guessed that he was DC exclusive, what with him curating the 'new Vertigo' imprint for them.

holy shit how amazing is this

:)

t/s: this or isle of dogs. i can't decide tbh

uh

sorry i hate it when people do that but seriously

Paddington 1 is v good, Paddington 2 is perfect

― steven, soda jerk (sic), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 22:45 (two weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

marginally prefer 1 but both are 10/10

Spider-Verse > Paddington 1 > Paddington 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Isle of Dogs

unfair on isle of dogs but otherwise yes correct perhaps

anyway back on topic this movie absolutely killed on every level possible

Post Malone was unnecessary and the quote at the end was fucking repugnant, but otherwise yes

watched it again last night, enjoyed it even more the second time around - so much incredible physical comedy in this, from big broad strokes like miles getting pigeons stuck to his hands as he careens around the outside of the school and the ‘kid dressed as spider-man dragging a homeless corpse’ train sequence to the little things like the ‘BAGEL!’ sound effect and the aforementioned spider-ham smashing a plate over his own head moment that is so fucking funny

they do such a great job of making the prowler of all people, a solid c-lister at best in the comics, actually scary too

it’s pretty much perfect

Post Malone was unnecessary

post malone is always unnecessary

eh, the guy just died. I don't think a dumb quote is "repugnant" (and I'm well aware of Stan's crimes)

the guy in the next slide just died too

fuck, post malone is dead? rip big man

posthumous malone

I have a much larger Post Malone tolerance than most of ILX but I don’t think it’s overstating things to say “Sunflower” is not only his best song, but is a legitimately good song regardless of whether you like dude or not.

" the quote at the end was fucking repugnant" how so?

i just pre-ordered the blu-ray of this and noticed that it will include an 'ALL NEW MINI-MOVIE “Spider-Ham: Caught In A Ham”' which has basically made my year

This is a very good film but the pacing has all the flaws that come with an origin story, plus having to accomodate a pretty huge supporting cast. The act structure seemed pretty uneven and I would gladly pay extra for less of the dayglo Akira climax battle, especially the gratuitous drubbing our hero apparently has to take at the hands of Kingpin so we can be reminded that Spider-Man gets back up.

Loved Doc Ock, not enough Spider-Ham, and what sort of bad guys are running around in Peni Parker's world if SP//dr is rendered combat ineffective so easily?

can you explain what you mean by an uneven act structure? it seemed evenly tuned to me but maybe there are screenwriting nuances i didn't get

this movie looks incredible and rules so hard. as corny as it is, the twin themes of "the greatest responsibility is to yourself" and "anyone can be spiderman" really got me.

"dayglo Akira climax" is my new favourite w33d strain

On rewatch it makes me want to fast forward through the beginning and get to the middle 50 minutes or so, and then I find other stuff to do during the final battle. TBH, this is true of tons of movies, many of them good, and origin stories almost always have this problem.

Raimi's first Spider-Man movie cheated a little bit by having Peter Parker get into an extremely low-stakes fight early on, just to show what his powers could do even without mastery; this one takes the more realistic (ha!) approach of having Miles suck at spider-powers until we're nearly at the end.

Finally watched this last night on blu-ray - had hoped to see it in the cinema but it was out at a crappy time for me, so didn't manage it. Gutted to have missed it on the big-screen because it is, as everyone has said, absolutely visually amazing. Unlike anything else I've ever seen, and I hope it proves to be massively visually influential.

Do agree to an extent with Tombot - the neon-2001-meets-Akira climax pushed about 10% too far for me, and it definitely had that first-act 'get to the plot' issue that a lot of origin movies have. BUT the first act was also beautiful and there was a lot of eye-candy to soak in (it gave you time to get used to the visual language, which is good), and there were plenty of funny and humane moments in it too.

Can't wait to watch it again, and eager to return my borrowed copy so I can but it myself.

i just pre-ordered the blu-ray of this and noticed that it will include an 'ALL NEW MINI-MOVIE “Spider-Ham: Caught In A Ham”' which has basically made my year

― kiss me dadly (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 11 March 2019 13:36 (one month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this was great btw, would watch the shit out of a saturday morning spider-ham series

Watched this again on Netflix, and I don't know why I didn't notice/remark upon character designs for Kingpin and Vanessa being cribbed from Sienkiewicz's Daredevil: Love and War art.

April 8, 2022 🕷 #SpiderVerse pic.twitter.com/FC5nVIuciB

— Spider-Man: Into The Spider-Verse (@SpiderVerse) November 1, 2019

*climbs into stasis pod, sets defrost date for 2022*

I hope it's called Spider Man: In2 the Spider-verse-verse

woot

pic.twitter.com/JToo1ZQQWt

— Ooooo—Scaddy Font. (@scaryfont) November 1, 2019

Watched this twice on Blu-Ray over the holidays. Still so so great.
I got the special edition which includes a 3D BluRay. Since my TV supports it, I might finally get 3D glasses just for this. Even the regular version looks like a 3D thing.

Gear up...

Miles Morales’ story and the #SpiderVerse web expands. Take a first look at Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse (Part One). Exclusively in movie theaters October 2022. pic.twitter.com/EvnFkTruBg

— Spider-Man: Across The Spider-Verse (Part One) (@SpiderVerse) December 5, 2021

suh kyut

the full anime

ooo babey

So, so excited to share the new full trailer for Spider-Man: Across the #SpiderVerse - coming to theaters June 2023! pic.twitter.com/ak8Z1gAiZ8

— Christopher Miller (@chrizmillr) December 13, 2022

Cool, but it's mainly clips from the first film!

Uh, no it's not? Either way, looks great!

many intriguing-looking spider-people in there

i guess spider man has a citadel of ricks now

Going for a straight embed here to avoid the Twitter factor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqGjhVJWtEg

I feel like at least half of that is indeed from the first film, unless they are completely repeating the same beats in the new one

Yeah I admit “mainly” was an overstatement, but you see less of the new movie than you usually do with a teaser, let alone a trailer (conversation btw Miles and his mom aside)

Lookin' good!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shW9i6k8cB0

yooooooooooo

so should I just send them my money now or ... ?

Wouldn't hurt

Trailer breakdown for YOU NERDS oh wait

https://gizmodo.com/spider-man-across-the-spider-verse-trailer-breakdown-1850300269

God that trailer's tasty.

I just hope it has the same glee to it the first one did, not sure how I feel about so much teenage angst

...it's Spider-Man!

I mean the trailer ends on a joke about how everyone knows he's dealing with trauma.

Wow..just incredible leap forward

zero percent chance i ever remember which movie is Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse and which is Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse

Yeah it’s like they looked at the three MCU Spidey titles and said the proverbial “hold my beer…”

oh yeah "No Way Home" vs "Far From Home" may be worse

is there some significance to the three movies having the word 'Home', like names of storylines from the comics? baffled why they would title three movies so similarly. and yes, the animated ones are no better

Anyway having just seen Across, absolutely fucking ruled, no notes, see it immediately.

Hells yea. Every little detail was wonderful

Important note for those so inclined: no after-end-credits sequence, but do stay through the initial credits for the impressionistic bit, it's quite good.

Every little detail was wonderful

I am just amazed at the perfect simplicity of the bagel joke in the first one essentially making everything else happen -- that's butterfly theory for you.

is there some significance to the three movies having the word 'Home', like names of storylines from the comics?

Not that I’m aware of… it’s baffling to me as well.

My son is watching it w his brother and a couple of friends today.. v jealous (I have to work)

We still talk about the "BAGEL!" moment

Watched the first one again with my daughters the other day - they still tear up when Miles' uncle dies. For all that it's sensationally designed and hilarious, has an underappreciated emotional heft imo.

Oh boy does that play out here too.

tbh I wish every remaining Marvel film would take a few notes

also I want a book of the art of this movie.

I thought it was weird that Miles' uncle kept calling himself "Biff" in the last act.

This was absolutely glorious to experience in a theater full of people who were too young to experience The Empire Strikes Back in first run

That's a damn good comparison! (When I saw it the other night there were a few teens down the row and they were definitely going through things at the end a bit.)

soooooooo good
seriously i can feel like i'm watching groundreaking animation history in real-time during these films

loved every frame of this, what an incredible, joyous extension of the events, themes and visuals of the first movie

the opening 10 mins or so on gwen’s earth are just astonishingly beautiful

I was confused about something (spoilers?) .....

So Miles lives in a world where there already is a Spider-man, but then he gets bit by a *different* radioactive spider that's been wandering around? Where did the other spider come from? Nbd, I loved this, just was a bit confused.

― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 16 December 2018 17:03 (four years ago) bookmarkflaglink

so the scene where gwen (and invisible miles) investigate the spot’s crime scene using only the word ‘shoot’ was def a reference to the scene in the wire where the bunk (and visible mcnutty) investigate a crime scene using only the word ‘fuck’, right?

a few more thoughts:

loved the spider-man 2099 flashbacks being in rick leonardi-vision

‘we call these events ASM-90s’ in reference to police captain deaths was my favourite of the many blink-and-you’ll-miss-‘em spidey nerd drops

ben reilly had me howling every time he showed up, absolutely perfect

DJP great call on the Empire allusion - that fits perfectly.

Even though there was a ton of exposition, they packaged it in an organic way that felt like fluid storytelling.

So much so that when Miles finds out he's in the wrong universe, you and Miles make the realization at the same time, but also recall the reason WHY it happened at the same time. Brief Chekhov's gun that worked exactly like it was supposed to but Miles, the other Soidermen, and the audience momentarily forget he got hit by a spider from Earth-42 so the machine was always going to send him to THAT universe

is there some significance to the three movies having the word 'Home', like names of storylines from the comics?

I think it comes down to the fact that Spider-Man was coming “home” by being incorporated into the MCU and made by Disney/Marvel’s studio, rather than a separate company. That would help explain why the first MCU-affiliated movie was subtitled “Homecoming”

Similar to Disney/Marvel getting the rights back to the FF and X-Men.

i’ll be honest i saw the story beat in neando’s spoiler tags coming as soon as miles decided on his course of action but it didn’t lessen the suspense of exactly how it was going to play out

and it was not a disappointment

Yea tbh I don't think it would have been for me either.

It's so character driven that the moments and interactions between everyone matter more than plot devices but the storytelling is game enough that that stuff works too.

I noticed something up was up when his mom's eyes were GREEN.

re: franchise name theming, it does seem (especially with hints in the latest installment) like they're teeing up for a potential "Home Alone in the Spider-Verse" crossover...

i enjoyed the confirmation that the one unshakable, foundational aspect of the spider-verse is that jk simmons is always, ALWAYS j jonah jameson

Honest question here -- who was Ziggy Marley's character again? (Seriously, he's in the cast list -- half thought he might be the bodega guy?)

he is!

And voiced by…Ziggy Marley! https://t.co/nqfVFkOMFY

— Phil Lord (@philiplord) May 28, 2023

Ha, excellent.

I had that excellent "realising at the same time" moment as well - My wife is smarter than me and pointed out that there's a big "World 42" graphic during the Go-Home machine's operation

ben reilly had me howling every time he showed up, absolutely perfect

And of course he's Andy Samberg

I want to believe they asked Bobbie Vylan to voice Hobie Brown.

anyone else completely oblivious like me and didn't realize this was two parts? My heart sank when I saw that "to be continued". (but honestly a sign of the movie's quality that 2h20m flew by so fast and that I so desperately wanted to see what happens next.) Like the first, a wonderful movie, and amazing to see on a big screen

There was press about it but I’d completely forgotten until after the movie ended

Man this is nuts, I feel like I’m the only person who very much knew this was the case going in.

Vinnie's post x2

Also can't tell if there's a Douglas Adams reference happening there or not.

i assumed that it was - not sure if it has any grounding in the comics

I read no press going in but I knew at around the 100 minute mark that they clearly weren't going to resolve this in one.

This is gonna be the first best picture Oscar winner I'll have outright skipped since Lord of the Rings.

for shame!

Last best picture winner I saw was No Country for Old Men.

Now there's a movie that could've used an animation sequence, maybe when he was outrunning the dog.

Is this chill enough for a six year old?

i took my eight year old and she loved it but a) it is long and she was getting pretty antsy by the end, especially because 2) there are a lot of long scenes that are basically just conversations about family relationships. however it is visually stimulating enough that the kid might be able to push through the talkiness

it is fairly mature but more emotionally mature than in terms of violence/sex/whatever (it's very tame on those levels - obviously there's fighting but no blood or anything too upsetting)

Man this is nuts, I feel like I’m the only person who very much knew this was the case going in.

You literally warned us in this thread in 2021! We have no excuse

Haha well there you go.

i took my daughter who turns five next week (who loves the first movie) and she was pretty enraptured by the visuals until about 30 mins from the end when she started getting a bit wriggly

i didn’t realise how long it was going in tbf, i might have thought twice otherwise

the art style when it's gwen and her dad was just astonishing

the action bits were outstanding obviously although there are so many of them, and they are so overwhelming, that i kind of can't remember any of it? like going on a great, terrifying rollercoaster, you can't even remember what happened two minutes after you get off

loved miles' mom

didn't really like the dads who can't let their kids spread their wings and be who they are yadayada i'm just beyond tired with this stuff

miles totally forgot about the cake, i guess we'll get that in pt 3

but obviously right up there with pt 1 in a separate league of their own several continents above any other comic book movie ever made obv

Also loved that the along with the obvious footage from the first two Spiderman movie series, the third one was represented by Donald Glover as the Prowler, who of course that's who he is in Homecoming

My plan to solve my 8 year old getting squirmy is to bring a second 8 year old but I don’t know if the effects cancel or amplify yet.

I hope your kid enjoys it but I know mine would be crazier with a friend there haha. incidentally in my theater in Vietnam there was a squirmy 5-6 year old who kept walking around and complaining during the movie, probably amplified by the fact that they took him to an English audio screening instead of a Vietnamese dubbed. I felt really bad for him

When my wife took our kid to see Spider-Man 3, back in 2007, he ran around the theater the whole time pretending to shoot webs and jump and climb, imitating Spider-Man in the movie. He wasn't loud about it, so as a 3-year-old, he got a pass from all the other theater-goers, I guess? I think that sounds like the ideal standard for superhero movies, and maybe there should be kids-only screenings that explicitly allow for it.

I got pretty fidgety around the last twenty minutes or so tbh. Dropped my ice cream and everything.

Damn I just love this story.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/07/movies/spider-man-across-the-spider-verse-lego.html

the art style when it's gwen and her dad was just astonishing

yeah the way the watercolours in the background start running like tears and the colours evolve as the conversation progresses was just breathtaking

i was so bowled over by the visuals in gwen's sequence at the start of the movie that i was faintly disappointed for the first couple of minutes of miles' story that it only looked gorgeous instead of revolutionary

ned's nytimes story is amazing, that kid is incredibly talented

I thought this movie was great, every frame full of greatness, but it was a little too long, especially given the way it ends. Or doesn't (which took me by surprise). Also tired of this multiverse stuff, but that's a bit shaking fist at sky at this point.

yeah i'll admit a little weariness at timelines and canons and policing the butterfly effect at this point

at any point, really. or at all points. all at once.

I mean, I kinda liked how it worked with the meta touches on that front.

My counter argument to multiversal weariness is “shut up, ya jabroni”

in my universe jabroni means 'great guy'

Mine too!

yeah that story about the 14-year-old is amazing

I guess I wasn't as thrilled with the visuals as everyone else (for some reason it conjured up pixar + apple facemojis a lot of the time), but I liked how the ultimate "real villain" of the story is really how tired and unnecessary every superhero's trauma origin is, and it's on a level of the lego movie openly mocking lego's business model, if not quite as hand-bitey.

Also the putative villain sounded like Doug and Fry from Futurama -- was it the same voice actor?

No, it was Jason Schwartzman.

i did not buy that miles’ loving, thoughtful parents would not support his dream to *checks notes* study quantum physics

now that i think about it, i don’t buy that perpetually late, spray-paintin, notebook sketchin, absolutely ripped part-time spiderman miles morales is obsessed with quantum physics but i’ll park that (as the movie did)

You did get that he wanted to study quantum physics so he could figure out how to see Gwen again, right

Took the (adult) kids today, sat close up front. Holy. Fckn. Shit. I felt like a kid again. Plot was a bit lengthy but one of the most beautiful things I’ve ever seen in cinema.

You did get that he wanted to study quantum physics so he could figure out how to see Gwen again, right

i did but i thought he also was supposed to be genuinely into science? was it all a ruse?? whatta scamp

did not buy that miles’ loving, thoughtful parents would not support his dream to *checks notes* study quantum physics

It's not that they're against him studying quantum physics, it's that they don't like the idea of him moving away from them. Which is irrational but a kind of irrational that a loving, thoughtful parent might fall for imo.

i’m just full to my back teeth of “gotta be me” parent conflicts, it’s like a tic at this point, everybody’s tryina get out of winesburg ohio, even when nobody’s stopping them

Yeah, but they're tying to get to Brooklyn

"Princeton? In New Jersey?" was a funny line.

biggest laugh in my theatre was when rio says something like “she did not just call me by my first name”

2) there are a lot of long scenes that are basically just conversations about family relationships.

we were sitting in front of some like 12 year olds and they clearly had an issue with this and started cracking jokes and talking during every conversational scene. I finally had enough and turned around and told them to shut the fuck up. I thought they were going to jump me and beat me down when the movie was over they glared at me so hard. little shitheads.

I'm afraid the biggest laugh in our screening was me, laughing at Dark Garfield. My daughters, embarrassed, asked me to hush. Crossover with the crying at films thread, but I blubbed heartily as Miles and Gwen swung thru Manhattan together.

Yeah I nearly cried then too, it’s so beautiful and free.

went to see this with the kids today, they enjoyed it, as did I, did tire a bit towards the end as it became clear that we were only halfway through what may turn out to be a five-hour epic which had been chopped in half. But kids were eager to see the next part.
I am really not into superhero films, but this was OK.

I can accept that this is the middle installment of a trilogy. And I know that the constant art shifts are one of the strengths (superpowers?) of animation. But I found it wearying.

was this released in 3d anywhere? is anything released in 3d anymore? I had this vague feeling I saw the first one in 3d but my kid tells me no. It would be both amazing and incredibly overwhelming in 3d.

Apparently there was some grumbling from the 3D fans that this movie was rushed out with no time to make a 3D version.
I'm kinda with them since I'm not a fan of the faux-3D off-register effect they use to simulate depth, which I assume would disappear in an actual 3D version.

A 3D version would have been super fun to watch, but we already waited 5 years for this one. I suspect there will be a delay for part 3

Nah, they worked on both at the same time. Due for release in March.

It's still possible - from what I understand they were still tuning this up all the way to the release date - but Steinfeld recently said she hasn't even recorded voice lines for the third movie yet. there's still enough time, but...

I thought the voice work was done pretty early in an animated film so the visuals could match.

Yeah most of the voice work is done early but I wonder if some of the action sequences are worked on even earlier like they are in lice-action Marvel

That typo is so much better than what I was trying to say

Lice action baby

this movie was so good I don't even know what to say about it

love that Jeff Koons is now canon (or was this established in the comics?)

loved the venom cameo too

Saw this with my 9yo and my (comics ambivalent/averse) wife and we all came out loving it so much. We didn’t know it would be a cliffhanger so we had some whiplash right at the end but then we went out for some burgers and couldn’t stop talking about everything we loved. I’m shocked my son never got tired of the lengthy family emo scenes but he was rapt throughout.

I noticed something up was up when his mom's eyes were GREEN.

My wife noticed that too! I didn’t (we just saw it)

I thought the soundtrack was terrific. The animation too, obv.

My favorite part was the introduction of Indian Spider-Man, as it recaptured the fun & humor of the first movie (but I know this movie was a different thing, and OK not to have much more of that schtick). I also loved that sassy digital assistant gal.

As a Jessica Drew stan, I enjoyed that character (Issa Rae!)… even if she was kind of a jerk :/

I didn’t quite get why, if Miles being Spidey is an anomaly, why would his dad not dying also be an anomaly? Like why would his father be an important “Captain” in the “real” Spider-Man’s story in that universe? But I know there’s no point in questioning multiverse logic..

(I also didn’t get how that spider happened to get to Miles’s universe in the first place, but I assume I wasn’t paying close enough attention)

I assume there will be a 4K box set of this trilogy sometime next year after "Beyond..." is released and I'm already looking forward to that.

I think the first was rendered at 2K, I didn't bother buying the 4K disc for that reason. The second certainly needs 4K!

Amazing.

Pretty impressive (and detailed) list of comics references in the movie: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/spider-man-across-the-spider-verse-easter-eggs-list-1235506838/

I think the new villain was responsible for the spider getting across, as part of the research for the Kingpin - the whole thing about him and Miles having the same origin.

Yeah, I thought that was it… but how did he happen to grab this random radioactive spider (that was meant to bite someone else)? Or was it more like – when you monkey around w/ the Spider-Verse, you’re gonna mess up something Spider-y… and this is the form it took.

My takeaway from the movie was that they explicitly grabbed the spider as part of testing the collider

the third one was represented by Donald Glover as the Prowler, who of course that's who he is in Homecoming

I assumed this was a capper to the Community S02e01 joke (which I regret to inform us all is from thirteen years ago)

Surprised Cindy Moon (Silk) wasn’t involved at all; she’s a pretty major modern Spider-character. Maybe b/c they’re developing her own thing…

the only disappointment for me was lack of Spider Pig

he was there very briefly near the end

I have a feeling we’ll have returning and new characters next time.

yeah the crew gwen was assembling at the end included all the spider-people from the first movie iirc

I was thinking that one reason they may shy away from Silk is that her story (in the comics, anyway) sort of goes against the movie's concept that every Spider-person needs to lose one or more ppl close to them as inspiration; and also that there can only apparently be one Spider-person per universe (although I don't know if the movie actually says that's a rule, or if I'm making it up). Her origin & background are also heavily tied up with the comics' version of the "Spider-Verse" and related concepts, which the movie doesn't f with.

All that said, they apparently got around the same points w/Jess Drew by just using an alternate version...

(The first two points, I mean... Jess's backstory in the comix isn't tied into the Spider-Verse, it's just weird as hell.)

Going thru the soundtrack album (Metro Boomin Presents Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse (Soundtrack from and Inspired by the Motion Picture)) is somehow a lot less pleasing than encountering/experiencing the music in the movie itself... but at least I was able to identify / add-to-playlist the track that plays throughout the opening Spider-Gwen sequence ("Self-Love," by Metro Boomin & Coi Leray). Its use was so perfect, I thought...

sounds like this thing was a nightmare to work on

According to people who worked on the sequel, Across the Spider-Verse, it’s because the working conditions required to produce such artistry are not sustainable. Multiple Across the Spider-Verse crew members — ranging from artists to production executives who have worked anywhere from five to a dozen years in the animation business — describe the process of making the the $150 million Sony project as uniquely arduous, involving a relentless kind of revisionism that compelled approximately 100 artists to flee the movie before its completion. Four of these crew members agreed to speak pseudonymously about the sprint to finish the movie three years into the sequel’s development and production, a period whose franticness they attribute to Lord’s management style — in particular, his seeming inability to conceptualize 3-D animation during the early planning stages and his preference to edit fully rendered work instead.

https://www.vulture.com/2023/06/spider-verse-animation-four-artists-on-making-the-sequel.html

also seems unlikely reading this that part two is gonna hit its release date

So apparently there are multiple (slightly) different versions of this in theatres now?

I only heard about a version with an updated sound mix (which I assumed we would’ve gotten at the late date we saw it, but some of the dialogue was pretty muddy).

I was wondering when people might start noticing… https://t.co/E6G9tUXmDE

— Andy! Leviton (@AlliterAndy) June 23, 2023

Saw this last night with the crusty sound mix. I enjoyed the film but damn if there ain’t a lot of it

Saw this yesterday, and it was great. I did feel like it dragged in places towards the end (too many action set-pieces of all things), but the emotional scenes are extremely potent.

The cliffhanger ending where Gwen's drum solo shows up on the soundtrack again was OMG, A+++++.

I wouldn't normally watch an 18-minute (or even 8-minute) YouTube video; but my kid showed me this, and it's really well done – the guy tackles a big plot element of the movie that didn't really make sense for me either, and goes for a grand No-Prize explanation that seems right on target (guess we'll find out in the third movie):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ESxmyDnTms

also seems unlikely reading this that part two is gonna hit its release date

I blame you, bg! j/k

“Spider-Man: Beyond the Spider-Verse,” the third film in the blockbuster Lord and Miller animated franchise, has been undated. It was meant to open March 29, 2024. Due to union’s work stoppage orders, the voice cast cannot complete dialogue recording in time for the spring opening, said a Sony source. A new date is expected in the coming weeks.

honestly, good, maybe they won't give the animators as many lashes this time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ90GIuawAo

Navel gazing that I'm here for.

Like it's genuinely kinda beautiful.

That was surprisingly great!

Coming to Netflix on Halloween: https://deadline.com/2023/10/spider-man-across-the-spider-verse-digital-release-date-netflix-1235575546/

Do we have a thread for discussing "Sony's Spider-Man Universe (SSU)," and specifically this new Madame Web movie? Thx

One of Dr. Morbius's many gifts to our community is making it impossible to find anything on the Jared Leto film.

Free-to-stream Spider-Verse short on YT tomorrow!

https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/the-spider-within-a-spider-verse-story-when-and-where-to-stream-the-short-film/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcGPpwFdE1Y

I still don't know what they thought, not releasing this movie in the relevant territories as Kilometers Morales.