"POTUS pulled into Trump International Golf Club at approximately 8:51 am."
http://publicpool.kinja.com/subject-pool-report-no-1-happy-2018-1821689279
― maura, Monday, 1 January 2018 14:53 (six years ago) link
"Because POTUS started his day at Mar-a-Lago, the NBC News tracker tells your pooler this is his 117th day at a Trump property as president. It is also his 91st day at a golf club as president."
― maura, Monday, 1 January 2018 14:54 (six years ago) link
he better have a wicked short game by now
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 1 January 2018 15:08 (six years ago) link
one of the best thread titles
― Joan Digimon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 1 January 2018 15:13 (six years ago) link
an index of "enemy" behavior super-relevant to digital discourse to be on the lookout for in 2018
https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2017/12/29/5-things-emboldened-far-right-trolls-2017/218935
― reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 1 January 2018 15:24 (six years ago) link
I use Social Media not because I like to, but because it is the only way to fight a VERY dishonest and unfair “press,” now often referred to as Fake News Media. Phony and non-existent “sources” are being used more often than ever. Many stories & reports a pure fiction!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 30, 2017
― Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Monday, 1 January 2018 15:33 (six years ago) link
i also enjoyed his proclamation that stocks would have dropped 50% if hillary had been elected, a figure presumably sourced from his alternate self of earth-2
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 1 January 2018 15:43 (six years ago) link
a transdimensional council of infinite Trumps *would* explain how he can square citing the opinions of "many people" with the overriding and indelible fact that he is the only person in the universe
― Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Monday, 1 January 2018 15:51 (six years ago) link
Yes--file away "Many stories & reports a pure fiction!" for possible future use.
― clemenza, Monday, 1 January 2018 16:25 (six years ago) link
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 1 January 2018 16:31 (six years ago) link
this is a good read to start off the new year:
https://lawfareblog.com/why-trumps-war-deep-state-failing%E2%80%94so-far
it looks at trump's attack on institutions in his first year, and finds that for the most part, they've held up.
...A number of factors have contributed to the edifice’s relative durability in the face of Trump’s personality and overt aspirations.The first is that Trump has been checked more effectively by institutional constraints than many commentators acknowledge. Jack Goldsmith has made this point repeatedly—and he is clearly correct. Congress, which has enabled Trump in many respects and been lackadaisical about confronting his worst predations, has nonetheless checked him in other ways. The Senate intelligence committee’s Russia investigation has been a serious undertaking, and the legislature really boxed in the president with the sanctions legislation it passed last year. Sessions is still attorney general because Republican senators made clear that they wouldn’t tolerate his removal. And while support for Mueller on Capitol Hill has ebbed of late, when Trump made noises about firing him over the summer senators of both parties reacted strongly. (Trump has more recently disclaimed any intention of removing Mueller.) Some of us would like Congress to do a great deal more than it is in the way of protecting institutions, but it’s important to appreciate that it has not, in fact, done nothing.More robust responses have come from the courts, the press and the bureaucracy. The ever-present factor of Trump’s unpopularity with the public—and the resulting political mobilization of forces to oppose him—has further reduced his room to maneuver.
The first is that Trump has been checked more effectively by institutional constraints than many commentators acknowledge. Jack Goldsmith has made this point repeatedly—and he is clearly correct. Congress, which has enabled Trump in many respects and been lackadaisical about confronting his worst predations, has nonetheless checked him in other ways. The Senate intelligence committee’s Russia investigation has been a serious undertaking, and the legislature really boxed in the president with the sanctions legislation it passed last year. Sessions is still attorney general because Republican senators made clear that they wouldn’t tolerate his removal. And while support for Mueller on Capitol Hill has ebbed of late, when Trump made noises about firing him over the summer senators of both parties reacted strongly. (Trump has more recently disclaimed any intention of removing Mueller.) Some of us would like Congress to do a great deal more than it is in the way of protecting institutions, but it’s important to appreciate that it has not, in fact, done nothing.
More robust responses have come from the courts, the press and the bureaucracy. The ever-present factor of Trump’s unpopularity with the public—and the resulting political mobilization of forces to oppose him—has further reduced his room to maneuver.
― Karl Malone, Monday, 1 January 2018 18:47 (six years ago) link
the legislature really boxed in the president with the sanctions legislation it passed last year.
But he never did what they compelled him to do, did he?
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 1 January 2018 20:31 (six years ago) link
it blocked his quid to Putin's pro quo
― El Tomboto, Monday, 1 January 2018 20:35 (six years ago) link
a fine example of congressional quidblock, if you will
― El Tomboto, Monday, 1 January 2018 20:38 (six years ago) link
ha
― sympathy for the tasmanian devil (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 1 January 2018 20:46 (six years ago) link
The first few weeks of the Trump administration raised the question of the degree to which Trump’s malevolence would be tempered by his incompetence. In the first year of the Trump presidency, the answer to that question was that incompetence did a lot of tempering.
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Monday, 1 January 2018 22:05 (six years ago) link
TAX BILL: Trump’s legislation includes provision that makes it harder for all future presidents to eliminate a multibillion-dollar tax loophole that enriches Trump’s top adviser & the former Wall St firms of Trump’s top aides https://t.co/X3zVlBmJhj— David Sirota (@davidsirota) January 1, 2018
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 16:19 (six years ago) link
a little New Year cheer
In private meetings:
Trump keeps asking for tariffs — on steel and aluminum, in particular. He wants a trade war, and has for many years. His economic and diplomatic advisers persuaded him to delay trade actions in 2017.
Those advisers recognize that the day of reckoning will come in 2018, regardless of whether economic adviser Gary Cohn and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson — who advocated restraint — stay or go.
Cohn and Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin successfully persuaded Trump not to do anything rash while tax reform was being negotiated.Trump also saw the advantage of trying to use that as leverage with China to get help on North Korea. He said yesterday in an interview with the N.Y Times: "China's hurting us very badly on trade, but I have been soft on China because the only thing more important to me than trade is war. O.K.?"
And he tweeted yesterday, in response to Chinese ships secretly delivering oil to North Korea: "Caught RED HANDED - very disappointed that China is allowing oil to go into North Korea. There will never be a friendly solution to the North Korea problem if this continues to happen!"
NEW: Look for Trump to take action on trade in the next month. It probably won't be next week, so as not to disrupt the afterglow of the tax cut. But nothing is final.
Trump still wants his wall, and tighter restrictions on legal immigration. He's a true believer on this stuff, and knows intuitively that it keeps his base stoked.
Trump seems most interested in discussing military options on North Korea in these meetings. He is surrounded by advisers who share his concern about the rogue state, but not his fixation on a military strike.
https://www.axios.com/trump-unchained-2520671086.html
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 16:27 (six years ago) link
He would save so much time money and energy yet still reap the benefits if he just tweeted that the wall has already been built and immigration and violent crime are dropping at record rates.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 16:37 (six years ago) link
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/01/us/politics/trump-businesses-regulation-economic-growth.html
Some businesses will essentially be able to get away with shortcuts that they could not have under a continuation of Obama-era policies. The coal industry, for instance, will not have to worry about a regulation, overturned by Congress and Mr. Trump, that would have protected streams from mining runoff.
cool
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 16:38 (six years ago) link
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/resolution-not-conflict/201603/can-you-spot-10-signs-childish-adult
― Evan, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 16:42 (six years ago) link
Democrats are doing nothing for DACA - just interested in politics. DACA activists and Hispanics will go hard against Dems, will start “falling in love” with Republicans and their President! We are about RESULTS.— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 2, 2018
― grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 17:27 (six years ago) link
He just...says whatever he wants, huh. I will be completely unsurprised when he finally gets around to tweeting 'I am literally a phone. Sad!' or somesuch.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 17:32 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shTC8VcsmNQ
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 17:34 (six years ago) link
oh those wacky hispanics
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 17:34 (six years ago) link
democrats in ‘interested in politics’ shocker
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 17:36 (six years ago) link
it's so sad the Democrats won't sell out all of their ideals in their entirety for a compromised deal that helps a few thousand people who have been unfairly put at risk by the GOP and their idiot president by agreeing to a set of ridiculous ideas, including a border wall and stricter immigration laws, that hurt many times more people, for some ephemeral symbolic gain even though the bulk of the political benefits go to the GOP. Not that the GOP is being political, because they are not. Not at all.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 17:45 (six years ago) link
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/01/02/donald-trump-foreign-policy-analysis-dangerous-216202
― j., Tuesday, 2 January 2018 17:58 (six years ago) link
"Caught RED HANDED - very disappointed that China is allowing oil to go into North Korea. There will never be a friendly solution to the North Korea problem if this continues to happen!"
"a friendly solution"??? fwiw, when the United States threatened an oil embargo on Japan in the 1930s, the Japanese government saw that as no different than threatening them with war, which prompted them to plan and execute the Pearl Harbor attack.
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 18:00 (six years ago) link
president biff is just mad china wont do his homework for him anymore so its time to fite
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 18:15 (six years ago) link
He gets all his negotiating advice from The Sopranos
― Evan, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 18:32 (six years ago) link
DACA activists and Hispanics will go hard against Dems, will start “falling in love” with Republicans and their President!
Fairly accurate, considering Trump's understanding of "falling in love" is "grudgingly allowing Trump to fuck you repeatedly, having no better viable option for the time being"
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 18:50 (six years ago) link
in the year....two thous^aaaaaaaand^
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 18:57 (six years ago) link
sorry, can't stop reading that quote in the Conan O'Brien "Year 2000" style, with the addition of ridiculously overemphasized finger square quotes for "falling in love"
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 18:58 (six years ago) link
Thank you @realDonaldTrump for preventing US commercial airlines from crashing in 2017. Your active participation monitoring the flight patterns and safety regulations was greatly appreciated. In 2018 could you please turn your efforts toward preventing wildfires and hurricanes? https://t.co/yYq49PzZpX— Bryan Cranston (@BryanCranston) January 2, 2018
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 19:07 (six years ago) link
orrin hatch out
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 19:10 (six years ago) link
thank you for that excellent news
― sleeve, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 19:11 (six years ago) link
Franken resignation official
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 19:15 (six years ago) link
deets, NYT
Senator Orrin G. Hatch of Utah, the longest-serving Senate Republican, plans to announce on Tuesday he will retire at the end of the year, rebuffing the pleas of President Trump to seek an eighth term and paving the way for Mitt Romney to run for the seat. Mr. Hatch intends to announce his decision Tuesday afternoon via a video announcement, according to two Republican officials briefed on the plans.
Mr. Hatch, 83, was under heavy pressure from Mr. Trump to seek re-election and block Mr. Romney, who has been harshly critical of the president. But Mr. Hatch, who emerged as one of the president’s most avid loyalists in the Senate, decided to retire after discussing the matter with his family over the holidays. The veteran senator was also facing harsh poll numbers in Utah, where 75 percent of voters indicated in a survey last fall that they did not want him to run again.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 19:16 (six years ago) link
Revenge of The Romney!
― Never Learn To Mike Love (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 19:19 (six years ago) link
escape, hatch
― Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 19:22 (six years ago) link
https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/583edb39ca6f7ee00ec2921d/master/pass/mitt%20romney%20donald%20trump%20dinner.jpg
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 19:22 (six years ago) link
Orrin should do nothing but post about weed for the rest of the year.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 19:29 (six years ago) link
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/resolution-not-conflict/201603/can-you-spot-10-signs-childish-adult🕸
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 19:35 (six years ago) link
that trump/romney pic is iconic
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 19:35 (six years ago) link
You misspelled 'nightmarish' but that's okay and here's why.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 19:37 (six years ago) link
https://punditfromanotherplanet.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/twin-peaks-trump-romney.jpg?w=590&h=393
― Chris L, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 19:39 (six years ago) link
trump's face in that pic has always reminded me of
http://www.mtv.com/shared/promoimages/bands/p/primus/video_stills/wynonas_big_brown_beaver/640x480.jpg
― Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 19:43 (six years ago) link
The prospect of Senator Mitt Romney is a big blow to Trump. It'll be yet another Republican senator who will say mean things about him, while still voting for everything on his agenda— Robert Maguire (@RobertMaguire_) January 2, 2018
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 19:43 (six years ago) link
xp -- I was thinking nightmare Aphex Twin
― WilliamC, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 19:45 (six years ago) link
EXCLUSIVE: GOP Rep. Bill Shuster to retire, spend final year working with Trump on massive infrastructure bill https://t.co/XlYyXha5jh pic.twitter.com/bmWWXwEV2f— Washington Examiner (@dcexaminer) January 2, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 19:48 (six years ago) link
what does a Utah Democrat look like, anyway?
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 19:51 (six years ago) link
POLL
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, January 2, 2018 2:35 PM (twenty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Please do
― Evan, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 19:56 (six years ago) link
Kinda like Mo Udall I'd think -- Mormon, pro-environment, wholesome family, that kinda thing
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 20:07 (six years ago) link
Or like a lesbian private detective.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackie_Biskupski
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 20:23 (six years ago) link
― Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino)
This needs to be the bottom right caption of an Onion Kelley cartoon.
― nickn, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 20:29 (six years ago) link
orrin hatch, welcome to the resistance
― global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 20:30 (six years ago) link
someone get that man a safety pin stat
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 20:31 (six years ago) link
but Hatch loves Trump – he's better than Reagan.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 20:41 (six years ago) link
Reporter: “Can you tell me the biggest single thing the president has accomplished for the American people during his time on the golf course?”Sarah Sanders: “Developing deeper and better relationships with members of Congress” pic.twitter.com/iNPitqut3x— NBC Politics (@NBCPolitics) January 2, 2018
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 21:05 (six years ago) link
In the American Embassy in Paris this morning, I noticed that they still haven’t put up a picture of Tillerson in the usual SOS spot, where the Kerry portrait had been in the better old days. As ever the staff remains courteous and efficient, showing that Trump’s effects haven’t spread this far yet.
― droit au butt (Euler), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 21:05 (six years ago) link
Here's Mitt Romney with a bird on his head :) pic.twitter.com/YpOA0cg30a— Betsy Woodruff (@woodruffbets) January 2, 2018
― j., Tuesday, 2 January 2018 21:41 (six years ago) link
here's Mitt Romney, after a rowdy weekend in Vegas.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 21:46 (six years ago) link
properly reddened
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 21:49 (six years ago) link
i'm skeptical of the times' framing of hatch quitting as substantially 'about' mitt's comeback, or that he even has one
― goole, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 21:52 (six years ago) link
who will be 3rd in line for the presidency when hatch goes?
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 21:57 (six years ago) link
? still paul ryan
― goole, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 21:58 (six years ago) link
VP, ryan, then ? i mean
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 21:58 (six years ago) link
who will be the new president pro tem
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 21:59 (six years ago) link
oh it's elected, who knows then. obviously it's unlikely to be significant, just thinking if ryan goes next year
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 22:00 (six years ago) link
http://www.4president.us/websites/2000/2000w/hatch2000.jpg
― Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 22:00 (six years ago) link
lol let me think about ordinal numbers for a second
i don't know
― goole, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 22:01 (six years ago) link
The way succession works is that the next person moves up It’s a decrementing loop, it doesn’t stop because N-X isn’t populated Sheesh
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 23:27 (six years ago) link
So if I understand you correctly, Ryan leaves and Romney automatically becomes president whether he even runs for Hatch's seat, am I right?
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 23:30 (six years ago) link
Yes, and Prince Harry is the new veep.
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 2 January 2018 23:35 (six years ago) link
no i don't mean "who is next when there's temporarily no president pro tem?" i mean "who would replace hatch as president pro tem of the senate (and be 3rd in line in the last two years of the trump administration)?"
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 00:05 (six years ago) link
they're elected but by custom it's the most senior senator from the majority party - so it'd be thad cochran.
― Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 00:10 (six years ago) link
the succession process is too complicated. i propose that whenever a new spot opens up, we just roll a 535-sided die to determine who is chosen.
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 00:13 (six years ago) link
Now that the tax bill is passed, don't be surprised if Thad retires sooner rather than later. He won't make it through his full term (up in 2020) and I doubt he'll live through the year (free tip for deadpool players).
― WilliamC, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 00:22 (six years ago) link
grassley, then
― Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 00:33 (six years ago) link
North Korean Leader Kim Jong Un just stated that the “Nuclear Button is on his desk at all times.” Will someone from his depleted and food starved regime please inform him that I too have a Nuclear Button, but it is a much bigger & more powerful one than his, and my Button works!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 3, 2018
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 00:53 (six years ago) link
Hardest button to button
― Moodles, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 00:54 (six years ago) link
Ok I’m legitimately terrified now
― frogbs, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 00:55 (six years ago) link
iirc trump's button just summons a diet coke
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 01:00 (six years ago) link
Trump sold the Nuclear codes for a double Big Mac
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 01:01 (six years ago) link
deleted?
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 01:02 (six years ago) link
oh no, still therewe’re all gonna die
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 01:05 (six years ago) link
Yeah NK is working on bigger button technology as we speak
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 01:07 (six years ago) link
buncha Trumpers walkin around a pile of rubble
"HE'S PLAYING THE LONG GAME!"
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 01:07 (six years ago) link
Gen Jack Ripper is the prez lol
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 01:09 (six years ago) link
I think, sometimes, SHS feels like a good example of a person whose unapologetic DGAFism would be celebrated if she weren't on Team Stupid Bullshit Worst POTUS Ever Fake News
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 01:09 (six years ago) link
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 01:09 (six years ago) link
"we just keep telling the President this button we got from staples is the "nuclear button", he thinks he's nuked NK 10 times already and subsequently forgets it"
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 01:11 (six years ago) link
Big money, Mr. President, no whammies!
― Moodles, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 01:16 (six years ago) link
I will be announcing THE MOST DISHONEST & CORRUPT MEDIA AWARDS OF THE YEAR on Monday at 5:00 o’clock. Subjects will cover Dishonesty & Bad Reporting in various categories from the Fake News Media. Stay tuned!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 3, 2018
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 01:17 (six years ago) link
Four minutes later. What the fuck
― frogbs, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 01:17 (six years ago) link
This mother fucker needs to be committed
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 01:18 (six years ago) link
That should keep him busy at his desk for a couple days.
― jmm, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 01:19 (six years ago) link
Is anyone else freaked out? How did it come to this
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 01:20 (six years ago) link
Trump is a creature of the media. It's one of the few things he understands better than an ordinary schlub off the street. It's more or less his whole life right now.
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 01:22 (six years ago) link
is he going to a ceremony for these or just tweet them
― treeship 2, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 01:23 (six years ago) link
I'm guessing he'll just forget
― frogbs, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 01:27 (six years ago) link
I am no longer freaked out by anything this dumbass does and that's part of the problem
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 01:29 (six years ago) link
I prefer when this asshole is on golf vacation tbh
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 01:29 (six years ago) link
What can't be cured must be endured.
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 01:30 (six years ago) link
The Commander-In-Chief of the most powerful military on earth has just tweeted that we should watch Sean Hannity at 9pm tonight.
― Zelda Zonk, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 01:31 (six years ago) link
I'm not freaked out, but it's only because I've dispensed with all hope at this point.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 01:31 (six years ago) link
this has been quite a day for him, his israel/palestine two-parter managed in its own way to be just as infuriating as the nuclear-button and fake news awards announcements. also we're all going to die.
― Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 01:32 (six years ago) link
I want him to turn THE MOST DISHONEST & CORRUPT MEDIA AWARDS into his personal take on the Kennedy Center Honors gala and brag about his amazing ratings and record-breaking attendance. Like what jmm said but I'd prefer it be a big happening, let's eat up 3-4 months with planning and tough decisions
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 01:33 (six years ago) link
tbf, everyone dying at once would solve some tricky logistical problems I've been fretting about.
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 01:34 (six years ago) link
Yep I'm not going to pay that student loan this month I think
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 01:35 (six years ago) link
I have to believe (want to believe?) this is all a reaction to him learning about something that is going to be made public soon and he's trying to divert attention from that coming story.
― brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 01:36 (six years ago) link
MADDOW GOT THE PEE TAPE
― Never Learn To Mike Love (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 01:38 (six years ago) link
The pee tape is only relevant if Putin were proved to have actively used it to blackmail Trump into committing some official act. Otherwise, it's just another stained dress from Monica's closet.
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 01:42 (six years ago) link
i don't think we're gonna die
― treeship 2, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 01:49 (six years ago) link
even kim jong un knows at this point that trump's tweets are impulsive bullshit that mean nothing
― treeship 2, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 01:50 (six years ago) link
ya we're fine guys but we def did just sink deeper into the Zone
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 02:00 (six years ago) link
lol
― Dan S, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 02:04 (six years ago) link
https://musingsonfilms.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/stalker_dune.png
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 02:07 (six years ago) link
the zone is otm. i don't think we're going to die either, or at least i think there's less than a 15% chance of it, so that's pretty good. it's just very disorienting to have this loudmouthed buffoon as a president typing these ridiculous things in all caps all the time.
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 02:16 (six years ago) link
yeah it's weird
― treeship 2, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 02:23 (six years ago) link
I really appreciate that you guys still aren’t jaded to his shit fwiw
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 02:29 (six years ago) link
what a fucking moron
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 02:34 (six years ago) link
Fox News is going to get us all killed.Left, Fox, 7:37 pmRight, Trump, 7:49 pm pic.twitter.com/Qewz7I1SRF— Matthew Gertz (@MattGertz) January 3, 2018
― Haribo Hancock (sic), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 02:37 (six years ago) link
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, January 2, 2018 7:29 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
cosign
― gbx, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 02:40 (six years ago) link
at least i think there's less than a 15% chance of it, so that's pretty good.
no, that is not pretty good, less than .0015% chance of it would be pretty good, "less than a 15% chance of it" is really pretty fucking bad
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 03:36 (six years ago) link
i seriously think that twitter doesn’t suspend trump because he doesn’t swear
― maura, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 03:48 (six years ago) link
speaking of the pee tapehttps://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/02/opinion/republicans-investigation-fusion-gps.html
― maura, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 03:49 (six years ago) link
It’s weird, I thought Trump looked at Drudge, who had the KJU button quote at the top of his site on NYE
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 03:50 (six years ago) link
xpost -- yeah that's a more than interesting read. Have to wonder what happens next when you've got them saying "Hey, we have all this evidence, y'know."
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 03:52 (six years ago) link
https://ssli.ebayimg.com/images/g/D7UAAOSwNkJZ8sEc/s-l1600.jpg
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 03:52 (six years ago) link
Ha, it really is bigger!
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 03:53 (six years ago) link
BTW, ironic that the same day he took stupid credit for preventing airline deaths in 2017, there now comes a report that coal mining deaths are surging.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 03:55 (six years ago) link
(Or at least surging by the standards of that industry)
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 03:56 (six years ago) link
That’s ... a way to give people their old jobs back in the mines
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 04:01 (six years ago) link
“yeah your neighbor’s dad, your brother and your uncle all just suffocated so if you’re up for it we have a couple shifts open”
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 04:03 (six years ago) link
Speaking of which, anyone here read this article? I knew it was bad, but not that bad.
https://qz.com/1167671/the-100-year-capitalist-experiment-that-keeps-appalachia-poor-sick-and-stuck-on-coal/?utm_source=atlfb
― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 04:06 (six years ago) link
That reminded me - this genius wants to bring back uranium mining too.
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 04:18 (six years ago) link
He should show us how it's done.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 04:52 (six years ago) link
he doesn't look at any websites
― Haribo Hancock (sic), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 04:53 (six years ago) link
the twitter app on his various phones is the only electronic interaction he has with the internet at all
XP...except Mr. Skin
― Never Learn To Mike Love (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 04:54 (six years ago) link
Ohh yeah
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 05:04 (six years ago) link
he follows Drudge on twitter guess he didn't see it
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 05:07 (six years ago) link
oh, i meant "pretty good" sarcastically, sorry
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 05:11 (six years ago) link
Attending a high school so underfunded that many teachers paid out of pocket to make copies of handouts, Mullins made the National Honors Society. But in eighth grade, an administrator had talked him out of taking the advanced-track classes, telling him his course load looked like too much work for him to handle. Not that he needed much of a push—those classes were filled with the coal-boss kids, who bullied anyone whose dad actually entered a mine.When Mullins asked his guidance counselor how to apply to college as a junior, she told him that, without having taken advanced classes, it was pointless.
― how's life, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 11:52 (six years ago) link
regarding that simpson / fritsch fusion GPS NYT op-ed maura posted ~
As we told the Senate Judiciary Committee in August, our sources said the dossier was taken so seriously because it corroborated reports the bureau had received from other sources, including one inside the Trump camp.
o_O
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 12:49 (six years ago) link
There is a lot of good stuff in that article
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 12:53 (six years ago) link
xxpost TBF, if you take out the coal-boss kids, that's representative of how a lot of kids get hamstrung by the educational system. But don't worry, Devos the Destroyer will do her damndest to ensure that all kids get hamstrung.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 13:03 (six years ago) link
if your parents can't pay for private school tuition, then you don't deserve an education
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 13:15 (six years ago) link
this overcooks the main quote in the headline but stillhttps://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/03/donald-trump-russia-steve-bannon-michael-wolff
― "Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 13:53 (six years ago) link
“They’re going to crack Don Junior like an egg on national TV,” Bannon reportedly told Wolff.
“Even if you thought that this was not treasonous, or unpatriotic, or bad shit, and I happen to think it’s all of that, you should have called the FBI immediately,” Bannon said of the meeting. “But that’s the brain trust that they had.”
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 13:58 (six years ago) link
In it, Wolff lifts the lid on a White House lurching from crisis to crisis amid internecine warfare, with even some of Trump’s closest allies expressing contempt for him.At this point is anybody really surprised that contempt is the feeling everyone in this asshole’s orbit has for him
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 13:58 (six years ago) link
Maybe he'll go like Caesar, only with a zillion knives in his back
― "Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 14:10 (six years ago) link
maybe like the caesar haircut has persisted for millennia, the combover spiral will still be sweeping the galaxy in the year 3030
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 14:11 (six years ago) link
1) That Bannon interview must have taken place minutes after he was fired.2) I can totally believe that Bannon, of all in Trump's orbit, is the only one telling the truth when he says he has nothing to do with the Russia stuff.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 14:12 (six years ago) link
It does seem increasingly likely to me that this is going to end in something like a coup. Someone(s) in the upper echelons will read a new variation on the shit Donnie Peepants tweeted last night, have a revelatory moment where consideration of their loved ones/America/humanity briefly overwhelms blind obeisance or party loyalty, and just say 'okay, yeah, enough.'
It's a comforting fairy tale, anyway.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 15:01 (six years ago) link
(NB, I am not actually any more comforted by the thought of a coup than I am by the continuation of a Trump presidency.)
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 15:03 (six years ago) link
but he's making america great again folks
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 15:10 (six years ago) link
it's important to tweet what you feel
― (the blues version in his Broadway show) (crüt), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 15:14 (six years ago) link
Someone(s) in the upper echelons will read a new variation on the shit Donnie Peepants tweeted last night, have a revelatory moment where consideration of their loved ones/America/humanity briefly overwhelms blind obedience or party loyalty
nah
― Simon H., Wednesday, 3 January 2018 15:14 (six years ago) link
As I said, I think it's a fairy tale myself, but you do have to wonder if any of these venal fuckers realize that the benefits conferred by their current positions might just be curtailed when/if the country becomes a smoking ruin.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 15:20 (six years ago) link
Predicting is a bad business nowadays, but I'm going to go out on a limb here and predict we will _not_ have any of the following:
1. Any kind of "have you no decency at long last" moment from any consequential person in current GOP leadership. (GOP never-Trumpers are, and will remain, a small and mostly ineffectual group of people who sometimes write things.)
2. Actual nuclear war, with North Korea or anyone else.
3. Actual hot civil war (by which I mean large groups of normal people taking up arms against one another).
4. A climate catastrophe that registers as a dramatic difference in everyday life for most people. (By which I do NOT mean a gradual rise in average temperatures, or a gradual increase in the frequency of severe-yet-comprehensible weather events.)
Instead of sudden cathartic cataclysm, I predict decades of this miserable incremental grinding away at everything that decent people hold dear.
Further, I doubt I will _personally_ suffer directly from most of this. Nor will most of you, frankly. It will be those already at the margins, those already downtrodden, whose lives will go from sucking most of the time to sucking all the time. We will lose too many of them, and there will be too much avoidable suffering, before sanity returns.
Happy new year!
― deez nuts roasting on an open fire (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 15:21 (six years ago) link
xxp yeah the moment for that was like a year ago. even if he literally announced a nuclear strike on Twitter the GOP would just come out of the woodwork to say "uh, that's not how it's done"
btw apparently Paul Ryan just killed the bill requiring Congressional approval to launch a nuclear missile so that's cool
― frogbs, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 15:22 (six years ago) link
YMP otm
― Simon H., Wednesday, 3 January 2018 15:24 (six years ago) link
i mean the trump admin source referred to in that fusion op-ed has to be bannon, right?
― maura, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 15:28 (six years ago) link
Was just thinking about this the other day and realizing that an excoriation of that nature would have like zero impact in post-shame America. 'YOU'RE the one with no decency at long last. Sad!'
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 15:28 (six years ago) link
It's obvious from the tone of those Bannon quotes that Wolff caught him more or less right as he was being shoved out the door, when he was in full vindictive-nerd-rage mode. These days he's back to being 100% "Hail Trump! He cannot fail, he can only be failed by fair-weather friends and Deep State cucks!"
― grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 15:34 (six years ago) link
“Even if you thought that this was not treasonous, or unpatriotic, or bad shit, and I happen to think it’s all of that, you should have called the FBI immediately,” Bannon told Wolff in reference to the Trump Tower meeting, per The Guardian.Bannon did not officially join the Trump campaign until about two months after that meeting.He told Wolff that if the Trump campaign wanted to set up such a meeting, it should take place “in a Holiday Inn in Manchester, New Hampshire, with your lawyers who meet with these people.”
Bannon did not officially join the Trump campaign until about two months after that meeting.
He told Wolff that if the Trump campaign wanted to set up such a meeting, it should take place “in a Holiday Inn in Manchester, New Hampshire, with your lawyers who meet with these people.”
just for the historical record:
https://i.imgur.com/mWg7SYD.png
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 15:43 (six years ago) link
they sell "full trump: bomb cyclone" pomade in the gift shop there iirc
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 15:48 (six years ago) link
trying to imagine Trump, Jr. meeting in the Eagle Conference Room at an Embassy Suites.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 15:56 (six years ago) link
I don't think there will be a have-you-no-shame moment, but I'm still holding out for a Ceausescu-on-the-balcony moment. Hopefully while he campaigns for the midterms. Not to be followed by a violent overthrow, just the balcony moment.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 16:25 (six years ago) link
i'm trying to think of the last time he spoke at a public event that wasn't pre-populated with his existing supporters + people paid to stand there. i know if he ever got anywhere near me i would be tempted to just scream "YOU'RE THE WORST, EVERYONE HATES YOU" etc etc at him, and i think that a lot of people feel the same kind of primordial rage when they see him.
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 16:29 (six years ago) link
a public event not in America, basically.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 16:30 (six years ago) link
a Ceausescu-on-the-balcony moment
now i reviewed a lengthy Ceausescu documentary years ago, but i don't remember this.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 16:38 (six years ago) link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceau%C8%99escu%27s_final_speech
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 16:41 (six years ago) link
Yeah, that's what I'm rooting for. A miscalculation, an event in a swing area, where the opponents outnumber the supporters. Could happen.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 16:42 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWIbCtz_Xwk&
It's really remarkable.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 16:43 (six years ago) link
xps which is why he's not coming to england
― j., Wednesday, 3 January 2018 16:43 (six years ago) link
it would happen here, too! he doesn't hold public events, right? i mean, he's still holding campaign rallies in places where they can ensure that nearly everyone in attendance is a huge supporters and/or might physically attack any dissenters. but has anyone ever had a chance to go see him speak in a neutral context, where there might be, i don't know, 70% of the crowd that viscerally dislikes him?
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 16:51 (six years ago) link
wait till the toupee tape comes out and he never shows his face in public again
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 16:55 (six years ago) link
He's already shrugged off the mushmouthed moment when his choppers came unglued as 'exhaustion' or whatever. Perhaps he'll rationalize a wig mishap as spontaneous and temporary alopecia.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 17:00 (six years ago) link
i wish i could go back to the one time i saw him in person, around 2012 or so, in the old post office pavilion in DC as i was standing in line to get takeout indian food. he walked by with a small entourage because he was getting ready to buy it so he could turn it into something really tacky. i should have told him "this whole place has terrible germs. the worst germs. you can't get rid of them. this whole city has terrible germs. stay away from here if you want clean hands!!"
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 17:00 (six years ago) link
Here's a full on Wolff selection
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/01/michael-wolff-fire-and-fury-book-donald-trump.html
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 17:00 (six years ago) link
i know if he ever got anywhere near me i would be tempted to just scream "YOU'RE THE WORST, EVERYONE HATES YOU" etc etc at him
Remember Joe Wilson?
― deez nuts roasting on an open fire (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 17:08 (six years ago) link
feel like norma desmond is the likely model for how trump would take abundant, in-his-face, unmistakable proof that he is hated, unpopular and unloved
― Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 17:22 (six years ago) link
the piece Ned posting is amazing
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 17:23 (six years ago) link
On December 14, a high-level delegation from Silicon Valley came to Trump Tower to meet him. Later that afternoon, according to a source privy to details of the conversation, Trump called Rupert Murdoch, who asked him how the meeting had gone.“Oh, great, just great,” said Trump. “These guys really need my help. Obama was not very favorable to them, too much regulation. This is really an opportunity for me to help them.”“Donald,” said Murdoch, “for eight years these guys had Obama in their pocket. They practically ran the administration. They don’t need your help.”“Take this H-1B visa issue. They really need these H-1B visas.”Murdoch suggested that taking a liberal approach to H-1B visas, which open America’s doors to select immigrants, might be hard to square with his promises to build a wall and close the borders. But Trump seemed unconcerned, assuring Murdoch, “We’ll figure it out.”“What a fucking idiot,” said Murdoch, shrugging, as he got off the phone.
“Oh, great, just great,” said Trump. “These guys really need my help. Obama was not very favorable to them, too much regulation. This is really an opportunity for me to help them.”
“Donald,” said Murdoch, “for eight years these guys had Obama in their pocket. They practically ran the administration. They don’t need your help.”
“Take this H-1B visa issue. They really need these H-1B visas.”
Murdoch suggested that taking a liberal approach to H-1B visas, which open America’s doors to select immigrants, might be hard to square with his promises to build a wall and close the borders. But Trump seemed unconcerned, assuring Murdoch, “We’ll figure it out.”
“What a fucking idiot,” said Murdoch, shrugging, as he got off the phone.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 17:27 (six years ago) link
I have wondered to what extent his references to 'your favorite president (me)' are trolling vs. an expression of reality as filtered through the putrefying mass of gray matter sloshing around in his brainpan.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 17:29 (six years ago) link
Goddammit, I'm gonna buy a book by Michael Wolff, aren't I? "She" in this passage is Ivanka:
She often described the mechanics behind it to friends: an absolutely clean pate—a contained island after scalp-reduction surgery—surrounded by a furry circle of hair around the sides and front, from which all ends are drawn up to meet in the center and then swept back and secured by a stiffening spray. The color, she would point out to comical effect, was from a product called Just for Men—the longer it was left on, the darker it got. Impatience resulted in Trump’s orange-blond hair color.
― grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 17:33 (six years ago) link
“How’s the kid?” asked Ailes, referring to Kushner.“He’s my partner,” said Bannon, his tone suggesting that if he felt otherwise, he was nevertheless determined to stay on message.“He’s had a lot of lunches with Rupert,” said a dubious Ailes.“In fact,” said Bannon, “I could use your help here.” He then spent several minutes trying to recruit Ailes to help kneecap Murdoch. Since his ouster from Fox over allegations of sexual harassment, Ailes had become only more bitter toward Murdoch. Now Murdoch was frequently jawboning the president-elect and encouraging him toward Establishment moderation. Bannon wanted Ailes to suggest to Trump, a man whose many neuroses included a horror of senility, that Murdoch might be losing it.“I’ll call him,” said Ailes. “But Trump would jump through hoops for Rupert. Like for Putin. Sucks up and shits down. I just worry about who’s jerking whose chain.”
“He’s my partner,” said Bannon, his tone suggesting that if he felt otherwise, he was nevertheless determined to stay on message.
“He’s had a lot of lunches with Rupert,” said a dubious Ailes.
“In fact,” said Bannon, “I could use your help here.” He then spent several minutes trying to recruit Ailes to help kneecap Murdoch. Since his ouster from Fox over allegations of sexual harassment, Ailes had become only more bitter toward Murdoch. Now Murdoch was frequently jawboning the president-elect and encouraging him toward Establishment moderation. Bannon wanted Ailes to suggest to Trump, a man whose many neuroses included a horror of senility, that Murdoch might be losing it.
“I’ll call him,” said Ailes. “But Trump would jump through hoops for Rupert. Like for Putin. Sucks up and shits down. I just worry about who’s jerking whose chain.”
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 17:35 (six years ago) link
“Nobody is apparently telling you this,” she told him. “But you can’t. You just can’t hire your children.”
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 17:39 (six years ago) link
How did Wolff source all of this?
― Evan, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 17:40 (six years ago) link
they all are really as dumb as they seem
― marcos, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 17:41 (six years ago) link
From the end of the article:
HOW HE GOT THE STORYThis story is adapted from Michael Wolff’s book Fire and Fury: Inside the Trump White House, to be published by Henry Holt & Co. on January 9. Wolff, who chronicles the administration from Election Day to this past October, conducted conversations and interviews over a period of 18 months with the president, most members of his senior staff, and many people to whom they in turn spoke. Shortly after Trump’s inauguration, Wolff says, he was able to take up “something like a semi-permanent seat on a couch in the West Wing” — an idea encouraged by the president himself. Because no one was in a position to either officially approve or formally deny such access, Wolff became “more a constant interloper than an invited guest.” There were no ground rules placed on his access, and he was required to make no promises about how he would report on what he witnessed.Since then, he conducted more than 200 interviews. In true Trumpian fashion, the administration’s lack of experience and disdain for political norms made for a hodgepodge of journalistic challenges. Information would be provided off-the-record or on deep background, then casually put on the record. Sources would fail to set any parameters on the use of a conversation, or would provide accounts in confidence, only to subsequently share their views widely. And the president’s own views, private as well as public, were constantly shared by others. The adaptation presented here offers a front-row view of Trump’s presidency, from his improvised transition to his first months in the Oval Office.
This story is adapted from Michael Wolff’s book Fire and Fury: Inside the Trump White House, to be published by Henry Holt & Co. on January 9. Wolff, who chronicles the administration from Election Day to this past October, conducted conversations and interviews over a period of 18 months with the president, most members of his senior staff, and many people to whom they in turn spoke. Shortly after Trump’s inauguration, Wolff says, he was able to take up “something like a semi-permanent seat on a couch in the West Wing” — an idea encouraged by the president himself. Because no one was in a position to either officially approve or formally deny such access, Wolff became “more a constant interloper than an invited guest.” There were no ground rules placed on his access, and he was required to make no promises about how he would report on what he witnessed.
Since then, he conducted more than 200 interviews. In true Trumpian fashion, the administration’s lack of experience and disdain for political norms made for a hodgepodge of journalistic challenges. Information would be provided off-the-record or on deep background, then casually put on the record. Sources would fail to set any parameters on the use of a conversation, or would provide accounts in confidence, only to subsequently share their views widely. And the president’s own views, private as well as public, were constantly shared by others. The adaptation presented here offers a front-row view of Trump’s presidency, from his improvised transition to his first months in the Oval Office.
So basically, they're all imbeciles who can't keep their fucking mouths shut, and nobody on the outside has the slightest bit of loyalty to any of them.
― grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 17:43 (six years ago) link
The headline on that excerpt pretty much underscores my own impression that Trump won counter to his own wishes and helps fuel the tiny sliver of schadenfreude I enjoy every time I think about this dumbfuck who could've been golfing every day of his golden years (instead of, y'know, 3 out of every 5 days) if he wasn't such a dumbfuck. Cold comfort, but I'll take it.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 17:49 (six years ago) link
The first thing that pops up on google for "Scalp-Reduction Surgery": https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trumps-hair-mystery-solved-he-had-scalp-reduction_us_58966965e4b061551b3dff8a (not for those with weak stomachs)
― Never Learn To Mike Love (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 17:51 (six years ago) link
his hair is like #3,067 on my list of horrible things about that person, but w/ev
― deez nuts roasting on an open fire (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 17:53 (six years ago) link
Almost everybody on the Trump team, in fact, came with the kind of messy conflicts bound to bite a president once he was in office. Michael Flynn, the retired general who served as Trump’s opening act at campaign rallies, had been told by his friends that it had not been a good idea to take $45,000 from the Russians for a speech. “Well, it would only be a problem if we won,” Flynn assured them.
incredible
― omar little, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 17:54 (six years ago) link
put it right into my veins:
He didn’t process information in any conventional sense. He didn’t read. He didn’t really even skim. Some believed that for all practical purposes he was no more than semi-literate.
― evol j, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 17:55 (six years ago) link
We will lose too many of them, and there will be too much avoidable suffering, before sanity returns.
sanity is not gonna return - the genie is out of the bottle and the america you grew up in is gone forever
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 17:56 (six years ago) link
The surgeon dropped a junior mint into the cavity
xposts
― Evan, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 17:56 (six years ago) link
Those who had worked on the campaign noticed the sudden change. Within the first week, Bannon seemed to have put away the camaraderie of Trump Tower and become far more remote, if not unreachable. “What’s up with Steve?” Kushner began to ask. “I don’t understand. We were so close.” Now that Trump had been elected, Bannon was already focused on his next goal: capturing the soul of the Trump White House.He began by going after his enemies. Few fueled his rancor toward the standard-issue Republican world as much as Rupert Murdoch — not least because Murdoch had Trump’s ear. It was one of the key elements of Bannon’s understanding of Trump: The last person the president spoke to ended up with enormous influence. Trump would brag that Murdoch was always calling him; Murdoch, for his part, would complain that he couldn’t get Trump off the phone.
He began by going after his enemies. Few fueled his rancor toward the standard-issue Republican world as much as Rupert Murdoch — not least because Murdoch had Trump’s ear. It was one of the key elements of Bannon’s understanding of Trump: The last person the president spoke to ended up with enormous influence. Trump would brag that Murdoch was always calling him; Murdoch, for his part, would complain that he couldn’t get Trump off the phone.
amazing
― omar little, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 17:57 (six years ago) link
Balancing risk against reward, both Jared and Ivanka decided to accept roles in the West Wing over the advice of almost everyone they knew. It was a joint decision by the couple, and, in some sense, a joint job. Between themselves, the two had made an earnest deal: If sometime in the future the opportunity arose, she’d be the one to run for president. The first woman president, Ivanka entertained, would not be Hillary Clinton; it would be Ivanka Trump.
jfc.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 17:58 (six years ago) link
it can also never be pointed out too often how truly stupid Steve Bannon is. only next to Trump is he anything more than a complete fucking mouthbreather. even in the Guardian excerpt he says "plain as a hair on your face" which is not the actual idiom, numbnuts.
― evol j, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 17:58 (six years ago) link
Congratulations mr Wolff on your upcoming dishonesty in media award (2017-2018 season)
― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 17:59 (six years ago) link
I've assumed for a long time that Ivanka will eventually run so that tidbit isn't even slightly surprising.
― evol j, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 18:00 (six years ago) link
After Jared and Ivanka joined them for lunch, Trump continued to cast for positive impressions of his first week. Scarborough praised the president for having invited leaders of the steel unions to the White House. At which point Jared interjected that reaching out to unions, a Democratic constituency, was Bannon’s doing, that this was “the Bannon way.”“Bannon?” said the president, jumping on his son-in-law. “That wasn’t Bannon’s idea. That was my idea. It’s the Trump way, not the Bannon way.”Kushner, going concave, retreated from the discussion.Trump, changing the topic, said to Scarborough and Brzezinski, “So what about you guys? What’s going on?” He was referencing their not-so-secret secret relationship. The couple said it was still complicated, but good.“You guys should just get married,” prodded Trump.“I can marry you! I’m an internet Unitarian minister,” Kushner, otherwise an Orthodox Jew, said suddenly.“What?” said the president. “What are you talking about? Why would they want you to marry them when I could marry them? When they could be married by the president! At Mar-a-Lago!”
“Bannon?” said the president, jumping on his son-in-law. “That wasn’t Bannon’s idea. That was my idea. It’s the Trump way, not the Bannon way.”
Kushner, going concave, retreated from the discussion.
Trump, changing the topic, said to Scarborough and Brzezinski, “So what about you guys? What’s going on?” He was referencing their not-so-secret secret relationship. The couple said it was still complicated, but good.
“You guys should just get married,” prodded Trump.
“I can marry you! I’m an internet Unitarian minister,” Kushner, otherwise an Orthodox Jew, said suddenly.
“What?” said the president. “What are you talking about? Why would they want you to marry them when I could marry them? When they could be married by the president! At Mar-a-Lago!”
― omar little, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 18:01 (six years ago) link
lmao @ "plain as a hair on your face"
On the one hand, this book is exactly the kind of deep expose of this clusterfuck that I've been hoping for and I really really really want to read it. On the other, I don't know that I need another thing that makes me feel like lying down in the street and waiting for the sweet release of death.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 18:05 (six years ago) link
It's not as much about his hair as what it was said he did because of it (which, according to the article I posted, was rape Ivana) that's upsetting.
― Never Learn To Mike Love (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 18:06 (six years ago) link
i'd like to preemptively cut off any killjoys who are no doubt about to pop into this thread to opine at the likelihood of some-to-much of this reporting being bullshit. i think after last night's button tweet we all deserve a little fanfic.
― evol j, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 18:07 (six years ago) link
well, it's wolff so the quotes are bullshit
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 18:08 (six years ago) link
"plain as the pustules on my face"
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 18:08 (six years ago) link
'Look, it's as highly-contagious as the seething bacteria farm that comprises what's left of my face.'
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 18:12 (six years ago) link
As Nate Silver points out, the excerpt never establishes that Trump didn't want to win, and also plays fast and loose with polls - only outlier polls showed Trump down 12, the worst average was 6-7, and that was after the convention bounce. Basically, it sounds about as believable picture of the Trump campaign as Shattered was of the Clinton campaign.
I'm still definitely reading it, though :)
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 18:13 (six years ago) link
fwiw
for no reason whatsoever, just remembered this passage from michelle cottle's profile of wolff in 2004 https://t.co/9JMwBbuYqT pic.twitter.com/D5GQw60AYH— brad plumer (@bradplumer) January 3, 2018
― Simon H., Wednesday, 3 January 2018 18:16 (six years ago) link
Yeah. But come on, you're reading it as well, Simon :)
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 18:24 (six years ago) link
However fictional Wolff's specifics may be, an accidental Trump win has always made much more sense to me on many many levels. Trump may have convinced himself after the fact that this is what he wanted, but I very much doubt this was how he was planning to spend the next 4-??? years prior to election night.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 18:25 (six years ago) link
I honestly don't find the inner workings of the Trump White House all that fascinating xp
― Simon H., Wednesday, 3 January 2018 18:25 (six years ago) link
xpost
i was about to say, certain parts like
sound like something written by robert reich
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 18:30 (six years ago) link
Old Lunch otm. It's hardly believable Trump willingly chose the route of having to divert and divest his own business emporium (unless, as stated, he was clueless yet again and didn't even know this was required). Not that he's really divesting or letting go but ykwim
I find it entirely believable however that they just let Wolff in one day, and he became the hobo-lives-in-airport-for-a-year, where he became one of the 'gang' with no one even questioning it.
― ♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 18:31 (six years ago) link
yeah, this is why the russia stuff makes way more sense to me as a bunch of career grifters looking to cash in however they can before their meal ticket gets his ass handed to him rather than putin's grand masterplan to undermine american democracy (xp to old lunch)
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 18:31 (six years ago) link
JUST IN: President Trump statement on Steve Bannon: "When he was fired, he not only lost his job, he lost his mind." pic.twitter.com/LxZoBI5Ng4— NBC News (@NBCNews) January 3, 2018
― Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 18:34 (six years ago) link
putin's grand masterplan to undermine american democracy haha well he didn't have to exert much effort to do what he did , these guys were willing miscreants .
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 18:35 (six years ago) link
oh damn lol xp
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 18:37 (six years ago) link
Huh, didn't realize Bannon was responsible for making Sessions the AG, Mr. President.
What a bugfuck lunatic.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 18:37 (six years ago) link
OK, so now we reverse engineer Trump's statement based on the "every word is an obvious lie and literally the opposite of the truth" theory that's served us so well the last 13 months and...
― grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 18:38 (six years ago) link
Can't wait to see how this low-rent Vader vs. Palpatine battle turns out. Hopefully very much like the original.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 18:41 (six years ago) link
I'd put all of my worldly possessions in hock for front-row seats to watch Bannon throw Trump down a shaft just before croaking himself.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 18:42 (six years ago) link
bannon already looks like vader when he takes his helmet off tbf
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 18:43 (six years ago) link
wowowow
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 18:46 (six years ago) link
Force-choke Trump with coke.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 18:47 (six years ago) link
this white house had a lot of coffee boys didn't it?
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 18:50 (six years ago) link
i mean none of these people did anything , it was just Trump and his huge brain making it all happen
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 18:51 (six years ago) link
i'm still incredulous that there isn't anyone in the approval chain who just says "no"/gets fired over balls-out-bonkers statements like this one
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 18:53 (six years ago) link
whatever the truth, high five to Wolff for eliciting that response
― omar little, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 18:54 (six years ago) link
Lol at that statement. Btw, they definitely called Trump for comments yesterday, and that's why he ranted even more than usual.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 19:05 (six years ago) link
i wonder if anyone's still editing these statements? that last one seemed to be directly from trump.
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 19:08 (six years ago) link
bannon has openly speculated about running for office himself iirc.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 19:09 (six years ago) link
xpost whoops big hoos made the same point! crazy.
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 19:09 (six years ago) link
that + whatever he knows makes him dangerous, but probably this is kabuki to drive breitbart page impressions and to feed trump's ego. he'll be back in with trump soon.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 19:10 (six years ago) link
My god.
pic.twitter.com/683UJFlKL4— Team Mitch (@Team_Mitch) January 3, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 19:17 (six years ago) link
Team McConnell so happy it is putting emojis in press releases pic.twitter.com/PMVcKUdDX9— Brent Scher (@BrentScher) January 3, 2018
Breitbart commenter: "This is just two alpha-males, going at it."— Will Sommer (@willsommer) January 3, 2018
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 19:18 (six years ago) link
Wow, Just looked at the comments section on Breitbart. Wow. When Bannon has lost Breitbart, he’s left with . . . umm, nothing.— Donald Trump Jr. (@DonaldJTrumpJr) January 3, 2018
haw haw
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 19:20 (six years ago) link
"This is just two alpha-males, going at it."― mookieproof, Wednesday, January 3, 2018 11:18 AM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― mookieproof, Wednesday, January 3, 2018 11:18 AM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
brief description on an xtube video too iirc
― omar little, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 19:22 (six years ago) link
where is the Mooch when we need him most ?
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 19:23 (six years ago) link
definitely not face-down in a giant pile of cocaine iirc
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 19:24 (six years ago) link
definitely not trying to suck his own cock
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 19:25 (six years ago) link
I said what I said in the Summer take out the expletives and pay closer attention. Btw, @realDonaldTrump is doing a great job.— Anthony Scaramucci (@Scaramucci) January 3, 2018
― Number None, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 19:25 (six years ago) link
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 19:26 (six years ago) link
the mooch abides
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 19:27 (six years ago) link
I'm absolutely certain this point has been made before, but Trump legitimately sees no difference between being POTUS and being a WWE heel, does he.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 19:28 (six years ago) link
unfortunately, none of this matters
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 19:29 (six years ago) link
Oh the pettiness of it all is the key.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 19:29 (six years ago) link
Well, when he was participating in pro wrestling he was the most important and interesting person in the world. Now he is President and he is the most important and interesting person in the world. So really the two jobs are the same, and demand the same skills.
― Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 19:30 (six years ago) link
i wonder if anyone's still editing these statements? that last one seemed to be directly from trump.Trump cannot compose short, coherent sentences like that.
― Haribo Hancock (sic), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 19:30 (six years ago) link
no shit but dont try and take this away from us with reason alfred
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 19:30 (six years ago) link
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 19:31 (six years ago) link
Trump cannot compose short, coherent sentences like that.
― Haribo Hancock (sic), Wednesday, January 3, 2018 2:30 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
correct use of "whom" is a real giveaway too
― rob, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 19:36 (six years ago) link
i'm not listening to it to check but...
Trump’s comments about Bannon today are almost word for word what @benshapiro said about Bannon on @Jamie_Weinstein’s podcast last week.— Matt Lewis (@mattklewis) January 3, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 19:38 (six years ago) link
I mean the practical effect is it fractures a perceived unified front where 'the GOP' as defined downplays or actively rails against claims of collusion, Mueller's work etc. Now someone who was working with Trump out and in of the White House for a year is one record as saying 'nah, something's there.' There's already a rapid closing of ranks in response but even so -- and, as I've thought about more and more this morning, it's...interesting that Bannon seems terribly unworried about this probe, which theoretically could affect him. Makes me wonder a bit -- saw a claim earlier that he's been mentioned nowhere in Mueller's team's public interview schedule. By now you'd think they would have talked to him, and maybe they have...
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 19:39 (six years ago) link
It certainly will make the Nunes and Meadows types in the House to think twice about criticizing Mueller. After all, they had their eye firmly on a base besotted with Bannon/Breitbart.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 19:42 (six years ago) link
where's the tax returns?
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 19:48 (six years ago) link
I lol'd hard at Bannon's comment (from the book I think) that he wont testify, wont get a lawyer. Yeah I dont think you have a choice in the matter my dude.
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 19:49 (six years ago) link
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), 3. januar 2018 20:29 (fifteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
If Bannon loses his followers it could mean a lot for senate primaries.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 19:49 (six years ago) link
Trump condensed:My senior policy advisor? I had nothing to do with him.My campaign chairman? Only with me for a short time.My national security advisor? A liar. My foreign policy advisor? He was just a coffee boy.Don Jr? Um ... fake news!— Adam Schiff (@RepAdamSchiff) January 3, 2018
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 19:50 (six years ago) link
Andrew Breitbart would be ashamed of the division and lies Steve Bannon is spreading!— Donald Trump Jr. (@DonaldJTrumpJr) January 3, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 19:50 (six years ago) link
― Frederik B, Wednesday, January 3, 2018 7:49 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ya his PAC planning to boost little trumps & moore-likes in primaries has been one of the more frightening developments for me out of all this & if the redhats divide over this i'll breathe a sigh of relief
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 19:54 (six years ago) link
xpost Okay, that one's flat-out hilarious. And 'ashamed'! A concept about which no one involved or named has any understanding!
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 19:55 (six years ago) link
denial ain't just a river of grievances
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 20:03 (six years ago) link
i do sometimes wonder what the cultural landscape of the us would be like if andrew beetbort hadn’t been assassinated by the deep state killed by an insatiable appetite for cocaine and fistfuls of lard
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 20:03 (six years ago) link
basically identical imo
― Simon H., Wednesday, 3 January 2018 20:04 (six years ago) link
yeah prolly :(
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 20:04 (six years ago) link
actually, it would be a little worse, since andrew breitbart would still be alive
guys come on I'm still poring over the Fusion GPS story
― frogbs, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 20:05 (six years ago) link
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, 3. januar 2018 20:54 (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I mean, there's a reason Mitch McConnell is jubilant, and I'm guessing the DNC is slightly disappointed. The road to a blue senate probably got a bit harder. But Trumpism died a while back, and if Bannonism goes as well, the worst might be over. Time to sit down, make the plan to do single payer as quickly as possible in 21.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 20:06 (six years ago) link
andrew beetbort lives on in the artery-hardened hearts of a nation
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 20:06 (six years ago) link
Something tells me this isn't going to work out well for Manafort
Manafort sues Robert Mueller, Rod Rosenstein and the USDOJ in federal district court, alleging Mueller has overstepped his authority. pic.twitter.com/1A1iSrVXZj— Byron Tau (@ByronTau) January 3, 2018
― Moodles, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 20:06 (six years ago) link
i want bannon himself (via the mercers, are they still tight?) to primary trump
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 20:07 (six years ago) link
But Trumpism died a while back
interested in what takes you to this conclusion--the poll numbers dropping to just the die-hards?
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 20:09 (six years ago) link
Heard on the radio that the Manafort thing is so totally stupid that his attorney should be fined. Prosecutors, let alone public servant prosecutors, are apparently immune from lawsuits like that, especially from a current defendant in a criminal trial.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 20:11 (six years ago) link
Trumpism itself is a byproduct of ever-increasing alienation and disenfranchisement. Without detectable material improvements in peoples' lives, it will be replaced (if, indeed, it's actually gone anywhere) with something similar or worse
― Simon H., Wednesday, 3 January 2018 20:14 (six years ago) link
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, 3. januar 2018 21:09 (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
It's something I began to think because of a book by a Danish theorist, analyzing Trump as an especially American gaudy form of fascism. But then everything that he wrote about had been dormant for a while. Remember back when Trump used to travel around and announce he saved American jobs all over? Yeah, he stopped doing that a while back. And then I think it finally ended when he endorsed Luther Strange and lost. It just seemed quite obvious that something else was going on, and Trump was following, rather than leading it. Bannon has tried explicitly to lead it, but he seems to be failing hard right now.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 20:18 (six years ago) link
There's no movement, just a bunch of competing chaos agents.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 20:19 (six years ago) link
and the white suburban parents & their sons on campus, casting around for their standard bearer
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 20:22 (six years ago) link
+ racism.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 20:22 (six years ago) link
BTW, the scariest thing about potential President Ivanka is that she's, like, 30, and rich as shit, so she could run again and again forever until eventually maybe she lucks into winning, like her dad.
I got in an argument with a devil's advocate minded friend about whether or not Trump deserves credit for winning. And I was like, no, the fucker got lucky, there is no sign any of his achievements were intentional, and that goes for his shitty business as well. Yeah, he made money, but he's no Warren Buffet or Carl Ichan style evil genius. The only people who admire Trump are people who look and act like his son. I can't imagine anyone serious takes him seriously.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 20:23 (six years ago) link
i don't think he made money. he inherited a fortune and went bankrupt how many times? that's the kicker our "conservative" friends never seem to figure
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 20:24 (six years ago) link
The possibility of enduring President Ivanka Trump makes me more inclined to support her dad in starting WWIII.
― Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 20:25 (six years ago) link
Was just reading this old Fortune article:
http://fortune.com/2015/08/20/donald-trump-index-funds/
Basically, were he an astute businessman he would be worth a lot more, a la his ostensible billionaire peers. As it is he's mostly just lazy and lucky and good at branding, which makes him about as clever a businessman as any celebrity chump with a racket, whether Dr. Phil or Deepak Chopra or whomever.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 20:27 (six years ago) link
Most con men have to hustle widows for their pension checks and don't have the benefit of millions of dollars of startup capital.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 20:30 (six years ago) link
he's genuine affirmative action in action. how many people have made their living apologizing for donald trump and cleaning up his messes?
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 20:32 (six years ago) link
I know there's so much more to come, but this has the feel of an endgame: two allies and their respective factions turning on each other, everybody pointing fingers, dropping their coordinated "there's nothing to see here" messaging.
There's been a slight shift in how the media have been covering the story, too, in the wake of the Fusion GPS piece and the George Papadopoulos expose. The tone is less "if there was collusion" and more "how deep was the collusion." Bannon casting key players in the administration as guilty should only further fuel that.
― Evan R, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 20:34 (six years ago) link
Press briefing in background, a few folks seems to be openly mocking her, about it being Infrastructure Week, about the Bad Media Awards or whatever.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 20:35 (six years ago) link
Poor Goebbelina.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 20:37 (six years ago) link
the blaze is obviously nuts, but this has a ring of truth
http://www.theblaze.com/news/2018/01/03/commentary-steve-bannon-understands-the-truth-about-the-mueller-probe-and-the-media-still-dont
In other words, the family and business enterprises of the president of the United States owe over half a billion dollars to a financial institution that is currently under investigation by the United States Department of Justice for, among other things, allegedly laundering money for the Russian mob. Not to belabor the obvious, but the entirety of the Department of Justice reports directly to the president.When the DOJ finishes this investigation, the result of that investigation — especially if it lets Deutsche Bank off with a slap on the wrist — will be placed under intense scrutiny.If Democrats retake the House in 2018, the scrutiny will likely take the form of official committee investigations into Trump’s ties with Deutsche Bank that might well make impeachment politically palatable in a way that “Russian collusion” has not. And if it can be proven that Trump or his family or companies were involved, however indirectly, with the money laundering that Deutsche Bank is accused of, it’s Katy bar the door.There’s growing evidence that Bannon is exactly right about what Mueller is doing with his probe. The bits about Russian collusion are excellent fodder for the media that is obsessed with the idea that the election was somehow taken away from Hillary Clinton unfairly.Substantively, though, the real concern for Trump is and always has been his entanglement with the troubled bank, which is why the one actual public threat he has made to fire Mueller centered around any potential investigation into his personal or family finances.
When the DOJ finishes this investigation, the result of that investigation — especially if it lets Deutsche Bank off with a slap on the wrist — will be placed under intense scrutiny.
If Democrats retake the House in 2018, the scrutiny will likely take the form of official committee investigations into Trump’s ties with Deutsche Bank that might well make impeachment politically palatable in a way that “Russian collusion” has not. And if it can be proven that Trump or his family or companies were involved, however indirectly, with the money laundering that Deutsche Bank is accused of, it’s Katy bar the door.
There’s growing evidence that Bannon is exactly right about what Mueller is doing with his probe. The bits about Russian collusion are excellent fodder for the media that is obsessed with the idea that the election was somehow taken away from Hillary Clinton unfairly.
Substantively, though, the real concern for Trump is and always has been his entanglement with the troubled bank, which is why the one actual public threat he has made to fire Mueller centered around any potential investigation into his personal or family finances.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 20:40 (six years ago) link
good ol' The Blaze. i wonder if glenn beck regrets his decision to try to pivot to the left just before the 2016 election?
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 20:46 (six years ago) link
bears repeating: jim jordan (R-OH) is the worst
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 20:48 (six years ago) link
from fire and fury to fire at hillary's :(
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/fire-breaks-bill-hillary-clinton-westchester-home-article-1.3735597
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 21:05 (six years ago) link
how long til someone comes up w/a "they were burning pizzagate evidence" theory
― omar little, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 21:11 (six years ago) link
'theory'
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 21:12 (six years ago) link
yeah the bleach wasn't working so they burned the emails
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 21:14 (six years ago) link
And I said "What about fire at Hillary's?"You said "I think they were burning the files"
― Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 21:15 (six years ago) link
What color was the smoke?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 21:16 (six years ago) link
BREAKING : Are they destroying evidence?#QAnon #BREAKING#LockThemAllUp #DrainTheSwamp#MAGA #WednesdayWisdom #BreadCrumbs #FollowTheWhiteRabbit #Pizzagate https://t.co/1X8M3BYjWU— 🇺🇸MAGAChick🐥🇺🇸 (@michellechick79) January 3, 2018
― omar little, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 21:18 (six years ago) link
good luck usa
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 21:18 (six years ago) link
“Katy bar the door”?
― Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 21:26 (six years ago) link
"She Caught The Katy, And Left Me With A Mueller To Indict"
― Never Learn To Mike Love (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 21:29 (six years ago) link
I looked up Katy Bar the Door, and it is metal as fuck:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_Douglas
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 21:31 (six years ago) link
katy hodor
― gbx, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 21:42 (six years ago) link
My comedy improv teacher (30+ years ago) used "Katy, bar the door!" when he wanted to evoke archaic, rural times.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 22:11 (six years ago) link
When I'm away for a few hours and see there are 200 new answers, I think NOW WHAT? And usually, not much.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 22:12 (six years ago) link
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― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 22:20 (six years ago) link
"Morbs, bar the door!"
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 22:23 (six years ago) link
morbs, dennistheperrin
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 22:29 (six years ago) link
he actually attended some of those improv classes
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 22:32 (six years ago) link
remember how less than 24 hours ago the President of the United States threatened to start a catastrophic nuclear war on Twitter
― frogbs, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 22:32 (six years ago) link
If the war itself was on Twitter and the tweets were nuclear-strength then he was almost right.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 22:36 (six years ago) link
Meanwhile...
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/367314-rosenstein-meeting-with-paul-ryan-about-russia-investigation#.Wk1ThjR0Qi0.twitter
Key bits: Rosenstein requested the meeting, Wray was invited but not seen there. Hm.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 22:38 (six years ago) link
Elsewhere, Chuck Grassley IS Ian McKellen, sorta:
Sen. Chuck Grassley is wearing a hat in the Senate subway on his way to votes — a new look pic.twitter.com/sWvWBYjmYT— Haley Byrd (@byrdinator) January 3, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 22:40 (six years ago) link
looks like an old queen
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 22:41 (six years ago) link
what stage of capitalism is it where brands imitate threats of nuclear war to sell fried chicken pic.twitter.com/Fsu8xvi8ng— Kelsey D. Atherton (@AthertonKD) January 3, 2018
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 22:43 (six years ago) link
an improv sketch: trump and bannon acting out the german country bench scene from my best fiend where werner laughingly recalls making up anti-werner shit talk with kinksi to help kinski's memoir all i need is love sell
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 22:56 (six years ago) link
Also seeing reports that Wray is definitely in the Rosenstein/Ryan meeting, if it's still going on.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 23:09 (six years ago) link
thanks to C. Grisso/McCain for the Taj Mahal reference btw
― deez nuts roasting on an open fire (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 23:13 (six years ago) link
The Ryan meeting is Bad, right?
― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 23:30 (six years ago) link
For Trump? I can imagine it going lots of ways. But one way is them meeting with Ryan and saying for all the protestations, there's a lot of bad stuff coming down the pipe, so you better prepare yourself.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 23:34 (six years ago) link
Of course, I don't see why they would give him a heads-up about that, or even what they might expect Ryan to do about any of this stuff. Another possibility is it involved a member of the House. I can think of a couple of conspicuous figures tied up in this who might have a bullseye on their back.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 23:35 (six years ago) link
Hm hm hm
A single source familiar with the meeting tells us:Surprise meeting tonight between Deputy Atty General Rod Rosenstein and House Speaker Paul Ryan was requested by Rosenstein to discuss matters related to Congressman Devin Nunes and the Russia investigation.— Rachel Maddow MSNBC (@maddow) January 3, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 23:38 (six years ago) link
not quite a whomp whomp whomp?
― Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 23:42 (six years ago) link
Deputy AG, FBI director make unannounced visit to Paul Ryan's office -source familiar w/ meeting said it had to do w. Nunes doc request https://t.co/NgmFszz9OS @politico by @kyledcheney— Darren Samuelsohn (@dsamuelsohn) January 3, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 23:44 (six years ago) link
Said doc request, it should be noted, was made over the summer, so whatever it is isn't something new.
it is truly bonkers that really not a single day has gone by in the last year-and-a-half without some batshit thing going down.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 23:50 (six years ago) link
Whoa -- Kobach's little sham group has been dissolved?
White House statement: "Rather than engage in endless legal battles at taxpayer expense, today I signed an executive order to dissolve the Commission [on Election Integrity]"— Josh Eidelson (@josheidelson) January 3, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 23:51 (six years ago) link
more good news if true
― sleeve, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 23:54 (six years ago) link
It's legit, being reported elsewhere.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 23:56 (six years ago) link
Full statement is a roffle
Trump is disbanding his voter fraud commission pic.twitter.com/Gymb2wUU4Q— Stefan Becket (@becket) January 3, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 23:57 (six years ago) link
nice
― sleeve, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 23:57 (six years ago) link
Dude looks like Ivor Cutler up there
Xposts fifth time
― Mark G, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 23:58 (six years ago) link
sweet!
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 23:58 (six years ago) link
In Wolff book, Bannon quoted after Trump denounced Sessions to NYT in July: "If he fires Mueller it just brings impeachment quicker. Why not, let's do it. Let's get it on. And I am going to go in and save him? He's Donald Trump"— Jonathan Lemire (@JonLemire) January 3, 2018
And Bannon, quoted about Mueller hiring Andrew Weissmann: "You've got the LeBron James of money laundering investigations on you, Jarvanka. My a---hole just got so tight!"— Jonathan Lemire (@JonLemire) January 3, 2018
― Number None, Thursday, 4 January 2018 00:02 (six years ago) link
@kalebhorton: Michael Wolff's book on Trump has the distinct and specific odor of wish-fulfillment pornography manufactured by someone who wants to make a million dollars very quickly and doesn't care how many lies it takes to get there.
this...feels right
― gbx, Thursday, 4 January 2018 00:05 (six years ago) link
I'm not sure he claim that he has any control over any asshole, including his own.
― Evan, Thursday, 4 January 2018 00:05 (six years ago) link
yeah, starting to seem that way xpost
― Number None, Thursday, 4 January 2018 00:06 (six years ago) link
I think it's clear that Bannon's quotes are from the heart, and that he's not the only one saying the book got their quotes right:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-enraged-personally-dictates-scathing-denouncement-of-one-time-top-strategist-steve-bannon
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 January 2018 00:11 (six years ago) link
My a---hole just got so tight!"
omg dying
― the late great, Thursday, 4 January 2018 00:11 (six years ago) link
I think it's clear that Bannon's quotes are from the heart
i think they were from somewhere else
― Number None, Thursday, 4 January 2018 00:14 (six years ago) link
The...Shart?
― Never Learn To Mike Love (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 4 January 2018 00:20 (six years ago) link
I am so entertained
Michael Grimm — whose Congressional run, so far, has mostly consisted of a widely shared photo of him shaking Steve Bannon’s hand — just denounced Bannon in a statement. "I fully support our Commander in Chief."— Michael M. Grynbaum (@grynbaum) January 4, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 January 2018 00:24 (six years ago) link
Anyway, I think this sums it up
the core dilemma here is that while Wolff doesn’t seem to do much to support his account of events & scorching hot quotes, both the Trump camp & Bannon seem to be behaving as if it’s legit https://t.co/3yT2Olrbil— Kilgore Trout (@KT_So_It_Goes) January 3, 2018
the other thing is everyone in the Trump camp seems to want to dismiss everything as a lie but they don’t know which accounts and quotes are safe to dismiss so they’re just very broad & subsequently lousy denials— Kilgore Trout (@KT_So_It_Goes) January 3, 2018
I’m pretty sure some of that stuff is just wholesale horseshit but I’m also pretty sure a lot of it isn’t - and I don’t think the Trump team knows how to sort that out either— Kilgore Trout (@KT_So_It_Goes) January 3, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 January 2018 00:31 (six years ago) link
And this is of interest...
FWIW: The several times I saw Wolff at the White House, he was cleared-in with a blue 'appointment" badge allowing West Wing access, rather than a gray "press" badge.— Zeke Miller (@ZekeJMiller) January 3, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 January 2018 00:40 (six years ago) link
Sanders claimed he was always there at the invitation of Bannon.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 January 2018 00:59 (six years ago) link
if you're sucking your own cock it's best to relax, not tighten, your asshole btw
(erm, so I've heard. From a friend.)
― deez nuts roasting on an open fire (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 4 January 2018 01:08 (six years ago) link
Getcha hot takes here
Wouldn’t it be funny if Trump & Bannon cooked this one up together as a decoy for some bombshell policy initiative?— Dinesh D'Souza (@DineshDSouza) January 3, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 January 2018 01:35 (six years ago) link
Fun times amidst the maggots.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/03/bannon-endorsement-trump-republicans-263753
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 January 2018 01:37 (six years ago) link
read that as 'coked this one up'
― mookieproof, Thursday, 4 January 2018 01:42 (six years ago) link
Lol
One Republican senator joined many Democrats at a private congressional briefing about Trump’s mental health by a Yale psychiatrist, @anniekarni reports https://t.co/M7pjx8pfPp— Philip Rucker (@PhilipRucker) January 4, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 4 January 2018 02:06 (six years ago) link
Apparently they met with Ryan to get reassurance that the DOJ wouldn't be refunded if they didn't conply5with Nunes' document request.
― Moodles, Thursday, 4 January 2018 02:35 (six years ago) link
*comply with
...defunded?
― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 4 January 2018 02:38 (six years ago) link
Apparently that's something congress can do
― Moodles, Thursday, 4 January 2018 02:40 (six years ago) link
The Congress has the power to simply not fund an institution that is not being obedient. The DOJ has to be confronted, at some point, with reality that Congress is not going to tolerate being kept in the dark and being told lies. https://t.co/CaTaO6011e pic.twitter.com/sBUsC6AN1u— Newt Gingrich (@newtgingrich) January 4, 2018
― Moodles, Thursday, 4 January 2018 02:41 (six years ago) link
Newt, with Jeffersonian wisdom.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 January 2018 02:43 (six years ago) link
what about the refunding though
― Haribo Hancock (sic), Thursday, 4 January 2018 02:44 (six years ago) link
I don't think this would actually happen, and it would backfire massively if it did, but Rosenstein was apparently concerned enough to seek reassurances from Ryan.
― Moodles, Thursday, 4 January 2018 02:46 (six years ago) link
This @jdawsey1/@AshleyRParker WaPo piece says Bannon has alienated Rebekah Mercer https://t.co/jlscrwPfuh pic.twitter.com/Zgz5kNGw9a— Oliver Darcy (@oliverdarcy) January 4, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 January 2018 02:54 (six years ago) link
ya i was saying you said re-funded
― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 4 January 2018 02:56 (six years ago) link
RIP bannon's presidential run
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 4 January 2018 03:18 (six years ago) link
RIP big ban
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 4 January 2018 03:32 (six years ago) link
Can we finally stop hearing about this shithead now?
― porg and bess (voodoo chili), Thursday, 4 January 2018 03:35 (six years ago) link
i think we're going to be hearing a lot more from him
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 4 January 2018 03:36 (six years ago) link
although, i guess i was thinking of it in terms of trump v bannon. but i suppose it's more like trump + FOX v bannon, which does tilt the scales against him a bit.
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 4 January 2018 03:39 (six years ago) link
BREAKING - Attorneys for President Trump send Steve Bannon a cease and desist letter citing the non disclosure agreement he signed during the campaign https://t.co/jDybwQenJ2— John Santucci (@JTSantucci) January 4, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 January 2018 03:43 (six years ago) link
i've always been curious about what would happen if someone decided to say To hell with the NDA....
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 4 January 2018 03:48 (six years ago) link
The funny thing is that it’s kinda aimed at the wrong person. It’s Wolff’s work that caused all this.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 January 2018 03:51 (six years ago) link
Trump devours you like warm cottage cheese.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 January 2018 03:51 (six years ago) link
Here's where we see if blusterbear Bannon turns tail or goes ham.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 January 2018 03:58 (six years ago) link
i finally got around to reading the rest of the Wolff piece a few minutes ago. it does irritate me when people put paraphrased remarks within quotation marks, but i agree with the interpretation that it's probably mostly on the mark, given that no one from the white house has really disputed any specific parts of it (that i've seen, at least).
there's these really damning passages, like:
As soon as the campaign team had stepped into the White House, Walsh saw, it had gone from managing Trump to the expectation of being managed by him. Yet the president, while proposing the most radical departure from governing and policy norms in several generations, had few specific ideas about how to turn his themes and vitriol into policy. And making suggestions to him was deeply complicated. Here, arguably, was the central issue of the Trump presidency, informing every aspect of Trumpian policy and leadership: He didn’t process information in any conventional sense. He didn’t read. He didn’t really even skim. Some believed that for all practical purposes he was no more than semi-literate. He trusted his own expertise — no matter how paltry or irrelevant — more than anyone else’s. He was often confident, but he was just as often paralyzed, less a savant than a figure of sputtering and dangerous insecurities, whose instinctive response was to lash out and behave as if his gut, however confused, was in fact in some clear and forceful way telling him what to do. It was, said Walsh, “like trying to figure out what a child wants.”
and what's amazing is that i've never really seen anyone really dispute this characterization of trump, either. even his defenders. this dude does not read. he doesn't like the big words. he doesn't pay attention. he gets distracted. some people close to him call him childish, outright, and most of the others don't say anything or brag about how good he is at sinking putts from 30 feet away. but no one really chimes in with an anecdote about how trump is actually really interested in a certain policy, or the good idea that he had that one time in that one meeting, or that he really likes kafka or something. there's just nothing there.
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 4 January 2018 03:58 (six years ago) link
Couldn't such an NDA-related lawsuit claiming slander open the door for some sort of discovery proceedings? That is, it's not slander if it's true, which would lead to all sorts of dirt aired in public. Right?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 January 2018 04:01 (six years ago) link
IIRC, that's precisely how a lot of Church of Scientology dirt wound up on the record.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Thursday, 4 January 2018 04:08 (six years ago) link
Yeah. They got a lot of crazy stuff from L. Ron's suppressed memoir, so to prove slander they would have had to produce it and other documents. Which no way were they going to do.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 January 2018 04:11 (six years ago) link
I mean, every move the WH has done today has been to basically shout at the world "Please look at it further and take it seriously." Wolff must not believe his luck at this point.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 January 2018 04:14 (six years ago) link
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 4, 2018
― Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 4 January 2018 04:55 (six years ago) link
Yep Twitter Trump has been boring today - no threatening to nuke the Palestinians or anything. Sad.
― Zelda Zonk, Thursday, 4 January 2018 04:57 (six years ago) link
xp you got it, big guy
― j., Thursday, 4 January 2018 04:57 (six years ago) link
I'm probably late to this interpretation but lately I'm getting a strong "SIEG HEIL!" vibe from the MAGA! exhortations.
― attention vampire (MatthewK), Thursday, 4 January 2018 05:08 (six years ago) link
And Bannon is the Ernst Rohm of the WH administration
― Zelda Zonk, Thursday, 4 January 2018 05:15 (six years ago) link
of note:
Changes to Presidential Job Approval Tracking and Reporting
Beginning in 2018, Gallup will start updating presidential job approval on a weekly basis, rather than on a daily basis. We are making this change largely because the source for these daily data, the Gallup Daily tracking program -- made possible by a client-supported commitment to daily interviewing on a wide variety of well-being metrics -- is shifting from telephone surveys to reporting mail surveys on a monthly basis.Gallup remains committed to tracking presidential approval using probability-based, telephone interviewing, but is reducing the sample size from 3,500 to 1,500 U.S. adults per week. As a result, Gallup will aggregate and report presidential job approval each week, rather than daily, beginning on Jan. 8 at 1 p.m. ET. We will continue to report subgroup differences for presidential job approval using the large sample sizes collected each month.The Gallup Poll Social Series surveys conducted each month, other standalone surveys, and periodic updates of other Gallup trends and measures throughout the year will continue as they have with no change.
Gallup remains committed to tracking presidential approval using probability-based, telephone interviewing, but is reducing the sample size from 3,500 to 1,500 U.S. adults per week. As a result, Gallup will aggregate and report presidential job approval each week, rather than daily, beginning on Jan. 8 at 1 p.m. ET. We will continue to report subgroup differences for presidential job approval using the large sample sizes collected each month.
The Gallup Poll Social Series surveys conducted each month, other standalone surveys, and periodic updates of other Gallup trends and measures throughout the year will continue as they have with no change.
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 4 January 2018 06:24 (six years ago) link
xp sic semper Strasseris
― But doctor, I am Camille Paglia (Bananaman Begins), Thursday, 4 January 2018 11:24 (six years ago) link
Wolff has the explosive quotes taped, so the access journos newly worried abt the sanctity of journalism can relaxhttps://t.co/CfBrE6Kksf— Heidi N Moore (@moorehn) January 4, 2018
― "Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Thursday, 4 January 2018 12:09 (six years ago) link
More golden quotes from the Wolff book here: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/michael-wolff-my-insane-year-inside-trumps-white-house-1071504
"There was more: Everybody was painfully aware of the increasing pace of his repetitions. It used to be inside of 30 minutes he'd repeat, word-for-word and expression-for-expression, the same three stories — now it was within 10 minutes. Indeed, many of his tweets were the product of his repetitions — he just couldn't stop saying something."
― raise my chicken finger (Willl), Thursday, 4 January 2018 12:36 (six years ago) link
Okay, okay, I'll preorder the fucking thing already.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Thursday, 4 January 2018 12:58 (six years ago) link
The way that closes is killer
Hoping for the best, with their personal futures as well as the country's future depending on it, my indelible impression of talking to them and observing them through much of the first year of his presidency, is that they all — 100 percent — came to believe he was incapable of functioning in his job.At Mar-a-Lago, just before the new year, a heavily made-up Trump failed to recognize a succession of old friends.
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 4 January 2018 12:59 (six years ago) link
i hope rosenstein highlighted all the damning evidence about nunes
http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/03/politics/rod-rosenstein-house-intel-russia/index.html
― reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 4 January 2018 13:07 (six years ago) link
damn, if he's got recordings
― Joan Digimon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 4 January 2018 13:13 (six years ago) link
also the skepticism about this Wolff piece is odd to me in that it reads pretty much exactly like.... every other fucking thing I've ever read about the Trump White House
― Joan Digimon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 4 January 2018 13:34 (six years ago) link
tbf Wolff himself doesn't exactly have a glowing rep
― Simon H., Thursday, 4 January 2018 13:35 (six years ago) link
yeah you're right that is fairbut I guess I was expecting this fantastical thing when most of the behavior an the dynamics between the various factions seemed very in line with a dozen storieslike, I don't know maybe people are still struggling with THIS IS THE GUY HE'S JUST A DUMB ASSHOLE, there's nothing there and there's some need for there to be
― Joan Digimon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 4 January 2018 13:39 (six years ago) link
Dumb is one thing, actively falling apart is another.
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 4 January 2018 13:43 (six years ago) link
Put them together and what've you got.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Thursday, 4 January 2018 13:50 (six years ago) link
The nature of the comedy, it was soon clear, was that here was a group of ambitious men and women who had reached the pinnacle of power, a high-ranking White House appointment — with the punchline that Donald Trump was president.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/michael-wolff-my-insane-year-inside-trumps-white-house-1071504
― reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 4 January 2018 14:09 (six years ago) link
I genuinely believe 95% of the carping about Wolff is professional jealousy and nothing more. Oh, Michael Wolff has an exaggerated sense of his own importance, and touts his proximity to power at every opportunity? This separates him from every other big-name journalist exactly how? Also, scumbags he made sound like assholes in his work later shouted "I never said that"? Oh, THAT'S never happened before. I find it perfectly plausible that Trump could golf with Boehner, give a talk about Boehner, then in a meeting say "Who's John Boehner?" Why? Because he thought it would be advantageous to Donald Trump to do each of those things, at the moment that he did them, and that was all his canary's brain needed to know. Every political and/or business journalist in America would act exactly like Wolff if given half a chance, and they're just pissed that a guy who looks like a cross between Roy Cohn and Klaus Kinski in Nosferatu pulled off what they couldn't.
― grawlix (unperson), Thursday, 4 January 2018 14:11 (six years ago) link
https://www.apnews.com/19f6bfec15a74733b40eaf0ff9162bfa
― "Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Thursday, 4 January 2018 14:13 (six years ago) link
fuck you Jeff
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 4 January 2018 14:14 (six years ago) link
Every political and/or business journalist in America would act exactly like Wolff if given half a chance, and they're just pissed that a guy who looks like a cross between Roy Cohn and Klaus Kinski in Nosferatu pulled off what they couldn't.
It makes perfect sense to me that a hack grifter journalist would be the one to get this level of access.
― Simon H., Thursday, 4 January 2018 14:14 (six years ago) link
This will solve EVERYTHING.
White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders issues statement saying "all personal devices for both guests and staff will no longer be allowed in the West Wing." pic.twitter.com/r2P1fzfMem— NBC News (@NBCNews) January 4, 2018
― grawlix (unperson), Thursday, 4 January 2018 14:15 (six years ago) link
Sessions compares marijuana to heroin and blames it for spikes in violence.
FFS!! i hate this fucking goblin
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 4 January 2018 14:20 (six years ago) link
the fact that no one immediately shouted FAKE NEWS!!! at the Wolff story but instead started attacking each other and threatening lawsuits kinda makes me feel it's legit
― frogbs, Thursday, 4 January 2018 14:21 (six years ago) link
I notice this in his recent interviews. He'll say something over and over again and then the interviewer will ask him another question and...he'll just keep going back to his previous point. Like an entire page of that NYT interview was him answering questions about his tax bill with stuff like "actually you'll see everyone agrees it was the Democrats that colluded"
Also kind of reminds me of him calling the war widow and just sorta rambling on about completely unrelated topics
― frogbs, Thursday, 4 January 2018 14:23 (six years ago) link
Rather. Also, Wolff says he has tapes.
Sessions' decision, BTW, is a fudge. He's basically saying federal prosecutors can do what they want depending on how they feel, and I have a feeling more than a few of them will shrug.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 January 2018 14:23 (six years ago) link
I find it perfectly plausible that Trump could golf with Boehner, give a talk about Boehner, then in a meeting say "Who's John Boehner?" Why? Because he thought it would be advantageous to Donald Trump to do each of those things, at the moment that he did them, and that was all his canary's brain needed to know.
― grawlix (unperson), 4. januar 2018 15:11 (fourteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Okay, but then that's how the story is, that Trump decided to say that even though he golfed with Boehner. Presenting the story without mentioning that they've golfed together is piss poor research. And, well, sorry, but that's kinda not up for discussion.
And I say that as someone who will read the book, and probably laugh heartily at stupid shit like that Boehner quote. But Wolff is cutting corners everywhere, there's no doubt about that.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 4 January 2018 14:31 (six years ago) link
i don't buy that ! he would like nothing more than to reignite the war on pot anyway he can , he could have left that in place just fine. xp
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 4 January 2018 14:31 (six years ago) link
Man, the wedgie those burnouts gave Sessions in high school must have been positively atomic. But I guess he's showing them.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Thursday, 4 January 2018 14:31 (six years ago) link
Sessions waited too long. I'm not being flip here -- if he had announced it out of the gate, that's one thing. This is only coming after a full year, Trump's political erosion, California fully implementing its own policy, etc. So now?
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 January 2018 14:33 (six years ago) link
now I imagined Sessions holding a keytar and mouthing ATOMIC from the Blondie song.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 January 2018 14:33 (six years ago) link
Anyway, good luck with that!
NEW - Another letter....Trump's attorney sends letter to author Michael Wolff and publisher demanding cease and desist publication of new book https://t.co/q4fSuHugXZ— John Santucci (@JTSantucci) January 4, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 January 2018 14:34 (six years ago) link
i'm not saying he will be effective in turning back the tides on already legal states but for states trying to bring it on like here in NJ this doesn't help at all.
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 4 January 2018 14:35 (six years ago) link
No platforming. SAD!
― "Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Thursday, 4 January 2018 14:36 (six years ago) link
Sessions himself noted the answer in his confirmation -- Congress can change the law. So if you wanted people to rally to a cause...
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 January 2018 14:37 (six years ago) link
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 4 January 2018 14:37 (six years ago) link
I'm willing to bet that Phil Murphy has a way better relationship with NJ's US attorney than Jeff Sessions does. Just a hunch.
― grawlix (unperson), Thursday, 4 January 2018 14:38 (six years ago) link
so there are definitly tapes xp
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 4 January 2018 14:38 (six years ago) link
Zing.
Some reporters are calling the book sloppy, challenging specific passages.How could Wolff know for sure what Bannon and the late Roger Ailes said at a private dinner?It turns out Wolff hosted the dinner for six at his Manhattan townhouse. https://t.co/DXjtl4Q7s9— Robert Mann (@RTMannJr) January 4, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 January 2018 14:40 (six years ago) link
does that mean Sanders is taking his phone away?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 January 2018 14:41 (six years ago) link
Jake Tapper with the bucket of cold water:
Like “Trump lawsuits against the women he allegedly sexually harassed and assaulted” imminent or “Trump lawsuit against the New York Times” imminent? https://t.co/JHWhCsnXWp— Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) January 4, 2018
― grawlix (unperson), Thursday, 4 January 2018 14:49 (six years ago) link
I can't think of a better barometer for the factual accuracy of Wolff's book than Trump's apoplectic reaction to Wolff's book. Per Tapper's tweet, if they're telling the truth about Trump, legal action is imminent.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Thursday, 4 January 2018 14:56 (six years ago) link
oh shit, they are trying to cease and desist the publication of the book? I am going to have to order it. This is awesome.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 January 2018 15:02 (six years ago) link
yep that shit sold me lol
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 4 January 2018 15:03 (six years ago) link
yes, it's very smart to prevent publication and just let the media that got advanced copies drip out details from the Suppressed Blockbuster Book
― President Keyes, Thursday, 4 January 2018 15:11 (six years ago) link
Just ordered my copy from B&N.
― grawlix (unperson), Thursday, 4 January 2018 15:11 (six years ago) link
The jokes, they write themselves.
I'm listening to Alex Jones' interview with Roger Stone on Bannon – because I hate myself – and Jones says of Bannon, "there are signs of paranoia."— andrew kaczynski🤔 (@KFILE) January 4, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 January 2018 15:12 (six years ago) link
The fluoridated water has finally kicked in.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 January 2018 15:14 (six years ago) link
We were somewhere around DC on the edge of Dupont Circle when the fluorinated water began to take hold.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 January 2018 15:16 (six years ago) link
anyone who attempts to satirize the Trump admin this year is a fool. RT/quote, walk away.
― Simon H., Thursday, 4 January 2018 15:17 (six years ago) link
honestly my expected outcome at this point between now and the end of next year Trump does a set of public appearances so incoherent (as in, descending into indecipherable gibberish as opposed to his usual vaguely-decipherable gibberish) that he just makes some lame excuse and bails
― Simon H., Thursday, 4 January 2018 15:37 (six years ago) link
Can totally imagine Trump on his deathbed muttering to the two or three people there: "I used to be president!" And they'll look at each other, smile softly, pat him on his head and say: "Sure, pop. Sure."
And then he'll die, and they'll say, phew, at least it happened before he ran for a second term.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 January 2018 15:41 (six years ago) link
If by 'makes some lame excuse and bails' you mean 'shits his pants and dies on the spot', I concur.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Thursday, 4 January 2018 15:42 (six years ago) link
If by "look at each other, smile softly, pat him on his head and say: "Sure, pop. Sure."" you mean "ignore Trump and keep checking Twitter on their phones as he flatulently expires", I concur.
― "Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Thursday, 4 January 2018 15:43 (six years ago) link
as he flatulently expires
Like a balloon losing air.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 January 2018 15:45 (six years ago) link
Like a whoopee cushion.
Like an inflatable mattress after your guest has left.
Like the bounce house after the party.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 January 2018 15:46 (six years ago) link
Last night, I made like Emmerich and tried to imagine what would happen if some misguided party kidnapped the president. Probably something along the lines of, 'so...what's on the agenda today, President Pence?'
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Thursday, 4 January 2018 15:46 (six years ago) link
Like, how quickly would the entire country conspire to rewrite the history of the past year if he just disappeared?
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Thursday, 4 January 2018 15:47 (six years ago) link
GOP Senator from Colorado re Sessions move:
This reported action directly contradicts what Attorney General Sessions told me prior to his confirmation. With no prior notice to Congress, the Justice Department has trampled on the will of the voters in CO and other states.— Cory Gardner (@SenCoryGardner) January 4, 2018
I am prepared to take all steps necessary, including holding DOJ nominees, until the Attorney General lives up to the commitment he made to me prior to his confirmation.— Cory Gardner (@SenCoryGardner) January 4, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 January 2018 15:50 (six years ago) link
Liberals have already been trying to write Trumpism off as an aberration rather than a natural culmination of steadily-evolving trends, so yeah xp
― Simon H., Thursday, 4 January 2018 15:50 (six years ago) link
I always expected trump to try to ban books, I just didn’t think it would be a single book, about him.
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 4 January 2018 15:51 (six years ago) link
And wow this one-two
One of the baffling things about Trumpworld giving access to Wolff: all they needed to do was call Murdoch and he would have said don’t cooperate b/c Wolff had written nasty book on him. And Jared/Trump speak to Murdoch all the time!— Gabriel Sherman (@gabrielsherman) January 4, 2018
I kept waiting for that call to be made. https://t.co/RGm2SqLbKx— Michael Wolff (@MichaelWolffNYC) January 4, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 January 2018 15:51 (six years ago) link
Summary: pic.twitter.com/JLBpzQcK0J— Mike Flacy (@mikeflacy) January 4, 2018
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 January 2018 15:53 (six years ago) link
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Thursday, January 4, 2018 8:42 AM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― "Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Thursday, January 4, 2018 8:43 AM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
sometimes this thread is a gift
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 4 January 2018 15:53 (six years ago) link
These quotes are funny/terrifying, but my sense is Trump could be removed from office and the nation's taste for such a figure won't have been tempered a bit. You'll just get another demon like him but more competent.
― droit au butt (Euler), Thursday, 4 January 2018 15:55 (six years ago) link
I'm making predictions not wishes
― Simon H., Thursday, 4 January 2018 15:56 (six years ago) link
Feels like it might be complacent to call Trump the *culmination* of these trends in American politics and society, rather than just another stage on the descent
― But doctor, I am Camille Paglia (Bananaman Begins), Thursday, 4 January 2018 16:08 (six years ago) link
― droit au butt (Euler), Thursday, January 4, 2018 9:55 AM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I'm not going to say there won't be political candidates who get some serious traction by speaking directly to Trumpist grievance/dem baiting/racism, because there absolutely will be. But I absolutely believe that Trump eked out a win largely on the basis of celebrity/name recognition. If some no-name GOP senator had replicated Trump's campaign note-for-note, he wouldn't have come within spitting distance of the presidency.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Thursday, 4 January 2018 16:08 (six years ago) link
Yes.
― Simon H., Thursday, 4 January 2018 16:10 (six years ago) link
Fortunately I have no idea who most TV celebrities are today, let alone which could be apocalyptic candidates. xp
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 4 January 2018 16:11 (six years ago) link
Republican David Yancey has won the important state race in Virginia's 94th district: his name was picked from the ceramic bowl. The Democrat can request another recount.— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) January 4, 2018
― mookieproof, Thursday, 4 January 2018 16:16 (six years ago) link
After a tie-breaking name drawing by Virginia State Board of Elections officials, Republican David Yancey has officially been declared the winner in the 94th Virginia House of Delegates District seat in Newport News.Yancey, the incumbent, maintains his seat in the House of Delegates after an unconventional end to the Virginia race. Republicans now hold a 51-49 majority in the state House.
Yancey, the incumbent, maintains his seat in the House of Delegates after an unconventional end to the Virginia race. Republicans now hold a 51-49 majority in the state House.
xp
― ♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 4 January 2018 16:17 (six years ago) link
guy must have lucky charms
― President Keyes, Thursday, 4 January 2018 16:17 (six years ago) link
well, looks like republicans in the state of Virginia have their mandate to impose their will on the entire state
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 4 January 2018 16:21 (six years ago) link
let god take the wheel and then drive it off a cliff
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 4 January 2018 16:22 (six years ago) link
really should have been a duel
― mookieproof, Thursday, 4 January 2018 16:22 (six years ago) link
his name was picked from the ceramic bowl.
In all seriousness, delete America.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Thursday, 4 January 2018 16:25 (six years ago) link
The oracle has spoken!
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Thursday, 4 January 2018 16:26 (six years ago) link
😂😂😂Scaramucci: Some of us have different views, but lets subordinate all that nonsense and work for the president and knock it off.Ruhle: Anthony, you said 6 months ago that you think Steve Bannon tries to suck his own penis. pic.twitter.com/a5AAcIVn5o— Lis Power (@LisPower1) January 4, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 4 January 2018 16:46 (six years ago) link
"Legislative power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical ceramic ceremony."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8bqQ-C1PSE
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 4 January 2018 16:47 (six years ago) link
lol The book is a bestseller on Amazon and it's not even released
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 4 January 2018 16:54 (six years ago) link
In the span of one day, Michael Wolff’s bombshell book about President Donald Trump and his administration, Fire and Fury: Inside the Trump White House, moved 48,448 positions up on Amazon’s best-seller list to reach the no. 1 spot. As of 10:00 a.m. ET on Thursday, it has retained its status. (The book is still in pre-order stages; it will be released on Jan. 9.)
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 4 January 2018 16:55 (six years ago) link
can't wait for Trump to take credit for having a new best selling book out
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 4 January 2018 16:56 (six years ago) link
I'm not going to say there won't be political candidates who get some serious traction by speaking directly to Trumpist grievance/dem baiting/racism, because there absolutely will be. But I absolutely believe that Trump eked out a win largely on the basis of celebrity/name recognition. If some no-name GOP senator had replicated Trump's campaign note-for-note, he wouldn't have come within spitting distance of the presidency.― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Thursday, January 4, 2018 8:08 AM (forty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Thursday, January 4, 2018 8:08 AM (forty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
it's also important to note he was going up against probably the most hated candidate the democrats could have nominated, the bête noire of the entire GOP establishment and idiot fox viewership and a just-large-enough segment of the left.
― omar little, Thursday, 4 January 2018 17:01 (six years ago) link
and whose stirring get-out-the-vote label was 'Qualified'
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 4 January 2018 17:03 (six years ago) link
the mooch video is funny but it also saddens me because it reminds me that i can never run for any sort of public office. "KM you argue for policies which remove the incentive for electricity utilities to increase sales as a means of increasing revenue and profits...but a recent comprehensive analysis of your posts on the internet found that you used the word "fartz", with a 'z', more than 750 times in the last ten years, including one period in August 2011 where it was used over 200 times."
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 4 January 2018 17:03 (six years ago) link
Weird scenes etc
Trump on Bannon: “He called me a great man last night...he changed his tune pretty quick.” Adds: “I don’t talk to him”— Jordan Fabian (@Jordanfabian) January 4, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 January 2018 17:08 (six years ago) link
xpost You're still stuck in that 2016 way of thinking! There are literally no barriers to entry at this point. You just have to be vehemently unapologetic about the 'fartz'-ing, perhaps even suggesting that those who spell it 'farts' are terrorists who hate America.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Thursday, 4 January 2018 17:08 (six years ago) link
damn i was about to que up a morbs addition to the shitty candidate hillary discussion but you beat me to it irl xxxp
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 4 January 2018 17:09 (six years ago) link
Oh, actually, basic decency and a healthy sense of shame are probably barriers to entry now so you may want to work on stamping those qualities into the dirt.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Thursday, 4 January 2018 17:10 (six years ago) link
If some no-name GOP senator had replicated Trump's campaign note-for-note, he wouldn't have come within spitting distance of the presidency.
definitely some truth to this. haven't completely awful candidates run in the past and gotten trounced? Trump definitely had an extraordinary sense of shamelessness, unaccountability, and an ability to bait the media that I don't think anyone who has held public office could properly replicate. how did Trumpism do in 2017?
― frogbs, Thursday, 4 January 2018 17:12 (six years ago) link
I like how calling him a great man is somehow the opposite of "I believe your son committed treason and you are likely implicated yourself" https://t.co/z4VErrJaHQ— Benjy Sarlin (@BenjySarlin) January 4, 2018
Also on the fun tip
per @MichaelWolffNYC, @TuckerCarlson was offered the WH press secretary job and declined https://t.co/RNZncw3Jig— Rosie Gray (@RosieGray) January 4, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 January 2018 17:14 (six years ago) link
can't wait for Trump to take credit for having a new best selling book out― (•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, January 4, 2018 4:56 PM (seventeen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, January 4, 2018 4:56 PM (seventeen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this will absolutely happen in some form
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 4 January 2018 17:16 (six years ago) link
While Trump was in most ways a conventional misogynist, in the workplace he was much closer to women than to men. The former he confided in, the latter he held at arm’s length. He liked and needed his office wives and he trusted them with his most important personal issues. Women, according to Trump, were simply more loyal and trustworthy than men. Men might be more forceful and competent, but they were also more likely to have their own agendas. Women, by their nature – or Trump’s version of their nature – were more likely to focus their purpose on a man. A man like Trump.
I'm wondering if a judicious editor forced the attribution of the views to Trump. Either way, gross.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 January 2018 17:21 (six years ago) link
https://s.faketrumptweet.com/jc0re8jw_1iu3z6n_cje3ll.png
― omar little, Thursday, 4 January 2018 17:22 (six years ago) link
that tweet has a KNEEL BEFORE ZOD tone
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 January 2018 17:23 (six years ago) link
where is Zod when we need him?
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 4 January 2018 17:23 (six years ago) link
TURMP MAAAAADDDD
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Thursday, 4 January 2018 17:24 (six years ago) link
that's fake, no? all i see from him today are his usual ravings about the Dow, retweets about the NFL, taking credit for the Korean talks, and the terrifying specter of voter fraud (two tweets).
― Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 4 January 2018 17:24 (six years ago) link
he's got a FOX talk show at 3 p.m. Saturday afternoons.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 January 2018 17:24 (six years ago) link
it's all too easy to sound like Trump
― omar little, Thursday, 4 January 2018 17:25 (six years ago) link
Weird scenes etc🐦[Trump on Bannon: “He called me a great man last night...he changed his tune pretty quick.” Adds: “I don’t talk to him”— Jordan Fabian (@Jordanfabian) January 4, 2018🕸]🐦
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 4 January 2018 17:27 (six years ago) link
we are seeing the virtue of selfishness in action, the galtiest galt to ever galt
― reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 4 January 2018 17:37 (six years ago) link
By tomorrow, these two will again be chatting once or twice a day (which they've been doing since Bannon was fired). Reminds me of an internet spat on social media. One person publicly attacks another on Twitter. Then quietly sends a DM to patch things up. pic.twitter.com/V4pw86x8mb— corey robin (@CoreyRobin) January 4, 2018
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 4 January 2018 18:00 (six years ago) link
Realize this is petty, but Wolff's book has the worst looking book cover of any bestseller in decades. The 911 commission had a better cover. I wonder if it was an intentional kludge to reflect the depicted administration.
― Sanpaku, Thursday, 4 January 2018 18:03 (six years ago) link
i don't know if trump and bannon will make up, but the RIP Bannon stuff seems very premature to me. sorry to bring up my close family as anecdotal evidence again, but they not only read breitbart, but they also track down books influenced by bannon or directly connected to him, like "the fourth turning" and shit. bannon really does hold a lot of influence with a loooooooot of very impressionable people. there are a lot of people who WANT the apocalypse to happen (via a global war with Islam), and bannon is maybe the most powerful person in the united states who supports that vision. he's not going away.
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 4 January 2018 18:07 (six years ago) link
Pretty much as was tweeted
.@SenCoryGardner on Attorney General Jeff Sessions' #marijuana policy change: "I will be holding all nominations for the Department of Justice. The people of Colorado deserve answers." pic.twitter.com/BnVEkA54ag— CSPAN (@cspan) January 4, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 January 2018 18:07 (six years ago) link
Cory Gardner for secretary of the bongzilla
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 4 January 2018 18:09 (six years ago) link
From Fire and Fury, here's Trump on his friends' wives --> pic.twitter.com/9imNBaSqm1— Katy Tur (@KatyTurNBC) January 3, 2018
― Sanpaku, Thursday, 4 January 2018 18:10 (six years ago) link
Feel sad for them, why don't you?
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/01/04/retiring-members-congress-2018-216209
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 January 2018 18:12 (six years ago) link
I'm sending Booker's office some Doritos rn
― garden of earthly deletes (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 4 January 2018 18:12 (six years ago) link
xp the problem with creating an environment of "whether or not it's true, it sure SOUNDS true" is that applies to you too
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Thursday, 4 January 2018 18:13 (six years ago) link
xp I mean Gardner's office. Shit.
― garden of earthly deletes (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 4 January 2018 18:13 (six years ago) link
xxxpost That person clearly doesn't understand how a highlighter works. So annoying to look at.
― brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 4 January 2018 18:13 (six years ago) link
lol i thought the same thing
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 4 January 2018 18:16 (six years ago) link
i would have gone with a single vertical highlighted line in the margin
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 4 January 2018 18:16 (six years ago) link
Like...I've often said as much in my patented hyperbolic fashion, but is it actually possible that Donald Trump is the worst living American who hasn't (as far as we know) murdered anyone with his own hands? Not sure what metrics to use in measuring someone's awfulness quotient, but I think 'never positively contributing to humanity in any way' and 'exerting considerable effort to be a human bag of shit in pretty much every arena' go a long way in that regard.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Thursday, 4 January 2018 18:18 (six years ago) link
how dare u he created jerrrrrrbs
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 4 January 2018 18:20 (six years ago) link
jeerrrrrrbbbbbbs
― j., Thursday, 4 January 2018 18:20 (six years ago) link
he created gerbils
― failsun ra (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 4 January 2018 18:25 (six years ago) link
http://www.businessinsider.com/mark-meadows-jim-jordan-jeff-sessions-resign-mueller-2018-1
― Evan, Thursday, 4 January 2018 18:37 (six years ago) link
cassidy on the new book: https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/michael-wolffs-withering-portrait-of-president-donald-trump
― k3vin k., Thursday, 4 January 2018 18:38 (six years ago) link
Holy shit the phone prank is so evil.
― treeship 2, Thursday, 4 January 2018 18:44 (six years ago) link
Dude from Colorado, is his pro pot stance so firm since CO has seen so much, er, green since legalization?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 January 2018 18:46 (six years ago) link
It's been a success on all fronts
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 4 January 2018 18:48 (six years ago) link
especially the getting blazed front
― (the blues version in his Broadway show) (crüt), Thursday, 4 January 2018 18:50 (six years ago) link
Rep. Gregg Harper (MS-3) bails out after this term.
― WilliamC, Thursday, 4 January 2018 18:50 (six years ago) link
CNN:Harper became the 44th member of the current House -- including more than two dozen Republicans -- to announce that he will retire, campaign for other office or resign by the end of the current term. This means that more than one tenth of the chamber is planning to leave.
For Republicans, it's the sixth committee chair this cycle to retire or run for another office.
― WilliamC, Thursday, 4 January 2018 18:52 (six years ago) link
catching up here but wolff is a grifter and a scumbag (i know people who have been personally affected by his bullshit—read BURN RATE if you want the kind-to-him version of his dot-com era antics), and he's also been comically wrong about The Future Of Journalism while sucking up to the people who've helped turn it into a shambles.
in other words, he fits right in with the trump white house
― maura, Thursday, 4 January 2018 18:58 (six years ago) link
memories http://tktk.gawker.com/we-have-a-few-more-blurbs-for-michael-wolffs-new-book-1707802934
― maura, Thursday, 4 January 2018 19:02 (six years ago) link
our caligula has his seneca
― reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 4 January 2018 19:05 (six years ago) link
US publisher Henry Holt is understood to be in discussions to move forward publication of the book after receiving the cease-and-desist letter from Trump’s lawyers. About 250,000 copies of the book have already been shipped, but they are supposed to be held under strict embargo until Tuesday.
Although lifting the embargo is complicated, the publisher could now direct booksellers to immediately place the book on sale, a source with knowledge of discussions said.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/04/trump-lawyers-book-steve-bannon-white-house
― maura, Thursday, 4 January 2018 19:07 (six years ago) link
Fucking weird anyone would grant this dude access anywhere anymore. “All press is good press” kind of breaks doen when you’ve already monopolized the world’s attention.
― treeship 2, Thursday, 4 January 2018 19:08 (six years ago) link
all these idiots are super-susceptible to flattery from anyone who they perceive as 'like them'
― maura, Thursday, 4 January 2018 19:11 (six years ago) link
we're dealing with an inherited aristocracy (in well-funded denial that it's an aristocratic class) afflicted by dunning-kruger effect
― reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 4 January 2018 19:11 (six years ago) link
i definitely just pre-ordered the book
― maura, Thursday, 4 January 2018 19:14 (six years ago) link
In Wolff’s account, the battle lines inside the White House were clearly drawn. Bannon, Reince Priebus, who served as chief of staff before Kelly, and Donald McGahn, the White House counsel, were adamantly opposed to firing Comey. “McGahn tried to explain that in fact Comey himself was not running the Russia investigation, that without Comey the investigation would proceed anyway,” Wolff writes. In an Oval Office meeting, Bannon told Trump, “This Russian story is a third-tier story, but you fire Comey and it’ll be the biggest story in the world.”Ranged on the other side of the issue, according to Wolff, were some of Trump’s cronies outside the White House, including Chris Christie and Rudolph Giuliani, who “encouraged him to take the view that the DOJ was resolved against him; it was all part of a holdover Obama plot.” Even more important, Wolff goes on, was the concern of Charles Kushner, Jared’s father, “channeled through his son and daughter-in-law, that the Kushner family [business] dealings were getting wrapped up in the pursuit of Trump.” As the President considered whether to get rid of Comey, Jared and Ivanka “encouraged him, arguing the once possibly charmable Comey was now a dangerous and uncontrollable player whose profit would inevitably be their loss.”
Ranged on the other side of the issue, according to Wolff, were some of Trump’s cronies outside the White House, including Chris Christie and Rudolph Giuliani, who “encouraged him to take the view that the DOJ was resolved against him; it was all part of a holdover Obama plot.” Even more important, Wolff goes on, was the concern of Charles Kushner, Jared’s father, “channeled through his son and daughter-in-law, that the Kushner family [business] dealings were getting wrapped up in the pursuit of Trump.” As the President considered whether to get rid of Comey, Jared and Ivanka “encouraged him, arguing the once possibly charmable Comey was now a dangerous and uncontrollable player whose profit would inevitably be their loss.”
reince priebus: temporarily the smartest guy in the room, somehow, a memoir
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 4 January 2018 19:15 (six years ago) link
if ever a book screamed to be torrented, this is it
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Thursday, 4 January 2018 19:17 (six years ago) link
that was my plan tbh
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 4 January 2018 19:19 (six years ago) link
Meantime
DENVER (AP) - US attorney in Colorado: No change to marijuana enforcement despite Attorney General Jeff Sessions' shift on pot policy— Josh Lederman (@joshledermanAP) January 4, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 January 2018 19:19 (six years ago) link
Posting this because that's one ugly freezeframe
Trump on Bannon calling him a “great man”: He changed his tune pretty quick, didn’t he? https://t.co/4x80pGARj6 pic.twitter.com/xXqTZJWyPz— Allahpundit (@allahpundit) January 4, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 January 2018 19:21 (six years ago) link
This one's something as well.
Just In: When asked if Steve Bannon betrayed him, President Trump said, "he called me a great man last night" although he hasn't talked to him.Adding Bannon "changed his tune pretty quick" since the many revelations in @MichaelWolffNYC's upcoming book. pic.twitter.com/U0h79LfFeL— errol barnett (@errolbarnett) January 4, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 January 2018 19:22 (six years ago) link
any image of trump is a graven image
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Thursday, 4 January 2018 19:27 (six years ago) link
really want a push to have him put on the penny
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Thursday, 4 January 2018 19:28 (six years ago) link
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/be/02/00/be0200e6eb6785ea7bbda8ab938d51aa--jungles.jpg
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Thursday, 4 January 2018 19:28 (six years ago) link
an echo
Garry Wills on anxiety, political discontent, police brutality, the "forgotten American," and "false news" in 1968. From Nixon Agonistes. pic.twitter.com/IXXb5F1SDf— Osita Nwanevu (@OsitaNwanevu) January 4, 2018
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 4 January 2018 19:34 (six years ago) link
Nixon Agonistes is a great book btw
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 4 January 2018 19:35 (six years ago) link
Why did they think this was a good idea.
New header image pic.twitter.com/2GCBflU1Hp— Comfortably Smug (@ComfortablySmug) January 4, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 January 2018 19:43 (six years ago) link
― mookieproof, Thursday, 4 January 2018 19:44 (six years ago) link
These Trump screencaps need to stop, I'm freely wetting myself at this point with all the laughing.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Thursday, 4 January 2018 20:01 (six years ago) link
Another confirmation on the dinner story reported by Wolff
So I was one of the 6 guests at the Bannon-Ailes dinner party in January 2017 and every word I've seen from the book about it is absolutely accurate. It was an astonishing night... pic.twitter.com/I4vgOrHOYb— Janice Min (@janicemin) January 4, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 January 2018 20:02 (six years ago) link
Was going to start/propose a new thread, "Pictures of Trump where it looks like he's pooping," but EVERY picture of him, he looks like he's pooping.
― Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Thursday, 4 January 2018 20:03 (six years ago) link
I simply cannot imagine why that would be the case. I simply cannot.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Thursday, 4 January 2018 20:05 (six years ago) link
Yes, yes of course
On CNN, Atty. Mark Geragos says he has it on 'good authority' that Steve Bannon is considering a defamation suit against President Trump.— ErikWemple (@ErikWemple) January 4, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 January 2018 20:07 (six years ago) link
screencaps of trump making the exact same expression as pokey minch https://lparchive.org/Mother-3/Update%2034/21-62.png
― sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Thursday, 4 January 2018 20:08 (six years ago) link
Ties right into the common observation that he sits on every chair like it's a toilet.
― grawlix (unperson), Thursday, 4 January 2018 20:09 (six years ago) link
I get that Wolff apparently has some credibility issues, but given everything we know, given that this entire year and change has been punctuated by daily (often multiple times daily) doses of Trumpian WTF-ery, why would anyone with his level of access need to do anything more than directly transcribe what he's heard/recorded? Attempting to out-sensationalize that gaggle of fucksticks would be a very steep climb and not even worth the effort. It's like being accused of overstating how wet the ocean is after spending a year floating around in it. It's the wettest ever, no need to exaggerate.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Thursday, 4 January 2018 20:10 (six years ago) link
And this kinda confirms it.
Incredulous, I often asked Michael about his near-weekly visits to roam the White House unsupervised: Me: 'So what do they THINK you are doing?' Him (typing, typing): 'I have no idea. No one asks'— Janice Min (@janicemin) January 4, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 January 2018 20:12 (six years ago) link
The victories continue...
#BREAKING: Trump tells GOP senators he doesn't expect physical 2,200-mile wall to be part of immigration deal https://t.co/aAFMMmxMuf pic.twitter.com/VTOSfcUKCJ— The Hill (@thehill) January 4, 2018
― grawlix (unperson), Thursday, 4 January 2018 20:16 (six years ago) link
so hard to imagine a trump white house where nobody knows what's going on. xp
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 4 January 2018 20:17 (six years ago) link
wait no it's not
what are the odds his annual physical actually takes place? Or takes place to completion, without him storming out or firing the doctor or something?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 January 2018 20:20 (six years ago) link
Senator John Cornyn everyone
aggressive senate fashion pic.twitter.com/sJNJrBkIFs— Jim Newell (@jim_newell) January 4, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 January 2018 20:20 (six years ago) link
xpost I'm glad you explained what you meant by 'to completion'.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Thursday, 4 January 2018 20:21 (six years ago) link
It's absolutely astonishing that this article (which is not exactly fawning) is what got Wolff his access:
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/donald-trump-conversation-politics-dark-898465
Seriously, every day the question "Just how stupid are these people?" has a new answer.
― grawlix (unperson), Thursday, 4 January 2018 20:21 (six years ago) link
they liked the cover
that was probably enough
― Number None, Thursday, 4 January 2018 20:24 (six years ago) link
Him (typing, typing)
― j., Thursday, 4 January 2018 20:27 (six years ago) link
wolff in the white house:
https://i.imgur.com/a8Fehku.jpg
― 龜, Thursday, 4 January 2018 20:32 (six years ago) link
Earlier in the day, I'd met with Trump at a taping of ABC's Jimmy Kimmel Live! at the El Capitan Theatre on Hollywood Boulevard, where he was the single guest for the evening (musicians The Weeknd and Belly canceled upon learning of his appearance). "Have you ever seen anything like this?" he asked. He meant this, the Trump phenomenon. Circumventing any chance that I might dampen the sentiment, he quickly answered his own question: "No one ever has."His son-in-law, New York Observer owner Jared Kushner, married to his daughter Ivanka and also a real estate scion — but clearly a more modest and tempered fellow, a wisp next to his beefsteak father-in-law — offered that they may have reached 100 percent name recognition. In other words, Trump could be the most famous man in the world right now. "I may be," says Trump, almost philosophically, and referencing the many people who have told him they've never seen anything like this. "Bill O'Reilly said in his lifetime this is the greatest phenomenon he's ever seen."
His son-in-law, New York Observer owner Jared Kushner, married to his daughter Ivanka and also a real estate scion — but clearly a more modest and tempered fellow, a wisp next to his beefsteak father-in-law — offered that they may have reached 100 percent name recognition. In other words, Trump could be the most famous man in the world right now. "I may be," says Trump, almost philosophically, and referencing the many people who have told him they've never seen anything like this. "Bill O'Reilly said in his lifetime this is the greatest phenomenon he's ever seen."
― omar little, Thursday, 4 January 2018 20:38 (six years ago) link
✔@joshledermanAPDENVER (AP) - US attorney in Colorado: No change to marijuana enforcement despite Attorney General Jeff Sessions' shift on pot policy
1:58 PM - Jan 4, 2018
I misread that as "shit-in-pot policy"
― Evan, Thursday, 4 January 2018 20:38 (six years ago) link
this is the greatest phenomenon he's ever seen
"donald trump" replacing "benedict arnold" is truly historic
― reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 4 January 2018 20:43 (six years ago) link
xpost Six of one...
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Thursday, 4 January 2018 21:00 (six years ago) link
now being rushed to stores for tomorrow morning.
― akm, Thursday, 4 January 2018 21:04 (six years ago) link
lmao
― gbx, Thursday, 4 January 2018 21:15 (six years ago) link
leggoooo
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 4 January 2018 21:17 (six years ago) link
Hmm. (Worth noting Gaetz has been complaining about the Mueller probe forever, so, two birds, one stone?)
Rep. @mattgaetz, who's been one of Trump's strongest allies in the House, blasts DOJ over the new marijuana guidelines. pic.twitter.com/W7xN2IeuxU— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) January 4, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 January 2018 21:28 (six years ago) link
loooool after receiving a cease and desist order from Trump's attorney the publisher of Michael Wolf's book has decided to release it four days earlier than expected.
― Buttery males (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 4 January 2018 21:43 (six years ago) link
boy 2018 is off to a fine start huh
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 4 January 2018 21:56 (six years ago) link
dooH niboR
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-welfare/trump-push-to-scale-back-welfare-programs-has-republicans-on-edge-idUSKBN1ET1AG
― reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 4 January 2018 22:04 (six years ago) link
makes sense for them, i'm not sure how a political book could be more hyped than right now
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 4 January 2018 22:05 (six years ago) link
And you thought the beat slowed down
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 4 January 2018 22:06 (six years ago) link
Pessimistically, I can't help feeling that more woes for Trump just ups the odds of some kind of military 'distraction' down the line. Only this time it won't be bombing a Sudanese pharmaceutical company, it will be nuking Pyongyang...
― Zelda Zonk, Thursday, 4 January 2018 22:18 (six years ago) link
he does seem legitimately interested in re-election, which strikes me as an incentive to keep a bellicose peace rather than *actually* lurch into war
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 4 January 2018 22:24 (six years ago) link
Being at war has traditionally been a great way to get the incumbent reelected (Nixon, GWB).
― nickn, Thursday, 4 January 2018 22:25 (six years ago) link
going to war creates jobs (and vacancies!), why do u hate jobs
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 4 January 2018 22:27 (six years ago) link
i guess it depends when it starts and what the optics are.
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 4 January 2018 22:29 (six years ago) link
a war that involves an actual nuke that kills millions will elevate him to hitler-level war criminal p much immediately, even with some of his staunchest supporters imo
― gbx, Thursday, 4 January 2018 22:32 (six years ago) link
not if they deserved it
― failsun ra (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 4 January 2018 22:34 (six years ago) link
yeah if there's one thing the american people have an appetite for, it's acknowledging the war crimes of their leaders xp
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 4 January 2018 22:37 (six years ago) link
So Truman is seen as a Hitler-level war criminal then?
― Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Thursday, 4 January 2018 22:40 (six years ago) link
4real, nuclear devastation in our massively-online era would be communicated worldwide, to everyone, immediately, and maybe i'm just a naive chump but i really don't think that images of a flattened pyongyang and reports of literally millions dead would suddenly make trump ~more~ electable
― gbx, Thursday, 4 January 2018 22:40 (six years ago) link
are you guys being obtuse on purpose
― gbx, Thursday, 4 January 2018 22:41 (six years ago) link
Not really.
― Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Thursday, 4 January 2018 22:41 (six years ago) link
https://www.thedailybeast.com/justice-department-looking-into-hillary-clintons-emails-again
The Remix
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 4 January 2018 22:43 (six years ago) link
i suppose i should clarify that i'm talking about the impulsive preemptive strike that everyone's worried about, not necessarily a "we've been at war with this nation for a minute" that might have some popular support
but again: i think it was many years before anyone in the US had anything close to a sense of the devastation of hiroshima/nagasaki
― gbx, Thursday, 4 January 2018 22:43 (six years ago) link
Wait - so are these theoretical dead people white, or not? Asking for a friend.
― failsun ra (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 4 January 2018 22:44 (six years ago) link
He isn't going to nuke anyone, he doesn't have to.
― Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Thursday, 4 January 2018 22:45 (six years ago) link
maybe so! but i was responding to this (and similar sentiments):
Pessimistically, I can't help feeling that more woes for Trump just ups the odds of some kind of military 'distraction' down the line. Only this time it won't be bombing a Sudanese pharmaceutical company, it will be nuking Pyongyang...― Zelda Zonk, Thursday, January 4, 2018 4:18 PM (twenty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Zelda Zonk, Thursday, January 4, 2018 4:18 PM (twenty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
the unthinkable human cost aside, nuking NK as a "distraction" would not be good for trump politically
― gbx, Thursday, 4 January 2018 22:47 (six years ago) link
trump won the presidency by doing everything that conventional wisdom held would not be good for him politically
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 4 January 2018 22:50 (six years ago) link
still inclined to believe that impulsively murdering millions of people with a nuclear weapon isn't really the same as being dumber and more boorish than most politicians but w/e
― gbx, Thursday, 4 January 2018 22:52 (six years ago) link
I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and nuke everybody and I wouldn’t lose voters.
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 4 January 2018 22:54 (six years ago) link
It wouldn't be sold as a "distraction" it'll be sold as "America standing tall, not taking crap from bullies." And we don't really have much of a history with this. Lots of people today think the Japanese bombing was justified, whether because "they started it" or "it saved lives in the long run by bringing the war to a quick end."
― nickn, Thursday, 4 January 2018 22:54 (six years ago) link
idk, been thinking about this lately: https://www.currentaffairs.org/2017/06/pretending-it-isnt-there
most ppl seem to really underestimate just how unthinkably horrifying a modern nuke would be, orders of magnitude worse than what we did to japan
dunno why i'm hobby-horsing this today, sorry yall
― gbx, Thursday, 4 January 2018 22:58 (six years ago) link
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 4 January 2018 22:58 (six years ago) link
t/s: murdering millions of faceless foreigners in a sudden flash of nuclear fire vs murdering (at least) hundreds of thousands of faceless foreigners over decades in an utterly incompetent series of interventions in the middle east― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, January 4, 2018 4:58 PM (twenty seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
like this is exactly my point lol
― gbx, Thursday, 4 January 2018 23:00 (six years ago) link
I didn't mean it would start with preemptive nuking, but it might end that way: I can certainly imagine Trump deciding on a "surgical" strike on NK's nuclear capabilities and things quickly escalating from there
― Zelda Zonk, Thursday, 4 January 2018 23:02 (six years ago) link
Americans are very into nuclear attacks if they believe that it's a tradeoff against US soldiers dying in an invasion.
https://news.stanford.edu/2017/08/08/americans-weigh-nuclear-war/
Their findings demonstrate that, contrary to the nuclear taboo thesis, a clear majority of Americans would approve of using nuclear weapons first against the civilian population of a nonnuclear-armed adversary, even killing 2 million Iranian civilians, if they believed that such use would save the lives of 20,000 U.S. soldiers.
― jmm, Thursday, 4 January 2018 23:03 (six years ago) link
then i dunno what your point is cuz mine is that americans have a boundless capacity to rationalise military atrocities xxp
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 4 January 2018 23:03 (six years ago) link
the politics of pre-emptive nuclear war! strange times. i think that the problem with guessing at trump's take on the political consequences is that his decisionmaking is driven more by inpulse than reason. this is the guy that thought liberals would like him more if he fired comey, and was surrounded with multiple inner-circle people advising the same. he has no clue what's going on. the only thing he reads are his speeches. so yeah, it might not make any sense politically, but...he's also so very dumb and childlike, and the big nuclear button might be a little bit more of a flashy and attention-getting issue for him to focus on.
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 4 January 2018 23:19 (six years ago) link
i mean does trump want to run again or does he just like the excuse of 'campaigning' in order to have ego-boosting rallies with his true believers
― maura, Thursday, 4 January 2018 23:23 (six years ago) link
also, it's january 4 and this thread is almost at 600 posts. good lord
― maura, Thursday, 4 January 2018 23:24 (six years ago) link
It would be easy to fabricate a case - we saw that NK had loaded a warhead onto a missile and was hours away from launching at X. Who would know it was a lie? It's extremely unlikely, but justification wouldn't be a problem - fallout would be (radiation and political).
― Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Thursday, 4 January 2018 23:29 (six years ago) link
Here we go. You can buy it (and read it) tomorrow. Thank you, Mr. President.— Michael Wolff (@MichaelWolffNYC) January 4, 2018
― maura, Thursday, 4 January 2018 23:29 (six years ago) link
can't really believe we're having a debate about the optics of preemptive nuclear strikes, but gbx otm
― k3vin k., Thursday, 4 January 2018 23:43 (six years ago) link
Seeing a report that the current head of the NSA, Mike Rogers, has announced he'll be retiring.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 January 2018 23:45 (six years ago) link
i guess i worry about the instincts of a person who has demonstrably responded to any criticism by lashing back as hard as he can, often with terrible political consequences for him and his party, and then brags to others about having that impulse
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 4 January 2018 23:48 (six years ago) link
it's not hard for anyone to look back at the brief history of nuclear weapons and conclude that a pre-emptive strike never, ever makes sense for any reason. that's mutually assured destruction. but does anyone think that trump has even the most cursory knowledge of truman, WWII, escalation, cuban missile crisis, détente, SALT, etc? he literally doesn't know.
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 4 January 2018 23:54 (six years ago) link
Whomp whomp
SCOOP: The Mercers split from Steve Bannon was so complete — & so bitter — that they cut off funding for Bannon's private security detail. More juicy details TK as we update our story. https://t.co/SXrjOD3miD— Kenneth P. Vogel (@kenvogel) January 4, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 January 2018 23:56 (six years ago) link
nyt: now with "juicy details TK"
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Friday, 5 January 2018 00:10 (six years ago) link
MSNBC’s Katy Tur just revealed the sordid details of how Trump seduced friends’ wives
― sleeve, Friday, 5 January 2018 00:11 (six years ago) link
xpost As it's in reference to Bannon, they could be using 'juicy' literally.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Friday, 5 January 2018 00:13 (six years ago) link
I wouldn't call puss "juicy"
― Evan, Friday, 5 January 2018 00:51 (six years ago) link
Typo
― Evan, Friday, 5 January 2018 00:52 (six years ago) link
Whoops!
EXCLUSIVE: Mueller's Investigation reveals details of how Trump had WH counsel lobby Sessions not to recuse; how a WH lawyer tried to mislead the president about whether he could fire Comey; Preibus notes corroborate some of Comey's claims. https://t.co/OxhitbBfg2— Michael S. Schmidt (@nytmike) January 5, 2018
Wow. McGahn lobbied Sessions to remain in charge of the inquiry, but "Mr. McGahn was unsuccessful, and the president erupted in anger in front of numerous White House officials, saying he needed his attorney general to protect him." https://t.co/M4XIkww3yT— Natasha Bertrand (@NatashaBertrand) January 5, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 5 January 2018 00:55 (six years ago) link
It’s like he’s never heard the “...and while i am AN attorney, I am not YOUR attorney...” speil/joke before.
― y'know, LIBS! libertarians, libertines, even liberians and librarians (Hunt3r), Friday, 5 January 2018 01:04 (six years ago) link
What is a speil
― y'know, LIBS! libertarians, libertines, even liberians and librarians (Hunt3r), Friday, 5 January 2018 01:05 (six years ago) link
xp re: Ned's quoted tweets: two very small pieces of a much, much larger puzzle that Mueller must piece together successfully, if his report is to critically wound the prez. but they fit right in with all the other pieces we've seen so far, pointing to obstruction of justice.
My opinion is that indulging in obstruction of justice would not take down trump all by itself (sad!). It must be seen as the final step in a pattern of criminal activity by his campaign, and his staff, with Trump fully and knowingly complicit. iow, something too big to be dismissed as an aberration or ignorant mistake.
― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 5 January 2018 01:06 (six years ago) link
― y'know, LIBS! libertarians, libertines, even liberians and librarians (Hunt3r), 5. januar 2018 02:05 (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
It's 'mirror' in Danish
― Frederik B, Friday, 5 January 2018 01:23 (six years ago) link
I put a speil on youand nowur dane
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Friday, 5 January 2018 01:24 (six years ago) link
spiel = story
― Dan S, Friday, 5 January 2018 02:01 (six years ago) link
It's 'game' in Danish.
― Frederik B, Friday, 5 January 2018 02:12 (six years ago) link
apologies if this was already posted:https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/03/bannon-trump-white-house-alliance-322624
CORRECTION: An earlier version of the story misidentified the fictional character name Bannon uses to refer to Jared Kushner as Frodo, a “Lord of the Rings” reference, rather than Fredo, a reference to “The Godfather.”
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Friday, 5 January 2018 02:27 (six years ago) link
xp who the fuck cares about what the fuck anything is in danish
― j., Friday, 5 January 2018 02:58 (six years ago) link
According to Wikipedia the population of Denmark on Jan. 1 2017 was estimated at 5,748,769. One assumes the great majority of Danes speak Danish and consequently would care what the fuck anything is in danish.
― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 5 January 2018 03:12 (six years ago) link
There is evidence for the presence of one or more Danes on ILX.
― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 5 January 2018 03:13 (six years ago) link
'Anything' is 'hvad som helst' in Danish.
― Frederik B, Friday, 5 January 2018 03:15 (six years ago) link
― Dan S, Friday, 5 January 2018 03:18 (six years ago) link
some have cheese
― Evan, Friday, 5 January 2018 03:19 (six years ago) link
Weak, low energy, and some might say, sad:
I authorized Zero access to White House (actually turned him down many times) for author of phony book! I never spoke to him for book. Full of lies, misrepresentations and sources that don’t exist. Look at this guy’s past and watch what happens to him and Sloppy Steve!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 5, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 5 January 2018 04:01 (six years ago) link
sloppy steves for lunch, kids
― Scatperson (ski-ba-bop-ba-dop-whore.) (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 5 January 2018 04:04 (six years ago) link
Levels? Ready Killer One...
Yam is gonna order a Sloppy Steve w/ extra mayo.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 5 January 2018 04:05 (six years ago) link
The Urban Dictionary definition of Sloppy Steve is one for the ages...
― Zelda Zonk, Friday, 5 January 2018 04:15 (six years ago) link
really wish i hadn't looked that up.
― piscesx, Friday, 5 January 2018 04:41 (six years ago) link
One day, someone will write a kids' picture book with the main characters Lyin' Ted, Sloppy Steve and Little Marco.
― Zelda Zonk, Friday, 5 January 2018 04:47 (six years ago) link
when you want to write a really killer tweet proving you’re not an idiot but you also don’t know the difference between curated and cultivated https://t.co/Jsc8vKCDIr— Kilgore Trout (@KT_So_It_Goes) January 5, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 5 January 2018 05:07 (six years ago) link
XP Or the worst early Springsteen song.
― Never Learn To Mike Love (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 5 January 2018 06:32 (six years ago) link
A few months ago I dreamt Trump thought I was a spy and nicknamed me Nosy O’Donnell.
― Darin, Friday, 5 January 2018 07:05 (six years ago) link
your dream nickname is much more clever than actual trump nicknames
― while my dirk gently weeps (symsymsym), Friday, 5 January 2018 08:09 (six years ago) link
It’s Frodos all the way down, right?
― Google Murray Blockchain (kingfish), Friday, 5 January 2018 09:16 (six years ago) link
Alternating Frodos, Fredos, and Faygos.
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 5 January 2018 12:36 (six years ago) link
More like Fraud-os amirite, sad!
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Friday, 5 January 2018 12:58 (six years ago) link
https://d2ffutrenqvap3.cloudfront.net/items/0c2i103I2w0s102Y3p03/Wolff%20on%20Stephen%20Miller.jpg
i'm not sure wolff needs to be throwing shade about sentence construction here...
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 5 January 2018 13:55 (six years ago) link
Governor Skeleton is angry with his bud Trump.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 5 January 2018 14:20 (six years ago) link
Irl lol’ing at “Nosy O’Donnell”
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 5 January 2018 14:25 (six years ago) link
misread that as Governor Skeletor and thought "to be honest how would he even be worse?"
― mark s, Friday, 5 January 2018 14:29 (six years ago) link
auto correct :(
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 5 January 2018 14:34 (six years ago) link
Maybe not the most important thing in the world but the excerpt above is really crappily written -- I suppose Wolff had to do it in a hurry, it reads like first draft and probably is
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 5 January 2018 14:35 (six years ago) link
Well, now that collusion with Russia is proving to be a total hoax and the only collusion is with Hillary Clinton and the FBI/Russia, the Fake News Media (Mainstream) and this phony new book are hitting out at every new front imaginable. They should try winning an election. Sad!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 5, 2018
― Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Friday, 5 January 2018 14:35 (six years ago) link
eephus that's what i was trying to say
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 5 January 2018 14:39 (six years ago) link
I mean winning elections is a great thing to do tbh
― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 5 January 2018 14:39 (six years ago) link
they've been winning a bunch of them lately
― frogbs, Friday, 5 January 2018 14:39 (six years ago) link
"the FBI/Russia"
― Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Friday, 5 January 2018 14:40 (six years ago) link
I don't even know how they are alleging Clinton colluded with the Russians. To what end?
Conspiracy counterpoint: Clinton worked with the Russians to *lose* the election just to make Trump look bad by letting him win so that he could lose at a later date ... OF HER CHOOSING!!!
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 5 January 2018 14:43 (six years ago) link
translating from caligulan: Well, now that collusion with Marsha is proving to be a total hoax and the only collusion is with Crooked Hillary and the FBI/Marsha, Fox News and Fire and Furyare hitting out at every new front imaginable. They should try conspiring with Russia. Sad??
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 5 January 2018 14:54 (six years ago) link
https://www.advocate.com/politics/2018/1/03/mike-pence-swears-doug-jones-gay-son-looks
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 5 January 2018 14:58 (six years ago) link
https://www.advocate.com/sites/advocate.com/files/2018/01/03/carson-jones-750x.jpg
is that Jones' son? Mmmmm...
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 5 January 2018 14:59 (six years ago) link
and gay!
http://people.com/politics/doug-jones-gay-son-mike-pence-side-eye/
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 5 January 2018 15:00 (six years ago) link
When someone releases a tell-all book which extensively demonstrates what a stupid POS you are, the wisest response is to make constant references to said book.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Friday, 5 January 2018 15:00 (six years ago) link
re tracer on wolff the writer: in general i'm not a fan of the "supposed to be" formulation -- the passive construction obscures who's doing the supposing, which sometimes matters quite a lot* -- but as a rhetorical device the repetition is good not bad imo, and once that starts the sentence construction is fine. "He was hired as, but… " four times in a row would have been stronger.
internet w/a cap-I is always terrible
*tho actually it's clear enough here
― mark s, Friday, 5 January 2018 15:03 (six years ago) link
what pisses don don off most is jarvanka spilling coiffure secrets. i'm telling you there's a toupee tape coming
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 5 January 2018 15:06 (six years ago) link
I'm still freaked out by this scalp-reduction surgery thing, it's so gross
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 5 January 2018 15:07 (six years ago) link
As for his credibility being questioned, Wolff referenced his body of work and repeated that he stands by "absolutely everything" in the book: "My credibility is being questioned by a man who has less credibility than perhaps anyone who has ever walked on Earth at this point."https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/michael-wolff-stands-by-book-responds-trump-cease-desist-1071820
― maura, Friday, 5 January 2018 15:08 (six years ago) link
saucy!
― sleeve, Friday, 5 January 2018 15:13 (six years ago) link
Try to keep up, sleeve. Juicy is the new saucy.
― failsun ra (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 5 January 2018 15:15 (six years ago) link
:)
fwiw I was referring to Wolff's snappy comeback there, it's about goddamn time people started taking off the gloves
― sleeve, Friday, 5 January 2018 15:15 (six years ago) link
I don't even know how they are alleging Clinton colluded with the Russians. To what end?Conspiracy counterpoint: Clinton worked with the Russians to *lose* the election just to make Trump look bad by letting him win so that he could lose at a later date ... OF HER CHOOSING!!!
The Trump narrative (or at least the narrative that someone has thought up for Trump) is that the Russia stuff in the Steele dossier was paid for / directed by Democrats and that Steele's sources were all reporting back to the Kremlin, so any information he collated was given with Russian-government sign-off. Clinton knew this and accepted the help anyway in order to damage Trump. The culmination of the plot was giving the dossier to the NSA, etc, who would take action, publicising / affirming the conspiracy in the days prior to the election - which obviously didn't happen. The softer version is that collating the dossier in the first place constituted illegal assistance from foreign sources.
To counter that, there has been a lot of weight placed on the claim that Steele's sources weren't paid and that the official investigation into Trump was triggered by the Australian diplomat who spoke to Papadopoulos, rather than the Steele folder.
The narrative doesn't hold any weight but Marcy Wheeler has some good stuff on how some of the moral / legal grey areas / overenthusiasm on the part of Steele's benefactors blunted the effectiveness of the dossier prior to the election.
― Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Friday, 5 January 2018 15:16 (six years ago) link
the manchild who cried "wolff"
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 5 January 2018 15:16 (six years ago) link
ShariVari, that's perhaps an overly-nuanced explication of Trump's prepubescent 'no, YOU'RE the puppet!' retorts.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Friday, 5 January 2018 15:19 (six years ago) link
ahem ahem epub format
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Friday, 5 January 2018 15:20 (six years ago) link
mark it was more "Bannon... sent him to the Internet to learn about and to try to draft the EO"
you can't learn about an EO you haven't drafted yet, but even if you could that's a terrible sentence
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 5 January 2018 15:23 (six years ago) link
it is, tho to be honest i'd put this on the sub editor (if any): it's the kind of thing everyone ends up writing in a hurry
― mark s, Friday, 5 January 2018 15:27 (six years ago) link
Rings true
It's being written as Bannon/Trump feud but in reality Trump aides used the last few pieces quoting Bannon to force Trump to do what he always refused to, which is strongly stand up to Bannon https://t.co/6o415ZMJBp— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) January 5, 2018
Trump has not changed at all, despite insistence otherwise - he's the same person now he's been for years. But he's in a new and stressful situation. https://t.co/1Fo6TFO7Wq— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) January 5, 2018
Thinking about he's all bluster but hates real confrontation/firings, etc. etc. At some point over the last couple of days it also has to have vaguely sunk in that a favored tactic -- threaten a lawsuit and someone goes away -- didn't work at all, and more to the point, didn't work even when he was the President of the US.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 5 January 2018 15:43 (six years ago) link
kind of amazing that a man whose only actual talent is drawing media attention to himself is now at a point where he's getting covered and scrutinized more than any person in history and it's directly leading to his undoing and the permanent tarnishing of his legacy
would make a better Black Mirror episode than screaming keychains or w/e
― frogbs, Friday, 5 January 2018 15:54 (six years ago) link
Donald J. Trump✔@realDonaldTrumpWell, now that collusion with Russia is proving to be a total hoax and the only collusion is with Hillary Clinton and the FBI/Russia, the Fake News Media (Mainstream) and this phony new book are hitting out at every new front imaginable. They should try winning an election. Sad!9:32 AM - Jan 5, 2018 18,845 18,845 Replies 9,850 9,850 Retweets 39,871 39,871 likesTwitter Ads info and privacy― Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Friday, January 5, 2018 9:35 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark
assuming the semi-coherent ones are being written by scavino
― 龜, Friday, 5 January 2018 15:55 (six years ago) link
I assume that most of the ones that don't read like he just mashed his palm on the keypad and hit 'send' are either dictated or ghostwritten.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Friday, 5 January 2018 15:57 (six years ago) link
it's directly leading to his undoing
is it though
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 5 January 2018 16:04 (six years ago) link
bannon wants to be his werner herzog is my guess still
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 5 January 2018 16:08 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O18ql2iX2Fk
― Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Friday, 5 January 2018 16:10 (six years ago) link
Even if Trump's undoing only occurs on the cellular level, I'll take it.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Friday, 5 January 2018 16:12 (six years ago) link
It would be rad if the stress reduced him to a burbling, protoplasmic mass by the end of his term.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Friday, 5 January 2018 16:14 (six years ago) link
the tommy to sloppy steve's greg sestero / tom bissell
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 5 January 2018 16:14 (six years ago) link
assume that most of the ones that don't read like he just mashed his palm on the keypad and hit 'send' are either dictated or ghostwritten.― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Friday, January 5, 2018 3:57 PM (fifty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Friday, January 5, 2018 3:57 PM (fifty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
trump's insane capitalization method is also a tell
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 5 January 2018 16:52 (six years ago) link
There's also an angle where the dossier was apparently being used as evidence for the FISA warrant on Carter Page, which is blended into Trump's "They were TAPPING me!" / omg the unmasking
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 5 January 2018 17:36 (six years ago) link
This article is another in the you-think-you-know-but-you-have-no-idea genre, but it's worth it for just how much time this guy spent documenting one-to-one relationships between Fox & Friends programming and Trump tweets.
After comparing the president’s tweets with Fox's coverage every day since October, I can tell you that the Fox-Trump feedback loop is happening far more often than you think. There is no strategy to Trump’s Twitter feed; he is not trying to distract the media. He is being distracted. He darts with quark-like speed from topic to topic in his tweets because that’s how cable news works.Here’s what’s also shocking: A man with unparalleled access to the world’s most powerful information-gathering machine, with an intelligence budget estimated at $73 billion last year, prefers to rely on conservative cable news hosts to understand current events.
Here’s what’s also shocking: A man with unparalleled access to the world’s most powerful information-gathering machine, with an intelligence budget estimated at $73 billion last year, prefers to rely on conservative cable news hosts to understand current events.
― grawlix (unperson), Friday, 5 January 2018 17:45 (six years ago) link
I might use the word 'alarming' in place of 'shocking'. I don't think anyone is shocked by that fact anymore.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Friday, 5 January 2018 17:48 (six years ago) link
terrifying comes to mind
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Friday, 5 January 2018 17:53 (six years ago) link
we have met the enemy, and he has a TV head
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 5 January 2018 17:56 (six years ago) link
I had no idea this existed but of course it exists.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaIGAMzKH8A
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Friday, 5 January 2018 17:58 (six years ago) link
somewhat stunned by the reach of the Wolff book. saw tons of my art school friends (otherwise completely disengaged from following politics every day, never read books like this, wouldn't be aware of them, don't read the nyt or wapo or anything but twitter) have already bought the book and are posting excerpts on instagram. man, wolff made out like a bandit with this one, good for him. i hope i get my copy before monday.
― flappy bird, Friday, 5 January 2018 17:59 (six years ago) link
So this happened last night...
Wow, this extract from Wolff’s book is a shocking insight into Trump’s mind: pic.twitter.com/1ZecclggSa— the gorilla channel thing is a joke (@pixelatedboat) January 5, 2018
...and now it's come to this.
THE WHITE HOUSE STAFF MADE A MAKESHIFT GORILLA CHANNEL FOR TRUMP TO WATCH AS MUCH AS 17 TIMES A DAY.#GorillaChannel pic.twitter.com/8BU4Ch9oiD— Eric Garland (@ericgarland) January 5, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 5 January 2018 18:02 (six years ago) link
― Simon H., Friday, 5 January 2018 18:04 (six years ago) link
The Mercer Family recently dumped the leaker known as Sloppy Steve Bannon. Smart!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 5, 2018
― Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Friday, 5 January 2018 18:06 (six years ago) link
There is no strategy to Trump’s Twitter feed; he is not trying to distract the media. He is being distracted.
A smart person would create distractions. Trump is not a smart person. Most people analyzing Trump are smart people, so it's hard for them to put themselves in the mindframe of a dolt. Also hard to believe that someone as """"successful"""" as Trump is really and truly dumb. "He sure knows how to play the media!" "Well you have to give him credit for creating and selling his brand". Right cause Duck Dynasty dudes are savvy postmodern media/biz whizzes.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 5 January 2018 18:06 (six years ago) link
Trump clearly has severe cognitive issues that make him dangerously incapable of functioning as president, so if the past's anything to go by Republicans will soon be calling for him to be put on Mount Rushmore— Jon Schwarz (@schwarz) January 5, 2018
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 5 January 2018 18:08 (six years ago) link
haha garland even fucked up the information in the fake excerpt
― while my dirk gently weeps (symsymsym), Friday, 5 January 2018 18:09 (six years ago) link
pic.twitter.com/Fi7capnaax— andy levy (@andylevy) January 5, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 5 January 2018 18:10 (six years ago) link
the stupidity is nesting
The only thing better than believing in gorilla channel is knowing it's fake, but was actually planted in the Wolff book to discredit it pic.twitter.com/WYJzkBhbgr— Will Sommer (@willsommer) January 5, 2018
― Simon H., Friday, 5 January 2018 18:10 (six years ago) link
lol at "known as Sloppy Steve Bannon." He's not "known" as that, you just invented it with your clever brain two hours ago.
― Buttery males (Dan Peterson), Friday, 5 January 2018 18:11 (six years ago) link
vladimir: whether you win or lose, i win, and you losedonald: make it stop!
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 5 January 2018 18:12 (six years ago) link
his nickname doesn't exactly belie the part in the Wolff book which states "When he got on the phone after dinner, he’d speculate on the flaws and weaknesses of each member of his staff. Bannon was disloyal (not to mention he always looks like shit)."
― omar little, Friday, 5 January 2018 18:15 (six years ago) link
First response to that Andy Levy tweet just literally killed me.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Friday, 5 January 2018 18:15 (six years ago) link
After a tiff of this magnitude, you know the Trump/Bannon make-up sex is going to be epic. Not to mention Sloppy.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Friday, 5 January 2018 18:16 (six years ago) link
Eric Garland, momentarily:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hNIX7V21pU
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 5 January 2018 18:19 (six years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSy8g5BXUAEDPRF.jpg
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 5 January 2018 18:30 (six years ago) link
The Wollf book doesn't say anything you don't know if you've read the Times and the Post for the last 18 months. Get over yourselves.— Richard M. Nixon (@dick_nixon) January 5, 2018
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 5 January 2018 18:32 (six years ago) link
I’m sorry I have a question Is the gorilla channel thing real or fake?I thought it was clearly fake but people are talking as if it’s real and I don’t know who’s mistaken. If you don’t know what I’m talking about don’t look it up because it might be fake.— Farhad Manjoo (feat. Drake) (@fmanjoo) January 5, 2018
Manjoo has written about new media,[6] politics,[7] and controversies in journalism.[8]He is the author of the book True Enough: Learning to Live in a Post-Fact Society.[9][10][1
He is the author of the book True Enough: Learning to Live in a Post-Fact Society.[9][10][1
― Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Friday, 5 January 2018 18:33 (six years ago) link
This will not end until Sarah Sanders is asked about it and even then her answer will make it seem like it's real.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 5 January 2018 18:34 (six years ago) link
Poor effort, 2 out of 10.
Dammit guys, I got totally punked on the Gorilla Channel thing - but when you've already gotten to "eating KFC in bed," I mean, we're through the looking glass. Thanks to all who called me out. We keep it clean and Deza-free at Game Theory HQ. 😀— Eric Garland (@ericgarland) January 5, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 5 January 2018 18:37 (six years ago) link
Also good god.
Don’t tweet screenshots of fake text (of book excerpts, court transcripts, etc) even as a joke. You’re making things worse. The jokes just don’t work in a partisan-echo-chamber-feed world where everything is divorced from context and authorship. Also they’re not funny— Farhad Manjoo (feat. Drake) (@fmanjoo) January 5, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 5 January 2018 18:39 (six years ago) link
u mad doggie
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 5 January 2018 18:41 (six years ago) link
however his opinion of pixelated boat is the correct one
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 5 January 2018 18:42 (six years ago) link
disagree
― Simon H., Friday, 5 January 2018 18:42 (six years ago) link
Was looking forward to gorilla channel evolving into a yeah jeets-level meme
― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 5 January 2018 18:43 (six years ago) link
This Wolff interview from this morning is worth watching. My favorite quote is "I absolutely spoke to the president. Whether he realized it was an interview or not, I don't know, but it certainly wasn't off the record."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REEg6Jwmp6s
― grawlix (unperson), Friday, 5 January 2018 18:45 (six years ago) link
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/05/us/politics/christopher-steele-dossier-judiciary-committee.html
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 5 January 2018 18:51 (six years ago) link
Steele must be cursing the day he ever signed on to any of this shit.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 5 January 2018 19:06 (six years ago) link
man, wolff made out like a bandit with this one, good for him
I gotta say I'm pretty glad that the one WH reporter who had the balls to just totally abuse his access and take advantage of these people's general incompetence is making bank here. I can't think of a more deserving group of people to get burned like this.
― frogbs, Friday, 5 January 2018 19:18 (six years ago) link
so the republicans voted for a crooked suspect after all
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 5 January 2018 19:23 (six years ago) link
On the one hand, an ad hoc Gorilla Channel cobbled together by the WH staff just for their boss is sadly not outside of the realm of possibility. On the other, the reaction to Gorilla Channel has demonstrated that even if Trump doesn't succeed in dismantling this country, the average American's dearth of basic critical thinking skills surely will.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Friday, 5 January 2018 19:24 (six years ago) link
In good news for Ohioans, Josh Mandel just dropped out of the Senate race. Not that he was going to beat Brown (he said hopefully) but good fuckin' riddance.
Wow. Huge shakeup for #OHSen. Mandel had a primary challenger who had picked up some nice endorsements but was still heavily favored to win primary. https://t.co/TAqa5LS5aB— Henry J. Gomez (@HenryJGomez) January 5, 2018
― Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Friday, 5 January 2018 19:25 (six years ago) link
xps Luckily, Wolff doesn't represent a news organization which can't afford to torch its WH access. The timidity of most WH reporters to go full ham on Trump is a direct reflection of the timidity of the news organizations behind them.
― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 5 January 2018 19:26 (six years ago) link
how vladimir chuckles sovietly as grassley and lindsay seek to prosecute a british spy and the DOJ investigates hillary's emails (again). thank christ the republicans got their dooH niboR tax cut : )
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 5 January 2018 19:28 (six years ago) link
so the reason Wolff was able to get this much access basically boiled down to him telling Trump, "I'm gonna write a great book about you and your administration", and then just tagging along to everything?
― frogbs, Friday, 5 January 2018 19:29 (six years ago) link
he tom yates-ed him essentially fwiu
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 5 January 2018 19:30 (six years ago) link
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, January 5, 2018 12:51 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
pretty good signal that Senate Rs will do absolutely nothing when/if Mueller gets fired
― frogbs, Friday, 5 January 2018 19:55 (six years ago) link
as always they'll do whatever ALEC and these guys tell them to
https://www.mercatus.org/
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 5 January 2018 19:59 (six years ago) link
Early word is that Grassley's thing is pure stunt. It's about making someone look good, no more.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 5 January 2018 20:06 (six years ago) link
speaking of gorillas, here's a reminder that Trump has been coherent and empathetic enough to express a well-reasoned opinion exactly one time in the last 2.5 years, and it happened to be about Harambe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j6eajHUqA8
also, holy shit what a difference one year has made
― frogbs, Friday, 5 January 2018 20:10 (six years ago) link
I just remembered that yesterday when I was trying to remember if Trump had shown any fondness for animals (given his naked contempt for the entire human race).
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Friday, 5 January 2018 20:11 (six years ago) link
also to give some official sanction to breathless fox news reports about CRIMINAL REFERRALS
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 5 January 2018 20:12 (six years ago) link
That Wolff interview is nuts. I don't watch a lot of tv, but I have to imagine that going on the Today show and saying what he said with such a high level of confidence and zero mincing of words has to be an utter disaster for team Trump.
― Moodles, Friday, 5 January 2018 20:30 (six years ago) link
If you mean that Team Trump's entire weekend is now ruined because they'll be pulling double shifts cleaning up after cwanky baby's widdle tantwums, then yes. If you mean that Team Trump will suffer any substantive consequences as a result of Wolff's book, well...
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Friday, 5 January 2018 20:41 (six years ago) link
For fun!
These Corey Lewandowski book-signing publicity photos are the funniest thing I've seen all year pic.twitter.com/Mppq40qjB2— David A. Graham (@GrahamDavidA) January 5, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 5 January 2018 20:44 (six years ago) link
Mr. Ryan, it seems you have some competition.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Friday, 5 January 2018 20:49 (six years ago) link
If you mean that Team Trump will suffer any substantive consequences
Yeah. Although they may handle the power that comes with the presidency maladroitly compared to any recent administrations (or any administration ever), so long as Team Trump sits in the executive branch and Republicans control Congress, their collective power is only marginally impaired by looking like utter fools in the media. Witness the tax bill they have given us. They gave away $1.5 trillion to their backers. That is the real substance of power.
― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 5 January 2018 20:57 (six years ago) link
This Drew Magary GQ column is worth a read.
Everyone around Donald Trump is too polite to Donald Trump. Democrats, foreign dignitaries, underlings… all of them. And the White House press is perhaps the worst offender. From the media pool playing along with Sarah Sanders during press conferences—conferences where Sanders openly lies and pisses on democracy—to access merchants like Maggie Haberman doling out Trump gossip like so many bread crumbs, too many reporters have been far too deferential to an administration that is brazenly racist, dysfunctional, and corrupt. And for what purpose? It’s clear to me that Haberman and the like aren’t saving up their chits for just the EXACT right time to bring this Administration down. No, the only end goal of their access is continued access, to preserve it indefinitely so that the copy spigot never gets shut off. They are abiding by traditional wink-wink understandings that have long existed between the government and the press covering it.But Wolff didn’t do that. He did not engage in some endless bullshit access tango. No, Wolff actually USED his access, and extended zero courtesy to Trump on the process, and it’s going to pay off for him not just from a book sales standpoint, but from a real journalistic impact. I am utterly sick to death of hearing anonymous reports about people inside the White House “concerned” about the madman currently in charge of everything. These people don’t deserve the courtesy of discretion. They don’t deserve to dictate the terms of coverage to people. They deserve to be torched.
But Wolff didn’t do that. He did not engage in some endless bullshit access tango. No, Wolff actually USED his access, and extended zero courtesy to Trump on the process, and it’s going to pay off for him not just from a book sales standpoint, but from a real journalistic impact. I am utterly sick to death of hearing anonymous reports about people inside the White House “concerned” about the madman currently in charge of everything. These people don’t deserve the courtesy of discretion. They don’t deserve to dictate the terms of coverage to people. They deserve to be torched.
― grawlix (unperson), Friday, 5 January 2018 21:03 (six years ago) link
https://s10.postimg.org/3sh312oll/Gordon_Corey.png
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 5 January 2018 21:07 (six years ago) link
The Wolff book with its descriptions of Trump’s piggish phobias is “What About Bob?” meets Tony Clifton. https://t.co/dW9WeRDsxY— Matt Taibbi (@mtaibbi) January 5, 2018
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 5 January 2018 21:13 (six years ago) link
Hey @pixelatedboat the gorilla channel thing even made it to old timey ass republican talk radio pic.twitter.com/PQ7iD4bcGM— Bill (@AnimeLiteweight) January 5, 2018
― Simon H., Friday, 5 January 2018 21:15 (six years ago) link
Worth noting who else fell for it.
Liberals aren't the only ones falling for gorilla channel pic.twitter.com/cxGvlhCnt6— Will Sommer (@willsommer) January 5, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 5 January 2018 21:18 (six years ago) link
hahahaha
― gbx, Friday, 5 January 2018 21:22 (six years ago) link
Slowly scrolling the page up, seeing the top of 'Gordon' and going "Hello....?"
― Mark G, Friday, 5 January 2018 21:38 (six years ago) link
I NEVER SPOKE TO HIM FOR BOOK
(what accent are we supposed to read comrade combover's twitter bursts in?)
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 5 January 2018 21:51 (six years ago) link
http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2018/01/roy_moore_accusers_home_burns.html
uh
― frogbs, Friday, 5 January 2018 21:53 (six years ago) link
let's sic Uttam Dhillon on the criminals
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 5 January 2018 22:01 (six years ago) link
I NEVER HIM. FOR BOOK.
― Buttery males (Dan Peterson), Friday, 5 January 2018 22:06 (six years ago) link
Some news from Australia
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/romantic-encounter-set-off-australias-role-in-triggering-donald-trump-investigation-20180105-h0e34r.html
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 5 January 2018 22:16 (six years ago) link
I like the newspaper's URL, fits the mood of the news
― Moodles, Friday, 5 January 2018 22:22 (six years ago) link
smh indeed
― Hadrian VIII, Friday, 5 January 2018 22:23 (six years ago) link
Nicole Panter's take (or at least she posted it):
https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/17796478_10154456356971485_3594357894815632604_n.jpg?oh=9e5ab395f98574707b315cdf45337034&oe=5AF36868
― nickn, Friday, 5 January 2018 22:29 (six years ago) link
after the republican senators subpoena the british spy for lying to them, are they going after jared kushner for lying on his security clearance forms? or is that a states' rights issue?
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 5 January 2018 22:30 (six years ago) link
That fire is some dodgy shit.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 5 January 2018 22:39 (six years ago) link
I hate pixelatedboat and wish he would go away with his dumb ass tweets
― Joan Digimon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 5 January 2018 22:44 (six years ago) link
like it's not actually funny in this day and age this gorilla hoax now is going to be accepted as fact and discreditng to the book by all those morons
Pay Steele to investigate Trump since you don't want him to get your own party's nomination. When he wins the presidency go oh shit and press charges to try and cover up the fact you originally funded the dossier.
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 5 January 2018 22:45 (six years ago) link
lmao Wolff opens his book with a "enhhh some of this is bullshit" note and some of y'all are worried about joke tweets
― Simon H., Friday, 5 January 2018 22:46 (six years ago) link
Spotted in the new Michael Wolff book about Trump: A Four Seasons breakfast featuring "Washington Post national reporter Mark Berman"(I have never had breakfast at the Four Seasons, never actually been there) (but now I wonder if I can use this to go eat there and expense it?) pic.twitter.com/bWgVAwrEfj— Mark Berman (@markberman) January 5, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 5 January 2018 22:47 (six years ago) link
― Joan Digimon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, January 5, 2018 10:44 PM (fifty-eight seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Uhm hey, the fact that morons will accept this as fact is not something to blame pixelatedboat for? That's a rather absurd take. He's not to blame for the stupidity of others, no matter how funny or unfunny you find him.
― ♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 5 January 2018 22:48 (six years ago) link
We need more Veblen jokes in the world:
Resharing an article I wrote a long time ago about an incident that made me a permanent nihilist about the internet, an article that is suddenly relevant again thanks to @pixelatedboat: https://t.co/qFQ2ncarw7— Kaleb Horton (@kalebhorton) January 5, 2018
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wd4bgz/i-accidentally-fooled-conservative-twitter-with-a-fake-lena-dunham-quote-106
https://assets.vice.com/content-images/contentimage/189811/1.jpg
― Google Murray Blockchain (kingfish), Friday, 5 January 2018 22:48 (six years ago) link
― ♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, January 5, 2018 4:48 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
he knows exactly how it will be usedhe's not to "blame" for the stupidity of others but he's not dumb and he should know this stuff will go exactly how it does
― Joan Digimon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 5 January 2018 22:54 (six years ago) link
otm
― the late great, Friday, 5 January 2018 22:55 (six years ago) link
That's a bizarre pov to me. Because the legion of morons has grown, because a lot of people are dumbasses, the people who (on this subject) aren't have to exercise inhibition?
This is how the terrorists win man. Jeez.
― ♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 5 January 2018 22:58 (six years ago) link
they don't make thorstein veblens in wisconsin anymore :(
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 5 January 2018 22:58 (six years ago) link
all I can say is lordy I hope there are tapes
― frogbs, Friday, 5 January 2018 23:00 (six years ago) link
This is why I coined the phrase “teachable moment”. People really need to be reminded not to readily share stuff because it confirms a narrative they like unfortunately. Online libs and leftists haven’t been great at this.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, 5 January 2018 23:03 (six years ago) link
I absolutely guarantee that the gorilla channel thing was not a deliberate hoax and that pixelatedboat did not expect anyone to believe it, any more than he expected people to believe his fake Hillary book excerpt where she executes a cattle rustler onstage in Oklahoma.
― JRN, Friday, 5 January 2018 23:05 (six years ago) link
I mean, the thing has Donald Trump sitting four inches from a TV, watching a fake TV channel that consists entirely of gorilla fights, and saying "the way you hit that other gorilla was good". I realize we're living in exceptionally stupid times, but it is far from obvious that people would believe that.
― JRN, Friday, 5 January 2018 23:08 (six years ago) link
A tweeter (I don't dare call him a comedian even, he's a jokeboy) makes fun of the dumbest president ever, and thousands of Americans fall for it. And to some the lesson here is: the jokester should've refrained? I have no words.
― ♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 5 January 2018 23:09 (six years ago) link
we need to arrest the messengers, not the traitors
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 5 January 2018 23:13 (six years ago) link
i think the main point is that the twitter account that is a boat is really unfunny
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 5 January 2018 23:17 (six years ago) link
Wonder if this new display name will help. Probably not.— the gorilla channel thing is a joke (@pixelatedboat) January 5, 2018
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 5 January 2018 23:18 (six years ago) link
The only people you're gonna ultimately punk with a fake book passage are those unwilling/unable to read an actual book. Like, I'm hard-pressed to think of many 'hoaxes' that could be more easily disproven.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Friday, 5 January 2018 23:19 (six years ago) link
This’ll probably do better than Viceland https://www.pscp.tv/w/1DXxyEeArRExM
― maura, Friday, 5 January 2018 23:19 (six years ago) link
Maybe 'Did you hear?! The sky is green now, omg!'
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Friday, 5 January 2018 23:20 (six years ago) link
we must hold michael wolff to a higher standard of honesty than we do comrade combover, or the KGB will win!
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 5 January 2018 23:33 (six years ago) link
We should stop telling stories because some people will believe the wrong ones
― El Tomboto, Friday, 5 January 2018 23:37 (six years ago) link
now just wait till my detectives return from hawaii with proof the president was born in kenya
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 5 January 2018 23:48 (six years ago) link
we must hold michael wolff to a higher standard of honesty than we do comrade combover
The word "we" is functioning strangely in that sentence. Are you speaking of the same "we" each time?
I am more than happy to hold both of them to a high standard of honesty. Complaining of one and not the other when their fault is the same is generally held to be hypocrisy. Having committed myself to abhorring Trump's daily lies and distortions, I feel it is only right to abhor any similar lies or distortions disseminated in the name of journalism.
The next pertinent question becomes the degree of similarity between each liar, especially in terms of how much damage their lies do. Trump wins easily on that account, but that fact doesn't excuse lesser lies by less powerful people; it only assigns them their proper level of importance. See also: "when Bush lied, people died."
― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 5 January 2018 23:49 (six years ago) link
we are tired of liberals punching down. here's a changing story
July 2017 Lindsey Graham Threatens Trump: "Any Effort to Go After Mueller Could Be the Beginning of the End of the Trump Presidency"
October 2017: Lindsey Graham: There 'will be holy hell to pay' if Trump fires Mueller
December 10th: Plays golf with Trump
December 31st: Graham: "I've spent some time in the last couple of days, after a lot of fighting with the Department of Justice, to get the background on the dossier, and here's what I can tell your viewers: I'm very disturbed about what the Department of Justice did with this dossier, and we need a special counsel to look into that, because that's not in Mueller's charter. And what I saw, and what I've gathered in the last couple of days, bothers me a lot, and I'd like somebody outside DOJ to look into how this dossier was handled and what they did with it."
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 5 January 2018 23:56 (six years ago) link
Soooo what’s the surprise or newsworthy thing from changing Graham statements? The GOP as a whole has been a largely rightwing authoritarian group for like five decades.
Expecting Graham or McCain or whothefuckever to really break away seems to cling to some weird desperate ideological need you see from a lot of high-status Establishment media types that a Sensible Republican exists because they just can’t be all bad, can they?!1?
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Saturday, 6 January 2018 00:14 (six years ago) link
I don't think the gorilla thing is a hoax
― But doctor, I am Camille Paglia (Bananaman Begins), Saturday, 6 January 2018 00:17 (six years ago) link
LBI consistently and thoroughly OTM here
get a grip people
― Number None, Saturday, 6 January 2018 00:17 (six years ago) link
Media hype(twitter-fueled or otherwise) around the Wolff book reached such a fever pitch yesterday that the local paper ran a story solely on how to get ahold of a copy
http://www.oregonlive.com/books/index.ssf/2018/01/where_to_buy_the_explosive_new.html
So we got a media spectacle around a media spectacle based on a media spectacle administration
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Saturday, 6 January 2018 00:17 (six years ago) link
The gorilla story is not far off from this imo
While The Gorilla Channel is unfortunately fiction, here's a very real thing: a 1997 New Yorker excerpt where Trump turns off the movie Michael so he could put on Bloodsport, then makes Don Jr. or Eric fastforward so it was only fight scenes.https://t.co/fgI0SjIkxJ pic.twitter.com/gpBaj8BLfZ— Ben Collins (@oneunderscore__) January 5, 2018
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Saturday, 6 January 2018 00:18 (six years ago) link
Graham is up in 2020 so I wonder if he got some polling that suggests he needs to enthrall himself to dear leader or get the boot? Either way it might be best to stop assuming these people act rationally.
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Saturday, 6 January 2018 00:20 (six years ago) link
tbf Bloodsport is an awesome flick
― Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Saturday, 6 January 2018 00:22 (six years ago) link
shame on trump for turning off the modern film classic Michael
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 6 January 2018 00:25 (six years ago) link
Lol @ caring if stuff in the book is true btw
― But doctor, I am Camille Paglia (Bananaman Begins), Saturday, 6 January 2018 00:29 (six years ago) link
It is hard not to conclude that something is happening at the @nytimes. pic.twitter.com/EKZMYZf1G5— John Hodgman (@hodgman) January 5, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 6 January 2018 00:30 (six years ago) link
did anyone else order the book yesterday? amazon gave me a delivery estimate just now of the *end of the month*
also, LBI you severely underestimate the stupidity of the vast majority of americans and their tendency on every side to cotton to information that confirms their world viewnot saying pixelated boat shouldn't have made the fake excerptbut maybe not on the day of?then again, who caresthis book will not convince any trump supporters of anything or change anyone's mindit's pure fan fiction, whether it's true or notit's a fun **distraction** (sorry to use that word)
― flappy bird, Saturday, 6 January 2018 00:33 (six years ago) link
lol i forgot about john hodgmanis he a republicanT now
Re unemployment - shit is 4.1% hardly any need for massive tax cut stimulus but again, nobody is acting rationally these days
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Saturday, 6 January 2018 00:34 (six years ago) link
John hodgeman is awesome and I’m not sure if you’re making a joke or serious with a confusing T added in there.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 6 January 2018 00:46 (six years ago) link
yea that part was a joke but i had not heard about john hodgman in a while and thought he might've done a ben stein/dennis miller
― flappy bird, Saturday, 6 January 2018 00:53 (six years ago) link
Yeah, I ordered it from B&N online (because they take Paypal and Amazon doesn't) and it says "Expected Delivery January 15, 2018 EST" because the book itself is marked "Temporarily out of stock online...This item will be available on January 10, 2018". We'll see. I already grabbed the epub version from the Mediafire link upthread.
― grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 6 January 2018 00:53 (six years ago) link
in fairness Bloodsport is a way better movie than Michael
― Joan Digimon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 6 January 2018 01:06 (six years ago) link
it sure the fuck is
― Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Saturday, 6 January 2018 01:09 (six years ago) link
Yeah but he fast-forwards over some of the best scenes!!
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Saturday, 6 January 2018 01:11 (six years ago) link
hardly any need for massive tax cut stimulus but again, nobody is acting rationally these days
every democrat in the house and senate voted against that massive tax cut stimulus. this appears as a rational act to me.
― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 6 January 2018 01:18 (six years ago) link
I got my copy yo, courtesy of Hudson Booksellers. I regret it already. Xp
― treeship 2, Saturday, 6 January 2018 01:23 (six years ago) link
thought he might've done a ben stein/dennis miller
Stein worked for Nixon and Ford BTW.
― Never Learn To Mike Love (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 6 January 2018 01:32 (six years ago) link
surely we've seen 'the good parts' of that book already
i believe Sotosyn watched Bloodsport the same way
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 6 January 2018 01:39 (six years ago) link
Also pixelated boat is great: Tiny train world, milkshake duck and now the gorilla channel, all within one year? Privileged 2 be living in this time
― But doctor, I am Camille Paglia (Bananaman Begins), Saturday, 6 January 2018 01:43 (six years ago) link
I expect Sotosyn to tell me which parts of Bloodsport I should miss.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 6 January 2018 01:45 (six years ago) link
"Don't let him piss off the press, don't let him piss off the Republican Party, don't threaten congressmen because they will fuck you if you do, and most of all don't let him piss off the intel community," said one national Republican figure to Kushner. "If you fuck with the intel community they will figure out a way to get back at you and you'll have two or three years of a Russia investigation, and every day something else will leak out."
― reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 6 January 2018 01:52 (six years ago) link
#FireAndFury is is so obviously sleazy, questionably reported gossip by a millionaire journalist so un-self-consciously dodgy he can boast its filled w/ lies in the intro. And 2 whole days for delivery seemed way too long so I downloaded it on Kindle. pic.twitter.com/VLmCqiWqxC— Matt Harvey (@mattharveyt) January 5, 2018
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Saturday, 6 January 2018 01:56 (six years ago) link
go work on your fastball movement, matt
― mookieproof, Saturday, 6 January 2018 01:58 (six years ago) link
also, LBI you severely underestimate the stupidity of the vast majority of americans and their tendency on every side to cotton to information that confirms their world viewnot saying pixelated boat shouldn't have made the fake excerptbut maybe not on the day of?
― flappy bird, Saturday, January 6, 2018 12:33 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I *underestimate* the stupidity of Americans?! That's a new one... If anything I overestimate it probably. There's just so much stupidity. I'm aware of how stupid swathes of Americans are. More than I wished for tbh, as stupid Americans are p much unavoidable.
That still doesn't mean pixelatedboat can't make a rather clever joke that goes on to prove those swathes fall for it and believe it to be true. That's what makes it a good joke.
And you, too, are now saying he could make the joke, some day, but *not on the day of*? He should've waited a day? A week? A year? What is this nonsense? Guy makes a joke, people fall for it, but you reprimand him for making the joke, instead of reprimanding the dumb ppl falling for it. He didn't deny the holocaust, it wasn't even ~edgy~. He made a dumb joke and ppl fell for it. I thought the dumb people falling for it said a lot about America(ns) today - which alone makes the joke worth the while - but it seems to say even more about how people opposed to Trump, people on here considered not dumb, are bothered by it, and think twitter person pixelatedboat should not have made the joke because dumb people will believe it.
"Not on the day of" smdh. Good luck USA...
― ♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Saturday, 6 January 2018 01:59 (six years ago) link
boat recognise boat
― Choco Blavatsky (seandalai), Saturday, 6 January 2018 02:09 (six years ago) link
ehh i don't know what point i was trying to make. "accommodate the stupidity"? nvm...
― flappy bird, Saturday, 6 January 2018 02:13 (six years ago) link
legit lol :D
I'll bow out. I don't care about dumb Americans and the 'this furnur saying stuff on 'ere' feeling is palpable (another win for Trump). What does concern me is people I thought sensible on here saying some joke boy should've withheld bcz dumb people.
― ♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Saturday, 6 January 2018 02:13 (six years ago) link
Flappy, you don't know what point you were trying to make?
Ok...
On phone so can't do it, can somebody excelsior 'boat recognise boat' for me ? Ta.
― But doctor, I am Camille Paglia (Bananaman Begins), Saturday, 6 January 2018 02:20 (six years ago) link
I considered wasting my night reading the epub of the Wolff book but I've opted for drinking beer and playing videogames instead.</stupidamerican>
Y'know, a thread where we, as Americans, discuss the stupidity of Americans with non-Americans might be cool. (drinks more beer)
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Saturday, 6 January 2018 02:22 (six years ago) link
sure do love a beer
― But doctor, I am Camille Paglia (Bananaman Begins), Saturday, 6 January 2018 02:39 (six years ago) link
pic.twitter.com/0N8066auOZ— Super Deluxe (@superdeluxe) January 5, 2018
― flappy bird, Saturday, 6 January 2018 03:57 (six years ago) link
I take back everything I said, today was important
― flappy bird, Saturday, 6 January 2018 03:58 (six years ago) link
Once again, a meme understood it better than I did
― flappy bird, Saturday, 6 January 2018 03:59 (six years ago) link
please stop calling our customer service hotline to ask if we have The Gorilla Channel— Netflix US (@netflix) January 6, 2018
― Sanpaku, Saturday, 6 January 2018 04:03 (six years ago) link
I think the question is when they're going to have it
― flappy bird, Saturday, 6 January 2018 04:06 (six years ago) link
I mean, it's only a matter of time. thank you, pixelated boat (sincerely).
Guess who!
We just made the fake Trump Gorilla Channel a reality. Go bananas watching it here. https://t.co/0fokgdkUri— VICE News (@vicenews) January 5, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 6 January 2018 04:07 (six years ago) link
Hey does anyone know what it looks like when reality begins to dissolve, because I think that's what I'm seeing right now.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Saturday, 6 January 2018 04:08 (six years ago) link
Honestly, Trump might grow from reflecting on this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tz0avWZoqjg
― Sanpaku, Saturday, 6 January 2018 04:09 (six years ago) link
politics is comedy now("now").ha!
― flappy bird, Saturday, 6 January 2018 04:11 (six years ago) link
ugh brands
― mookieproof, Saturday, 6 January 2018 04:12 (six years ago) link
what it looks like when reality begins to dissolve
as with covfefe, people will soon tire of gorillas fighting. I give it two more days to peak and the reverb will last three weeks at most. and take heart. ridicule is a powerful poison and Trump is absorbing heroic doses of it.
― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 6 January 2018 04:20 (six years ago) link
Just remembered when Pixelated Boat got attacked for being in favor of gun control in his mentions because “gun control is bad” became the more woke position somehow.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Saturday, 6 January 2018 04:21 (six years ago) link
After "boat recognize boat" I think we can basically shut down ILX. That's the zenith.
― Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Saturday, 6 January 2018 04:23 (six years ago) link
> when reality begins to dissolve
Laughter has always been a defense mechanism. Personally, I've felt trapped in an absurd timeline miasma for 422 days.
Spare a thought for those of us in red states. While those of you on the coasts at least have company in your misery, many of us know that our neighbors, coworkers, and hell, people we otherwise might depend on overwhelmingly voted for this. I look at the people around me, and know that 55.3% of them, and probably 70% of the Caucasians, looked an profoundly ignorant, sociopathic, malignant narcissist buffoon in the face, and decided to vote for him. Its like living in The Village from The Prisoner.
Honestly, I don't know how I will heal until all those who voted for him offer me personal apologies.
― Sanpaku, Saturday, 6 January 2018 04:29 (six years ago) link
Michael Wolff is a total loser who made up stories in order to sell this really boring and untruthful book. He used Sloppy Steve Bannon, who cried when he got fired and begged for his job. Now Sloppy Steve has been dumped like a dog by almost everyone. Too bad! https://t.co/mEeUhk5ZV9— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 6, 2018
not exactly helping your case here, Don
― frogbs, Saturday, 6 January 2018 04:37 (six years ago) link
trump is such a dick
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 6 January 2018 04:42 (six years ago) link
putting everything else aside, just imagine overhearing someone saying that to someone else. you'd be like "god, what a dick"
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 6 January 2018 04:43 (six years ago) link
as with covfefe, people will soon tire of gorillas fighting.
people are still saying covfefe!
― new noise, Saturday, 6 January 2018 04:43 (six years ago) link
but those people are wrong and need to stop
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 6 January 2018 04:45 (six years ago) link
dumped like a dog?
― jmm, Saturday, 6 January 2018 04:46 (six years ago) link
untruthful, maybe, but boring? come on. (to be fair, when you have the attention span of a hyperactive 3-year old I guess every book is boring)
― frogbs, Saturday, 6 January 2018 04:49 (six years ago) link
I'm sure right-wing media is gonna spend the next two weeks ripping apart every minor detail in order to discredit this thing, but lordy, if there are tapes...
― frogbs, Saturday, 6 January 2018 04:51 (six years ago) link
i would rank the possibility that trump read that book today at 0%
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Saturday, 6 January 2018 04:53 (six years ago) link
He Tweeted "Sloppy" I Think He Missed The Poll, la Poll, la Poll laaaa
― Never Learn To Mike Love (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 6 January 2018 04:54 (six years ago) link
why would he need to read it, he was there, he knows what really happened, he has one of the best memories ever, etc.
― j., Saturday, 6 January 2018 04:57 (six years ago) link
choking, cheating, begging for money, getting fired......all the classic shit dogs are constantly doing. pic.twitter.com/GCxuDigKJB— bobby 👖 (@bobby) January 6, 2018
― j., Saturday, 6 January 2018 04:59 (six years ago) link
I'm fairly convinced that most of the people who excitedly voted for Trump were fueled by the idea of siccing their worst and most hated neighbor/coworker/boss/relative on that uppity lady candidate. I can't imagine that most of them actually like him as a person (and certainly would never want to share a beer with him, or drink a beer in his weirdly teetotaling company, rather). He's like that feral pit bull you keep locked up in your tool shed. He's a straight-up unlikable sumbitch, but goddammit he gets the job done.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Saturday, 6 January 2018 05:10 (six years ago) link
My god, though, he's such a magnificently reactive brainstem! He just keeps hyping this book that makes him look like a total ass! Dude, it's already the #1 book in the country, don't oversell.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Saturday, 6 January 2018 05:12 (six years ago) link
He's like that feral pit bull you keep locked up in your tool shed
this was maybe not the best metaphor at this particular juncture in time
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 6 January 2018 05:12 (six years ago) link
Donald Trump is nothing like a pit bull. A pit bull raised in privilege and comfort like Trump would be a loyal, affectionate and playful creature.
― treeship 2, Saturday, 6 January 2018 05:28 (six years ago) link
He Tweeted "Sloppy" I Think He Missed The Poll, la Poll, la Poll laaaa― Never Learn To Mike Love (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 6 January 2018 04:54 (thirty-two minutes ago) Permalink
― Never Learn To Mike Love (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 6 January 2018 04:54 (thirty-two minutes ago) Permalink
hard lol
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Saturday, 6 January 2018 05:30 (six years ago) link
In honor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qf1sy002-lc
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 6 January 2018 05:31 (six years ago) link
Why does that sound to me like a remix of the Miami Vice theme
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 6 January 2018 06:24 (six years ago) link
Pubic Fruit
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Saturday, 6 January 2018 06:31 (six years ago) link
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 6 January 2018 06:31 (six years ago) link
his dog thing always makes me think of the end of the trial. the perfect authoritarian tic
― difficult listening hour, Saturday, 6 January 2018 07:12 (six years ago) link
untruthful, maybe, but boring? come on.
In fairness to the Circus Peanut in Chief, I find everything about our historical moment and his bad burlesque-act reign truly, deeply, motherfucking boring.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 6 January 2018 08:31 (six years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSzjjslXUAEmF0-.jpg
is he saying the book is full of lies or is he saying, different perspectives from different sources with different interests don't tally and are sometimes purposefully deceitful? it's the latter
― "Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Saturday, 6 January 2018 08:55 (six years ago) link
It is the latter, but why start reading-comprehension-shaming now?
― Andrew Farrell, Saturday, 6 January 2018 09:11 (six years ago) link
I assumed that when Trump says "like a dog" it's a euphemism for "like a bitch" cf the Access Hollywood tape (evidence that he's capable of at least some level of self-censorship?)
― soref, Saturday, 6 January 2018 09:36 (six years ago) link
I keep catching myself singing "I saw my Bannon getting sloppy", and grossing myself out.
― Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Saturday, 6 January 2018 09:45 (six years ago) link
....Actually, throughout my life, my two greatest assets have been mental stability and being, like, really smart. Crooked Hillary Clinton also played these cards very hard and, as everyone knows, went down in flames. I went from VERY successful businessman, to top T.V. Star.....— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 6, 2018
....to President of the United States (on my first try). I think that would qualify as not smart, but genius....and a very stable genius at that!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 6, 2018
― pomenitul, Saturday, 6 January 2018 14:16 (six years ago) link
stable genius = horse's ass
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Saturday, 6 January 2018 14:18 (six years ago) link
Love this guy
― treeship 2, Saturday, 6 January 2018 14:20 (six years ago) link
"and being, like, really smart"
― ♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Saturday, 6 January 2018 14:20 (six years ago) link
'First try' – riiight. He already ran in 2000, back when universal healthcare was part of his platform.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 6 January 2018 14:21 (six years ago) link
Late to the monkey party, but why in the world would anyone find the gorilla channel story implausible? I mean, you can find footage of Trump talking to Rudy in drag, Trump in overalls singing the green acres theme ... pretty much everything about Trump is completely ridiculous from head/hair to hands, so why not apes?
Anyway, he's a genius, geniuses are weird.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 6 January 2018 14:26 (six years ago) link
a man with a spiral combover is capable of anything
― reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 6 January 2018 14:30 (six years ago) link
Going the full Fredo, pretty great.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 6 January 2018 14:32 (six years ago) link
Seriously. It's like the Godfather if everyone was Fredo. http://s.quickmeme.com/img/6c/6c3a118d3e47bd95c9e148fd0632933cf02eb7b2c9916d1e9577e091c0bfb611.jpg
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 6 January 2018 14:34 (six years ago) link
And you know if Trump drank he would drink banana daiquiris.
Oh goodness gracious. We can be civil, cheerful, respectful to & friends with people who don’t share our religious beliefs. Sometimes, we even marry them. I’m a Methodist & my husband is Jewish, thank you for asking. A very happy New Year to you Rhonda! https://t.co/8UH9SP8EWO— Chelsea Clinton (@ChelseaClinton) January 3, 2018
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 6 January 2018 14:41 (six years ago) link
the washington post ran an op ed begging people to not read the “trashy” wolff bookit was written by a mucky muck at... citizens united! (the one who wrote the book with lewandowski. it was of course plugged.)they’re not even TRYING to hide it
― maura, Saturday, 6 January 2018 14:43 (six years ago) link
xpost I guess that was in response to some Trump supporter accusing her of being a Satanist after goofing around on twitter.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 6 January 2018 14:44 (six years ago) link
we're p much in Star Wars Ep 2 at this point, politically speaking
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Saturday, 6 January 2018 14:46 (six years ago) link
will all the dominionist evangelical preachers in the land read 'fire and fury' from the pulpit approvingly?
― reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 6 January 2018 14:46 (six years ago) link
Actually typing "like, really smart" = deliberate wind-up even more than usual.
― nashwan, Saturday, 6 January 2018 14:48 (six years ago) link
More like "Smart? Like, really?"
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 6 January 2018 14:50 (six years ago) link
I want Trump to be so smart, so intensely smart, that his head explodes, like in "Scanners."
that isn't why the head exploded in Scanners
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Saturday, 6 January 2018 14:57 (six years ago) link
maybe fox will add blipverts. that cause of head explosion seems more up trumps alley
― maura, Saturday, 6 January 2018 15:12 (six years ago) link
― ♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre),
I love the comma placement; he's been getting grammar lessons.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 6 January 2018 15:18 (six years ago) link
Fun times for the family!
BREAKING NEWS: The SEC is investigating the real-estate company run by Jared Kushner's family for its use of the EB-5 federal investment-for-visa program https://t.co/aE0DHm6yE2— Citizens for Ethics (@CREWcrew) January 6, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 6 January 2018 15:19 (six years ago) link
https://media.giphy.com/media/3ohzdZScea8JBm8hck/giphy.gif
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 6 January 2018 15:20 (six years ago) link
xpost yeah the formal evals of his recent tweets point to a ghost tweeter. but content evals are confusing, no ghost is that stupid.
― Hunt3r, Saturday, 6 January 2018 15:24 (six years ago) link
"like, really smart" is a bit he's done in many campaign speeches and public appearances, his ppl love it
― gbx, Saturday, 6 January 2018 15:30 (six years ago) link
his ppl think all rich people are really smart unlike poor scientists
― reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 6 January 2018 15:37 (six years ago) link
I choose to believe that's Kellyanne C. in Alfred's gif (on a really good bags-under-eyes day).
― WilliamC, Saturday, 6 January 2018 15:46 (six years ago) link
so is little jeff sessions getting fired this weekend? 1/2 term invited everyone to camp david but jeffy
― reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 6 January 2018 15:51 (six years ago) link
Trump in overalls singing the green acres theme
now wait a second
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 6 January 2018 16:06 (six years ago) link
“Je suis un génie”, “Ich bin ein sehr stabiles genie" and more #stablegenius headlines from France, Germany, U.K., The Netherlands,... pic.twitter.com/NuvpdnTiiE— Vladimir Duthiers (@vladduthiersCBS) January 6, 2018
― j., Saturday, 6 January 2018 16:18 (six years ago) link
I lolled earlier when I saw the headline « Accusé d’être fou, Trump fait son propre éloge et se qualifie de «génie très stable »
"accused of being crazy" not *really* what's been said in English but still I lolled
― droit au butt (Euler), Saturday, 6 January 2018 16:25 (six years ago) link
we are all watching the gorilla channel
― Hadrian VIII, Saturday, 6 January 2018 16:26 (six years ago) link
we are the gorilla channel
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Saturday, 6 January 2018 16:33 (six years ago) link
we are the 801
― reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 6 January 2018 16:35 (six years ago) link
ich bin ein harambe
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Saturday, 6 January 2018 16:35 (six years ago) link
“1/2 term”?
― flappy bird, Saturday, 6 January 2018 16:36 (six years ago) link
wishful thinking. 1 termer, maybe
― akm, Saturday, 6 January 2018 16:39 (six years ago) link
that could be wishful if you read Newsweek's Joe Biden opinion piece
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 6 January 2018 16:54 (six years ago) link
8 years baby
― flappy bird, Saturday, 6 January 2018 16:56 (six years ago) link
Mr. Ed was a stable genius too.
― failsun ra (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 6 January 2018 17:01 (six years ago) link
that's pretty funny/clever.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 6 January 2018 17:02 (six years ago) link
I Dream of Genius
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 6 January 2018 17:03 (six years ago) link
nah i think he'll get life (no parole)
― reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 6 January 2018 17:07 (six years ago) link
Well if Chait is worried about it then I think I'm... not at all:http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/01/republicans-weaponizing-the-law-against-trumps-enemies.html
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 6 January 2018 17:08 (six years ago) link
This whiplash conversion among Never-Trumpers to "Dear Leader" collective—esp. in aftermath of getting their tax bill through—makes me worried that there is something more nefarious than "party before country" at play.
What kind of dirt is being leveraged on all these creeps?
― Hadrian VIII, Saturday, 6 January 2018 18:01 (six years ago) link
they have no other alternative. trump is a horrific empty shell of a dipshit, but he also merely an amplification of the direction the republican party was heading toward anyway
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 6 January 2018 18:08 (six years ago) link
sure, they could all revert to never-trumpism and support some polite looking godfearing midwestern white man who wants to ban abortions for president in 2020 or 2024. but they'd still have to deal with the fact that a huge portion of their base, maybe even the majority, clearly has more enthusiasm for a loudmouthed buffoon whose calling card is winning the race to the bottom before most others realized it was a competition. if trump doesn't run again, surely SOME other figure on the fringe will try to pick up where he left off, maybe ditching the Dumbest Person in the World bits and keeping the racism and xenophobia.
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 6 January 2018 18:14 (six years ago) link
I'm not so sure anymore. I recall reading last year that the risk entailed in accurately tracing Trump crimes back through Felix Sater et al is compromising countless other investigations, blowing hard earned, decades-long deep covers, exposing too many global financial institutions, etc.
Is it possible that the oligarchic reach is so pervasive that to disrupt it would destabilize markets and upset governments on a scale that discourages investigation?
― Hadrian VIII, Saturday, 6 January 2018 18:16 (six years ago) link
Drain the swamp!
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 6 January 2018 18:19 (six years ago) link
so he's having some kind of kiss-the-ring summit in Camp David, to which Jeffy was not invited?
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 6 January 2018 18:21 (six years ago) link
too oligarchical to fail
― j., Saturday, 6 January 2018 18:22 (six years ago) link
if that were true, wouldn't democrats be just as concerned about it as republicans? most of them seem perfectly willing to criticize trump. the simpler answer is that republican politicians really are the opportunistic, bootlicking assholes that they have always appeared to me, at least during my lifetime.
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 6 January 2018 18:22 (six years ago) link
Maybe many of them are.
― Hadrian VIII, Saturday, 6 January 2018 18:24 (six years ago) link
Lindsey Graham won 56% of the vote in '14 SC primary. The runner-up had 15%. The president's approval rating hovers around 37%. Graham will not face another challenge until 2020. '
I smell gay tape.
― Hadrian VIII, Saturday, 6 January 2018 18:27 (six years ago) link
FWIW, I haven't seen much of this Never-Trumper rush to kiss boots myself. Pretty much all the usual suspects are usual-suspecting.
Anyway, the Wolff himself:
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/michael-wolff-reflects-a-wild-week-trumps-anger-i-have-no-side-q-a-1072106
And I have zero reason to doubt this is how it went down:
I literally think you go in there and say, "I'm writing a book," and they go, "Oh. A book." It's like a cloak of invisibility. And then also they would do this thing that would be like, "Oh, this is off the record." And I would say, "I would like to use it for the book." And they would say, "Well, when does that come out?" And I would say, "Next year." "Oh, oh, yeah, OK, fine."
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 6 January 2018 18:32 (six years ago) link
Also, in response to a question about his sources apparently still in the WH and how Trump is allegedly reacting:
I hear that the president is very angry, or, let me be precise: I hear that he is truly bouncing off the walls.
I...like imagining this.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 6 January 2018 18:33 (six years ago) link
And I mean, is he wrong?
I remember when the Murdoch book came out and Murdoch's guy [former News Corp. marketing and corporate affairs exec] Gary Ginsberg, called me, furious, and said, "What is this? The book is all about him!" I said, "It's a biography." And Ginsberg says, "But it's so personal." That's when I realized, these guys don't just not read books — they don't know what books are.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 6 January 2018 18:35 (six years ago) link
Wasn't Graham a Never-Trumper? Yesterday he recommended Christopher Steele for criminal investigation.
― Hadrian VIII, Saturday, 6 January 2018 18:41 (six years ago) link
I realize he has maintained a disapproving tone wrt Trump but this is pretty boot-kissy where it most counts
― Hadrian VIII, Saturday, 6 January 2018 18:42 (six years ago) link
they could all revert to never-trumpism and support some polite looking godfearing midwestern white man who wants to ban abortions for president in 2020 or 2024.
I, for one, think abortions should have every right to run for president.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 6 January 2018 18:46 (six years ago) link
i read wolff’s book overnight and the only part which stretched credulity was bannon claiming that he didn’t drink
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 6 January 2018 18:49 (six years ago) link
I've seen a couple of people insist that's the case before -- Haberman among them -- so who knows? Maybe he doesn't! Maybe he looks fucked up naturally.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 6 January 2018 18:51 (six years ago) link
i mean maybe he’s graduated from drinking regular-people alcohol and just drinks white spirit or huffs gasoline or something
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 6 January 2018 18:53 (six years ago) link
palpatine didn't drink either afaik and he looked bad.
― Hunt3r, Saturday, 6 January 2018 18:54 (six years ago) link
"Do you drink?" "Only to excess".
https://www.you.tube.com/watch?v=t7w5S3Saqog
― Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Saturday, 6 January 2018 18:55 (six years ago) link
one thing about trump’s tweets from earlier today dismissively mentioning the ‘reagan playbook’ that whoever wrote them seems to have overlooked is that reagan was in serious mental decline...
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 6 January 2018 18:56 (six years ago) link
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 6 January 2018 18:57 (six years ago) link
along with the romney at dinner ambush picture, this is another iconic political photo of the 21st century, imo:
https://i.imgur.com/BBPCvZo.jpg
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 6 January 2018 18:58 (six years ago) link
haunting
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 6 January 2018 19:01 (six years ago) link
Think your question was just answered there, bizarro.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 6 January 2018 19:02 (six years ago) link
huh i just noticed for the first time that bannon’s wearing his usual two-shirts uniform there
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 6 January 2018 19:02 (six years ago) link
bonny two-shirts
― Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 6 January 2018 19:03 (six years ago) link
Two shirts, no trousers. :(
― Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Saturday, 6 January 2018 19:04 (six years ago) link
dorky piggin it
― Men's Scarehouse - "You're gonna like the way you're shook." (m bison), Saturday, 6 January 2018 19:21 (six years ago) link
I believe Bannon said he doesn't drink
― Moodles, Saturday, 6 January 2018 19:23 (six years ago) link
Bannon doesn't drink. He damages his brain by worshipping his own thinking.
― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 6 January 2018 19:27 (six years ago) link
Guys what happens if Bannon primaries Trump
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 6 January 2018 19:30 (six years ago) link
Trump would trounce Bannon in the primaries. But they'd 100% control the discourse.
― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 6 January 2018 19:31 (six years ago) link
(l-r) donald j trump, stephen k bannon
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 6 January 2018 19:36 (six years ago) link
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/avp/images/1/16/AVP_Whoever_Wins...We_Lose.jpg
Read the whole thread:
This book is poorly reported claptrap, and I'm seriously considering canceling my date tonight so that I can read my ePub :)
― Frederik B, Saturday, 6 January 2018 20:34 (six years ago) link
holy shit, it wasn't him but somebody with the same name!? omg, this changes everything!
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 6 January 2018 20:45 (six years ago) link
This book is an addictive read
― Joan Digimon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 7 January 2018 15:26 (six years ago) link
fun check-in. i've been away from politics-world for a week. all that's filtered through is something mark hammill said on twitter - there was something about a book, but all of this stuff about "gorilla channel" or whatever didn't make it as far out as i am.
mostly i avoid the president at this point because he is exceptionally stupid and incompetent, and while i'm grateful for that the underlying issues he raises will continue once he is gone, and i need to be mentally prepared to advocate for decisive action on those particular issues.
plus it will be important to continue talking about him when he's gone because people are going to want to forget him and pretend he never happened, and the less i talk about him now the easier it will be to carry the torch.
― bob lefse (rushomancy), Sunday, 7 January 2018 16:05 (six years ago) link
I’ve had to put up with the Fake News from the first day I announced that I would be running for President. Now I have to put up with a Fake Book, written by a totally discredited author. Ronald Reagan had the same problem and handled it well. So will I!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 7, 2018
― Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 7 January 2018 16:07 (six years ago) link
yeah, Ronald Reagan sure handled his senility well.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 7 January 2018 16:07 (six years ago) link
Are the Fake News Awards tomorrow? Smart of him to avoid conflict with the Golden Globes.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 7 January 2018 16:26 (six years ago) link
Hahaha
https://www.axios.com/newsletters/axios-am
(Bannon's openly bootlicking now.)
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 7 January 2018 16:31 (six years ago) link
I don't think he'd like Fakebook, either.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmO0Bh4oHo0
― clemenza, Sunday, 7 January 2018 16:32 (six years ago) link
Jake Tapper of Fake News CNN just got destroyed in his interview with Stephen Miller of the Trump Administration. Watch the hatred and unfairness of this CNN flunky!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 7, 2018
i hate to say it but tapper did just get bodied by a guy who could easily be mistaken for a face painted on an egg
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 7 January 2018 16:38 (six years ago) link
also cool that trump's flunkies are now doubling down on trump being a genius
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 7 January 2018 16:39 (six years ago) link
http://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/01/07/white-house-adviser-stephen-miller-full-interview-sotu.cnn
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 7 January 2018 16:40 (six years ago) link
Fred Durst, can you help...stop the violence?
Please sir, just stop this manipulation and raise the bar. You have this wonderful opportunity to make our world better. We unmistakably need a role model and leader for the now, and the future. This isn’t the way.— Fred Durst (@freddurst) January 7, 2018
That's some fine weed there you're smoking.
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 7 January 2018 16:42 (six years ago) link
i fuckin wish
srsly tho tapper came across like a peevish maiden aunt the whole way through and failed to land a single solid blow despite multiple openings, including two (2) recitations from miller that trump was a 'self-made billionaire'
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 7 January 2018 16:48 (six years ago) link
Well suffice to say there's swathes of people out there not agreeing with you at all.
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 7 January 2018 16:49 (six years ago) link
This Jennifer Rubin column is hilarious.
Trump’s emotional and mental limitations should debunk a number of rationalizations from his devoted cultists, who insisted he was the best choice in 2016, cheered his first year in office and continue to pretend he’s fit for office. He’s sounding presidential. No, he’s reading off a teleprompter, likely with very little comprehension. He’s playing four-dimensional chess with Kim Jong Un. No, he’s impulsively lashing out, with the risk of provoking a deadly clash. He’s a master manipulator when he shifts from position to position, sometimes in the same sentence. No, he likely doesn’t realize what contradicts what or remember what he originally said. His use of alternative facts is a brilliant scheme to control the press narrative. No, he’s incapable of processing real information and driven by an insatiable need for praise and reaffirmation.
Rubin was the queen of the Mitt Romney cult when he was running for president; I wonder what she'll do or say if/when Romney's elected to the Senate and becomes a reliable Trump sycophant?
― grawlix (unperson), Sunday, 7 January 2018 16:49 (six years ago) link
I mean given the situation, Reagan did a fairly remarkable job of hiding his slide into dementia, but I suppose that's there's no person that could have done a better job, he was ultimately a career actor so maybe it was that ability to recite lines in front of a camera that never quite left him, like when you see Alzheimer's patients that can still play piano pieces from memory
― Joan Digimon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 7 January 2018 16:49 (six years ago) link
look i'm not happy about agreeing with trump either but here we are
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 7 January 2018 16:52 (six years ago) link
I tweeted this but this Joan Didion quote from the forward of Slouching Towards Bethlehem keeps running through my mind wrt Fire and Fury:"My only advantage as a reporter is that I am so physically small, so temperamentally unobtrusive and neurotically inarticulate that people tend to forget my presence runs counter to their best interests. And it always does. That is one last thing to remember: writers are always selling somebody out."
― Joan Digimon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 7 January 2018 17:04 (six years ago) link
durst turning out to be a "have you no decency SIR" lib makes a lot of sense to me
― Simon H., Sunday, 7 January 2018 17:11 (six years ago) link
What's next: Look for Don Jr. to accept the statement graciously. But Bannon has further to go with President Trump: Axios has learned that POTUS has said that he wants surrogates who appear for him on TV to "bury Steve."Axios' Jonathan Swan reported last night: Trump has been working the phones over the past several days, telling allies they need to choose between him and Bannon.
Axios' Jonathan Swan reported last night: Trump has been working the phones over the past several days, telling allies they need to choose between him and Bannon.
https://i.imgur.com/LEICkqt.jpg
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 7 January 2018 17:17 (six years ago) link
Personally I have no stannage for the Wolff book and am not going to buy or read it (I suspect my wife will).
But I like DT's collusion in keeping it in the forefront of the news. Possibly it will succeed in keeping attention on the major talking points, e.g.: he's stupid, impulsive, rash, infantile, distractable, narcissistic.
Trumper die-hards gonna be Trumpers forever, and dismiss the whole thing as Fake Fakery from Fake-News Central.
But there may be some persuadable audiences out there who conclude that whatever flaws the book itself has, the basic image of a Toddler-in-Chief rings true.
― failsun ra (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 7 January 2018 17:26 (six years ago) link
, Reagan did a fairly remarkable job of hiding his slide into dementia, but I suppose that's there's no person that could have done a better job, he was ultimately a career actor so maybe it was that ability to recite lines in front of a camera that never quite left him, like when you see Alzheimer's patients that can still play piano pieces from memory
bingo
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 7 January 2018 17:42 (six years ago) link
There were no winners in that Tapper Miller face-off
― Number None, Sunday, 7 January 2018 17:42 (six years ago) link
^I really got very little sense from that Tapper interview what he was even trying to get from Miller. The whole thing came across as another advertisement for Trump
CNN specializes in these kinds of segments, with the hosts and the assholes being interviewed shouting over each other. I don't see the point.
― Dan S, Sunday, 7 January 2018 17:45 (six years ago) link
ILX discussion?
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 7 January 2018 17:48 (six years ago) link
― Dan S, Sunday, 7 January 2018 17:49 (six years ago) link
The interviews never seem to go far enough in revealing to the viewers what they need to see about that person. Instead, by even indulging them they have the effect of affirming the legitimacy of their views
― Dan S, Sunday, 7 January 2018 17:54 (six years ago) link
Rolling US Politics Feb 2019 - "With friends like these, who needs enemies."
― earlnash, Sunday, 7 January 2018 18:00 (six years ago) link
― failsun ra (Ye Mad Puffin)
that's the thing, isn't it, it's all about persuadable audiences. everything boils down to the long, hard task of reaching out to the diehards (because the street doesn't go both ways; i'm not sure there's anybody who distrusted the president in january 2017 who is now thinking "nah, he's a stable genius"). trump supporters are, right now, the only people who matter, and until we get republicans - not just "trumpists", to whatever extent they're differentiable from republicans - out of positions of power, there's not really much else to be done politically.
or anything even to talk about, really. we fill up threads like these with half-assed jokes and idle speculation because what else is there? personally i don't think idle speculation is of any benefit and have other places to make half-assed jokes, so i'm not a regular around here, only when i'm bored and too lazy to find something else to do.
― bob lefse (rushomancy), Sunday, 7 January 2018 18:08 (six years ago) link
so you're above this is what you're saying
― j., Sunday, 7 January 2018 18:17 (six years ago) link
rushomancy, I agree that it's about persuadable audiences, but I disagree with the next bit.
That is,, I don't regard diehards as persuadable (in fact those terms are opposite in my mind). If you're persuadable you're not a diehard; if you're a diehard you're not persuadable.
Republicans who voted R in 2016 because they always vote R (but are not otherwise Red-Hat nutjobs) strike me as possibly persuadable away from Trump. Not necessarily towards Democrats. I want them to be disgusted, demoralized, and either stay home or blow their votes on principled third-party
And I don't think Trump supporters are "the only people who matter." As has been noted here many times, left/liberal/progressives and Dem-curious folks who stayed home are a more fertile and better source of votes than the same fucking Trump people we keep hearing about.
― failsun ra (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 7 January 2018 18:26 (six years ago) link
Republicans who voted R in 2016 because they always vote R (but are not otherwise Red-Hat nutjobs) strike me as possibly persuadable away from Trump
which is why Nicole Wallace, Michael Steele, Jennifer Rubin, Joe Scarborough, and the other conservatives to whom MSNBC cedes considerable airtime get no credit from me for courage
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 7 January 2018 18:27 (six years ago) link
fwiw I’m glad rushoman has found other things to occupy his head space since IIRC he was having a real hell of a time on the post-election threads a year ago
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 7 January 2018 18:29 (six years ago) link
Red Hat Linux should sue the GOP imho
Something Bannon didn't apologize for:-Suggesting Kushner is a money launderer and that Mueller could nail him and the president for it through Deutsche Bank.— Kyle Cheney (@kyledcheney) January 7, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 7 January 2018 18:39 (six years ago) link
Stephen Miller has the affect of a prematurely-balding high school student who recently took an entire box of cold medication and is in the midst of delivering the debate that will cost his forensics team the chance to go to regionals.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Sunday, 7 January 2018 18:48 (six years ago) link
"fwiw I’m glad rushoman has found other things to occupy his head space since IIRC he was having a real hell of a time on the post-election threads a year ago
― El Tomboto"
yeah, it was a rough time. since then i've moved across the country, got a new job, bought a house, started drinking more, completely restructured my personal belief system. been a busy year.
"so you're above this is what you're saying
― j."
not really - i mean if i was above this i wouldn't be reading or posting in this thread, would i? if i were to rephrase myself, i'd say that i'm trying to develop a less immediate approach to political engagement, which obviously doesn't play well in this thread.
"rushomancy, I agree that it's about persuadable audiences, but I disagree with the next bit.
― failsun ra (Ye Mad Puffin)"
i'm sorry if this sounds cynical, but in a certain sense it's easier to destroy political consciousness than it is to instill it. i say this as someone who has had certain practical questions about the sustainability of our current system of government and someone who has, over the past year, gained a great deal of empathy for people who disengage from political action.
direct political engagement is stressful, often confrontational, causes people a lot of upset, much of it unneccessary. i used to disdain and hector who didn't vote, people who didn't watch the news, and i don't think that had any productive point whatsoever. for most people, there are other, more effective ways to change the world besides direct political action.
what i see about trump as an opportunity, and i think that we will wind up whiffing this, is that trump provides a unique opportunity to smash the republican party ideologically, and i believe that smashing the republican party ideologically is more important than getting trump himself out of office. because at the end of the day trump is symptomatic of a tendency towards uncompromising political cruelty. so for the democrats to attempt to sell people the lie that you can be a republican without being a trumpist, to try and salvage the dregs of the party, is ultimately for them to sign their own death warrant.
― bob lefse (rushomancy), Sunday, 7 January 2018 19:04 (six years ago) link
I agree with smashing the GOP in November 2018 and to tie Trump and the GOP together -- a task made easier in the last few weeks, I might add. But you won't kill the party.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 7 January 2018 19:07 (six years ago) link
Not with that attitude
― But doctor, I am Camille Paglia (Bananaman Begins), Sunday, 7 January 2018 19:09 (six years ago) link
Hey, has anyone done a taxonomy of Fire and Fury vs. The Power and the Glory vs. The Sound and the Fury vs. Blood and Soil?
I think The Sound and the Fury is the one that features an idiot man-child, and is otherwise full of virulent racism and inappropriate sexual desires.
― failsun ra (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 7 January 2018 19:10 (six years ago) link
the fire and the fury is the theme song to "the wire". "the power and the glory" is a prog-rock concept album about richard nixon by gentle giant (their best album). i don't know about those other two.
― bob lefse (rushomancy), Sunday, 7 January 2018 19:11 (six years ago) link
btw if i was too subtle, i posted a dl link way back upthread with an gratis epub copy of fire and fury for those of you curious to browse and discard
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Sunday, 7 January 2018 19:31 (six years ago) link
i know most of the time ILX frowns on that kinda activity but if there were ever a case where it seemed appropriate, this is iti don't wanna enrich ANY of the players in this game
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Sunday, 7 January 2018 19:32 (six years ago) link
https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/fire-and-fury-is-a-book-all-too-worthy-of-the-president/
The President of the United States is a deranged liar who surrounds himself with sycophants. He is also functionally illiterate and intellectually unsound. He is manifestly unfit for the job. Who knew? Everybody did.So why has a poorly written book containing this information, padded with much tedious detail, become an overnight sensation, a runaway best-seller, and the topic of every other political column, podcast, and dinner conversation? It seems we are in bigger trouble with reality perception than we might have realized.
So why has a poorly written book containing this information, padded with much tedious detail, become an overnight sensation, a runaway best-seller, and the topic of every other political column, podcast, and dinner conversation? It seems we are in bigger trouble with reality perception than we might have realized.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 7 January 2018 19:47 (six years ago) link
it would be a little ironic if a president who doesn't read is ultimately taken down by a book. i doubt it'll hurt him too much, though. i haven't checked in on the conservosphere but i'm assuming that they're convincing themselves that nothing in the book is real
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 7 January 2018 19:52 (six years ago) link
if this is all some kind of next level put-on orchestrated by bannon then shame on me for falling for it but damn this is addictive reading, just one obnoxious anecdote after another. for real this book is making trump somewhat sympathetic, like a lovable silver spoon cad protagonist in an adam sandler or chris farley (RIP!) movie (who don't get me wrong never in a million years would i vote for, nor do i approve of adam sandler, just recognizing that there is an appeal there that isn't entirely false consciousness / greed). the disdain real billionaires and everyone really who knows him has me -- god save my soul -- sort of rooting for him in a way i never have before
― reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 7 January 2018 19:53 (six years ago) link
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 7 January 2018 19:55 (six years ago) link
Masha Gessen, a staff writer, has written several books, including, most recently, “The Future Is History: How Totalitarianism Reclaimed Russia,” which won the National Book Award in 2017.
oh, let's click this link
Frequently bought togetherThe Future Is History: How Totalitarianism Reclaimed Russia+Fire and Fury: Inside the Trump White HouseTotal price: $34.71SubmitAdd both to Cart
― bob lefse (rushomancy), Sunday, 7 January 2018 19:56 (six years ago) link
the disdain real billionaires and everyone really who knows him has me -- god save my soul -- sort of rooting for him in a way i never have before
the shocking twist that no one could have expected in 2018!
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 7 January 2018 19:57 (six years ago) link
it's like rodney dangerfield is back from the dead to assume the presidency
He was the winner and now expected to be the object of awe, fascination, and favor. He expected this to be binary: a hostile media would turn into a fannishone.
And yet here he was, the winner who was treated with horror and depredations by a media that in the past, as a matter of course and protocol, could be depended on to shower lavish deference on an incoming president no matter who he was. (Trump’s shortfall of three million votes continued to rankleand was a subject best avoided.) It was nearly incomprehensible to him that the same people — that is, the media — who had violently criticized him for saying he might dispute the election result were now calling him illegitimate.
― reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 7 January 2018 20:04 (six years ago) link
Who knew? Everybody did.
This is both untrue and smugly superior. If everybody knew this the world would look different than it does today. This is the writing of a person in an information bubble, within which everyone does know Trump is manifestly unfit. The writer fails to recognize there are more than 300 million Americans and at least 50 million of them are actively supportive of Trump and perhaps another 100 million are only vaguely aware of his words and actions.
So why has a poorly written book containing this information, padded with much tedious detail, become an overnight sensation
Simple answer: hope that maybe by breathlessly reporting all the most horrific details from the book, they will penetrate the minds of a few million more citizens, and convince them of what the writer seems to think "everybody knows".
― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 7 January 2018 20:05 (six years ago) link
a racist sexually predatory rodney dangerfield who's probably the biggest traitor in american history, if not the anti-christ, that is
― reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 7 January 2018 20:06 (six years ago) link
― Karl Malone, Sunday, January 7, 2018 2:57 PM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
A Presidency of Dunces
― porg and bess (voodoo chili), Sunday, 7 January 2018 20:07 (six years ago) link
doubtful that donald j. trump is as big a boethius fan as ingnatius j. reilly
― reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 7 January 2018 20:13 (six years ago) link
I find myself feeling the Obama years to have been a wasted opportunity to turn against the right. Healthcare coverage was expanded without changing its delivery through employment and private insurance companies, the things that make the healthcare system so hated. This protected those who work in the industry, it was a conservative move. Since keeping what people hate makes people hate you, the country now has an “outsider“ for president. Obama was elected as an outsider (yes, I know that you all know he wasn’t one). Why trust another Dem to change the hated system? Dems are boring, they fix little things while shitty things stay shitty or get shittier. This moron is president because people want excitement, “change” I guess. I know this is all obvious but I’ve been wanting to say something about why I’m so pessimistic about the USA.
― droit au butt (Euler), Sunday, 7 January 2018 21:16 (six years ago) link
I think people were pretty upset about the possibility of GOP repealing Obamacare. Like, doing so would adversely effect their lives in a significant way. It’s good to cover people with pre-existing conditions imo.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Sunday, 7 January 2018 21:40 (six years ago) link
trump provides a unique opportunity to smash the republican party ideologically, and i believe that smashing the republican party ideologically is more important than getting trump himself out of office. because at the end of the day trump is symptomatic of a tendency towards uncompromising political cruelty. so for the democrats to attempt to sell people the lie that you can be a republican without being a trumpist, to try and salvage the dregs of the party, is ultimately for them to sign their own death warrant.
^tend to agree and it's why even if Dems retake congress in 2018 (which i honestly don't think they will) i actually hope they don't impeach him. Pence is worse and the GOP's fealty to Trump and his unique brand of dysfunction is a great punching bag
not that i have any illusions about the GOP being "destroyed" or establishment Ds pulling back from their neolib fuckery
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Sunday, 7 January 2018 21:54 (six years ago) link
The Fake News Awards, those going to the most corrupt & biased of the Mainstream Media, will be presented to the losers on Wednesday, January 17th, rather than this coming Monday. The interest in, and importance of, these awards is far greater than anyone could have anticipated!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 7, 2018
― Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 7 January 2018 22:00 (six years ago) link
I’m amazed people still do the “I’m actually more scared of Pence” thing given the whole openly threatening nuclear war stuff. Also (I don’t think it will happen either) but the circumstance of Pence becoming president due to a Trump impeachment would leave him and the GOP in a very weakened state. That might have something to do with why the GOP is talking about purging the FBI and stuff like that, essentially in lock step to do anything they can to prevent it instead of just...you know...letting the Pence presidency happen.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Sunday, 7 January 2018 22:02 (six years ago) link
i'd be satisfied with the Dems taking one house of congress, ideally the senate, and just being able to freeze up the express train of garbage policy and appointments. plus there would then be at least one fully-functioning russia investigation whatever trump does.
― Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 7 January 2018 22:09 (six years ago) link
The pump is kind of primed for Pence being a 21st Century Gerald Ford.
― Never Learn To Mike Love (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 7 January 2018 22:15 (six years ago) link
Also, rmde at a sitting US President expending energy and attention to a bullshit awards thing of their own design on Twitter.
― Never Learn To Mike Love (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 7 January 2018 22:17 (six years ago) link
it's not that i'm more scared of Pence, more that a solid majority's revulsion when it comes to Trump is pretty much the only thing the Dem party has going for it
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Sunday, 7 January 2018 22:18 (six years ago) link
Postponing the FNAs when he could so easily have been done with them in a couple tweets tomorrow night. Now I expect award statues.
― jmm, Sunday, 7 January 2018 22:20 (six years ago) link
The Dems are much more likely to take the House :( The nightmare scenario is another Supreme Court Seat opening, fingers crossed.
Everyone hates the regular GOP party as well, that's why Trump could take it over. The difference between Trump and Pence is that while they're both widely hated, Trump has a hardcore personality cult that Pence lacks. No way Pence wins in 2020, which I honestly can still see Trump doing.
― Frederik B, Sunday, 7 January 2018 22:22 (six years ago) link
I was watching Dawson City: Frozen time last night. There is a bit where you a see a pic of the saloon/brothel that was opened by Trump's granddad during the gold rush. The language in the advert for it went something like: We are the newest and best in town and here to stay. I might not be doing it justice here, but it struck me as very Trump-like language at the time. But arrogant arseholes beget arrogant arseholes etc..
― calzino, Sunday, 7 January 2018 22:23 (six years ago) link
― attention vampire (MatthewK), Sunday, 7 January 2018 22:24 (six years ago) link
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will)
see, i can't talk about this stuff without moving into prognostication mode, which after 2016 i'm significantly more loath to do, but some general observations:
1. it's pretty much impossible to say right now how robust neoliberalism is as an ideology. all the institutions which are being wrecked by trumpism are the institutions which were most heavily invested in the maintenance of the neoliberal consensus. these institutions will continue to exist and will continue to advocate for neoliberal policy... but will it matter? neoliberalism continues to be strongly tied to clinton, who is as reviled as she ever was.
2. 2018... one of the paradoxes of democracy is that the easiest way to undermine it is to create the impression that elections aren't fair/free and/or don't matter. it's pretty difficult not to have one of those impressions these days. at that point all discourse is simply deciding on the form of the destroyer. a lot of things remain possible right now, even if some of the possibilities that existed in january 2017 have been closed off, but again, the short-term effects of the wholesale demoralization and disengagement of large swaths of the republican base should not be discounted.
3. impeachment is one of the greatest challenges to the democratic party right now and will, i think, remain a strong point of contention. one of the, in retrospect, stupidest things the democratic mainstream did in 2016 was to respond to trump's show-trial baiting with a strongly worded denunciation of the corrosive effect to democracy of trying your political opponents. the principle doesn't hold when you're running against literal criminals, guys.
there will, i predict, a strong centrist belief that an impeachment trial should not be seen as _political_, in deliberate ignorance of the long-established principle that impeachment is, by design and by its nature, political in nature. i don't give a shit if impeachment happens or not, but _somebody_ needs to be finally held responsible for this horseshit. i am hereby announcing my intent to come down hard on any talk of "healing" or "forgiveness" that doesn't include anybody being held responsible for this goddamn nightmare.
― bob lefse (rushomancy), Sunday, 7 January 2018 22:31 (six years ago) link
He bumped the Fake News Awards!?! Wow, bummer. I guess that makes room for a couple more weeks of competition! You can do it, CNN!!!
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 7 January 2018 23:06 (six years ago) link
Not having a presidential race frontrunner is not the same as not having an agenda. Doug Jones had one. The Virginia legislature candidates had one.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 7 January 2018 23:16 (six years ago) link
🐦[The Fake News Awards, those going to the most corrupt & biased of the Mainstream Media, will be presented to the losers on Wednesday, January 17th, rather than this coming Monday. The interest in, and importance of, these awards is far greater than anyone could have anticipated!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 7, 2018🕸]🐦
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 7 January 2018 23:24 (six years ago) link
Prez has definitely been relieved of tweet duty. There is no way this new syntactic complexity is forming under that surgically reduced scalp.
― Hadrian VIII, Sunday, 7 January 2018 23:27 (six years ago) link
also, Hope Hicks or whoever you are, no one was anticipating the president would be giving out awards. No one was anticipating any of this.
― Hadrian VIII, Sunday, 7 January 2018 23:30 (six years ago) link
"I completely forgot I even posted this thing and now people are talking about it so I better make some shit up quick"
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Sunday, 7 January 2018 23:49 (six years ago) link
"Bring on The Redundies, or The Reductees, or whatever the fuck we're callin' these things..."
― Never Learn To Mike Love (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 7 January 2018 23:57 (six years ago) link
wait, the awards will be presented to the losers? that’s not how awards work iirc
What about The Biggest Loser!?
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 8 January 2018 00:50 (six years ago) link
Or the Razzies! Either way, I'm in. Who is presenting? What will they be wearing? Who is performing? What network will it be on!?
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 8 January 2018 00:51 (six years ago) link
New Axios newsletter gives me some relief, in that the idiot is apparently spending less and less time actually presidenting:
1 big thing: Scoop: Trump's secret, shrinking schedulePresident Trump is starting his official day much later than he did in the early days of his presidency, often around 11am, and holding far fewer meetings, according to copies of his private schedule shown to Axios. This is largely to meet Trump’s demands for more “Executive Time,” which almost always means TV and Twitter time alone in the residence, officials tell us.The schedules shown to me are different than the sanitized ones released to the media and public.The schedule says Trump has "Executive Time" in the Oval Office every day from 8am to 11am, but the reality is he spends that time in his residence, watching TV, making phone calls and tweeting. Trump comes down for his first meeting of the day, which is often an intelligence briefing, at 11am.That's far later than George W. Bush, who typically arrived in the Oval by 6:45am. Obama worked out first thing in the morning and usually got into the Oval between 9 and 10am, according to a former senior aide.Trump's days in the Oval Office are relatively short – from around 11am to 6pm, then he's back to the residence. During that time he usually has a meeting or two, but spends a good deal of time making phone calls and watching cable news in the dining room adjoining the Oval. Then he's back to the residence for more phone calls and more TV. Take these random examples from this week's real schedule:On Tuesday, Trump has his first meeting of the day with Chief of Staff John Kelly at 11am. He then has "Executive Time" for an hour followed by an hour lunch in the private dining room. Then it's another 1 hour 15 minutes of "Executive Time" followed by a 45 minute meeting with National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster. Then another 15 minutes of "Executive Time" before Trump takes his last meeting of the day — a 3:45pm meeting with the head of Presidential Personnel Johnny DeStefano — before ending his official day at 4:15pm.Other days are fairly similar, unless the president is traveling, in which case the days run longer. On Wednesday this week, for example, the president meets at 11am for his intelligence briefing, then has "Executive Time" until a 2pm meeting with the Norwegian Prime Minister. His last official duty: a video recording with Hope Hicks at 4pm.On Thursday, the president has an especially light schedule: "Policy Time" at 11am, then "Executive Time" at 12pm, then lunch for an hour, then more "Executive Time" from 1:30pm.Trump's schedule wasn't always like this. In the earliest days of the Trump administration it began earlier and ended later. Trump would have breakfast meetings (e.g. hosting business leaders in the Roosevelt Room). He didn't like the longer official schedule and pushed for later starts. The morning intelligence briefing ended up settling around 10:30am. Aides say Trump is always doing something — he's a whirl of activity and some aides wish he would sleep more — but his time in the residence is unstructured and undisciplined. He's calling people, watching TV, tweeting, and generally taking the same loose, improvisational approach to being president that he took to running the Trump Organization for so many years. Old habits die hard.In response to this article, White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders wrote:"The time in the morning is a mix of residence time and Oval Office time but he always has calls with staff, Hill members, cabinet members and foreign leaders during this time. The President is one of the hardest workers I've ever seen and puts in long hours and long days nearly every day of the week all year long. It has been noted by reporters many times that they wish he would slow down because they sometimes have trouble keeping up with him."
President Trump is starting his official day much later than he did in the early days of his presidency, often around 11am, and holding far fewer meetings, according to copies of his private schedule shown to Axios. This is largely to meet Trump’s demands for more “Executive Time,” which almost always means TV and Twitter time alone in the residence, officials tell us.
The schedules shown to me are different than the sanitized ones released to the media and public.
The schedule says Trump has "Executive Time" in the Oval Office every day from 8am to 11am, but the reality is he spends that time in his residence, watching TV, making phone calls and tweeting. Trump comes down for his first meeting of the day, which is often an intelligence briefing, at 11am.
That's far later than George W. Bush, who typically arrived in the Oval by 6:45am. Obama worked out first thing in the morning and usually got into the Oval between 9 and 10am, according to a former senior aide.
Trump's days in the Oval Office are relatively short – from around 11am to 6pm, then he's back to the residence. During that time he usually has a meeting or two, but spends a good deal of time making phone calls and watching cable news in the dining room adjoining the Oval. Then he's back to the residence for more phone calls and more TV. Take these random examples from this week's real schedule:
On Tuesday, Trump has his first meeting of the day with Chief of Staff John Kelly at 11am. He then has "Executive Time" for an hour followed by an hour lunch in the private dining room. Then it's another 1 hour 15 minutes of "Executive Time" followed by a 45 minute meeting with National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster. Then another 15 minutes of "Executive Time" before Trump takes his last meeting of the day — a 3:45pm meeting with the head of Presidential Personnel Johnny DeStefano — before ending his official day at 4:15pm.Other days are fairly similar, unless the president is traveling, in which case the days run longer. On Wednesday this week, for example, the president meets at 11am for his intelligence briefing, then has "Executive Time" until a 2pm meeting with the Norwegian Prime Minister. His last official duty: a video recording with Hope Hicks at 4pm.On Thursday, the president has an especially light schedule: "Policy Time" at 11am, then "Executive Time" at 12pm, then lunch for an hour, then more "Executive Time" from 1:30pm.Trump's schedule wasn't always like this. In the earliest days of the Trump administration it began earlier and ended later. Trump would have breakfast meetings (e.g. hosting business leaders in the Roosevelt Room). He didn't like the longer official schedule and pushed for later starts. The morning intelligence briefing ended up settling around 10:30am.
Aides say Trump is always doing something — he's a whirl of activity and some aides wish he would sleep more — but his time in the residence is unstructured and undisciplined. He's calling people, watching TV, tweeting, and generally taking the same loose, improvisational approach to being president that he took to running the Trump Organization for so many years. Old habits die hard.
In response to this article, White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders wrote:
"The time in the morning is a mix of residence time and Oval Office time but he always has calls with staff, Hill members, cabinet members and foreign leaders during this time. The President is one of the hardest workers I've ever seen and puts in long hours and long days nearly every day of the week all year long. It has been noted by reporters many times that they wish he would slow down because they sometimes have trouble keeping up with him."
― grawlix (unperson), Monday, 8 January 2018 00:56 (six years ago) link
clinton, who is as reviled as she ever was
A reminder that Hillary Clinton was the most popular politician in the US in 2013, and by a considerable margin.
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 8 January 2018 00:59 (six years ago) link
ma'am, you're basically insulting him to his face at this point. i understand he doesn't know that. i understand it's impossible to defend this cretin. but would it kill you to, and god i hate myself for saying this, would it kill you to be a little more ron ziegler-esque?
― bob lefse (rushomancy), Monday, 8 January 2018 01:04 (six years ago) link
TOP Torrents (Last 48 hours) Seeders LeechersThe Shape of Water 2017 DVDScr XVID AC3 HQ Hive-CM8 206 24Renegades 2017 HDRip XviD AC3-EVO 77 8Madtown 2017 HDRip XviD AC3-EVO 66 6FIRE AND FURY Inside the Trump White House Michael Wolff (epub mobi)
i found this top torrents list amusing for about 10 seconds!
― calzino, Monday, 8 January 2018 01:05 (six years ago) link
Ooh - Shape of Water is up?!
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 8 January 2018 01:11 (six years ago) link
bah, wake me when top knot detective leaks
― bob lefse (rushomancy), Monday, 8 January 2018 01:15 (six years ago) link
Executive time Residence timeCircle timeStory timeNap timeSnack timePlay time
― marcos, Monday, 8 January 2018 01:20 (six years ago) link
Hammer time!
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 8 January 2018 01:25 (six years ago) link
and yet no quiet time. funny that
― maura, Monday, 8 January 2018 01:38 (six years ago) link
Reagan's White House schedule was pretty gross too: "personal time" was basically "nap time."
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 8 January 2018 01:43 (six years ago) link
White House adviser Stephen Miller was escorted off the set of CNN’s "State of the Union" on Sunday after a contentious interview with host Jake Tapper.
Two sources close to the situation told Business Insider that after the taping was done, Miller was politely asked to leave several times.
He ignored those requests and ultimately security was called and he was escorted out, the sources said.
CNN declined to comment on this story.
Miller's appearance on the cable network quickly went off the rails when Tapper pressed him on explosive claims about President Donald Trump that appeared in the book "Fire & Fury: Inside The Trump White House" by Michael Wolff.
http://www.businessinsider.com/stephen-miller-escorted-off-cnn-2018-1
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 8 January 2018 01:49 (six years ago) link
Well worth a read:https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/i-was-on-trumps-voter-fraud-commission-its-demise-was-inevitable/2018/01/07/b5c1bec8-f261-11e7-97bf-bba379b809ab_story.html
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 8 January 2018 02:08 (six years ago) link
thx, ned. distribution of commentary on that ruling, even by a party, is so needed.
― Hunt3r, Monday, 8 January 2018 03:46 (six years ago) link
Friend of mine in the White House was laughing on the phone today about the Gorilla Channel. Says he wishes it was true so they could pipe in a fake Fox News feed and a fake twitter feed so POTUS thinks he's online when he's not.— Erick Erickson (@EWErickson) January 8, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 8 January 2018 04:28 (six years ago) link
now showing on the gorilla channel
http://deadline.com/2018/01/trump-tower-on-fire-small-blaze-put-out-by-new-york-firefighters-1202238261/
― reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 8 January 2018 14:11 (six years ago) link
Oprah.#ImWithHer— Bill Kristol (@BillKristol) January 8, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 8 January 2018 16:16 (six years ago) link
― (the blues version in his Broadway show) (crüt), Monday, 8 January 2018 16:25 (six years ago) link
hoooooooo boy
― Simon H., Monday, 8 January 2018 16:25 (six years ago) link
the pics of OW schmoozing comfortably with weinstein should hopefully be enough to shutter this whole idea
― Simon H., Monday, 8 January 2018 16:27 (six years ago) link
what about the idea of Oprah schmoozing with Bill Kristol
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 8 January 2018 16:28 (six years ago) link
i can't even tell who kristol is trying to troll
Oprah: Pro-regime change in Iraq (see her Oct. 9, 2002 show).#ImWithHer— Bill Kristol (@BillKristol) January 8, 2018
― Karl Malone, Monday, 8 January 2018 16:29 (six years ago) link
John Podhoretz, who was praising her last night.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 8 January 2018 16:29 (six years ago) link
phew good thing bill kristol’s conscience is clear when it comes to supporting war in iraq otherwise that would be a massively hypocritical statement
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 8 January 2018 16:38 (six years ago) link
love too live in north korea - shs licking the boot
“The time in the morning is a mix of residence time and Oval Office time but he always has calls with staff, Hill members, cabinet members and foreign leaders during this time,” Sanders said in a statement to Axios. “The President is one of the hardest workers I’ve ever seen and puts in long hours and long days nearly every day of the week all year long. It has been noted by reporters many times that they wish he would slow down because they sometimes have trouble keeping up with him.”
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 8 January 2018 16:41 (six years ago) link
It is true that we all have trouble keeping up with him.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 8 January 2018 16:42 (six years ago) link
FWIW, Oprah's Cecil B. DeMille award acceptance had the cadence of a political speech at times so I can see why facile minds may have been confused.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Monday, 8 January 2018 16:45 (six years ago) link
people on twitter who claim to know things are saying that people close to her are saying she intends to run. take that as seriously as you will.
― Simon H., Monday, 8 January 2018 16:47 (six years ago) link
oprah is our spartacus
― reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 8 January 2018 16:47 (six years ago) link
I mean, who the fuck cares? let her run, let her win. the bar is as low as can be.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 8 January 2018 16:51 (six years ago) link
Give America a Car Again
― and she could see an earmuff factory (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 8 January 2018 16:51 (six years ago) link
she's like reverse polarity Trump. Self made, generous, kind, liked, female etc.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 8 January 2018 16:52 (six years ago) link
first stedman
― (the blues version in his Broadway show) (crüt), Monday, 8 January 2018 16:53 (six years ago) link
For better or worse, Oprah is the only candidate I'd absolutely put money on to win if she ran in 2020. We might as well accept that presidential elections are just going to be a Battle of the Network Stars now that we've broken the (seventh) seal.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Monday, 8 January 2018 16:53 (six years ago) link
Josh, I believe the hot quip for that sentiment is "black is the new orange"
― and she could see an earmuff factory (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 8 January 2018 16:54 (six years ago) link
i'm sure she would win
#fuckthisworld
― Karl Malone, Monday, 8 January 2018 16:57 (six years ago) link
crossposting to the direction of the democratic party thread, but it's possibilities like this - Oprah runs for president and wins in a landslide - that make me think that neoliberalism is not quite thoroughly discredited yet among the democratic party. i have no idea what oprah's politics are (which you'd think would affect her chances of becoming president, but no, it doesn't actually matter much), but i'm pretty sure she would just take assemble a dreamteam of advisors from the clinton/obama era.
― Karl Malone, Monday, 8 January 2018 17:00 (six years ago) link
No slam on Oprah in particular, but worth keeping in mind one of the many unintended consequences of a Trump presidency: the bar has now been set so incredibly low that literally anyone is a more viable candidate for president.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Monday, 8 January 2018 17:02 (six years ago) link
michael moore was pushing oprah for president like 10+ years ago in one of his books
― brimstead, Monday, 8 January 2018 17:02 (six years ago) link
there's a guardian piece from 2015 that's been making the rounds that literally hails her as neoliberalism's brightest light lol
― Simon H., Monday, 8 January 2018 17:02 (six years ago) link
(XP to Karl)
― Simon H., Monday, 8 January 2018 17:03 (six years ago) link
There has always been something a little messianic about Oprah and a little overly-pious about her fanbase that's made me slightly uncomfortable. Reese Witherspoon's eyes were glazing over as she introduced her Glorious Leader at the Golden Globes last night.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Monday, 8 January 2018 17:04 (six years ago) link
But hey, she does at least seem concerned with the well-being of others, so Oprah '20.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Monday, 8 January 2018 17:05 (six years ago) link
this one, i guess?
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2015/may/09/oprah-winfrey-neoliberal-capitalist-thinkers
god, if you're out there, i'm sorry that i worship baal, and also please don't make me get into a debate with friends on why they shouldn't vote for oprah for president of the united states
― Karl Malone, Monday, 8 January 2018 17:06 (six years ago) link
in a perfect world Oprah would just cool her heels and see what kind of candidate the Democratic Party can muster up as a nominee. I wouldn't like to see her getting in the way of someone like Gillibrand, for instance. but if the Dems step on their own dicks aggressively enough to nominate some garbage person like Cuomo or Tim Kaine then sure I'd be more than happy for her to swoop in like people were hoping Biden would swoop in last time and save us from Donnie Two-Terms.
― evol j, Monday, 8 January 2018 17:16 (six years ago) link
'if' the Dems step on their own dicks
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Monday, 8 January 2018 17:17 (six years ago) link
2020 is the biggest gimme in the history of gimmes. I don't see how the Dems could possibly fail to take advantage of that. But I'm sure they'll find a way.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Monday, 8 January 2018 17:19 (six years ago) link
Yeah but in case you forgot 2016 was also supposed to be the biggest gimme in the history of gimmes so
― jjjusten, Monday, 8 January 2018 17:21 (six years ago) link
imagine a oprah/dr phil ticket
― Karl Malone, Monday, 8 January 2018 17:27 (six years ago) link
an
Dr Phil would at least make Pence cry in the vp debate
― omar little, Monday, 8 January 2018 17:28 (six years ago) link
oh man, dr phil with a penetrating question, then a loooong silent shot of pence trying to compose himself enough to respond, and eventually being saved by wolf blitzer blurting out something
― Karl Malone, Monday, 8 January 2018 17:32 (six years ago) link
we're all going to die
― omar little, Monday, 8 January 2018 17:33 (six years ago) link
Eventually.
By which I mean 'within the year'.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Monday, 8 January 2018 17:37 (six years ago) link
psyched for surgeon general dr oz
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 8 January 2018 17:37 (six years ago) link
tom hanks VP
― reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 8 January 2018 17:44 (six years ago) link
Rhonda Byrne for director of 'The Secret' Service
― jmm, Monday, 8 January 2018 17:46 (six years ago) link
she's like reverse polarity Trump. Self made, generous, kind, liked, female etc.― Josh in Chicago, Monday, January 8, 2018 11:52 AM (fifty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, January 8, 2018 11:52 AM (fifty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
otm, she is the mirror image of Trump, and people have been speculating about her running for prez as long as they speculated about Trump running. and Oprah has been as coy as Trump was.
― flappy bird, Monday, 8 January 2018 17:54 (six years ago) link
idk it beats when people kept chattering about george clooney for ages. and warren beatty in 2000 iirc.
― Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Monday, 8 January 2018 17:57 (six years ago) link
it beats very little.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 January 2018 17:59 (six years ago) link
Look, can we get serious about this? No celebrity has any business running for president unless he or she has previously portrayed the president in a movie or television series. I might allow a voiceover role as president in a videogame, but that's stretching it.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Monday, 8 January 2018 18:00 (six years ago) link
Terry Crews 2020
― omar little, Monday, 8 January 2018 18:01 (six years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTCXUiEWAAAXJFL.jpg:small
It’s true that North Korea could retaliate for any attack by using its conventional rocket artillery against the South Korean capital of Seoul and its surroundings, where almost 20 million inhabitants live within 35 miles of the armistice line. U.S. military officers have cited the fear of a “sea of fire” to justify inaction. But this vulnerability should not paralyze U.S. policy for one simple reason: It is very largely self-inflicted.
cool, cool
― mookieproof, Monday, 8 January 2018 18:03 (six years ago) link
yea but you were otm old lunch about the seal being broken. Oprah is a shoe-in
― flappy bird, Monday, 8 January 2018 18:04 (six years ago) link
a shoe-in is different from a shoo-in
ie if we are to only have celeb candidates henceforth, i will vote by throwing my shoe
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 January 2018 18:05 (six years ago) link
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 8 January 2018 18:05 (six years ago) link
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 8 January 2018 18:08 (six years ago) link
trump might be sitting down with mueller soon:
WASHINGTON — Anticipating that special counsel Robert Mueller will ask to interview President Donald Trump, the president's legal team is discussing a range of potential options for the format, including written responses to questions in lieu of a formal sit-down, according to three people familiar with the matter.Lawyers for Trump have been discussing with FBI investigators a possible interview by the special counsel with the president as part of the inquiry into whether Trump's campaign colluded with Russia during the 2016 election.
Lawyers for Trump have been discussing with FBI investigators a possible interview by the special counsel with the president as part of the inquiry into whether Trump's campaign colluded with Russia during the 2016 election.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/initial-talks-underway-about-trump-interview-mueller-russia-probe-n835506
― Karl Malone, Monday, 8 January 2018 18:09 (six years ago) link
do not surrender in advance xp
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 January 2018 18:09 (six years ago) link
mods someone has hacked morbs’ account pls investigate
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 8 January 2018 18:11 (six years ago) link
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/367927-senate-dems-demand-release-of-fusion-gps-interview
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Monday, 8 January 2018 18:13 (six years ago) link
everyone but the repubs want this out, I wonder why?
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Monday, 8 January 2018 18:16 (six years ago) link
make trump testify on camera like clinton had to do
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 8 January 2018 18:27 (six years ago) link
make it 14 hours too
― flappy bird, Monday, 8 January 2018 18:31 (six years ago) link
Trump should help deregulate food handling laws and then eat at the same unregulated KFC for the rest of his term
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Monday, 8 January 2018 18:38 (six years ago) link
sometimes i sit back and stare at the stars and wonder, 'did the president really settle a $25,000,000 education fraud case after he won the election?'
― reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 8 January 2018 18:42 (six years ago) link
Of course he didn't, don't be ridiculous, everyone would be talking about it.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 8 January 2018 18:43 (six years ago) link
well it's a good thing we've sealed our cyber-borders from the kremlin :)
― reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 8 January 2018 18:44 (six years ago) link
I had the idea recently that someone needs to just put Trump in a room, alone, with no TV or phone, and train a camera on him with a live feed that everyone in the country can watch. Not even for a huge amount of time, just a day maybe. Just an unedited stream of Trump being Trump. Feel like that would pretty definitively settle a whole lot of speculation and deep six his chances for reelection and likely result in him being caged like the sick ape that he is.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Monday, 8 January 2018 18:47 (six years ago) link
The real gorilla channel.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 8 January 2018 18:48 (six years ago) link
i don't know if airing an unedited stream of footage of someone in solitary confinement is the best way to prove that someone is sick!
― Karl Malone, Monday, 8 January 2018 18:49 (six years ago) link
I'd be cool if they locked him up without cameras.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 8 January 2018 18:52 (six years ago) link
It seems the president had to reschedule auditorium space in his head for his Fake News Awards. https://t.co/f7xH9bzr1I— Matt Taibbi (@mtaibbi) January 8, 2018
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 January 2018 18:55 (six years ago) link
lol imagine how terrifying this would be for Trump's legal team and basically every single person in his orbit
it'll never happen
― frogbs, Monday, 8 January 2018 18:57 (six years ago) link
― reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 8 January 2018 19:03 (six years ago) link
under the mattress
― Evan, Monday, 8 January 2018 19:04 (six years ago) link
― Karl Malone, Monday, January 8, 2018 12:49 PM (fifty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Well, my thinking was less about putting him in solitary than it was about withholding an immediately-accessible audience from Needy McBabyman for a span of time that one might think was reasonable for a stable genius to be left alone with his thoughts and a stack of heady literature. But hell, just release a good chunk of raw security cam footage of his day-to-day activities and I'm sure the results would be the same for anyone watching.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Monday, 8 January 2018 19:50 (six years ago) link
alone with his thoughts and a stack of heady literature Barely Legals.
Fixed.
― Never Learn To Mike Love (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 8 January 2018 19:54 (six years ago) link
I just realized holding my coffee cup to my ear yeilds the sound of teh ocean
I wonder if Mr "Genius" is aware!
― Dean of the University (Latham Green), Monday, 8 January 2018 19:58 (six years ago) link
this hasn't been posted right?
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/01/trump-bulldozes-his-own-infrastructure-plan
― sleeve, Monday, 8 January 2018 20:16 (six years ago) link
infrastructure week is BACK baby
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 8 January 2018 20:18 (six years ago) link
koolade.jpg
― sleeve, Monday, 8 January 2018 20:20 (six years ago) link
Sometimes, you have to bulldoze the infrastructure of one infrastructure week so that you have a problem to tackle next time infrastructure week rolls around.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Monday, 8 January 2018 20:22 (six years ago) link
It's like, the country's running like clockwork, but you know as infrastructure week rolls on that another one is coming around the bend in a couple days. What do you do, hotshot? What do you do?
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Monday, 8 January 2018 20:23 (six years ago) link
it's always infrastructure week at least twice a day
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 8 January 2018 20:40 (six years ago) link
Embrace the senile genius, watch him reinvent the wheel
― raise my chicken finger (Willl), Monday, 8 January 2018 20:46 (six years ago) link
It's the same wheel as before--except it has the name "Trump" attached and only rolls on golf courses.
― Never Learn To Mike Love (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 8 January 2018 21:03 (six years ago) link
I wonder who's REALLY running the country now while Trump watches Tv and eats mcdonalds? Imanka?
― Dean of the University (Latham Green), Monday, 8 January 2018 21:06 (six years ago) link
The country is being run by the collective efforts of civil servants. It is being steered by no one in particular.
― A is for (Aimless), Monday, 8 January 2018 21:10 (six years ago) link
Latham, I think the cool kids now say "Jarvanka." FYI.
― and she could see an earmuff factory (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 8 January 2018 21:10 (six years ago) link
Going well for him today
"Get up." -- Trump, telling the Nashville crowd to stand and applaud for him— Chris Cillizza (@CillizzaCNN) January 8, 2018
Please clap. https://t.co/87RY3osuVh— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) January 8, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 8 January 2018 21:38 (six years ago) link
"Oh, are you happy you voted for me. You are so lucky that I gave you that privilege," President Trump tells farmers in Nashville. pic.twitter.com/Z6Q7yR93VY— BuzzFeed News (@BuzzFeedNews) January 8, 2018
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Monday, 8 January 2018 22:02 (six years ago) link
how many countries' elections has the kremlin successfully hacked so far, farmers of kentucky?
― reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 8 January 2018 22:07 (six years ago) link
lmao he asked a crowd of farmers if they were happy with their 401ks
― frogbs, Monday, 8 January 2018 22:13 (six years ago) link
god if he makes it to 2020 they're going to hide him in a bunker when it's debate time.
― omar little, Monday, 8 January 2018 22:14 (six years ago) link
brain genious gorka does it again
In a new op-ed, Sebastian Gorka says he was told to speak to Michael Wolff but chose not to, adding that his gut told him that Wolff was going to be unfair. So did he alert his boss? Did he tell his colleagues that he didn't trust him? https://t.co/BSOGN0G5ge pic.twitter.com/ENVwCZEE82— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) January 8, 2018
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 8 January 2018 22:22 (six years ago) link
NYT gonna try to break some new ground here
Did you vote for Donald Trump for president? We’d like to hear from you. #NYTLetters https://t.co/0SMcE48jrg— NYT Opinion (@nytopinion) January 8, 2018
― frogbs, Monday, 8 January 2018 22:22 (six years ago) link
One more. Current Chair of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, Republican Rep. Ed Royce, will not seek re-election. pic.twitter.com/W4g3G7Bl5E— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) January 8, 2018
― mookieproof, Monday, 8 January 2018 22:26 (six years ago) link
"you are so lucky that i gave you that privilege" is making me boggle in a way that i thought i'd become immune to in the last year
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 8 January 2018 22:27 (six years ago) link
House committee chairs resigned or announced retirement so far:1️⃣ Chaffetz - Oversight2️⃣ Smith - Science 3️⃣ Hensarling - Financial Serv.4️⃣ Goodlatte - Judiciary5️⃣ Black - Budget6️⃣ Shuster - T&I7️⃣ Harper - Administration8️⃣ Royce - Foreign Affairs— K Tully-McManus (@ktullymcmanus) January 8, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 8 January 2018 22:35 (six years ago) link
i think that's good news, but i'm thrown off by the obnoxious use of emoji numbers
― porg and bess (voodoo chili), Monday, 8 January 2018 22:37 (six years ago) link
I've noticed that whenever there's an article about the Russia investigation they always run one of only a couple pictures of Robert Mueller. Does the guy ever go outside? Why aren't there more current pictures of him? Has he been ensconced in some undisclosed location this entire time?
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 8 January 2018 22:52 (six years ago) link
Also, it's as meaningless as any other proposal he has ever made - including his marriage proposals! - but expanding high-speed internet into rural America seems like a good idea.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 8 January 2018 22:55 (six years ago) link
I'm sure whichever Trump campaign contributor gets that contract will do an amazing job.
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 8 January 2018 23:00 (six years ago) link
uh... Tillerson and Mattis are reportedly trying to hold Trump back from striking North Korea
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 8 January 2018 23:29 (six years ago) link
The best nuclear war, the biggest, have you seen our beautiful bombs? You are so lucky I gave you that privilege!
― Zelda Zonk, Monday, 8 January 2018 23:44 (six years ago) link
Well, it was nice knowing you all
― Moodles, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 00:09 (six years ago) link
i will survive
wolff's explanation of how the leak torrent developed seems plausible enough
Analysis or argument or PowerPoint did not work. But who said what to Trump and when often did. If, at Bannon’s prodding, Rebekah Mercer called him, that had an effect. Priebus could count on Paul Ryan’s clout with him. If Kushner set up Murdoch to call, that registered. At the same time, each successive call mostly canceled the others out.
This paralysis led the three advisers to rely on the other particularly effective way to move him, which was to use the media. Hence each man became an inveterate and polished leaker. Bannon and Kushner studiously avoided press exposure; two of the most powerful people in government were, for the most part, entirely silent, eschewing almost all interviews and even the traditional political conversations on Sunday morning television. Curiously, however, both men became the background voices to virtually all media coverage of the White House. Early on, before getting down to attacking each other, Bannon and Kushner were united in their separate offensives against Priebus. Kushner’s preferred outlet was Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski’s Morning Joe, one of the president’s certain morning shows. Bannon’s first port of call was the alt-right media (“Bannon’s Breitbart shenanigans,” in Walsh’s view). By the end of the first month in the White House, Bannon and Kushner had each built a network of primary outlets, as well as secondary ones to deflect from theobviousness of the primary ones, creating a White House that simultaneously displayed extreme animosity toward the press and yet great willingness to leak to it. In this, at least, Trump’s administration was achieving a landmark transparency.
The constant leaking was often blamed on lower minions and permanent executive branch staff, culminating in late February with an all-hands meeting of staffers called by Sean Spicer — cell phones surrendered at the door — during which the press secretary issued threats of random phone checks and admonitions about the use of encrypted texting apps. Everybody was a potential leaker; everybody was accusing everybody else of being a leaker.
Everybody was a leaker.
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 00:13 (six years ago) link
Problems, problems
The White House is struggling to contain the national discussion about President Trump’s mental acuity and fitness for the job, @PhilipRucker and @AshleyRParker report: https://t.co/lGxgBQNrwV— Jenna Johnson (@wpjenna) January 9, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 00:28 (six years ago) link
Well THAT'S confidence building:
“He is absolutely no different than the day he got elected, and he has used this unconventional but very effective manner of managing for the 30 years that I’ve known him in business, finance, media and now governing,” Thomas J. Barrack Jr., Trump’s longtime friend and inauguration chairman, said in an interview Monday.“It’s not mental instability,” Barrack added. “It’s management by controlled and orchestrated chaos.”
“It’s not mental instability,” Barrack added. “It’s management by controlled and orchestrated chaos.”
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 00:30 (six years ago) link
"It's not bullshit, but it is fecal matter."
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 00:31 (six years ago) link
the new york GOP can't scape together statewide candidates, which is bad news for their congressional delegation (same thing happening in CA)
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/08/new-york-republicans-trump-midterms-328245
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 00:35 (six years ago) link
wow, that royce announcements is especially good news given the recent leanings of orange county:
Royce’s decision to retire is a blow to his party’s hopes to hold onto the Democratic-trending Orange County swing seat. Royce won reelection last year by double digits even as Hillary Clinton was carrying the district by 52 percent to 43 percent — a major shift to Democrats after Mitt Romney won it by four percentage points in 2012.
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 00:38 (six years ago) link
" he has used this unconventional but very effective manner of managing for the 30 years that I’ve known him in business, finance, media " by ripping off everyone he works with left right and centre yes ok got it, at least you admit it.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 00:38 (six years ago) link
barrack knows trump via the sewer known as atlantic city so take all of what he says with a grain of salt
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 00:42 (six years ago) link
xxpost - Yeah Royce's seat is cooked and done. Rohrbacher's gotta be feeling a little less sanguine as well -- worth noting he voted against the tax bill and said so loudly. But if anything Russian-related blows up further he's dead meat.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 00:43 (six years ago) link
Oprah 2020 is not going to be a Bernie Sanders-style populist campaign. She's going to be Hillary with fewer scandals and stratospheric communication skills. She'll give us an electrifying presentation of utterly conventional politics.— Jeremy C. Young (@jeremycyoung) January 9, 2018
This is an odd comparison, but in some ways I think the world leader Oprah most resembles is Emmanuel Macron. Both are charismatic outsiders who electrify voters looking for a change, but then give them neoliberalism on steroids.— Jeremy C. Young (@jeremycyoung) January 9, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 01:49 (six years ago) link
Oh, fuck off America.
― Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 01:55 (six years ago) link
^ probably an accurate enough characterization of Oprah (xp)
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 01:56 (six years ago) link
Not an Oprah fan, although obviously she'd be a big step forward from the current occupant. I imagine he'll just preemptively lock her up before things ever get that far, though.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 02:06 (six years ago) link
not really a fan of continuing the "celeb outsider" oval office trend, even if I like Oprah for the most part.
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 02:08 (six years ago) link
What a step forward, another TV star. Kind of looking forward to China taking over in the future.
― Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 02:10 (six years ago) link
https://nypost.com/2018/01/08/fans-boo-as-trump-causes-major-logjam-at-championship-game/
― Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 02:11 (six years ago) link
As I'm sure you noticed, the bar for "big step forward" is very low at the moment.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 02:12 (six years ago) link
You can say that again, that speech she gave was fucking dire.
― Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 02:16 (six years ago) link
I vote DJP for Prez in 2020 (actually I would vote for him if he ran in all seriousness)
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 02:17 (six years ago) link
like idk, if we don't want to accomplish much we could elect our version of a tv celeb outsider who despite being a much better human being and having much more progressive values, would still spent most of her first two years in office struggling to transition from TV to the biggest job in the damn country.
though if we can't win back either the Senate or House in midterms, we're sheerly voting for an Executive veto and not much else anyway.
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 02:20 (six years ago) link
really could do without the sexist and racist screeds against her today, too....another 'ignore social media' day.
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 02:21 (six years ago) link
and fortunately I don't have the kind of relatives on my FB feed (anymore) who would be DO YOU SEE when posting photos of Oprah + Harvey Weinstein.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 02:28 (six years ago) link
Oprah was a stan for Jenny Mccarthy and her antivax BS, not to mention Dr Oz. No thanks.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 02:45 (six years ago) link
my friend defended the move by mentioning how 5 other US Presidents had no political experience.
Let's see, two of them are on most "worst Presidents" lists, one of them will make that list when his term is over, and a fourth on that list died less than halfway into his first term. Real inspiring company there.
She has a ton of positive qualities, yes, just not sure any of them qualify her for office. Just because she'd be a zillion times better than the walking abortion we have now, and because I actually like her as a person, well....that doesn't mean I want her to be President.
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 02:49 (six years ago) link
she'd be a good chief of staff
― maura, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 02:58 (six years ago) link
as long as drs. phil and oz are banned from the white house
― maura, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 02:59 (six years ago) link
Dr Oz should be banned from living above-ground
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 02:59 (six years ago) link
It’s fine if Oprah’s president because nothing matters but the next nominee should be Elizabeth Warren.
― treeship 2, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 03:34 (six years ago) link
There needs to be a broad economic program. A rich celebrity is not the right messenger for that.
― treeship 2, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 03:35 (six years ago) link
That matters more to me than experience. I would chamge my mind if Oprah made free public college, single payer healthcare, and a $15 minimum wage at the center of her message. But I don’t think she would.
― treeship 2, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 03:37 (six years ago) link
I dont think anyone would :(
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 03:43 (six years ago) link
sanders m/l already did
― Clay, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 03:44 (six years ago) link
Right. If there was a candidate who had a program like that but could also speak to minority constituencies in a way Hillary couldn’t — part of the reason for her suppressed turnout compared to Obama — that’d be the person. Maybe it’s Oprah. I don’t think so though.
― treeship 2, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 03:47 (six years ago) link
Political experience doesn’t matter though if the person otherwise has good judgment. They would have advisors to execute their program. The problem with Trump is not his lack of experience, it’s that he is a malevolent person who can’t think coherently.
― treeship 2, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 03:51 (six years ago) link
He felt women understood him. Or, the kind of women he liked — positive-outlook, can-do, loyal women, who also looked good — understood him. Everybody who successfully worked for him understood that there was always a subtext of his needs and personal tics that had to be scrupulously attended to; in this, he was not all that different from other highly successful figures, just more so. It would be hard to imagine someone who expected a greater awareness of and more catering to his peculiar whims, rhythms, prejudices, and often inchoate desires. He needed special — extra special — handling. Women, he explained to one friend with something like self-awareness, generally got this more precisely than men. In particular, women who self-selected themselves as tolerant of or oblivious to or amused by or steeled against his casual misogyny and constant sexual subtext — which was somehow, incongruously and often jarringly, matched with paternal regard — got this.
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 03:55 (six years ago) link
I had three exchanges today w/ people reflexively positing Oprah v. Trump as inevitable binary, "yeah but she'd be way better than Trump"
America fuck you
― Hadrian VIII, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 03:55 (six years ago) link
I mean, maybe we’re just going to have celebrity presidents from now on. Hope not.
― treeship 2, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 03:58 (six years ago) link
The Rock 2028
Let's go
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 04:09 (six years ago) link
can you smell what the rock is nominating
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 04:12 (six years ago) link
i'd vote for oprah but i already have a car
― bob lefse (rushomancy), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 04:12 (six years ago) link
seriously though i hate to be contrarian of the day but i would vote for oprah a thousand times over another craggy-faced, personality-free old white man with impeccable credentials and well-thought-out policy positions. that's not america anymore.
― bob lefse (rushomancy), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 04:21 (six years ago) link
you might just get your chance to vote
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 04:25 (six years ago) link
for a craggy faced man
against a craggy faced man
sorry.
seriously though i hate to be contrarian of the day
you're not, you're dope of the day
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 05:20 (six years ago) link
you're not, you're dope
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, January 9, 2018 12:20 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 05:24 (six years ago) link
aw
― Men's Scarehouse - "You're gonna like the way you're shook." (m bison), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 05:31 (six years ago) link
catching up for the day.
1: karl qft:
i have no idea what oprah's politics are (which you'd think would affect her chances of becoming president, but no, it doesn't actually matter much)
2: hoos qft:
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 05:32 (six years ago) link
like oprah being president sounds okay if the extent of your politics is "woke facebook" but where does she stand on, say, Israel?
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 05:34 (six years ago) link
"you get a capital and you get a capital and you..."
― Evan, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 05:38 (six years ago) link
can't wait to see which youtube celebrity runs in 2024 and which claymation adult swim character runs against him in 2028
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 06:10 (six years ago) link
lol like there's gonna be a 2024
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 06:14 (six years ago) link
Overly Attached Girlfriend in 2024!
― Never Learn To Mike Love (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 06:26 (six years ago) link
Meanwhile, down at a certain big football game in Atlanta:
Welcome to Atlanta @realDonaldTrump pic.twitter.com/5e6vnW9fey— Metro Atlanta DSA 🌹 (@MetroATLDSA) January 8, 2018
But there’s a message there for everyone and it is that people can unite, that democracy from below can challenge oligarchy, that imprisoned migrants can be freed, that fascism can be overcome, and that equality is emancipatory pic.twitter.com/AHp8QghzBk— Metro Atlanta DSA 🌹 (@MetroATLDSA) January 9, 2018
FYI they can't show the stadium on tv because someone has FUCK TRUMP projected on it. Ha.— RICHARD WADE HOW BOUT THEM DAWGS MORGAN (@studiowade) January 9, 2018
Activist from @MetroATLDSA: "We zoomed Downtown to our favorite location for a farewell beacon [as @realDonaldTrump departed]."#NationalChampionship pic.twitter.com/xo6cGLVcoT— Sean Keenan (@ThatSeanKeenan) January 9, 2018
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 06:35 (six years ago) link
xphttps://tse4.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.Ffa3lL5tD_33uc6D7GJjhgAAAA&pid=15.1&P=0&w=300&h=300
Satan/Gary 2028 - In your heart you know they're the ones.
― nickn, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 06:39 (six years ago) link
I've been asked what I would've done with the 'Fire and Fury' cover by some folks who think the existing cover design is a disaster and a missed opportunity, so here is what I might have done with it pic.twitter.com/xV8W3L8oYu— Edel Rodriguez (@edelstudio) January 7, 2018
― Sanpaku, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 06:55 (six years ago) link
i hadn't seen the real cover before: YIKES
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 06:57 (six years ago) link
Wow.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 08:09 (six years ago) link
in other book news:
Toronto Prof's 'Fire And Fury' Book Now A Bestseller Thanks To Donald TrumpThe 2008 book about World War II is now on three bestseller lists.-01/08/2018 15:56 EST | Updated 9 hours ago-Randall Hansen logged onto Amazon after a few glasses of wine and found that his book was a bestseller.TORONTO — A Canadian professor's 10-year-old book is back on the bestseller list and he has Donald Trump to thank for it.University of Toronto professor Randall Hansen published a book in 2008 titled "Fire and Fury: The Allied Bombing of Germany, 1942-1945.''
TORONTO — A Canadian professor's 10-year-old book is back on the bestseller list and he has Donald Trump to thank for it.
University of Toronto professor Randall Hansen published a book in 2008 titled "Fire and Fury: The Allied Bombing of Germany, 1942-1945.''
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 08:16 (six years ago) link
does it still count as a bestseller after all the copies are returned by the idiots who ordered them
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 10:55 (six years ago) link
have we done this yet because uh wtf
Just saw @Oprah's empowering & inspiring speech at last night’s #GoldenGlobes. Let’s all come together, women & men, & say #TIMESUP! #United https://t.co/vpxUBJnCl7— Ivanka Trump (@IvankaTrump) January 9, 2018
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 11:02 (six years ago) link
"that speech she gave was fucking dire."
I don't think she should run for President either but c'mon, that was not a dire speech.
― akm, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 11:44 (six years ago) link
Sorry IT, but you could have stayed on the sidelines with Tiffany. Wake up to the fact that after your father, contempt will follow you for the rest of your lives.
― Sanpaku, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 11:51 (six years ago) link
She could redeem herself if she really wanted to by leaving the admin and becoming a critic of her father
― treeship 2, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 11:55 (six years ago) link
nah she'll wait until he's dead before she makes that pivot
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 12:05 (six years ago) link
just think of all those lovely 'ivanka trump's road to redemption' headlines
Lol you’re right, that’s definitely what will happen.
― treeship 2, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 12:34 (six years ago) link
It must be hard when your loyalties are divided between the lady who introduced you to Steinbeck and the father who openly wants to have sex with you.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 13:04 (six years ago) link
Oprah hates paying taxes, she's said, so there'd be continuity
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 13:26 (six years ago) link
OOBRHA WINFREDY FOR PRESIDETN
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 13:33 (six years ago) link
"like oprah being president sounds okay if the extent of your politics is "woke facebook" but where does she stand on, say, Israel?
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses)"
i mean, why would this matter? the main thing about having non-politicians for president is that they are more than ordinarily subsceptible to being manipulated by the people around them. in terms of america as a global leader this is obviously a terrible fucking idea, but a late julio-claudian presidency would be improved by not having the worst people in america fighting with each other to decide policy - and i do believe that oprah, if she runs as a democratic, would attract a better class of narcissistic manipulators.
trying to bring back in america where voters make rational decisions motivated by policy and facts is a fool's errand because that america never existed. the most important thing the democratic party needs to learn is to never run an uncharismatic candidate for president again.
― bob lefse (rushomancy), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 13:45 (six years ago) link
Trump was convinced to run and secretly financed by Oprah, who knew that a brief Trump presidency would be enough to get a sizable portion of the skeptical voting public to break down and desperately implore, 'help us, Oprah Winfrey, you're our only hope.'
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 13:47 (six years ago) link
lmao I sometimes mistake myself for hopeless or cynical and then I read ILX again and remind myself there are greater depths to plumb xp
― Simon H., Tuesday, 9 January 2018 13:49 (six years ago) link
Speaking of cynical, it's occurring to me lately that I've been feeling something akin to an unconscious need for something overtly catastrophic to occur as a direct result of a Trump presidency, because if we somehow manage to survive (however compromised that survival may be) an entire four years with an anthropomorphized hemorrhoid at the helm, then I have to concede that the office of president basically means nothing. Like, you could place a can of corn somewhere in the Oval Office for four years and achieve roughly the same results.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 13:55 (six years ago) link
So why not Oprah. Fuck it.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 13:56 (six years ago) link
Would vote Can of Corn 2020.
― Jeff, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 13:57 (six years ago) link
i think we should all have 15 minutes as president
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 14:00 (six years ago) link
xp depends on whether the corn is sustainably sourced imo
― and she could see an earmuff factory (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 14:01 (six years ago) link
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch)
basically. i mean as opposed to who? cory booker? mark zuckerberg? my opinion doesn't mean shit when it comes to who runs against trump in 2020. whoever it is i'll vote for them. maybe that vote will "matter", maybe it won't. i'm not putting money down on the horse race.
― bob lefse (rushomancy), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 14:21 (six years ago) link
the letter from holt's counsel to charles harder is so good, and it ends with a dare that's basically "you know that if you sue us, you'll have to crack open all of trump's books, right?"
NEW: Counsel to "Fire and Fury" author and publisher responds to Pres. Trump's legal counsel: "My clients do not intend to cease publication, no such retraction will occur, and no apology is warranted." https://t.co/p1ddu9HPve pic.twitter.com/K1VvetpXYg— ABC News Politics (@ABCPolitics) January 8, 2018
― maura, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 14:27 (six years ago) link
Please, Donald, Don't Sue Them
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 14:29 (six years ago) link
charles harder is straight-up evil though
also i bet trump is steamed that this letter was written by a woman
― maura, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 14:34 (six years ago) link
Only if the person reading the letter to him mentioned her name. And then very pointedly stated, after locking eyes with the president and dangling a treat before him to make sure they had his full attention, that the name they read was a woman's name.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 14:42 (six years ago) link
You know what I like about Oprah Winfrey? I'm pretty convinced that her heart is in the right place. Is she qualified to be President? Oh, hell no. Never in a million years.
Does this matter? I mean, is there a person in this country who could be elected President in 2020 and run America as a functioning democracy? I see no evidence or cause to believe this.
So I'll take what we can get, and what we can get is someone who preaches kindness, rather than the uncompromising ideological cruelty of every single Republican who has held national office in my lifetime.
― bob lefse (rushomancy), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 14:44 (six years ago) link
Between the Oprah speech Sunday night and Kendrick's halftime performance last night, kinda feels like a cultural shadow cabinet taking shape. (I haven't dug into the social media response to Kendrick, but I gather it predictably baffled/outraged a Venn diagram of old/white people.)
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 14:47 (six years ago) link
I hate to take the bait by taking any of this seriously uhh didn't oprah give poisonous hucksters like Dr. Phil and Oz careers?
― Simon H., Tuesday, 9 January 2018 14:48 (six years ago) link
there are no good billionaires is basically how i break it down to an extent
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 14:51 (six years ago) link
Yeah, I mean if we're honestly discussing the prospect (and god knows, we might as well prepare ourselves for the day that it's more than a wild hypothetical), Oprah has shown very poor judgment wrt the people whose careers she's launched.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 14:52 (six years ago) link
With the way things are shaping up it seems quite likely that there will be Dem majorities in every branch in 2020, and that things should therefore be able to function quite well. It seems like a good year for a competent candidate with big ideas, compared to 2016, where the job of any Dem president would just have been to stave off the GOP lunatics and hope the chaos died down / stuff the courts. Which is again why no-idea Hillary would have been perfect, sigh. Oprah would probably have been a better choice then, though.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 14:54 (six years ago) link
cultural shadow cabinet taking shape
Nice phrase, and it'll piss off white people
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 14:56 (six years ago) link
watched Kendrick last night, he didn't veer off script did he? played the hits, etc.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 14:56 (six years ago) link
― Simon H.
oh yes, she's grossly incompetent when it comes to evidence-based medicine. considering a good chunk of my job involves combating medical quackery, which is hard enough as it is, oprah as president would almost certainly make my professional life way, way more difficult.
but if she can go on tv and convince america that anybody who thinks poor children with cancer deserve to die is a bad and wrong person, it's worth it.
― bob lefse (rushomancy), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 14:57 (six years ago) link
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara)
there are no good people. the sooner we collectively accept that the better a chance we have.
― bob lefse (rushomancy), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 14:58 (six years ago) link
rusho if you really believe that why do you care about anything
― Simon H., Tuesday, 9 January 2018 15:01 (six years ago) link
because my values are not based around dividing the world into "good people" and "bad people"
― bob lefse (rushomancy), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 15:02 (six years ago) link
yes i know i directly used the phrase "bad and wrong person" two posts ago, oh fuck it i can't express moral nuance on the internet, i'll see y'all next month
― bob lefse (rushomancy), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 15:05 (six years ago) link
delusional donald divides us
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 15:06 (six years ago) link
p sure nuance is illegal on the internet
― Simon H., Tuesday, 9 January 2018 15:06 (six years ago) link
yeah she should go on tv and convince people that poor children with cancer should be treated with homeopathy instead
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 15:08 (six years ago) link
no-idea Hillary
Oh god can we please not keep saying this? You don't have to like her or her politics, but it is utterly false to say she had no policies on offer other than being non-Trump. There were, and are, hundreds and hundreds of pages of stuff.
― and she could see an earmuff factory (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 15:09 (six years ago) link
baby steps, bizarro. baby steps.
― bob lefse (rushomancy), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 15:12 (six years ago) link
look i know we all like to have fun here on ilx but srsly there is no reality where a genuine answer to our current political problems is putting more billionaires in charge
the fact that billionaires can exist at all is one of the most serious problems at the heart of the system
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 15:18 (six years ago) link
― and she could see an earmuff factory (Ye Mad Puffin), 9. januar 2018 16:09 (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
In her own description of the campaign, she admits that she didn't run on big ideas because they would have been impossible to enact, and that this probably was a mistake. I agree, she had a lot of good policies, that speech in Harlem is still inspiring, but it's not wrong that she ran on being a caretaker. Which of course is all that any Dem candidate could have hoped for, so it continues to be a plus in my book.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 15:18 (six years ago) link
bizarro otm as per usual. We need to just hold off on presidential elections altogether until Bezos crosses the next threshold and we can elect the trillionaire president we so desperately need.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 15:22 (six years ago) link
FOR ME TO POOP ON.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 15:23 (six years ago) link
I'm just under zero illusions that this is a genie we can easily put back into the bottle at this point. I think the sad fact is that the Dems either back someone with real name recognition in 2020 or they hand Trump the opportunity of an easy win against like Tim Kaine (look for his book, What Happened Now!! sometime in late 2021).
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 15:30 (six years ago) link
DACA meeting at the White House today with a wacky cast of characters--from Dems ready to shutdown to force a DACA deal in Dec to, uh, Stephen "World's Oldest High School Senior" Miller
trying not to get my hopes up
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 15:47 (six years ago) link
when stephen was in egypt land, 'let my stephen go'
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 15:49 (six years ago) link
they hand Trump the opportunity of an easy win against like Tim Kaine
who?
― Simon H., Tuesday, 9 January 2018 15:56 (six years ago) link
our players:
President Trumpchief of staff John KellyDHS Secretary Kirstjen Nielsenpolicy adviser Stephen Millerlegislative affairs director Marc ShortSenate Republicans: Sens. John Cornyn (R-Texas), Tom Cotton (R-Ark.), Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.), Cory Gardner (R-Colo.), Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), James Lankford (R-Okla.), David Perdue (R-Ga.), Thom Tillis (R-N.C.)Senate Democrats: Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), Heidi Heitkamp (D-N.D.), Bob Menendez (D-N.J.), Jon Tester (D-Mont.)House Republicans: House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy, Rep. Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.), Michael McCaul (R-Texas)House Democrats: Steny Hoyer (D-Md.), Henry Cuellar (D-Texas), and Bennie Thompson (D-Miss.)
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 15:57 (six years ago) link
real row of murderers there...
― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 16:04 (six years ago) link
regulators just rejected Trump/Perry's coal plant bailout. it ain't gonna save the world, but i'll take it.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 16:10 (six years ago) link
― sleeve, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 16:11 (six years ago) link
I am running for the U.S. Senate from the Great State of Arizona, for one unwavering reason: to support the agenda and policies of President Donald Trump in his mission to Make America Great Again. https://t.co/ANppBdDOtp— Joe Arpaio (@RealSheriffJoe) January 9, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 16:20 (six years ago) link
hoo boy
― sleeve, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 16:21 (six years ago) link
Possible he splits the #MAGA vote and takes more votes from Ward than McSally. Still, things are generally going badly for Republicans in Arizona, which should probably rate as "leans Democratic" rather than "tossup" in this sort of political environment. https://t.co/6oekudu6V3— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) January 9, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 16:24 (six years ago) link
oh fuck off joe
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 16:24 (six years ago) link
Please let Trump openly support Arpaio's election, please let Trump openly support Arpaio's election...
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 16:26 (six years ago) link
I was crossing my fingers behind my back the whole time I gave my 'support' Losin' Joe during his campaign. Sad!
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 16:27 (six years ago) link
luv2run for senate at 85 years old
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 16:28 (six years ago) link
yeah i mean i should just resign myself to Always The Worst Outcome but i really dont think arpaio is gonna manage it and yes, trump supporting him would be a good thing
― gbx, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 16:29 (six years ago) link
Arpaio will come out in favor of slavery surely
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 16:33 (six years ago) link
the final page of that letter from the wolff's lawyers is great
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 16:35 (six years ago) link
after seeing Wolff on Colbert I kinda doubt he's actually got tapes, but one can hope. why not just release them?
― frogbs, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 16:46 (six years ago) link
He pretty much completely dodged the question about releasing the tapes during his Today Show interview.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 16:49 (six years ago) link
He pretty much directly answered it on Colbert
― Haribo Hancock (sic), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 16:55 (six years ago) link
well tommy did write the room right after seeing the talented mr. ripley
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/01/why-do-republicans-keep-defending-donald-trump.html
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 16:56 (six years ago) link
how? "why release tapes when I'm a writer?" - because the Trump administration denies everything and attacks your character, a little bit of proof would go a long way
― frogbs, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 16:56 (six years ago) link
It's that quaint belief that faithful reportage will be accepted as fact rather than that thing where the person who bellows the loudest and uses the most expletives gets to dictate the shape objective reality.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 17:00 (six years ago) link
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 17:02 (six years ago) link
stfu
― sleeve, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 17:04 (six years ago) link
yes sir!
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 17:06 (six years ago) link
lol sleeve wtf ? i got used to him saying that everyday now xp
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 17:06 (six years ago) link
Hi sleeve very root in these threads what can you do?
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 17:08 (six years ago) link
(No beefs with sleeve but he's been p vocal about his distaste for my own Trump-related posts. It's a touchy subject, I geddit.)
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 17:10 (six years ago) link
‘beef sleeve’ is def a euphemism for something utterly vile on urbandictionary but i’m not checkin
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 17:13 (six years ago) link
― sleeve, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 17:16 (six years ago) link
phew, feel safer now. no longer interested in president trump's tax returns, nor his response to the russians just hacking the mexican election
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mexico-russia-usa/russia-meddling-in-mexican-election-white-house-aide-mcmaster-idUSKBN1EW0UD
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 17:18 (six years ago) link
Image too big, but has to be seen. And has to be fake, right?
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 17:23 (six years ago) link
yeah already debunked
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 17:23 (six years ago) link
Transcript in fullMiller: Jake, what I care about is having three minutes to tell the truth about the President of the United States.Tapper: You had plenty of time. I let you give like a three-minute filibuster at the very top.Miller: You gave me two minutes.Tapper: Stephen. Okay. Thanks for coming.Miller: You should be ashamed of yourself, honestly.Tapper: This is the reason they don't put you out on TV, okay. This is the reason.Miller: No, Jake, you brought me on to talk about the Camp David summit and you -Tapper: First of all, I had plenty of questions about immigration, but you kept telling the same story over and over.Miller: Because you’re asking about the salacious – (inaudible)Miller (cont.): Look that’s all you want to talk about and you don’t have any interest in talking about –Tapper: I had plenty of questions but you kept on repeating yourself and kept on not letting me ask my questions.Miller: Really, because you’re (inaudible) calling me a factotum.Tapper: After you spent the entire interview attacking CNN and (inaudible), OK, so don’t act all offended.Miller: I'm not acting offended. I am offended. I'm offended by you and I'm offended by your network.
Miller: Jake, what I care about is having three minutes to tell the truth about the President of the United States.
Tapper: You had plenty of time. I let you give like a three-minute filibuster at the very top.
Miller: You gave me two minutes.
Tapper: Stephen. Okay. Thanks for coming.
Miller: You should be ashamed of yourself, honestly.
Tapper: This is the reason they don't put you out on TV, okay. This is the reason.
Miller: No, Jake, you brought me on to talk about the Camp David summit and you -
Tapper: First of all, I had plenty of questions about immigration, but you kept telling the same story over and over.
Miller: Because you’re asking about the salacious – (inaudible)
Miller (cont.): Look that’s all you want to talk about and you don’t have any interest in talking about –
Tapper: I had plenty of questions but you kept on repeating yourself and kept on not letting me ask my questions.
Miller: Really, because you’re (inaudible) calling me a factotum.
Tapper: After you spent the entire interview attacking CNN and (inaudible), OK, so don’t act all offended.
Miller: I'm not acting offended. I am offended. I'm offended by you and I'm offended by your network.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 17:23 (six years ago) link
look at all these fuckin white cops
On behalf of the American people, THANK YOU to our incredible law enforcement officers. As President of the United States - I will fight for you, and I will never, ever let you down. Now, more than ever, we must support the men and women in blue! #LawEnforcementAppreciationDay pic.twitter.com/Qb4uxB4JRm— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 9, 2018
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 17:24 (six years ago) link
we could pay them more instead of cutting the corporate tax rate for starters
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 17:26 (six years ago) link
or maybe train them properly so they don’t needlessly murder hundreds if not thousands of citizens of cItizens every year while acting like an occupying army
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 17:28 (six years ago) link
how? "why release tapes when I'm a writer?" - because the Trump administration denies everything and attacks your character, a little bit of proof would go a long wayTrump denies that it was him on the Billy Bush tapes or John Barron voicemails, why would you suddenly take this proof as more definitive
― Haribo Hancock (sic), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 17:29 (six years ago) link
trump may think that but does anyone else?
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 17:30 (six years ago) link
Everyone who automatically thinks whatever Trump says.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 17:34 (six years ago) link
I think even the "deplorables" accept it's him in the Bush tapes
― Evan, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 17:36 (six years ago) link
who is Wolff supposed to be trying to convince?
― Haribo Hancock (sic), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 17:36 (six years ago) link
we could pay them more instead of cutting the corporate tax rate for starters― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, January 9, 2018 5:26 PM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, January 9, 2018 5:26 PM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
or hire other people to do the jobs the police are manifestly unsuited for like dealing with mental illness, domestic disputes, etc.
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 17:36 (six years ago) link
Since Google is shit for important research of this sort, can anyone find a prior reference to anyone in the history of the English language self-identifying as a 'stable genius'? And, if so, the amount of time that lapsed between the obvious red flag of the utterance and the time that they were committed to a psychiatric hospital and/or began their killing spree?
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 17:37 (six years ago) link
and help fund that through legal weed sales taxes
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 17:39 (six years ago) link
Miller: Jake, what I care about is having three minutes to tell the truth about the President of the United States.Tapper: You had plenty of time. I let you give like a three-minute filibuster at the very top.Miller: You gave me two minutes.
lol fuck this guy. I WANT THREE MINUTES. I gave you three. YOU ONLY GAVE ME TWO.
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 17:39 (six years ago) link
That's pretty low on the 'reasons why fuck Stephen Miller' list.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 17:40 (six years ago) link
not quite the same but there is recent precedent in the uk of a leader repeatedly professing strong and stable leadership in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary https://cdn-03.independent.ie/incoming/article35806061.ece/c1427/AUTOCROP/w620/27may.jpg
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 17:40 (six years ago) link
There is no gain playing by the rules with Trump. We've had a year+ of people playing by the rules. By any standard, Trump should not be president. But here we are, so the more writers like Wolff who just do not give a fuck the better, I say. As that GQ essay above opined, Wolff is an unscrupulous, ethically dubious sleeze, which is what made him the perfect person to get this dirt and write a book. God knows, any number of reporters and idiots have/had access to the same dirt - as citizens we witness it regularly! - but those other reporters and idiots have reasons for not going the name-names in public Wolff route. So screw "proof," it would just get twisted and discredited and devalued. As Trump himself knows, sometimes the threat of recordings is more effective than actual recordings.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 17:41 (six years ago) link
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 17:42 (six years ago) link
Girl, let me give you a bulleted list of arguments for why you should rethink that restraining order.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 17:46 (six years ago) link
lots of O_O in this:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-resubmits-nominees-stalled-in-2017
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 17:47 (six years ago) link
probably more o_O
good for Jake Tapper, asking the touch questions about Salacious Crumb
― porg and bess (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 17:49 (six years ago) link
***tough questions
never gonna happen for a whole lot of reasons but it'd be nice if leftists would start infiltrating law enforcement the way white nationalists have, if for no other reason than to monkeywrench it.
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 17:54 (six years ago) link
"Hey! You there! What are you doing with that side-screen TV?"
"Uh, liberating it from the oppression of the ruling classes and redistributing it to the proletariat?"
"Just so. Carry on, mate!"
― and she could see an earmuff factory (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 18:03 (six years ago) link
*wide-screen
Trump also renominated GOP Kansas Gov. Sam Brownback to be the ambassador at large for international religious freedom.
whew I worried Trump wouldn't have anything worthy of Brownback's talents
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 18:06 (six years ago) link
has mr. trump announced yet whom he's appointing to oversee the russian sanctions?
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 18:17 (six years ago) link
Hmmm
NEWS: Dianne Feinstein unilaterally releases Fusion GPS co-founder's full testimony to the Senate Judiciary Committee. https://t.co/dP4LPTRoKt— Byron Tau (@ByronTau) January 9, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 18:17 (six years ago) link
Congrats to the WH reporters who had a chance today to ask Trump anything at all and went with "Can you beat Oprah?"— Gary Legum (@GaryLegum) January 9, 2018
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 18:20 (six years ago) link
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, January 9, 2018 1:06 PM (twenty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
should've made brownback the ambassador to The Sun
― porg and bess (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 18:27 (six years ago) link
the astronomical body, not the rag
Read that as "trump also reanimated GOP" and i was, no the GOP is still undead, which is unfair for the other undead, really.
― Hunt3r, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 18:40 (six years ago) link
Seriously. The GOP has no interest in brains.
― Bobby Buttrock (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 18:45 (six years ago) link
https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/_cache/files/3/9/3974a291-ddbe-4525-9ed1-22bab43c05ae/934A3562824CACA7BB4D915E97709D2F.simpson-transcript-redacted.pdf
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 18:50 (six years ago) link
Fusion GPS testimony
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 18:52 (six years ago) link
(As I linked earlier.)
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 18:57 (six years ago) link
My bad I didn't notice
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 18:58 (six years ago) link
Matt Yglesias points out this on p 175:
"Essentially what he told me was they had other intelligence about this matter from an internal Trump campaign source and that -- that they -- my understanding was that they believed Chris at this point -- that they believed Chris's information might be credible because they had other intelligence that indicated the same thing and one of those pieces of intelligence was a human source from inside the Trump organization."
― Dan S, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 19:05 (six years ago) link
and p 175-176:
"We had been really careful -- I was really careful throughout this process to not ask a lot of specific sourcing questions. There are some things I know that I just don't feel comfortable sharing because obviously it's been in the news a lot lately that people who get in the way of the Russian tend to get hurt"
― Dan S, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 19:08 (six years ago) link
seth abramson has started a pretty comprehensive liveblog thread of his read from here
(THREAD) BREAKING: In an extraordinary move, Sen. Feinstein (D-CA) has *unilaterally* released the transcript of Fusion GPS's testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee. What follows is a live-read of the transcript by a former criminal defense attorney. Hope you'll share. pic.twitter.com/6R40eHmYqM— Seth Abramson (@SethAbramson) January 9, 2018
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 19:12 (six years ago) link
not relevant to that thread but
Seth Abramson = (Eric Garland + Louise Mensch) - cocaine psychosis— maple cocaine (@historyinflicks) January 8, 2018
― Simon H., Tuesday, 9 January 2018 19:22 (six years ago) link
one of those pieces of intelligence was a human source from inside the Trump organization
BZZZZZT! Obviously FAKE NEWS.
No one who can be described as "human" would work for the Trump organization.
― and she could see an earmuff factory (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 19:23 (six years ago) link
re: abrahamson: the transcript is 312 pages long - how about he finishes reading the whole thing and then writes some kind of summary of the important parts?
― Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 19:23 (six years ago) link
because then he wouldn't get to create a triple-digit thread
― Simon H., Tuesday, 9 January 2018 19:24 (six years ago) link
An addendum
A source close to Fusion GPS tells me there was no walk-in source -- that was a mischaracterization by Simpson of the Australian diplomat tip about Papadopoulis.— Ken Dilanian (@KenDilanianNBC) January 9, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 19:30 (six years ago) link
lmao this thing is 312 pages long there's no way he's keeping it to triple-digit tweets
― frogbs, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 19:30 (six years ago) link
This is awesome. Portland's city officials - police, judges, mayor - insisted they have the right to search people's trash with no warrants. So local alt-weekly (@wweek) went through their trash and published the contents (via @bartongellman) https://t.co/32GXF0v9uV pic.twitter.com/RIv5HKSWcL— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) January 9, 2018
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 19:32 (six years ago) link
Thanks, Glenn, 12 years later.
― by the light of the burning Citroën, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 19:33 (six years ago) link
"...an email prepping the mayor about his job application to be police chief of Los Angeles..."
whoa! that is amazing.
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 19:33 (six years ago) link
why is the “original publish” date on this story from 2002
― maura, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 19:35 (six years ago) link
it's never too late to chuckle at Portlandia
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 19:37 (six years ago) link
"Are you now - or have you ever been - a devotee of organic seitan?"
"You present yourself as a champion of local microbrews; care to explain this Miller Genuine Draft Can?"
"This jar of fair-trade tahini expired fifteen months ago. So, sir, why is it in your recycling bin only this week?"
"According to this receipt, you purchased your beloved puppy, Mr. SnuggleMittens, from a corporate pet shop, rather than adopting him from a reputable nonprofit shelter, as you claimed in your campaign. Also, his poops are kind of runny what exactly are you feeding him?"
― and she could see an earmuff factory (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 19:45 (six years ago) link
.@realDonaldTrump hands are seen as he listens to members of congress discuss Immigration reform in the Cabinet Room of the White House. #45POTUS pic.twitter.com/WdutrbFah9— Doug Mills (@dougmillsnyt) January 9, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 19:46 (six years ago) link
Dolt 45
― and she could see an earmuff factory (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 19:48 (six years ago) link
^ please be next month's politics title
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 20:03 (six years ago) link
Mr Levy: Somebody's already been killed as a result of the publication of this dossier.
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 20:13 (six years ago) link
Yeah I'd love to know more about that.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 20:14 (six years ago) link
Anyway finished my skim-read. I guess most of the key details are out there -- extra comment I've seen is that when Simpson talks about how Steele was getting cold-shouldered by the FBI towards the end of October 2016, a distinction might have to be made between 'the FBI' and a particular field office, scuttlebutt saying that would be the NY one.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 20:15 (six years ago) link
Confusion!
During the talks in the Cabinet Room, Trump appeared at one point to agree with Sen. Dianne Feinstein, who said Democrats are seeking a "clean" DACA bill without additional border security provisions. House Majority Leaders Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) then interjected to insist that Republicans want security included.
"Mr. President, you need to be clear, though," McCarthy said. When we talk about just DACA, we don't want to be back here two years later. We have to have security."
Trump responded: "I think that's what she's saying."
Further confusing matters, Trump also said he hoped to pursue a "comprehensive" immigration bill after lawmakers strike a deal on the dreamers. Comprehensive bills, which would deal with work visas and other elements of the immigration system, failed on Capitol Hill during the tenures of both Barack Obama and George W. Bush.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 20:17 (six years ago) link
You just can't believe him!
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 20:20 (six years ago) link
Mmmm, I don't know, I'm pretty sure Donald Trump invented the word 'comprehensive' while he was speaking it and that it means something other than what you think it means.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 20:20 (six years ago) link
maybe he meant 'comprehensible', which in his case would be a bulleted list with three items on it.
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 20:22 (six years ago) link
He reminds me of people I've worked with/for who are terrified of ever appearing ignorant and so they boldly say things and make decisions in ignorance and, well, what's that 'better to remain silent' proverb again?
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 20:23 (six years ago) link
Also, allegedly this is the death in question:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/27/mystery-death-ex-kgb-chief-linked-mi6-spys-dossier-donald-trump/
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 20:23 (six years ago) link
fwiw Steele has denied having anything to do with Erovinkin - though you might say he would say that.
― Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 20:27 (six years ago) link
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Tuesday, January 9, 2018 3:20 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, January 9, 2018
maybe he meant "contemptible"
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 20:28 (six years ago) link
Occam would suggest he thought it was lunchtime and was struggling through an attempt at ordering a quesadilla.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 20:31 (six years ago) link
http://starcasm.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Donald_Trump_taco_bowl_Trump_Tower.jpg
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 20:33 (six years ago) link
Xpost not only did Greenwald link an article from 16 years ago but he’s unaware that he’s mad about something that’s been legal for longer then that.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 20:43 (six years ago) link
he's running
Steve Bannon is stepping down from his post as executive chairman of Breitbart News, the company will announce on Tuesday https://t.co/RLxbbiYQkt pic.twitter.com/n43vvuUU62— NYT Politics (@nytpolitics) January 9, 2018
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 21:04 (six years ago) link
o please please please
― and she could see an earmuff factory (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 21:05 (six years ago) link
wait, for what?
― how's life, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 21:06 (six years ago) link
nah, he wouldn't launch a run at the low point of his recent career (perceived responsibility for moore + banishment from trump supporters + loss of $ support), right?
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 21:07 (six years ago) link
if ever there was a man ideally equipped for the physical rigours of the campaign trail, it's steve bannon
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 21:07 (six years ago) link
(i was joking)
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 21:08 (six years ago) link
heh, i figured. but really, in a newsday that also includes arpaio running for senator, nothing seems too outlandish for me anymore
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 21:09 (six years ago) link
i just wasn't sure if I had missed something.
― how's life, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 21:10 (six years ago) link
he's stepping down = no Mercer money for Beetbort until Steve is dumped
― President Keyes, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 21:16 (six years ago) link
yup, that sounds right
― sleeve, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 21:21 (six years ago) link
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, January 9, 2018 8:23 PM (fifty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
and lest we forget
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-diplomats-deaths-theories-putin-kremlin-a7602201.html
Unexpected deaths of six Russian diplomats in four months triggers conspiracy theoriesSeveral deaths have been described as 'heart attacks' or the result of a 'brief illness' by officials, in some cases despite evidence to the contrary
27 February 2017
― Milton Parker, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 21:22 (six years ago) link
one immensely frustrating thing for me is that i have close relatives who are huge bannon fans who often look me in the eye and say "follow the money" whenever referencing politics, as a signal that anything that is evil is ultimately funded by an evil billionaire...who is always a "liberal". and yet they will never, EVER follow their own advice with respect to steve bannon, breitbart, and mercer.
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 21:28 (six years ago) link
"Mother Jones reports Grassley now says the transcript shows Simpson was "uncooperative, colluding with Russia and colluding with the Democrats." I ask everyone reading this thread to click on the link to the transcript and confirm this is a lie."
― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 21:31 (six years ago) link
sorry just the grassley part is important
Strikes me as autobabble. I mean, dude freely admits to being a typical Beltway barnacle and all.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 21:55 (six years ago) link
Per people close to Bannon, he is wistful but has referenced Thomas Cromwell in recent days, noting that Cromwell guided a King but it never lasts... and Cromwell was eventually sent to the Tower.— Robert Costa (@costareports) January 9, 2018
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 21:57 (six years ago) link
at least he didn't end up like oleg erovinkin
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 22:04 (six years ago) link
a man for all lesions
― bread bags of courage (brownie), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 22:05 (six years ago) link
sorry, wrong Thomas
I'm not exactly surprised the GOP is tripling down on Trump at this point but Lindsay Graham's sudden and frequent bootlicking is very odd
― frogbs, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 22:07 (six years ago) link
tapes n tapes
― Hunt3r, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 22:10 (six years ago) link
bannon sucks but am i wrong in thinking he is the most likeable / charismatic / interesting person in the trump universe?
― marcos, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 22:13 (six years ago) link
xp Trump has gotta have serious dirt on Graham
― sleeve, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 22:14 (six years ago) link
Yeah, why assume Trump is the only one with a pee tape? We're so busy getting pissed off that we've lost track of all the people getting pissed on.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 22:15 (six years ago) link
wow bannon read another book
― maura, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 22:15 (six years ago) link
marcos: most interesting, I will grant. not most likeable (that's probably Haley) or most charismatic (maybe Ivanka?)
― dunsinane in the membrane (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 22:16 (six years ago) link
Bannon was fired from the WH but kept on advising Trump. For that matter, he kept on advising Beetbort when he was at the WH. I doubt he's off to wander the wilderness.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 22:17 (six years ago) link
(xp with the caveat that in Trumpverse we are sort of talking whether herpes is more likeable than scabies)
― dunsinane in the membrane (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 22:17 (six years ago) link
he is a reprehensible piece of shit but fwiw i would have a drink or smoke a joint w/ him and bullshit a little. i can't say the same for a lot of these people, esp trump himself
i had a dream the other night in which i had an opportunity to meet trump, but i had to go through a security check process w/ secret service and i had a little weed in my pocket. in the dream i ultimately decided that meeting donald trump was not worth ditching my little half gram of weed
― marcos, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 22:21 (six years ago) link
Torrented Wolf Hall and looked up the end on Wikipedia
― grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 22:21 (six years ago) link
half gram of weed > potus trump
Yeah, why assume Trump is the only one with a pee tape? We're so busy getting pissed off that we've lost track of all the people getting pissed on.― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, January 9, 2018 10:15 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, January 9, 2018 10:15 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
kane_clap.gif
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 22:25 (six years ago) link
To the tune of "American Pie"
My only sadness is the stain Bannon placed on Andrew Breitbart’s name.— Ben Shapiro (@benshapiro) January 9, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 22:31 (six years ago) link
AP:
President Donald Trump is getting his first medical checkup since taking office, a head-to-toe exam on Friday as questions swirl about the health and fitness of the oldest person ever elected to the nation’s highest office. In advance, the 71-year-old president has pushed back vigorously against suggestions he’s mentally unfit, declaring himself “a very stable genius.”
Trump will not undergo a psychiatric exam, the White House said. Officials did not address a different type of screening, assessments of cognitive status that examine neurologic functions including memory. Cognitive assessments aren’t routine in standard physicals, although they recently became covered in Medicare’s annual wellness visits for seniors.
Dr. Ronny L. Jackson, a Navy rear admiral who is the president’s official physician and director of the White House Medical Unit, is coordinating the exam. Jackson provided care for President Barack Obama, conducting and supervising the last of three physicals Obama had during his eight years in office.
so it won't be his Dr Nick
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 22:32 (six years ago) link
Trump's going to Davos this month -- I wonder who will have the nerve to give him an earful?https://www.vox.com/world/2018/1/9/16868996/donald-trump-davos-world-economic-forum-attend-2018
― WilliamC, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 22:42 (six years ago) link
Serious q on that front: does he drive? Cos dont people that age have to retake cognitive/driving tests frequently so they dont mow everone down, Mr Burns styles?
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 22:44 (six years ago) link
Surprised they haven't left yet
"Two of the most senior officials who are on the potential departure list are Don McGahn, the White House counsel, and HR McMaster, the national security adviser." Facing staffing exodus, Trump struggles to fill West Wing https://t.co/YdbeKXzofK— Jim Sciutto (@jimsciutto) January 9, 2018
Even funnier detail:
In recent months, top advisers on foreign and domestic policy have announced their departures. Additional aides are expected to make their exit in the coming weeks. Chief of staff John Kelly has embarked upon an effort to fill the ranks by the end of January. But the absence of willing and qualified replacements, paired with a lengthy hiring process, make it unlikely he'll reach that goal.Kelly has been trying to take the reins of staffing in the West Wing since his elevation last summer. But the task has taken on heightened urgency."Kelly is eating bullets every day by himself and doesn't have a lot of help," said one person familiar with the personnel situation. "He needs reinforcements."
Kelly has been trying to take the reins of staffing in the West Wing since his elevation last summer. But the task has taken on heightened urgency.
"Kelly is eating bullets every day by himself and doesn't have a lot of help," said one person familiar with the personnel situation. "He needs reinforcements."
You wanted the job, dude.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 22:45 (six years ago) link
McMaster out is good news on the Avoiding War front, surely
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 22:48 (six years ago) link
not necessarily
While Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and Secretary of Defense James Mattis are focused on diplomatic efforts to curb North Korea’s nuclear program, McMaster “is arguing more vocally, publicly and privately, that military options need to be considered,” The Wall Street Journal noted on Tuesday.
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 22:50 (six years ago) link
outside of the Mooch yea
he seems to be at least somewhat grounded in reality at least. I feel like he's the only one in that administration that isn't just blatantly lying all the time.
― frogbs, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 22:51 (six years ago) link
wait misread you there, never mind
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 22:51 (six years ago) link
The replacement of course doesn't have to be approved by the Senate but I can't imagine anyone chomping at the bit to the third in twelve months.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 22:51 (six years ago) link
Oh, how my heart bleeds.
Bannon not hosting the Sirius show anymore either pic.twitter.com/NNCUavBIGe— Gideon Resnick (@GideonResnick) January 9, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 22:54 (six years ago) link
There was a vid going around made by (iirc) The Apprentice crew of two scoops and Barron driving around listening to Taylor Swift.
OTOH:
https://www.mercurynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/afp_mx9az.jpg?w=620
― Never Learn To Mike Love (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 23:14 (six years ago) link
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/rf/image_large/Pub/p8/PalmBeachPost/2017/03/23/Images/newsEngin.18175730_19950703-trump-gas-02A.jpg
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 23:45 (six years ago) link
I don't think he drives tbh because I believe that you're required to be able to wrap your fingers at least 3/4 of the way around a standard-sized steering wheel and I doubt he would deign to wear the finger extensions favored by other stub-fingered motorists.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 23:49 (six years ago) link
See? He doesn't even realize that a car door isn't supposed to open that way. He's a total no-drive.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 23:50 (six years ago) link
there are moments now where following his fall that I'm feeling Bannon is this real-life, well fleshed-out asshole character that would slide nicely into The Wire, but then I remember... nah, he's all asshole.
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 01:35 (six years ago) link
Special kind of asshole.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 02:00 (six years ago) link
Back in the action!
New with @swin24: Steve Bannon plans to launch a new 501c4 group in the next month or so. A focus on China and trade policy, and no Mercer funding https://t.co/sgHOQj8VLQ— Lachlan Markay (@lachlan) January 10, 2018
Or not.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 02:11 (six years ago) link
that man cannot take a bad photograph <3
― omar little, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 02:12 (six years ago) link
#wokeuplikethis
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 02:19 (six years ago) link
cooking meth has always been good to him, I don't see the shame in going back to your roots in a moment like this
― Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 02:25 (six years ago) link
Eh, "there but for the grace of god and all that..."
https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/steve-bannon-170213050691.jpg
― Sanpaku, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 02:33 (six years ago) link
https://light-in-the-attic.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/release_image/14161/image/LITA117_Highres_Cover.jpg
― omar little, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 02:38 (six years ago) link
I guess the seething why-not-me?! face predated the double-shirts
― Hadrian VIII, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 02:41 (six years ago) link
somewhere back there long before they laughed at his screenplays this guy suffered an indelible slight
― Hadrian VIII, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 02:42 (six years ago) link
What, looking like a buttface?
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 02:53 (six years ago) link
Steve Bannon’s obsession with Shakespeare’s goriest play
Their first project had a working title: Andronicus. Synopsis: Titus is the leader of the Andronicii, beings of pure light who live somewhere in the Pleiades. They’re on a mission to save Earth, but their tragedy occurs upon entering the earthly plane; the Andronicii must assume human form, and all of the painful involvements of material being, thus ensuring their downfall.
That said, his involvement in financing the Julie Taymor adaptation is, aside from a penchant for quoting Marcus Aurelius, the only thing I like about Bannon.
― Sanpaku, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 02:58 (six years ago) link
― Sanpaku
Holy shit. Why is this so unnerving?
― treeship 2, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 03:04 (six years ago) link
if Bannon flops in Washington, maybe Hollywood would take him back and finally produce another screenplay he and Jones completed together. The pitch: Shakespeare’s Coriolanus as a rap musical, set in South Central Los Angeles during the Rodney King riots.
Non political aside; the recent Coriolanus adaptation staring Ralph Fiennes and pre-fame Jessica Chastain in some post-Soviet Balkan civil war is pretty good.
― Sanpaku, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 03:07 (six years ago) link
This is fantastic http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/michael-cohen-trumps-personal-attorney-files-lawsuits-fusion/story?id=52247639
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 03:43 (six years ago) link
^ pure gold. trump's lawyers are getting another big payday. the courts get yet another time-waster they must wade through. the public gets further fitful entertainment value from their litigious president. it's a win-lose-win situation!
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 03:52 (six years ago) link
He’s suing on his own behalf! I don’t know if trump knows he’s doing this - but trump isn’t named!
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 03:57 (six years ago) link
if bannon focused on korea instead of china he'd be able to access their cutting-edge skincare. seems like a missed opportunity
― maura, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 04:05 (six years ago) link
Ohhhhhhhhh I hope these suits go to court. I hope I hope I hope.
'And if you'll turn your attention to the television, I will now play exhibit G, or what has been dubbed the Pee Tape, for reasons that should quickly become obvious.'
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 04:07 (six years ago) link
'And I will remind the court that the president's people pretty much triple dog dared us into making this public record. And awaaaaaay we go!'
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 04:10 (six years ago) link
― treeship 2
dennis wilson?
― bob lefse (rushomancy), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 04:11 (six years ago) link
The potential horror of aging? From unusually handsome young man to permanent 3-day bender drunk (who doesn't drink afaik?) in like 30 years is scary
― albvivertine, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 04:32 (six years ago) link
Bannon blows mad rails
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 04:36 (six years ago) link
― albvivertine
look, it's just that the low resolution of the picture obscures his bad skin. there's pictures of jackson c. frank where he looks fine too.
― bob lefse (rushomancy), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 04:39 (six years ago) link
he still looks bitterly angry tho. carry that around all yr life and you too can age decades.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 06:31 (six years ago) link
True on both points, I enlarged to take a better look and the assholism showed through better.
― albvivertine, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 06:43 (six years ago) link
cf. Alex Jones probably
― albvivertine, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 06:45 (six years ago) link
Also b/w photography may be hiding blotchiness of complexion
― But doctor, I am Camille Paglia (Bananaman Begins), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 08:40 (six years ago) link
Hooray!
A panel of federal judges struck down North Carolina’s congressional map on Tuesday, condemning it as unconstitutional because Republicans had drawn the map seeking a political advantage.
The ruling was the first time that a federal court had blocked a congressional map because of a partisan gerrymander, and it instantly endangered Republican seats in the coming elections.
Judge James A. Wynn Jr., in a biting 191-page opinion, said that Republicans in North Carolina’s Legislature had been “motivated by invidious partisan intent” as they carried out their obligation in 2016 to divide the state into 13 congressional districts, 10 of which are held by Republicans. The result, Judge Wynn wrote, violated the 14th Amendment’s guarantee of equal protection.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 11:27 (six years ago) link
Omar Little killed me dead w/ the Lewis follow-up. Dead I tell ya.
― ♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 11:41 (six years ago) link
(we could do with a famous ppl when they were young picture thread, if that doesn't already exist)
― ♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 11:43 (six years ago) link
holy shit could that ruling have consequences elsewhere ??
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 12:18 (six years ago) link
That NC ruling is amazing news. I'm both extremely tentatively excited and mostly totally cynical about the outcome if the GOP ultimately takes it to the SC.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 12:58 (six years ago) link
Judge James A. Wynn Jr., in a biting 191-page opinion
my man is gonna get lockjaw, damn
― Simon H., Wednesday, 10 January 2018 13:17 (six years ago) link
Just perfect. Dutch journalist to new US Ambassador: you said there were 'no go zones' in Netherlands, where are they?Ambassador: That's fake news, I didn't say thatJournalist: We can show you that clip now.Ambassador: Err 😳🤥 pic.twitter.com/8ohIOzmYAc— Sunny Hundal (@sunny_hundal) December 22, 2017
Trumpism is spreading. This motherfucker was appointed the new US ambassador in the Netherlands today.
― ♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 14:22 (six years ago) link
Do watch that clip.
― ♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 14:23 (six years ago) link
Isn't that like three weeks ago?
― dunsinane in the membrane (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 14:26 (six years ago) link
Forgot to add, he refused to apologize or retract today those statements on there being zones where cars and politicians are being set on fire.
― ♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 14:27 (six years ago) link
The only upside of the current popularity of 'fake news!' is that overemployment will cause it to lose what little efficacy it may currently enjoy.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 14:32 (six years ago) link
I would say it has been and remains pretty efficacious. It won the white house and has established a floor of around 40% approval rating for the president
the people being duped never see embarrassing gotcha clips like the one above
― Hadrian VIII, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 14:45 (six years ago) link
their media doesn't include it
― ♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre)
second part of statement is clearly just wishful thinking
or maybe he's confused the netherlands with portland again
― bob lefse (rushomancy), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 14:48 (six years ago) link
Fake News is just a more acceptable way of saying "fuck you."
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 14:49 (six years ago) link
"Why, bless your fake news!"
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 14:50 (six years ago) link
― Josh in Chicago
i thought that was what #MAGA stood for
i mean really when was the last time a republican said something that didn't directly translate to "fuck you"?
― bob lefse (rushomancy), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 14:52 (six years ago) link
Feel like general public reaction to the phrase will shift (however slowly) from 'huh, maybe this news isn't actually accurate' to 'huh, I wonder who feeds this person who's using a phrase which indicates that he is of insufficient cognitive capacity to do it for himself'.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 14:55 (six years ago) link
I hope so.
But for now, in addition to "fuck you" it keeps doing double service as a legit argument for an audience that has been poisoned against journalism. I don't see any evidence that this function is on the wane
― Hadrian VIII, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 14:56 (six years ago) link
was trump supposed to be pay taxes on the (former) KGB's contributions to his campaign's PR?
can we sue him?
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 15:02 (six years ago) link
where are the tax returns
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 15:03 (six years ago) link
who are the brain police
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 15:08 (six years ago) link
who is galt whitman?
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 15:11 (six years ago) link
The fact that Sneaky Dianne Feinstein, who has on numerous occasions stated that collusion between Trump/Russia has not been found, would release testimony in such an underhanded and possibly illegal way, totally without authorization, is a disgrace. Must have tough Primary!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 10, 2018
this stupid nicknames are so weak
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 15:13 (six years ago) link
Weaky Nicknames!
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 15:14 (six years ago) link
Why not Dianne Feinsneak ffs?
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 15:17 (six years ago) link
stun’ feinsneak
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 15:18 (six years ago) link
dyin’ feinsneak rather
His insults, like his vocabulary, ceased to evolve somewhere around the age of seven.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 15:19 (six years ago) link
Booger-Eater Poo-Poo Smell Steve Bannon!
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 15:21 (six years ago) link
ah I see they're still on the "real crime is leaking" bandwagon
― frogbs, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 15:29 (six years ago) link
in which case each and every member of team trump should go directly to jail
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 15:30 (six years ago) link
Look forward to the day when they start using 'fake imprisonment!' to describe their clearly illusory status as federal inmates.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 15:38 (six years ago) link
'No prisoner, no prisoner. YOU'RE the prisoner. Sad!'
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 15:39 (six years ago) link
In a way, being trapped in the moldering hulk of Donald Trump's body is the worst kind of prison, if you think about it.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 15:40 (six years ago) link
had a dream a few months back where djt resigned because the country found out he was closeted due to his queenie nicknames. he found love & happiness there after with a boy harem. then I woke up and saw the trans military ban eo headline and nearly puked
― barreras, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 15:42 (six years ago) link
Those two scenarios are not necessarily mutually exclusive and may in fact be directly related.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 15:47 (six years ago) link
Was listening to Slate's Watergate podcast in the bath this morning and thinking about how, even if the worst of all the collusion, etc, rumours are true, Trump and his cronies will still probably never see jail for their crimes. And how the Repubs are still desperate to see Hillary behind bars, even though she did nothing.
― "Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 15:49 (six years ago) link
The single greatest Witch Hunt in American history continues. There was no collusion, everybody including the Dems knows there was no collusion, & yet on and on it goes. Russia & the world is laughing at the stupidity they are witnessing. Republicans should finally take control!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 10, 2018
― Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 15:50 (six years ago) link
he's just found out it's continuing, which is not what he was told by his lawyers
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 15:51 (six years ago) link
what an asshole
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 15:53 (six years ago) link
― "Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Wednesday, January 10, 2018 9:49 AM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Oh, yeah. Just so we're clear, I'll be surprised if anyone in Trump's circle will do one minute of jail time.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 15:53 (six years ago) link
same, except shocked.
― Simon H., Wednesday, 10 January 2018 15:57 (six years ago) link
isso out?
ISSA RETIRING, per local media. https://t.co/4GZ1PbONz1 This rumor has been bouncing around all morning….— Jake Sherman (@JakeSherman) January 10, 2018
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 15:57 (six years ago) link
trump is asking around about how he can get tiffany sent to jail
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 15:57 (six years ago) link
niiiiiiiiiceeee xp
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 16:01 (six years ago) link
He is right that Russia and the rest of the world are laughing at the stupidity we are witnessing in the US - the Oprah for President thing being the custard pie in the face.
― Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 16:02 (six years ago) link
You've all heard that CA has 7 GOP congressmen sitting in Clinton districts. 2 of them have now retired in a roughly 24-hour span.— Taniel (@Taniel) January 10, 2018
5 remain: Denham (#CA10), Valadao (#CA21), Knight (#CA25), Walters (#CA45), & Rohrabacher (#CA48). All voted for AHCA; all but Rohrabacher voted for CA-slamming tax bill.— Taniel (@Taniel) January 10, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 16:18 (six years ago) link
Meanwhile, for you poll-followers: since mid-December, POTUS's approval has been quietly but pretty steadily inching up. 538 has him now at 54.6% disapproval to 39.3% approval. That's utterly terrible compared to any previous President and still doesn't bode well for the GOP at midterms, but it's worth noting, as these are his best numbers since late September.
― Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 16:52 (six years ago) link
the more he golfs, the better his polls
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 16:56 (six years ago) link
I assume the internal polls these retiring guys are getting are absolutely brutal
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 16:57 (six years ago) link
H to the Issa
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 16:58 (six years ago) link
Issa barely held onto his seat in 2016 and it's pretty clear the Trump era is not playing well in CA. Don't need a weatherman...
― Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 16:59 (six years ago) link
putting aside the general opportunity to add his seat to the Dem column, fucking HOORAY for the retirement of Issa. what a supreme asshole that guy is
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 17:01 (six years ago) link
Doc, yes but he's "inching up" from a historic low net (-21 on the RCP average shown here).
https://i.imgur.com/tjcZpNN.jpg
He's had some temporary upward periods before, but the overall picture doesn't change much. Possibly the current rebound is due to positive feelings rank-and-file GOPers have about the tax bill. Most people hated that bill, of course, but its passage temporarily quelled the storyline of "gang who couldn't shoot straight" that was fed by many LOL GOP FAIL moments on the Hill. Now, when asked "where's the winning?", GOP folks can say that Gorsuch and the tax bill constitute "winning" from their perspective.
Personally, I'd like to see things go back to an ever-more-negative slope post-Wolff/"stable genius." Not because the Wolff book is perfectly factual or because it changes a lot of minds. But because from now on, all Trump's infantile outbursts will create a confirmation loop. Every time he acts like a toddler it strengthens the message "ah, so he IS a toddler."
― dunsinane in the membrane (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 17:14 (six years ago) link
that low bar
To be clear, this literally happened. I am not exaggerating for effect. pic.twitter.com/pSotUXK3bW— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) January 10, 2018
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 17:15 (six years ago) link
@mattyglesiasYesterday, professional journalists praised Donald Trump for remembering the names of members of congress who were *sitting around a table with name placards in front of them*
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 17:16 (six years ago) link
xposts to YMP - not disputing any of that - see my "that's still utterly terrible and doesn't bode well" comments. just figured since i've previously come forward to note continuing dips in the line, it's fair to acknowledge when it goes up for something more than a day or two. and indeed it opens the question of what might be motivating those 2 out of 100 statistical human stand-ins to switch their vote. tax bill business seems plausible enough - plenty of repubs getting what they want and back to being ready to write off all his monstrosities as a sideshow to "getting the job done."
― Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 17:18 (six years ago) link
The fact that you observed him controlling his bladder for a very impressive fifteen minute stretch doesn't mean he didn't wet himself immediately before and immediately after your encounter.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 17:21 (six years ago) link
sometimes ya just gotta site back and take it all in with a sense of wonder about what a fuckin dipshit this guy is, it's just amazing
― Keak da Sneaky Dianne (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 17:31 (six years ago) link
rich kid affirmative action in action. let's cut some more taxes and entitlements ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 17:32 (six years ago) link
i can still never get used to the fact that ~35% of americans are totally fine with their president casually threatening nuclear war multiple times in the same month. for me, that alone would be a dealbreaker for me on any president, but what do i know.
btw, i heard a very conveniently timed report on NPR this morning that an organization (Open Doors, I think) has determined that North Korea is the most oppressive place in the world for Christians. which, hey, i believe that, but you know that report (or a 1-page version of it with lots of pictures) is heading straight to the oval office, most likely as a key discussion point in the debate on whether or not to initiate global nuclear war.
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 17:33 (six years ago) link
on that same note, South Korea is apparently crediting the threats as what re-started the talks? so fuckin scary.
― sleeve, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 17:36 (six years ago) link
xpost TBF, you're assuming that the 35% of Americans you describe don't live in a complete news-/politics-free bubble. I don't know what percentage of that percentage they comprise, but I know that they exist.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 17:47 (six years ago) link
U.S. immigration agents descended on dozens of 7-Eleven stores before dawn Wednesday to open employment audits and interview workers in what officials described as the largest operation against an employer under Donald Trump’s presidency.
Agents targeted about 100 stores nationwide, broadening an investigation that began with a 4-year-old case against a franchisee on New York’s Long Island. The audits could lead to criminal charges or fines over the stores’ hiring practices.
The action appears to open a new front in Trump’s sharp expansion of immigration enforcement, which has already brought a 40 percent increase in deportation arrests and plans to spend billions of dollars on a border wall with Mexico. Hardliners have been pressing for a tougher stance on employers.
Derek Benner, a top official at U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, told The Associated Press that Wednesday’s operation was “the first of many” and “a harbinger of what’s to come” for employers. He said there would be more employment audits and investigations, though there is no numerical goal.
https://apnews.com/cb0ef682ea534ff0b5d31e7c054a079e
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 17:52 (six years ago) link
Keeping the world safe from Slurpee-slingers. Priorities, man.
I think it's fair to assume that your average 7-11 employee works harder on an average day than Donald Trump ever has. FWIW.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 17:57 (six years ago) link
what the fuck is this
― Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 18:04 (six years ago) link
Fascism?
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 18:09 (six years ago) link
plans to spend billions of dollars on a border wall with Mexico.
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 18:13 (six years ago) link
“on that same note, South Korea is apparently crediting the threats as what re-started the talks? so fuckin scary.”
― sleeve, Wednesday, January 10, 2018 9:36 AM (thirty-on
Supposedly this was a mistranslation/misunderstanding of what Moon said.
It's also worth noting the translator said. "Trump says he deserves credit. How much credit do you think?" Moon chuckled, and said "Yeah he deserves A LOT," sort of in an exaggerating way. People laughed too. So it wasn't like Moon out of nowhere praised Trump. Yuge difference. https://t.co/2H8SIazzDf— Jihye Lee 이지혜 (@TheJihyeLee) January 10, 2018
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 18:14 (six years ago) link
unfortunately it doesn't seem like it's being reported that way
― sleeve, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 18:18 (six years ago) link
(in the US)
Only a little while before Emperor Trumpatine
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 18:19 (six years ago) link
getting n. korea to talk to s. korea is not that big of an accomplishment, is it? haven't they been following a pattern of periodically shutting down and restarting negotations for a while now?
maybe we should wait for them to make actual security concessions before giving trump credit?
― the late great, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 18:20 (six years ago) link
too late
South Korea's Moon credits Trump with 'huge' contribution to North Korea talks
― sleeve, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 18:21 (six years ago) link
fuckin CNN
― sleeve, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 18:22 (six years ago) link
i don't know, here's the quote:
Moon praised Trump personally, saying he "made a huge contribution to make inter-Korean talks happen (and) I'd like to express my gratitude."
he may have also said that in an exaggerated way, but it sounds like he intended to send a positive message to trump
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 18:24 (six years ago) link
well good thing it's not necessary to prove trump wrong on every single thing he does in order to make a case against reelecting him!
― the late great, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 18:28 (six years ago) link
nixon, china, etc
― the late great, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 18:29 (six years ago) link
yeah I don't think this will help him much, but the blatant inaccuracy is so galling
― sleeve, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 18:29 (six years ago) link
GOP gonna be grooming this guy to run for Senate in 2020
An Alabama teen appeared in court today after being charged with molesting a local horse https://t.co/rApNCGzWQL pic.twitter.com/GXjS5x8wXo— AL.com (@aldotcom) January 10, 2018
― frogbs, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 18:53 (six years ago) link
i see what you did there
― the late great, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 18:54 (six years ago) link
Trump truly is a living, breathing second panel of the dinosaur comics, ending *everything* with an exclamation mark.
https://public.media.smithsonianmag.com/legacy_blog/dinosaur-comic-strip.jpg
― ♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 18:55 (six years ago) link
this again
“Our current libel laws are a sham and a disgrace and do not represent American values or American fairness so we’re going to take a strong look at that,” he told reporters as he met members of his Cabinet.
“We are going to take a strong look at our country’s libel laws so that when somebody says something that is false and defamatory about someone, that person will have meaningful recourse in our courts,” Trump said.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 18:56 (six years ago) link
― Simon H., Wednesday, 10 January 2018 18:58 (six years ago) link
RIP Donald Trump
― frogbs, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 18:59 (six years ago) link
i hope obama sues him for everything he's worth then, the bald flabby traitor
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 19:00 (six years ago) link
It would bring a certain kind of satisfaction if he actually did successfully get Congress to change libel laws... and then spent his entire post-presidential life embroiled in lawsuit after lawsuit from everybody he's ever lied about.
― mime kampf (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 19:03 (six years ago) link
he's been obsessed with this for ages. classic entitled asshole constantly shocked and fuming at his aides - - - "you're telling me they're ALLOWED to say that about me?!" as a result, it's likely one of his most consistent political opinions. it's also something about which the overwhelming majority of the population does not care in the slightest.
― Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 19:04 (six years ago) link
Today Dutch press welcomed @petehoekstra as new ambassador to the Netherlands. In 2015 Hoekstra said Dutch"politicians are being burned" (not true). The only one who did get burned today is... Hoekstra himself. By refusing to answer our questions. pic.twitter.com/Dv2aalbhDP— Roel Geeraedts (@RGjournalist) January 10, 2018
Follow-up on Hoekstra, this is from today lol
― ♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 19:11 (six years ago) link
"this is the netherlands. you have to answer questions" lol
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 19:13 (six years ago) link
christ
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 19:13 (six years ago) link
what a fuckin dummy
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 19:14 (six years ago) link
".... thanks...."
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 19:15 (six years ago) link
something really beautiful about him just staring at the mantle detailing, believing this will all go away soon. it's like a steve carell character bit.
― Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 19:16 (six years ago) link
"How was your first day honey?""Good!"
― ♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 19:17 (six years ago) link
mr. bannon is not mr. trump's only former campaign chairman feeling blue :(
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-manafort/cyprus-company-sues-ex-trump-campaign-manager-manafort-for-fraud-idUSKBN1EZ2FZ
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 19:18 (six years ago) link
NEWS: Mueller adds veteran cyber prosecutor to special counsel team https://t.co/omfac0Yd65— Matt Zapotosky (@mattzap) January 10, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 19:18 (six years ago) link
anyone else on here feel irrationally embarrassed every time they encounter the name "Guccifer"?
― Moodles, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 19:21 (six years ago) link
― Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, January 10, 2018 7:16 PM (twenty-nine seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lol. It's the best bit, just kind of plucking away at air there. I'd expect him to turn around and say:
"Hey who wants some pizza! It's on me!"
― ♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 19:21 (six years ago) link
in 2019 the cyberprosecutor brought down the president
only the high speed prediction markets saw it coming
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 19:22 (six years ago) link
i think i need to live somewhere the politicians have to answer the questions
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 19:25 (six years ago) link
https://images-cdn.9gag.com/photo/ax0QQeY_700b.jpg
― jmm, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 19:27 (six years ago) link
so how would you answer this question
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 19:29 (six years ago) link
filet of fish
that has to be one of the most vile things you could eat
― marcos, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 19:29 (six years ago) link
truly the man is a monster
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 19:29 (six years ago) link
sorry "filet-o-fish"
No, the political future of an ally and possible future U.S. senator had nothing to do with this exception
A hastily arranged airport rendezvous Tuesday ended with an announcement from President Donald Trump’s administration that the state of Florida is “off the table” for new offshore oil drilling, a declaration that brought both relief and protests of election-year politics.
Florida Gov. Rick Scott met with U.S. Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke at the airport in Tallahassee Tuesday afternoon. Both men emerged 20 minutes later to face waiting reporters, who had an hour’s notice of the meeting.
“As a result of our interest in making sure that there’s no drilling here, Florida will be taken off the table,” Scott said.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 19:30 (six years ago) link
They can't legally say "of" fish
― Evan, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 19:30 (six years ago) link
That declaration about changing the libel laws is such a beautiful distillation of the beauty that is Trump's tendency toward self-ownership-via-derangement. He honestly doesn't recognize himself as the most brazen offender wrt the behavior he's denouncing because said behavior is only a transgression (and possibly only exists) when he perceives himself as having been the victim of the transgression (which, as in this case, is often not even a real instance of the transgression he himself is way more guilty of having committed).
tl;dr, Whatta fuckin' dipshit.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 19:31 (six years ago) link
Also in the 'hmm' file.
FBI Director Wray and Dep. AG Rosenstein met today with Senate Intel Cmte. Chairman Burr and Vice Chair Warner, Senate aide tells @NBCNews. https://t.co/d1HblRPdAs— NBC News (@NBCNews) January 10, 2018
(Especially since Burr/Warner are probably the most functional panel of them all.)
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 19:31 (six years ago) link
Then you don't wanna hear about what some aides cite as a normal dinner for him.
― Never Learn To Mike Love (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 19:51 (six years ago) link
doodoo?
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 19:55 (six years ago) link
that's haute cuisine
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 19:55 (six years ago) link
Mueller adds veteran cyber prosecutor to special-counsel team
holy shit Barron changed teams...that's a cold shot to quote SRV
― Keak da Sneaky Dianne (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 19:57 (six years ago) link
― Never Learn To Mike Love (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, January 10, 2018 1:51 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
IIRC this too involves Filet-o-Fish as well as some resultant paste.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 19:58 (six years ago) link
Such pleasant people all around!
Chuck Johnson sears Steve Bannon in column posted to GotNews, claiming that Bannon threatened to "shit down [his] neck" with mega donors pic.twitter.com/E0AwQzws0H— Jared Holt (@jaredlholt) January 10, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 20:00 (six years ago) link
shit do not pass neck go directly to floor
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 20:11 (six years ago) link
chuck johnson, one of the few men who could make me side with steve bannonalso lol hoos
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 20:16 (six years ago) link
changing the libel laws
TBH I think when he started saying that, he obviously thought that when you're president you can just change laws.
GOP congresspeople are craven lickspittles who have caved to the Trumpgenda, of course, but that doesn't mean they're going to just start drafting/introducing/passing bills to repeal laws that Trump finds inconvenient. Trump and his crowd have no idea how lawmaking works, and obviously don't care.
― mime kampf (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 20:30 (six years ago) link
When you've lived in a hermetically-sealed world for your entire life where you go 'waahh' and someone brings you your ba-ba, it can be difficult to adjust to the nuances of no longer being King Baby.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 20:36 (six years ago) link
klosterman's looking well
― Keak da Sneaky Dianne (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 20:37 (six years ago) link
lol that was my first thought as well
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 20:48 (six years ago) link
More fun:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/steve-bannon-leaves-breitbart-after-blow-up-over-comments-in-trump-book/2018/01/09/1afddebc-f199-11e7-97bf-bba379b809ab_story.html?utm_term=.61a9891fa1a8
A person close to Bannon, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said “there is no mass exodus” at Breitbart and people were not entirely surprised by the news.“It’s not personality-driven anymore,” the Bannon ally said of the website. “We get to focus on the agenda. When it’s about issues, Breitbart wins. We hopefully won’t have the cult of personality tearing us down.”Bannon has told associates he plans to focus on creating a political operation in 2018, the person said, and is banking that Trump eventually will need him again and that congressional Republican leaders will eventually desert the president.
“It’s not personality-driven anymore,” the Bannon ally said of the website. “We get to focus on the agenda. When it’s about issues, Breitbart wins. We hopefully won’t have the cult of personality tearing us down.”
Bannon has told associates he plans to focus on creating a political operation in 2018, the person said, and is banking that Trump eventually will need him again and that congressional Republican leaders will eventually desert the president.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 20:51 (six years ago) link
Congressional leaders will certainly try to abandon Trump at a point but let's hope those manacles hold and pull them down with the rest of the ship.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 20:55 (six years ago) link
Trump says it 'seems unlikely' he'll give an interview in Mueller investigation, says, 'I'll see what happens' https://t.co/543U1PMZTm— The Associated Press (@AP) January 10, 2018
― Number None, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 20:58 (six years ago) link
He's been saying that a lot, should be his new campaign slogan: "TRUMP 2020: We'll See What Happens"
― Brave Combover (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 21:01 (six years ago) link
"Make America Look Into That, Believe Me"
― Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 21:08 (six years ago) link
that Pete Hoekstra clip is a thing of beauty
― Hadrian VIII, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 21:19 (six years ago) link
Meanwhile ICE is busy rounding people up
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/immigration-agents-target-7-eleven-stores-in-nationwide-sweep/2018/01/10/315dae76-f62b-11e7-b34a-b85626af34ef_story.html?hpid=hp_rhp-more-top-stories_icecrackdown-128pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.cf5004ce230b
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 10 January 2018 21:23 (six years ago) link
many grateful americans will be rushing to fill those vaunted 7-11 jerbs taken by immigrants
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 10 January 2018 21:29 (six years ago) link
reading the 7-eleven news i was struck by the incredible amount effort put forth to being such assholes like wouldn’t actually rebuilding america put people to work long term? is trump trying to save high schoolers’ after school jobs?
― maura, Thursday, 11 January 2018 00:04 (six years ago) link
I try to imagine being in the room dreaming this unending cruelty and pettiness up and it blows me away every time
― Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 11 January 2018 00:07 (six years ago) link
Somebody's lunchtime taquitos were stale yesterday, presumably. This affront will not stand. Sad!
I don't even know if I'm exaggerating anymore. That could be precisely the reason, god help everyone.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Thursday, 11 January 2018 00:25 (six years ago) link
Pssstt...a little birdie gave me this tasty morsel.@RepMaxineWaters lowering the boom...@stevenmnuchin1 you really should STOP covering for @realDonaldTrump @POTUS because the Trump Titanic hit the Mother of all icebergs.It slammed right into Democracy & Transparency Whoopsie pic.twitter.com/aE8EKrH8Zq— Alt_SeanSpicer'sMic🎙🤦🏻♀️🎙 (@Alt_Spicerlies) January 10, 2018
― reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 11 January 2018 01:18 (six years ago) link
It's time immigration policy lefties start advancing ideas about how we can proceed to abolish ICE and create new customs enforcement that's accountable. Other than McElwee helpfully tweeting "abolish ICE" like a mantra, has anyone seen any proposals on this--popularly-aimed or otherwise?
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 11 January 2018 01:49 (six years ago) link
To be clearer I'm not looking for "ICE is real bad" takes, I'm wondering if there's anything akin to CATO's old proposal that we abolish DHS
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 11 January 2018 01:53 (six years ago) link
But the big beautiful wall
Kellyanne Conway tells @ChrisCuomo that after consulting with experts, Trump has “discovered” a physical wall is not needed across entire border; part of it is better technology, part of it is fencing, etc— Manu Raju (@mkraju) January 11, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 11 January 2018 02:39 (six years ago) link
Shouldn’t the wall be built across the entire border anyway, if nothing else, to make the surrounding area more beautiful?
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 11 January 2018 02:41 (six years ago) link
I mean, beauty is in the eye of the MAGA
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 11 January 2018 02:42 (six years ago) link
Worth a thought: wouldn't a big beautiful wall across the entire border make Mexico look great as well? They should pay for it!
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 11 January 2018 03:17 (six years ago) link
he's pretty much proven himself to be a paper tiger. just one with rabies.
― treeship 2, Thursday, 11 January 2018 03:28 (six years ago) link
My take today is that no one is adequately appreciating the possibility of a government shutdown.I'd say it's at least a 40% chance.https://t.co/P7xWvt6nIz— Matt Fuller (@MEPFuller) January 11, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 11 January 2018 06:06 (six years ago) link
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/01/10/trumps-ambassador-to-netherlands-was-asked-to-name-a-person-burned-because-of-islam-he-couldnt/
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 11 January 2018 07:58 (six years ago) link
Disproven and paid for by Democrats “Dossier used to spy on Trump Campaign. Did FBI use Intel tool to influence the Election?” @foxandfriends Did Dems or Clinton also pay Russians? Where are hidden and smashed DNC servers? Where are Crooked Hillary Emails? What a mess!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 11, 2018
“House votes on controversial FISA ACT today.” This is the act that may have been used, with the help of the discredited and phony Dossier, to so badly surveil and abuse the Trump Campaign by the previous administration and others?— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 11, 2018
― Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 11 January 2018 14:09 (six years ago) link
release your tax returns. show those crooked liberals
― reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 11 January 2018 14:11 (six years ago) link
good mourning!
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 January 2018 14:15 (six years ago) link
GENERAL KELLY: "Sir, the transcript of the Glenn Simpson testimony fairly refutes the notion that the dossier is phony. No reasonable people believe this to be the case. Also it was not funded by Democrats."
TRUMP: "I said EXTRA TARTAR SAUCE! Where the fuck is Omarosa? Get me Omarosa!"
GENERAL KELLY: "Sir, again, Omarosa is no longer—"
TRUMP: "Are you sitting on the remote? Get up and see if you're sitting on the remote."
― Hadrian VIII, Thursday, 11 January 2018 14:24 (six years ago) link
kinda amused how this guy is trying to battle the perception that he's an incompetent idiot by televising meetings in which he removes all doubt, keep it up Donnie
― frogbs, Thursday, 11 January 2018 14:30 (six years ago) link
I genuinely believe that Trump has no idea how stupid he is. Like when he calls himself a stable genius, he really believes it. It's more than a little...oh, what's the word I'm grasping for...sad!
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Thursday, 11 January 2018 14:34 (six years ago) link
With that being said, I have personally directed the fix to the unmasking process since taking office and today’s vote is about foreign surveillance of foreign bad guys on foreign land. We need it! Get smart!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 11, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 11 January 2018 14:36 (six years ago) link
Did someone just call him and tell him know about all the cool ways he can abuse FISA?
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 11 January 2018 14:37 (six years ago) link
hey, Bush II did it!
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 January 2018 14:38 (six years ago) link
Some of the tweets in this thread are funny. Better than Willis's serious thoughts on politics, anyhow.
"I'm sorry Steve. But the big boss said it's either him or you. And we can't drop him.""So now I'm--""A total cuck""Total?""Total. Cuck to the core."A single tear slid down Steve's face, streaking the pockmarks on his chin, resting between his two layers of shirts— Oliver Willis (@owillis) January 9, 2018
― grawlix (unperson), Thursday, 11 January 2018 14:44 (six years ago) link
Kellyanne Conway tells @ChrisCuomo that after consulting with experts, Trump has “discovered” a physical wall is not needed across entire border; part of it is better technology, part of it is fencing, etc
I think he should just say he can't build the wall because he received a credible threat of Banksy
― President Keyes, Thursday, 11 January 2018 14:48 (six years ago) link
hoos I would take this to your thread or my "int'l left" thread, this one is pretty much all breathless Russia junk and lame trump jokes
― Simon H., Thursday, 11 January 2018 14:50 (six years ago) link
foreign surveillance of foreign bad guys on foreign land
bad guys.
BAD GUYS.
Dude really is, like, five years old inside. Maybe Gen. Kelly lets him wear his cape and mask, but only in the residence. That's why he doesn't come downstairs until 11; he doesn't want to take off the cape.
― mime kampf (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 11 January 2018 14:51 (six years ago) link
Here's non-Russia junk.
A Walmart worker organizes products for the Christmas season at a Walmart store in Teterboro, New Jersey. Walmart to issue bonuses in wake of tax reform
Walmart's workers will soon reap the benefits of the recent tax law changes, as the world's largest private employer raises its starting wage, creates new benefits and distributes bonuses to eligible workers.
The big-box retailer announced Thursday it will increase its starting wage rate for hourly employees in the U.S. to $11, and expand maternity and parental leave benefits. Currently, Walmart's starting wage is $9 until workers complete a training program. Then, they receive $10.
Walmart will also pay a one-time cash bonus to eligible employees of as much as $1,000. The payouts, which should total roughly $400 million, will result in a one-time charge that the company will take in the fourth quarter of this year.
The bonuses will be determined by an employee's length of service at the company. Those workers with more than 20 years of experience will qualify to receive the full $1,000. However, workers with less than two years of experience will receive $200, a Walmart spokesman told CNBC.
Employees with 15 to 19 years of service at Walmart will receive $750, while those with 10 to 14 years of work there will receive a $400 bonus, he said. Five to nine years of experience merits a $300 bonus, while two to four years of service will result in a payout of $250.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 January 2018 14:52 (six years ago) link
I wonder how much the Waltons stand to gain by comparison
― Simon H., Thursday, 11 January 2018 14:54 (six years ago) link
seriously, no one is forcing you to read or contribute
― "Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Thursday, 11 January 2018 14:56 (six years ago) link
Wow, $11/hour is almost a living wage!
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Thursday, 11 January 2018 14:58 (six years ago) link
breathless Russia junk
Feb thread title please
― Hadrian VIII, Thursday, 11 January 2018 14:58 (six years ago) link
just trying to help a HOOS out since I didn't think he'd get much of a response to his q here
― Simon H., Thursday, 11 January 2018 14:59 (six years ago) link
you might have said the thread is about politics, not policy
― Hadrian VIII, Thursday, 11 January 2018 15:02 (six years ago) link
ok guys
― Simon H., Thursday, 11 January 2018 15:03 (six years ago) link
the Wal-Mart news is interesting, it's hard to argue it's not at least relatively a Good Thing, no matter how clearly disingenuous. I've seen headlines though where some of the companies who've already handed out Tax Bill-related bonuses are also laying off workers, so I certainly wouldn't be shocked to see Wal-Mart follow suit eventually, once this trickle-down policy improbably shits the bed once again.
― evol j, Thursday, 11 January 2018 15:06 (six years ago) link
yeah it's "good" in the short term but there's much worse news coming for the bulk of these workers over the next decade
― Simon H., Thursday, 11 January 2018 15:08 (six years ago) link
'Trickle down' in this instance being something like winning the lottery and bumping your kids' allowance up by a buck fifty.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Thursday, 11 January 2018 15:09 (six years ago) link
Yeah, has anyone done the maths to figure out what proportion of the post-Tax Bill windfall is going to the Walmart employees?
― "Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Thursday, 11 January 2018 15:11 (six years ago) link
what are the expanded maternity benefits?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 11 January 2018 15:23 (six years ago) link
You become eligible for Wal-Mart maternity benefits only if you also indenture your child to become a Wal-Mart employee. That's how people will get to that awesome thousand-dollar "20 years of service" bonus. Win-win!
― mime kampf (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 11 January 2018 15:27 (six years ago) link
"I have personally directed the fix to the unmasking process since taking office"
can anyone parse this
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 11 January 2018 15:55 (six years ago) link
nvm i googled
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 11 January 2018 15:56 (six years ago) link
Walmart said the changes will benefit the retailer's more than 1 million hourly employees across the country and will go into effect as soon as February. The wage increases in particular are expected to add about $300 million in costs to what Walmart was already planning for the upcoming fiscal year.
so wage increases will add up to an increase of around $300 million a year.
and another $400 million for the one-time payouts. so an $700 million increase in costs for wal-mart in 2017, and a $300 million increase for subsequent years.
Wal-Mart's net profit has hovered around 13 to 17 billion the last several years (https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/wmt/financials). so even without the tax cut, paying their workers a little better will make their profits dip from like, 15 billion to 14.5 billion. fucking assholes.
i'm not sure how much they'll save annually from the corporate tax rate dropping from 35 to 21%. but an 2014 analysis by Americans for Tax Fairness (barf), reported in this nation article found that even a cut from 35 to 25% “might save at least $720 million more in U.S. income taxes each year based on the profits it made and the taxes it paid from 2008 to 2012.”
i don't know why i'm typing all this out. everyone already knows wal-mart could have afforded to this a long time ago if they cared about their own employees (or people). but it looks like the costs of the employee raises will be more than compensated by the savings from the cut to the corporate tax rate, while they still make 15 billion profit per year. even without the tax cut, their profits dwarf the cost of wage increases. and that doesn't even take into account all the tax loopholes and offshore havens that they're already taking advantage of.
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 11 January 2018 15:59 (six years ago) link
http://cdn.smosh.com/sites/default/files/2014/09/scooby-doo-unmasking.jpg
"I have personally directed the fix to the unmasking process."
― Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Thursday, 11 January 2018 16:00 (six years ago) link
nothing shocking there but thanks for the numbers to confirm it KM
― Simon H., Thursday, 11 January 2018 16:01 (six years ago) link
lol does he agree with FISA or not ?
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 11 January 2018 16:03 (six years ago) link
Americans for Tax Fairness (barf)
i strike the barf, they look like a good organization.
barf
i've been in an awful mood for several months and just the name made me want to barf, sorry
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 11 January 2018 16:05 (six years ago) link
Yeah, thanks for parsing, KM. Pretty much exactly what I expected. Nothing that either contributes much in the way of material improvements to the lives of Wal-Mart employees or scuttles a Wal-Mart executive's ability to purchase a seventh yacht this year. But the optics!
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Thursday, 11 January 2018 16:06 (six years ago) link
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, January 11, 2018 4:03 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
it seems like he agrees with it being used to surveil The Bad Guys on Foreign Lands but not when used to Tapp Trump Tower
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 11 January 2018 16:08 (six years ago) link
I would like to legalize punching people in the face except where it's still illegal to punch me in my face, how do I do that
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Thursday, 11 January 2018 16:11 (six years ago) link
just become president
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 11 January 2018 16:13 (six years ago) link
lol @ Americans for Tax Fairness trying to dupe libertarians who support Americans For Fair Taxation
― (the blues version in his Broadway show) (crüt), Thursday, 11 January 2018 16:15 (six years ago) link
Personally I'm for the People's Front of Judea.
Anyway "but the optics" indeed. Have seen plenty of smug-as-fuck right-wing crowing about the many, many businesses giving out "Trump bonuses" because now they can suddenly afford it, now that the Government is Getting Out of the Way.
Clearly meant to deflate all the smug lefty "lol white working class voting against their own interests by enriching plutocrats" talking points.
So it's transparent, it's laughably meager, it's horribly cynical... and it's also probably going to work.
― mime kampf (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 11 January 2018 16:17 (six years ago) link
yeah, it sucks to imagine all those conversations happening right now in wal-marts across the country. "sweet, we got a raise!" - "yeah, it's because of trump's tax cuts" - "wow, really? well, i guess he does some good things, at least", etc etc
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 11 January 2018 16:20 (six years ago) link
thanks for laying it out, KM, and I totally expected these raises wouldn't take more than the tiniest of bites out of Wal-Mart's profits. my point was more just frustration with how easily the corporate class and their idiot president can spin this bill into a win and how difficult it is to push back against that narrative, especially when real people will be seeing more real money in their wallets.
xpost...yep
― evol j, Thursday, 11 January 2018 16:22 (six years ago) link
Was an $11 starting wage at Walmart coming anyway? Target just moved to $11 and is apparently pledged to go to $15. It was just good timing that Walmart could use it to propagandize for tax cuts.
― jmm, Thursday, 11 January 2018 16:26 (six years ago) link
this seems to be blowing up:
ST. LOUIS (KMOV.com) -- Governor Eric Greitens on Wednesday night confirmed to News 4 he had an extramarital affair, an admission a months-long News 4 investigation prompted.In a recording obtained by News 4, a woman says she had a sexual encounter with Missouri Gov. Eric Greitens and that he tried to blackmail her to keep the encounter quiet.The details were provided to News 4 by the woman’s ex-husband, claiming the sexual relationship happened between his now ex-wife and Greitens in March 2015. News 4 is not naming the woman and she has not made an on-the-record comment about the story.
In a recording obtained by News 4, a woman says she had a sexual encounter with Missouri Gov. Eric Greitens and that he tried to blackmail her to keep the encounter quiet.
The details were provided to News 4 by the woman’s ex-husband, claiming the sexual relationship happened between his now ex-wife and Greitens in March 2015. News 4 is not naming the woman and she has not made an on-the-record comment about the story.
http://www.kmov.com/story/37240190/governor-greitens-admits-to-extramarital-affair
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 11 January 2018 16:29 (six years ago) link
if i'm reading that correctly, the MO gov had a fun sexy time by taping the other person's hands to some sort of workout rings / pull-up device, then took a picture of her naked and used it as blackmail
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 11 January 2018 16:32 (six years ago) link
The "Trump bonus" is a PR effort that is very deliberately targeted (no pun intended) to head off any disillusionment or disappointment that might be rising in Rust Belt / blue-collar wypipo in advance of this year's midterm elections.
Not that I credit Trump with having "ideas," or making "plans." But the GOP strategy is definitely to isolate and label all anti-Trump sentiment as an effete affectation, a craze that only afflicts coastal liberals and the media (which are the same thing).
― mime kampf (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 11 January 2018 16:34 (six years ago) link
(even though trump is a coastal elite and fox news is the media too)
― reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 11 January 2018 16:35 (six years ago) link
wow liberal fake news station KMOV don't mention that when Eric Greitens had that sexual relationship he was a DEMOCRAT... more evidence that you can't trust the FAKE NEWS liberal media
― (the blues version in his Broadway show) (crüt), Thursday, 11 January 2018 16:41 (six years ago) link
THANKS FOR THE MATHS KM!
― "Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Thursday, 11 January 2018 16:44 (six years ago) link
I'm reminded of an ex of mine who insisted Wal-Mart got a bad rap and was actually great, evidence being that a 20something friend of hers had cashed out his 401k and traveled for some time. Anecdotal cash--checkmate, lefties.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 11 January 2018 16:45 (six years ago) link
man fuck all these corps - most which have NEVER paid the nominal corporate rate, who've seen record-setting growth, earnings, productivity since the recession - who are now trying to con their employees into thinking they can FINALLY give them a minuscule raise or bonus thanks to this stupid tax bill.
and fuck me, it'll probably work. another couple rounds of polling and i'm sure a comfortable majority of doughy american idiots will view it favorably.
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Thursday, 11 January 2018 16:55 (six years ago) link
or yeah what Karl said.
we will basically never have nice things.
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Thursday, 11 January 2018 16:56 (six years ago) link
Karl & YMP, that is.
i've no doubt this will be chalked up as a GOP win in the medium term. and by the time the fallout happens the Dems will for some reason take the hit bc hey why not. they're in charge now and stymieing our business genious president.
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Thursday, 11 January 2018 17:01 (six years ago) link
Breaking: Medicaid will allow states to create a work requirement for "able-bodied" adults to qualify for Medicaid. The new policy marks the first time Medicaid has allowed states to impose such requirements as a precondition of coverage.— NPR (@NPR) January 11, 2018
― grawlix (unperson), Thursday, 11 January 2018 17:08 (six years ago) link
oh jfc
― Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 11 January 2018 17:09 (six years ago) link
I would on the one hand encourage people to analogize this insulting turn of events in terms that might make more immediate sense to a Wal-Mart employee (just in terms of the percentage of Wal-Mart's profits which are affected applied to an hourly employee's paycheck to illustrate how infinitesimally small a figure it is) but on the other hand I know how big a deal a $2/hour increase can be when you're earning a dirt wage and how disinclined you might be under those circumstances to look a gift horse in the mouth. Which is to say, yes, the cynical optics will probably go over like gangbusters.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Thursday, 11 January 2018 17:10 (six years ago) link
Federal officials said they would support state efforts to require able-bodied adults to engage in work or other “community engagement activities” as a condition of eligibility for Medicaid.“Our fundamental goal is to make a positive and lasting difference in the health and wellness of our beneficiaries, and today’s announcement is a step in that direction,” said Seema Verma, the administrator of the federal Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services....In a speech to state Medicaid officials in November, Ms. Verma indicated that the Trump administration would be receptive to work requirements and other conservative policy ideas to reshape Medicaid. And she criticized the Obama administration, saying it had focused on increasing Medicaid enrollment rather than helping people move out of poverty and into jobs.“Believing that community engagement requirements do not support or promote the objectives of Medicaid is a tragic example of the soft bigotry of low expectations consistently espoused by the prior administration,” Ms. Verma said. “Those days are over.”
“Our fundamental goal is to make a positive and lasting difference in the health and wellness of our beneficiaries, and today’s announcement is a step in that direction,” said Seema Verma, the administrator of the federal Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services.
...In a speech to state Medicaid officials in November, Ms. Verma indicated that the Trump administration would be receptive to work requirements and other conservative policy ideas to reshape Medicaid. And she criticized the Obama administration, saying it had focused on increasing Medicaid enrollment rather than helping people move out of poverty and into jobs.
“Believing that community engagement requirements do not support or promote the objectives of Medicaid is a tragic example of the soft bigotry of low expectations consistently espoused by the prior administration,” Ms. Verma said. “Those days are over.”
oh fuck off
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 11 January 2018 17:14 (six years ago) link
so bigoted of them to expect that people with no money will not be able to afford health care
― Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 11 January 2018 17:17 (six years ago) link
xps - I have occasionally worked for large corporations.
One might wonder aloud, "jeez, the chuckleheads at the top make millions, and the company itself has cash reserves in the billions, why we hafta be stingy about making one-sided copies?"
Many of my colleagues would be like, "well, they must know something we don't. They're at the top, after all, and we're just here in the mailroom." I assume that many Wal-Mart employees would take the same view of it.
― mime kampf (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 11 January 2018 17:19 (six years ago) link
Yeah, I can look at the man in the mirror for an example of same. Constantly hearing about the millions more we make for the company every year while getting a perfunctory annual raise that allows me to purchase a fancy sandwich every week without compromising my budget.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Thursday, 11 January 2018 17:21 (six years ago) link
from a friend who's spent several years campaigning & organizing at wal-mart:
"they did a big wage hike a few years ago when there was a lot more organizing going on in their shops, but that can't really be a factor now. i'd guess it has more to do with falling unemployment rate and more competition in low wage labor markets, plus rising minimum wages in lots of states. also worth noting that every time they do an hourly wage hike like this they tend to cut hours"
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 11 January 2018 17:40 (six years ago) link
Believing that community engagement requirements do not support or promote the objectives of Medicaid is a tragic example of the soft bigotry of low expectations consistently espoused by the prior administration,” Ms. Verma said. “Those days are over.”
This being the previous administration headed by someone repeatedly mocked by Republicans as a "community organizer."
― Chris L, Thursday, 11 January 2018 17:41 (six years ago) link
the relentless cruelty of this crew, in ways large and small, is psychologically debilitating. I admit I have not been personally effected by these changes---yet--- but the steady stream and my desire to stay informed has the cumulative effect of making me dread facing each day, even as I go about my daily business. Much like climate change - don't call it warming(!) -- I wonder if this is simply the new normal.
― Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 11 January 2018 17:42 (six years ago) link
AFAIC the only thing I can control is my own complicity in allowing it to become the new normal. Don't know if that's helpful at all. It's only occasionally so for me.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Thursday, 11 January 2018 17:46 (six years ago) link
Like, hey, maximize the personal kindness and at least know that you're not part of the problem.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Thursday, 11 January 2018 17:47 (six years ago) link
someone tell Ms Verma that jobs are mostly obsolete
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 11 January 2018 17:50 (six years ago) link
We must never acknowledge or plan for that inevitability. Coal is coming back! The resurgence of dodo farming is right around the corner!
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Thursday, 11 January 2018 17:58 (six years ago) link
I believe that it's normal, but I don't think it's new, tbh.
Speaking as a student of history, I think it may be one of the oldest things.
― mime kampf (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 11 January 2018 18:00 (six years ago) link
*a wretched stench suddenly materializes*
what's that?
GOP Rep. Darrell Issa, who said Wednesday he is not seeking reelection in California’s 49th district, has been discussing with colleagues the possibility of running in a neighboring San Diego district if embattled Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-Calif.) resigns, multiple sources told The Hill.
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/368513-exclusive-issa-mulls-running-in-neighboring-district
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 11 January 2018 18:01 (six years ago) link
I mean
https://fthmb.tqn.com/8qxmkhPynlHmWNiFL48Is_VsXeg=/768x0/filters:no_upscale()/monument-FDR-words-564089831-crop-58cf2f355f9b581d72ab53bc.jpg
+ BONUS DOGE
― mime kampf (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 11 January 2018 18:02 (six years ago) link
thanks for your responses, even though you are all strangers I doubt I will ever meet I have found ilx to be the best such collection of strangers, and the most consistently humane, anywhere on the internet.
― Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 11 January 2018 18:03 (six years ago) link
YMP I am unfamiliar with that quote or monument. What/where is it?
― Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 11 January 2018 18:05 (six years ago) link
Yeah, it's always worth checking in with the past and refreshing your perspective. The arc of the moral universe is long, etc. Lots of things and people are shitty right now but lots of things and people have been a whole hell of a lot shittier in the past.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Thursday, 11 January 2018 18:05 (six years ago) link
Sparkle: FDR memorial, in Washington.
― mime kampf (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 11 January 2018 18:06 (six years ago) link
thank you
― Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 11 January 2018 18:06 (six years ago) link
cute doge
― Keak da Sneaky Dianne (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 11 January 2018 18:50 (six years ago) link
hard to imagine trump with a dog somehow. it might get at his cheeseburgers.
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Thursday, 11 January 2018 19:24 (six years ago) link
don's dog nothingburger only responds to russian commands fwiu
― reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 11 January 2018 19:26 (six years ago) link
I've occasionally wondered how many childhood pets died in his care. It's in the double digits, of that I'm sure.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Thursday, 11 January 2018 19:26 (six years ago) link
I like goldfish that don't float
― President Keyes, Thursday, 11 January 2018 19:29 (six years ago) link
oh hey look what else wal mart did today
Employees at what may be as many as 260 Sam's Club stores across the U.S. learned abruptly on January 11 that they'd lost their jobs as Walmart announced a wave of store closings.
http://www.mlive.com/business/index.ssf/2018/01/walmart_abruptly_closes_sams_c.html
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 11 January 2018 19:38 (six years ago) link
President Trump’s announcement of U.S-made F-52s fighter aircraft delivered to Norway may have rattled its neighbor Russia, the source of rising tension among NATO allies.
Was it a secret advanced jet capable of beating its Russian counterparts? A ruse to fool intelligence analysts? Neither, it turns out. The “F-52” is a fictional jet only available to fly if you’re a gamer at the controls of “Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare.”
Trump lauded the sale of the fictional planes alongside Norwegian Prime Minister Erna Solberg at the White House on Wednesday, remarking on the very real and growing defense relationship with America’s Northern Europe ally.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2018/01/11/trump-lauded-delivery-of-f-52s-to-norway-the-planes-only-exist-in-call-of-duty/
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 11 January 2018 19:55 (six years ago) link
xpost Geez, you think this might compromise the optics from this morning's announcement?
(Narrator: It won't.)
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Thursday, 11 January 2018 19:57 (six years ago) link
for fucks sake
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 11 January 2018 20:03 (six years ago) link
Whose idea was it to start letting it speak in public again?
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Thursday, 11 January 2018 20:09 (six years ago) link
can't wait for his angry tweets about Crimson Jihad
― omar little, Thursday, 11 January 2018 20:11 (six years ago) link
Boring Bowser and his little mushroom kingdom are no match for the might of our powerful whips and boomerangs
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Thursday, 11 January 2018 20:16 (six years ago) link
Announcements very much in character
― Hunt3r, Thursday, 11 January 2018 20:16 (six years ago) link
Not discounting the possibility that people in Trump's circle are just actively fucking with him at this point.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Thursday, 11 January 2018 20:21 (six years ago) link
Yet another article explaining why rural whites are racists voting for Republicans who deny them health care yet why Democrats need them because big tent
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 January 2018 20:30 (six years ago) link
gamer-americans across the nation thrilled that daddy donald has confirmed his membership among their ranks, prepare for the coming final assault on the brotherhood of NOD
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 11 January 2018 20:42 (six years ago) link
Can we just get him a Twitch account and convince him it's his own 24-hour news channel or something?
― Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Thursday, 11 January 2018 20:45 (six years ago) link
lol at fucking Wal Mart. cool tho that there will be lots of empty ones for the FEMA re-education camps
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Thursday, 11 January 2018 20:50 (six years ago) link
'the fake news media won't tell you about the shadow moses incident folks!'
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 11 January 2018 20:50 (six years ago) link
In other news, the Trump Administration issued a warning for people traveling to Oregon. Many cases of dysentery have been reported.
― mime kampf (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 11 January 2018 21:36 (six years ago) link
EXCLUSIVE: Trump attacks protections for immigrants from "shithole" countries in Oval Office meeting, by @jdawsey1.https://t.co/ccCLBQHDPU— Ashley Parker (@AshleyRParker) January 11, 2018
he specifically asked for geir instead
― mookieproof, Thursday, 11 January 2018 21:44 (six years ago) link
i mean
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Thursday, 11 January 2018 21:45 (six years ago) link
Nixon's phrase was "shit-ass countries"
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 11 January 2018 21:45 (six years ago) link
but never a bad word about russia ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
https://www.fastcompany.com/40515682/the-other-scary-foreign-hacking-threat-trump-is-ignoring
― reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 11 January 2018 22:00 (six years ago) link
this must be the point when DACA activists and Hispanics will go hard against Dems, will start “falling in love” with Republicans and their President!
kinda bizarre to open up cnn.com and just see the word "shithole" screaming out from the headlines. america in 2018.
― Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 11 January 2018 22:21 (six years ago) link
WaPo, also. and the NYT isn't touching the story as yet, no doubt flummoxed by decorum.
― Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 11 January 2018 22:24 (six years ago) link
mr. shithole
― mookieproof, Thursday, 11 January 2018 22:25 (six years ago) link
The bigger question is increasingly why these immigrants would want to come to a country which is itself led by the voided contents of a shithole.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Thursday, 11 January 2018 22:25 (six years ago) link
Ann Coulter tweeted “He’s trying to win me back” in response to that latest Trump statement re immigration.
Not surprising
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 11 January 2018 22:26 (six years ago) link
NYT also hamstrung by their terrible whitehouse stenographer as much as their decorum
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 11 January 2018 22:29 (six years ago) link
CNN chyron is using "shithole"
― Keak da Sneaky Dianne (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 11 January 2018 22:32 (six years ago) link
Why do none of these people have blonde hair and blue eyes says the President of the USA.
― Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Thursday, 11 January 2018 22:35 (six years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTSzVEqWkAElK4A.jpg:small
who's a good boy
― mookieproof, Thursday, 11 January 2018 22:35 (six years ago) link
also no one from Norway wants to come here because this country is a shithole u dumbass racist
― Keak da Sneaky Dianne (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 11 January 2018 22:38 (six years ago) link
worth sharing for posterity
https://i.imgur.com/gOJ3abJ.png
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 11 January 2018 22:40 (six years ago) link
does he think he has another, north korean version of himself who hangs w/ Kim? And he's waiting to hear back on how they get along?
― Hadrian VIII, Thursday, 11 January 2018 22:41 (six years ago) link
^exactly. p funny how theses clwons never seem to pick up on that
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Thursday, 11 January 2018 22:41 (six years ago) link
The episode, first reported by The Washington Post, unfolded as Mr. Trump was hosting a meeting with Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina, and Richard J. Durbin, Democrat of Illinois, who are working to codify the protections in the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, or DACA the Obama-era initiative that provided temporary work permits and reprieves from deportation to immigrants brought to the United States as children by their parents. Representative Kevin McCarthy, Republican of California and the majority leader; Senator David Perdue, Republican of Georgia; Senator Tom Cotton, Republican of Arkansas; and Representative Robert W. Goodlatte, Republican of Virginia and the chairman of the Judiciary Committee, were also there.
wait, so all republicans + durbin? it's possible the remark never would have left the room if durbin wasn't there
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 11 January 2018 22:42 (six years ago) link
Disgusting peace of shit WH is standing behind this of course it's right in line with what these racist assholes believe
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 11 January 2018 22:43 (six years ago) link
He probably thinks Norwegians live in igloos though tbf.
― Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Thursday, 11 January 2018 22:43 (six years ago) link
isn’t this the second time in a couple of weeks trump’s done this shit? he was talking about africa and mud huts too iirc?it’s almost like he’s a massive racist or something
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 11 January 2018 22:48 (six years ago) link
Good on CNN for calling it for what it is, albeit still rather timidly: https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/this-is-must-watch
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 January 2018 22:48 (six years ago) link
it's almost as if he is profoundly ignorant of the rest of the world.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 11 January 2018 22:52 (six years ago) link
just watch this. 2018 has gone beyond surreal and crossed into something very ugly
Remarkable worlds from CNN's Jim Acosta. Not surprising. But these are not ways reporters talk on network or cable network TV. Watch this! pic.twitter.com/2gUqdlREOd— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) January 11, 2018
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 11 January 2018 22:53 (six years ago) link
sorry, didn't see alfred already mentioned it just above. but jfc
Yeah I kinda feel like there's reason to be careful with how one responds to the "shithole" comment.
If it sounds like pearl-clutching "Oh my goodness, that boor! He's violating the sacred rules of presidential discourse," it just covfefeeds the right. "Yeah no shit, violating norms is EXACTLY why we voted for him, you pannywaist milquetoast snowflakes!"
The better move IMO is to let his boorishness speak for itself and instead focus on the toxically inhumane politics behind the coarse language.
― mime kampf (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 11 January 2018 22:58 (six years ago) link
I didn't know you could say "shithole" on CNN
― frogbs, Thursday, 11 January 2018 23:00 (six years ago) link
France's propensity for protests is occasionally explained through its revolutionary history. Why the fuck doesn't this hold true for the US in 2018? The situation has been dire for months now, and it doesn't look like anyone is actually doing anything effective about it. As a foreign observer, it's hard not to consider the 'other America' complicit – I mean, why is no one is out in the streets? The tipping point was reached ages ago, for fuck's sake.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 11 January 2018 23:01 (six years ago) link
Language matters. It's a terrible cliche but it's true. It's not about "presidential discourse", it's about having at least a vague hint of human decency in your bones. Which this sorry excuse for a man doesn't have. He deserves to be called out on it. His language very clearly represents the tip of the iceberg; his inhumane politics are what lie beneath.
― ♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 11 January 2018 23:02 (six years ago) link
xp Pomenitul otm. I ask myself that question daily.
― ♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 11 January 2018 23:03 (six years ago) link
LBI agreed
This distinction is being discussed in Words, usages, and phrases that annoy the shit out of you... thread. I feel like both aspects of it are terrible and worth objecting to w/o diminishing either
― Hadrian VIII, Thursday, 11 January 2018 23:03 (six years ago) link
Gotcha H VIII
― ♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 11 January 2018 23:05 (six years ago) link
I'm not American so I don't have to worry about saying I hope he dies tonight.
― Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Thursday, 11 January 2018 23:07 (six years ago) link
I think we should all be careful about calling President Trump a racist without further elaboration because it kinda softpedals the fact that he's an utterly unapologetic white supremacist piece of shit nazi fuck. I know that's a mouthful but we should strive for accuracy imo.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Thursday, 11 January 2018 23:09 (six years ago) link
Why aren't Americans in the street every single weekend? Protesting this gigantic fuckup of a president? I don't know.
It's a fact that nearly half of the voters wanted this man in office. Is even ten percent of them going to admit they made a 'yuge' mistake? Five percent? Not in a million years. And with practically no opposition from the Hillary voters, no streets filling up every Saturday, you'd have to assume this is just what America is in 2018. Trump: he's dumb but what can you do.. It's not gotten even close to anymore than that. It's disheartening to view from across the ocean, I'll tell you that.
~
It's nagl, I know, but I'm genuinely surprised not one person has tried to shoot Trump. I thought that would've happened within weeks of his presidency!
― ♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 11 January 2018 23:12 (six years ago) link
xpost I also think we should be careful about saying we hope he dies tonight because it sort of hedges on by what method e.g. stroking out of the toilet with his pants around his ankles and with his McDonalds bib in a twist
― Hadrian VIII, Thursday, 11 January 2018 23:13 (six years ago) link
i feel that way too, pomenitul. i wish there were emails about nationwide protests going around right now - now would be the time to do it.
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 11 January 2018 23:13 (six years ago) link
And with practically no opposition from the Hillary voters, no streets filling up every Saturday, you'd have to assume this is just what America is in 2018.
it's not far from the truth. i get the sense that a lot of people are just getting exhausted with trump. it's every day, it's everything, it's everywhere, it's always a possible topic. but because of that exhaustion, it can be fucking eerie as hell when something crazy happens and no one around you even seems to notice it or mention it.
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 11 January 2018 23:15 (six years ago) link
Yeah, that or they are all Thors.
― Never Learn To Mike Love (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 11 January 2018 23:15 (six years ago) link
That's ridiculous. Some of them are Lokis.
― MarkoP, Thursday, 11 January 2018 23:17 (six years ago) link
It's kinda dumb but people don't get out in the streets in the winter, even for revolutions
If some course correction isn't made by the summer things are gonna start to get ugly
― Hadrian VIII, Thursday, 11 January 2018 23:18 (six years ago) link
Russia might have a few words there.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 11 January 2018 23:18 (six years ago) link
it was pretty cold for the women's march
― porg and bess (voodoo chili), Thursday, 11 January 2018 23:19 (six years ago) link
Party are out in the streets _today_. Fuckin’ NYPD put an NYC councilman in a chokehold, in a rather blatant literal display of the city’s current power structure.
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Thursday, 11 January 2018 23:21 (six years ago) link
― Karl Malone, Thursday, January 11, 2018 11:15 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Exactly. I totally get that. And it's arguably been two generations since people really took to the streets (Vietnam). So it's not going to happen overnight.
Question is: do things need to get even worse (no idea how, but Trump's proven it can, every single day) or would some getting used to this sordid affair help get people to protest? Neither seem likely tbh, which is grim.
― ♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 11 January 2018 23:23 (six years ago) link
....and yet, if one believes it was necessary to lay down rhetorical covering fire before betraying the base on immigration, this did the trick. https://t.co/xNB5yDcuNf— Tim Alberta (@TimAlberta) January 11, 2018
he's not this smart, but this will be the effect
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 11 January 2018 23:28 (six years ago) link
xpost Ned, true enough, obv. I'm thinking of Arab + Prague + Ukrainian springs and more recently how in nyc the Occupy movement sort of folded for the winter in IIRC
― Hadrian VIII, Thursday, 11 January 2018 23:28 (six years ago) link
BREAKING: Donald Trump 'cancels visit to UK next month after fearing he won't be welcome' https://t.co/jOusv38GDu pic.twitter.com/KftRUIQLLj— Daily Mirror (@DailyMirror) January 11, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 11 January 2018 23:29 (six years ago) link
it's arguably been two generations since people really took to the streets (Vietnam)
nope.
According to the French academic Dominique Reynié, between January 3 and April 12, 2003, 36 million people across the globe took part in almost 3,000 protests against the Iraq war.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_the_Iraq_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_the_Iraq_War
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 11 January 2018 23:29 (six years ago) link
when you act like the world's dirty cop no wonder you think like this
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 11 January 2018 23:30 (six years ago) link
I suppose being The Richest and Most Powerful Country in the World™ wards you against any intra-national opposition, as long as there's enough to go around for the oligarchy. The hoi polloi can vicariously get high on the pride of being #1. Totally worth it, right?
― pomenitul, Thursday, 11 January 2018 23:31 (six years ago) link
my first reaction was that since the only support he'll get for his shithole remark will be from his base, he'll take shelter with them, and doubledown on his xenophobia. that's what they want, at least, and he seems to like trying to make "his people" (white people) happy.
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 11 January 2018 23:34 (six years ago) link
Bold move that even after pardoning Joe Arpaio Trump is about to offer sanctuary to Varg Vikernes— Shuja Haider (@shujaxhaider) January 11, 2018
BREAKING: President Trump, in a series of tweets, defended Burzum's jail synth records; "The guy didn't have access to guitars, I mean, you gotta admire the drive. Plus they're soothing"— Liam O'Brien (@LiamIsTalking) January 11, 2018
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Thursday, 11 January 2018 23:34 (six years ago) link
what's amazing about all this is that many people say that trump is the last racist person you've ever met
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 11 January 2018 23:36 (six years ago) link
― pomenitul
we've been through this here, iirc:
rolling explaining conservatism
― sleeve, Thursday, 11 January 2018 23:37 (six years ago) link
short answer is the quote about how every poor person in America sees themselves as a temporarily inconvenienced millionaire
― sleeve, Thursday, 11 January 2018 23:38 (six years ago) link
Not sure how that explains why non-conservatives aren't taking to the streets en masse, though.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 11 January 2018 23:40 (six years ago) link
true, and I share your frustration
― sleeve, Thursday, 11 January 2018 23:41 (six years ago) link
maybe because it didn't do shit re: Iraq?
obv. I would disagree w/that, regardless of the "effectiveness of protest" this really needs to start happening just as a gesture
― sleeve, Thursday, 11 January 2018 23:42 (six years ago) link
As a foreign observer, it's hard not to consider the 'other America' complicit – I mean, why is no one is out in the streets? The tipping point was reached ages ago, for fuck's sake.\
complicit in what, exactly?
― the late great, Thursday, 11 January 2018 23:43 (six years ago) link
🐦[BREAKING: Donald Trump ’cancels visit to UK next month after fearing he won’t be welcome’ https://t.co/jOusv38GDu🕸 pic.twitter.com/KftRUIQLLj🕸— Daily Mirror (@DailyMirror) January 11, 2018🕸]🐦
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 11 January 2018 23:45 (six years ago) link
Gunna be fun if he never actually makes it over there for four years
Or
He drags his feet so long by the time he finally gets there, Corbyn is in charge
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Thursday, 11 January 2018 23:52 (six years ago) link
Trump push notification watch:WaPo: ShitholeNYT: Vulgar languageCNN: ShitholeLAT: SlurAP: Shithole— Jon Passantino (@passantino) January 11, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 11 January 2018 23:53 (six years ago) link
didn't know you could say "shithole" on CNN
― frogbs, Thursday, 11 January 2018 23:00 (forty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
When the president does it, it's legal
― remember the lmao (darraghmac), Thursday, 11 January 2018 23:56 (six years ago) link
I think the only thing mass protests alone do is just keep the dude from visiting your country
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Thursday, 11 January 2018 23:56 (six years ago) link
live on the air, i've heard s-hole, bleephole, s-word-hole, and shithole
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 11 January 2018 23:56 (six years ago) link
Hilarious that the language is so scandalously awful but the same people who find it thus are cool with the president having this view.
― attention vampire (MatthewK), Friday, 12 January 2018 00:04 (six years ago) link
So will it should be fine to refer to the President as 'that asshole' on most media outlets from now on?
― Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Friday, 12 January 2018 00:05 (six years ago) link
“Certain Washington politicians choose to fight for foreign countries, but President Trump will always fight for the American people,” Mr. Shah said.
gotta love that the spokesperson's main line of response is that trump hates all countries equally, not just haiti and "african nations"
― Karl Malone, Friday, 12 January 2018 00:25 (six years ago) link
What Norwegian would?
― remember the lmao (darraghmac), Friday, 12 January 2018 00:28 (six years ago) link
and meanwhile happily tracking upward toward 40% approval on the 538 poll integrator, which would be his highest approval since May 2017:https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/
― attention vampire (MatthewK), Friday, 12 January 2018 00:32 (six years ago) link
nice to see Dom's brother is having so much success
― Keak da Sneaky Dianne (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 12 January 2018 00:36 (six years ago) link
Jim Acosta on CNN quoting the President of the United States:
"Why do we need more Haitians? Take them out."
― Hadrian VIII, Friday, 12 January 2018 01:03 (six years ago) link
FUCK THIS ASSHOLE
can't wait until Jan. 20th, gonna scream til I'm mute
― sleeve, Friday, 12 January 2018 01:22 (six years ago) link
primary every single one of these scumbag motherfucking Democrats
Taking Short Break From Denouncing Trump Authoritarianism, House Dems Join With GOP to 'Violate the Privacy Rights of Everyone in United States"
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/01/11/taking-short-break-denouncing-trump-authoritarianism-house-dems-join-gop-violate
― sleeve, Friday, 12 January 2018 01:28 (six years ago) link
Weird - no mention of the Trump story at all on the ABC News homepage. Nowhere to be found. It's the lead story on CNN, NPR, CBS, NBC, and Fox.
― timellison, Friday, 12 January 2018 01:33 (six years ago) link
incl Shakey's pal Pelosi xp
Many people have been in the streets. However, we practically had a second civil war in this country 1965-71, and most citizens remained safely inside. People generally think of national politics as a TV show.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 12 January 2018 01:39 (six years ago) link
Trump's mega-rant about how he is the smartest and best at everything, as WSJ tries to ask him about Bannon, must be read to be believed. https://t.co/WAH6qyifpb pic.twitter.com/Gw3vx2nSc7— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) January 12, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 12 January 2018 02:17 (six years ago) link
was not expecting the sydney morning herald to go with 's---hole'
― mookieproof, Friday, 12 January 2018 02:18 (six years ago) link
Yeah our media are usually pretty laissez-faire about swears on TV at least up to "shit" level. I feel like Ive heard "cunt" on ABC news before but Im not so sure.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 12 January 2018 02:48 (six years ago) link
"I was always the best athlete, people don't know that"
― Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Friday, 12 January 2018 02:48 (six years ago) link
i gotta admit — i didn't know that
― (the blues version in his Broadway show) (crüt), Friday, 12 January 2018 02:49 (six years ago) link
as per the sign, this episode of Black Mirror sucks
― sleeve, Friday, 12 January 2018 02:55 (six years ago) link
"Just - and so - so I was successful, successful, successful."
― Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Friday, 12 January 2018 03:00 (six years ago) link
"But the difference is I’m president; other people aren’t. And I know more about wedges than any human being that’s ever lived"
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 12 January 2018 03:02 (six years ago) link
Why the fuck doesn't this hold true for the US in 2018? The situation has been dire for months now, and it doesn't look like anyone is actually doing anything effective about it. As a foreign observer, it's hard not to consider the 'other America' complicit – I mean, why is no one is out in the streets? The tipping point was reached ages ago, for fuck's sake.
Professional organizers are divided, all having to prioritize their own battles rather than having the capacity to come together to plan strategic escalation. I spoke with one of the organizers of the Hong Kong student protests who marveled at the way Trump opened up so many battlefields of protest simultaneously, that he divided the forces of opposition by attacking them all separately.
There was an impeachment encampment that lived down the street from the White House for a month. It didn't grow organically. It wasn't well planned (they had no escalation plan and largely flew by seat of their pants) and the folks who might have known how to plan it better had they come together were occupied planning the next steps in the health care fight, or trying to figure out how to make the DREAM Act happen, or trying to figure out what to do about the tax bill.
I think regular (anti-Trump) people aren't coming out in the numbers one might expect because they've become exhausted by the different forms of protest they've had to take up this year. The psychological toll of living under this guy does not feel light as we undergo it.
Why haven't *spontaneous* millions-strong mass protests broken out? Many rural people feel he's embarassing & coarse but not wrong. Throw in the actual white nationalist types and the craven right wing policy types and you wind up with his 30% approval rating. That means that for many more people than that this all feels more like an ugly & scary turn in the culture war than a real threat to their personal future.
All that's to say that for the everyday middle class white person going to school or work there's not an acute sense of national crisis that might propel them into spontaneous protest. The media has become such an outrageous drone that their coverage isn't sparking that sense of national crisis either, though this Wolff book in being so singular seems to have turned on a panic bulb in newsrooms all over, puditocracy soul searching about "how bad it's gotten." And the social movements are divided fighting battles for survival.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 12 January 2018 03:05 (six years ago) link
Is there even a way to identify a successful person if they don't regularly inform you of their success like they have a tic? I can't imagine what metric you'd even use to measure success beyond the manic self-reporting of a successful person. It may come across as a desperately insecure cry for help to those who aren't successful, but that's just how jealousy manifests sometimes, I guess.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Friday, 12 January 2018 03:12 (six years ago) link
HOOS otm.Also a lot of us are planning for big MLK Day marches and Women's marches coming up next week.
― Fetchboy, Friday, 12 January 2018 03:16 (six years ago) link
s-word-hole
i'll give him a swordhole
― porg and bess (voodoo chili), Friday, 12 January 2018 03:23 (six years ago) link
― Karl Malone, Thursday, January 11, 2018 3:36 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
God if only
― while my dirk gently weeps (symsymsym), Friday, 12 January 2018 03:42 (six years ago) link
for foreign observers who consider us complicit, I might point you to the list of US cities by population, where it should be clear that Trump's current residence is not even in the top 20; also, the gestalt position of my neighbors and I is, as we say, "crystal"
― El Tomboto, Friday, 12 January 2018 04:22 (six years ago) link
lmao at "swordhole"
― Simon H., Friday, 12 January 2018 04:28 (six years ago) link
xp thank you
― sleeve, Friday, 12 January 2018 04:43 (six years ago) link
christ he's dumb
Reason I canceled my trip to London is that I am not a big fan of the Obama Administration having sold perhaps the best located and finest embassy in London for “peanuts,” only to build a new one in an off location for 1.2 billion dollars. Bad deal. Wanted me to cut ribbon-NO!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 12, 2018
― Karl Malone, Friday, 12 January 2018 05:00 (six years ago) link
he's not going to london because they wanted him to cut the ribbon
― Karl Malone, Friday, 12 January 2018 05:02 (six years ago) link
You tell 'em Donald.
― attention vampire (MatthewK), Friday, 12 January 2018 05:23 (six years ago) link
just in case you were wondering how his supporters rationalize today's events:
Which is worse: Obama publicly praising Iran and Cuba, or Trump privately criticizing Haiti and El Salvador?— Ezra Levant 🇨🇦 (@ezralevant) January 11, 2018
― Karl Malone, Friday, 12 January 2018 05:24 (six years ago) link
OK, here is a summary:- The president is claiming he's not going to visit a top ally because he's unhappy about a real estate decision by the Obama admin- The decision was actually made by the Bush admin- The decision was made for anti-terror reasons- It is midnight— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) January 12, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 12 January 2018 05:30 (six years ago) link
yeah i was gonna say, everything about that excuse is nonsense. but also it's so brazenly, defiantly off-topic. he might as well say he's not going to london because he is not a big fan of mcdonald's shamrock shakes. yet he actually is really pleased with himself for coming up with such an awesome excuse.
― Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Friday, 12 January 2018 06:33 (six years ago) link
Please don't drag us into this
― remember the lmao (darraghmac), Friday, 12 January 2018 07:51 (six years ago) link
we have shamrock shakes?
― "Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Friday, 12 January 2018 10:29 (six years ago) link
we "has" shamrock shakes.
― Mark G, Friday, 12 January 2018 10:33 (six years ago) link
we "can haz" shamrock shakes
― j., Friday, 12 January 2018 11:18 (six years ago) link
"we"
― remember the lmao (darraghmac), Friday, 12 January 2018 12:11 (six years ago) link
thanks, now I want a shamrock shake.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 12 January 2018 12:32 (six years ago) link
I get up everyday at 6am to get my daughter to school. then I with until five, and get home to pick her up or start dinner. then it's dinner, homework, bedtime, so then i have about 2 hours to read or watch TV before I go to sleepmy wife is unemployed and her benefits ran out after six months so now I'm gonna be working for a transcription service or driving Lyft on the weekends while trying to spend time with my daughterI guess that's why I'm not out on the street you condescending fucks
― Keak da Sneaky Dianne (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 12 January 2018 12:40 (six years ago) link
oh and we have a bunch of medical bills I don't how we're gonna pay if my wife doesn't get a job in the next 2 months I guess we sell the house or start the slide into bankruptcy
― Keak da Sneaky Dianne (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 12 January 2018 12:44 (six years ago) link
I don't think the US is complicit. It's a f'ing avalanche. No one is able to focus on any one thing because it's everything, everyday. He is driving the country absolutely mad. I no longer have a relationship with my entire family because of this administration.
― Yerac, Friday, 12 January 2018 12:47 (six years ago) link
it's also -23C outside
― Keak da Sneaky Dianne (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 12 January 2018 12:51 (six years ago) link
Also the US is too big. I am all for dividing this up (pipe dream).
― Yerac, Friday, 12 January 2018 12:53 (six years ago) link
I always wonder what all you are doing in your own countries to help people being victimized by racism and global capitalism? or maybe it's easier to enjoy our little reality show looking down on those that have to live in this every day while stroking yourselves off with pseudointellectual concern trolling
― Keak da Sneaky Dianne (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 12 January 2018 13:14 (six years ago) link
The US is fucking huge, and while we've hit the streets a few times (individually, in groups, and as a family), it's such a shit storm that hitting the streets every time something bad goes down - which is literally every day - is not possible. We donate, we have signs, we campaign, we canvass, we call, we organize. I have a couple of friends who have all but dedicated their lives to protest (at some mental cost, imo). But in the end it seems almost pointless, at least in a city/state with two Dem senators and (locally at least) a bunch of Dem reps. I've heard that described as one of the downsides of the liberal/rural divide: the cities are dense with people and Democrats, but because of that these huge voting blocks have no minds to change. Swing districts, GOP districts ... there is effective movement to be made. But here, not so much.
Anyway, in the end many of the administration's most ambitiously terrible ideas have been stopped or slowed, in part due to protest but also the way the legal system works. They won't all be wins, but it's been one year, and next year could determine literally everything, from policy to potential impeachment.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 12 January 2018 13:17 (six years ago) link
In the meantime, Trump's televised meeting competence offensive lasted, as predicted, less than 24 hours.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 12 January 2018 13:18 (six years ago) link
― Yerac, Friday, January 12, 2018 7:53 AM (twenty-six minutes ago
oh good! We get our bimonthly let's-divide-blue-and-red-state argument!
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 12 January 2018 13:20 (six years ago) link
i think all red states should be paired up with a "buddy" blue state, then strengthen those regions' abilities to raise their own taxes, and of course create a new "appellation" system where they could all compete on who makes the best barbecue
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 12 January 2018 13:22 (six years ago) link
Appellation d'Appalachian
― mime kampf (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 12 January 2018 13:35 (six years ago) link
When considering the successes of mass civil resistance movements around the world in bringing down governments in the last 50 years, it's important to remember that, say, Serbia (where mass protest brought down Milosevic) is approximately the size of the state of Maine.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 12 January 2018 13:54 (six years ago) link
trump now profusely, sweatily denying the shithole comment btw
― Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Friday, 12 January 2018 13:56 (six years ago) link
He's denying the word, not what he communicated by that word, and everybody understands that.
― droit au butt (Euler), Friday, 12 January 2018 13:58 (six years ago) link
lol cuck
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 12 January 2018 14:01 (six years ago) link
I never thought literally non-stop lying and denying could be such an effective deflection tool. Like, I understand lying deployed as an occasional strategy, but non stop ... that's a tough battle, especially when so many live in bizarro world.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 12 January 2018 14:04 (six years ago) link
I mean, I understand lying's historical effectiveness, but that is often in places where calling out the lies can be a punishable offense. Here, everyone seems to know he's lying, and he blatantly lies about such dumb stuff, again and again.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 12 January 2018 14:07 (six years ago) link
I still contend that Trump only 'succeeds' with these ploys because most people don't have direct experience dealing with a psychology like Trump's and are thusly learning on the fly. Some people will always be knocked for a loop and uncertain how to respond but I think a lot of people will slowly develop appropriate coping/deflection mechanisms through repeated exposure.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Friday, 12 January 2018 14:09 (six years ago) link
https://static.simpsonswiki.com/images/thumb/7/7d/I_Didn%27t_Do_It%21_Volume_III.png/250px-I_Didn%27t_Do_It%21_Volume_III.png
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 12 January 2018 14:11 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li9UWIdqEjg
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Friday, 12 January 2018 14:14 (six years ago) link
I, my family, my friends, and my colleagues have been "in the streets" plenty. I was in antiwar protests in 1990-91 and 2003-04. Various GATT/WTO/NAFTA/World Bank stuff in 1995-97. I was involved in driving an enormous inflatable beaver around the Beltway for reasons that I don't even remember. I experienced both the Million Man and Million Mom Marches. The ultimately trivial Stewart/Colbert thingy. Counterprotesting antiabortion demos, counterprotesting Contract with America and Tea Party demos. I stayed home from the Women's March to enable others to go, but nearly everyone I know was there. I missed Occupy but know plenty of people who were there.
I've lived in the DC area for 35 years, and someone is almost always "in the streets." And it almost always does fuck-all. The problem is not that people aren't in the streets enough - the problem is that it rarely accomplishes significant, sustained change. Of course it's good for morale, for solidarity, for drawing battle lines, for making sure that certain positions are seen and known to be viable.
And like others upthread, there is a bit of nagl in the "why aren't you guys aren't out in the streets every weekend" stuff. First, yeah, jobs/kids/lives. Second, the idea that if only we'd protested MORE, then things would be better is unproven.
― mime kampf (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 12 January 2018 14:15 (six years ago) link
trump now profusely, sweatily denying the shithole comment btwonly denying that he said it about Haiti, apparently because he did specifically say it about African countries
― Haribo Hancock (sic), Friday, 12 January 2018 14:22 (six years ago) link
truly, the day he became microscopically accountable
I think rushomancy has the right idea: it's important (even crucial) to acknowledge that there are many routes to positive change beyond direct protest action, and it's equally important to conserve your own personal energies for the long fight (see JiC's mention of activists who burn hard until they themselves out, which is not uncommon ime).
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Friday, 12 January 2018 14:23 (six years ago) link
I don't think President Goldfish Brain is in a position to confirm or deny anything he said or did more than fifteen minutes ago. And even then I'd double check with a raft of fact-checkers and whichever recording devices might have captured a given exchange (fake video cameras!).
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Friday, 12 January 2018 14:25 (six years ago) link
Lunch/rush/Josh: Agreed. I saw a lot of activist burnout during my time as a professional environmental advocate, and also a lot of vicarious traumatization (if you can't even go out to a movie because The Salamanders Are Dying, then you're not doing yourself or the salamanders any good service).
Obviously most of us are likely to keep going out there. Hey hey ho ho and all that. Giant puppets, yadda yadda.
But the real place everybody needs to get out to is the voting booth.
― mime kampf (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 12 January 2018 14:29 (six years ago) link
I mean I honestly think it can be as simple as, for example, figuring out how to leverage whatever it is you currently do for a living into something that better promotes positive change, or volunteering for something that utilizes your strengths, or even just making the concerted effort to be kinder and more open to other people. Trump et al are trying to effect a paradigmatic change on multiple fronts and we have to do likewise.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Friday, 12 January 2018 14:35 (six years ago) link
I never thought literally non-stop lying and denying could be such an effective deflection tool.
there's a sort of Prisoner's dilemma thing going on here. by never admitting fault and continuing to lie profusely about anything and everything he's actually sort of got a leg up on news organizations who will admit when they make a mistake. not to mention you get the advantage on 'moderate' Dems who only promise unexciting incremental improvement while you get to boast about building walls (that you won't have to pay for) and throwing out 2 million immigrants within your first hour on the job
plus, look at the difference between supporters - this was all telegraphed early on, when Berniebros yelled and screamed throughout the entire DNC while everyone at the RNC gleefully chanted "LOCK HER UP!" at every speech
― frogbs, Friday, 12 January 2018 14:36 (six years ago) link
xpost (Not to mention the fact that there are plenty of people who are never going to be swayed one way or another by public demonstration.)
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Friday, 12 January 2018 14:37 (six years ago) link
(But yes also voting is an absolute necessity, if you do nothing at all beyond that.)
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Friday, 12 January 2018 14:39 (six years ago) link
Wow, I'd thought the shithole comments had been made only with his cabinet or something, but it was a bipartisan meeting and he was responding to a Democrat. This guy is mentally unstable.
Sorry if you all knew this :)
― Frederik B, Friday, 12 January 2018 15:01 (six years ago) link
meanwhile, the context for the denials is what is by his standards an epic-length tweetstorm on his rejection of the "so-called bipartisan" DACA proposals. i am positively shocked to discover that president dealmaker couldn't make it happen. must have been nefarious mustache-twirling sabotage by the democrats. "Dirty Dick Dastardly must go down! Many people are saying this, Muttley and many others. VOTERS WILL FIX!"
― Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Friday, 12 January 2018 15:06 (six years ago) link
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-appears-deny-shithole-slur-defends-tough-immigration-stance-n837056
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 12 January 2018 15:07 (six years ago) link
super/callous/fragile/shitstain/hexed/by/racist/bullshit
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 12 January 2018 15:08 (six years ago) link
Does he go to the doctor today? At the very least that will shut him up for a couple of hours.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 12 January 2018 15:09 (six years ago) link
bravo, qualms
― Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Friday, 12 January 2018 15:11 (six years ago) link
I was involved in driving an enormous inflatable beaver around the Beltway for reasons that I don't even remember.
I'm sorry I'm going to need a little more context here.
― "Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Friday, 12 January 2018 15:13 (six years ago) link
Also, really sorry you're having such a hard time UMS, and I hope it changes soon, you are one of my favourite ILX presences.
re: the physical exam, i'm just waiting until we get "Have been told by my medical team, who are the best in the world, that there is no need for an exam because of the very terrible real estate deals of Obama. Ridiculous deal, would never have made! Now great health will not be known. BLAME DEMS!"
― Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Friday, 12 January 2018 15:15 (six years ago) link
I still predict he walks out early in a huff.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 12 January 2018 15:16 (six years ago) link
Or blows it off entirely.
"Dumb (Dem) Senate say they want health care, now this! Many now know their lies. Will reveal big announcement next week, what will it be?"
― Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Friday, 12 January 2018 15:17 (six years ago) link
I just want him to die, does that make me a bad person? I feel it does, somehow. Still, the heart wants what it wants.
― "Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Friday, 12 January 2018 15:19 (six years ago) link
His heart surely wants to pop..
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 12 January 2018 15:20 (six years ago) link
Well, look to London: the threat of YUGE protests at 45’s visit (whether a state visit or a working one) seems to have worked a treat in that he’s cancelled, but the entire UK is roughly the size of Minnesota.
― kim jong deal (suzy), Friday, 12 January 2018 15:22 (six years ago) link
Two weeks ago a 26-year old soldier raced repeatedly into a burning Bronx apartment building, saving four people before he died in the flames. His name was Pvt. Emmanuel Mensah and he immigrated from Ghana, a country Donald Trump apparently thinks produces very subpar immigrants.— Bill Kristol (@BillKristol) January 12, 2018
woke Kristol is a thing
― "Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Friday, 12 January 2018 15:24 (six years ago) link
I forget the tweet, but the whole "some exceptional people come from those countries!" take is so fucking bad
― Simon H., Friday, 12 January 2018 15:27 (six years ago) link
NEW: "Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina spoke up and made a direct comment on what the president said. I was very proud of him. It took courage for what he did," Sen. Dick Durbin says, firing back at Pres. Trump's denial of "sh*thole countries" comment pic.twitter.com/YH4pCVdcjP— CBS News (@CBSNews) January 12, 2018
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 12 January 2018 15:28 (six years ago) link
only cuz the guy was a TROOP xxp
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 12 January 2018 15:28 (six years ago) link
ah here we are
If you have the impulse to post stories about amazing people from Haiti or other "shitholes," stop. Everyone -- even racists -- knows people like that exist. There are amazing people from every group. Equality isn't making room for the exceptional, it's embracing the average.— N. K. Jemisin (@nkjemisin) January 12, 2018
― Simon H., Friday, 12 January 2018 15:29 (six years ago) link
but the entire UK is roughly the size of Minnesota.
Actually a fair bit bigger than Minnesota but smaller than Michigan.
― Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Friday, 12 January 2018 15:32 (six years ago) link
🐦[NEW: "Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina spoke up and made a direct comment on what the president said. I was very proud of him. It took courage for what he did," Sen. Dick Durbin says, firing back at Pres. Trump’s denial of "sh*thole countries" comment pic.twitter.com/YH4pCVdcjP🕸— CBS News (@CBSNews) January 12, 2018🕸]🐦
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 12 January 2018 15:32 (six years ago) link
"The most disheartening thing to me is, my belief that, that was the first time words that hateful have been spoken in the Oval Office of the White House," Sen. Dick Durbin says
Well now let's not get too far ahead of ourselves here.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Friday, 12 January 2018 15:35 (six years ago) link
OTM, and as someone else on Twitter said (paraphrasing), he's not asking for more doctors or engineers or physicists or teachers, he's asking for more Norwegians, which is not a skill.
― Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Friday, 12 January 2018 15:37 (six years ago) link
You need both protest and organization in order to build a movement capable of activating a sufficient portion of the public to make abandonment of the social-institutional & bureaucratic structures of support of the office of the President a politically sound proposition--spontaneous mass mobilizations and stable infrastructure prepared to rapidly absorb the spontaneous energy into sustained & ongoing strategic work. The strategic organizers are divided, lots of comfortable people feel protest is useless ("what did the Women's March accomplish? checkmate!"), and the GOP continues to get something out of Trump being in office, even if it's just cover for their policy wet dreams. Paul Ryan will, hopefully one day soon, be confined to a nice little yard where he can't hurt anyone anymore.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 12 January 2018 15:39 (six years ago) link
the first time words that hateful have been spoken in the Oval Office of the White House
Was gonna say! There may be a few hundred years of counterexamples.
― mime kampf (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 12 January 2018 15:39 (six years ago) link
i definitely want him to suffer legally (incl imprisonment, which lol will never happen), personally, financially. but i do think if he dies in office he'll become a folk hero. and even the press that's been adversarial will "reassess" his legacy in pretty short order.
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Friday, 12 January 2018 15:40 (six years ago) link
now his enablers from the top on down, otoh...
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Friday, 12 January 2018 15:41 (six years ago) link
but i do think if he dies in office he'll become a folk hero.
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 12 January 2018 15:43 (six years ago) link
The best case (and I think most likely) comeuppance scenario is that it will be no longer tenable to advertise apartment buildings, casinos, or golf courses with the name Trump
― Hadrian VIII, Friday, 12 January 2018 15:45 (six years ago) link
Just listened (Slow Burn podcast) to a recounting of Nixon's fatal slurs on Ed Muskie — among them that Muskie once laughed when a colleague referred to Canadians as Canucks
How quaint
― Hadrian VIII, Friday, 12 January 2018 15:46 (six years ago) link
Honestly, I don't wish for Trump's death because I want him to live long enough to choke down the 750 years of karmic payback he has coming to him.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Friday, 12 January 2018 15:47 (six years ago) link
don't see why that can't coincide w/ a slow and painful death
― Hadrian VIII, Friday, 12 January 2018 15:49 (six years ago) link
I think if he dies in office the country will move on so fast, save the people who refuse to believe he's dead, or think he was killed.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 12 January 2018 15:49 (six years ago) link
Surely his tombstone will refute the death
― Hadrian VIII, Friday, 12 January 2018 15:50 (six years ago) link
FAKE DEATH
― mime kampf (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 12 January 2018 15:51 (six years ago) link
To contaminate perfectly good soil like that...
― Evan, Friday, 12 January 2018 16:04 (six years ago) link
surely there must be recordings of this meeting?
― Heavy Messages (jed_), Friday, 12 January 2018 16:07 (six years ago) link
release the pee tapes and the shit tapes
― Evan, Friday, 12 January 2018 16:08 (six years ago) link
best case (and I think most likely) comeuppance scenario is that it will be no longer tenable to advertise apartment buildings, casinos, or golf courses with the name Trump
^^agree and i'll happily settle for this
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Friday, 12 January 2018 16:09 (six years ago) link
already happening, to some extent. name taken off at least two hotels last year, iirc.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 12 January 2018 16:10 (six years ago) link
was in vancouver last month and was surprised to see a Trump hotel there and from my view from across the street it looked to be doing ok business? it was kind of jarring stumbling upon it.
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Friday, 12 January 2018 16:11 (six years ago) link
it’s usually lindsey admiring dick
in private anyway
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 12 January 2018 16:12 (six years ago) link
Haiti’s US Ambassador Paul Altidor tells me Haiti’s government has formerly summoned a US official to explain Trump’s comments to Haiti’s officials. “Haitians fought along US soldiers in the revolutionary war and we continue to be great contributors to American society,” he said https://t.co/adRajn3O5y— Yamiche Alcindor (@Yamiche) January 12, 2018
I just talked to Haiti’s Ambassador to the United States Paul Altidor who said he and the Haitian government “vehemently condemn” President Trump’s comments which they believe are “based on stereotypes.” “Either the president has been misinformed or he is miseducated.”— Yamiche Alcindor (@Yamiche) January 12, 2018
― Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Friday, 12 January 2018 16:14 (six years ago) link
xxpost Now just imagine how jarring it is seeing the two-story high TRUMP on his downtown Chicago building on the way to and from work every single weekday.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Friday, 12 January 2018 16:14 (six years ago) link
I'll be okay if they just remove the letter T.
― mime kampf (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 12 January 2018 16:15 (six years ago) link
Or replace it with "CH"
― Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Friday, 12 January 2018 16:17 (six years ago) link
remove ‘TR’ and ‘MP’, replace with ‘C’ and ‘NT’ imo
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 12 January 2018 16:19 (six years ago) link
CHRUMP
― justfanoe (Greg Fanoe), Friday, 12 January 2018 16:19 (six years ago) link
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 12 January 2018 16:22 (six years ago) link
Now just imagine how jarring it is seeing the two-story high TRUMP on his downtown Chicago building on the way to and from work every single weekday.
ha yeah my girlfriend was up there or work a couple months back and a partner at her firm wanted to take them out to the "best rooftop (or view?) in the city"; they ended up at Trump tower. she and the other associates were kinda like wtf, especially since the partner seemed/s to think Trump's an idiot and (probably) racist, etc. I guess just not horrible enough to refrain from giving him $$$.
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Friday, 12 January 2018 16:29 (six years ago) link
KRUMP
― Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Friday, 12 January 2018 16:33 (six years ago) link
i guess one of the primary advantages of looking at the view from trump tower is that you don’t have to see trump tower on the skyline
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 12 January 2018 16:35 (six years ago) link
I was going to say, that is by default the best view.
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 12 January 2018 16:37 (six years ago) link
resistance folk/ dirtbags should get jobs at Trump properties and just spend their entire workday stealing everything possible and just generally making it the worst place possible for guests. you'd be in a way a like a 'paid protester' that we keep hearing about.
yes i am basically 14 yo
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Friday, 12 January 2018 16:44 (six years ago) link
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-ambassador-panama-resigns-donald-trump-john-feeley-not-work-president-a8156116.html
― Hadrian VIII, Friday, 12 January 2018 17:00 (six years ago) link
So Morning Consult did some breakdowns of who has/hasn't changed their minds about Trump, and by how much.
I don't think I had seen this kind of data before - I mean, can see his overall ratings going up and down, and it's clear that he has a diehard base that isn't going to budge. But if inquiring minds want to see who is disgusted and who isn't, it's at
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/11/us/politics/trump-approval.html?_r=0
― mime kampf (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 12 January 2018 17:13 (six years ago) link
If I'm reading that correctly, his approval has fallen among...literally everyone?
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Friday, 12 January 2018 17:31 (six years ago) link
I mean it's a negligible drop among his supporters, obvs, but a drop is a drop.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Friday, 12 January 2018 17:32 (six years ago) link
at any moment I can turn around and read the letters TRUMP on a building visible from my window
― chinavision!, Friday, 12 January 2018 17:42 (six years ago) link
and unlike other licensing deals, he owns the dang thing
― chinavision!, Friday, 12 January 2018 17:44 (six years ago) link
Rep. Brendan Boyle of PA is today's new hero.
Doctors, lawyers and soldiers have to prove that they’re mentally competent to do their jobs. Should the president?That’s what Rep. Brendan Boyle, a Pennsylvania Democrat, proposed on Tuesday, when he introduced a bill that would require the president-elect to pass a physical and mental medical examination before swearing in. Although written to broadly encompass anyone elected to the nation’s highest office, the bill is clearly aimed at President Trump. It’s even named after one of the president’s recent tweets: the Standardizing Testing and Accountability Before Large Elections Giving Electors Necessary Information for Unobstructed Selection Act. (That’s STABLE GENIUS in acronymese.)
That’s what Rep. Brendan Boyle, a Pennsylvania Democrat, proposed on Tuesday, when he introduced a bill that would require the president-elect to pass a physical and mental medical examination before swearing in. Although written to broadly encompass anyone elected to the nation’s highest office, the bill is clearly aimed at President Trump. It’s even named after one of the president’s recent tweets: the Standardizing Testing and Accountability Before Large Elections Giving Electors Necessary Information for Unobstructed Selection Act. (That’s STABLE GENIUS in acronymese.)
― grawlix (unperson), Friday, 12 January 2018 17:46 (six years ago) link
A profile in courage
Paul Ryan calls Trump comments referring to Haiti and African nations as a “shithole’ as "very unfortunate, unhelpful."— Anthony De Rosa 🗽 (@Anthony) January 12, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 12 January 2018 17:47 (six years ago) link
I'm willing to bet that before the end of the year, Trump will say the N-word either into a live mic, or on an Oval Office recording that becomes public. I think we should start an ILX pool.
― grawlix (unperson), Friday, 12 January 2018 17:50 (six years ago) link
paul ryan retire bitch
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 12 January 2018 17:53 (six years ago) link
Paul Ryan calls Trump's use of the n-word "very unfortunate, unhelpful."
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Friday, 12 January 2018 17:56 (six years ago) link
Paul Ryan calls the stream of Donald Trump urine currently cascading across Ryan's face "blvery blunfortunate, blunhelpfulblbl."
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Friday, 12 January 2018 17:58 (six years ago) link
What a difference a day makes! Yesterday:
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/11/trump-davos-mnuchin-hangout-for-globalists-336503
"I don’t think it’s a hangout for globalists," Mnuchin said, using a term popularized by the nationalist wing of the Republican Party.
And today:
“I didn’t realize that it was the global elite," Mnuchin says of the World Economic Forum gathering Davos, Switzerland.— Alan Rappeport (@arappeport) January 12, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 12 January 2018 18:01 (six years ago) link
how are they so fucking dumbthey have learned NOTHING from a year in power ffs
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 12 January 2018 18:02 (six years ago) link
learning is for socialists
― LLAMAS ARE FOR CLOSERS (WilliamC), Friday, 12 January 2018 18:05 (six years ago) link
KY going to be first to enact Medicaid work requirements. Wonder how those folks will find a way to pin this on Clinton/ Obama?
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Friday, 12 January 2018 18:05 (six years ago) link
if obama and clinton hadn’t tanked the economy this belt-tightening would be necessary, obv
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 12 January 2018 18:06 (six years ago) link
er, wouldn’t
pic.twitter.com/WZBAhl09Eb— Jess Dweck (@TheDweck) January 12, 2018
― Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Friday, 12 January 2018 18:15 (six years ago) link
I knew nothing good was gonna come from Shadow President Hillary tossing wads of bills into the streets from her private helicopter. Thanks, Blomamba!
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Friday, 12 January 2018 18:16 (six years ago) link
Paul Ryan calls the stream of Donald Trump urine currently cascading across Ryan's face "blvery blunfortunate, blunhelpfulblbl."― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Friday, January 12, 2018 12:58 PM (nineteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Hadrian VIII, Friday, 12 January 2018 18:19 (six years ago) link
The whine of whipped curs
NEW: Sens. Tom Cotton and David Perdue issue joint statement on President Trump's reported "sh*thole" comment, saying "we do not recall the President saying these comments specifically." https://t.co/2sBsSAqrLY pic.twitter.com/NMMSAxUHBi— CBS News (@CBSNews) January 12, 2018
And in contrast:
meanwhile Sen. Tim Scott has talked to fellow South Carolina Republican Lindsey Graham, who was also in the meeting and Graham confirmed reports of Trump's comments are "basically accurate." https://t.co/0lSW8LSg5k— Haley Byrd (@byrdinator) January 12, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 12 January 2018 18:22 (six years ago) link
tom cotton's mouth is a shithole
he's up there with ted cruz in the execrable conservatives rankings
― Karl Malone, Friday, 12 January 2018 18:26 (six years ago) link
i don't much about Perdue. but he just issued a joint statement with tom cotton, so i'm assuming ew
― Karl Malone, Friday, 12 January 2018 18:27 (six years ago) link
lying for god and country
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 12 January 2018 18:29 (six years ago) link
And to what fucking end, really.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Friday, 12 January 2018 18:33 (six years ago) link
Reuters: U.S. ambassador to Panama has written a letter to the State Department announcing his resignation saying he resigns on principle and can no longer serve the Trump administration— Sky News Newsdesk (@SkyNewsBreak) January 12, 2018
― Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Friday, 12 January 2018 18:33 (six years ago) link
...Donald Trump urine currently cascading across Ryan's face "blvery blunfortunate, blunhelpfulblbl, burbbhrbhbbhbburbbb Grim Reapah!"
― Brave Combover (Dan Peterson), Friday, 12 January 2018 18:37 (six years ago) link
Some people say he said a bad word, other people say he didn't say it.
So naturally the public consensus should be that it's reasonable doubt, unprovable, he said/he said, nonissue, nothingburger; can't we move on from this pettiness and get on with doing the important work of MAGAing.
He may as well just have taken a dump on the desk, then directed several people to say they "don't recall" any desk-dumping. Any reports to the contrary are fake news from the dishonest media.
― mime kampf (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 12 January 2018 18:40 (six years ago) link
re: Panamanian ambassador - doubtless that ambassador will be replaced by someone who doesn't believe in the Panama Canal.
― mime kampf (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 12 January 2018 18:41 (six years ago) link
Many people are saying the White House is the best managed, most beautiful shithole.
― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 12 January 2018 18:43 (six years ago) link
didn't he already call the White House a dump lol
kinda going off what y'all were talking about above, there was a recent Deadcast where they tried to recap Trump's first year so far, there's so much that everyone just forgot about. gonna be amazing to read a week-by-week recap of all this one day
― frogbs, Friday, 12 January 2018 18:47 (six years ago) link
President Trump freely admits to defecating on the Oval Office desk before members of congress and the media but refutes the assertion that he prefaced the act by declaring that he was going to 'take a (s-word) all over this (b-word)'. The public remains divided on the appropriateness of the use of profanity by a standing president in referring to a bodily function such as this.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Friday, 12 January 2018 18:50 (six years ago) link
At the rate they're going, it's doubtful they'll replace him at all.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 12 January 2018 18:55 (six years ago) link
The Trump Administration: Putting the "anal" in "canal."
― mime kampf (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 12 January 2018 18:57 (six years ago) link
it's frankly ridiculous that the obummer administration saw fit to appoint an ambassador for a style of hat anyway, this opportunity to shrink government is a good thing and should be embraced by a grateful nation
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 12 January 2018 19:01 (six years ago) link
xp to frogbs
when the Arpaio for Senate announcement came out, I had the uncomfortable experience of needing to recall that Trump had pardoned him, an incident that would have haunted previous administrations. I still vividly recall the Marc Rich pardon scandal and that was on Clinton's last day in office.
― rob, Friday, 12 January 2018 19:01 (six years ago) link
― mime kampf (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, January 12, 2018 1:57 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Trump putting the everything-besides-"ry" in (our) shithole country
― Evan, Friday, 12 January 2018 19:07 (six years ago) link
OK that's it, no more puns today
― #TeamHailing (imago), Friday, 12 January 2018 19:07 (six years ago) link
I keep thinking of that FDR statue upthread and how there will one day be a trump statue with "all haitians have aids" or something inscribed on it
― Heez, Friday, 12 January 2018 19:09 (six years ago) link
with KFC bucket replacing Fala
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 12 January 2018 19:10 (six years ago) link
Trump's statue has to have him tossing a roll of paper towels
― frogbs, Friday, 12 January 2018 19:26 (six years ago) link
But of course
NBC: As a Korean woman was briefing trump on Pakistan, the president asked why the “pretty Korean lady” wasn’t negotiating peace w North Korea. pic.twitter.com/HgpMfFP277— Jake Sherman (@JakeSherman) January 12, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 12 January 2018 19:42 (six years ago) link
with KFC pee bucket replacing Fala
fixed
― mime kampf (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 12 January 2018 19:45 (six years ago) link
I can't stop laughing at @jaxalemany's write up of a White House conference call gone wrong: https://t.co/pt1HSUboRb pic.twitter.com/LvzMpFMyCa— Sopan Deb (@SopanDeb) January 12, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 12 January 2018 19:46 (six years ago) link
Isn't Trump half-Scottish? Let him be U.S. Ambassador to Scotland.
― mime kampf (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 12 January 2018 19:48 (six years ago) link
brb, gonna tweet bizarro's digits to the Trumpmeister real quick
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Friday, 12 January 2018 19:52 (six years ago) link
hahahahah "it's the illegitimate media" is 9000% stephen miller or some reporter horsing around
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 12 January 2018 19:53 (six years ago) link
"This is Kim Jong Un calling for Donald Trump"
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 12 January 2018 19:53 (six years ago) link
one might assume at this point that trump hates the job and is actively trying to get fired
― the late great, Friday, 12 January 2018 19:56 (six years ago) link
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 12 January 2018 20:00 (six years ago) link
www.conferencecall.gov xxxposts
― Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 12 January 2018 20:00 (six years ago) link
i can confirm that many govt conference calls go just like that, at all levels
― Karl Malone, Friday, 12 January 2018 20:02 (six years ago) link
conference calls are the worst means of communication the human race has yet devised
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 12 January 2018 20:03 (six years ago) link
xps to TLG, I don't think so. This isn't complicated. He's a narcissist so he loves adulation. And because he is a terrible person, the cheapest/easiest adulation he can get is the adulation of terrible people. Anything else would require effort, and he's lazy.
It's the same as wanting a Big Mac while living in an RV that is parked in a McDonald's drive-thru lane. Sure, you COULD go buy some broccoli, but why?
What incentive is there for Trump to seek the approval of anyone other than the people who already love him and gleefully cheer at every despicable thing he does? I mean, it's not as if he can suddenly become a person that Bill Kristol approves of - let alone Rachel Maddow - so why should he try?
― mime kampf (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 12 January 2018 20:04 (six years ago) link
yeah i was just kidding
― the late great, Friday, 12 January 2018 20:06 (six years ago) link
it's just comically absurd how awful he is
― the late great, Friday, 12 January 2018 20:07 (six years ago) link
and he's not even smart enough to be good at being awful, he's a terribly written villain who you keep waiting to pull a crafty scheme but no he's revealed everything there is to reveal already.
― omar little, Friday, 12 January 2018 20:10 (six years ago) link
Wall Street Journal's getting a bit fiery lately
NEW: A lawyer for Donald Trump arranged a 30,000 payment to a former adult-film star a month before the 2016 election as part of an agreement that precluded her from publicly discussing an alleged sexual encounter with Mr. Trump, per people familiar.https://t.co/KZhdex7UKE— erica orden (@eorden) January 12, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 12 January 2018 20:16 (six years ago) link
And meanwhile...
“More than one-fifth of Donald Trump’s US condominiums have been purchased since the 1980s in secretive, all-cash transactions that enable buyers to avoid legal scrutiny by shielding their finances and identities:” https://t.co/OYHdPscgew— Steve Inskeep (@NPRinskeep) January 12, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 12 January 2018 20:20 (six years ago) link
I am occasionally surprised by what really gets me, EG the tweet in Ned’s post. I am by no means identical to Tombot on my views on the US Intelligence Community, but something about the idea of telling someone whose parents came to the US, and who worked for her country and demonstrated her love for it to the point that she gets to give an intelligence briefing to the president - telling her that that she’s not really American, infuriates me immensely.
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 12 January 2018 20:23 (six years ago) link
Er xp okay a few of Ned’s posts ago.
It seems at least possible that Trump is incapable of processing the fact that someone of Asian ethnicity might also be an American.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Friday, 12 January 2018 20:26 (six years ago) link
Remember when the Wall Street Journal reporting that a president had paid a porn star $130,000 in hush money would have been the biggest news of the year instead of fighting for sidebar status as story of the day?
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Friday, 12 January 2018 20:30 (six years ago) link
American is the best race ever iirc xp
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 12 January 2018 20:33 (six years ago) link
My depressing takeaway is that he probably could've saved his money and wound up exactly where he is today. Hell, if he'd bragged about it in a few debates he might've won the popular vote, as well, who knows.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Friday, 12 January 2018 20:36 (six years ago) link
Re: boinking a lady from a dirty movie.
Oh, well. Pioneer the 'IDGAF' school of political maneuvering sometimes means you aren't aware of the benefits you're able to reap until they've already passed you by. Now that he's blazed the trail, I look forward to future presidential hopefuls who openly make extramarital sex with porn stars part of their platform.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Friday, 12 January 2018 20:44 (six years ago) link
Thought the porn star stuff was old news? It's the payment that's new though.
― ♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 12 January 2018 20:46 (six years ago) link
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/celebrity/donald-trump-and-stormy-daniels-738920 (2016)
― ♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 12 January 2018 20:48 (six years ago) link
the part that surprises me is the WSJ running w/ it
― the late great, Friday, 12 January 2018 20:51 (six years ago) link
Apparently the true secret to success is to commit more salacious acts throughout the course of your life than any one human brain is capable of retaining. Like, Britannica needs to put out a multi-volume reference set so we can keep this shit straight.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Friday, 12 January 2018 20:54 (six years ago) link
look i'm sorry it just won't work, I'm pretty certain any salacious acts you commit no matter how numerous will be canceled out by the fact you probably want decent healthcare for all and less racism, you damned lefty.
― omar little, Friday, 12 January 2018 20:55 (six years ago) link
At a point, taking a blind stab at a depraved act he might've committed will likely yield positive results. Like, has he jerked off onto a random senior citizen? I don't have any way of proving it, but probably.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Friday, 12 January 2018 20:57 (six years ago) link
It's really scary that the CIA knows so much about us
https://pitchfork.com/news/moby-says-cia-agents-asked-him-to-spread-the-word-about-trump-and-russia/
― Evan, Friday, 12 January 2018 20:57 (six years ago) link
"I look forward to future presidential hopefuls who openly make extramarital sex with porn stars part of their platform."
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3b/Silvio_Berlusconi_1994.jpg/180px-Silvio_Berlusconi_1994.jpg
You rang?
― earlnash, Friday, 12 January 2018 21:01 (six years ago) link
To the first bar I walk by with a happy hour deal on "Dark and Stormy Daniels" pic.twitter.com/08TJ6XFkg9— Drew Conway (@drewconway) January 12, 2018
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 12 January 2018 21:02 (six years ago) link
The previous porn star accusation was from Jessica Drake. This is Stormy Daniels, who, of course, didn't say anything, because she was apparently paid off.
A lawyer for President Donald Trump arranged a $130,000 payment to a former adult-film star a month before the 2016 election as part of an agreement that precluded her from publicly discussing an alleged sexual encounter with Mr. Trump, according to people familiar with the matter.Michael Cohen, who spent nearly a decade as a top attorney at the Trump Organization, arranged payment to the woman, Stephanie Clifford, in October 2016 after her lawyer negotiated the nondisclosure agreement with Mr. Cohen, these people said.Ms. Clifford, whose stage name is Stormy Daniels, has privately alleged the encounter with Mr. Trump took place after they met at a July 2006 celebrity golf tournament in Lake Tahoe, these people said. Mr. Trump married Melania Trump in 2005.Mr. Trump faced other allegations during his campaign of inappropriate behavior with women, and vehemently denied them. In this matter, there is no allegation of a nonconsensual interaction.“These are old, recycled reports, which were published and strongly denied prior to the election,” a White House official said, responding to the allegation of a sexual encounter involving Mr. Trump and Ms. Clifford. The official declined to respond to questions about an agreement with Ms. Clifford. It isn’t known whether Mr. Trump was aware of any agreement or payment involving her.In a statement, Mr. Cohen didn’t address the $130,000 payment but said of the alleged sexual encounter that “President Trump once again vehemently denies any such occurrence as has Ms. Daniels.”Mr. Cohen added in the statement, addressed to The Wall Street Journal: “This is now the second time that you are raising outlandish allegations against my client. You have attempted to perpetuate this false narrative for over a year; a narrative that has been consistently denied by all parties since at least 2011.”The Journal previously reported that Ms. Clifford, 38 years old, had been in talks with ABC’s “Good Morning America” in the fall of 2016 about an appearance to discuss Mr. Trump, according to people familiar with the matter. In that article, the Journal reported the company that owns the National Enquirer agreed to pay $150,000 to a former Playboy centerfold model three months before the election for her story of an affair a decade earlier with the Republican presidential nominee, which the tabloid newspaper didn’t publish. The company said she was paid to write fitness columns and appear on magazine covers.Mr. Cohen also sent a two-paragraph statement by email addressed “TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN” and signed by “Stormy Daniels” denying that she had a “sexual and/or romantic affair” with Mr. Trump.“Rumors that I have received hush money from Donald Trump are completely false,” the statement said.Ms. Clifford didn’t respond to multiple emails seeking comment.After the agreement, Ms. Clifford’s camp complained the payment wasn’t being made quickly enough and threatened to cancel the deal, some of the people familiar with the matter said.The payment was made to Ms. Clifford through her lawyer in the matter, Keith Davidson, with funds sent to Mr. Davidson’s client-trust account at City National Bank in Los Angeles, according to the people.“I previously represented Ms. Daniels,” Mr. Davidson said, referring to Ms. Clifford’s stage name. “Attorney-client privilege prohibits me from commenting on my clients’ legal matters.”A spokeswoman for City National Bank declined to comment.The agreement with Ms. Clifford came as the Trump campaign confronted allegations from numerous women who described unwanted sexual advances and alleged assaults by Mr. Trump.In October 2016, the Washington Post published a videotape made, but never aired, by NBC’s “Access Hollywood” in which Mr. Trump spoke of groping women.Mr. Trump denied all allegations of inappropriate sexual conduct and apologized at the time for his remarks on the tape, calling them locker-room banter.Mr. Cohen worked at the Trump Organization from 2007 until after the election. As Mr. Trump took office, Mr. Cohen said he would work in private practice and act as Mr. Trump’s personal attorney. “I am the fix-it guy,” he said in an interview in January 2017 before Mr. Trump’s inauguration.Ms. Clifford has appeared in about 150 adult films, and was considered among the industry’s biggest stars when the then-27-year-old met Mr. Trump at the American Century Championship in 2006, held at Edgewood Tahoe golf course in Nevada.Another adult-film star, Jessica Drake, later alleged in an October 2016 news conference that Mr. Trump kissed her and two other women without permission in a hotel suite after the same 2006 golf event.“I did not sign [a nondisclosure agreement], nor have I received any money for coming forward,” Ms. Drake said this week in an emailed statement. “I spoke out because it was the right thing to do.”A White House official responded to questions about Ms. Drake by referring to a previous statement by the Trump campaign, which called her account “totally false and ridiculous.”
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 12 January 2018 21:12 (six years ago) link
He really is the worst person in the world.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 12 January 2018 21:15 (six years ago) link
Dammit, now I'm humming "Stormy Weather."
Ripe for Phrases that, when you see them, you inexplicably start singing them to the melody of something else (and then will forever be associated with that)
― mime kampf (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 12 January 2018 21:41 (six years ago) link
whenever i see the words "stormy weather" i always immediately think of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0OY_P7T9wY&feature=youtu.be&t=44
― Karl Malone, Friday, 12 January 2018 21:49 (six years ago) link
sorry, skip 44 seconds into https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0OY_P7T9wY
why don't more people egg Trump on legally? his own lawyers are all threats and bluster because they don't really want any of these things to come to court. Somebody should just say, you stupid asshole, I dare you to take me to court! like, totally troll him publicly and loudly. I am actually shocked there is any degree of decorum left. I am shocked more people are not going on TV and the radio and just saying 'This guy is the biggest asshole of all time. Fuck him.'
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 12 January 2018 22:17 (six years ago) link
Where did stormy Daniels get 130 grand from to give to trump's lawyer
― remember the lmao (darraghmac), Friday, 12 January 2018 22:21 (six years ago) link
Meanwhile, in Arizona:
http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/arizona-legislators-new-bill-attacks-socialists-people-under-40-10035217
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Friday, 12 January 2018 22:30 (six years ago) link
SPLC comprehensively refutes the White House response to the "shithole" statement with annotated comebacks, perhaps worth quoting in entirety.
Certain Washington politicians choose to fight for foreign countries, but President Trump will always fight for the American people. [1][1] The hundreds of thousands of immigrants who have been sheltered from deportation by Temporary Protect Status have built lives and paid taxes in the U.S. — some for decades — because of dangerous situations in their countries of origin. Many of those immigrants have children who are U.S. citizens.The President will only accept an immigration deal that adequately addresses the visa lottery system [2] and chain migration [3] — two programs that hurt our economy [4] and allow terrorists [5] into our country.[2] President Trump continues to erroneously disparage the visa lottery system, which allocates 50,000 visas to people from countries with low immigration rates. As CBS News has reported, "Interested and eligible applicants can only apply electronically – which often means long lines at Internet cafes in developing countries during the weeks-long entry period – and they are not, as Trump argues, 'the worst of the worst,' handpicked by their country's government."[3] Using the term "chain migration" is a scare tactic borrowed from anti-immigrant hate groups such as the Center for Immigration Studies. These groups back the concept through false data.[4] Immigrants help the economy.[5] Security experts say Trump's immigration policies are making the country more — not less — susceptible to terrorism.Like other nations that have merit-based [6] immigration, President Trump is fighting for permanent solutions that make our country stronger [7] by welcoming those who can contribute to our society [8], grow our economy [9] and assimilate into our great nation. [10][6] The "merit-based" system Trump has repeatedly endorsed represents a stealth attack on our immigration system that would begin to unravel the reforms of 52 years ago, when Congress discarded a racist quota system that discriminated against people who weren't white and northern European.[7] Study after study has shown that immigrant communities make our country stronger and safer.[8] The White House's bar for immigrants who "contribute" to U.S. society is absurdly high.[9] Immigrants of all education backgrounds and skill levels have historically contributed to this nation's economy.[10] Anti-immigrant figures have used fears about the ability to assimilate to stoke opposition to certain immigrant groups over others (for instance, Haiti over Norway) since the nation began.He will always reject temporary, weak and dangerous stopgap measures [11] that threaten the lives [12] of hardworking Americans, and undercut immigrants who seek a better life in the United States through a legal pathway. [13][11] Temporary Protected Status was created to protect people unable to return home safely due to conditions in their home country. Conditions in El Salvador, Haiti and Nicaragua — three countries that have lost TPS under the Trump administration so far — remain dangerous for many to return.[12] This comment repeats one of the Trump administration's false assertions for stricter immigration — that immigrants commit more crimes than people born in the United States. Several studies have concluded that this is not true.[13] There are legal pathways to come to the United States and to stay in the United States. Temporary Protected Status was, like Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, a legal way for immigrants to stay in the United States — and away from dangers that may be awaiting them in their country of origin. The future is uncertain even for those who have followed the strict guidelines of the U.S. government for staying in the U.S. DACA recipients, for example, do not currently have a path to obtain legal permanent resident status.
[1] The hundreds of thousands of immigrants who have been sheltered from deportation by Temporary Protect Status have built lives and paid taxes in the U.S. — some for decades — because of dangerous situations in their countries of origin. Many of those immigrants have children who are U.S. citizens.
The President will only accept an immigration deal that adequately addresses the visa lottery system [2] and chain migration [3] — two programs that hurt our economy [4] and allow terrorists [5] into our country.
[2] President Trump continues to erroneously disparage the visa lottery system, which allocates 50,000 visas to people from countries with low immigration rates. As CBS News has reported, "Interested and eligible applicants can only apply electronically – which often means long lines at Internet cafes in developing countries during the weeks-long entry period – and they are not, as Trump argues, 'the worst of the worst,' handpicked by their country's government."
[3] Using the term "chain migration" is a scare tactic borrowed from anti-immigrant hate groups such as the Center for Immigration Studies. These groups back the concept through false data.
[4] Immigrants help the economy.
[5] Security experts say Trump's immigration policies are making the country more — not less — susceptible to terrorism.
Like other nations that have merit-based [6] immigration, President Trump is fighting for permanent solutions that make our country stronger [7] by welcoming those who can contribute to our society [8], grow our economy [9] and assimilate into our great nation. [10]
[6] The "merit-based" system Trump has repeatedly endorsed represents a stealth attack on our immigration system that would begin to unravel the reforms of 52 years ago, when Congress discarded a racist quota system that discriminated against people who weren't white and northern European.
[7] Study after study has shown that immigrant communities make our country stronger and safer.
[8] The White House's bar for immigrants who "contribute" to U.S. society is absurdly high.
[9] Immigrants of all education backgrounds and skill levels have historically contributed to this nation's economy.
[10] Anti-immigrant figures have used fears about the ability to assimilate to stoke opposition to certain immigrant groups over others (for instance, Haiti over Norway) since the nation began.
He will always reject temporary, weak and dangerous stopgap measures [11] that threaten the lives [12] of hardworking Americans, and undercut immigrants who seek a better life in the United States through a legal pathway. [13]
[11] Temporary Protected Status was created to protect people unable to return home safely due to conditions in their home country. Conditions in El Salvador, Haiti and Nicaragua — three countries that have lost TPS under the Trump administration so far — remain dangerous for many to return.
[12] This comment repeats one of the Trump administration's false assertions for stricter immigration — that immigrants commit more crimes than people born in the United States. Several studies have concluded that this is not true.
[13] There are legal pathways to come to the United States and to stay in the United States. Temporary Protected Status was, like Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, a legal way for immigrants to stay in the United States — and away from dangers that may be awaiting them in their country of origin. The future is uncertain even for those who have followed the strict guidelines of the U.S. government for staying in the U.S. DACA recipients, for example, do not currently have a path to obtain legal permanent resident status.
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Friday, 12 January 2018 22:30 (six years ago) link
lol Durbin
In stark contrast to MLK, here's Richard Nixon discussing the difference between "Jewish spies" and "Negro spies". https://t.co/SrusiV353D— Adam H. Johnson (@adamjohnsonNYC) January 20, 2015
LBJ tapes are full of n-word/racist comments about African-Americans and Vietnamese too:https://t.co/qUx3je2IWj— Reed F. Richardson (@reedfrich) January 12, 2018
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 12 January 2018 22:40 (six years ago) link
The previous porn star accusation was from Jessica Drake. This is Stormy Daniels, who, of course, didn't say anything
The 2006 story LBI linked named Stormy or Stormy Daniels 7 times, Daniels once, and Clifford or Stephanie Clifford 43 times.
― Haribo Hancock (sic), Friday, 12 January 2018 22:56 (six years ago) link
has anyone pointed out yet that Trump's comments could accurately be described as "Churchillian"— slackbot (@pareene) January 12, 2018
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 12 January 2018 23:27 (six years ago) link
xpost Didn't see that article, I was thinking of during the election, not a decade ago. Stormy, for perhaps obvious reasons, has stayed mum about this. Drake has not.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 12 January 2018 23:28 (six years ago) link
The other day I was discussing with a Spanish colleague of mine the millstone around the neck of the British nation that is Winston Churchill, because every other week over here some wanker playing the patriotism card and waving a made-in-China Union Jack is described as Churchillian, it seems like we'll never be rid of the cunt. So if the USA wants Churchill they're welcome to the him, he was half American anyway.
― Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Saturday, 13 January 2018 00:01 (six years ago) link
The U.S. Supreme Court on Friday agreed to hear a bid by Texas to revive Republican-drawn electoral districts for state legislative and U.S. congressional seats that were thrown out by a lower court for diminishing black and Hispanic voters’ clout.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-texas/supreme-court-takes-up-fight-over-texas-electoral-districts-idUSKBN1F12IR
― sleeve, Saturday, 13 January 2018 00:26 (six years ago) link
meanwhile, the president is reportedly healthy.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 13 January 2018 00:29 (six years ago) link
Compared to whom
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Saturday, 13 January 2018 00:32 (six years ago) link
our democracy
― gbx, Saturday, 13 January 2018 00:41 (six years ago) link
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Saturday, 13 January 2018 00:43 (six years ago) link
(sob)
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Saturday, 13 January 2018 00:45 (six years ago) link
I'm now mental visualizing Trump as living in some A Scanner Darkly experience where Donald doesn't even know that "Donnie" keeps saying these crazy things. Why do people keep lying about him, Donald knows he would not say such things.
― earlnash, Saturday, 13 January 2018 01:34 (six years ago) link
As his comments, disclosed by participants in the meeting, ricocheted around the world, Trump made calls to friends and outside advisers to judge their reaction to the tempest, said a person who spoke to Trump but wasn’t authorized to discuss a private conversation.He wasn’t apologetic, the person said. Instead, Trump blamed the media for distorting his meaning, arguing his description of “shithole” was not racist but rather a straightforward assessment of some nations’ depressed conditions. Trump also said he believed he was expressing what many people think, according to the person.
He wasn’t apologetic, the person said. Instead, Trump blamed the media for distorting his meaning, arguing his description of “shithole” was not racist but rather a straightforward assessment of some nations’ depressed conditions. Trump also said he believed he was expressing what many people think, according to the person.
https://apnews.com/36bb1697fb70421caf7f4526b779f176
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 13 January 2018 01:37 (six years ago) link
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-_kGikfKlvzs/V74VHJBTnPI/AAAAAAABe4A/2kI_NLOH6HAcMoHxFwZCoNTqzhugH8qiwCLcB/s1600/Cartoon%2B-%2BNew%2BYorker.jpg
― sleeve, Saturday, 13 January 2018 01:43 (six years ago) link
arguing his description of “shithole” was not racist but rather a straightforward assessment of some nations’ depressed conditions.
In his own mind, Trump doesn't think he's prejudiced against black people, only against desperately poor black people.
― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 13 January 2018 01:53 (six years ago) link
Pence's Mother: "He's Vile".
Am I being less than ethical for hoping that this results in the collapse of evangelical hypocrisy, forever?
― Sanpaku, Saturday, 13 January 2018 02:03 (six years ago) link
i have never even considered the idea of a collapse of evangelical hypocrisy. i am entertaining the thought right now and it feels like groundbreaking sci-fi
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 13 January 2018 02:06 (six years ago) link
source re: Pence's mother?
― (the blues version in his Broadway show) (crüt), Saturday, 13 January 2018 02:07 (six years ago) link
is this his mother or "mother"
― (the blues version in his Broadway show) (crüt), Saturday, 13 January 2018 02:09 (six years ago) link
evangelical hypocrisy and evangelism are fraternal twins, born minutes apart.
― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 13 January 2018 02:10 (six years ago) link
reference: MIKE PENCE’S WIFE THINKS DONALD TRUMP IS ‘REPREHENSIBLE’ AND ‘TOTALLY VILE’
xp: I mean more in the sense that Trumpism and evangelicalism are cuffed to each other, at least for all Americans 50 and younger, and they both descend into the abyss, to be of no interest to new generations, permitting this country to have at least a couple hundred years to go.
Otherwise, evangelicals function much as fascists. Same end, just faster, and more destructive to those outside our borders.
― Sanpaku, Saturday, 13 January 2018 02:14 (six years ago) link
Oh, and for those not on simulcast, Mike Pence refers to his wife as 'mother'.
― Sanpaku, Saturday, 13 January 2018 02:15 (six years ago) link
I'm happy that adam johnson is here to point out that previous presidents have been racists, educating all us plebes who believed that Richard Nixon pooped rainbows
― porg and bess (voodoo chili), Saturday, 13 January 2018 02:23 (six years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTYLjVnXkAATays.jpg
― grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 13 January 2018 02:28 (six years ago) link
yeah well fuck Susan Collins
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 13 January 2018 02:31 (six years ago) link
this is the day that the lord has made
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 13 January 2018 02:39 (six years ago) link
adam johnson was educating dick durbin, u galoot
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 13 January 2018 02:47 (six years ago) link
Aw, so sad.
Grassley gets hammered at a town hall in rural Iowa - a county where Trump won 65% of the vote - for “protecting” Trump in Russia probe, among other things, per this report https://t.co/uuZVEyKCnz— Manu Raju (@mkraju) January 13, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 13 January 2018 02:51 (six years ago) link
grassley is very old fashioned in holding a town hall and putting up with his own constituents. this is an old article but if i had to guess the trend will continue: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/lawmakers-holding-fewer-town-halls-during-summer-break-n790986
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 13 January 2018 02:57 (six years ago) link
man this summer's gonna be fun
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 13 January 2018 04:08 (six years ago) link
This article or rather this bit is Soto-bait
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/12/john-kelly-trump-chief-of-staff-337987
But Kelly’s mind-set, reported by POLITICO for the first time, is a testament to how Trump has transformed not only the presidency but the role of presidential chief of staff. Often described as the second most-powerful position in government, the job has previously demanded a deep understanding of politics and policy. Presidential number twos have worked to ration their bosses’ time and to help them prioritize in order to push their agendas forward; Kelly more often tries to keep Trump occupied and at arm’s length from the levers of power and the workings of government.His attitude is not entirely unprecedented. Ronald Reagan’s adviser, Jack Watson, referred to the chief of staff as the “javelin catcher”—though in his analogy, the javelins were heading toward, rather than coming from, the president. At the same time, some are raising concerns that Kelly, whose military background gives him a discrete Washington tool kit, is trying to do too much.
His attitude is not entirely unprecedented. Ronald Reagan’s adviser, Jack Watson, referred to the chief of staff as the “javelin catcher”—though in his analogy, the javelins were heading toward, rather than coming from, the president. At the same time, some are raising concerns that Kelly, whose military background gives him a discrete Washington tool kit, is trying to do too much.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 13 January 2018 05:47 (six years ago) link
And BTW, would love to know more about this
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/12/teresa-manning-hhs-title-x-escorted-premises-339514
Teresa Manning, the controversial official in charge of the Title X federal family planning program, was escorted from HHS premises on Friday.Two sources with knowledge of Manning's departure tell POLITICO that she was fired by HHS. An HHS spokesperson disputed that account, saying that Manning resigned.
Two sources with knowledge of Manning's departure tell POLITICO that she was fired by HHS. An HHS spokesperson disputed that account, saying that Manning resigned.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 13 January 2018 05:50 (six years ago) link
Presidential number twos
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 13 January 2018 09:28 (six years ago) link
The Biggest, Best Number Twos, Believe Me
― Never Learn To Mike Love (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 13 January 2018 10:11 (six years ago) link
ronny jackson md? ronnie jackson md? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
― reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 13 January 2018 15:51 (six years ago) link
All it lacked was a quote from Grand Moff Baker.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 13 January 2018 15:52 (six years ago) link
The Democrats are all talk and no action. They are doing nothing to fix DACA. Great opportunity missed. Too bad!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 13, 2018
AMERICA FIRST!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 13, 2018
I don’t believe the Democrats really want to see a deal on DACA. They are all talk and no action. This is the time but, day by day, they are blowing the one great opportunity they have. Too bad!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 13, 2018
― Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 13 January 2018 15:55 (six years ago) link
wow he’s really putting the pressure on
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 13 January 2018 16:03 (six years ago) link
he is very energetic, exceptionally healthy, the best athlete
― reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 13 January 2018 16:04 (six years ago) link
times like this i completely understand the desire many have to force him into a real interview, with someone asking real followups, and pointing out holes in the narrative. not because i believe he would crack and his presidency would end, just that it's soooo fucking frustrating that he can just nakedly lie, all the time, about every single thing, spin a totally different history of things that happened in public view mere days or weeks ago. the DACA crisis is trump's doing! and there was a bipartisan deal on the table the day before yesterday, and he killed it! i mean this is on the level of saying hillary started the birther movement and trump ended it. things that are actually outright the opposite of what happened, and everyone knows this. i know i know, not news. just some days it flattens me more than others.
― Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 13 January 2018 16:04 (six years ago) link
Possibly some sort of interview could be arranged, perhaps Hannity would do it, or maybe someone on the 700 club is free
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 13 January 2018 16:06 (six years ago) link
They've been wanting to trap the Dems on DACA for a while now, and in all honesty it could work. Those few conservatives I follow on twitter have really torn into it as well. All Trump had to do was explain that Dems weren't willing to include 'sensible' border control in a BiPartisan deal. Instead he yelled 'shithole' like the toddler he is. No disrespect to toddlers.
― Frederik B, Saturday, 13 January 2018 16:24 (six years ago) link
it has less credibility when the stuff in the deal (which is still xenophobic security-state nonsense obv) was apparently good enough for the congressional republicans in the room. not to say the propaganda won't work but it would be a more coherent effort if they could all get on the same page.
― Newb Sybok (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 13 January 2018 16:40 (six years ago) link
Yup
― Frederik B, Saturday, 13 January 2018 16:43 (six years ago) link
"was apparently good enough for the congressional republicans in the room" I thought the issue was Cotton though, who just fucking showed up at this meeting out of the blue and probably tanked it before Flake and Durbin came in the door
― akm, Saturday, 13 January 2018 16:59 (six years ago) link
i would happily take the jail time for the opportunity to physically assault Tom "Cotton"
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Saturday, 13 January 2018 17:10 (six years ago) link
I thought the scuttlebutt was that Stephen Miller kept adding aggressive language to proposals that screwed everything up.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 13 January 2018 17:23 (six years ago) link
graham, sorry, not flake.
― akm, Saturday, 13 January 2018 17:25 (six years ago) link
http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/12/politics/immigration-meeting-donald-trump/index.html
"When Cotton arrived at the West Wing reception area Thursday, he found Durbin and Sen. Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican, waiting to brief Trump on their bipartisan immigration negotiations. He also found fellow immigration hardliner GOP Sen. David Perdue of Georgia, who was also called by Trump's aides to brief the President.
Durbin and Graham arrived at the White House believing they would be meeting privately with Trump, a source familiar with the situation said, and were surprised to see the others.
Once the meeting got underway, it was clear Trump wasn't in the mood to entertain the plan being offered by Durbin and Graham, which would have increased border security funding, allowed for a 10- to 12-year path to citizenship for some young undocumented immigrants and provided protections for individuals with Temporary Protected Status from countries such as El Salvador and Haiti."
dunno, miller or someone got to trump after he said he'd be willing to sign whatever they put in front of him the day before.
― akm, Saturday, 13 January 2018 17:26 (six years ago) link
yeah seems clear that one of the eight or nine rival shadow presidents saw an opening to torpedo the entire business, on the "whoever he's spoken to most recently" principle. get the hard-liners in the room and he'll forget all about his desire to be a big beautiful deal-maker.
― Righteous wax chaperone, rotating Wingdings (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 13 January 2018 17:32 (six years ago) link
beat the press:http://cepr.net/blogs/beat-the-press/
Walmart Closes 63 Stores In Response to Republican Tax CutActually, we don't know the extent to which the tax cut was a factor in Walmart's decision to close 63 stores, as it announced it was doing yesterday. Nor do we know the extent to which the tax cut was responsible for the increases in wages and benefits that the company also announced yesterday, although the company did claim a direct relationship in this case. Walmart's competitors, like Target, had been raising wages months before the tax bill was even public, so it is entirely possible that Walmart would have been forced to raise pay due to a tighter labor market, even if there had not been a tax cut.It is worth noting that by Walmart's own estimate the pay increases will only cost it $300 million a year. This is roughly 15 percent of the $2 billion a year that it should save from the tax cut. This is in line with most economists estimates of the share of the tax cuts that would go to wages. By contrast, the administration had claimed that the wages would rise by more than the full amount of the tax cuts, although this impact would only be seen after a number of years as increased investment led to higher productivity.
Actually, we don't know the extent to which the tax cut was a factor in Walmart's decision to close 63 stores, as it announced it was doing yesterday. Nor do we know the extent to which the tax cut was responsible for the increases in wages and benefits that the company also announced yesterday, although the company did claim a direct relationship in this case. Walmart's competitors, like Target, had been raising wages months before the tax bill was even public, so it is entirely possible that Walmart would have been forced to raise pay due to a tighter labor market, even if there had not been a tax cut.
It is worth noting that by Walmart's own estimate the pay increases will only cost it $300 million a year. This is roughly 15 percent of the $2 billion a year that it should save from the tax cut. This is in line with most economists estimates of the share of the tax cuts that would go to wages. By contrast, the administration had claimed that the wages would rise by more than the full amount of the tax cuts, although this impact would only be seen after a number of years as increased investment led to higher productivity.
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 13 January 2018 17:52 (six years ago) link
Pareene: https://splinternews.com/democrats-condemned-trumps-language-and-signed-on-to-hi-1822040155
...Democratic leadership has completely conceded, rhetorically and politically, that this is now the “middle ground.” The fact that hardliners would prefer an even more extreme policy is all the justification they need. Seriously, this is their rationale (from The Politico):Key Democrats are sympathetic to the furor from their left flank but aware something needs to pass Congress that can win Trump’s signature. Senate negotiators believe their emerging agreement — which they say they’re getting close to finalizing — will lose votes from the right and left, representing true concessions from both parties.“Both Tom Cotton and the Congressional Black Caucus will oppose our deal, so it is, by definition, bipartisan.” This is how a far-right policy becomes centrist, in less than a year. And this is how Democrats are negotiating with a historically unpopular president, in a midterm election year, on an issue on which they held an immense amount of leverage just a month ago.
Key Democrats are sympathetic to the furor from their left flank but aware something needs to pass Congress that can win Trump’s signature. Senate negotiators believe their emerging agreement — which they say they’re getting close to finalizing — will lose votes from the right and left, representing true concessions from both parties.
“Both Tom Cotton and the Congressional Black Caucus will oppose our deal, so it is, by definition, bipartisan.” This is how a far-right policy becomes centrist, in less than a year. And this is how Democrats are negotiating with a historically unpopular president, in a midterm election year, on an issue on which they held an immense amount of leverage just a month ago.
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Saturday, 13 January 2018 20:47 (six years ago) link
chelsea for president, obv
🚨 Per FEC filings, @xychelsea is running against Ben Cardin for Maryland Senate this year. https://t.co/MrQIs0Znzr pic.twitter.com/8Gw7vtVtc2— David Pontious (@DavidPontious) January 13, 2018
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 13 January 2018 20:49 (six years ago) link
YES
― Men's Scarehouse - "You're gonna like the way you're shook." (m bison), Saturday, 13 January 2018 20:50 (six years ago) link
was just gonna post that!
also, so this false alarm missile warning...
― sleeve, Saturday, 13 January 2018 21:15 (six years ago) link
just a very normal all-caps text alert warning the people of hawaii of an incoming ballistic missile attack, nothing to see here
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 13 January 2018 21:25 (six years ago) link
i have to admit i'm curious about how many people who saw the Hawaii alert actually heeded the warning to take shelter. there must not be too many opportunities to see how people respond when they're told by authorities that an incoming missile is real and not a drill.
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 13 January 2018 22:17 (six years ago) link
my question would be where the fuck do u expect me to take shelter
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 13 January 2018 22:26 (six years ago) link
*shriek*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X-x5KtE9mg
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 13 January 2018 22:31 (six years ago) link
xpost In a volcano, obviously.
1) You know if Manning won the GOP would make a big deal and refuse to seat her.
2)
And this is how Democrats are negotiating with a historically unpopular president, in a midterm election year, on an issue on which they held an immense amount of leverage just a month ago.
Dems I suspect are kind of screwed here thanks to asshole's scuttling. He basically has backed them into a corner and forced them to compromise for something much shittier or force a shutdown. And the Dems know that is a huge gamble that can go either way, even if it's hung around their necks. And I do I keep hearing them say, oh, the GOP is the party in power, any shutdown would be their fault. But um no, if the GOP remains unified in favor of an unpalatable hardline bill and the Dems don't go for it, it's would be the Dem's fault.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 13 January 2018 22:35 (six years ago) link
regardless of who is perceived for causing the shutdown, i'm not as confident as i was even a couple years ago that the american public really cares that much about the entire issue. left-leaning voters surely care about it much more than right-leaning people. to the degree that my cynical last breaths are true, that's an advantage for republicans in this negotiation.
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 13 January 2018 22:42 (six years ago) link
republicans control the entire government. whatever 'bad things' happen are their fault. even johnny and brenda redneck get that
― reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 13 January 2018 22:49 (six years ago) link
i mean do they tho
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 13 January 2018 22:53 (six years ago) link
they don't because no one is called that
― Men's Scarehouse - "You're gonna like the way you're shook." (m bison), Saturday, 13 January 2018 23:08 (six years ago) link
jo and joe sixpack
― reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 13 January 2018 23:12 (six years ago) link
If everyone in the GOP votes for something but they don't get the 5 or whatever Democratic votes they need, that is not the GOPs fault. Dems might be right, but how is that not obstructionism? I mean, I'm cool with a shutdown, but I don't think the Dems will win the messaging game.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 13 January 2018 23:22 (six years ago) link
if the republicans hold all the cards, they can compromise enough to get votes. if not, that's not the dems' fault
― reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 13 January 2018 23:25 (six years ago) link
If they have to compromise, then they clearly don't hold all the cards, though...
― Frederik B, Saturday, 13 January 2018 23:29 (six years ago) link
"we don't have enough of a monopoly on power" / republicans shut down the government how many times under obama and they still can't take responsibility for jack shit
― reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 13 January 2018 23:30 (six years ago) link
i really am not buying the "someone hit the wrong button" explanation. like I feel like if it was that simple to fuck up this would happen more often.
not that I Think there really was a missile that somehow got diverted, just...weird explanation
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Saturday, 13 January 2018 23:34 (six years ago) link
Maxine Waters, John Lewis, and Earl Blumenauer, are all boycotting the SOTU
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/democratic-lawmakers-boycotting-trump-state-of-the-union
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 14 January 2018 00:05 (six years ago) link
their loss, they are going to miss the moment when he becomes presidential.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 14 January 2018 00:07 (six years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTXUgpoXkAUQfwD.jpg:large
― The times they are a changing, perhaps (map), Sunday, 14 January 2018 01:21 (six years ago) link
Our fearless media
@realDonaldTrump last week I told you on phone that I love you like a brother. In that spirit I ask you to apologize for your unfortunate remarks. I’m in hospital getting back surgery My skilled compassionate nurse is from #Kenya She told me how you’d hurt her family’s feelings.— Geraldo Rivera (@GeraldoRivera) January 13, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 14 January 2018 01:33 (six years ago) link
and so trump vowed to maintain his silence and to never, ever apologize - until geraldo rivera stepped forward and made a heroic request.
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 14 January 2018 01:50 (six years ago) link
p4reene piece makes it clear that Clintonism is still steering the Dem ship
fuck this shithole country
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 14 January 2018 01:51 (six years ago) link
my fucking Cub Scout troop could've out-negotiated the congressional Dem leaders
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 14 January 2018 01:53 (six years ago) link
Why the hell is Manning running against Cardin?
― how's life, Sunday, 14 January 2018 02:17 (six years ago) link
I'm not sure. She won't win, but maybe she's just trying elevate a message.
― akm, Sunday, 14 January 2018 02:20 (six years ago) link
Like, Cardin's a decent Senator. I've got no complaints. Go somewhere else and pull that shit.
― how's life, Sunday, 14 January 2018 02:24 (six years ago) link
Utah?
'decent' senators can defend their records, then
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 14 January 2018 02:27 (six years ago) link
Move, bitch
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 14 January 2018 02:37 (six years ago) link
Lol. Damn.
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Sunday, 14 January 2018 02:41 (six years ago) link
the enemy of the Security State IS my friend
blow everybody's cover everywhere (ie, die, bitches)
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 14 January 2018 02:55 (six years ago) link
hm
― treeship 2, Sunday, 14 January 2018 02:55 (six years ago) link
Morbs, did you watch I, Tonya or something tonight?
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 14 January 2018 03:47 (six years ago) link
four silent comedy shorts
i've had it with El Spooko's bullshit
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 14 January 2018 03:51 (six years ago) link
is this about Chelsea Manning?
Her beyond awful experiences may or may not make her a good candidate.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 14 January 2018 03:53 (six years ago) link
She’s not a candidate, she’s a symbol. Glad I don’t live in whatever district she’s running in; that’s gonna be one seriously insufferable campaign. (Yes, I’ll recant if she turns out to be Danica Roem II.)
― grawlix (unperson), Sunday, 14 January 2018 04:27 (six years ago) link
she's filed for the senate race in MD
― Men's Scarehouse - "You're gonna like the way you're shook." (m bison), Sunday, 14 January 2018 04:29 (six years ago) link
Then I know she’s not serious, and I’m all done caring. If she was running for the House I could be convinced she actually wanted to win. But a Senate run is just a grift. She’s no different than Joe Arpaio as far as I’m concerned, just milking a different bunch of suckers.
― grawlix (unperson), Sunday, 14 January 2018 04:33 (six years ago) link
so many FPs, so little time
― sleeve, Sunday, 14 January 2018 04:35 (six years ago) link
She’s no different than Joe Arpaio as far as I’m concerned
http://i11.tinypic.com/53ucxtl.gif
― (the blues version in his Broadway show) (crüt), Sunday, 14 January 2018 04:39 (six years ago) link
must not be v concerned
― difficult listening hour, Sunday, 14 January 2018 04:42 (six years ago) link
My sappy post from earlier made tweeted flesh:
1. I’ve never tweeted before but today felt like a good day to start.— Gary Lee (@whoisgarylee) January 13, 2018
― Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 14 January 2018 08:54 (six years ago) link
Also Ronnie Jackson
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/trump-stock-market-won-happy-health-exam-bad-article-1.3751772
vs Woody Johnson
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-london-british-embassy-robert-woody-johnson-battersea-a8157376.html
― Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 14 January 2018 08:58 (six years ago) link
woody... johnson?
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 14 January 2018 09:40 (six years ago) link
that Gary Lee thing was sweet
― Nhex, Sunday, 14 January 2018 09:43 (six years ago) link
The one upside to Chelsea Manning running for office is that it really drives all the transphobic asshats out into the open.“Inny or outty no inbetweeny,” said the person using the photo of a murder victim to further their political agenda as their profile pic. pic.twitter.com/KPjQKUiJdF— Parker Molloy (@ParkerMolloy) January 14, 2018
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Sunday, 14 January 2018 11:17 (six years ago) link
hmmmm, a symbol, you mean like the neoliberal cop Letterman just interviewed
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 14 January 2018 13:36 (six years ago) link
This guy?
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/_cJ2yAvNHFE/movieposter.jpg
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 14 January 2018 14:51 (six years ago) link
with that belt buckle no wonder Clooney's breathless
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 14 January 2018 15:01 (six years ago) link
― reggie (qualmsley)
wishful thinking sir
― Arnold Schoenberg Steals (rushomancy), Sunday, 14 January 2018 15:11 (six years ago) link
Yeah, I still don't get that. If the GOP has a bill they want passed to keep the government open, and they need a few Dem votes, and the Dems refuse to sign on to it in the necessary numbers, then that's totally on the Dems. They just need to own it and be righteous about it to win the message war, like they did with taxes (to some extent), where the GOP got a win that was also a potential loss. Some Dem needs to come right out and say the bill is a piece of shit, we were almost there until these assholes fucked it up, and until they get their shit together we refuse to play ball. They need to stress again and again (if a shutdown looms or hits) that the GOP is being derelict and irresponsible and that as soon as they step up and work together the Dems will move forward with them (whether or not they actually do).
Was thinking about Oprah this morning, and how awesome it would be if instead of focusing on president she instead launched a huge registration and GOTV effort, backed by her money, public appearances, personality push. If she can help further mobilize women and people of color - to register, to vote, to run for office - the country would be better off. And she could still run, if she wanted to.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 14 January 2018 15:27 (six years ago) link
republicans need democratic votes because of the idiotic 2011 sequester. trump can lower his defense spending request and meet the budget cap. that's not on the democrats
― reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 14 January 2018 16:28 (six years ago) link
Well, sure. And the GOP could adopt every tenet of the Dem platform and get every single Dem vote. The party in power tries to set the agenda, it's up to the minority party to decide if they want to go along or not.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 14 January 2018 16:47 (six years ago) link
Refresh my memory, but did the Republicans pay a political price for forcing a government shutdown in 2013? No, right?
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 14 January 2018 16:50 (six years ago) link
nope
― reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 14 January 2018 16:52 (six years ago) link
just last month the GOP rammed through a $1,000,000,000,000,000+ tax cut for their donors (popular with 25% of the general public) and are now they're whining that they can't pass a budget without democratic cooperation. fuck them. shut er down
― reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 14 January 2018 16:55 (six years ago) link
That's what I say! And the Dems should take proud credit for highlighting GOP incompetence and malfeasance.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 14 January 2018 17:08 (six years ago) link
just played WSOP online with a dude named "Trump". he accumulated a fortune by chance early on, spent most of the match trying to protect that fortune, then he ran away when it got hard.
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Sunday, 14 January 2018 17:17 (six years ago) link
DACA is probably dead because the Democrats don’t really want it, they just want to talk and take desperately needed money away from our Military.— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 14, 2018
god i hate this fucker
― Righteous wax chaperone, rotating Wingdings (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 14 January 2018 17:34 (six years ago) link
you could always leave the corporate income tax rate alone and fund the military to your heart's content, baldy
― reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 14 January 2018 17:42 (six years ago) link
does anyone really believe we are at risk because we don't spend enough $$ on the military jeesh
― tobo73, Sunday, 14 January 2018 17:48 (six years ago) link
tens of millions of gaslit "conservatives"
― reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 14 January 2018 17:50 (six years ago) link
$1,000,000,000,000,000+ tax cut
point taken. but you lost count of your zeroes. quite understandably.
― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 14 January 2018 17:57 (six years ago) link
just last month the GOP rammed through a $1,000,000,000,000,000+ tax cut for their donors (popular with 25% of the general public) and are now they're whining that they can't pass a budget without democratic cooperation.
don't forget that the tax bill required only 50 votes in the senate (via "budget reconcilation" process, whereas the federal budget vote requires 60. they did not need democratic cooperation to pass the tax bill. they do need democratic cooperation to pass a budget.
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 14 January 2018 18:01 (six years ago) link
dems should say: "raise the upper bracket income tax to eisenhower levels and we won't need to filibuster your bullshit budget"
we're pretty much fucked anyways if we don't arrest this slide toward feudalism
― reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 14 January 2018 18:12 (six years ago) link
humans have had a good run, time to give the earth back to more mystical creatures like centaurs and manticores
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Sunday, 14 January 2018 18:14 (six years ago) link
the overton window ain't gonna move itself
― reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 14 January 2018 18:16 (six years ago) link
― Karl Malone
in a sense, they did need democratic cooperation to pass the bill through budget reconciliation because they were just copying a move the democrats came up with to pass the aca! it was clever when the democrats did it. the republicans are too stupid to come up with anything like that on their own.
― Arnold Schoenberg Steals (rushomancy), Sunday, 14 January 2018 18:27 (six years ago) link
this is what happens when your political party crowdsources their opinions: https://www.yahoo.com/news/georgia-senator-now-says-trump-not-use-word-160807678.html
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Sunday, 14 January 2018 19:03 (six years ago) link
several days later, GOP shitheel perdue is pulling the old "no YOU'RE the liar, no backsies" routine on shitholegate
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/14/us/politics/david-perdue-trump-shithole.html
WASHINGTON — A Republican senator who attended a Thursday immigration meeting at the White House forcefully denied on Sunday that President Trump had used the phrase “shithole countries” in describing Haiti and African nations, saying a Democratic senator’s account of the session was “a gross misrepresentation.”Senator David Perdue, Republican of Georgia, said on ABC’s “This Week” that Mr. Trump “did not use that word,” and accused Senator Richard J. Durbin, Democrat of Illinois, of distorting what the president had said at the meeting, which included more than a half-dozen lawmakers.Senator Tom Cotton, an Arkansas Republican, joined Mr. Perdue later in the morning in questioning Mr. Durbin.“I didn’t hear that word either,” he said on CBS’s “Face the Nation.” “And I was sitting no further away from Donald Trump than Dick Durbin was.”Mr. Cotton said Mr. Durbin “has a history of misrepresenting what happens in White House meetings,” a comment that Mr. Perdue echoed in his interview Sunday morning.Ben Marter, a spokesman for Mr. Durbin, immediately attacked their assertions.“Credibility is something that’s built by being consistently honest over time,” Mr. Marter wrote on Twitter. “Senator Durbin has it. Senator Perdue does not. Ask anyone who’s dealt with both.”
Senator David Perdue, Republican of Georgia, said on ABC’s “This Week” that Mr. Trump “did not use that word,” and accused Senator Richard J. Durbin, Democrat of Illinois, of distorting what the president had said at the meeting, which included more than a half-dozen lawmakers.
Senator Tom Cotton, an Arkansas Republican, joined Mr. Perdue later in the morning in questioning Mr. Durbin.
“I didn’t hear that word either,” he said on CBS’s “Face the Nation.” “And I was sitting no further away from Donald Trump than Dick Durbin was.”
Mr. Cotton said Mr. Durbin “has a history of misrepresenting what happens in White House meetings,” a comment that Mr. Perdue echoed in his interview Sunday morning.
Ben Marter, a spokesman for Mr. Durbin, immediately attacked their assertions.
“Credibility is something that’s built by being consistently honest over time,” Mr. Marter wrote on Twitter. “Senator Durbin has it. Senator Perdue does not. Ask anyone who’s dealt with both.”
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Sunday, 14 January 2018 19:03 (six years ago) link
whoops, same time
there is no worse human being on the planet than a GOP Senator. well, ok....other than a GOP Speaker of the House
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Sunday, 14 January 2018 19:06 (six years ago) link
god, i fucking knew this would happen. i knew they'd just deny that it happened. it doesn't matter that durbin said it happened, that graham said the washPo's account was basically accurate, and that the WH didn't deny that the words were spoken. now there are multiple people in the room who say that it didn't, and that is more than enough for the right wing to support a revised alternate universe where the liberal media and democrats are lying.
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 14 January 2018 19:16 (six years ago) link
i expected it from the get-go. just came later than I thought it would.
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Sunday, 14 January 2018 19:19 (six years ago) link
After firing an aid for not focusing on taking down Hillary, Trey Gowdy was sued for 50,000. Gowdy paid him off with taxpayer funds.Now, Gowdy is resigning from the House Ethics Committee.https://t.co/FA7kcbh1kx— Victor Stoddard (@VicStoddard) January 13, 2018
― hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Sunday, 14 January 2018 19:22 (six years ago) link
for whom does the ben ghazi, it ghazi's for thee
― hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Sunday, 14 January 2018 19:27 (six years ago) link
I fucking hate David Perdue
― (the blues version in his Broadway show) (crüt), Sunday, 14 January 2018 20:38 (six years ago) link
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/jeff-flake-meeting-attendees-told-me-trump-said-shthole-before-those-words-went-public/
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Sunday, 14 January 2018 21:28 (six years ago) link
breaking: flake slams trump’s shithole
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 14 January 2018 21:50 (six years ago) link
jeff bootyflake
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Sunday, 14 January 2018 21:54 (six years ago) link
ongoing great conversationshttps://www.mediaite.com/tv/rick-wilson-shreds-john-fredericks-in-vicious-cnn-shthole-debate-i-will-gut-you-like-a-fish/
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Sunday, 14 January 2018 22:33 (six years ago) link
“No, John. You don’t appreciate it,” Wilson interjected. “You’re a weak, impotent person who can’t handle the fact that there are people who don’t look like you, who want to come to this country because our system is awesome.rick wilson earlier today:http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/vulture/2015/01/13/13-everything-is-awesom.w529.h352.jpg
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 14 January 2018 22:46 (six years ago) link
I will gut you like a fish!
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 14 January 2018 23:21 (six years ago) link
https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/new-alarm-among-republicans-that-democrats-could-win-big-this-year/2018/01/13/9be31acc-f8a8-11e7-beb6-c8d48830c54d_story.html
A raft of retirements, difficulty recruiting candidates and President Trump’s continuing pattern of throwing his party off message have prompted new alarm among Republicans that they could be facing a Democratic electoral wave in November.The concern has grown so acute that Trump received what one congressional aide described as a “sobering” slide presentation about the difficult midterm landscape at Camp David last weekend, leading the president to pledge a robust schedule of fundraising and campaign travel in the coming months, White House officials said.But the trends have continued, and perhaps worsened, since that briefing, with two more prominent Republican House members announcing plans to retire from vulnerable seats and a would-be recruit begging off a Senate challenge to Democrat Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota despite pressure from Trump to run.
The concern has grown so acute that Trump received what one congressional aide described as a “sobering” slide presentation about the difficult midterm landscape at Camp David last weekend, leading the president to pledge a robust schedule of fundraising and campaign travel in the coming months, White House officials said.
But the trends have continued, and perhaps worsened, since that briefing, with two more prominent Republican House members announcing plans to retire from vulnerable seats and a would-be recruit begging off a Senate challenge to Democrat Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota despite pressure from Trump to run.
etc.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 14 January 2018 23:26 (six years ago) link
"He was concerned primarily with reminding everyone in Rome how strong, handsome, and literally God-like he was, spending his time commissioning hundreds of statues of himself as Hercules while neglecting important matters of state ... Commodus' gullible nature and lack of interest in imperial duties meant that any number of sneaky intrigues and political conflicts began to fester."
"His great simplicity, however, together with his cowardice, made him the slave of his companions, and it was through them that he at first, out of ignorance, missed the better life and then was led on into lustful and cruel habits, which soon became second nature."
― reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 14 January 2018 23:34 (six years ago) link
“in a sense, they did need democratic cooperation to pass the bill through budget reconciliation because they were just copying a move the democrats came up with to pass the aca! ”
Bush’s tax cuts were passed using reconciliation.
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Sunday, 14 January 2018 23:35 (six years ago) link
stop using cracked.com as a historical primary source
― Arnold Schoenberg Steals (rushomancy), Monday, 15 January 2018 01:51 (six years ago) link
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries)
thanks for the correction!
― Arnold Schoenberg Steals (rushomancy), Monday, 15 January 2018 01:52 (six years ago) link
White House official told me tonight there is debate internally on whether Trump said "shithole" or "shithouse." Perdue and Cotton seem to have heard latter, this person said, and are using to deny.— Josh Dawsey (@jdawsey1) January 15, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 15 January 2018 02:02 (six years ago) link
A shithouse is just a technologically advanced shithole tho
― The Bridge of Ban Louis J (silby), Monday, 15 January 2018 02:03 (six years ago) link
was just about to post that
regardless of hole or house, if perdue and cotton's actually believe it was 'shithouse' and then made a statement along the lines of "he didn't say 'shithole'" without mentioning that they think he said 'shithouse', i...
this is the dumbest fucking thing in the entire universe, just gotta throw that in there
― Karl Malone, Monday, 15 January 2018 02:05 (six years ago) link
As long as the GOP makes it a debate about which profanity the president used, the overt and unquestionable racism informing its usage is obscured.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Monday, 15 January 2018 02:10 (six years ago) link
i feel like all of us are part of a larger organ that is being slammed against a brick wall over and over again.
PALM BEACH, Fla. — President Trump declared on Sunday night that he was “not a racist” and insisted that the derogatory comment attributed to him during an Oval Office meeting on immigration last week did not occur.“I’m not a racist. I’m the least racist person you will ever interview, that I can tell you,” Mr. Trump said as he arrived at Trump International Golf Club for dinner with Representative Kevin McCarthy of California, the majority leader.
“I’m not a racist. I’m the least racist person you will ever interview, that I can tell you,” Mr. Trump said as he arrived at Trump International Golf Club for dinner with Representative Kevin McCarthy of California, the majority leader.
he is like a fucking tape loop.
― Karl Malone, Monday, 15 January 2018 02:26 (six years ago) link
― Karl Malone, Thursday, January 11, 2018 6:36 PM (three days ago)
you can just impersonate the dumb things that the thinks and says, and then, he'll just say them almost verbatim. he has like 25 things that he says, over and over.
― Karl Malone, Monday, 15 January 2018 02:28 (six years ago) link
gotta admit though, i'm having trouble thinking of anyone who is less of a racist than donald trump
― Karl Malone, Monday, 15 January 2018 02:30 (six years ago) link
there's an old burlesque routine about 'the Shithouse Quartet' that i will not have sullied by this ongoing shitstorm.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 15 January 2018 02:44 (six years ago) link
― reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, January 14, 2018 6:16 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Amen
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 15 January 2018 03:13 (six years ago) link
https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/01/the-curse-of-bipartisanship
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Monday, 15 January 2018 07:24 (six years ago) link
bipartisanship exists because without it america isn't governable as a democracy.
unfortunately at this point america isn't governable as a democracy with or without bipartisanship.
― Arnold Schoenberg Steals (rushomancy), Monday, 15 January 2018 14:53 (six years ago) link
People who used to say there could never be a liberal Infowars clearly didn’t see the 2016 election coming https://t.co/Dq6a9UJChU— derek davison (@dwdavison9318) January 15, 2018
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 15 January 2018 16:15 (six years ago) link
lmao the Chelsea Manning campaign for senate - assuming it goes forward - is gonna expose a lot more very bad opinions
― Simon H., Monday, 15 January 2018 16:19 (six years ago) link
DRAIN THE SWAMP
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 15 January 2018 16:19 (six years ago) link
How dare anyone object to rubber-stamping of RussiaRussiaRussia incumbents
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 15 January 2018 16:21 (six years ago) link
at this point it might be easier just to enumerate the very few things in american public life which aren't sinister russian plots
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 15 January 2018 16:23 (six years ago) link
ice cream
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Monday, 15 January 2018 16:24 (six years ago) link
ice cream is cold
russia is often cold
try again u obvious putin stooge
― pee-wee and the power men (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 15 January 2018 16:26 (six years ago) link
ice cream is for Kremlinologists.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 January 2018 16:26 (six years ago) link
ice cream -- 2 scoops for me, 1 for you
― reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 15 January 2018 16:32 (six years ago) link
it's a rocky road
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Monday, 15 January 2018 16:32 (six years ago) link
"Ice cream, Mandrake? Children's ice cream?"
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 15 January 2018 16:39 (six years ago) link
(can't believe you guys forgot that)
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 15 January 2018 16:40 (six years ago) link
"How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works."
― reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 15 January 2018 16:42 (six years ago) link
Clearly the more apt comparison to Infowars are the Wikileaks/Intercept conspiracy axis. That mail-job was textbook conservative hysteria.
― Frederik B, Monday, 15 January 2018 16:44 (six years ago) link
The Intercept? Are they so far gone?
― Nhex, Monday, 15 January 2018 16:47 (six years ago) link
Not yet, but they're better proof of the lefts conspiracy-ness than some nobody from Montana.
― Frederik B, Monday, 15 January 2018 16:48 (six years ago) link
The nerve of some folks:
On MLK day, I like to read his Letter From Birmingham Jail, which still resonates: “Let us all hope that the dark clouds of racial prejudice will soon pass away... and in some not too distant tomorrow the radiant stars of love and brotherhood will shine over our great nation...”— James Comey (@Comey) January 15, 2018
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Monday, 15 January 2018 18:32 (six years ago) link
‘i like to read his letter from birmingham jail and then go straight back to doing nothing at all, in either my personal or professional life, to help achieve his vision’
― grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 15 January 2018 18:37 (six years ago) link
perhaps you missed his tweet
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Monday, 15 January 2018 18:38 (six years ago) link
something something white moderate
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 15 January 2018 18:40 (six years ago) link
Other fun posts:
OPINION: Please stop politicizing Martin Luther King Day. It's a day for national unity, not political division https://t.co/MiE83UYlG0— Fox News (@FoxNews) January 15, 2018
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Monday, 15 January 2018 18:44 (six years ago) link
ah yes, the famously unpolitical mlk, who made rousing speeches about just like chilling out and enjoying the status quo iirc
― grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 15 January 2018 18:46 (six years ago) link
we just want a day off why you gotta ruin it
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Monday, 15 January 2018 18:50 (six years ago) link
"shithouse" was involved in a political scandal when then Governor Schaeffer called the Eastern Shore of Maryland a shithouse. It's not a great defense.
― Three Word Username, Monday, 15 January 2018 18:52 (six years ago) link
certainly nothing political at all about fox news opinion pieces asking the nation to unify around doing nothing to combat injustice, inequality or racism
― Righteous wax chaperone, rotating Wingdings (Doctor Casino), Monday, 15 January 2018 18:52 (six years ago) link
what a deplorable shithouse news network
― reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 15 January 2018 18:56 (six years ago) link
“Let us all hope that the dark clouds of racial prejudice will soon pass away...
These kind of quotes are the most popular now, because they are the most innocuous. Certainly, people who are in the midst of a fierce battle against oppression and terror, with plentiful deaths and thousands of casualties, require hope for the future or they'd never lay their life and their bodies on the line. But hope was not the end goal, just the fuel that drove the unimaginably hard work the movement was doing.
― A is for (Aimless), Monday, 15 January 2018 18:58 (six years ago) link
jfc that Paul Ryan picture
― JoeStork, Monday, 15 January 2018 19:01 (six years ago) link
I'm not the biggest fan of Biden but I'm forever appreciative of the 2012 debate where he demonstrated that the correct response to Paul Ryan is to laugh at him and refuse to ever take him seriously.
― JoeStork, Monday, 15 January 2018 19:03 (six years ago) link
idk I think the correct response involves more kicking
― Simon H., Monday, 15 January 2018 19:06 (six years ago) link
"is russia a 'shithouse' country, mr. speaker?"
― reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 15 January 2018 19:09 (six years ago) link
Now, now, there’s plenty of time for both the kicking and the laughing
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Monday, 15 January 2018 19:23 (six years ago) link
ah yes conservatives trying to adopt the legacy of MLK ("he was Republican you know!!!") is always delicious. can't tell you how many christian conservatives i heard growing up screeching about his extra-marital affairs and dirty socialism.
maybe Sam Bee isn't cool anymore(?) but her twitter account today is doing a p good job of roasting all these saggy GOP fucks tweeting about King.
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Monday, 15 January 2018 19:36 (six years ago) link
first they came for the undocumented
― reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 15 January 2018 19:37 (six years ago) link
wait hold on just one minute here the author of fox's mlk piece is called jeremy c. hunt? lol
― grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 15 January 2018 19:50 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjH4arIn-80
― grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 15 January 2018 19:51 (six years ago) link
fox news: 'stop politicising mlk day!'
also fox news: 'some Americans have given up on Dr. King’s dream and have begun to advocate a form of toxic identity politics that abandons colorblindness as an ideal.'
.@newtgingrich: It would be a colossal mistake to give up on Martin Luther King's dream https://t.co/Q2NBftzyHX— Fox News (@FoxNews) January 15, 2018
― grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 15 January 2018 19:56 (six years ago) link
Prominent civil rights advocate Newt Gingrich
― Moodles, Monday, 15 January 2018 20:01 (six years ago) link
Interesting if true...
BREAKING: #Haiti held emergency high court session that resulted in an agreement to unseal and release information within ex-dictator Jean-Claude 'Baby Doc' Duvalier's indictments relating to #MoneyLaundering via Trump Tower condo.More background here → https://t.co/Wb4iLQMgm9 https://t.co/I1TU2uMBqE— Bandit Aléatoire (@BanditRandom) January 15, 2018
― grawlix (unperson), Monday, 15 January 2018 20:03 (six years ago) link
On very related note, check out Elizabeth Hinton’s From the War on Poverty to the War on Crime: The Making of Mass Incarceration in America is a great recent book that covers, among many things, how ‘70s “colorblind” policy still managed to jail a far larger portion of black folks.
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Monday, 15 January 2018 20:07 (six years ago) link
to unseal and release information within ex-dictator Jean-Claude 'Baby Doc' Duvalier's indictments relating to #MoneyLaundering via Trump Tower condo.
This would be an interesting development if every country the idiot badmouths just opens up the file cabinets to dump all records on related business dealings.
It won’t change the polls, of course, but hopefully it would add more avenues of investigation.
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Monday, 15 January 2018 20:13 (six years ago) link
here is something you can't understand -- how i could just be a republican and expect deferential treatment, man
― reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 15 January 2018 21:17 (six years ago) link
This is a rather interesting combination of report and outlet.
U.S. counterintelligence officials warned Kushner about Wendi Deng Murdoch https://t.co/5vPc0aMnY1— Jacob Kornbluh (@jacobkornbluh) January 15, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 15 January 2018 22:05 (six years ago) link
fuck yeah let’s all get paranoid about china and russia now
― grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 15 January 2018 22:13 (six years ago) link
Senator Dicky Durbin totally misrepresented what was said at the DACA meeting. Deals can’t get made when there is no trust! Durbin blew DACA and is hurting our Military.— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 15, 2018
once again, i wonder if he's aware that the govt shutdown doesn't mean that the military shuts down
― Karl Malone, Monday, 15 January 2018 22:45 (six years ago) link
he is not.
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 15 January 2018 22:57 (six years ago) link
exciting new technology allows us for the first time ever to take a glimpse inside the president’s brainhttps://www.doctorramey.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Dontknowdontcare.jpg
― grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 15 January 2018 23:00 (six years ago) link
has any pundit or politician made an effort to remind everyone that DACA was an executive action, and that if Idiot wanted DACA he could bring it back tomorrow?
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 00:41 (six years ago) link
another fun-filled day of Trump trying to play Checkers on a Backgammon board
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 01:06 (six years ago) link
is anyone surprised
WASHINGTON — The most significant attempt to loosen rules imposed in the wake of the 2008 financial crisis is underway in Congress as the Senate looks to pass legislation within the next month that would roll back restrictions on swaths of the finance industry....The bill would allow hundreds of smaller banks to avoid certain elements of federal oversight, including stress tests, which measure a bank’s ability to withstand a severe economic downturn. Under current law, banks with assets of $50 billion or more are considered “systemically important financial institutions” and therefore governed by stricter rules. The bill would raise that threshold to institutions with assets of $250 billion or more, leaving fewer than 10 big banks in the United States subject to the stricter oversight.Banks with assets of $50 billion to $100 billion would be immediately freed from those requirements. Financial institutions with $100 billion to $250 billion in assets, such as BB&T and American Express, would no longer be subject to tougher rules after 18 months, although the Federal Reserve would retain the authority to periodically conduct stress tests on those firms....The bill that is working its way through the Senate was brokered primarily by Senator Mike Crapo, the Idaho Republican who chairs the banking committee, and moderate Democrats such as Senator Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota, Senator Jon Tester of Montana, Senator Joe Donnelly of Indiana and Senator Mark Warner of Virginia. Eleven Senate Democrats are co-sponsoring the bill, making its passage in the Senate likely.
...The bill would allow hundreds of smaller banks to avoid certain elements of federal oversight, including stress tests, which measure a bank’s ability to withstand a severe economic downturn. Under current law, banks with assets of $50 billion or more are considered “systemically important financial institutions” and therefore governed by stricter rules. The bill would raise that threshold to institutions with assets of $250 billion or more, leaving fewer than 10 big banks in the United States subject to the stricter oversight.
Banks with assets of $50 billion to $100 billion would be immediately freed from those requirements. Financial institutions with $100 billion to $250 billion in assets, such as BB&T and American Express, would no longer be subject to tougher rules after 18 months, although the Federal Reserve would retain the authority to periodically conduct stress tests on those firms.
...The bill that is working its way through the Senate was brokered primarily by Senator Mike Crapo, the Idaho Republican who chairs the banking committee, and moderate Democrats such as Senator Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota, Senator Jon Tester of Montana, Senator Joe Donnelly of Indiana and Senator Mark Warner of Virginia. Eleven Senate Democrats are co-sponsoring the bill, making its passage in the Senate likely.
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 04:38 (six years ago) link
This is why people don’t vote
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 05:16 (six years ago) link
has any pundit or politician made an effort to remind everyone that DACA was an executive action, and that if Idiot wanted DACA he could bring it back tomorrow?― Josh in Chicago, Monday, January 15, 2018 7:41 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
This would undermine his stated reason for rescinding the order (that it's not in the purview of POTUS). Not that he wouldn't deny that and anybody would GAF
― Hadrian VIII, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 05:22 (six years ago) link
your Senatorial #Resistance in action on financial regs
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 07:32 (six years ago) link
One of Vladimir Putin's principal geo-strategic goals has been to get the mighty Ben Cardin out of the Senate. He's been plotting to do this for years, and finally devised the can't-miss scheme: he recruited a young trans woman with felony convictions for leaking to primary him.— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) January 15, 2018
which expose the whole shutdown thing as bullshit. It's not a government shut-down, it's a government lockout against selected federal employees.
― But doctor, I am Camille Paglia (Bananaman Begins), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 10:35 (six years ago) link
The stupid GOP is constantly harping about the size of government, constantly trying to cut programs, just cut over a trillion dollars from the budget and works for a president whose minions are decimating government agencies across the board. Toss in that DACA can be solved in a second by executive order and yeah, fuck it, who are they to argue against a government shutdown? Bring it on. I just want the Dems to control the message, which should be some variation of the above.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 13:35 (six years ago) link
The Democrats want to shut down the Government over Amnesty for all and Border Security. The biggest loser will be our rapidly rebuilding Military, at a time we need it more than ever. We need a merit based system of immigration, and we need it now! No more dangerous Lottery.— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 16, 2018
― frogbs, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 14:21 (six years ago) link
That's what I mean. If they're not the Dems really need to get out there and take control of this before his the bullshit he's floating sinks in. They need to say a shutdown doesn't involve the military, they need to say he cancelled DACA, he could bring it back today.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 14:25 (six years ago) link
who's "they"
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 14:39 (six years ago) link
― Three Word Username
maybe he was trying to say the eastern shore of maryland was built like a brick shithouse. that's a compliment, isn't it?
― Arnold Schoenberg Steals (rushomancy), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 14:44 (six years ago) link
The Eastern Shore is mighty mighty.
― Gunther Gleiben (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 14:51 (six years ago) link
xpost They is the Dems.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 14:52 (six years ago) link
the Secretary of Homeland Security just testified under oath that she does not know whether Norway is predominantly white
― (the blues version in his Broadway show) (crüt), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 16:21 (six years ago) link
"i mean, i guess they're NORWEGIAN if that's what you're asking"
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 16:27 (six years ago) link
Why should the head of the DHS have to know or understand anything about the world outside of the homeland? These people with all of their 'expectations'! I tell ya! Sheeeeeesh!
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 16:30 (six years ago) link
'Look, I only know there's a country called Haiti because the president made reference to it. I'm only concerned about whatever's happening within these borders, not in Haiti or Nordway or Hoth or wherever.'
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 16:32 (six years ago) link
It's cold in Norway. The people are all bundled up. No way to tell what race they are.
― President Keyes, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 16:38 (six years ago) link
I don't know or care if Norway is white, black, brown, yellow or purple. our policies are color-blind.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 16:39 (six years ago) link
More importantly, DHS secretary Kirstjen Nielsen doesn't know if Norway is predominantly white.
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― Millennial Whoop, wanna fight about it? (Phil D.), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 16:46 (six years ago) link
I know casting Idris Elba as Heimdall in the Thor movies confused some people, but just maybe glance at some family photos, Kirstjen Nielsen?
― Millennial Whoop, wanna fight about it? (Phil D.), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 16:47 (six years ago) link
in her defense:
Nielsen (surname) Nielsen Danish pronunciation: [ˈnelsn̩] is a Danish patronymic surname, literally meaning son of Niels, Niels being the Danish version of the Greek male given name Νικόλαος, Nikolaos (cf. Nicholas).
― sleeve, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 16:56 (six years ago) link
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/16/us/politics/steve-bannon-mueller-russia-subpoena.html?_r=0
― Evan, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 16:57 (six years ago) link
Some interesting meat in that report.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 17:04 (six years ago) link
Some legal experts said the subpoena could be a sign that the investigation was intensifying, while others said it may simply have been a negotiating tactic to persuade Mr. Bannon to cooperate with the investigation.
These can both be true, nytimes.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 17:08 (six years ago) link
Bannon + "interesting meat" = uh...
― Gunther Gleiben (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 17:10 (six years ago) link
rancid meat more like
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 17:10 (six years ago) link
WATCH: Sen. Orrin Hatch removes a pair of glasses he's not wearing pic.twitter.com/QXCCb4RHzn— Jon Levine (@LevineJonathan) January 16, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 17:38 (six years ago) link
It must be true:
Sen. Graham: Last Tuesday we had a president I was proud to golf with and wanted a bipartisan solution on immigration."I don't know where that guy went. I want him back."— Evan Wilt (@EvanWilt_) January 16, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 17:56 (six years ago) link
In the hallway, @LindseyGrahamSC continues his criticism of White House on immigration: "I don't think the president was well served by his staff...I think General Kelly is a fine man, but he's also part of the staff."— Jeff Zeleny (@jeffzeleny) January 16, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 17:56 (six years ago) link
lindsey can’t be that stupid... can he?
― grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 17:58 (six years ago) link
Give me one good reason to say why he can't be that stupid.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 17:59 (six years ago) link
he's a "wit"
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 17:59 (six years ago) link
THREAD: Why did Mueller subpoena Bannon to testify before the grand jury? How is that different from an informal interview with investigators? (Short answer: He likely wants to question Bannon without Bannon's attorney present.) https://t.co/b0hS0YmzPZ— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) January 16, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 18:00 (six years ago) link
haven't read the thread and Ronaldo knows more than I know, but also apparently a grand jury is where you go when you know something you think the subject doesn't know you know, to catch them in lies.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 18:02 (six years ago) link
also, strategically, if they subpoena him he can claim he had no choice.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 18:05 (six years ago) link
Renato, that is. xpost
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 18:06 (six years ago) link
fascinating observation made elsewhere that Bannon went into the house intelligence interview knowing he had been subpoenaed but it is more than possible the currently sequestered house intelligence people didn't know he'd been subpoenaed and may in fact find out at some point during the interview.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 18:15 (six years ago) link
Time to flip, Ham-head
― Dean of the University (Latham Green), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 18:25 (six years ago) link
I have this weird feeling scumbag has been cooperating all along. Or at least for a while. But who knows.
Fun fact to learn that a subpoena trumps an NDA.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 18:33 (six years ago) link
that *is* good to know
― sleeve, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 18:34 (six years ago) link
Yeah I keep seeing this brought up. So if the subpoena IS cover...
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 18:36 (six years ago) link
According to some reports, Trump is still stroking Bannon by calling him for advice. If true, this is exactly the right approach to keep Bannon from flipping, since Bannon hankers so badly for access and influence, in hopes of reshaping the world in his own image. (<- plz do not think about that in literal terms or it will threaten your sanity.)
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 18:42 (six years ago) link
I dunno, Bannon might be going for the ego two-fer of getting a president elected *and* taking him down. Imagine the book deal!
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 18:43 (six years ago) link
Do not want to live in a world sculpted from putrefying deviled ham, thank u.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 18:44 (six years ago) link
"The Beginning and the End" by Steve Bannon."The Man Who Would Be King and the Man Who Would Not" by Steve Bannon."Turd on the Run" by Steve Bannon.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 18:44 (six years ago) link
MSNBC contract to come
― President Keyes, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 18:45 (six years ago) link
i won't be surprised if cambridge analytica is as dirty as every other trump campaign related entity and its former CEO, mr. bannon, is going down
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 18:51 (six years ago) link
bannon is not the former CEO of CA
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 18:53 (six years ago) link
CEO of CACA..
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 18:55 (six years ago) link
New frontiers in NeverTrumper capitulation: Now that Trump is making nuclear war a live issue again, @NRO is telling readers nuclear attack isn't so bad actually https://t.co/F2DAHBKb8b pic.twitter.com/dbe1Vs6VR5— Roy Edroso (@edroso) January 16, 2018
― Millennial Whoop, wanna fight about it? (Phil D.), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 18:55 (six years ago) link
re: who will be blamed for shutdown
who are we even talking about here? are there any right-leaning voters who will blame the republicans? are there any left-leaning voters who will blame the democrats? honestly i think the whole question "who will be blamed" is a pointless holdover from an era that has ended. the partisan divide was bad a few years ago. it's gotten demonstrably worse:
https://i.imgur.com/pzbyzD2.png https://i.imgur.com/341QegV.png
and hey i'm part of the problem too, i guess, because i think republicans are 100% wrong on the shutdown, and i think it's their fault. i think know they're wrong on climate change, and i don't want democrats to give a fucking INCH on it. so count me as a hyper-partisan.
so when the NYT asks about who the 'voters' will blame for x y or z, they're really talking about the tiny minority of voters who consider themselves "centrists" and might plausibly change their vote one way or another in the next election. and those people are the dumbest people in the entire fucking universe. let's go ask this earthworm (who is more informed than a centrist) who should be blamed for the shutdown! let's find that fucking groundhog while we're at it too and get its prediction
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 18:58 (six years ago) link
a centrist is someone who doesn't even understand what game they're playing
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 19:00 (six years ago) link
https://shareblue.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/CNN_01-16-2018_13.03.39_edit.mp4?_=1
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 19:04 (six years ago) link
is the rep voter souring on colleges/unis strictly a 2016 campaign after effect? it's hard for me to believe that given how skeptical of higher ed reps have been even before 2015 when this trend really picked up.
― Men's Scarehouse - "You're gonna like the way you're shook." (m bison), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 19:27 (six years ago) link
It's going to be remarkable if there's a government shutdown because Dems won't vote for a clean bill, and it gets blamed on Republicans, but the Trump negotiating has been so racist and inept that I could see it happening. And it would be an entirely apt response to the horror show he has concocted.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 19:27 (six years ago) link
It's going to be remarkable if there's a government shutdown because Dems won't vote for a clean bill
But Dems are mad because it's *not* a clean bill. Unless there is ... breaking news?
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 19:44 (six years ago) link
Sources say Bannon told by WH not to answer questions before House Intel Cmte about the White House and the transition. Did not assert executive privilege. Committee subpoenas him during the meeting to comply while in the hearing.— Chad Pergram (@ChadPergram) January 16, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 19:48 (six years ago) link
Saw a tweet saying this is Nunes desperate to know what Bannon's going to spill on. I'd buy it.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 19:49 (six years ago) link
Explain that to me, because I do not understand.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 19:53 (six years ago) link
How I understand the Republican's position. They want a DACA bill with many exceptions and exclusions made for "security" reasons, and a big appropriation for Trump's wall attached. They want to bust the deal made with Obama for percentage-based, across-the-board budget limits in all departments of the government, including the military, so that they can cut social programs and increase the military budget.
How I understand the Dem position. They want a vote on a clean, DACA bill, unconnected to building Trump's wall, that has enough bipartisan support it could pass. Unless such a DACA bill comes to the floor, they will not vote for an extension of borrowing authority. They would rather keep the overall budget agreement as-is, or else negotiate increases in social spending to accompany military budget increases. They reject the Republican budget proposals.
This is probably a wrong understanding to some degree, but in the general neighborhood of the truth.
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 20:01 (six years ago) link
xpost: Presumably:
* Nunes is now well known as a WH lapdog
* Bannon is not so coincidentally in the doghouse
* He has information! (Maybe.)
* Mueller has made it clear he'd like to know that information.
* Nunes would love to know what Mueller will learn (even though Nunes doesn't know all of what Mueller now knows).
* Bannon tells two different stories to Congress and to the grand jury = he gets hosed.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 20:06 (six years ago) link
If nothing else, the prospect of Bannon getting hosed is a win for public health.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 20:22 (six years ago) link
depends on how you manage the run-off
― gbx, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 20:41 (six years ago) link
Heh.
Anyway, isn't it convenient that the WH just had a very noisy, messy public breakup with him? Surely anything he knows or tells will now be cordoned off as "a disgruntled former low-level employee."
― Gunther Gleiben (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 20:43 (six years ago) link
steve bannon was a very low level advisor
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 20:45 (six years ago) link
Hello.
New tidbit: Corey Lewandowski has lawyered up https://t.co/domUQGzSPj— Betsy Woodruff (@woodruffbets) January 16, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 20:51 (six years ago) link
xpost Based on my understanding, his interaction with the president was limited to fetching him a Diet Coke once or twice. Trump didn't even know who people were referring to until they described Bannon physically.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 20:53 (six years ago) link
'Oh, the guy whose face looks like my torso, right, right.'
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 20:54 (six years ago) link
I can’t help but hear this in the opening narration style of an episode of “Soap”
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 21:40 (six years ago) link
“confused? you won’t be after this episode”
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 21:43 (six years ago) link
sorry -- former VP of CA
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 21:54 (six years ago) link
trump is a medically certified brain genious folks
President Donald Trump asked that a cognitive test be included as part of his first physical exam.Trump’s physician — Navy doctor Ronny Jackson — says the president achieved a perfect score on the test, which was included in last Friday’s medical checkup.Jackson says Trump’s 30 out of 30 score means there’s no indication that Trump has any cognitive issues.The doctor speculates that Trump requested the exam in an attempt to beat back the narrative of the past few weeks that he is mentally unfit for office.Jackson describes Trump as “very sharp” and “very articulate when he speaks to me.”The doctor says he’s found “no reason whatsoever” to think the president has any issues with his thought process.
― grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 21:56 (six years ago) link
well, that's, uh, good news, I guess
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 21:58 (six years ago) link
"and tell em i never had that guy whacked on the south shore""sir, no one has-""TELL EM!!"
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 22:01 (six years ago) link
Trump is just an all-natural, full-firing, medically certified asshole.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 22:12 (six years ago) link
there's a big difference between being a board member, helping with funding and introductions, and being the actual CEO.
but anyway, lol
Bannon refused to answer questions in House Intel committee, prompting an on-the-spot subpoena, per @kyledcheney. https://t.co/Ej1EvW1Lb3— Josh Dawsey (@jdawsey1) January 16, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 22:12 (six years ago) link
xpost https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z834x4Qk_pM
If that’s the test I administer (it has a 30/30 score) it means he can tell you the date and his location, can recall three objects that were stated a minute earlier, can follow simple 3-part directions, write a sentence, copy a design, and do some subtraction exercises.
― JoeStork, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 22:16 (six years ago) link
^I've little doubt that is the level of testing he received.
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 22:19 (six years ago) link
it's the 15th right
― #TeamHailing (imago), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 22:20 (six years ago) link
― grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 22:21 (six years ago) link
― JoeStork, Tuesday, January 16, 2018 4:16 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yeah, he almost certainly did a MOCA or a SLUMS -- my guess is the latter, as it's the preferred cognitive screen of the VA
neither are that difficult, but they are pretty sensitive
― gbx, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 22:23 (six years ago) link
maybe we can now fight the power instead of being delivered by Pence
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 16 January 2018 22:25 (six years ago) link
“very articulate when he speaks to me.”
He should maybe try it when he's speaking to other people as well.
― ailsa, Tuesday, 16 January 2018 22:26 (six years ago) link
Trump achieving a perfect score on a test which isn't measuring for some undesirable trait means that the test is a meaningless, garbage test. Seriously. How can you give someone a 29/30 on that test unless their brain has been physically removed from their skull?
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 00:21 (six years ago) link
Like, assuming the test is legit, I think this gives me stronger 'absolutely nothing means anything' vibes than anything else that's happened over the past year.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 00:24 (six years ago) link
why'd he need to join politics. if he'd wanted to hang around other people who don't know shit and won't shut the fuck up, there were plenty of Fundamentalist church potlucks.......
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 01:15 (six years ago) link
Cory Booker's speech was awesome
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 01:28 (six years ago) link
Something I saw on Twitter - Trump is on the record now as being 6'3", 239 pounds. Apparently, that height-weight combo qualifies him as "overweight"; if he was 240, he'd qualify as "obese." So, you know, it's total bullshit. Swapping that 3 for an 8 would be closer to the truth, and probably still short of the mark.
― grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 01:34 (six years ago) link
There is no way that motherfucker is 239 pounds
― jjjusten, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 01:43 (six years ago) link
Trump's been bragging an 8 and delivering a 3 since puberty.
― Never Learn To Mike Love (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 01:44 (six years ago) link
Unless all the extra volume is trapped gas that fucker is lying.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 01:56 (six years ago) link
https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2018/01/16/donald-trump-height-weight-tim-tebow-mike-trout
― hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 02:18 (six years ago) link
Tim Tebow is 6'2/236.
[https://imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/mm/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn-s3.si.com%2Fimages%2Ftrump-tebow.jpg&w=800&q=85]
oops, prob for the best that the image didn't post
― hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 02:19 (six years ago) link
The Towel Rack Strikes Again!
https://frinkiac.com/video/S07E07/8b5cIagPuV8wSUIrPGxCEoumsSw=.gif
― Never Learn To Mike Love (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 02:20 (six years ago) link
BMI is a bullshit stat. Trump is an out of shape idiot and the president.
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 02:22 (six years ago) link
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-16/sanders-defends-trump-as-not-racist-citing-apprentice-tv-role
“Frankly, if the critics of the president were who he said he was, why did NBC give him a show for a decade on TV?” Sanders said Tuesday.
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 02:28 (six years ago) link
ahh so that's what Jay Cutler's ass looks like
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 02:33 (six years ago) link
Woke Axl Rose is still something to contemplate.
What defies law and common sense is Jeff Sessions himself.— Axl Rose (@axlrose) January 17, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 02:58 (six years ago) link
sick sad world we live in
― Nhex, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 03:19 (six years ago) link
we don't need no civil war
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 03:21 (six years ago) link
Jackson describes Trump as “very sharp” and “very articulate when he speaks to me.”
Trump say hi to me
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 04:56 (six years ago) link
The rundown: In 2017, Democrats running in special elections performed, on average, 10% better than Clinton and 7% better than Obama.In the first four specials of 2018, Dems performed **21%** better than Clinton and 13% better than Obama. 🌊🌊🌊 https://t.co/qSfxkNzxUU— James Lambert (@hellofasandwich) January 17, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 05:00 (six years ago) link
axl hates sessions and has been speaking out against him for a whileMeanwhile:“Four in 10 Republicans consider accurate news stories that cast a politician or political group in a negative light to always be “fake news.””and other distressing shithttps://knightfoundation.org/reports/american-views-trust-media-and-democracy
― maura, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 05:50 (six years ago) link
Are the fake news awards actually going to happen
― frogbs, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 14:19 (six years ago) link
They have been downgraded to a 'potential event'
― stet, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 14:25 (six years ago) link
the fake news awards are... fake news?
― grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 14:26 (six years ago) link
trump gettin' meta
― grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 14:27 (six years ago) link
Waiting for the tweet denouncing the fake news organizations who are disseminating the fake news that he ever even announced a Fake News Awards.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 14:30 (six years ago) link
And then watching Trump get violently ripped apart by the breach in spacetime created by his comprehensive dismantling of reality.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 14:32 (six years ago) link
lots of Woke #Resistance types (on twitter, not so much here) making fun of the president for being fat, great job everyone
― Simon H., Wednesday, 17 January 2018 14:33 (six years ago) link
Meanwhile the political acumen of Erick Erickson:
Democrats seem to continually overplay their hand on immigration. If Republicans offer a plan to keep DACA recipients in the country and the Democrats still shut down the government, it could re-energize a Republican base that is starting to get tired. It could also push some fence sitters away from the Democrats.
This is a fight worth having. The GOP is probably not going to offer a harsh deal on DACA because there is a strong consensus led by the President that the DACA recipients should be allowed to stay in exchange for border security. If that's the deal and the Democrats balk at it, shut down the government and make the case that the Democrats are putting illegal aliens and lax borders ahead of the national interest.
Personally, I tend to always favor a government shutdown. People need to remember they can survive without the federal government. As Democrats have rediscovered federalism, now they can realize a Washington inconsequential to their lives is a good thing.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 14:36 (six years ago) link
New details this morning: FBI agents showed up at Bannon’s DC home last week.https://t.co/nT6bYCpPDS— Peter Alexander (@PeterAlexander) January 17, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 14:51 (six years ago) link
Also this story about how Wolff played the White House is grimly amusing
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-17/how-author-wolff-got-into-trump-s-white-house-for-tell-all-book
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 14:52 (six years ago) link
What was that a few days (months? years?) ago with Bannon boasting we will never see him hiring a lawyer or testifying?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 14:54 (six years ago) link
presumably the interaction between the fbi agents and bannon were like a larp of the x-files episodes with eugene tooms
― grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 14:56 (six years ago) link
dammit i meant flukeman i fucked this up i'm sorry guys shit goddammit fuck
― grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 14:57 (six years ago) link
I think you're just conflating the various monsters of the week that were modeled after Bannon. I'm sure he also roosts in a nest he's constructed from newspaper strips and his own bile.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 15:04 (six years ago) link
From that Bloomberg piece Ned linked:
Author Michael Wolff’s pitch to the White House to win cooperation for his book included a working title that signaled a sympathetic view, a counter-narrative to a slew of negative news stories early in Donald Trump’s presidency.He called it “The Great Transition: The First 100 Days of the Trump Administration.” And in part due to that title, Wolff was able to exploit an inexperienced White House staff who mistakenly believed they could shape the book to the president’s liking.Nearly everyone who spoke with Wolff thought someone else in the White House had approved their participation. And it appears that not a single person in a position of authority to halt cooperation with the book -- including Trump himself -- raised any red flags, despite Wolff’s well documented history. His previous work included a critical book on Trump confidant Rupert Murdoch, the Twenty-First Century Fox Inc. co-chairman....Wolff’s entree began with Trump himself, who phoned the author in early February to compliment him on a CNN appearance in which Wolff criticized media coverage of the new president.Wolff told Trump during the call that he wanted to write a book on the president’s first 100 days in office. Many people want to write books about me, Trump replied -- talk to my staff. Aides Kellyanne Conway and Hope Hicks listened to Wolff’s pitch in a West Wing meeting the next day, but were noncommittal. Several aides said Hicks later informally endorsed talking with Wolff as long as they made “positive” comments for the book, which they said Wolff told them would counter the media’s unfair narrative.It wasn’t until late August that alarm bells were raised in the White House -- when Hicks, Jared Kushner and their allies realized that fellow aides who had spoken with Wolff, especially Bannon, may have provided damaging anecdotes about them.
He called it “The Great Transition: The First 100 Days of the Trump Administration.” And in part due to that title, Wolff was able to exploit an inexperienced White House staff who mistakenly believed they could shape the book to the president’s liking.
Nearly everyone who spoke with Wolff thought someone else in the White House had approved their participation. And it appears that not a single person in a position of authority to halt cooperation with the book -- including Trump himself -- raised any red flags, despite Wolff’s well documented history. His previous work included a critical book on Trump confidant Rupert Murdoch, the Twenty-First Century Fox Inc. co-chairman.
...
Wolff’s entree began with Trump himself, who phoned the author in early February to compliment him on a CNN appearance in which Wolff criticized media coverage of the new president.
Wolff told Trump during the call that he wanted to write a book on the president’s first 100 days in office. Many people want to write books about me, Trump replied -- talk to my staff. Aides Kellyanne Conway and Hope Hicks listened to Wolff’s pitch in a West Wing meeting the next day, but were noncommittal.
Several aides said Hicks later informally endorsed talking with Wolff as long as they made “positive” comments for the book, which they said Wolff told them would counter the media’s unfair narrative.
It wasn’t until late August that alarm bells were raised in the White House -- when Hicks, Jared Kushner and their allies realized that fellow aides who had spoken with Wolff, especially Bannon, may have provided damaging anecdotes about them.
― grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 15:08 (six years ago) link
not worrying at all that senior white house figures can be so easily duped by the most simple flattery and so disinclined to do any background checking on the flatterer
― grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 15:10 (six years ago) link
worth recalling wolff's quote from a little while back
― grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 15:14 (six years ago) link
Jeff Flake set to make some kind of anti-trump speech on the senate floor
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 15:20 (six years ago) link
well that oughtta take care of trump once and for all
― grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 15:21 (six years ago) link
Flake the Trump Slayer
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 15:24 (six years ago) link
I'dxask what the over/under would be about Trump tweeting about "Frosted Flake", but a nickname like that is too clever for him.
― Never Learn To Mike Love (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 15:27 (six years ago) link
AP "reviewed hundreds of pages of depositions taken of Trump in the past decade":
"The transcripts reveal a witness who is by turns voluble, giving expansive answers far beyond the questions asked; boastful, using unrelated queries to expound on his wealth or popularity; unapologetic, swift to defend incendiary comments or criticized actions; and occasionally combative, once deriding a lawyer for 'very stupid' questions."
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 15:38 (six years ago) link
xpost should just post a gif of himself brushing brushing his shoulders off
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 15:39 (six years ago) link
Jeff Cornflake xxp
― LLAMAS ARE FOR CLOSERS (WilliamC), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 15:39 (six years ago) link
really don't think Corey Booker throwing Weiner-style tantrums on camera is gonna help anything
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 15:41 (six years ago) link
how? nobody cares either way imo
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 15:43 (six years ago) link
so the associated press reviewed hundreds of pages of trump depositions and found that trump be trumpin'
― grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 15:43 (six years ago) link
guys I think this trump guy might be a bit of a piece of work!
― Simon H., Wednesday, 17 January 2018 15:51 (six years ago) link
AP should interview some Trump supporters, see what they think.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 15:55 (six years ago) link
Been seeing Farenthold's byline so infrequently these days that I assume he is deep in something, or writing a book, but this remains the standard bearer for the Trump is a Liar storyline:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/trump-lies/
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 15:59 (six years ago) link
fuck!! CNN in the background with voters from Ohio praising trump's bullshit and eating up the lies on immigrants taking ALL their jobs!!
"he says stuff like real americans,i like that, I want may country back" xp
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 16:00 (six years ago) link
my*
(bitcoin babies right now getting a lot not-richer)
― mark s, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 16:02 (six years ago) link
psyched for everyone save native americans to self-deport
― grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 16:11 (six years ago) link
New report from DOJ & DHS shows that nearly 3 in 4 individuals convicted of terrorism-related charges are foreign-born. We have submitted to Congress a list of resources and reforms....— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 16, 2018
....we need to keep America safe, including moving away from a random chain migration and lottery system, to one that is merit-based. https://t.co/7PtoSFK1n2— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 16, 2018
― Righteous wax chaperone, rotating Wingdings (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 16:13 (six years ago) link
fUCK THIS FUCKING NARRATIVE IS SO INFURIATING .
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 16:15 (six years ago) link
and of course completely untrue
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 16:16 (six years ago) link
be interested to know exactly how many individuals have been convicted of terrorism-related charges in this stat he's citing
― grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 16:17 (six years ago) link
https://qz.com/1180762/trumps-dhs-and-doj-are-overcounting-foreign-born-terrorists/
― Righteous wax chaperone, rotating Wingdings (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 16:17 (six years ago) link
Charles Pierce is not pleased with Chelsea Manning's running
Look, I have no problem if Manning wants to run. Everybody who wants to run should be able to run. That’s why I’m in favor of campaign-finance reform and easy access to the franchise. Also, as my grandmother used to say, everyone’s entitled to go to hell in their own way.
And, generally, I’m in favor of vigorous primaries. They sharpen people up for the general election and, occasionally, the debate creates momentum for a policy or an issue that’s been lost in the general hurly-burly. But I also believe that, in a proper primary, both candidates should agree on exactly the office for which they’re running. Ben Cardin is running for re-election to the United States Senate. Chelsea Manning seems to be running to be Natalie Portman’s stunt double in V For Vendetta II: The Vendetting.
If I had my own military intelligence establishment, and I was trying to run candidates to screw up the government of the United States, this is exactly the kind of campaign video I would run. I also would point out that there’s a very old and racist joke involving the Lone Ranger and Tonto that Manning’s rather profligate use of the first-person plural brings immediately to mind.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 16:18 (six years ago) link
“’Terrorism-related’ is not a term that appears in the US criminal code,” said Alex Nowrasteh, an immigration policy analyst at the Cato Institute. “It’s pretty meaningless.”His own analysis, which counts foreign-born terrorists convicted of planning or committing a terrorist attack in the US, found 154 cases from 1975 to 2015. That’s almost 250 fewer than the Trump administration’s count over a longer period of time. The White House and the Homeland Security department did not respond to requests for comment.
His own analysis, which counts foreign-born terrorists convicted of planning or committing a terrorist attack in the US, found 154 cases from 1975 to 2015. That’s almost 250 fewer than the Trump administration’s count over a longer period of time. The White House and the Homeland Security department did not respond to requests for comment.
trump administration in 'total bullshit' shocker
(thx for the link doc c)
― grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 16:19 (six years ago) link
First, the list excludes homegrown extremists, who have become the US’s biggest terror threat.
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 16:19 (six years ago) link
basically they're including people who were convicted of whatever non-terrorism crime, if the investigations/prosecutions in some way arose out of a terrorism investigation... and NOT counting "domestic" terrorism like vegas, charlestown etc. so basically the remit for the report, which was called for in the muslim ban EO, was "manufacture evidence to support the muslim ban EO."
― Righteous wax chaperone, rotating Wingdings (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 16:20 (six years ago) link
the level of incompetent mendacity on display would be funny if it wasn't so likely to help trump get what he wants
― grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 16:22 (six years ago) link
If I had my own military intelligence establishment, and I was trying to run candidates to screw up the government of the United States, this is exactly the kind of campaign video I would run.
cause if there's one thing we all love it's the government of the United States as it is currently structured and operated
― Simon H., Wednesday, 17 January 2018 16:27 (six years ago) link
Flake’s speech is going to compare trump’s treatment of the media to Stalin (for real - there were reports about it from early transcripts the other day)
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 16:30 (six years ago) link
wait, so the military intelligence establishment is backing the campaign of someone who infamously blew the whistle on that same military intelligence establishment in order to tilt the us government on its axis... for some reason?
the 'chelsea is a russian stooge' take seems sane by comparison
― grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 16:32 (six years ago) link
oh cool so now the right's gonna stan for stalin the way they've been stanning for hitler
― grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 16:33 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8Mnv3WcQPk
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 16:34 (six years ago) link
'i strongly condemn the president's shameful words and actions, and i will continue to vote in support of his policies the overwhelming majority of the time'
― grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 16:39 (six years ago) link
tbf he probably killed more communists than anyone else
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 16:40 (six years ago) link
when #nevertrump GOP dudes end up in gulags for, oh let's say at least six months, I'll buy this comparison, with a side of popcorn.
― Simon H., Wednesday, 17 January 2018 16:44 (six years ago) link
― grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara),
my thought too
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 16:46 (six years ago) link
The part of Pierce's post on Manning that Alfred quoted is not the important part. This is:
I would like one person to explain to me how any of the following would improve if Chelsea Manning were the senator from Maryland instead of Ben Cardin.1) The national government;2) The lives of the people of Maryland, and,3) Any progressive policy not drawn up with spray-paint on the side of an abandoned factory.And please, show your work. Also, any answer containing the phrase, “neo-McCarthyism” is automatically disqualified.
1) The national government;
2) The lives of the people of Maryland, and,
3) Any progressive policy not drawn up with spray-paint on the side of an abandoned factory.
And please, show your work. Also, any answer containing the phrase, “neo-McCarthyism” is automatically disqualified.
― grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 16:54 (six years ago) link
WASHINGTON (AP) — Legislation extending a government program established to gather information from foreigners overseas has cleared a key Senate hurdle.The Senate voted 60-38 to limit debate on the six-year reauthorization of the National Security Agency’s warrantless surveillance program.Democratic Sen. Claire McCaskill’s vote to limit debate got supporters to the threshold needed for the Senate to move to a final vote.Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer had pushed Democrats to oppose limiting debate, saying lawmakers from both parties should get an opportunity to offer amendments.
The Senate voted 60-38 to limit debate on the six-year reauthorization of the National Security Agency’s warrantless surveillance program.
Democratic Sen. Claire McCaskill’s vote to limit debate got supporters to the threshold needed for the Senate to move to a final vote.
Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer had pushed Democrats to oppose limiting debate, saying lawmakers from both parties should get an opportunity to offer amendments.
here are the 18 senate democrats who got it to 60 votes:
Tom Carper (Del.), Bob Casey (Pa.), Catherine Cortez Masto (Nev.), Joe Donnelly (Ind.), Tammy Duckworth (Ill.), Dianne Feinstein (Calif.), Maggie Hassan (N.H.), Heidi Heitkamp (D-N.D.), Doug Jones (Ala.), Amy Klobuchar (Minn.), Joe Manchin (W.V.), Claire McCaskill (Mo.), Bill Nelson (Fla.), Gary Peters (Mich.), Jack Reed (R.I.), Jeanne Shaheen (N.H.), Mark Warner (Va.), Sheldon Whitehouse (R.I.).
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 16:55 (six years ago) link
my boy Bill Nelson
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 16:55 (six years ago) link
MORE POWER FOR THE MAD GOD-KING
― grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 16:58 (six years ago) link
so much for my tentative endorsement of Duckworth
so tired of Dems doing this shit under the guise of "bipartisanship" or w/e
primary them all
― sleeve, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 16:59 (six years ago) link
Yeah, I know Duckworth is a military vet and that probably affects her vote but jfc
― Millennial Whoop, wanna fight about it? (Phil D.), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 17:04 (six years ago) link
wonder if they would have voted down the Shithole Intelligence of Surveillance Act
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 17:14 (six years ago) link
“Ugh, here we go” for next month’s thread title plz
― Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 17:16 (six years ago) link
http://www.rawstory.com/2018/01/stormy-daniels-describes-sex-with-trump-in-cringe-worthy-detail-ugh-here-we-go-please-dont-pay-me/
― Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 17:20 (six years ago) link
digression i suppose but charles pierce is the most unreadable writer who evidently puts a lot of work into their sentences this side of james wolcott
― mark s, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 17:21 (six years ago) link
Chas Pierce can gtfo
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 17:23 (six years ago) link
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 17:30 (six years ago) link
modern life gets snrubbisher
― mark s, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 17:32 (six years ago) link
lol what a dumbass, this is literally how you tell if they'll work
― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 17:33 (six years ago) link
This strikes me as not a smart move
#BREAKING: White House told Bannon attorney when not to respond during House interview: report https://t.co/dRTRatkQDr pic.twitter.com/TPpRS5ofkE— The Hill (@thehill) January 17, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 17:33 (six years ago) link
Also, all kinds of fun in here
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jasonleopold/newly-uncovered-russian-payments-are-a-focus-of-election
Yeah, just saw that:
US authorities are poring over hundreds of newly uncovered payments from Russian diplomatic accounts. Among them are transactions by former ambassador Sergey Kislyak 10 days after the 2016 presidential election and a blocked $150,000 cash withdrawal five days after the inauguration.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 17:34 (six years ago) link
here's one improvement over Cardin: not fellating Netanyahu
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 17:37 (six years ago) link
assuming some busybody editor made him cut the brilliant menckenesque epithet he'd prepared for chelsea manning, but while we're here, they're worse than trump's
― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 17:40 (six years ago) link
Bankers flagged it to the US government as suspicious in part because the transaction, MARKED PAYROLL, didn’t fit prior pay patterns.
hahaha
― Hadrian VIII, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 17:51 (six years ago) link
― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, January 17, 2018 12
I've wanted to poll these for a while, suspect that Big Chicken and Huckleberry Butchmeup will win.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 17:53 (six years ago) link
be sure to list each of the options 9000 times
― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 17:54 (six years ago) link
― mark s, Wednesday, January 17, 2018 12:21 PM
He's terrific when he remembers he was a reporter and writes like one.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 17:54 (six years ago) link
Woke Axl Rose is still something to contemplate
Now we know what the W. stands for, huh
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 18:07 (six years ago) link
well played, sir
― sleeve, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 18:08 (six years ago) link
Huckleberry Butchmeup
what does this mean
― Haribo Hancock (sic), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 18:27 (six years ago) link
it means someone wants to call Lindsey Graham gay and they also hate southerners
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 18:32 (six years ago) link
where do the Lindsey Graham gay rumors come from? is there anything behind them beyond his being single?
― (the blues version in his Broadway show) (crüt), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 18:38 (six years ago) link
Isn't that enough in the US?
― Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 18:39 (six years ago) link
Y'know, place is full of Christians after all.
― Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 18:40 (six years ago) link
that buzzfeed article is fascinating
― Dan S, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 18:45 (six years ago) link
so fucking sick of this idea that a government "shutdown" stops the military from working it's such bullshit and SHS stands up there and claims it but they say nothing to dispute it.
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 18:46 (six years ago) link
if you wanted to make a concern troll argument, it's also kind of a dumb thing to say when you allegedly have multiple countries who would like to target the U.S.
"let's get 'em, the military's standing down!"
― omar little, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 18:49 (six years ago) link
Porn star Stormy Daniels to 'In Touch': Trump said I was “just like his daughter” https://t.co/hk64QhwTMd pic.twitter.com/CAz9ZxiTBp— SPIN (@SPIN) January 17, 2018
― Millennial Whoop, wanna fight about it? (Phil D.), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 18:50 (six years ago) link
Trump, one figures, was talking about Ivanka Trump, who was 24 at the time. (His other daughter, Tiffany, would have been 11.)
― omar little, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 18:53 (six years ago) link
cool news cycle
― Simon H., Wednesday, 17 January 2018 18:53 (six years ago) link
sorry just vomited all over my keyboard
― frogbs, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 18:56 (six years ago) link
Plus he's never fancied Tiffany anyway.
― Whiney Houston (Tom D.), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 18:59 (six years ago) link
She's not wrong.
http://i2.wp.com/www.mycelebrity.eu/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Ivanka-Trump-Hot-12.jpg
― Sanpaku, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 19:24 (six years ago) link
honestly can't tell from the quotes I've seen if SD is a savvy opportunist who's telling everyone exactly what they want to hear to match their (correctly) low opinions of Trump or if he really is just that predictable
― Simon H., Wednesday, 17 January 2018 19:26 (six years ago) link
I had similar thoughts/conclusions following what I read re: Wolff book
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 19:30 (six years ago) link
Feels like the outrageousness of a given claim about Trump is the metric by which its likely veracity should be measured. 'I am a campaign aide you've never heard of and I had an affair with President Trump' = not sure; 'I am a porn star who had an affair with President Trump, and also he told me I reminded him of his daughter' = ding ding ding
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 19:33 (six years ago) link
(c) Dennis Stuff, of the Lincolnshire Stuffs
― "Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 19:33 (six years ago) link
I mean, it's almost the exact opposite metric you'd use wrt almost anyone else on earth, but he really is that fucking awful.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 19:34 (six years ago) link
the In Touch interview is supposedly from 2011
― (the blues version in his Broadway show) (crüt), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 19:35 (six years ago) link
it's all Enquirer-level reporting but it's amazing how all these stories form a consistent portrait of Trump that's held steady since at least the 80's. which is consistent with his public persona. Wolff himself expressed surprise at the book's success...he said he thought everyone knew this stuff already. like...the only 'revelation' here is that Trump is exactly the character he plays on TV
― frogbs, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 19:41 (six years ago) link
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/michael-wolffs-fire-fury-become-tv-series-1075346
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 19:46 (six years ago) link
kind of redundant
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 19:50 (six years ago) link
a politico-spiritual successor to the human centipede
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 20:13 (six years ago) link
In private conversations, Trump has told advisers that he doesn’t think the 2018 election has to be as bad as others are predicting. He has referenced the 2002 midterms, when George W. Bush and Republicans fared better after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, these people said.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/1/17/16893408/donald-trumps-2018-plan
everything is fine. he's definitely not thinking about exploiting a terrorist attack or taking the country to war for political gain.
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 20:17 (six years ago) link
Tillerson says he doesn't have a Twitter account; his staff prints the president's tweets out and hands them to Tillerson. He likes it this way, because he can already see others' reax & work to address it.— Tamara Cofman Wittes (@tcwittes) January 17, 2018
wait, does this mean tillerson gets a paper print-out of trump's tweets and the responses? that's quite a print-out
― mark s, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 20:20 (six years ago) link
Was this posted?
MADISON, Wis. (AP) — A surprising Democratic upset in a conservative Wisconsin Senate district where voters overwhelmingly supported President Donald Trump just 14 months ago has raised liberal hopes of more election success coming this fall.Patty Schachtner’s victory over an incumbent Republican state representative in Wisconsin’s 10th Senate District follows a series of Democratic wins across the country. Republican Gov. Scott Walker, who is up for re-election to a third term in November, took note, posting on Twitter minutes after Schachtner’s win calling it a “wake up call for Republicans in Wisconsin.”
Patty Schachtner’s victory over an incumbent Republican state representative in Wisconsin’s 10th Senate District follows a series of Democratic wins across the country. Republican Gov. Scott Walker, who is up for re-election to a third term in November, took note, posting on Twitter minutes after Schachtner’s win calling it a “wake up call for Republicans in Wisconsin.”
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 20:20 (six years ago) link
Sarah says the Fake News Awards (what I'm calling "the Fakies!") will be "something later today." "We'll keep you posted." pic.twitter.com/H6gNVjrUdL— David Mack (@davidmackau) January 17, 2018
lol they forgot about it
it's gonna be one tweet with a gif of Trump curbstomping the CNN logo or something
― frogbs, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 20:21 (six years ago) link
i guess flake's stalin/trump speech was supposed to be a grand counterpunch to the fake news awards? i don't know if anyone will care. flake acts like a person playing a president in a tv movie. he announces his retirement a year early, makes a great show of being anti-trump but supports the trump administration with his votes. the only way any of this makes sense is if he's planning to primary in 2020.
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 20:24 (six years ago) link
more like jeff fake
― (the blues version in his Broadway show) (crüt), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 20:25 (six years ago) link
― sleeve, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 20:28 (six years ago) link
"Flake" works too
― omar little, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 20:28 (six years ago) link
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 20:37 (six years ago) link
He denounces Trump, cozies up to him, announces his retirement, calls him Stalin. What a terrible politician.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 20:38 (six years ago) link
truly the stunning rebrand the GOP deserves
― Simon H., Wednesday, 17 January 2018 20:38 (six years ago) link
the fakiesjesus christ
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 20:39 (six years ago) link
Meanwhile in American Fascism https://jezebel.com/border-patrol-agents-accused-of-systematically-destroyi-1822165599
― Millennial Whoop, wanna fight about it? (Phil D.), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 20:44 (six years ago) link
Meanwhile the 538 poll accumulator has cracked 40% approval for the first time since last May.
― attention vampire (MatthewK), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 20:58 (six years ago) link
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2018/01/17/minnesota-gop-leader-seeks-cut-of-big-donations
"Unlike other state parties, Minnesota is different. Neither our Chairman or our National Committeeman and National Committeewoman are from the donor class," she writes. "To make-up for what I lack in personal wealth, I've chosen to dedicate my time to ensuring the party is set-up for short and long-term success."
― j., Wednesday, 17 January 2018 20:59 (six years ago) link
MADISON, Wis. (AP) — A surprising Democratic upset in a conservative Wisconsin Senate district where voters overwhelmingly supported President Donald Trump just 14 months ago has raised liberal hopes of more election success coming this fall.
It’s news like this that reminds me that reality shattered and sooo many deep assumptions of what could not be done from clueless “realists” are unsupportable now. Is every seat gunna flip? Hell no, but 50-state strategy time again and see what you can do.
And that whoever programmed their algorithm to decide what races to fund overwhelmingly better start rejiggering some assumed constants.
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 21:05 (six years ago) link
The new chairwoman of Minnesota's Republican Party is seeking a 10 percent commission from large donations to the party, according to a memo obtained by The Associated Press.
^ Thus exemplifying the entrepreneurial spirit so valued by her party. Of course, the 10% figure is just an opening number in what would be a continuing negotiation, as recommended by President Trump in his stellar book, The Art of the Deal (available at fine booksellers everywhere!)
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 21:11 (six years ago) link
don't want to move the goalposts and say it doesn't matter that his net approval has ticked up on aggregators, but the fact that a near majority now *strongly* disapprove is worth keeping in mind
New Quinnipiac poll:Trump approval: 38-5729% approve strongly49% (!) disapprove stronglyTrump uniting/dividing country: 31/64 (!)Mentally stable/unstable: 45/47 (!!)Does/Does not respect people of color as much as whites: 38/59 (!!!)https://t.co/Cfih4Q4VGE— Greg Sargent (@ThePlumLineGS) January 17, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 21:17 (six years ago) link
(!!!!)
― Evan, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 21:21 (six years ago) link
Now to PLan B in the Trump toolbox - DECLARE BANKRUPTCY
― Dean of the University (Latham Green), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 21:22 (six years ago) link
ty caek
― sleeve, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 21:22 (six years ago) link
^^^could use a caek/ned-only thread without everyone else's poorly formed joeks
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 21:29 (six years ago) link
https://bnanews.bna.com/daily-labor-report/haiti-removed-from-temporary-visa-eligibility-list
Haiti has been removed from the list of countries eligible to participate in two temporary work visa programs.A Jan. 17 notice from the Department of Homeland Security lists Haiti as one of three countries whose nationals no longer can apply for H-2A or H-2B visas. The announcement comes less than a week after President Donald Trump reportedly referred to the Caribbean country as well as African nations as “shithole countries.”Haitians who apply for the visas have shown “high levels of fraud and abuse” and a “high rate” of staying in the U.S. after their visas have expired, the DHS said in the notice. The State Department also has refused to issue the visas to Haitian nationals at “extremely high rates,” the DHS said. Therefore, allowing them to continue to apply for the visas is “no longer in the U.S. interest,” the agency said.H-2A visas go to temporary workers in the agriculture industry, while H-2B visas go to seasonal nonagricultural workers such as those in landscaping, amusement, and hospitality.A representative for the DHS’s U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services Jan. 17 declined to comment on the reasoning behind the decision. A representative for the Haitian Embassy also didn’t respond to Bloomberg Law’s request for comment.
A Jan. 17 notice from the Department of Homeland Security lists Haiti as one of three countries whose nationals no longer can apply for H-2A or H-2B visas. The announcement comes less than a week after President Donald Trump reportedly referred to the Caribbean country as well as African nations as “shithole countries.”
Haitians who apply for the visas have shown “high levels of fraud and abuse” and a “high rate” of staying in the U.S. after their visas have expired, the DHS said in the notice. The State Department also has refused to issue the visas to Haitian nationals at “extremely high rates,” the DHS said. Therefore, allowing them to continue to apply for the visas is “no longer in the U.S. interest,” the agency said.
H-2A visas go to temporary workers in the agriculture industry, while H-2B visas go to seasonal nonagricultural workers such as those in landscaping, amusement, and hospitality.
A representative for the DHS’s U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services Jan. 17 declined to comment on the reasoning behind the decision. A representative for the Haitian Embassy also didn’t respond to Bloomberg Law’s request for comment.
― Millennial Whoop, wanna fight about it? (Phil D.), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 21:33 (six years ago) link
xp agree 100%
― sleeve, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 21:33 (six years ago) link
I can't wait to hear White House Chief of Staff dismissed as "a low-level functionary" soon in trumptweets:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2018/01/17/kelly-says-some-of-trumps-campaign-pledges-on-immigration-wall-uninformed-meeting-attendees-say/
Somehow Kelly's comments AND the idea that Kelly was ever employed at the White House will both be derided as fake news.
― Gunther Gleiben (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 21:38 (six years ago) link
you know, it's almost as if the hollowing out of the entire experienced layer of professional journalists in the united states might have consequences or something
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 21:46 (six years ago) link
hanle y is always smoking in any jacket, fuiud
Oh wow. Trump, in new interview, says Obama, Bush and Clinton must have left him the North Korea problem because they knew he had the best brain, as evidenced by his score on the Montreal Cognitive Assessment. https://t.co/R3oPvUsZJr pic.twitter.com/BWGPShs12S— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) January 17, 2018
don't worry folks President Bigbrain will figure it all out
― frogbs, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 21:48 (six years ago) link
“@JeffFlake the only institution that's been threatened in #USA is that of voting. It's an institution that the socialist @DNC you’ve hopped into bed with & the #fakenews #MSM you're now prostituting yourself out to are intent on destroying” @stinchfield1776 #ClenchedFistofTruth pic.twitter.com/BRbMVCfNY2— NRATV (@NRATV) January 17, 2018
― global tetrahedron, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 21:55 (six years ago) link
Minneosota's Grand ol' Party of Fiscal Responsibility has had probs for a while
http://www.startribune.com/minnesota-gop-still-in-debt-using-credit-line-for-cash-crunch/285688091/
― bhad and bhabie (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 21:57 (six years ago) link
#ClenchedFistofTruth
1776!!!
― omar little, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 21:58 (six years ago) link
https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/57ea20991700004007ac76d8.jpeg?ops=scalefit_720_noupscale
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 22:00 (six years ago) link
i have a suggestion of what you can do with that #clenchedfistoftruth
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 22:01 (six years ago) link
So Comrade Combover decides he is tired of this and fires Mueller. Congressional Republicans say nothing and Sarah Sanders stands there and says there was never an investigation and Mueller was just some low level staffer that no one even talked with.
He openly breaks the law. He openly steals tax payer money. He openly runs his business from the White House. He openly enriches himself through tax policy he claimed would cost him a fortune. He openly states his racism and classism. Jeff Sessions rolls back civil rights laws and reignites the drug war with mandatory sentencing. Russian sanctions are dropped. Russian trolls and bots are reengaged. Voter rolls are purged of people who haven't voted since 2017. The 2018 midterm elections are a whole lot of fun.
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 23:34 (six years ago) link
ugh
On Thursday, the NYT is not running any editorials in print. The ed board is devoting the page to letters from Trump supporters. Check it out https://t.co/feU41BwXNU— Brian Stelter (@brianstelter) January 17, 2018
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 23:35 (six years ago) link
Amusing (darkly)
Included in the questions Lewandowski would not answer was: "Did you have a conversation with the president of the United States within the last 24 hours where you discussed your testimony?" said Schiff.— Billy House (@HouseInSession) January 17, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 23:36 (six years ago) link
xpostvery important to give more of a voice to perspectives like this
I’ve voted twice in my life: once for myself when I ran for Congress 10 years ago, and once for Donald Trump last year. Virtually all of my friends or colleagues actively hate Mr. Trump. I’m a minority in every circle I move in. I have a Ph.D. from the University of Chicago, and a bachelor’s and master’s from Harvard; I’m a former hedge fund trader and now an academic; I’m a journalist and author. Imagine being a Trump supporter in even one of those circles! We learn to stay quiet.How’s he doing? He has turned a fragile nation “anti-fragile” (the author Nassim Nicholas Taleb’s term). Before Mr. Trump, we were scared of any volatility. Oh no, ISIS! Oh no, banks! The more chaos there was, the worse we were.Now volatility is our friend. The more chaos, the better! Entrepreneurship up. Optimism up. Good old American problem solving is back! You know who loves change? Capitalists. Mr. Trump has led us on that spiritual exodus.PHILIP MAYMINGREENWICH, CONN.
How’s he doing? He has turned a fragile nation “anti-fragile” (the author Nassim Nicholas Taleb’s term). Before Mr. Trump, we were scared of any volatility. Oh no, ISIS! Oh no, banks! The more chaos there was, the worse we were.
Now volatility is our friend. The more chaos, the better! Entrepreneurship up. Optimism up. Good old American problem solving is back! You know who loves change? Capitalists. Mr. Trump has led us on that spiritual exodus.
PHILIP MAYMINGREENWICH, CONN.
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 23:37 (six years ago) link
what the fucking fuck
― sleeve, Wednesday, 17 January 2018 23:38 (six years ago) link
more failed "bipartisanship"
shithole trump fans
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 23:44 (six years ago) link
christ imagine being one of philip mayman’s students
― grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 23:50 (six years ago) link
That letter needs polling
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 23:55 (six years ago) link
PHILIP MAYMIN of GREENWICH, CONNECTICUT'S Opinions on Donald J. Trump, President of These United States
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 17 January 2018 23:58 (six years ago) link
so crooked hillary is ineligible because she emailed from a private server but trump is the god emperor as his former campaign CEO (erstwhile cambridge analytica VP) has an attorney (who also represents white house counsel don mcgahan and former chief of staff reince priebus) texting during congressional testimony to the white house from a smartphone. usa
― reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 18 January 2018 00:44 (six years ago) link
What is happening at the NYT in this last month
They haven't announced some new approach, right, this is just What They're Doing Now
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 18 January 2018 00:51 (six years ago) link
what the fuck is up with the stock market, that's what I want to know.
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 18 January 2018 00:59 (six years ago) link
oh boy, here we go
And the FAKE NEWS winners are...https://t.co/59G6x2f7fD— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 18, 2018
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 18 January 2018 01:01 (six years ago) link
Nixon called it the "Enemies List".
― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 18 January 2018 01:04 (six years ago) link
not surprising
https://i.imgur.com/aMsD6Bv.png
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 18 January 2018 01:06 (six years ago) link
Hosted on gop dot com. Which is "temporarily offline".
Why do people pay this much attention to the president being his usual dumbass and jerking off?
― ♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 18 January 2018 01:07 (six years ago) link
there was never a page, it's just a broken link that he'll falsely claim = proof that the page is down cos of everybody rushing to it
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Thursday, 18 January 2018 01:09 (six years ago) link
meanwhile
WASHINGTON — President Trump’s chief of staff on Wednesday told a group of Democratic lawmakers that Mr. Trump’s campaign promise to build a wall along the Mexican border was “not fully informed,” and that the president has “evolved” on the issue of immigration, participants in the meeting said....Mr. Kelly told the lawmakers that “he was the one who tempered” Mr. Trump “on the issue of the wall, on the issue of DACA,” said Representative Raúl Grijalva, Democrat of Arizona, who attended the session, which was first reported by The Washington Post.“He has basically got him to understand that a concrete wall from sea to shining sea along the southern border, that that was not going to happen for environmental, geological and other reasons, and that I think he has come to the point that he understands that barriers can mean many different things,’’ Mr. Grijalva said....“I can confirm that Chief of Staff Kelly said today that the President’s campaign was not fully informed about the wall he was promising to voters,” Mr. Gutiérrez said in a statement. “Kelly went on to say that many campaigns are not fully informed about every policy and that campaigning and governing are two different things and that governing is harder. Kelly took credit for educating the President on the wall and that a concrete barrier from sea to shining sea was no longer the conception of border security barriers supported today by the White House.”
...Mr. Kelly told the lawmakers that “he was the one who tempered” Mr. Trump “on the issue of the wall, on the issue of DACA,” said Representative Raúl Grijalva, Democrat of Arizona, who attended the session, which was first reported by The Washington Post.
“He has basically got him to understand that a concrete wall from sea to shining sea along the southern border, that that was not going to happen for environmental, geological and other reasons, and that I think he has come to the point that he understands that barriers can mean many different things,’’ Mr. Grijalva said.
...“I can confirm that Chief of Staff Kelly said today that the President’s campaign was not fully informed about the wall he was promising to voters,” Mr. Gutiérrez said in a statement. “Kelly went on to say that many campaigns are not fully informed about every policy and that campaigning and governing are two different things and that governing is harder. Kelly took credit for educating the President on the wall and that a concrete barrier from sea to shining sea was no longer the conception of border security barriers supported today by the White House.”
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 18 January 2018 01:22 (six years ago) link
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/17/us/politics/chief-of-staff-kelly-trump-not-fully-informed.html
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 18 January 2018 01:23 (six years ago) link
a wall isn't a physical barrier so much as a state of mind, a way of living if you will
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 18 January 2018 01:24 (six years ago) link
all alone, or in twos, the ones who really love, walk up and down outside the wallsome hand in hand, some gather together in bands -- the bleeding hearts and the artists make their standand when they've given their all some stagger and fall, after all, it's not easybanging your heart against some mad bugger's wall
― reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 18 January 2018 01:28 (six years ago) link
I don’t get this tax thing, all these mega corporations paying all these taxes that affect their bottom lines. I though trump was a republican. Imagine the reaction if this happened under a Dem pres. what am I missing?
― calstars, Thursday, 18 January 2018 01:36 (six years ago) link
Too predictable. I like this one better:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9yim3ZGuUc
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Thursday, 18 January 2018 01:39 (six years ago) link
the stock market might not be rational, but I think it might be kinda racist
(I’m only kind of joking)
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Thursday, 18 January 2018 02:18 (six years ago) link
It’s def not rational but at least some past bull markets were based on something more than positive republican daddy’s are in charge vibes
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 18 January 2018 02:40 (six years ago) link
http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/17/health/trump-heart-disease-gupta/index.html
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Thursday, 18 January 2018 03:09 (six years ago) link
so the fake news thing on gop.com is up, and...it's actually worth a scroll just to see how absurdly amateur hour the whole thing. everything about it - not bothering to include any sources or links on a publication that is supposed to be about the truth, being composed of a top 11 list, the 11th item of which consists of another 10 sub-items, the kinds of things that they're choosing to highlight, the pure pettiness and pointlessness of most of the items on the list , the fact that the headline is "The Highly-Anticipated 2017 Fake News Awards".
this is #11:
11. And last, but not least: "RUSSIA COLLUSION!" Russian collusion is perhaps the greatest hoax perpetrated on the American people. THERE IS NO COLLUSION!
it's typed out like that. who wrote this? did trump write this? seriously, did trump write this, because if he didn't, who else could get away with writing that? is it odd to point out that it's sort of ...messageboard style?
but seriously, the whole page is worth a look. i don't usually save entire websites, but i am archiving this shit so that i can revisit it again when i'm old
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 18 January 2018 03:22 (six years ago) link
What specifically should be sending the stock market lower? It's obviously overheated, but there isn't yet a great case that it should be done.
xxp
― Moodles, Thursday, 18 January 2018 03:27 (six years ago) link
Also, remember all those tax cuts and loosened regulations?
― Moodles, Thursday, 18 January 2018 03:28 (six years ago) link
oh so it's like those GOP surveys which are literally Colbert's "Great President...or Greatest President?" joke
― frogbs, Thursday, 18 January 2018 03:28 (six years ago) link
Depressing to debate my cubemates on Trump's unsuitability, when the majority of them gleefully relate the rise in their retirement accounts. Money wins over humanitarian and environmental concerns.
― the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Thursday, 18 January 2018 03:30 (six years ago) link
Flipside is that it won't last. Much of what is being undone now was put in place in response to the last crash, but we aren't quite to the point where people are just lighting money on fire yet.
― Moodles, Thursday, 18 January 2018 03:34 (six years ago) link
My retirement account is doing well! Trump still sucks!
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 January 2018 03:47 (six years ago) link
this nyt piece on the 6 of the early democratic presidential frontrunners (booker, warren, harris, sanders, klobuchar, gillibrand) also tries to make a point about the peril of the senate democrats running in states that trump carried:
“The Democrats running in the 10 states that Donald Trump carried have all demonstrated an ability to get elected in Republican states, so they obviously have something going for them,” said Whit Ayres, a Republican strategist. “But having the Democratic Party veer further and further to the left makes their lives substantially more difficult.”
substantially more difficult...if not for the fact that their own constituents are also moving toward the left, on the whole. the "moderates", by clinging to what they thought was the center an election or two ago, are staking their position closer and closer to the conservative edge of the party.
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 18 January 2018 04:00 (six years ago) link
Weird that the republican strategist would give democrats bad advice for winning.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 18 January 2018 05:44 (six years ago) link
yeah, but the sad part is that at least some of the 10 seem to be following their advice
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 18 January 2018 06:05 (six years ago) link
Lol someone laughed at me when I called nyt a pro-trump paper a few weeks back
― But doctor, I am Camille Paglia (Bananaman Begins), Thursday, 18 January 2018 08:07 (six years ago) link
Thank god the NYT *finally* gave the floor to Trump-supporters praising their Big Dumbass Leader...
― ♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 18 January 2018 10:19 (six years ago) link
long time coming, imo
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 18 January 2018 12:31 (six years ago) link
My retirement account contrib is 0.5%, burn it all down.
Coverage of the FNAs is so spotty! Should've gotten Ricky Gervais to host.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 18 January 2018 13:19 (six years ago) link
I tuned out after three hours.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 18 January 2018 13:21 (six years ago) link
We need the Wall for the safety and security of our country. We need the Wall to help stop the massive inflow of drugs from Mexico, now rated the number one most dangerous country in the world. If there is no Wall, there is no Deal!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 18, 2018
this racist piece of shit! Mexico is nowhere near the most dangerous country, it's a straight up lie . FUCK i hate this person
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 18 January 2018 13:35 (six years ago) link
Mexico is ranked 22nd on Global Peace Index's list of world's most dangerous countries for 2017. Top 10 perilous countries are Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, South Sudan, Yemen, Somalia, Libya, Sudan, Central African Republic and Ukraine.
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 18 January 2018 13:36 (six years ago) link
Can’t wait to book my next resort vacation in Syria
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 18 January 2018 13:37 (six years ago) link
The FBI is investigating whether a top Russian banker with ties to the Kremlin illegally funneled money to the National Rifle Association to help Donald Trump win the presidency, two sources familiar with the matter have told McClatchy.FBI counterintelligence investigators have focused on the activities of Alexander Torshin, the deputy governor of Russia’s central bank who is known for his close relationships with both Russian President Vladimir Putin and the NRA, the sources said.It is illegal to use foreign money to influence federal elections.It’s unclear how long the Torshin inquiry has been ongoing, but the news comes as Justice Department Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s sweeping investigation of Russian meddling in the 2016 election, including whether the Kremlin colluded with Trump’s campaign, has been heating up.All of the sources spoke on condition of anonymity because Mueller’s investigation is confidential and mostly involves classified information.A spokesman for Mueller’s office declined comment.
FBI counterintelligence investigators have focused on the activities of Alexander Torshin, the deputy governor of Russia’s central bank who is known for his close relationships with both Russian President Vladimir Putin and the NRA, the sources said.
It is illegal to use foreign money to influence federal elections.
It’s unclear how long the Torshin inquiry has been ongoing, but the news comes as Justice Department Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s sweeping investigation of Russian meddling in the 2016 election, including whether the Kremlin colluded with Trump’s campaign, has been heating up.
All of the sources spoke on condition of anonymity because Mueller’s investigation is confidential and mostly involves classified information.
A spokesman for Mueller’s office declined comment.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 18 January 2018 13:42 (six years ago) link
The Wall is the Wall, it has never changed or evolved from the first day I conceived of it. Parts will be, of necessity, see through and it was never intended to be built in areas where there is natural protection such as mountains, wastelands or tough rivers or water.....— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 18, 2018
― Righteous wax chaperone, rotating Wingdings (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 18 January 2018 14:08 (six years ago) link
uh oh, Kelly in the shithouse
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 18 January 2018 14:11 (six years ago) link
xp Good thing no illegal border crossings happen near water. Or wastelands.
― godzillas in the mist (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 18 January 2018 14:12 (six years ago) link
self-xp countdown to "John Kelly was only an intern who brought us some coffee that one time" in 3, 2, 1
― godzillas in the mist (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 18 January 2018 14:13 (six years ago) link
I'm of the opinion that we should give Trump his wall. A big, beautiful, unbreachable wall, twenty feet high and built in a three foot circle around where he's currently standing.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Thursday, 18 January 2018 14:16 (six years ago) link
i know, i know, it's really serious
― grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 18 January 2018 14:35 (six years ago) link
8~)
― godzillas in the mist (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 18 January 2018 14:49 (six years ago) link
The democrats should say ok “ok no wall unless it’s 100% see through” and see how that all shakes down.
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 18 January 2018 14:51 (six years ago) link
"tough rivers or water"
does he mean tough water or any water, regardless of toughness
― tobo73, Thursday, 18 January 2018 14:57 (six years ago) link
Trump upsets Republican strategy to avoid shutdown
President Trump blew up Republican strategies to keep the government open past Friday when on Thursday morning he said a long-term extension of the popular Children’s Health Insurance Program should not be part of a stopgap spending bill pending before the House. Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrumpCHIP should be part of a long term solution, not a 30 Day, or short term, extension!8:37 AM - Jan 18, 2018With a possible government shutdown looming this weekend, the House had planned to vote late Thursday on a stopgap spending bill that would keep government funding flowing to Feb. 16 as delicate negotiations continue to protect young, undocumented immigrants brought illegally as children from deportation.Republican leaders have spent the week pressuring Democrats to vote for the spending bill, arguing that opposing it would effectively block a six-year extension of the children’s health program, attached to the spending bill as a sweetener for lawmakers in both parties.Speaker Paul D. Ryan of Wisconsin said on Wednesday that it would be “unconscionable” for Democrats to oppose funding for the Children’s Health Insurance Program with a “no” vote on the short-term spending bill.But Mr. Trump’s tweet appeared to give Democrats a ready excuse to oppose the measure: the president wants the health program severed from the spending bill.
With a possible government shutdown looming this weekend, the House had planned to vote late Thursday on a stopgap spending bill that would keep government funding flowing to Feb. 16 as delicate negotiations continue to protect young, undocumented immigrants brought illegally as children from deportation.
Republican leaders have spent the week pressuring Democrats to vote for the spending bill, arguing that opposing it would effectively block a six-year extension of the children’s health program, attached to the spending bill as a sweetener for lawmakers in both parties.
Speaker Paul D. Ryan of Wisconsin said on Wednesday that it would be “unconscionable” for Democrats to oppose funding for the Children’s Health Insurance Program with a “no” vote on the short-term spending bill.
But Mr. Trump’s tweet appeared to give Democrats a ready excuse to oppose the measure: the president wants the health program severed from the spending bill.
― grawlix (unperson), Thursday, 18 January 2018 14:59 (six years ago) link
LOL bizarro xpost
― erry red flag (f. hazel), Thursday, 18 January 2018 15:00 (six years ago) link
I'm amazed by the complexity of his negotiating tactics, just marvelous.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 January 2018 15:01 (six years ago) link
wow
― sleeve, Thursday, 18 January 2018 15:01 (six years ago) link
I guess that's... good news?
tough rivers or water
As we all know, illegal immigrants can't cross water, which is why they're called "drybacks."
― godzillas in the mist (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 18 January 2018 15:02 (six years ago) link
Parts will be, of necessity, see through
The emperor's new wall
― Vinnie, Thursday, 18 January 2018 15:08 (six years ago) link
*pizza chef winking and kissing fingers*
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 18 January 2018 15:10 (six years ago) link
'see through'
'see through' ffs
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Thursday, 18 January 2018 15:13 (six years ago) link
If only there were a word that meant 'see through'.
Also, I wonder if he means that it will be just a transparent wall or like a literal forcefield. Maybe with laser turrets on top.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Thursday, 18 January 2018 15:15 (six years ago) link
When you, a freshman, ask me, a sophomore, to explain Pink Floyd to you https://t.co/Fhc2RZGfSy— Dave Itzkoff (@ditzkoff) January 18, 2018
― dan selzer, Thursday, 18 January 2018 15:15 (six years ago) link
I mean this is shit I thought about when I was playing with GI Joes at age 7 so it's presumably something he has involved opinions about.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Thursday, 18 January 2018 15:16 (six years ago) link
i really do think it could benefit the Dems if they'd stop all the priggish finger-wagging and performative outrage and just go straight up troll. hire a handful of pro comic twitter wits (who would prob do it for next to free) and just drag the absolute fuck out of Trump's gang of chuds & entire GOP. And not just on social media, I'm talking about full-bore Dem Party messaging. if nothing else it could be entertaining and might boost morale.
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Thursday, 18 January 2018 15:16 (six years ago) link
I wonder if he means that it will be just a transparent wall or like a literal forcefield.
No, no, all Border Patrol agents will be replaced with mimes. They will patrol along the border, all the while making hand motions that indicate that there is an invisible wall present. SORTED. Hashtag MAGA.
― godzillas in the mist (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 18 January 2018 15:22 (six years ago) link
(Indeed, you could even call it a MIME FIELD. You're welcome, America.)
...although watching most of these humorless nerds try and land a joke on the Sunday shows would be absolutely cringe-inducing
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Thursday, 18 January 2018 15:22 (six years ago) link
maybe Trump should start small, maybe by trying to catproof the backyard in Guantanamo or something.
― erry red flag (f. hazel), Thursday, 18 January 2018 15:23 (six years ago) link
I do think trolling would work! Fight fire with fire. They should say he wears diapers. They should say he picks his nose and eats it. They should accuse him of being a premature ejaculator who could never get it up for a porn star. He would take the bait. Every ... single ... time.
Anyway, surprised that, having learned (maybe?) the definition of a "clean" bill, that Idiot has not demanded a clean vote on the wall first, before anything else.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 18 January 2018 15:23 (six years ago) link
Just put up some signs that say "Force Field Ahead. Trespassers may fall into Hot Lava."
― President Keyes, Thursday, 18 January 2018 15:24 (six years ago) link
Fight fire with fire. They should say he wears diapers. They should say he picks his nose and eats it. They should accuse him of being a premature ejaculator who could never get it up for a porn star. He would take the bait. Every ... single ... time.
^yup.
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Thursday, 18 January 2018 15:26 (six years ago) link
“There’s been an evolutionary process that this president has gone through,” Kelly said.
arrested somewhere in homo habilis
― Hadrian VIII, Thursday, 18 January 2018 15:37 (six years ago) link
Transparent is that TV show with the guy who thinks he's a lady iirc.
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 18 January 2018 15:40 (six years ago) link
if Dems started claiming the President wears diapers he would 100% drop his pants on national TV. this is a win/win
― frogbs, Thursday, 18 January 2018 15:41 (six years ago) link
or a win/win/lose
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 18 January 2018 15:42 (six years ago) link
speaking of, Daddy Huckabee is at it again
More "breaking wind" from CNN! WH Press Corps to submit to voluntary brain scans to prove THEY aren't demented. To insure accuracy of brain scan, tests will be administered by rectal probe.— Gov. Mike Huckabee (@GovMikeHuckabee) January 17, 2018
dude should seriously consider hiring Dan Nainan to help him write a few jokes
― frogbs, Thursday, 18 January 2018 15:43 (six years ago) link
Sounds like Huckabee went to the mall this weekend and was really impressed by the comedy t-shirts at Spencers Gifts
― erry red flag (f. hazel), Thursday, 18 January 2018 15:47 (six years ago) link
ok first - it's ensure, not insure. second, isn't he basically saying that everyone in the white house has their head up their asses?
― hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Thursday, 18 January 2018 15:47 (six years ago) link
lol, nvm, you got me huckster--it's the press corps, not the WH staff!
― hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Thursday, 18 January 2018 15:48 (six years ago) link
lol reporters r dumb (my son murders animals)
― grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 18 January 2018 15:51 (six years ago) link
q][President Donald Trump will speak at Friday’s March for Life, becoming the first sitting president to address the annual anti-abortion gathering by satellite in its 45-year history.
The announcement, made on Wednesday by the White House, caps a stunning evolution for Trump, who once declared himself “pro-choice in every respect.” A year into his first term as president, anti-abortion groups are praising his record as one of the most supportive of their cause in recent memory.
Trump has successfully cemented his reputation among Christian conservatives even as headlines chronicle new details about past affairs and sexual dalliances, including with an adult-film actress. The president spends Sunday mornings on the golf course instead of in church, and freely employs a vocabulary that’s more Lenny Bruce than Father Flanagan.
For the anti-abortion movement, that’s all forgivable.[/
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 18 January 2018 16:04 (six years ago) link
reminder: Christian conservatives are full of shit
― "Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Thursday, 18 January 2018 16:06 (six years ago) link
As we all know, illegal immigrants can't cross water, which is why they're called "drybacks."― godzillas in the mist (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, January 18, 2018 4:02 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― godzillas in the mist (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, January 18, 2018 4:02 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
fp duly given but could we not use / allude to racist slurs like this?
― droit au butt (Euler), Thursday, 18 January 2018 16:07 (six years ago) link
Republicans are about to shut down the federal government so of course Grassley is jamming through a bunch of terrible judicial nominees for a vote today— Jessica Mason Pieklo (@Hegemommy) January 18, 2018
here we go
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 18 January 2018 16:13 (six years ago) link
seconding Euler
― Righteous wax chaperone, rotating Wingdings (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 18 January 2018 16:16 (six years ago) link
poll: will the federal employees who get furloughed ever return to work again
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 18 January 2018 16:22 (six years ago) link
drain the swamp!
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 18 January 2018 16:23 (six years ago) link
Euler, Casino: sorry, got carried away with finding mockable stuff in the presitweet. Intention was to mock racist attitudes/language (not embody or amplify them), but will take greater care in future. Thanks.
― godzillas in the mist (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 18 January 2018 16:30 (six years ago) link
Appreciate it, YMP.
― Righteous wax chaperone, rotating Wingdings (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 18 January 2018 16:32 (six years ago) link
Quiet news but
http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/17/politics/mueller-papadopoulos/index.html
Basically says that as long as neither Papadopoulos nor Flynn have any sort of sentencing date planned, things are active investigation-wise.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 January 2018 16:36 (six years ago) link
(Which may sound obvious, but it's the most public counter to Cobb etc going "Oh it's wrapping up." It isn't.)
paul ryan, a man with a conscience who really cares about the health of children, so much so that he repeatedly pushed for an appeal of obamacare that included drastic cuts to CHIP
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 18 January 2018 16:38 (six years ago) link
The announcement, made on Wednesday by the White House, caps a stunning evolution for Trump
― grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 18 January 2018 16:38 (six years ago) link
christ what a fucking baby
https://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/archives/2018/01/18/activists-say-tom-cotton-has-a-do-not-call-or-write-list-for-some-constituents
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Thursday, 18 January 2018 16:50 (six years ago) link
This letter is immediate notification that all communication must cease and desist immediately with all offices of US Senator Tom Cotton.All other contact will be deemed harassment and will be reported to the United States Capitol Police.The Office of US Senator Tom Cotton.
All other contact will be deemed harassment and will be reported to the United States Capitol Police.
The Office of US Senator Tom Cotton.
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Thursday, 18 January 2018 16:51 (six years ago) link
government of the people, by the people, for the people, huh
― grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 18 January 2018 16:53 (six years ago) link
doesn't cotton to communication
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 18 January 2018 16:54 (six years ago) link
Guess we're about done even pretending to have a representative government at this point, huh.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Thursday, 18 January 2018 16:58 (six years ago) link
Sen. Snowflake
― President Keyes, Thursday, 18 January 2018 17:01 (six years ago) link
lmao @ cotton that's the funniest shit i've ever seen
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 18 January 2018 17:04 (six years ago) link
worst human currently serving in US Senate? maybe. McConnell is tough competition tho
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Thursday, 18 January 2018 17:05 (six years ago) link
Sorry to hard on this, but" Honestly there are so many layers of dishonesty and so much rage-inducing demagogic hooey in the "guys, I didn't mean an actual WALL, sheesh!" tweet that I can't help thinking about them.
1. Yes, motherfucker, you most certainly did mean a real physical coast-to-coast wall (paid for by Mexico) when you were campagining primarily on that issue. The quotes will be easy to find.
2. Yes, motherfucker, your racist-as-fuck voter base most certainly did understand you to mean it that way, and that was part of what had them cheering you along so lustily. The quotes will be easy to find.
3. News flash: since its inception, the border has consisted of opaque walls in some places, "see through" walls in other places, and nothing in still other places. So the brilliant innovation being proposed here is... talking more toughly. And rilly rilly meaning it this time.
4. Now that DT has been publicly called "uninformed," Mr. Big-Brain is desperate to not have people think he's an idiot. Hence the message "it was never intended to be a non-see-through wall, and OBVIOUSLY not where there's a mountain or something, DUH."
5. You just know Trump's racist-af supporters will experience sudden, extremely convenient, collective amnesia about how full-throatedly they cheered "Build the Wall! Who's gonna pay for it? Mexico!". This is depressing but not surprising.
6. The smarter "border-security hawks" may now come out to say that OF COURSE they didn't mean a real wall, _duh_. EVERYBODY knows that there are some places wherre the topography makes a wall impractical. EVERYBODY knows that you can use sensors and drones and and and. Which was basically the position of the last several administrations. So there's really nothing new proposed, apart from Tough Talk.
7. Pro-wall-nut Trump supporters can backpedal. They only meant they were finally glad to get a REAL commitment to border security from a president who's a REAL American patriot (wink wink, know what I mean).
8. Here's the thing, though (and it is what I was trying to get at in my poorly-thought-out post upthread): aren't many border crossings currently taking place in wastelands, through water, and in mountains? Surely if border-security hawks truly meant what they say, they wouldn't let Trump weasel out with "water" as an impediment. Could it be that maybe "border security" is just hypocritical proxy for racist bullshit? Saints forfend.
9. So Trump's tweet is both a way to lazily sell out his base (without them noticing or caring) and a get-out-of-rhetorical-jail-free card. He's set the bar so low that even he can clear it. With $20 worth of chain-link, he could declare a "total wall" victory tomorrow, and basically no one on the right would call him on it.
― godzillas in the mist (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 18 January 2018 17:20 (six years ago) link
i think we're getting a shutdown
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 18 January 2018 17:20 (six years ago) link
on the military aspect of a govt shutdown: a good number of DOD employees WOULD be furloughed. about 50% of the DOD would be furloughed (according to contingency plans released in Sept 2015). in comparison, during the last shutdown scare about 1% of State Dept. employees were designated for furlough. so it's not accurate to say that the military is "unaffected" by a shutdown. of course, the 50% that would be furloughed wouldn't be the soldiers or overseas operations, it would be the more civilian-oriented jobs in the states who get categorized as "inessential" (like about 95% of EPA employees, iirc).
just throwing that out there in case you get into a shutdown argument with your terrible uncle. the military will be affected - just not the "military" that everyone thinks of
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 18 January 2018 17:24 (six years ago) link
Good
― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 18 January 2018 17:24 (six years ago) link
it's struggling in the house
OK, THIS IS BAD — we just caught up with @RepMarkMeadows and JIM JORDAN. They said the gop leadership has rejected their offer (which was a non starter) and the FREEDOM CAUCUS is still LARGELY opposed to the CR.— Jake Sherman (@JakeSherman) January 18, 2018
it sounds virtutally DOA in the senate tbh
Forget 60. They don’t have 50.— Brian Schatz (@brianschatz) January 18, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 18 January 2018 17:28 (six years ago) link
lulz
https://www.buzzfeed.com/hayesbrown/hungarian-warrant-for-sebastian-gorka?utm_term=.cmGg58RzmD#.wu8l1PyQoB
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Thursday, 18 January 2018 17:29 (six years ago) link
Mark Meadows claims there are 22 Republicans opposing CR.— Erik Wasson (@elwasson) January 18, 2018
apparently "If every Democrats votes no, leadership can lose 21 Republicans based on current attendance."
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 18 January 2018 17:30 (six years ago) link
you know what kind of New York Times Trump voter think piece we need? Head down to idiotville and ask them if they thought Trump meant a giant literal wall across the border, then ask them how they would feel if it was just a sort-of wall.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 18 January 2018 17:30 (six years ago) link
a shutdown exactly a year after inauguration, if it goes into effect at the stroke of midnight on Friday.
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 18 January 2018 17:31 (six years ago) link
that would be "mean"
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Thursday, 18 January 2018 17:32 (six years ago) link
they don't fucking care that he lies xxp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eimrJHhrNPA
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 18 January 2018 17:35 (six years ago) link
let's run government like a business
― reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 18 January 2018 17:37 (six years ago) link
never said it’d be a competently-managed business tbf
― grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 18 January 2018 17:37 (six years ago) link
President Deals strikes again
― frogbs, Thursday, 18 January 2018 17:41 (six years ago) link
To wavering Democrats: The choice isn’t between a shutdown fight now and a DREAM Act fight later; it’s between the DREAM Act now or not at all.Me on the true stakes of this fight. https://t.co/VZjfvp7QhT pic.twitter.com/PBORE4vItd— Brian Beutler (@brianbeutler) January 18, 2018
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 18 January 2018 17:41 (six years ago) link
I want to click the CNN video so I can hear what sleepwalking dood in red shirt has to say
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 January 2018 17:42 (six years ago) link
am I right that currently there isn't even a senate budget proposal for the Dems to say no to?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 18 January 2018 17:47 (six years ago) link
yes i think so. this is the clearest summary i've seen https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/17/republicans-government-shutdown-congress-344198
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 18 January 2018 17:48 (six years ago) link
(although it's from yesterday so it may be out of date already)
It's just now occurring to me that there's some kind of ideological similarity between Trumpists and suicide bombers. It's worth the sacrifice of having a pathological liar of a president who's going to make life worse for them as long as the blast also takes out those snooty Dems. Like if you were able to genetically splice a troll with an IED.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Thursday, 18 January 2018 17:52 (six years ago) link
xpost Which makes Paul Ryan an even bigger font of bullshit than usual. "Of course we have the votes in the house, it's the Dems in the Senate that are holding this up." Even though he might lack the votes in the House, and the Senate doesn't even have a bill.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 18 January 2018 17:54 (six years ago) link
President Donald Trump is backing the short-term funding legislation being pushed by House Republican leaders, the White House said Thursday, just hours after the president caused confusion in the efforts to keep the government open.
"The President supports the continuing resolution introduced in the House," White House principal deputy press secretary Raj Shah said in a statement. "Congress needs to do its job and provide full funding of our troops and military with a two year budget caps deal. However, as the deal is negotiated, the President wants to ensure our military and national security are funded. He will not let it be held hostage by Democrats."
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 January 2018 17:54 (six years ago) link
i am so, so glad that they have been unable to take away his phone and keep him locked up in his tv room.
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 18 January 2018 17:57 (six years ago) link
the brian beutler article morbs linked to is very good: https://crooked.com/article/democrats-now-never-dreamers/
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 18 January 2018 18:00 (six years ago) link
grudging lol for Frum
He tried to warn you about immigrants and crime, but would you listen? https://t.co/LfXZDVZkmF— David Frum (@davidfrum) January 18, 2018
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Thursday, 18 January 2018 18:03 (six years ago) link
(RE Gorka's outstanding warrant)
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Thursday, 18 January 2018 18:04 (six years ago) link
― Karl Malone, Saturday, January 13, 2018 5:17 PM (five days ago)
OT, but the analysis is in
1960: In the future, we'll be able to take a flying car to the moon2018: We used the data from our porn site to prove everyone in Hawaii stress masturbated after someone accidentally texted them that they were all about to killed by a missile pic.twitter.com/70aop6z1Kj— Ryan Broderick (@broderick) January 18, 2018
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 18 January 2018 18:08 (six years ago) link
Eh, that's just a reasonable percentage of "now, where was I..?"
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 18 January 2018 18:14 (six years ago) link
washington post now has a red countdown to shutdown timer on the front page
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 18 January 2018 18:29 (six years ago) link
ha i love how usage started to tick back up before the False Alarm was called
― tobo73, Thursday, 18 January 2018 18:30 (six years ago) link
right, they're like "ok, i called my parents to say I love them, and now I guess I should .... well, look, there's nothing I can do about it at this point, might as well get back to"
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 18 January 2018 18:32 (six years ago) link
“Here’s the truth, the gov't doesn’t shutdown” http://t.co/Ny6RxVYiP0 via @AP. All essential services continue. Don't believe lies.— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 23, 2013
there's always a tweet folks
feel like if you trawled through all of Trump's tweets from 2012 to 2014 you'd be able to accurately predict the rest of his presidency
― frogbs, Thursday, 18 January 2018 18:57 (six years ago) link
"don't believe lies" says tom sawyer
― reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 18 January 2018 19:34 (six years ago) link
Twitter seems uniquely bad for maintaining the worst aspects of what’s going on
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Thursday, 18 January 2018 19:46 (six years ago) link
When was the last time the government shut down while controlled by one party?— Chris Hayes (@chrislhayes) January 18, 2018
Answer: Never when it resulted in employee furloughs (ie, post 1981) https://t.co/rgjBAciYVj— Glenn Kessler (@GlennKesslerWP) January 18, 2018
The 5 largest declines in GOP popularity over past quarter-century: (1) 1995 shutdown(2) Clinton Impeachment(3) 2013 shutdown(4) Trump's election (5) 2011 debt-ceiling crisis pic.twitter.com/gPkPNVXx5f— Adrian Gray (@adrian_gray) January 17, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 18 January 2018 20:17 (six years ago) link
I bet they think the 2013 was a blip after they took the Senate and more state houses in 2014.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 January 2018 20:30 (six years ago) link
can anyone figure out what Trump meant by this
https://i.imgur.com/NW3aRWV.gif
― frogbs, Thursday, 18 January 2018 20:43 (six years ago) link
comrade combover strikes fear into the hearts of bald americans
― reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 18 January 2018 20:46 (six years ago) link
wtf Schumer why would you fund this idiot border wall
There is a STILL bipartisan deal from Sens Durbin & Graham to protect Dreamers AND fund @POTUS’s full request for the WALL. @realDonaldTrump, it's time to take yes for an answer.— Chuck Schumer (@SenSchumer) January 18, 2018
― frogbs, Thursday, 18 January 2018 21:37 (six years ago) link
what a fuckin toad
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 18 January 2018 21:54 (six years ago) link
that's awful but assuming the last person trump talks to is the freedom caucus or stephen miller, it hardly seems to matter what the democrats do
Meadows, emerging from a @freedomcaucus meeting during which he spoke with President Donald Trump by phone, said he's still opposed to the CR and suggested Trump is backing whatever he's plotting. "There's no distance between our positions," he said.— Lindsey McPherson (@lindsemcpherson) January 18, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 18 January 2018 22:00 (six years ago) link
apart from tax cuts and being super racist trump literally has no views on anything
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 18 January 2018 22:11 (six years ago) link
We post about this yet?
A modest immigration proposal: Ban Jews. (Yes, the reference is to Swift.) My column in @nytopinion: https://t.co/EYEsuCmH4V— Bret Stephens (@BretStephensNYT) January 18, 2018
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/01/18/opinion/jews-immigration-america.html
A Modest Immigration Proposal: Ban JewsBy Bret StephensJan. 18, 2018
I remember my kind-hearted "uncle Bernie." The coveted youth demographic loved him, & he was so mild-mannered, birds would land on the podium near where he stood. Anyway what if we killed him pic.twitter.com/ZP2gB8M1ND— Hot Take Appreciator (@IHateNYT) January 18, 2018
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Thursday, 18 January 2018 22:15 (six years ago) link
The number one sign of good satire is when you have to say “this is satire” in brackets after the satire. https://t.co/fVtV8nC7L8— Stefan Heck (@boring_as_heck) January 18, 2018
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 18 January 2018 22:17 (six years ago) link
at the risk of stating the obvious, if you subscribed to the NYT after the election, you should cancel your subscription.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 18 January 2018 22:22 (six years ago) link
glad he clarified which "modest proposal" he was referencing, there are so manyxpost
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 18 January 2018 22:23 (six years ago) link
heh
An all-time great Bloomberg headline 🔥🔥🔥: "Christie Blocked at VIP Entrance to Newark Airport: Police officer sends him to Terminal B with rest of nobodies" https://t.co/JS45JS3fvK— Joshua Green (@JoshuaGreen) January 18, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 18 January 2018 22:40 (six years ago) link
unfortunately I am at terminal C and missed him
― mookieproof, Thursday, 18 January 2018 22:43 (six years ago) link
jeez i totally misunderstood the meaning of ‘terminal c’ there
― grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 18 January 2018 22:59 (six years ago) link
Schumer "wall" funding was if I recall correctly just broadly border security, not specifically a giant wall. fwiw.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 18 January 2018 23:08 (six years ago) link
More Fusion GPS testimony just released.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 18 January 2018 23:20 (six years ago) link
Another fine soul
BREAKING Trump appointee @CarlHigbie has resigned after I asked for comments on racist, anti-gay, anti-Muslim, and sexist comments he made on the radio.https://t.co/MWhCJiafbO pic.twitter.com/6mD0Kk59i6— andrew kaczynski🤔 (@KFILE) January 18, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 January 2018 23:36 (six years ago) link
Re that testimony, some question as to why Nunes seems to be the only name redacted throughout.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 18 January 2018 23:47 (six years ago) link
fuck yeah
officially on the ballot! 😎🌈💕 #WeGotThis https://t.co/xn4k74SZPc pic.twitter.com/5E10eN18eS— Chelsea E. Manning (@xychelsea) January 18, 2018
― Simon H., Thursday, 18 January 2018 23:53 (six years ago) link
WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court on Thursday temporarily blocked a trial court’s order requiring North Carolina lawmakers to produce a revised congressional voting map, making it likely that the 2018 elections will be conducted using districts favorable to Republican candidates.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/18/us/politics/supreme-court-north-carolina-gerrymandering.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
Of course.
― Empire Burl Ives (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 18 January 2018 23:55 (six years ago) link
i don't even know what to say or think about these kinds of things anymore, but it appears likely that in 2006 trump asked someone to spank him with a forbes magazine with himself (and ivanka and jr) on the cover?
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/01/stormy-daniels-once-claimed-she-spanked-donald-trump-with-a-forbes-magazine/
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 18 January 2018 23:58 (six years ago) link
also xps but that is veeeeerrrry good news on lipinski
― Karl Malone, Friday, 19 January 2018 00:01 (six years ago) link
This guy
This is great: Michael Cohen *could've* shielded his identity on the formation documents for the LLC he set up to preserve anonymity for the Stormy Daniels payment. Instead, he listed himself as an "authorized person." https://t.co/DGlbPg4BFZ pic.twitter.com/EiBrjDinhk— Rebecca Ballhaus (@rebeccaballhaus) January 18, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 19 January 2018 00:09 (six years ago) link
Campos has a good reaction imohttp://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2018/01/trumped-up-a-novel
― El Tomboto, Friday, 19 January 2018 00:09 (six years ago) link
america elected a 1980s frank zappa song president
― Arnold Schoenberg Steals (rushomancy), Friday, 19 January 2018 00:19 (six years ago) link
McDaniel accuses Cory Booker of "mansplaining" to Nielsen the other day.
god the right does love a good bit of concern trolling
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Friday, 19 January 2018 01:10 (six years ago) link
CNN: HOUSE VOTES TO AVERT SHUTDOWN, FATE IN SENATE UNCLEARMSNBC: HOUSE VOTES 230-197 TO FUND GOV FOR LESS THAN A MONTH, SENATE VOTE IN QUESTIONFOX: ONLINE SURVEY: “POLICE OFFICER” RISING IN POPULARITY IN WHAT KIDS WANT TO BE WHEN THEY GROW UP pic.twitter.com/g4yqwhBPFs— Haley Byrd (@byrdinator) January 19, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 19 January 2018 01:12 (six years ago) link
Presumably POTUS' next tweet will be about law enforcement then
― attention vampire (MatthewK), Friday, 19 January 2018 02:19 (six years ago) link
so what the fuck is this stupid O'Keefian memo that Nunes supposedly cobbled together
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Friday, 19 January 2018 05:11 (six years ago) link
http://i63.tinypic.com/65cox4.png
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Friday, 19 January 2018 05:29 (six years ago) link
https://qz.com/1182382/donald-trump-hope-hicks-and-sarah-huckabee-sanders-finally-a-photo-as-the-rumors-describe-it/
god I can't wait for those piss yellow curtains to come down
― El Tomboto, Friday, 19 January 2018 12:45 (six years ago) link
fake news - trump is merely complimenting hicks on her hair as sanders looks on, awestruck
― grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 19 January 2018 12:48 (six years ago) link
can't believe how huge Sanders hands are compared to Trump's.
― nashwan, Friday, 19 January 2018 12:49 (six years ago) link
tbf the image was taken with a wide-angle lens, which tend to be unkind to people at the edge of the frame
― grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 19 January 2018 12:52 (six years ago) link
naw she's on some Hellboy shit tho
― nashwan, Friday, 19 January 2018 12:54 (six years ago) link
here's a more extreme example of what i'm talking about:
https://i.imgur.com/h6eKRfq.jpg
more concerning to me is that she appears to have a prosthetic hand attached by a metal ring at her wrist, which presumably can be swapped out for flamethrowers, grappling hooks etc as required
― grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 19 January 2018 12:58 (six years ago) link
GANDALF
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Friday, 19 January 2018 13:03 (six years ago) link
so is the government shutting down today yea or nay
― frogbs, Friday, 19 January 2018 13:49 (six years ago) link
Yea
― hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Friday, 19 January 2018 13:55 (six years ago) link
not really willing to dive into the twitter hole this morning but what is this trending robot #releasethememo thing
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 19 January 2018 13:59 (six years ago) link
it's the wiretap thing all over again
not gonna dive into this but I'm sure Trump could release it if he wanted to
― frogbs, Friday, 19 January 2018 14:00 (six years ago) link
What it is intended to be, I suspect, is enough of a smokescreen for Trump to fire Mueller.
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 19 January 2018 14:08 (six years ago) link
Have any Dems just turned the tables and called the GOP bluff re: shutdown? "You guys always want to cut, to reduce, to dismantle, to shrink government. Isn't this what you want? Isn't a shutdown your dream come true?"
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 19 January 2018 14:10 (six years ago) link
And re: whatever the memo BS is, it's never the piles and piles of suspicious or incriminating stuff out in the open, it's always the super-secret suppressed document, right? That's why they do things again and again - Benghazi, emails, Loretta Lynch, whatever - because eventually, that super-secret suppressed document will eventually be found, right?
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 19 January 2018 14:12 (six years ago) link
I have read the memo. The sickening reality has set in. I no longer hold out hope there is an innocent explanation for the information the public has seen. I have long said it is worse than Watergate. It was #neverTrump & #alwaysHillary. #releasethememo— Steve King (@SteveKingIA) January 19, 2018
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 19 January 2018 14:13 (six years ago) link
convincing!
― grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 19 January 2018 14:15 (six years ago) link
If you can't trust Steve King (and an army of Russia-affiliated bots on Twitter) pushing this theme, then really, who can you trust?
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 19 January 2018 14:30 (six years ago) link
Getting a real strong vibe of 'oh yes PLEASE don't subpoena me Mr. Mueller' here. Probably vaporware but even so.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/omarosa-taped-confidential-white-house-discussions-article-1.3765147?cid=bitly
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 19 January 2018 15:07 (six years ago) link
“Everyone knows Omarosa loves to record people and meetings using the voice notes app on her iPhone,” a source disclosed. “Don’t be surprised if she has secret audio files on everyone in that White House, past and present staffers included.”
taking bets on who this source is btw
― grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 19 January 2018 15:12 (six years ago) link
lol if Omarosa goes down as a pivotal figure in American history, this is exactly how the reality show presidency is supposed to end
― frogbs, Friday, 19 January 2018 15:13 (six years ago) link
The sickening reality of Steve King has set in. He is such an insufferable tool.
― Brave Combover (Dan Peterson), Friday, 19 January 2018 15:18 (six years ago) link
"One small step for Manigault..."
― godzillas in the mist (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 19 January 2018 15:20 (six years ago) link
lmao at this part of the Stormy Daniels interview
“You could see the television from the little dining room table and he was watching Shark Week and he was watching a special about the U.S.S. something and it sank and it was like the worst shark attack in history,” Daniels said.“He is obsessed with sharks. Terrified of sharks. He was like, “I donate to all these charities and I would never donate to any charity that helps sharks. I hope all the sharks die,’” she said.“He was like riveted. He was like obsessed. It’s so strange, I know.”
“He is obsessed with sharks. Terrified of sharks. He was like, “I donate to all these charities and I would never donate to any charity that helps sharks. I hope all the sharks die,’” she said.
“He was like riveted. He was like obsessed. It’s so strange, I know.”
Sorry folks, I'm just not a fan of sharks - and don't worry, they will be around long after we are gone.— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 4, 2013
Sharks are last on my list - other than perhaps the losers and haters of the World!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 4, 2013
― frogbs, Friday, 19 January 2018 15:24 (six years ago) link
So basically we just need to arrange an outing to an aquarium where Trump is forced to a) descend a staircase in order to get to b) an underground shark tank and he will basically die from the fear.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Friday, 19 January 2018 15:29 (six years ago) link
USS something
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Indianapolis_(CA-35)
― bread bags of courage (brownie), Friday, 19 January 2018 15:31 (six years ago) link
the story of shark phobia and the tweets to reinforce it is just hilarious.
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 19 January 2018 15:36 (six years ago) link
ok sharks on enemies list is the greatest thing ever
didn't Colbert have bears at the top his Greatest Threats list??
― Empire Burl Ives (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 19 January 2018 15:40 (six years ago) link
Sorry folks, I'm just not a fan of sharks
Well, they were a pretty second-tier 70s rock band tbf
https://img.discogs.com/6WgGCtN6HYxPuj7Bs8ah7dojeAI=/fit-in/300x300/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(40)/discogs-images/R-6669589-1424273258-8037.jpeg.jpg
― Brave Combover (Dan Peterson), Friday, 19 January 2018 15:45 (six years ago) link
kind of makes you wonder why he didn't get the role in Sharknado 3. perhaps afraid to confront his fears??
― frogbs, Friday, 19 January 2018 15:48 (six years ago) link
first things first watch what you say out your mouth/when you talkin on the phone to hu-stl-ers
― bhad and bhabie (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 19 January 2018 15:50 (six years ago) link
LOL, every mobile sound system owner in the UK just made a mental note re: JAWS soundtrack if dude ever dares visit after all.
― kim jong deal (suzy), Friday, 19 January 2018 15:51 (six years ago) link
OMG, let us all pool our money to buy ad time during Fox and Friends and air what appears to be a breaking news alert about a sharknado approaching DC.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Friday, 19 January 2018 15:51 (six years ago) link
Source with knowledge tells me the Nunes memo is "a level of irresponsible stupidity that I cannot fathom. Purposefully misconstrues facts and leaves out important details." https://t.co/YmzmrHvpYG— Natasha Bertrand (@NatashaBertrand) January 19, 2018
ok makes sense now
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 19 January 2018 15:55 (six years ago) link
i didnt know it was a Nunes thing
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 19 January 2018 15:56 (six years ago) link
Alana Evans, the porn actress invited to join a three-way with Stormy Daniels and Donald Trump, has given an interview to Fleshbot. Rather than link, I'll just quote.
“Stormy and I are good friends and when a girl calls another girl for a situation like that, it means you are calling someone you are comfortable with and that felt really good for our friendship. If it wasn’t Donald Trump, I probably would have said yes. He was the factor, he was the reason why I said no.”..."I would hook with Ron Jeremy before I would hook up with Donald Trump....It’s completely who he (Trump) is. He is a powerful and powerful men are dangerous when it comes to a woman like myself. If anything bad happens to a woman like myself in a situation like that, my words mean nothing."
"I would hook with Ron Jeremy before I would hook up with Donald Trump....It’s completely who he (Trump) is. He is a powerful and powerful men are dangerous when it comes to a woman like myself. If anything bad happens to a woman like myself in a situation like that, my words mean nothing."
― grawlix (unperson), Friday, 19 January 2018 16:00 (six years ago) link
After weighing it for a moment, I think I might prefer President Ron Jeremy to President Donald Trump.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Friday, 19 January 2018 16:03 (six years ago) link
Ron Jeremy's a smart dude. He was a teacher for several years before getting into porn.
― grawlix (unperson), Friday, 19 January 2018 16:07 (six years ago) link
I'm confused about dudes like Nunes. Like, he's seen the intel, right? So whether he's suppressing that or putting out disinformation, he's actively covering up or interfering, right? Why? It's one thing to vote on or support policy or agendas, but why actively interfere with investigations?
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 19 January 2018 16:20 (six years ago) link
Yeah totally https://t.co/Y3j8KC1WMl— Preet Bharara (@PreetBharara) January 19, 2018
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 19 January 2018 16:28 (six years ago) link
GOP leadership is in a prolonged huddle on the floor — they seem to be discussing what to tell members to do as they wait for the senate to act.— Jake Sherman (@JakeSherman) January 19, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 19 January 2018 16:33 (six years ago) link
some follow up on the big APPLE IS COMING BACK TO THE US story via beat the press
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/17/technology/apple-tax-bill-repatriate-cash.htmlThis is what bringing money back to the United States means. Under the old tax law, companies often attributed legal control of profits to foreign subsidiaries, so that they could defer paying taxes on this money. However, the money was often actually held in the United States since Apple could tell the subsidiary to keep the money wherever it wanted.For this reason, the economic significance of bringing the money back to the United States is almost zero. The legal change of ownership is leading to the collection of taxes, but this is in lieu of the considerably larger tax liability that Apple faced under the old law. It would have been helpful if these points were made more clearly in this NYT piece. It does usefully point out that we don't know the extent to which the expansion plans announced by Apple would have occurred even without the tax cut.
This is what bringing money back to the United States means. Under the old tax law, companies often attributed legal control of profits to foreign subsidiaries, so that they could defer paying taxes on this money. However, the money was often actually held in the United States since Apple could tell the subsidiary to keep the money wherever it wanted.
For this reason, the economic significance of bringing the money back to the United States is almost zero. The legal change of ownership is leading to the collection of taxes, but this is in lieu of the considerably larger tax liability that Apple faced under the old law. It would have been helpful if these points were made more clearly in this NYT piece. It does usefully point out that we don't know the extent to which the expansion plans announced by Apple would have occurred even without the tax cut.
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Friday, 19 January 2018 16:49 (six years ago) link
wait are taxes good or bad now, i’m confused
― grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 19 January 2018 16:55 (six years ago) link
Taxes are good when the burden for paying them is largely on those who have the least money to pay them.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Friday, 19 January 2018 17:00 (six years ago) link
its all just a reward to apple for their successful tax laundering schemes. innovation!
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 19 January 2018 17:06 (six years ago) link
there's plenty of room at the hotel shithole lago
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 19 January 2018 17:12 (six years ago) link
Just interviews @LindseyGrahamSC - says up to POTUS to decide what he wants in an immigration deal & stick with it. He won’t vote for 30 day CR. Dinged @TomCottonAR as “Steve King of the Senate.” Stay tuned to @MSNBC— Garrett Haake (@GarrettHaake) January 19, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 19 January 2018 17:25 (six years ago) link
I'm assuming ol pal Lindsey thought he could control trump through his golf diplomacy, it blew up in his stupid face and now he mad
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 19 January 2018 17:34 (six years ago) link
you can't blame graham for being mad, he has a great point about how the military needs more money
https://i.imgur.com/QADaFNE.png
― Karl Malone, Friday, 19 January 2018 17:40 (six years ago) link
no joke: this piece of information, more than any other, suggests to me that some sort of budget bill will be passed by tomorrow, possibly even today:
President Donald Trump was initially scheduled to fly to Mar-a-Lago Friday afternoon, but given the tough odds the Senate faces in keeping the government open, it appears Trump will not leave for his Palm Beach estate until the Senate passes a funding bill.A White House spokesperson told reporters at the White House that the President would delay his trip until a shutdown is averted, according to CNN.
A White House spokesperson told reporters at the White House that the President would delay his trip until a shutdown is averted, according to CNN.
― Karl Malone, Friday, 19 January 2018 17:43 (six years ago) link
he must be fucking fuming
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 19 January 2018 17:45 (six years ago) link
"I will sign anything!" (that lets me go on vacation again)
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 19 January 2018 17:46 (six years ago) link
Yeah I mean he gives basically zero shits about any issues of governance but he'll be goddamned if anyone's getting in the way of his sittin' around time.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Friday, 19 January 2018 17:51 (six years ago) link
apparently he's meeting with schumer.
i think he sincerely believes a shutdown would be good for him, but he understands that a a weekend of golf with gala celebrating his one year anniversary scheduled tomorrow night would not be a good luck.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 19 January 2018 17:54 (six years ago) link
Trump hates missing recess.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 19 January 2018 17:55 (six years ago) link
Heard an interview with Chris Coons saying that Schumer had a laundry list of long delayed stuff he wanted added in, from disaster relief to DACA to stuff that had been sitting around for 6 years.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 19 January 2018 17:56 (six years ago) link
I sincerely believe that Trump also gives basically zero shits about what is or is not a good look.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Friday, 19 January 2018 17:57 (six years ago) link
https://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_1484w/Users/clementsf/By%2021-point%20margin,%20independents%20say%20Trump%20and%20Republicans%20are%20more%20responsible%20for%20possible%20government%20shutdown.jpg?uuid=pCx8pv05Eeeka6NhRTC9hw
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 19 January 2018 17:57 (six years ago) link
Am told that the meeting with the president is supposed to be just @realDonaldTrump and @SenSchumer — a one-on-one between the two of them.— Michael D. Shear (@shearm) January 19, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 19 January 2018 17:59 (six years ago) link
I think your source isn't telling the truth. If they've worked with Nunes for long, they can fathom any level of irresponsible stupidity.— Matthew Miller (@matthewamiller) January 19, 2018
lmaooooooooooo
― frogbs, Friday, 19 January 2018 18:01 (six years ago) link
if you expand the details on those WashPo poll results, independents said:
46%: Trump & Republicans to blame25%: Democrats to blame23%: both sides equally to blame (barf)1%: neither (aka illuminati)5%: no opinion
so 46% of independents blame Trump & Republicans, but 48% blame either the democrats or think "both sides" are equally to blame
― Karl Malone, Friday, 19 January 2018 18:04 (six years ago) link
lol Schumer's gonna get everything he's asking for isn't he
― frogbs, Friday, 19 January 2018 18:06 (six years ago) link
also notable: the party affiliation in the poll was:
31% dem23% rep40% independent
― Karl Malone, Friday, 19 January 2018 18:06 (six years ago) link
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries),
yep
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 January 2018 18:07 (six years ago) link
xp true, but at least "both sides equally to blame" won't push people to vote R, right?
― the late great, Friday, 19 January 2018 18:07 (six years ago) link
I sincerely believe that Trump also gives basically zero shits about what is or is not a good look.― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Friday, January 19, 2018 12:57 PM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
inclined to think to the contrary that it's the only thing he cares about (after money) but has no earthly idea how to go about it
― Empire Burl Ives (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 19 January 2018 18:08 (six years ago) link
for people not following the details, the current president, whoever that is, is to blame
for people following the details, the current president is also to blame.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 19 January 2018 18:10 (six years ago) link
I'm assuming ol pal Lindsey thought he could control trump through his golf diplomacy
Trump will tell anyone anything they want to hear, then do whatever he feels like doing, even if it is the opposite of what he might have done, if he'd done it an hour sooner.
― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 19 January 2018 18:16 (six years ago) link
Schumer is fully capable of getting semi-fleeced by Yam
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 19 January 2018 18:16 (six years ago) link
lol @ Congressional Republicans right now, everyone knows that Trump adopts the opinion of the last person he talks to and that person's gonna be Chuck Schumer
― frogbs, Friday, 19 January 2018 18:16 (six years ago) link
this is the stupidest time to be alive
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 19 January 2018 18:17 (six years ago) link
until tomorrow
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Friday, 19 January 2018 18:20 (six years ago) link
stephen miller will be in the room
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 19 January 2018 18:22 (six years ago) link
art of the deal, baby
― godzillas in the mist (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 19 January 2018 18:24 (six years ago) link
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, January 19, 2018 1:17 PM (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Friday, January 19, 2018 1:20 PM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, January 19, 2018 1:22 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― godzillas in the mist (Ye Mad Puffin),
someone get underrated aero to write a melody for these lyrics plz
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 January 2018 18:29 (six years ago) link
*quickly contacts lawyer to get a cut of spotify royalties*
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Friday, 19 January 2018 18:34 (six years ago) link
At this point, couldn't we just replace Trump with one of those dolls where you can squeeze its hand to record and play back a voice message? And whoever manages to be the last one to record over everyone else's policy position with their own wins? Because the only major difference I see between that scenario and the one we find ourselves in is that a doll runs considerably less risk of causing international incidents with careless tweets.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Friday, 19 January 2018 18:40 (six years ago) link
well, we don't have a president, we have a doll whose ample tummy his aides squeeze and he tweets
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 January 2018 18:41 (six years ago) link
but mr. trump told us mexico will pay for the wall. did the democrats get to them, too?
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 19 January 2018 19:09 (six years ago) link
#Senate Democrats have a choice to make. This should be a no-brainer... pic.twitter.com/zdUFXxclZ9— Leader McConnell (@SenateMajLdr) January 19, 2018
McConnell you evil fuck
― frogbs, Friday, 19 January 2018 19:11 (six years ago) link
You mean a Sophie's Choice, dickface?
― Empire Burl Ives (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 19 January 2018 19:12 (six years ago) link
it's a fun idea to directly compare the potential suffering of one large group of people with another and then force people to pick one
― Karl Malone, Friday, 19 January 2018 19:14 (six years ago) link
counterpoint
This is true. Rs need to figure out what they actually want for Dreamers. GOP message now is:"Of course we want to protect the sympathetic Dreamers, so give us concessions for doing that. Oh wait, you're not giving us enough? You're shutting down the gov't over AMNESTY!" https://t.co/UczcZbK6DL— Greg Sargent (@ThePlumLineGS) January 19, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 19 January 2018 19:17 (six years ago) link
wrong tweet, meant to post this one
This fact keeps getting lost, but it's important.The dispute isn't over *whether* to protect the Dreamers.Trump & many Rs say they want to do that.Rather, the dispute is over *what Trump gets in return* for doing what he says he wants to do anyway:https://t.co/Ut02trOWHq pic.twitter.com/zdl6w9AcQK— Greg Sargent (@ThePlumLineGS) January 19, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 19 January 2018 19:18 (six years ago) link
anyway my prediction is a deal gets worked out because Trump doesn't want to lose money by missing his weekend golf fundraiser
― frogbs, Friday, 19 January 2018 19:23 (six years ago) link
it's really depressing because you're probably otm
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 19 January 2018 19:25 (six years ago) link
http://www.businessinsider.com/release-the-memo-campaign-russia-linked-twitter-accounts-2018-1
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 19 January 2018 19:28 (six years ago) link
twitter is cancer
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 19 January 2018 19:29 (six years ago) link
you can treat cancer
― grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 19 January 2018 19:31 (six years ago) link
I hear and obey Alfred
https://vocaroo.com/i/s1gckX2V6utK
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 19 January 2018 19:32 (six years ago) link
Tom Cotton: "The difference between Steve King and Lindsey Graham is Steve King can actually win an election in Iowa." Reporters actually went "oooooh" after.— Paul McLeod (@pdmcleod) January 19, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 19 January 2018 19:32 (six years ago) link
lol xp
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 19 January 2018 19:34 (six years ago) link
Reporters are saps.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 January 2018 19:43 (six years ago) link
anyway who's gonna start the countdown to the Dems inevitably caving
― frogbs, Friday, 19 January 2018 19:46 (six years ago) link
Ye of justifiably little faith.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Friday, 19 January 2018 19:52 (six years ago) link
idk I kinda want to believe Schumer knows how badly Trump wants to get to Mar-a-Lago but then I remembered his last attempt at saving the Dreamers resulted in the Republican tax bill passing and 0 Dreamers saved so yeah
― frogbs, Friday, 19 January 2018 19:54 (six years ago) link
kudos
― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 19 January 2018 19:58 (six years ago) link
omigod aero
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 January 2018 20:03 (six years ago) link
Amazing.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 19 January 2018 20:08 (six years ago) link
again, if i don't get a lyricist credit here, my representation will be in touchotoh, that's one of the cooler things to happen to me today so
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Friday, 19 January 2018 20:10 (six years ago) link
The songwriting credits will read something you'd see on a Beyonce album.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 January 2018 20:12 (six years ago) link
loool
― Karl Malone, Friday, 19 January 2018 20:13 (six years ago) link
Okay, I guess a Trump presidency was worth it, after all.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Friday, 19 January 2018 20:13 (six years ago) link
well great, now i have to wait 6 hours to hear this.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 19 January 2018 20:15 (six years ago) link
This is pretty depressing and embarrassing for the ACLU
The Intelligence Committee memo about government surveillance abuses should have been made public and given to members of Congress before the FISA Section 702 vote.Trump must veto the bill so there can be a real debate on these powers. https://t.co/VZOLmYXdrj— ACLU (@ACLU) January 19, 2018
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, 19 January 2018 20:17 (six years ago) link
xp it's worth waiting for!
― sleeve, Friday, 19 January 2018 20:17 (six years ago) link
wtf ACLU ? giving credence to the BS nunes memo ?
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 19 January 2018 20:23 (six years ago) link
I hear and obey Alfred https://vocaroo.com/i/s1gckX2V6utK
haha
― godzillas in the mist (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 19 January 2018 20:30 (six years ago) link
Federal prosecutors are seeking to retry U.S. Sen. Robert Menendez on bribery and corruption charges after an earlier trial ended in a deadlocked jury last fall.
The U.S. District Court in New Jersey filed its notice of intent Friday to retry the Democrat senator along with Florida doctor Salomon Melgen.
“An early retrial date is the best interests of the public, and the United States is available to schedule a retrial at the court’s earliest convenience,” court filings said.
The judge in Menendez’s trial declared a hung jury after more than six full days of deliberations. Ten of 12 jurors wanted to acquit the senator, but two disagreed.
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Federal-Prosecutors-Request-Retrial-Senator-Robert-Menendez-470157193.html
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 19 January 2018 20:32 (six years ago) link
useful rogues gallery
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/trumps-biggest-enablers-congress-russia-investigation
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 19 January 2018 20:37 (six years ago) link
Joan's ditty is up there with "A Blind Man's Penis" in the set-your-lyrics-to-music dept.
― WilliamC, Friday, 19 January 2018 21:09 (six years ago) link
so do all those people who believe in Th3 St0rm think that St0rmy D4niels is a false flag or what
― maura, Friday, 19 January 2018 21:19 (six years ago) link
the is the St0rm that was cumming
btw I don't recommend searching pornhub for Stormy Daniels. Or maybe I do.
― akm, Friday, 19 January 2018 21:21 (six years ago) link
no , but where can we see pornhub search trends?
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 19 January 2018 21:23 (six years ago) link
SFW answer: https://www.pornhub.com/insights/
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Friday, 19 January 2018 21:25 (six years ago) link
lol that DC comparison
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 19 January 2018 21:27 (six years ago) link
No deal, for the moment:
‘Some progress’ was made, Senate minority leader says.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 19 January 2018 21:31 (six years ago) link
Neither Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) nor House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) attended the White House meeting, according to GOP aides. House members were advised to remain in Washington on Friday in case of “additional procedural votes,” and Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn (R-Texas) said there would be a vote to end debate on the spending bill in the late afternoon or early evening.Cornyn said he spoke with Trump chief of staff John F. Kelly, who said the president told Schumer to “go back and talk to Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell and work it out, so I think that’s the best way to handle this.”
Cornyn said he spoke with Trump chief of staff John F. Kelly, who said the president told Schumer to “go back and talk to Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell and work it out, so I think that’s the best way to handle this.”
In other words, Trump punted, like a coward.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 19 January 2018 21:33 (six years ago) link
I seriously don't see why the GOP wants to keep the government running. Isn't this their dream come true? All the shit they consider important (like the military and, well, the military) keeps going, so what's their problem? Have they ever even articulated how they can be antigovernment but pro keeping the government running?
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 19 January 2018 21:52 (six years ago) link
being antigovernment is more of a feeling than a position. no one can define it, but they know it when they see it.
― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 19 January 2018 21:58 (six years ago) link
aaaannnd Joe Donnelly will vote to keep gov't open
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 January 2018 22:00 (six years ago) link
my aesthetic is furloughed bureaucrat
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 19 January 2018 22:05 (six years ago) link
it's more than a feeling when i hear that the government is the problem. i begin dreaming till i see mar-a-lago's fairway. i see my mar-a-lago fairway WAY AY
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 19 January 2018 22:09 (six years ago) link
Sounds like the fire under the butt to the GOP right now is actually going to Davos Switzerland. It's like the threat of them of missing the class trip because they have to stay behind and finish their work.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 19 January 2018 22:27 (six years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DT7-DnGWkAAf1xn.jpg
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 19 January 2018 22:33 (six years ago) link
xp to be fair, they're only sending two people, and i wouldn't be surprised if the dems weren't sending more:
There are **TWO** members of Congress scheduled to go to Davos. @GOPLeader and @RepMarkMeadows. https://t.co/LbVXDcfkP5— Jake Sherman (@JakeSherman) January 19, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 19 January 2018 22:34 (six years ago) link
Trump is going.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 19 January 2018 22:38 (six years ago) link
Charges now dropped for 129 of the 200+ inauguration protesters who'd been facing down felony riot since April of last year
https://www.courthousenews.com/riot-charges-dropped-against-129-inauguration-day-protesters/
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 19 January 2018 22:44 (six years ago) link
its almost as if this was chilling effect horseshit from day 1
no deal btwn Schmuck & Putz
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 19 January 2018 22:48 (six years ago) link
In a disconcerting turn of irony, Scott Pruitt has announced the EPA will remain open next week even if there is a shutdown.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 19 January 2018 23:06 (six years ago) link
given how angry I am at my next door neighbor for putting her garbage can over the property line next to our house, and also leaving her decaying xmas wreath on the street in front of my house for two weeks, I sympathise with Paul's neighbor
― akm, Friday, 19 January 2018 23:36 (six years ago) link
I sympathize with anyone arrested for punching him.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 19 January 2018 23:36 (six years ago) link
watching mulvaney on cspan. he is a very frustrated and combative man
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 20 January 2018 00:20 (six years ago) link
he just blamed the democrats for wanting "extra" things in the bill. when a reporter asked why daca/dreamer protection isn't included in the deal, since most republicans seem to support it, he said that daca isn't isn't in it "because it's not ready"
ok
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 20 January 2018 00:23 (six years ago) link
cloture vote set for 10pm EST btw
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 20 January 2018 00:28 (six years ago) link
somehow the righteousness of bob menendez' condemnations of the republicans in his senate floor speech is diminished by his being bob menendez
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 20 January 2018 00:48 (six years ago) link
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 20 January 2018 00:55 (six years ago) link
liberal stalwart doug jones, supporter of NSA surveillance on US citizens, shocks the world and joins donnelly, heitkamp and manchin in favor of the CR.
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 20 January 2018 01:48 (six years ago) link
god, who voted for that guy?
― (the blues version in his Broadway show) (crüt), Saturday, 20 January 2018 02:22 (six years ago) link
COONS just gave a long readout of the situation: - Dems want at least agreement on path forward/talks on DACA and other issues- But leaders can't agree - So Dems won't support 3-wk CR- Shutdown happening - And Big floor speeches coming soon.— Lisa Desjardins (@LisaDNews) January 20, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 20 January 2018 03:07 (six years ago) link
yep. vote already failed, it's just a matter of waiting for the final tally.
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 20 January 2018 03:28 (six years ago) link
Over past few days Trump has vented his frustrations that a shutdown would keep him from Mar-a-Lago, @lachlan and @swin24 scoophttps://t.co/RUXnMgJJfV— Sam Stein (@samstein) January 20, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 20 January 2018 03:38 (six years ago) link
He's really just a perpetual 13-year old isn't he?
― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 20 January 2018 03:40 (six years ago) link
is this the first time being President got in the way of golfing and promoting his business?
― frogbs, Saturday, 20 January 2018 03:42 (six years ago) link
one of the upsides of this is it will drive him insane
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 20 January 2018 03:42 (six years ago) link
The Saturday gala is set to be hosted by Ronna Romney McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee, and businessman Steve Wynn, and proceeds will go toward the RNC and the Trump re-election campaign.The event, which the president had been scheduled to headline, was a hot ticket in Trump-world. Ticket prices started at $100,000 a pair, according to an invitation obtained by Bloomberg, with that sum paying for dinner and a photo op with President Trump. High-rollers forking over $250,000 get to participate in a roundtable.
The event, which the president had been scheduled to headline, was a hot ticket in Trump-world. Ticket prices started at $100,000 a pair, according to an invitation obtained by Bloomberg, with that sum paying for dinner and a photo op with President Trump. High-rollers forking over $250,000 get to participate in a roundtable.
wow, fuck every single person in the room
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 20 January 2018 03:43 (six years ago) link
i kind of think he might just go anyway.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DT9F4yVXUAAUXGi.jpg
hmm
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 20 January 2018 03:43 (six years ago) link
Trump probably thanks a government shutdown means he doesn't have to go to work. Even less than usual.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 20 January 2018 03:49 (six years ago) link
god the NYT is awful, the GOP didn't even have the votes in their own caucus
― frogbs, Saturday, 20 January 2018 03:59 (six years ago) link
hey everybody, we have no government now
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Saturday, 20 January 2018 06:02 (six years ago) link
The Purge is on!!!
― nickn, Saturday, 20 January 2018 06:05 (six years ago) link
also via their daily propaganda eblast:
Life Is Winning in AmericaIn National Review, Vice President Mike Pence writes that “since the outset of this administration, we’ve taken historic action to protect the most vulnerable in our society.”“In short, life is winning in America again,” the Vice President Pence explains. “It’s winning because of the policies of our administration, and because of the commitment and compassion of those who gather today in our nation’s capital, and in marches, meetings, and homes all across the country.”
In National Review, Vice President Mike Pence writes that “since the outset of this administration, we’ve taken historic action to protect the most vulnerable in our society.”
“In short, life is winning in America again,” the Vice President Pence explains. “It’s winning because of the policies of our administration, and because of the commitment and compassion of those who gather today in our nation’s capital, and in marches, meetings, and homes all across the country.”
these cowardly fucks
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Saturday, 20 January 2018 06:05 (six years ago) link
we’ve taken historic action to protect the most vulnerable in our society.
Did this man even look at the AHCA that Ryan tried to foist on us?
― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 20 January 2018 06:07 (six years ago) link
LIFE IS WINNING is the dumbest slogan in the history of giant ministerial ziggurats
― difficult listening hour, Saturday, 20 January 2018 06:10 (six years ago) link
Happy Anniversary Mister President!
― Empire Burl Ives (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 20 January 2018 06:25 (six years ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/20/with-government-shutdown-republicans-reap-what-they-sow
― the salacious inaudible (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Saturday, 20 January 2018 07:42 (six years ago) link
Uggggggghh. This is not the news I wanted to wake up to.
― Mr. Snrub, Saturday, 20 January 2018 12:13 (six years ago) link
Why do I have a terrible feeling this shutdown is gonna last a lot longer than the other ones?
― Mr. Snrub, Saturday, 20 January 2018 12:14 (six years ago) link
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 20 January 2018 12:32 (six years ago) link
Democrats are far more concerned with Illegal Immigrants than they are with our great Military or Safety at our dangerous Southern Border. They could have easily made a deal but decided to play Shutdown politics instead. #WeNeedMoreRepublicansIn18 in order to power through mess!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 20, 2018
This is the One Year Anniversary of my Presidency and the Democrats wanted to give me a nice present. #DemocratShutdown— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 20, 2018
For those asking, the Republicans only have 51 votes in the Senate, and they need 60. That is why we need to win more Republicans in 2018 Election! We can then be even tougher on Crime (and Border), and even better to our Military & Veterans!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 20, 2018
#AMERICA FIRST!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 20, 2018
― Righteous wax chaperone, rotating Wingdings (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 20 January 2018 13:05 (six years ago) link
the Republican "no"s btw: ArizonaSen. Jeff Flake, Republican: NOKentuckySen. Mitch McConnell, Republican: NOSen. Rand Paul, Republican: NOSouth CarolinaSen. Lindsey Graham, Republican NOUtahSen. Mike Lee, Republican: NOhttp://www.cnn.com/2018/01/20/politics/senate-vote-government-shutdown/index.html
― Righteous wax chaperone, rotating Wingdings (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 20 January 2018 13:20 (six years ago) link
the Way he misuses Capitals makes me Want to jam a Screwdriver in my Ear
― grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 20 January 2018 13:23 (six years ago) link
McConnell's no is procedural, I think
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 20 January 2018 13:25 (six years ago) link
Dems need to loudly get out in front of this and lay this firmly at the feet of the Idiot in Chief, who has called for a shutdown in the recent past, who has destroyed seemingly bipartisan prospects for compromise and who, most importantly, has yet to make a clear case for what it is he wants, exactly. Don't let him dodge. They even have GOP colleagues on record confused about his position.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 20 January 2018 13:32 (six years ago) link
Anyway, who cares about a shutdown. Even when government's working it's barely working, so where's the harm in working less. Send these dummies to their room and make them think about what they've done.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 20 January 2018 13:44 (six years ago) link
government shutdown bonus: if it's still going on Tuesday 1/30 then donnie dodges a bullet ~ no 'state of the union' address?
― reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 20 January 2018 13:49 (six years ago) link
Dems will absolutely not get out in front of this and I suspect I’ll take a lot of the blame in a way that’s typically been laid at the feet of GOP in previous shutdowns.
Their messaging is absolute shit.
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Saturday, 20 January 2018 13:57 (six years ago) link
suspect *will take
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Saturday, 20 January 2018 13:58 (six years ago) link
All they have to say is put Graham/Durbin up for a vote.
All they have to say is put a clean bill up for a vote, on DACA, on CHIP, on all sorts of stuff.
But that won't happen, because the House GOP won't go for it, and McConnell won't put it up for a vote for any of it up in the Senate (despite support) in a show of misguided solidarity. Don't really see how this resolves, given the Dem distrust of the WH, the right-tilt of the house and the disingenuousness of the GOP senate. I do think Dems will take the heat, but no more so than the GOP ("both sides!"), but I think Trump will get hit the hardest.
And per the Times, in a few months people will have forgotten it ever happened.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 20 January 2018 14:02 (six years ago) link
I won't blame you will <3
― Evan, Saturday, 20 January 2018 14:02 (six years ago) link
In the meantime, I hope people turn out in force today. I know many of my family and friends will be marching.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 20 January 2018 14:04 (six years ago) link
I don't know -- Schumer looks and sounds mad here. It could be performative anger but whatever
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 20 January 2018 14:24 (six years ago) link
thank u Evan you were the only one
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Saturday, 20 January 2018 14:32 (six years ago) link
Again, seriously don't get it. There are people in charge of government agencies right now who have pledged in the past to destroy the very agencies they are running. There are countless unfilled positions in the government, and other places (like State and Justice) reportedly shedding staff at historic rates and unable to hire. Add to that an inability to govern, from the chief executive down, and the government has sort of been operating in de facto semi-shutdown mode for months.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 20 January 2018 14:36 (six years ago) link
― Mr. Snrub
does this mean we're going to get a Long Parliament?
― Arnold Schoenberg Steals (rushomancy), Saturday, 20 January 2018 14:58 (six years ago) link
he's not misusing Capitals, merely imparting Divinity
plz someone Dispatch the Shitbrain
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 20 January 2018 15:14 (six years ago) link
is that like Releasing the Kraken?
― gbx, Saturday, 20 January 2018 15:37 (six years ago) link
let's find out
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 20 January 2018 15:43 (six years ago) link
I’m signing all my pin pads with FUCK TRUMP or FUCK PENCE from now on. I can’t believe I didn’t think of this earlier.
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 20 January 2018 15:51 (six years ago) link
You should too
Also, can we just have a “rolling fuck this newspaper” thread
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 20 January 2018 15:54 (six years ago) link
Schumer putting the knife in: "Negotiating with President Trump is like negotiating with Jell-O."
― Empire Burl Ives (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 20 January 2018 17:41 (six years ago) link
Damn.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 20 January 2018 17:42 (six years ago) link
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/369824-trump-nation-reach-end-of-exhausting-first-yearThe American Psychological Association (APA) suggests Trump and the media-fueled battles around him are literally stressing the country out.It found that the most common stressor cited by Americans in 2017 was “the future of our nation.” It outpaced the usual leader, money.People who watch the news rarely get a break from stories about Trump, a sign that cable news continues to get eyeballs by broadcasting about the president.The APA suggested the coverage is almost addictive.A whopping 95 percent of respondents in the APA study said they follow the news regularly, even though more than half said it causes them greater stress.Social media users are more likely to report stress than people who do not use the platforms.
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 20 January 2018 17:47 (six years ago) link
xp the art of the congeal
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 20 January 2018 17:48 (six years ago) link
Had dinner with a couple of social workers last night, and they confirmed. They have detected a serious uptick in anxiety and stress of their patients thanks to Trump.News reports have the Women's March in Chicago at numbers equal to or greater than last year's.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 20 January 2018 17:55 (six years ago) link
I wonder how many Dem reps think this:
A shift in the Dem message:IL Dem Rep Gutierrez: "It’s not about a wall. We’ll build him a wall. Tell us how high you want it. But free the dreamers"— Deirdre Walsh (@deirdrewalshcnn) January 20, 2018
― Simon H., Saturday, 20 January 2018 18:30 (six years ago) link
dems have been clumsy about "the wall" messaging since trump first brought it up in the campaign, already ceding him the territory when trying to debate him on whether "mexico will pay for it" rather than tossing it off as a ridiculous idea in the first place
― marcos, Saturday, 20 January 2018 18:33 (six years ago) link
rather than tossing it off as a ridiculous idea in the first place
as I recall, it was derided as a ridiculous idea from the start. somehow this didn't make any difference to the people who responded positively to it. or negatively. the problem is that getting all democrats to align to a uniform message is impossible.
― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 20 January 2018 18:40 (six years ago) link
I think every single person involved is operating with a different definition of "wall."
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 20 January 2018 18:50 (six years ago) link
This is maddening, standard Dem negotiating skillz.
And why is Schumer publicly copping to putting a wall on the table in WH meeting? If there's anything to learn from your opposition here it's STFU
― Empire Burl Ives (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 20 January 2018 18:54 (six years ago) link
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 20 January 2018 18:56 (six years ago) link
Beautiful weather all over our great country, a perfect day for all Women to March. Get out there now to celebrate the historic milestones and unprecedented economic success and wealth creation that has taken place over the last 12 months. Lowest female unemployment in 18 years!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 20, 2018
― Righteous wax chaperone, rotating Wingdings (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 20 January 2018 19:01 (six years ago) link
xpost I was somewhat serious. I've read a few faq styled prefers, and aside from general inconveniences and museum closings what is the biggest impact of a government shutdown, at least in the short term? My point was essentially, at least initially, that huge chunks of the government are currently being dismantled, and are definitely understaffed, with countless positions left unfilled, seemingly on purpose. How is that much different from a shutdown? The important stuff continues to work, because it is important. And everybody always gets paid when it is over. Every single facet of the current Administration is working against itself, so why not be glad they are forced to do it less?
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 20 January 2018 19:09 (six years ago) link
enjoy your march ladies, we appreciate the compliment!
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Saturday, 20 January 2018 19:11 (six years ago) link
what is the biggest impact of a government shutdown, at least in the short term?
This is like saying breaking your leg doesn't kill you, and after it mends you can walk around just as much as you did before.
― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 20 January 2018 19:14 (six years ago) link
In the 2013 shutdown, the effects of the furloughs and other shutdowns in government activity included:Tax refunds totaling almost $4 billion were delayed.The Women, Infants, and Children nutrition program went unfunded.Federal research activities at the National Institutes of Health (which lost about three-quarters of its employees), the National Science Foundation (which lost 98 percent of its workforce), and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (which lost two-thirds) shut down nearly entirely; the CDC scaled back its monitoring of disease outbreaks.Environmental Protection Agency inspections halted at 1,200 locations.The Food and Drug Administration delayed approval of drugs and medical devices.The national parks shut down, resulting in $500 million in lost consumer spending from tourism.Reviews of veterans’ disability applications slowed to a halt, with nearly 20,000 applications per week not being evaluated.
Tax refunds totaling almost $4 billion were delayed.The Women, Infants, and Children nutrition program went unfunded.Federal research activities at the National Institutes of Health (which lost about three-quarters of its employees), the National Science Foundation (which lost 98 percent of its workforce), and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (which lost two-thirds) shut down nearly entirely; the CDC scaled back its monitoring of disease outbreaks.Environmental Protection Agency inspections halted at 1,200 locations.The Food and Drug Administration delayed approval of drugs and medical devices.The national parks shut down, resulting in $500 million in lost consumer spending from tourism.Reviews of veterans’ disability applications slowed to a halt, with nearly 20,000 applications per week not being evaluated.
https://www.vox.com/2018/1/19/16910986/government-shutdown-what-shuts-down-exempt-essential-nonessential
― Empire Burl Ives (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 20 January 2018 19:15 (six years ago) link
Josh I do think there's an argument to be made strictly in terms of political capital, but not "oh well it doesn't work anyway"
― Empire Burl Ives (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 20 January 2018 19:17 (six years ago) link
I don't mean "burn it all down." But the people most directly affected are government workers, iirc. Which is bad for them, and I feel terrible for any federal employee living paycheck to paycheck (if they exist). But the world keeps turning, essential services keep operating.
Some of those xpost things are pretty vague ("CDC scaled back its monitoring of disease outbreaks"), but already at least a couple of those things (like closing of national parks) are not happening this year, reportedly. Or at least not entirely. My point, again, was that this administration was already doing a lot of those delays and cuts and haltings *on purpose*. I guess one could argue it could be worse, but, like, "Environmental Protection Agency inspections halted at 1,200 locations" - the head of the EPA wants to halt the EPA and has been rolling back regulations, which in many ways is worse than a pause in inspections.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 20 January 2018 19:21 (six years ago) link
Like, is the president important? Of course. But would I prefer *this* president leave Washington and go on vacation forever and not work at all? Yes.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 20 January 2018 19:22 (six years ago) link
"if they exist" wow c'mon man. how many people on this board would be unaffected if their employer stopped existing for a period of time yet unknown? fine to imagine a straw man of wealthy high-skilled federal employees with deep reserves of savings but how many of those furloughed are, like, janitors and security guards and people who work in the mail room and the cafeteria and the employee parking garage? how many of them can just go without paychecks at length with no consequences, even if at the end of it a deal is brokered to give them back pay for the period?
― Righteous wax chaperone, rotating Wingdings (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 20 January 2018 19:27 (six years ago) link
Yeah, that wasn’t at all clear.
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 20 January 2018 19:27 (six years ago) link
And the vacancies in these agencies are by and large the chairs and directorships. There are tens of thousands of federal employees every day keeping the engine running despite it all, esp at the local level.
― Empire Burl Ives (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 20 January 2018 19:29 (six years ago) link
None of this btw is mutually exclusive to a jolt of schadenfreude that it's happening to this prez at this moment
― Empire Burl Ives (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 20 January 2018 19:32 (six years ago) link
I oversee federal WIOA grants at the local level, and the direction we've been given is to come to work Monday and that our pass-through funder has 3-4 weeks in reserve. After that, things get dicey. The resources I oversee include funding for contractors like case workers and navigators. These are people that make 40-60k in an expensive city. You better fuckin believe a missed paycheck will affect them. And that's not even considering the effects on the clients they serve.
― alomar lines, Saturday, 20 January 2018 19:34 (six years ago) link
That's good to learn, I didn't know so stand corrected.
So anyway then, who is holding who hostage in this scenario? GOP holding Dreamers and CHIP kids hostage for their own shit? Or Dems holding working class government employees hostage for the sake of Dreamers et al.?
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 20 January 2018 19:36 (six years ago) link
Longest government shutdown was ... 21 days, right?
And this just in:
Representative Patrick Meehan, a Pennsylvania Republican who has taken a leading role in fighting sexual harassment in Congress, used thousands of dollars in taxpayer money to settle his own misconduct complaint after a former aide accused him last year of making unwanted romantic overtures to her, according to several people familiar with the settlement.A married father of three, Mr. Meehan, 62, had long expressed interest in the personal life of the aide, who was decades younger and had regarded the congressman as a father figure, according to three people who worked with the office and four others with whom she discussed her tenure there.But after the woman became involved in a serious relationship with someone outside the office last year, Mr. Meehan professed his romantic desires for her — first in person, and then in a handwritten letter — and he grew hostile when she did not reciprocate, the people familiar with her time in the office said.
A married father of three, Mr. Meehan, 62, had long expressed interest in the personal life of the aide, who was decades younger and had regarded the congressman as a father figure, according to three people who worked with the office and four others with whom she discussed her tenure there.
But after the woman became involved in a serious relationship with someone outside the office last year, Mr. Meehan professed his romantic desires for her — first in person, and then in a handwritten letter — and he grew hostile when she did not reciprocate, the people familiar with her time in the office said.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 20 January 2018 19:38 (six years ago) link
who is holding who hostage in this scenario?
Perhaps a better question is: whose position, if adopted as the solution to the standoff, would produce better results for the nation?
― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 20 January 2018 19:39 (six years ago) link
For sure. Put elsewhere, if and when this ends and there is no beneficial DACA deal you'll know the Dems lost. But I really hope they don't give up the house to get there.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 20 January 2018 19:43 (six years ago) link
And I really hope they don't give up the House to stay where they currently are. But I'm hopeful.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 20 January 2018 19:44 (six years ago) link
so, worst case scenario here is everybody decides that democrats are ruining everything for the benefit of a couple of illegals. and then what? do the democrats get to do _anything_ to counter the administration besides pontificate? make pretty speeches but the second they do something the slightest bit controversial everybody cuts bait and runs?
the bigger issue is that this is the democrats' best opportunity to reclaim some semblance of political clout. if they don't win this one, i don't see them winning anything meaningful at all ever again.
― Arnold Schoenberg Steals (rushomancy), Saturday, 20 January 2018 19:49 (six years ago) link
I agree with that. If the country indeed does not approve of this administration, then that is their leverage, even if they lack numbers. But (and I suppose this is the gamble) if they fail to parlay momentum of dissatisfaction into November wins, then it's going to be a long few years.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 20 January 2018 19:54 (six years ago) link
Here's a great example (and further corrective to my flip ignorance) of what indirect effects a shutdown can have:
A federal government shutdown could complicate CDC's ability to know, in real time, whether flu cases are continuing to increase. Personnel like Brammer, who works in the annual influenza program, are among the 63 percent of agency employees who would be furloughed, according to the updated 2018 contingency plan from the Health and Human Services Department. Throughout CDC, more than 8,500 employees would be furloughed.State labs would continue to operate and monitor flu activity, test specimens and send that information to the CDC. “The states would still be doing their jobs,” Brammer said. But if CDC epidemiologists and others monitoring the data are not at work, that data “would not be put together on a national level.”
State labs would continue to operate and monitor flu activity, test specimens and send that information to the CDC. “The states would still be doing their jobs,” Brammer said. But if CDC epidemiologists and others monitoring the data are not at work, that data “would not be put together on a national level.”
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 20 January 2018 20:02 (six years ago) link
i like to hope that shutdowns demonstrate just how many important things depend on the government, but that never seems to make any difference
― mookieproof, Saturday, 20 January 2018 20:20 (six years ago) link
with regard to the political calculus - trump's action on DACA created a humanitarian crisis. hundreds of thousands of people's lives are poised to be permanently altered. even if trump doesn't actively move forward on deporting them (hmmmm) they will be cast into total uncertainty about their entire futures. if he does, relationships and friendships and families will be torn apart. anything they've worked for, great or small, will be obliterated as they're forced to move away from the place they've lived effectively their whole lives. it's infuriating that trump can set the agenda by order and force the democrats to put it all on the line to address just one of the many problems he's created, but in this case i'll say putting it on the line is "worth it" by pretty much any metric one could cobble together. do we expect the house to vote on destroying seven hundred thousand other lives between 2019 and 2021? whose? if not, then this is probably the most important thing democrats are going to get to vote on whether this "costs" them the house next year or not. what do we want them to save their energy for exactly?
― Righteous wax chaperone, rotating Wingdings (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 20 January 2018 20:30 (six years ago) link
Is it worth it to get a DACA deal if they throw in all sorts of other poison pill anti-immigration stuff, including a wall?
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 20 January 2018 20:33 (six years ago) link
Because that's part of the impasse right?
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 20 January 2018 20:34 (six years ago) link
Which is bad for them, and I feel terrible for any federal employee living paycheck to paycheck (if they exist).
Hi! :)
― Mr. Snrub, Saturday, 20 January 2018 20:41 (six years ago) link
The hard rock the democrats are up against is that the Republicans control the House the Senate, and the Presidency. The Dems have some leverage in the Senate due to the rules there, but getting concessions means making concessions, too.
The wall is expensive, but by itself it probably won't do much good or harm either way, other than its wretched symbolism and the waste of money. So, if it secures the futures of 700,000 young people and provides a path to citizenship, it would be well worth it from my perspective.
― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 20 January 2018 20:42 (six years ago) link
I thought the Dem strategy was sposed to be OBSTRUCT
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 20 January 2018 20:49 (six years ago) link
My understanding is that the wall was the least of it. There are also other immigration curbs and further Healthcare cuts that were in the house bill right?
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 20 January 2018 20:50 (six years ago) link
So an immigration deal needs to simultaneously win 1.) Schumer & Durbin's votes 2.) John Kelly & Stephen Miller's recommendation to Trump to endorse it. 3.) Paul Ryan's commitment to a House vote even if it splits the majority. Hmmm.— Susan Davis (@DaviSusan) January 20, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 20 January 2018 21:06 (six years ago) link
Where's Reince Priebus when you need him
― Empire Burl Ives (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 20 January 2018 21:14 (six years ago) link
The post piece about the last couple of weeks is nuts. Apologies if already posted.https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/negotiating-with-jell-o-how-trumps-shifting-positions-fueled-the-rush-to-a-shutdown/2018/01/20/81215b90-fd71-11e7-a46b-a3614530bd87_story.html
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 20 January 2018 21:37 (six years ago) link
Sen. John Neely Kennedy (R-La.), speaking to reporters Friday night about his general frustrations with the process, said that “our country was founded by geniuses, but it’s being run by idiots.”
Next Month's Title?
― Never Learn To Mike Love (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 20 January 2018 21:46 (six years ago) link
In politics, he resembles at times an amateur jazz musician — moody and improvisational, but without the technical chops to hold a piece together.
― mookieproof, Saturday, 20 January 2018 21:48 (six years ago) link
Birth Of The Tool
― Never Learn To Mike Love (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 20 January 2018 21:51 (six years ago) link
Ha.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 20 January 2018 21:53 (six years ago) link
Dingus Ah Um
― Empire Burl Ives (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 20 January 2018 21:54 (six years ago) link
A Taco Supreme
― Empire Burl Ives (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 20 January 2018 21:56 (six years ago) link
Tyrant Steps
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 20 January 2018 21:56 (six years ago) link
So is dummy going to Florida for his fundraiser/self-celebration? It would be horrible optics to do so, which makes me think he will do it.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 20 January 2018 21:57 (six years ago) link
we can only hope so
― Empire Burl Ives (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 20 January 2018 21:59 (six years ago) link
The wall is expensive, but by itself it probably won't do much good or harm either way, other than its wretched symbolism and the waste of money. So, if it secures the futures of 700,000 young people and provides a path to citizenship, it would be well worth it from my perspective.Building it, and then tearing it down in 2021, would be a reasonable approximation of Keynes’ “burying banknotes and then digging them up” bit from General Theory.I’m not opposed to going with that as a jobs program tbf
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 20 January 2018 22:01 (six years ago) link
Someone should refocus Trump on building a ladder to the moon.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 20 January 2018 22:03 (six years ago) link
or blowing it up
― maura, Saturday, 20 January 2018 22:29 (six years ago) link
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Csj7vMKy4EI
alternately Dingus Dingus Dingus Dingus Dingus
many xposts
― Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Saturday, 20 January 2018 22:31 (six years ago) link
what a time to work for a government contractor (as I do)
― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 20 January 2018 23:07 (six years ago) link
LIFE IS WINNING
― Never Learn To Mike Love (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 20 January 2018 23:13 (six years ago) link
― Empire Burl Ives (Hadrian VIII)
why so sick and ridiculous?
― Arnold Schoenberg Steals (rushomancy), Saturday, 20 January 2018 23:18 (six years ago) link
!!@SenDuckworth: "I will not be lectured about what our military needs by a five-deferment draft-dodger. And I have a message for cadet bone spurs: If you cared about our military, you'd stop baiting Kim Jong-Un into a war that could put 85,000 American troops .. in danger." pic.twitter.com/BBXVna819m— JM Rieger (@RiegerReport) January 20, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 21 January 2018 00:18 (six years ago) link
oof
― Empire Burl Ives (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 21 January 2018 00:21 (six years ago) link
good on her. now she'll get her own nickname from our president.
― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 21 January 2018 00:25 (six years ago) link
TAMMY
― mookieproof, Sunday, 21 January 2018 00:26 (six years ago) link
yesss
― maura, Sunday, 21 January 2018 00:34 (six years ago) link
"draft dodger" still has a 1971 hardhat whiff to me. I like draft dodgers.
The phrase for Yam (and so many other war-promoting coddled cowards) is "chicken hawk."
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 21 January 2018 00:39 (six years ago) link
JM Rieger shd've at least properly capped "Cadet Bone Spurs"
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 21 January 2018 00:40 (six years ago) link
he resembles at times an amateur jazz musician
I know the moment has passed, but... Cantaloupe Lie-land?
― godzillas in the mist (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 21 January 2018 00:44 (six years ago) link
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius)
can't do it. can't use "chicken hawk" to refer to anybody other than an old creep with a taste for the barely legal. i should get with the times i suppose...
― Arnold Schoenberg Steals (rushomancy), Sunday, 21 January 2018 01:15 (six years ago) link
I think Lt. Colonel Duckworth gets to use "draft dodger" as a pejorative
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Sunday, 21 January 2018 01:17 (six years ago) link
By far the most surprising guest here at the @Cernovich event: Chelsea Manning!— Charlie Warzel (@cwarzel) January 21, 2018
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Sunday, 21 January 2018 01:30 (six years ago) link
"draft dodger" still has a 1971 hardhat whiff to me. I like draft dodgers.The phrase for Yam (and so many other war-promoting coddled cowards) is "chicken hawk."
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 21 January 2018 01:41 (six years ago) link
Morbs real otm here. stop using their shit brand framing
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Sunday, 21 January 2018 02:42 (six years ago) link
I agree but in context they're clearly using the GOP's own bullshit pejorative labels against them.
Obv conscription is gross and shaming those who avoid it is worse....
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Sunday, 21 January 2018 02:48 (six years ago) link
sure and I’m not knocking Duckworth, who’s (generally) pretty rad (other than fisa) and who better to take the shot. I’m talking more generally. Like the ‘resistance’ prob shouldn’t make a whole lot of noise about draft dodgers.
chicken hawks otoh. no one but lobbyists like those
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Sunday, 21 January 2018 03:00 (six years ago) link
*shot?
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Sunday, 21 January 2018 03:02 (six years ago) link
yeah we need a better/richer language here. i dig draft dodgers in the fuck-this-war-i'm-going-in-hiding sense. vietnam was bullshit - dodge away. but the specific thing of "i used my wealth and connections to get myself out of harm's way while letting the draft, and war, hum murderously along for others" is worth calling out. trump's record here is pathetic of course. but "chicken hawk" doesn't capture why either, plus no one knows what it means. i think duckworth could have just said "...from a rich kid who stayed out of vietnam by having his daddy's hired doctor make up phony medical excuses, while the kids of the people who rented apartments in his daddy's buildings had no such option" .... or some pithier version thereof.
― Righteous wax chaperone, rotating Wingdings (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 21 January 2018 03:10 (six years ago) link
yeah “chickenhawk” a misnomer in this instance.
but ppl should know what means and the GOP should absolutely be synonymous with it
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Sunday, 21 January 2018 03:16 (six years ago) link
Chelsea was ostensibly there to "crash it" but bb you gotta do more than show up and get seen at a white supremacist's party if yr gonna call it crashing
God her ad is so bad, all signifiers aimed at people who think voting doesn't do anything
I want better things for her than this
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 21 January 2018 03:28 (six years ago) link
probably a better option than "draft dodger" or "chicken hawk": "shithead"
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Sunday, 21 January 2018 03:57 (six years ago) link
oh my god https://t.co/uudoz4Z6Ps pic.twitter.com/2YgXIVqdaO— Simon Maloy (@SimonMaloy) January 21, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 21 January 2018 04:23 (six years ago) link
When I find myself in full agreement with Morbius, consecutively over a series of days, that’s a fucking sign.
― El Tomboto, Saturday, January 20, 2018 5:41 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
sigh, tying the knot. finally. looking for rsvp.
― barreras, Sunday, 21 January 2018 04:40 (six years ago) link
pic.twitter.com/Vl3Q2ucHQz— Alex Nichols (@Lowenaffchen) January 21, 2018
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Sunday, 21 January 2018 04:46 (six years ago) link
That's an adorable dog. I refuse to see what's in the rest of the picture, tho.
― Fetchboy, Sunday, 21 January 2018 05:06 (six years ago) link
let’s hope the dog enjoyed a long, full life and was not eventually murdered by noted dog-murderer david huckabee
― grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 21 January 2018 08:47 (six years ago) link
I think what you actually want is a better version of her than the one that actually exists.
― grawlix (unperson), Sunday, 21 January 2018 11:03 (six years ago) link
uh oh someone's suggesting the "nuclear option" in the Senate again
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Sunday, 21 January 2018 14:51 (six years ago) link
Did Rand Paul hack Josh in Chicago's account?
― bhad and bhabie (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 21 January 2018 15:11 (six years ago) link
Ha! I love the government and want it to be even bigger. (Except the military, which is big enough - Rand Paul likes big military, doesn't he?). My point (as such) was that the GOP is constantly harping about the size of government, and the current administration is actively trying to shrink things or shut them down, while leaving several posts unfilled (we still don't even have an ambassador to South Korea!) or pressuring other workers to quit or retire or take buy-outs and leave. Which I find so disingenuous, the party of small government or, lately, no government, suddenly concern trolling for ending the shutdown. This is their dream come true! Or should be. As for the shutdown itself, yeah, it hurts people financially, at least in the short term, but so does the massive cutting and dissolution of government programs under Trump, right? Because of Trump GOP strategy, a working government means a government working to limit or shrink government, which is kind of a Catch-22. The irony is that congress is *not* shut down, but they've been the least productive or effective branch of government the past year.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 21 January 2018 15:50 (six years ago) link
(I fully acknowledge any illogic and stupidity to my reasoning, it's just that my gut instinct is if ever there was a government I'd want shut down, it's this one!)
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 21 January 2018 15:59 (six years ago) link
You could have just said that!
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 21 January 2018 16:22 (six years ago) link
if ever there was a government I'd want shut down, it's this one!Josh in Chicago otm
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 21 January 2018 16:23 (six years ago) link
See?
― grawlix (unperson), Sunday, January 21, 2018 11:03 AM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
No, but thanks
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 21 January 2018 16:50 (six years ago) link
xp As a rhetorical device "look, shutdown is a sneak peek at the logical extension of your libertarianism" or "this is what you get when you drown government in the bathtub" is just the sort of rhetorical device the Dems remain too clumsy/lumbering to make
― Empire Burl Ives (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 21 January 2018 17:03 (six years ago) link
It doesn't seem that hard an argument to make! "You republicans have been calling for cutting and slashing for years, and now here you go, government is on hold. Happy? We want CHIP. We want DACA. We want lots of things. You want nothing, because if you wanted something you'd be voting on it, like you voted on lowering taxes or ending the ACA some 50 times. So to sum up: fuck you."
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 21 January 2018 17:06 (six years ago) link
No I don't think it's hard at all. I wish they'd do it.
― Empire Burl Ives (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 21 January 2018 17:09 (six years ago) link
what it boils down to is that we have to make their arguments for them and sell them for them. if the democrats wind up getting shit on for the shutdown, it's our failure more importantly than it is theirs.
― Arnold Schoenberg Steals (rushomancy), Sunday, 21 January 2018 17:20 (six years ago) link
lol fuck that
― sleeve, Sunday, 21 January 2018 17:32 (six years ago) link
That’s not what these shutdowns are. All of DHS’s essential functions are staffed. All the military functions are staffed. All the contractors are still getting paid. The mail is being delivered. Social Security checks included. Nothing is “shut down” in any meaningful sense.
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 21 January 2018 17:32 (six years ago) link
uh oh didn't we do this already?
xposts whether the blame lies with the electorate or the party, this is why leadership has gotta be flipped. The legislative muscles necessary to become a Nancy Pelosi or Steny Hoyer are built up incrementally over decades of navigating an arcane system, and they're important and necessary esp. for maintaining power. But in the process it seems that the muscles that help you punch above your weight, in fighting to take it back, tend to atrophy.
― Empire Burl Ives (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 21 January 2018 17:38 (six years ago) link
What these shutdowns amount to is that all of the activities the federal government does to further its ability to provide services, or improve our way of life, or advance the state of practice in various fields of study that venture capitalists tend to ignore, those things stop cold. All of the civil servants who manage and/or do that work are going to get paid leave for however long this takes, so taxpayers are just getting ripped off for nothing.
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 21 January 2018 17:42 (six years ago) link
Oh good I’m glad we’re using this time to whine some more about the fecklessness of Democrats
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 21 January 2018 17:43 (six years ago) link
i'll stop when they get some feck
― Empire Burl Ives (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 21 January 2018 17:45 (six years ago) link
They should demand an immediate vote on feck.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 21 January 2018 17:54 (six years ago) link
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/USkCsrO9sz4/hqdefault.jpg
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 21 January 2018 17:55 (six years ago) link
That's pretty much the perfect wordless punchline. Kudos.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 21 January 2018 18:05 (six years ago) link
https://instagram.com/p/BeN15oangH-/
― maura, Sunday, 21 January 2018 18:17 (six years ago) link
much xps, re feck or lack thereof: My rage at this shutdown, as the apotheosis of this administration’s flagrant and treasonous contempt for everything I actually love about my country, is almost greater than even I, internet hardman archetype, can comprehend; so I guess I don’t have any expectations at all that anyone should be able to address this in the terms it merits, certainly not without risking criminal charges.
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 21 January 2018 18:45 (six years ago) link
I mean nobody’s gonna pass my smell test for “messaging” on the events of the last two weeks unless they wind up in shackles on a secret service paddy wagon, so I don’t really differentiate between the varieties of zwieback the Dems are feeding whatever they think their base is. That is completely unimportant to me atm.
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 21 January 2018 18:54 (six years ago) link
The fact that someone on GOP.com put up a page with the actual title of 'The Highly-Anticipated 2017 Fake News Awards' is the perfect crossing of hilarity and despair.
― Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 21 January 2018 18:57 (six years ago) link
Yikes, that family has some bad genes.
― Yerac, Sunday, 21 January 2018 19:11 (six years ago) link
"All the contractors are still getting paid" I thought they weren't?
― akm, Sunday, 21 January 2018 19:16 (six years ago) link
Depends on how the appropriations are obligated, etc.
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 21 January 2018 19:19 (six years ago) link
Graham: “Every time we have a proposal, it is only yanked back by staff members. As long as Stephen Miller is in charge of negotiating on immigration, we are going nowhere.”— Igor Bobic (@igorbobic) January 21, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 21 January 2018 19:19 (six years ago) link
I should ask my pal at one of the National Labs what they’re doing tomorrow
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 21 January 2018 19:21 (six years ago) link
i am less concerned with the specifics of the "messaging" than with its effect. the democrats have stumbled, without really intending to, and aided by republican incompetence, into a decisive state of revolt. if they were revolting against a competent leadership - if, for instance, they were attempting to take a stand against someone like erdogan - they would already have lost. this isn't that kind of revolt.
whatever people say about it, the most important thing is to convince people, enough people, that we are right in doing this, that this is worth doing, that the fantasy of some sort of bloodless coup is impossible. convince people to, whatever is wrong, to continue to focus their blame for it on the republicans, as they have been doing, rather than shifting their blame to the democrats. and this isn't something that can or will be done by democratic leadership, because they are reviled. they're not opinion leaders, they're not going to be opinion leaders.
if the democratic leadership can't get at least enough conditional support from people to win this crisis, i see no hope for resolution to the ongoing failure state.
― Arnold Schoenberg Steals (rushomancy), Sunday, 21 January 2018 19:30 (six years ago) link
Mike Pence is a complete shitbird and I hate him with an intensity that involves every molecule in my bodyhttp://thehill.com/homenews/administration/370008-pence-blasts-senate-democrats-in-overseas-speech-to-troops
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 21 January 2018 19:33 (six years ago) link
i see no hope for resolution to the ongoing failure state
digging the nation out of the political hole we've slid into will be a long process and most likely just a partial success, since the US has always had horrible aspects to its ongoing politics.
― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 21 January 2018 19:35 (six years ago) link
oh and the coups in my fantasies are not remotely bloodless fwiw
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 21 January 2018 19:36 (six years ago) link
I really don't think the public at large cares about a government shutdown. Or, given approval levels, about government much at all these days. And I also agree with predictions that, the way the news cycle moves these days, it may very well be forgotten by November. Or by next month, if and when it happens again. I mean, we've hit the stage where settlements with porn stars are just another day at the office. Just think about that. Just think about any other president posing with a porn star for a picture. And that's like the c-story on your average Friday. That's where we are today. Until things change or don't in November, it's just going to be more of the exhausting shitty same.
Anyway, how can Graham blame Miller by name for scuttling every deal, yet in the same breath remain hopeful there will soon be a deal? He's pinpointed the problem. It's a vicious cycle.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 21 January 2018 19:37 (six years ago) link
As a corollary, I only care about you in the abstract, as well.
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 21 January 2018 19:40 (six years ago) link
I called the products of my last seven bowel movements and they also hate Mike Pence, because he’s giving them a bad name
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 21 January 2018 19:41 (six years ago) link
does anybody care about anybody else anymore except in the abstract?
― Arnold Schoenberg Steals (rushomancy), Sunday, 21 January 2018 19:41 (six years ago) link
I want to start every post about this administration with "As a coronary ..."
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 21 January 2018 19:42 (six years ago) link
I think when Trump is gone and we return to some semblance of "normal," I think people will care about that.
Whut
Stars of NBC's "The West Wing" will hold a one-night-only reading of "All the President's Men" in Los Angeles https://t.co/dVJ50l5TgH pic.twitter.com/14zbf0Uacf— CNN (@CNN) January 21, 2018
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Sunday, 21 January 2018 20:02 (six years ago) link
Stars of NBC's "The West Wing" will hold a one-night-only reading of "All the President's Men"
Next, the re-united cast of the 1980s hit film "Clueless" will join together for a one-time reading of "Fire and Fury", thus doubling the potent word magic directed at our president from afar.
― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 21 January 2018 20:09 (six years ago) link
― grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 21 January 2018 20:10 (six years ago) link
Whut🐦[Stars of NBC’s "The West Wing" will hold a one-night-only reading of "All the President’s Men" in Los Angeles https://t.co/dVJ50l5TgH🕸 pic.twitter.com/14zbf0Uacf🕸— CNN (@CNN) January 21, 2018🕸]🐦
― grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 21 January 2018 20:13 (six years ago) link
It’s funny looking back that a big part of Team America was “can you believe these dumb hollywood actors don’t want to go to war in Iraq?!”
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Sunday, 21 January 2018 20:17 (six years ago) link
reductive af but sometimes i think one of the main reasons trump has supporters under the age of 40 is because of those two SP assholes
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Sunday, 21 January 2018 21:24 (six years ago) link
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-exactly-this-shutdown-means-agency-by-agency
https://www.stripes.com/news/here-s-what-we-know-about-how-the-shutdown-is-affecting-the-military-dod-civilians-and-veterans-1.507494
― Never Learn To Mike Love (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 21 January 2018 21:25 (six years ago) link
it's only reductive insofar as it's actually true. there are a lot of dumbfuck assholes who got a taste of cultural confirmation through Parker & Stone.
― Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Sunday, 21 January 2018 21:42 (six years ago) link
^^Yeah, they are modern pioneers of trolling.
― Never Learn To Mike Love (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 21 January 2018 22:01 (six years ago) link
i hate people who relish in being dicks and that seems to be what P&S, DJT, & the entire GOP excel at. off topic but it's the pyschological environment we're in....
― Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Sunday, 21 January 2018 22:07 (six years ago) link
Come on, they're all just joking, all the time. Why do you have to be so uptight and PC? Loosen up a little.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 21 January 2018 22:29 (six years ago) link
trouble at the nyt
By the way, if you're wondering why coverage of the huge marches yesterday seems kind of muted, it's because those hundreds of thousands weren't sitting in diners in small-town America, and therefore don't count. Also many of them were women.— Paul Krugman (@paulkrugman) January 21, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 21 January 2018 22:39 (six years ago) link
This is the Krugman that liberals want
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 21 January 2018 22:47 (six years ago) link
Those exhaustive, exhausting profiles of trump supporters would be like if every newspaper and news outlet for an entire year sent reporters to the Pacific Northwest talking to people who believe in Bigfoot. I don't think you would get more from the hundredth article than you got in the first.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 21 January 2018 22:53 (six years ago) link
I got asked to write a piece about Trump voters. So I called a bunch of people in Staten Island and LA. I come back, the editor goes "no, we wanted a piece about the rurals." me: right but that's not really how the numbers work. Story dies on the vine.— Linda Tirado (@KillerMartinis) January 21, 2018
― maura, Sunday, 21 January 2018 23:07 (six years ago) link
And now, some light reading.
A POLITICO analysis reveals that the investigations now involve 100s of people in Washington, Moscow and around the world. Taken together, they illuminate the way investigators are assembling the pieces of the Russia puzzle. Click for searchable database. https://t.co/Mei9P8pFvz— Carrie Budoff Brown (@cbudoffbrown) January 21, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 21 January 2018 23:12 (six years ago) link
pretty
― Men's Scarehouse - "You're gonna like the way you're shook." (m bison), Sunday, 21 January 2018 23:21 (six years ago) link
Like an 8bit stomach.
― Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Monday, 22 January 2018 01:07 (six years ago) link
I work for a government contractor supporting the Federal Aviation Administration. Just got a text from my manager saying that we are NOT authorized to go into work today.
― Polly of the Pre-Codes (j.lu), Monday, 22 January 2018 11:08 (six years ago) link
I was around the world of government contracting for previous shutdowns. Everybody handles it their own way.
Some hourly employees will not work and thus will not be paid. Some salaried employees will get paid, and the company will eat it as overhead (up to a point). Other salaried employees will be asked to take leave. Others will be asked to do busywork for the company itself, do training, or do work for non-Federal customers.
Some of it depends on the nature of the contract and the nature of the government client. A fixed-price contract is billed and paid for the duration of the contract, regardless of how many or how few hours are worked. A time-and-materials contract is billed and paid for actual hours and labor rates.
Another wrinkle: there are some "non-appropriated" government functions that do not depend on funding from congress. During the last shutdown I was working for the Federal Acquisition Service, which is not funded by appropriation (funded instead by fees). I could theoretically have kept working, but it was determined to be NAGL.
― godzillas in the mist (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 22 January 2018 13:52 (six years ago) link
i'm just glad the corporate tax rate dropped from 40% to 20% before the united states could no longer fund the federal government's daily operations : )
― reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 22 January 2018 14:53 (six years ago) link
So hey, smart people itt: what happens if these jokers are perpetually unable to agree on a budget?
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Monday, 22 January 2018 15:05 (six years ago) link
Those exhaustive, exhausting profiles of trump supporters would be like if every newspaper and news outlet for an entire year sent reporters to the Pacific Northwest talking to people who believe in Bigfoot.
Honestly, some newspaper should start doing exactly this, week after week, and see if at some point readers get the point they're trying to make
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 22 January 2018 15:09 (six years ago) link
someone will blink eventually xp
― mookieproof, Monday, 22 January 2018 15:09 (six years ago) link
Dems are gonna cave, right?
― Moodles, Monday, 22 January 2018 15:10 (six years ago) link
xpost I mean, I get that that's what's expected to happen and what's happened historically, but as far as the federal government is concerned, I'm pretty much done making any assumptions based on past observations.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Monday, 22 January 2018 15:11 (six years ago) link
there's such a crazy partisan divide in this country right now. any Dem who 'caves' probably knows they're going to get raked over the coals for it. it's the GOP who's in charge right now, the longer this goes the worse this is for them, right?
― frogbs, Monday, 22 January 2018 15:14 (six years ago) link
I don't think there's a hard legal or constitutional limit on continuing resolutions. They can go month-to-month or week-to-week effectively forever.
As for how long they can do shutdown operations (with only "essential" staff)? That I do not know.
Perhaps Democrats will "cave" in the sense that they will have to vote for something eventually. Something that is less than everything you'd want, but more than Friday's offer.
Honestly I know that Dem spinelessness is among ILX's favorite pinatas, but I'm sort of glad they went to the mat this time over DACA, instead of deciding this-is-not-the-hill-to-die-on.
― godzillas in the mist (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 22 January 2018 15:14 (six years ago) link
Will you be satisfied if they agree to possibly having some kind of vote on DACA at some point in the Senate and never in the House?
― Moodles, Monday, 22 January 2018 15:16 (six years ago) link
I don't think the primary Dem problem is "spinelessness." They just have the bare minimum of beliefs; makes fundraising easier.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 22 January 2018 15:29 (six years ago) link
Re: spinelessness, saw in one of the updated stories that while Schumer did apparently offer to fund the wall at the number Trump asked for, apparently it was (as funding tends to go) just for one year, which means next year funding the wall would have to be approved again. So not sure Schumer was offering to pay for the wall so much as perhaps trying to cleverly pull a fast one, and one of Trump's minions caught him doing it. Long story short, Trump is totally out of his league, and there are obviously people around him trying to keep him on track.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 22 January 2018 15:34 (six years ago) link
According to my manager, the FAA has earmarked enough money to pay the people working on my contract for two weeks. And I'm in a good enough position financially that I could cope with a hiccup in my income.
During the last federal government shutdown I was working for a contractor on a state Medicare/Medicaid project, so we were full speed ahead. One day I went to lunch at a restaurant near the National Institutes of Standards and Technology. The place was a ghost town. Maybe I should make a point of going out to eat at places that are losing federal-employee customers.
― Polly of the Pre-Codes (j.lu), Monday, 22 January 2018 15:35 (six years ago) link
What happened to the promise Mitch made Collins in return for her tax vote? When was that supposed to happen? You can't trust any of these assholes. The Dems may not believe in much but that beats believing in nothing.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 22 January 2018 15:36 (six years ago) link
The resolution they agree to would be for a few weeks, so if no resolution on DACA is found it would be another shutdown.
― Frederik B, Monday, 22 January 2018 15:43 (six years ago) link
so this is how american businesses are run, huh
― reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 22 January 2018 15:43 (six years ago) link
presumably any DACA agreement that would open the door to a longer-term funding deal in the Senate would need some assurances that it could get passed through the House, otherwise Ryan and co. could just pass the latter and drop the former, no?
― evol j, Monday, 22 January 2018 16:04 (six years ago) link
Ryan has been adhering to Hastert rule, hasn't he? (No, you sickos, the other Hastert rule.) I doubt he can get a majority on anything beneficial to the Dems, so even if the Senate brokered a deal it would be dead in the House, which is one step forward, one step back.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 22 January 2018 16:08 (six years ago) link
Yes, and then there wold be another shutdown in a few weeks, as I just explained :)
― Frederik B, Monday, 22 January 2018 16:41 (six years ago) link
IIRC under the Hastert rules a House bill passed by the majority of the majority can only be altered for an odd window of time—i.e. they cannot touch the pages once eighteen years have passed
― Empire Burl Ives (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 22 January 2018 17:11 (six years ago) link
sorry
― Empire Burl Ives (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 22 January 2018 17:13 (six years ago) link
do we have an official figure yet on how much value the russian government donated 'in-kind' to the 2016 Trump/Pence campaign? just curious
― reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 22 January 2018 17:16 (six years ago) link
Everyone looking forward to doing this again in February and then again Sept 30th, 5 weeks before midterms?— Jamal Raad (@jamalraad) January 22, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 22 January 2018 17:22 (six years ago) link
Democrats have managed to accede to Republican demands, demoralize their energized base, give a disengaged president a win, and look like they held a meaningless three day government shutdown — all at once.— Matt Viser (@mviser) January 22, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 22 January 2018 17:38 (six years ago) link
there are an astonishing number of hot takes out there on today's developments, considering as AFAICT they haven't happened yet and we don't know what they are
― Righteous wax chaperone, rotating Wingdings (Doctor Casino), Monday, 22 January 2018 17:43 (six years ago) link
I was gonna say, did I miss a news story?
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Monday, 22 January 2018 17:46 (six years ago) link
possible. schumer and mcconnell have reached a deal that gives mcconell 60 votes in return for a promise to vote on immigration:
.@SenSchumer on floor says Democrats will provide GOP the votes to re-open government with understanding that if no DACA deal by Feb. 8, Senate "will immediately proceed to consideration of legislation to deal with DACA"— Scott Wong (@scottwongDC) January 22, 2018
the people not on this list are running for president
Dem YES Vote on Cloture:BalwinBennetBrownCantwellCardinCarperCaseyCoonsDonnellyDuckworthDurbinHassanHeinrichHeitkampJonesKaineKingKlobucharManchinMccaskillMurrayNelsonPetersReedSchatzSchumerShaheenSmithStabenowUdallVan hollenWarnerWhitehouse— Frank Thorp V (@frankthorp) January 22, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 22 January 2018 17:51 (six years ago) link
Mr. McConnell reiterated a pledge he offered on Sunday night that he intended for the Senate to take up immigration legislation in February if the issue has not been resolved by then. A major question as senators seek to end the shutdown is what kind of commitment Mr. McConnell is willing to make regarding the consideration of legislation for the young immigrants, a central issue in the current impasse.
On Monday, Mr. McConnell pledged that the Senate’s immigration debate would have “a level playing field at the outset and an amendment process that is fair to all sides.”
“The very first step is ending the government shutdown,” he said
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 January 2018 17:52 (six years ago) link
McConnell in brief remarks: We've learned that the American people "didn't understand, and wouldn't understand in the future," a shutdown over illegal immigration.— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) January 22, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 22 January 2018 17:53 (six years ago) link
lmao taking a pledge from mcconnell in good faith
― marcos, Monday, 22 January 2018 17:55 (six years ago) link
I'm not, uh, a fan of Joy-Reid in the least but this strikes me as a take worth considering:
If @SenateMajLdr defies his nature and history and keeps his word by putting a reasonable, bipartisan immigration bill on the floor with open amendments, the far right xenophobe Trumpists will lose it. That could dampen turnout for Republicans in November.— Joy Reid (@JoyAnnReid) January 22, 2018
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 January 2018 17:55 (six years ago) link
If he stiffs the Democrats, we'll get another government shutdown next month, with no way out. Democrats will then only cut a second deal with McConnell if every one of them becomes clinically insane.— Joy Reid (@JoyAnnReid) January 22, 2018
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 January 2018 17:56 (six years ago) link
what's going to change from the last time he promised this?
"If negotiators reach an agreement on these matters by the end of January, I will bring it to the Senate floor for a free-standing vote." -Mitch McConnell, December 20, 2017 https://t.co/WREFNRfZ7e https://t.co/Cc2EaCErKZ— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) January 22, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 22 January 2018 17:58 (six years ago) link
NBC is reporting that today's deal "will also extend the low-income children's health insurance program, CHIP, for six years and suspend some taxes under the Affordable Care Act." the latter sounds very fishy indeed but the former is a policy win even though if you zoom out it's completely insane that it should be so, given that it is widely popular and should never have been a bargaining chip in the first fucking place.
― Righteous wax chaperone, rotating Wingdings (Doctor Casino), Monday, 22 January 2018 17:59 (six years ago) link
if a senate vote actually happens then we're back here:
A lot of people are gonna say Dems caved, but the truth is Republicans didn't get much here either.House and Senate both pass their DACA bills. Senate votes on House bill and shows it can't pass.At that point, a shutdown fight is over House giving Senate DACA bill a vote.— Matt Fuller (@MEPFuller) January 22, 2018
Paul Ryan has a very difficult path ahead here.If there's another shutdown in a few weeks — after both chambers passed their DACA bills — Senate Dems have the argument that it's because Paul Ryan won't give their DACA bill a vote.— Matt Fuller (@MEPFuller) January 22, 2018
if that's where we end up then we can say that what we got from this shutdown is trump stuck in DC, unable to go to his terrible party where caviar was served on plastic spoons, and found out who is running for the dem nomination in 2020.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 22 January 2018 18:00 (six years ago) link
idk if e.g. Duckworth runs how much hay is anyone going to make over this? "Senator Duckworth, can you defend your January 2018 cloture vote on the continuing resolution that blah blah blah we all forgot already?"
― The Bridge of Ban Louis J (silby), Monday, 22 January 2018 18:05 (six years ago) link
this parliamentary minutiae sure is compelling
wake me when DACA is torpedoed
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 22 January 2018 18:07 (six years ago) link
There are a lot of weird assumptions people are making of motives. The senators voting against this were among the most likely to have voted against it whether they were running for president or not. Similarly, the senators in tough-race Trump country were going to have a tough, tight race no matter what they voted for.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 22 January 2018 18:09 (six years ago) link
yeah i've found the horse-race how-will-it-help-the-party coverage of this situation even more irritating than usual. ending DACA is shitty, inhumane, and destructive policy - maybe some people want to force it to the table while they have leverage because it's important.
― Righteous wax chaperone, rotating Wingdings (Doctor Casino), Monday, 22 January 2018 18:13 (six years ago) link
fwiw i don't think the people who voted against (or for) the agreement don't sincerely think they're doing the right thing. and i don't think people are going to remember this specific vote in two years. but voting against this agreement is part of a pattern for a group of people who are positioning themselves to run.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 22 January 2018 18:16 (six years ago) link
yeah i don't disagree with that. and to the extent that self-interested political careerism can have spinoff benefits, i'd count this as one - people seem to have taken the lesson that shitty votes on things like the iraq war resolution did keep coming up and hamstringing politicians to various degrees later on. so, make fewer shitty votes; there's no percentage in seeming "bipartisan" when the majority party is a racist nightmare think tank.
― Righteous wax chaperone, rotating Wingdings (Doctor Casino), Monday, 22 January 2018 18:21 (six years ago) link
lmao https://voterguide.dallasnews.com/2018-primary/races/40/#candidates=candidate-82,candidate-83
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 22 January 2018 18:22 (six years ago) link
^ change has to start somewhere. the 23 year old guy is just acting like an average 23 year old, but more publically than most. ergo, lmao.
― A is for (Aimless), Monday, 22 January 2018 18:31 (six years ago) link
dickwolf 2020
― while my dirk gently weeps (symsymsym), Monday, 22 January 2018 18:36 (six years ago) link
so is the plan to get bipartisan senate support on a moderate DACA bill, send it to the house (where it won't pass), and then use it to beat republicans around with for the midterms and get a house majority?
i mean, okay, but that still doesn't get DACA protection passed.
― 龜, Monday, 22 January 2018 18:45 (six years ago) link
Dems suck, that is all
― frogbs, Monday, 22 January 2018 18:49 (six years ago) link
Dems suck, that is all― frogbs, Monday, January 22, 2018 6:49 PM (fifteen seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― frogbs, Monday, January 22, 2018 6:49 PM (fifteen seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
they need the gov't reopened so they can get back to work killing dodd/frank with 1,000 papercuts with their gop friends
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 22 January 2018 18:51 (six years ago) link
I would love to throw eggs at Maria Cantwell and Patty Murray today. Fucking spineless shitheads.
― brotherlovesdub, Monday, 22 January 2018 18:56 (six years ago) link
what bothers me is not so much that they caved, but rather that they caved to a known bunch of amoral liars who are absolutely going to use it as evidence that they can pull more power plays like this in the future
― frogbs, Monday, 22 January 2018 19:03 (six years ago) link
Sure, the CR is a three-week thing and it opens up the possibility of another opportunity on Feburary 8th.But that's 2,562 Dreamers that will lose protections by that time.What depraved act does ICE have to do to show that they give NO shits about separating families?— Kristian Steffany 🌹 (@kksteffany) January 22, 2018
― Simon H., Monday, 22 January 2018 19:03 (six years ago) link
democrats aren't perfect. they lost 1041 state and federal posts (congressional and state legislative seats, and governorships) while obama was president. i wonder how many they're going to lose while trump is president
― reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 22 January 2018 19:12 (six years ago) link
democrats 2018: pobody's nerfect!
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 22 January 2018 19:14 (six years ago) link
I mean on one hand I kind of get it, partisan politics has such a prisoner's dilemma aspect to it, and the GOP has been very loudly saying "we will fuck you over" at every turn. there's not really a whole lot the Dems could do.
that said, the Dems are pretty good at making the worst of a bad situation
― frogbs, Monday, 22 January 2018 19:15 (six years ago) link
anyway on a later note, something strange is going on with Sheriff Big Boy
https://twitter.com/SheriffClarkeTC
― frogbs, Monday, 22 January 2018 19:16 (six years ago) link
If DACA doesn't pass in February, it's either on McConnell for not honoring promise, or on the GOP and Trump. Thus, what they got was, at worst, a Feb shutdown that can't be blamed on Dems.
Politically, it looks fine for the Dems. Morally -- those DACA beneficiaries who will lose status while the Chuck Todds of our lives sigh with relief -- it's another story.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 January 2018 19:31 (six years ago) link
yea I get that but the Dems have absolutely zero reason to trust McConnell on this, given that he's broken this exact promise several times already
meanwhile they come off as spineless and look like they really don't care about the Dreamers after all
we'll see what happens in 3 weeks but I'm not hopeful
― frogbs, Monday, 22 January 2018 19:40 (six years ago) link
like the whole reason DACA is on the table right now is because McConnell broke his promise to vote on it in December. Schumer just setting up to get Charlie Brown'd yet again
― frogbs, Monday, 22 January 2018 19:44 (six years ago) link
It's tricky tho. The GOP isn't wrong in thinking that "Dem shutdown for illegals" is a politically strong hand. No guarantee that continuing the shutdown leads to any better outcome for DACA. At least this way they have a shot -- however slim -- at separating the issue from the CR. And if it still leads to another shutdown in two weeks, it's more obviously on the GOP.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 22 January 2018 19:46 (six years ago) link
The leverage the Dems have atm is very easy to overestimate. The people handed the reins of government to a crowd of despicable people, but the shitheels hold the power and the Dems have almost zilch to work with. To reach back to an archaic saying, fine words butter no parsnips.
― A is for (Aimless), Monday, 22 January 2018 19:51 (six years ago) link
idk "the GOP is trying to kill children" seems like decent leverage to me
― frogbs, Monday, 22 January 2018 19:55 (six years ago) link
Have you followed American politics at all?
― Frederik B, Monday, 22 January 2018 19:57 (six years ago) link
.@GOPWhip also made it clear no commitment for House to take up Senate DACA deal, saying any bill had to include funding for the wall and "would not include amnesty"— Deirdre Walsh (@deirdrewalshcnn) January 22, 2018
lmao already
how did the Dems bungle this so badly
― frogbs, Monday, 22 January 2018 19:57 (six years ago) link
BREAKING: Pennsylvania Supreme Court throws out state's congressional map, ruling that gerrymandering violates constitution.— The Associated Press (@AP) January 22, 2018
― mookieproof, Monday, 22 January 2018 19:59 (six years ago) link
the GOP is trying to kill children
In other words... another Tuesday?
― godzillas in the mist (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 22 January 2018 20:02 (six years ago) link
xpost Cool, let's see how long it takes the SC to overturn that one!
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Monday, 22 January 2018 20:03 (six years ago) link
WHOA re SC-PA and gerrymandering, I'm not sure people were optimistic about the outcome of that case.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 22 January 2018 20:04 (six years ago) link
it's a 'commonwealth' steve, but
Important: Because this lawsuit relies solely on Pennsylvania's *state* constitution, there would be little room for the U.S. Supreme Court to overturn a decision striking down the map https://t.co/BE1AC9tsrT— Stephen Wolf (@PoliticsWolf) January 19, 2018
― mookieproof, Monday, 22 January 2018 20:06 (six years ago) link
The GOP isn't wrong in thinking that "Dem shutdown for illegals" is a politically strong hand.
It's catnip for Red Hatters, who've been pushing the distorted optics fostered by Comrade Combover of hurting the military to save these people who shouldn't have been here in the first place.
― Never Learn To Mike Love (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 22 January 2018 20:08 (six years ago) link
lmao https://voterguide.dallasnews.com/2018-primary/races/40/#candidates=candidate-82,candidate-83― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, January 22, 2018 1:22 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, January 22, 2018 1:22 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Nhex, Monday, 22 January 2018 20:22 (six years ago) link
I suspect that the reason Trump and the GOP expect North Korea, Iran et al to capitulate entirely on negotiations is because they're so used to negotiating with Democrats.— Malcolm Fleschner (@CultureShlock) January 22, 2018
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 22 January 2018 20:22 (six years ago) link
― marcos, Monday, 22 January 2018 20:25 (six years ago) link
*massive bong rip* legalize weed
― marcos, Monday, 22 January 2018 20:26 (six years ago) link
― frogbs, 22. januar 2018 20:57 (twenty-five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
The point is that if no deal is made, McConnell will put a clean DACA on the Senate floor. Where it will pass. It would pass the house as well. Ryan then has to block the bill, knowing full well it would lead to a shutdown.
― Frederik B, Monday, 22 January 2018 20:29 (six years ago) link
McConnell will put a clean DACA on the Senate floor.
you sure about this
― frogbs, Monday, 22 January 2018 20:31 (six years ago) link
McConnell will promised to put a clean DACA on the Senate floor.
a distinction with a difference
― A is for (Aimless), Monday, 22 January 2018 20:34 (six years ago) link
It's the point of the deal. The fact that he might be lying doesn't change what the deal is.
― Frederik B, Monday, 22 January 2018 20:36 (six years ago) link
And yes frogbs. Back in December McConnell promised to put an immigration bill on the floor if there was one. There isn't. This time he promised to put a DACA bill on the floor if there is no immigration bill.
― Frederik B, Monday, 22 January 2018 20:38 (six years ago) link
Per my previous, he also promised Collins a vote to shore up health care in exchange for their tax votes.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 22 January 2018 20:39 (six years ago) link
Basically, the second this turns sour - like, tomorrow? as soon as the president farts into his phone? - I finally have reason to call my senators and be angry.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 22 January 2018 20:40 (six years ago) link
It's definitely going to turn sour. I'd say in three weeks...
― Frederik B, Monday, 22 January 2018 20:41 (six years ago) link
McConnell managed to delay a SC appointment for almost a year under a sitting president. I wouldn't put anything past him/them.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 22 January 2018 20:49 (six years ago) link
He is a lying piece of shit, so yeah.
― Frederik B, Monday, 22 January 2018 20:52 (six years ago) link
been thinking about taking up prayer just for pieces of shit like him
― Simon H., Monday, 22 January 2018 20:55 (six years ago) link
is it ok to whine about Dem fecklessness yet?
― Empire Burl Ives (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 22 January 2018 21:06 (six years ago) link
kinda wonder what Harry Reid woulda done? prob not this?
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Monday, 22 January 2018 21:07 (six years ago) link
“The three richest people in the US own the same wealth as the bottom half of the US population (roughly 160 million people).”
https://splinternews.com/heres-how-we-distribute-the-wealth-at-the-moment-1822297968
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 22 January 2018 21:18 (six years ago) link
From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs amirite
― ♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 22 January 2018 21:25 (six years ago) link
To each according to his tweets.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 January 2018 21:30 (six years ago) link
i can't tell you how many times i have seen a stat like that dismissed with "yeah but they pay more taxes, so"
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 22 January 2018 21:53 (six years ago) link
BREAKING: Trump to impose 30 percent tariff on solar cell imports https://t.co/55ESgTPtgI— CNBC (@CNBC) January 22, 2018
Coal is BACK, BABY!!
― frogbs, Monday, 22 January 2018 21:59 (six years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/NdQytF2.gif
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 22 January 2018 22:27 (six years ago) link
the good news is that we can count on the big green groups to unite and spearhead a huge nationwide protest this saturday, taking advantage of the pent-up frustration of progressives who already got fucked over once today. people who are angry about the dreamers and about trump's anti-environmental policies should intersectionality the shit out of the cities this weekend, in the fucking intersections.
but jk, big green groups aren't going to unite
― Karl Malone, Monday, 22 January 2018 22:34 (six years ago) link
still can't believe Trump spent all weekend being pouty in the WH and wound up getting everything he wanted
― frogbs, Monday, 22 January 2018 22:53 (six years ago) link
14,000 people marched in knoxville for the women's march, according to the police
unprecedented action in recent decades afaik
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 22 January 2018 22:59 (six years ago) link
The flip side is that the president was sidelined - cuckolded, if you will - while congress fooled around without him. I am not hopeful, because why would I be, but given this only goes to Feb. 8, CHIP is now off the table, and apparently The Wall is not included, this is going to happen again in less than a month if DACA is not addressed. And may happen again in less than a month even if DACA is addressed. But this time the Dems bought themselves extra cover. And the president's only role as usual will be in fucking it all up, which only helps the Dems. If Mitch lied again, they've got cover. If the president fucks up again, they've got cover. When the house scuttles the whole thing, they've got cover. Of course, they may just back down again, but at least they'll be in a better position if they decide to fight.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 22 January 2018 23:13 (six years ago) link
Erik Loomis:
A) CHIP is a huge policy win for Democrats. You might say that Republicans had to deal with this anyway. No they didn’t. It’s a party of nihilists who don’t care if children die. Taking CHIP off the table for 6 years is a positive win.
2) Taking CHIP off the table undermines Republican leverage for the next battle. They have no policy position that Democrats must vote for going forward.
3) The deal is only for a few weeks. On February 8, if the Republicans have not dealt with Dreamers, then Democrats can shut the government down again, this time with the very clear narrative that Mitch McConnell is a liar and that they gave Republicans a chance to fix the problem and they are all lying liars who lie.
4) Despite the incredibly inhuman injustice of our immigration policy, no Dreamers will be deported before February 8.
Now, if February 8 comes and Democratic senators back off of a confrontation to protect Dreamers, that’s really bad. But this gives another few weeks to ratchet up the pressure on them and on Republicans to get this done.
I don’t see a downside here. But then I am just a neoliberal shill who apologizes for the Democratic Party.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 00:27 (six years ago) link
Yeah but I still saw a photo of McConnel today with a shit-eating grin and I want to be mad at someone.
― brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 00:44 (six years ago) link
Pundit on the radio just now basically predicted that a DACA bill won't even make its way out of the Senate.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 00:44 (six years ago) link
So called neutral bill with amendment process? I don't see how they don't fuck that up.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 00:45 (six years ago) link
Jonathan Swan of Axios reported Monday night, based on “three sources with direct knowledge,” that FBI Director Chris Wray “threatened to resign” if FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe “was removed” from office. The threat apparently came in response to pressure on Wray by “Attorney General Jeff Sessions—at the public urging of President Donald Trump” to fire McCabe. Swan also reported, based on one source “familiar with the situation,” that “Sessions told White House Counsel Don McGahn about how upset Wray was about the pressure on him to fire McCabe, and McGahn told Sessions this issue wasn’t worth losing the FBI Director over.” It isn’t entirely clear from the story when these events took place—that is, whether the controversy that led to Wray’s threat of resignation is ongoing or if it occurred sometime earlier and has since subsided.
https://www.lawfareblog.com/power-and-integrity-fbi-chris-wray-stands-president-and-attorney-general
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 09:13 (six years ago) link
This fucking asshole just loves some bullshit conspiracy stories. The #secretsociety hidden Hillary email text must have been playing hard on fox this morning.
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 12:19 (six years ago) link
https://d2ffutrenqvap3.cloudfront.net/items/2v0g1z3F1T2d2V3n282D/America%20Shutdown.jpg
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 12:51 (six years ago) link
I think of all the disappointing news yesterday the 30% tariff on solar panels is by far the most depressing
― frogbs, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 14:17 (six years ago) link
Just wait until The Don issues his executive order that all of America's faucets and AC units must be run 24/7. We're gonna kill off this biosphere yet!
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 14:19 (six years ago) link
a tire fire on every corner, a song in every heart
― grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 14:20 (six years ago) link
a pokemon go-style app where you get points for actually shooting endangered animals
― grim-n-gritty hooty reboot (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 14:22 (six years ago) link
also Trump cheerfully gloating that the "DEMOCRATS CAVED!!!" over and over despite spending the whole weekend sulking is pretty depressing too
― frogbs, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 14:22 (six years ago) link
We wouldn't even need to bother with other alternative energy sources if we could figure out a way to harness the power of the nihilistic spite and resentment that fuels the pleathery corpus of our president.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 14:30 (six years ago) link
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/23/us/politics/jeff-sessions-special-counsel-russia.html
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 15:28 (six years ago) link
Someone explain something to me: what the Dems got, if anything, was the promise of some sort of DACA vote in the next couple of weeks. But Mitch said it's an up or down vote, which means no filibuster, so ... it just needs a majority, 51. What are the odds it won't be some shitty pseudo-DACA bill will all sorts of horrible stuff attached in the amendment process that then passes, just by picking off some chickenshit Dem or two? What do the Dems do then? For that matter, what do they do when Mitch says he fulfilled his promise for a DACA vote and either a) they don't vote for it, or b) they threaten to shut down the government again? How does that put Dems in a better position?
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 16:01 (six years ago) link
CHIP.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 16:05 (six years ago) link
The bill will be loaded with poison pills that are only meant to be surrendered as pawns for arming up ICE like a branch of the military and imposing unmeetable income/employment standards on those who are allowed to say.
This is possibly the first time the President has really shown his negotiating chops. He didn't take DACA away to throw the dreamers out. He took it away to hold it hostage for a whole slew of stuff that would never have otherwise even made it to the table. We are actually going to have a wall, or big stupid parts of one.
― Empire Burl Ives (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 16:14 (six years ago) link
CHIP
a program popular with both republicans and democrats. democrats get the thing that everyone wanted anyway, never should have lapsed, and never should have been a part of any negotiation. not necessarily blaming democrats for it. the current republican strategy is to turn every mandatory event (passing a budget, raising the debt ceiling) into a hostage situation.
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 16:15 (six years ago) link
The Democrats were utterly humiliated yesterday. This can only be seen as a huge loss and display of weakness from Schumer and the rest of the dead weight in the Senate. We are doomed if they are our best hope.
― brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 16:39 (six years ago) link
Seriously, And this during a weekend when millions of people were mobilized and out on the streets again. They lasted ... a weekend. Before any polls even came out.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 16:40 (six years ago) link
it's almost like they don't want the same things as the people that keep voting for them.
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 16:45 (six years ago) link
It's almost as if that's what being in the minority is like.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 16:47 (six years ago) link
Then why not just accede to every dumb GOP demand?
My senators Durbin (who wrote the original DACA bill on 2001, I think) and Duckworth, they are not (always) cowardly centrist water-carriers, for all their flaws. So who knows what is up with them.
The Dems are going to get exactly what they wanted on or before Feb 8, and they're not going to like it. They are going to get some sort of half-assed DACA "fix" (with caveats), and then be asked to accept a bazillion dollars for a wall, limitations to legal migration, hell, more tax cuts and attacks on the ACA, who knows. And they'll either accept it, like a bunch of assholes, or they'll say no, and the GOP will have them in the exact same place. "Oh, I thought you wanted DACA? Do you care more about these illegal immigrants than you do security? Then you do freedom? Then you do Christmas?" And it will be "their" shutdown again should they choose to go that route.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 16:50 (six years ago) link
hey but Donny didn't get to go to his party so there is that .
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 16:52 (six years ago) link
winning!
not to get all nate silver up in here but I dont think anyone is going to remember this shit in 6 months
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 16:53 (six years ago) link
It's almost as if that's what being in the minority is like
i feel like the GOP would have handled differently. now ultimately what ends are ayone's guess. i guess.
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 16:55 (six years ago) link
*to what ends
(minority GOP)
You can't win with nihilists, and this particular group of nihilists didn't give a shit about CHIP; now it's off the table for six years. That's a big deal in South Florida!
Also, as 2013 proved – when everyone knew the Obama administration was not going to pull funding or whatever for its own health care program – the public has a short memory for shutdowns. I don't think the GOP gives a shit about DACA either. its recipients waiting on the good will of Mitch McConnell are in a terrible spot, but the reporting this morning suggests that Susan Collins and her Merry Moderates, a dozen strong, haven't forgotten the other promises he made to them and intend to humiliate him in February should he fall short. And the Dems will have another villain to run against in November.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 16:55 (six years ago) link
i don't know what this measure's chances are on the ballot, but this seems like very good news
Florida election officials have verified that the voting rights amendment that would restore voting rights to as many as 1,500,000 convicted felons has gotten enough signatures to make the ballot this November. https://t.co/ywciSYVH0f— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) January 23, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 16:56 (six years ago) link
was about to post that!
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 16:56 (six years ago) link
wow!
― (the blues version in his Broadway show) (crüt), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 16:57 (six years ago) link
They won't remember this in 6 months because now CHIP is off the table and, in a few weeks, DACA will be as well. And all sorts of other horrible shit will have passed to get those things done.
There was no real disagreement in DC or among the public with CHIP or DACA. It's the GOP that had been putting them both off, for weeks, for months, for years. The Dems just seriously risked dividing their support and slowing momentum/hindering enthusiasm, in an election year, by fighting and sacrificing for things that both sides wanted and have in the past agreed on.
I'm more hopeful for gains in the House and/or senate thanks to grassroots mobilization and legal decisions, but for all I know these kinds of shitty moves on the parts of mainstream Dems could put even safe races at risk.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 16:58 (six years ago) link
xp apparently it needs 60% to pass
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 16:59 (six years ago) link
I know we like horse races and shit on a thread that updates every few minutes, but let's wait until after February before we consider long term effects.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 16:59 (six years ago) link
― frogbs, Tuesday, January 23, 2018 6:17 AM
I have a lot to say about this but I'm going to stick with this: The blame here lies squarely on Solar World and Suniva, the two companies who initiated the trade case. Trump didn't give them nearly what they wanted here, which means that instead of a total disaster this is just a bump in the road, and not as bad as the 2012 retroactive tariffs.
see also the Solar Power thread
― sleeve, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 17:00 (six years ago) link
I know we like horse races and shit on a thread that updates every few minutes, but let's wait until after February before we consider long term effects.― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, January 23, 2018 4:59 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, January 23, 2018 4:59 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
the twitter thread had a relevant take on this thread this morning -
One of the warning signs for me is when I can’t tell the difference between a big problem and a small problem. My brain stops prioritizing. Every problem comes at me at exactly the same size. This is depression taking away a major coping mechanism. And that’s exactly what was happening on Twitter. Every outrage was becoming the exact same size.
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 17:02 (six years ago) link
xposts if ever there was a demagogue-able ballot initiative, cue Willie Horton ducking darkly behind the voting booth curtains. Not gonna happen esp at that threshold
― Empire Burl Ives (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 17:03 (six years ago) link
I guess we'll have to wait 3 weeks to see how much of a spine the Dems actually have but for now I suppose you can say getting CHIP off the table when the GOP was using it as a hostage is sort of a win for the Dems. Now all they've got is DACA? Also, as pointed out, the Dems are the minority party, they don't have all that much leverage to begin with.
That said the Dems caving one day after one of the largest protests in US History is exactly the sort of thing that will lead to disappointment come midterms. If they don't fight like hell for this in 3 weeks I'm never giving them another dime.
― frogbs, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 17:06 (six years ago) link
Budget requires 60 votes. "Promised" DACA or whatever vote is up/down vote, which is simple majority, afaict. And this bullshit about negotiation ... there have been several DACA bills and compromised. There was one just a couple of weeks ago! Why couldn't the Dems have just said Durbin/Graham or GTFO?
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 17:11 (six years ago) link
imo we're all gonna die, but we're supposed to think that's a good thing now
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 17:11 (six years ago) link
wait i thought the 60% was about the florida referendum
― Righteous wax chaperone, rotating Wingdings (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 17:19 (six years ago) link
yeah my 60% comment refers the florida felon enfranchisement vote
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 17:23 (six years ago) link
oh, whoops, yeah
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 17:23 (six years ago) link
via Corey Robin
Democratic institutions are presumed to be permeable and responsive to the popular will. When they aren't, voters begin to view them as illegitimate.
The problem didn't start with Donald Trump, but he makes it far worse — by giving democratically unresponsive institutions a high-minded justification for doubling down on the status quo at the very moment when popular agitation on both the right and the left is demanding more dramatic change. (Would a democratic-socialist president be permitted to pass and implement a single-payer health-care system? Or would the courts immediately declare it unconstitutional? We may find out with the election of our next Democratic president.)
This may be the paradoxical way that Trump contributes to the longer-term breakdown to democracy in the United States: Not by seizing power in the name of the people, but by inadvertently demonstrating that the people possess remarkably little power under the current system to change anything significant at all.
http://theweek.com/articles/750016/against-great-rethinking-about-trump
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 17:29 (six years ago) link
But how can McConnell hold a debate on DACA that can't be filibustered? Cloture only comes in at the end.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 17:34 (six years ago) link
for now I suppose you can say getting CHIP off the table when the GOP was using it as a hostage is sort of a win for the Dems
Try replacing "the Dems" with "poor children who need health insurance" and see how you feel.
― grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 17:42 (six years ago) link
lol yeah I know but I feel like the Dems actually care about sick kids to some extent, while the GOP would be more than happy to let it expire just so they can blame the Democrats for it
― frogbs, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 19:00 (six years ago) link
Heard some House idiot float the idea of allowing Dreamers to stay for renewable (which I guess means potentially not-renewed?) 3 year spans while they wait in "line," not (immediately) deported but not given citizenship, either. That's the sort of shit we're going to get.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 19:46 (six years ago) link
most depressing is the Facebook friends I've got posting shit like "Let's say a father and daughter broke into your house. After they've already ransacked it, the US Government says that the daughter gets to stay, and you have to house her and pay for her education!! Does that seem FAIR?? Well now you understand DACA..."
― frogbs, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 19:51 (six years ago) link
i am glad i am not friends with people posting that shit
― marcos, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 19:52 (six years ago) link
ransacked it? by working and paying taxes?
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 20:05 (six years ago) link
no no, these people are all attended public schools and are now on welfare
― frogbs, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 20:08 (six years ago) link
fuck this damn monsters and their pathetic nonsense unfriend them
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 20:09 (six years ago) link
brb unfriending 2/3 of white americans
― the late great, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 20:12 (six years ago) link
We really should be taking down names for the day when fuckers like that no longer have an implicit mandate to just say whatever xenophobic bullshit springs into what passes for their minds.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 20:17 (six years ago) link
And a large percentage of nonwhite Americans, especially legal immigrants who've been here a long-ass time and hate illegal immigrants as much as any redneck strawman.
― grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 20:17 (six years ago) link
yup. sad to say this is true from personal experience
― Nhex, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 20:20 (six years ago) link
idk i don't have shit like that in my feed because i unfriended them
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 20:23 (six years ago) link
yes. those non-white long term immigrants who hate new immigrants do exist. and they're no better than the white people who hate new immigrants. the point is that the USA makes it extremely hard to work here legally, but happily exploits the millions who are working and living here without green cards. that's the problem. not the color or immigration status of the haters.
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 20:23 (six years ago) link
as a legal immigrant coming from a family of legal immigrants, i can say i am definitely related to some of those nonwhites who hate illegal immigrants
but it's not like they're the voting bloc that matters
― the late great, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 20:27 (six years ago) link
btw, there are tons of illegal immigrants from European countries, who overstayed their tourist visas and never went home. we just don't hear much about them.
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 20:28 (six years ago) link
been hearing a lot about that poor polish doctor from michigan
― the late great, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 20:32 (six years ago) link
that's not sarcastic, i really do feel bad for the guy
― the late great, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 20:35 (six years ago) link
ya would hate to be the token "see, we deport white people too!" guy
― frogbs, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 20:37 (six years ago) link
so Chuck now saying the wall is off the table, which I'm sure means in three weeks he's going to agree to sell all the DREAMers into slave labor to build the thing so the Democrat party doesn't appear "unreasonable" or "obstructionist" to racist soccer moms
― frogbs, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 20:53 (six years ago) link
!!! Rep. Pat Meehan says he never harassed his aide - he merely told her they were “soulmates” and “lash(ed) out” when he found out she had a boyfriend because he cared about her a lot. https://t.co/41PEjnkFXP— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) January 23, 2018
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 20:53 (six years ago) link
Look, no-one knows that this won't work, right?
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 20:55 (six years ago) link
mueller wants to talk to the smart guy https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mueller-seeks-to-question-trump-about-flynn-and-comey-departures/2018/01/23/e6652db6-0068-11e8-9d31-d72cf78dbeee_story.html?tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.c2eb20758979
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 21:06 (six years ago) link
trump is going to be so mad when he finds out the investigation didn't end before christmas
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 21:07 (six years ago) link
Rep. Pat Meehan vehemently denies throwing his trash into the street, claiming he merely tossed his refuse onto the road.
― the smartest persin in the room (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 21:08 (six years ago) link
lol no way Trump's lawyers are gonna let him do this
he might do it anyway
― frogbs, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 21:08 (six years ago) link
haha this right here
Meehan -- accused of turning hostile when aide rejected him - says he was "tough" on staff but attributes it to stress around ACA repeal vote: https://t.co/Fhv7egSQL3 https://t.co/XtSPnOF9Hm— Jonathan Tamari (@JonathanTamari) January 23, 2018
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 21:11 (six years ago) link
tammy duckworth is preggers, will be first sitting senator to give birth
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 21:11 (six years ago) link
when you get caught harassing young aide just blame obama
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 21:12 (six years ago) link
lol no way Trump's lawyers are gonna let him do thishe might do it anyway
My favorite bit:
Roger Stone, a longtime informal adviser to Trump, said he should try to avoid an interview at all costs, saying agreeing to such a session would be a “suicide mission.”“I find it to be a death wish. Why would you walk into a perjury trap?” Stone said. “The president would be very poorly advised to give Mueller an interview.”
“I find it to be a death wish. Why would you walk into a perjury trap?” Stone said. “The president would be very poorly advised to give Mueller an interview.”
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 21:14 (six years ago) link
just do it and be a legend
― gbx, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 21:15 (six years ago) link
"Yes I had sex with her."
*awkward silence*
"We were asking about the conversation with the Russian ambassador."
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 21:20 (six years ago) link
Mookie - so is New Zealand's Prime Minister.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/01/19/new-zealands-prime-minister-is-pregnant-i-am-not-the-first-woman-to-multitask-she-says/?utm_term=.5129565552d8
― bannonality of evil (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 21:23 (six years ago) link
I will say there's a certain cinematic quality to the fact that Trump is on TV all the time while Mueller seems to only be seen in stock photos
― frogbs, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 21:25 (six years ago) link
idk one thing you could do is not perjure yourself
― tobo73, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 21:26 (six years ago) link
do you know who we're talking about here?
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 21:27 (six years ago) link
Grab 'em by the perjury
― Never Learn To Mike Love (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 21:43 (six years ago) link
lmao Trump would perjure himself in about 30 seconds without even being asked a question
― frogbs, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 21:44 (six years ago) link
What's the Twain line? You never have to remember what you said if you always tell to truth?
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 21:54 (six years ago) link
"If you tell the truth you don't have to remember anything."
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 21:55 (six years ago) link
are these interviews done under oath?
― tobo73, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 21:55 (six years ago) link
it's not perjury, it's "truthful hyperbole"
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 21:56 (six years ago) link
(Twain did not say that)
Ned LOL
― Empire Burl Ives (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 22:38 (six years ago) link
^whoops referring to sex joke
― Empire Burl Ives (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 23 January 2018 22:39 (six years ago) link
"I don't remember. I don't remember."
― nickn, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 23:02 (six years ago) link
I liked this nice little short Q&A
Q: Are you suggesting we should then not try and refute Trump's falsehoods if that only helps him?A: No, I am not saying don't refute them. I am saying you don't refute them by repeating his language and repeating his claims. You refute them by undermining them, you refute them by understanding what you are doing and saying the opposite in positive terms not in negative terms.
A: No, I am not saying don't refute them. I am saying you don't refute them by repeating his language and repeating his claims. You refute them by undermining them, you refute them by understanding what you are doing and saying the opposite in positive terms not in negative terms.
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 00:54 (six years ago) link
you refute them by understanding what you are doing and saying the opposite in positive terms not in negative terms.
this might work on the retail level, just talking to this or that co-worker or friend. on the wholesale level, trump will always have the biggest megaphone and spread his lies further and faster than anyone else can keep up with. schumer or pelosi can talk until they turn blue, but trump will get 20 minutes to each minute they get in the media.
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 02:06 (six years ago) link
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/01/senator-reportedly-had-to-be-talked-out-of-retiring.html
manchin
― j., Wednesday, 24 January 2018 02:27 (six years ago) link
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-asked-the-acting-fbi-director-whom-he-voted-for-during-oval-office-meeting/2018/01/23/2cb50818-0073-11e8-8acf-ad2991367d9d_story.html?utm_term=.5118bd8bb4c8
Shortly after President Trump fired his FBI director in May, he summoned to the Oval Office the bureau’s acting director for a get-to-know-you meeting.
The two men exchanged pleasantries, but before long, Trump, according to several current and former U.S. officials, asked Andrew McCabe a pointed question: Whom did he vote for in the 2016 election?
McCabe said he didn’t vote, according to the officials, who, like others interviewed for this article, spoke on the condition of anonymity to talk candidly about a sensitive matter.
Trump, the officials said, also vented his anger at McCabe over the several hundred thousand dollars in donations his wife, a Democrat, received for her failed 2015 Virginia state Senate bid from a political action committee controlled by a close friend of Hillary Clinton.
― maura, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 02:29 (six years ago) link
its kind of funny cuz this is almost verbatim what the Dilbert guy says, except the Dilbert guy is so desperate for validation and a fanbase that he's had to frame these things as virtues - "Trump would make a great president b/c he's good at repeating lies"
there's definitely some merit to it - I still think the "Obama and Hillary created ISIS!!!" tweet was just to bait the media into talking about the failures in the Middle East over the last 8 years. I don't think Trump is very savvy in general but I feel like he's got a handle on this sort of thing. ditto for the "actually Hillary was the original birther!!" thing. I get why the media didn't latch onto this at first but they sorta played into his hands for basically the entire campaign
― frogbs, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 03:18 (six years ago) link
white trash house. no one wants to say it
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 03:39 (six years ago) link
Hmmm...
There’s news in the Manafort/Gates case tonight: Longtime Manafort ally RICK GATES is potentially negotiating a plea deal as additional charges are expected soon (likely superseding indictment) https://t.co/QmpZXbV6O6— Marshall Cohen (@MarshallCohen) January 24, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 04:52 (six years ago) link
what a cast of characters
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 05:41 (six years ago) link
Evangelicals are the worst (look at some of the vids/articles on CNN front page for context)
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 06:53 (six years ago) link
Just a Supreme Court justice sitting in on a little gop senate caucus strategy session. https://t.co/JosBnlDW0y— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) January 23, 2018
― "Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 08:09 (six years ago) link
It’s spelled “stategery,” matthew Anyhoo with Gowdy and Nunes leading the charge I am certain the FBI is really in for it over these MISSING TEXTS
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 11:36 (six years ago) link
We must find those uranium one email texts between Hillary and her FBI love triangle! Our country depends on it
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 12:59 (six years ago) link
God, I hope she doesn't get elected president for a second term, such a criminal. We have to purge the government of people like her. Hillary Clinton, resign now!
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 13:06 (six years ago) link
I don't think Trump is very savvy in general but I feel like he's got a handle on this sort of thing
Big deal. Every schoolyard bully in 1976 had it down too. I know you are but what am I. I'm rubber, you're glue. Why are you hitting yourself?
Righteous indignation was no comfort then, and it's no comfort now. Then as now, the solution is to dethrone the bully and make him irrelevant. Don't fight on his chosen ground; move toward a situation where you have the advantage, not him.
― bannonality of evil (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 13:34 (six years ago) link
All it'll take is a WH staffer with a flathead screwdriver and the chutzpah to wedge it into a bathroom door jamb during a POTUS tweet jag.
― Senior Soft-Serve Tech at the Froyo Arroyo (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 13:55 (six years ago) link
Get the upper ground. Like say this grassy knoll here
― Evan, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 13:55 (six years ago) link
mad puffin otm, this is why i’m so dismayed by the “re-appropriation” of all his semi-literate sloganeering
― maura, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 14:11 (six years ago) link
it just drags everyone even closer to his level
― maura, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 14:12 (six years ago) link
― your skeleton is ready to hatch (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 14:13 (six years ago) link
I'll trust their judgment wrt the wisest employment of said screwdriver.
― Senior Soft-Serve Tech at the Froyo Arroyo (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 14:19 (six years ago) link
fuck i screwed up my strikethrough formatting there but i trust you get the gist
― your skeleton is ready to hatch (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 14:22 (six years ago) link
The best examples of re-appropriation have been pretty organic, but there's really no template. It happens if it happens. For example: I believe that "gay" and "queer" were pretty skillfully turned, by people who were skilled in messaging.
I'm a known Hillary stan (sorry) but as a student of branding, I acknowledge that "deplorables" was happily embraced by garbage people and robbed of its negative power. That there are now dating websites for deplorables confirms this. Further, I don't think "the woman card/deal me in" worked very well.
Not Trump but I think "nevertheless, she persisted" will ultimately turn out to be a success story for progressives.
"Pussy grabs back" would have been legendary if it had worked.
The world awaits someone with the right trolling skillz to take Trumpoid trolling and flip it successfully.
― bannonality of evil (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 14:23 (six years ago) link
It took Trump and company approximately fifteen minutes to completely appropriate and subvert the term 'fake news'. It's kind of impressive, tbh.
― Senior Soft-Serve Tech at the Froyo Arroyo (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 14:25 (six years ago) link
honestly i can't remember the last time i heard this in public discourse
― your skeleton is ready to hatch (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 14:27 (six years ago) link
http://stumblingandmumbling.typepad.com/stumbling_and_mumbling/2018/01/when-selection-mechanisms-fail.html
― mark s, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 14:28 (six years ago) link
'fake news' was already dumb and meaningless when it was exclusive to the Frederiks of the webosphere
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 14:37 (six years ago) link
It's dumb meaninglessness is, I'm sure, a large part of the reason why it was appropriated. They're monosyllabic words that Trump recognizes. Which is I'm sure why we've yet to see a subverted 'nevertheless, I persisted' tweet from our beloved POTUS.
― Senior Soft-Serve Tech at the Froyo Arroyo (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 14:50 (six years ago) link
But do you know any 45-year-old women with ready access to a tattoo artist? I do.
― bannonality of evil (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 14:52 (six years ago) link
Ha, or a similarly-aged neighbor who recently found just the right sticker for her car bumper?
― Senior Soft-Serve Tech at the Froyo Arroyo (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 14:55 (six years ago) link
(NB, I live in a deep, deep blue city, so my experience is probably not emblematic of the US as a whole.)
― Senior Soft-Serve Tech at the Froyo Arroyo (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 14:56 (six years ago) link
It may be a trivial bit of virtue-signaling but I think these things are important. If your enemy's entrenched and rallying around slogans, why should you not be also?
― bannonality of evil (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 15:10 (six years ago) link
There's a Newsweek "She Persisted" special on newsstands right now.
― Never Learn To Mike Love (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 15:12 (six years ago) link
Simona Mangiante — fiancée of former Trump campaign worker George Papadopoulos — told the WashPost: “I believe history will remember him like John Dean."
she is very in love with this man
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 15:24 (six years ago) link
honestly i can't remember the last time i heard this in public discourseBut do you know any 45-year-old women with ready access to a tattoo artist? I do.
― bannonality of evil (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, January 24, 2018 2:52 PM (thirty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ya real talk maybe filter bubble in play here but i see enough lefty women continuing to mock this slogan that it suggests to me *they're* continuing to see it out there
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 15:26 (six years ago) link
Unfortunately, the one thing that works on school bullies like 45 - being a small person with an unexpected haymaker/left hook/nut kick and an audience of your peers - is not available because rich bullies have security.
― kim jong deal (suzy), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 15:29 (six years ago) link
the question then becomes "if schoolyard bully tactics are so effective in winning elections, why was Trump the only one smart to figure that out?". which I think points to what's so unique about Trump - not only was he a man born into wealth who was given infinite chances to fuck everything up, he also possesses an extraordinary shamelessness that's practically inhuman. as craven as the GOP is I don't know how many of them could stand at a podium and vehemently insist that Hillary started the birther movement.
― frogbs, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 15:34 (six years ago) link
i'm sure lots of them could (and would), but only trump could get away with it
― your skeleton is ready to hatch (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 15:35 (six years ago) link
he's a very special man
― your skeleton is ready to hatch (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 15:36 (six years ago) link
The kind you don't take home to mother.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 15:40 (six years ago) link
His brazen lack of shame allowed him to ascend to the level of freakshow celebrity. The name recognition afforded him as a freakshow celebrity allowed him to win an election. It is, of course, more complex than that, but a jaw-dropping degree of shamelessness on its own (however disarming the tendency may be for those who are ill-prepared to combat it) are never going to be enough to win anyone a presidential election.
― Senior Soft-Serve Tech at the Froyo Arroyo (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 15:44 (six years ago) link
are is
if schoolyard bully tactics are so effective in winning elections, why was Trump the only one smart to figure that out?
this is where various berniebros have a major point imho. the mainstream DNC is like idle rich kids who stand on the side at recess while the bullies abuse the weak. they act like just because they're not harassing anyone, they're above it all, when they should, you know, be more active in taking out the bully, even risking their (entitled / born-privileged) status for it. instead the mainstream DNC refuses to recognize the bullying for what it is, because comfortable from birth (for the most part) they're reluctant to discomfort themselves by fighting fire with fire
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 15:47 (six years ago) link
^otm.
not only was he a man born into wealth who was given infinite chances to fuck everything up, he also possesses an extraordinary shamelessness that's practically inhuman
i think the latter is directly related to the former and neither are unique to this one guy
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 15:49 (six years ago) link
Not unique in kind but surely in degree. He's pure id injected with megadoses of HGH.
― Senior Soft-Serve Tech at the Froyo Arroyo (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 15:53 (six years ago) link
xpost You could probably make this point w/o referring to the many, different kinds of people who feel this way as "berniebros"
― Empire Burl Ives (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 15:54 (six years ago) link
Hillary only had to say “Do you kiss your daughter with that mouth?” in front of an audience and let the world draw obvs conclusions.
― kim jong deal (suzy), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 15:55 (six years ago) link
she only had to say go fuck yourself.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 15:58 (six years ago) link
suzy v otm. you can 'go there' with these idiots without being dumb (cf Marco's feckless little hands/ little peen salvo)
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 16:15 (six years ago) link
This is all fanfic.
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 16:30 (six years ago) link
Here we go: "No wall, no DACA"
Nice work Chuck
― Empire Burl Ives (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 16:33 (six years ago) link
so what, another shutdown in 3 weeks?
― frogbs, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 16:47 (six years ago) link
Let’s just say I have a lot of experience taking school bullies (male and female) down a couple of pegs!
― kim jong deal (suzy), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 16:48 (six years ago) link
Who gives a shit about what that toddler says. There's a majority for DACA, and not for the wall.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 16:50 (six years ago) link
Those facts are irrelevant to McConnell. There was a majority for DACA before the shutdown, too. I mean...you know he's gonna come w/ a wall built into the bill, right?
I just don't see how in this context each subsequent CR iteration of "comprehensive immigration reform" isn't going to be more nationalistic/terrifying. At some point you have to call their bluff. You can't keep saying "ok we'll let you hold the dreamers hostage for another month." I don't believe that except for a small number of nutjobs deportation is a serious prospect, it would be political suicide.
― Empire Burl Ives (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 16:57 (six years ago) link
(I also understand these are not small stakes and not to be taken lightly)
unfortunately, IIRC "ok we'll let you hold the dreamers hostage for another month" is entirely possible as the president can authorize dreamer extension beyond march, turning it into a sort of everlasting carrot
― Empire Burl Ives (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 16:59 (six years ago) link
Another useful Mariotti thread here:
THREAD: What does today’s @NBCNews report about Flynn’s FBI interview tell us about Mueller’s obstruction investigation? (Short answer: Quite a bit.)— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) January 24, 2018
As the timeline gets clearer, things get more...focused.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 17:00 (six years ago) link
xpost stick, whatever
― Empire Burl Ives (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 17:00 (six years ago) link
Ned is your sense that we are getting a lot closer to something happening here ? xp
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 17:06 (six years ago) link
A big part of the point of McConnells promise was to get Trump as far away from the process as possible. There's no reason to think McConnell will bake the wall into the bill he has promised to put on the floor, he doesn't give a shit. Really, the problem will probably either that House racists keep Ryan from putting the deal to a vote, or that Trump vetos it. Both things would lead to DREAMERS losing protection and another shutdown, but it's really tough to do anything about it, other than making sure the electoral outcome is different soon. And hopefully Ryan won't control the house in a year.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 17:06 (six years ago) link
There's no reason to think McConnell will bake the wall into the bill he has promised to put on the floor
You must not be from around these parts
― Empire Burl Ives (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 17:12 (six years ago) link
how much flour do you use to bake a wall
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 17:13 (six years ago) link
Ned is your sense that we are getting a lot closer to something happening here ?
In terms of the obstruction part of the inquiry, certainly. If anything, per Mariotti's thread, Cobb's endlessly-joked-about claim that that part of the investigation is wrapping up isn't far off.
That said, it's unclear what else is exactly being looked at, though plenty of general guesses all apply. The formal brief from Rosenstein to Mueller that opened the inquiry:
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3726408-Rosenstein-letter-appointing-Mueller-special.html
...hinges in part on a key phrase that has to be kept in mind: "any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation." Essentially, a lot of cans of worms have almost certainly been opened. And besides Gates apparently negotiating a plea -- which if that goes through means three out of the four people already charged basically admitting something -- there's this little side issue:
https://medium.com/@Erinlank/felix-sater-subpoenaed-newly-cooperative-in-new-york-money-laundering-case-against-trumps-kazakh-d865281454fc
I still think most of this involves a whole lotta people both out for themselves and trying to butter up Trump. The latter's susceptibility to flattery and his belief that everything can be quietly taken care of has kept tripping him up further.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 17:24 (six years ago) link
The promise is a DACA bill open to amendments. There will def be a wall amenment, but is there 50 votes for it? Ie, the ones to watch aren't McConnell but Collins, Graham, etc.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 17:25 (six years ago) link
basically the message the populace should take from these proceedings is "we're on our own"
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 18:15 (six years ago) link
Ned is your sense that we are getting a lot closer to something happening here ? xp― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, January 24, 2018 5:06 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, January 24, 2018 5:06 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I'm no Ned, lol, but I think there's definitely some movement going on with the special counsel - at least with regards to Gates/Manafort. There were articles last night about Gates potentially flipping (which is pretty obvious given his age, exposure, and resources to fight) and also a superceding indictment which would add more charges against them. I would assume those additional charges would be more relevant to the Russia/campaign stuff and less Ukraine related.
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 18:26 (six years ago) link
a link
https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/23/politics/rick-gates-new-attorney-mueller-russia-investigation/index.html
and a quote
"For months, court-watchers -- including Gates' own attorneys -- have anticipated additional charges against the defendants. Superseding indictments, which would add or replace charges against both Gates and Manafort, have been prepared, according to a source close to the investigation. No additional charges have been filed so far. When there is a delay in filing charges after they've been prepared, it can indicate that negotiations of some nature are ongoing."
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 18:27 (six years ago) link
returning to the thread late but the re-appropriation i was talking about was like... pieces about “shithole” countries that were meant to lift them up but still used the term, or even lazy use of “make (blank) great again” / “make america (blank) again.” it just tightens his short fingered grip on this nation’s neck
― maura, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 19:04 (six years ago) link
“I think it is just a conversation. I don’t think it intends of, you know, all of these terrible things that people are trying to put forward,” McDaniel said on CNN’s “New Day.” “I ask people who they vote for sometimes. I think it’s trying to get to know somebody. This is a president who is just getting to know people, and that’s part of those conversations.”
― Empire Burl Ives (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 19:11 (six years ago) link
^this would be RNC chair McDaniel
― Empire Burl Ives (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 19:16 (six years ago) link
This regrettable shutdown reminded all of us that, in United States #Senate, brinksmanship and hostage-taking simply do not work.— Leader McConnell (@SenateMajLdr) January 23, 2018
I want horrible things to happen to this person
― frogbs, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 19:19 (six years ago) link
also those things totally work
― Empire Burl Ives (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 19:20 (six years ago) link
xposts I give people stock tips sometimes. I see no reason why we should hold someone to a different standard if they work for the company about which they're giving stock tips. They're just being a buddy.
― Senior Soft-Serve Tech at the Froyo Arroyo (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 19:22 (six years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/NDX721b.jpg
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 19:22 (six years ago) link
somehow i missed this:
https://i.imgur.com/oeoonkF.png
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/23/senate-stick-susan-collins-government-shutdown
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 19:25 (six years ago) link
holy fuck
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 19:26 (six years ago) link
President Stick in 2020
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 19:30 (six years ago) link
Collins/Rainbow Dildo '20
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 19:34 (six years ago) link
i'm beginning to understand why schumer did what he did. whenever i'm in the room with a talking stick i just do whatever i can to get out of there as quickly as possible
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 19:35 (six years ago) link
especially when Susan Collins approaches you with her Maine smile and her glowing stick
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 19:36 (six years ago) link
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-m9ioOwX3mxY/URO3tXafomI/AAAAAAAAEks/jXdvZJlrk7M/s1600/inanimate-carbon-rod.jpg
― marcos, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 19:36 (six years ago) link
In Oregon, we passed a healthcare funding ballot measure that never should have been a ballot issue. The rep who spearheaded the campaign is a shithead republican from West Linn. The NYT wants to interview Trump voters? Head to the wealthy suburbs of any city, Portland or no.
https://splinternews.com/three-oregon-republicans-tried-to-blow-up-medicaid-it-1822351473
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 20:06 (six years ago) link
I've said it before, drive an hour outside of most cities and you might as well be in Texas.
Re: Mueller, there are several overlapping investigations going on at once. There's Russian collusion, there is Russian interference, there is obstruction of justice (re: Russia), there is financial malfeasance and crimes of his underlings (often related to Russia or Russian interests), and then there is financial malfeasance and crimes of Trump himself and Trump Inc. It's hard to say how close we are to "the end" since there are multiple ends, and just as Gates and Manafort may be charged with more, it's possible one of these investigations may "end" but the parties involved may still be in the crosshairs for other stuff.
Compare this to Ken Starr, fwiw, whose investigations were almost wholly unrelated: Whitewater, Lewinsky, Travelgate (how quaint!).
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 20:34 (six years ago) link
republicans are basically traitors at this point
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 20:44 (six years ago) link
of the 25 million people in texas, 22 million live in cities
get out more
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 20:57 (six years ago) link
i think he was just referring to redness of TX
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 21:00 (six years ago) link
yeah smoke some sherm
― bhad and bhabie (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 21:00 (six years ago) link
(that's not political just advice)
― bhad and bhabie (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 21:01 (six years ago) link
do people still smoke sherm ? that's was some wild shit let me tell ya
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 21:02 (six years ago) link
Worked so well in Lord of the Flies (re: talking stick).
― nickn, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 21:03 (six years ago) link
i understand the shorthand and the logic behind it, i'm just tired of the gerrymandered map standing in for people doing any kind of critical fucking thinking about the place
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 21:03 (six years ago) link
but listen where that sherm at
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 21:04 (six years ago) link
in TX iirc
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 21:05 (six years ago) link
in terms of fraction of vote for trump in 2016, texas came 20th. it's not a useful shorthand for "very red state".
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 21:08 (six years ago) link
i could stand to keep a running list of my soft spots, sorry josh
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 21:08 (six years ago) link
The vast majority of Americans live in cities (aka the popular vote). My point is that the huge relatively unpopulated swaths of the country that are not cities are pretty deep red, whether in Texas, or Illinois, or probably even California.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 21:11 (six years ago) link
And by "deep red" I mean represented by Republicans.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 21:12 (six years ago) link
point taken
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 21:12 (six years ago) link
probably even California they don't have places with nicknames like Fountucky for nothing
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 21:14 (six years ago) link
Thus giving the lie just the distinction of “blue state”/“red state.” We hardwired to favor mental shortcuts & shorthand, yeah, but we go about it in the laziest, dumbest fucking ways.
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 21:23 (six years ago) link
all i'm getting at is the purported redness of texas (and by extension much of the middle of the country) if you go by the strength of GOP support
https://i.imgur.com/d5YX88g.png
gets a lot fuzzier if you look at people instead of percentages
https://i.imgur.com/jrBO6hB.png
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 21:25 (six years ago) link
I saw a guy wearing one of these shirts at a small town 4th of july parade this summer and my first thought was "you are terrible at math"
https://img0.etsystatic.com/154/0/5776975/il_570xN.1092565306_hudv.jpg
― joygoat, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 21:29 (six years ago) link
the desolate wasteland that is trump country
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 22:04 (six years ago) link
HOOS, I share your sensitivity re: TX. I think changes are coming to the political landscape here sooner than some might expect.
― Moodles, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 22:15 (six years ago) link
maybe this country needs to be screwed and choppedall hail west texas
― bhad and bhabie (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 22:26 (six years ago) link
instantrapairhorn.com
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 22:43 (six years ago) link
xpost I agree, but like NC and, say, Oregon per right above, it's going to be a struggle against red headwinds. Court decisions have been promising re gerrymandering.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 22:44 (six years ago) link
BREAKING: President Donald Trump says he's "looking forward" to being interviewed by special counsel Robert Mueller.— The Associated Press (@AP) January 24, 2018
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 22:54 (six years ago) link
― j., Wednesday, 24 January 2018 22:55 (six years ago) link
Finally, something we agree on!
― Senior Soft-Serve Tech at the Froyo Arroyo (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 22:56 (six years ago) link
Even the "BREAKING" part?
― MarkoP, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 23:03 (six years ago) link
Yes, I do agree that President Trump is BREAKING (which doesn't undermine the fact that he's already deeply BROKEN).
― Senior Soft-Serve Tech at the Froyo Arroyo (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 23:06 (six years ago) link
i expect a full and speedy exoneration of president trump and rexxon tillerson + the prosperity from the ryan/mcconnell tax cuts to trickle down upon us all
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 23:11 (six years ago) link
I predict he will not speak to Mueller.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 23:11 (six years ago) link
Meanwhile, this psycho weirdo Pennsylvania congressman ...
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 23:12 (six years ago) link
Gonna need a transcript of Trump's statement re Mueller. If it includes the phrases "believe me" or "a lot of people are saying," it's bullshit. If, however, he said "no collusion" at least five times in the course of no more than three sentences, it's probably gonna happen and I can't wait.
― grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 23:14 (six years ago) link
He said he would take the advice of his lawyers into account. Which means he probably won't.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 23:16 (six years ago) link
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-says-he-would-speak-to-mueller-under-oath-in-russia-investigation/2018/01/24/edb33750-015a-11e8-8acf-ad2991367d9d_story.html?hpid=hp_no-name_no-name%3Apage%2Fbreaking-news-bar&utm_term=.da8be52e9630
“I would love to do it, and I would like to do it as soon as possible,” Trump said at the White House. “I would do it under oath, absolutely.”The president suggested he was being investigated for obstruction of justice as part of the Russia investigation because he was “fighting back” and again reiterated there was “no collusion” between his campaign and Moscow.“Oh well, did he fight back?” Trump said, “You fight back, oh, it’s obstruction.”
The president suggested he was being investigated for obstruction of justice as part of the Russia investigation because he was “fighting back” and again reiterated there was “no collusion” between his campaign and Moscow.
“Oh well, did he fight back?” Trump said, “You fight back, oh, it’s obstruction.”
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 23:26 (six years ago) link
if you fight back with corrupt intent then yes its obstruction you fucking baby
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 23:38 (six years ago) link
He and his family are going to get away with all of this.
― brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 23:44 (six years ago) link
Why does everyone treat me like I'm the bad guy here because I burned my neighbor's house down? He gave me a weird look and I fought back. It's what you do.
I 'love' when people adopt a matter of fact tone when attempting to explain away their sociopathy. He truly does not understand any of the worlds he inhabits.
― Senior Soft-Serve Tech at the Froyo Arroyo (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 23:47 (six years ago) link
his colossal stupidity will be his undoing. demanding to testify under oath (which isnt even necessary) to one up hillary and light himself on fire is all time stupid.
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 25 January 2018 00:26 (six years ago) link
he assumes he can buy off the judge, because that's always worked in every other situation
he assumes he can buy off anybody
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 25 January 2018 01:04 (six years ago) link
I want to encourage his assumptions. Go for it, Mr. President! Show those busybodies who's boss!
― Senior Soft-Serve Tech at the Froyo Arroyo (Old Lunch), Thursday, 25 January 2018 01:15 (six years ago) link
Trump's entire experience with the legal system would lead him to believe that the outcome can always be fixed up to do him little or no harm. He has been engaged in dozens of civil suits, been investigated by the government before, declared bankruptcy more than once, and always come out essentially unscathed. He's never had to cope with something like a special prosecutor as capable, well-equipped, and deeply staffed as Mueller, with no limit on his funding or his scope. He should be treating this like his worst nightmare come true. He clearly hasn't a clue.
― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 25 January 2018 01:17 (six years ago) link
I don't think I understand your sentiment here unless "all of this" is a fairly limited set of things - like the profits from sending himself to his own properties all the time are probably going to be impossible to take back - and "get away with" amounts to "die in infamy despised by everyone except the same category of hateful, addled derelicts that complained at their family dinners back in 70 AD that Nero never got a fair go."
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 25 January 2018 01:23 (six years ago) link
I’ve become increasingly Maoist in my old age
― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 25 January 2018 02:51 (six years ago) link
the peter strzok secret society is a masterpiece of derp theater. behold stable genius at play
― reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 25 January 2018 02:54 (six years ago) link
So apparently Senate Dems are taking DACA off the table for budget talks.
― Moodles, Thursday, 25 January 2018 03:09 (six years ago) link
The latest @IronStache ad that's gonna run during the State of the Union next week pic.twitter.com/DRJCLuoju2— Gideon Resnick (@GideonResnick) January 25, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 25 January 2018 03:11 (six years ago) link
Kind of an abstract ad
― Moodles, Thursday, 25 January 2018 03:14 (six years ago) link
WH statement on Trump’s comments tonight about speaking under oath to Mueller: “While Mr. Trump was speaking hurriedly before departing for Davos, he remains committed to continued complete cooperation with the OSC and is looking forward to speaking with Mr. Mueller.” - Ty Cobb— Manu Raju (@mkraju) January 25, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 25 January 2018 03:29 (six years ago) link
oh my god, my senator's an idiot
ABC News has obtained the "secret society" text...It's a stand alone message from Lisa Page:"Are you even going to give out your calendars? Seems kind of depressing. Maybe it should just be the first meeting of the secret society" https://t.co/qxlXSgYAme— Michael Del Moro (@MikeDelMoro) January 25, 2018
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 January 2018 04:06 (six years ago) link
Holy shit what a fucking idiot.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 25 January 2018 04:08 (six years ago) link
Someone should send social services to Ron Johnson's house and finally set the blinking clock on his VCR.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 25 January 2018 04:11 (six years ago) link
yeah the Bryce ad doesn't quite land imo, it's missing some connective tissue
More on what Moodles was talking about, I believe?
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/24/democrats-drop-dreamer-demand-with-budget-deal-in-reach-366992
― Simon H., Thursday, 25 January 2018 13:06 (six years ago) link
Yeah, I've saw that yesterday, but nobody else has picked it up?
― Frederik B, Thursday, 25 January 2018 13:11 (six years ago) link
But if it's true, I've got nothing. That's the stupidest fucking thing ever.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 25 January 2018 13:13 (six years ago) link
Yep, that's the one, don't know if it's true, haven't seen other sources to confirm yet.
― Moodles, Thursday, 25 January 2018 13:21 (six years ago) link
god would it kill the Democrats to actually stand for something
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 January 2018 14:23 (six years ago) link
looks like we'll never get the chance to find out for sure
― your skeleton is ready to hatch (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 25 January 2018 14:25 (six years ago) link
btw shame on every single news outlet that breathlessly reported on the "Senator claims evidence of FBI Secret Society to overthrow Trump!" who aren't even bothering to run retractions nor do any research into the story in the first place, these dudes are so fucking desperate
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 January 2018 14:26 (six years ago) link
'news outlet'
― Senior Soft-Serve Tech at the Froyo Arroyo (Old Lunch), Thursday, 25 January 2018 14:30 (six years ago) link
I'm not sure there's a large-scale 'news outlet' in existence at this point that I'd feel completely comfortable dropping the scare quotes for, tbrr.
― Senior Soft-Serve Tech at the Froyo Arroyo (Old Lunch), Thursday, 25 January 2018 14:31 (six years ago) link
Even WaPo has been inducing some side-eye of late
― Senior Soft-Serve Tech at the Froyo Arroyo (Old Lunch), Thursday, 25 January 2018 14:32 (six years ago) link
the Secret Society deep state illuminati shit is straight up stupid tabloid click bait for all of them.
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 25 January 2018 14:39 (six years ago) link
Actually I should scare quote 'American news outlet'. Don't have much of an issue with FT, largely because it makes no bones about the fact that Mr. Monopoly is their intended audience. As opposed to, say, the NYT's increasingly incoherent 'thumbs down to our good friend Mr. Trump' stance.
― Senior Soft-Serve Tech at the Froyo Arroyo (Old Lunch), Thursday, 25 January 2018 14:44 (six years ago) link
the president says there's no obstruction of justice. i say i'm not drunk, officer; now go arrest a democrat for speeding :)
― reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 25 January 2018 14:45 (six years ago) link
You might ask yourself, if Mueller is still investigating Trump and Russia, then how can you say justice has been obstructed? I rest my case.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 25 January 2018 14:50 (six years ago) link
It's not like the president physically restrained Mueller from pursuing justice, or hid justice somewhere that Mueller would never find it. 'Obstruction' is such a big word, what does it even mean, really.
― Senior Soft-Serve Tech at the Froyo Arroyo (Old Lunch), Thursday, 25 January 2018 14:56 (six years ago) link
Trump lawyer: Trump was "speaking hurriedly" when he vowed to speak with Mueller under oath https://t.co/CCyOUOqi6O pic.twitter.com/LrRyftsR5Q— The Hill (@thehill) January 25, 2018
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 January 2018 15:09 (six years ago) link
― Simon H., Thursday, January 25, 2018 8:06 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I don't understand why this isn't a bigger deal. Am I wrong, or isn't this the Dems literally throwing away all of their leverage? I was at least somewhat willing to swallow the shutdown cave of a few days ago because as I understood it, the Dems could just shut the whole thing down again in February if McConnell broke his promise to put up a clean DACA bill. But if they just sign on to a long-term budget deal and remove the threat of a shutdown that could potentially be even more clearly blamed on the GOP, then why on Earth wouldn't McConnell just tell them to go fuck themselves wrt DACA?
― evol j, Thursday, 25 January 2018 15:10 (six years ago) link
I have no clue what the Dems are doing but my conclusion is that they don't really care that much about the Dreamers
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 January 2018 15:16 (six years ago) link
btw shame on every single news outlet that breathlessly reported on the "Senator claims evidence of FBI Secret Society to overthrow Trump!" who aren't even bothering to run retractions nor do any research into the story in the first place
I dunno, the clowning on "Secret Society" I'm seeing is all coming off ABC reporting the full body of the text, I don't think the media has totally fallen down on the job here
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 25 January 2018 15:23 (six years ago) link
If Democrats are indeed willing to deal on spending caps without a firm commitment on DACA, it would represent a significant shift in the budget talks, which have stalled for months over immigration.
my ass, they wouldn't commit to shit in december
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 25 January 2018 15:28 (six years ago) link
Dems musta gotten some new polling in
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 25 January 2018 15:32 (six years ago) link
find myself listening to this every day
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGJzMzW3kuY
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Thursday, 25 January 2018 15:32 (six years ago) link
Free future headline I'm tossing out for anyone who wants to use it: Dropped DREAM becomes nightmare as Dems learn new meaning of the word Terreur
― Senior Soft-Serve Tech at the Froyo Arroyo (Old Lunch), Thursday, 25 January 2018 15:41 (six years ago) link
Maybe it plays better locally.
― grawlix (unperson), Thursday, 25 January 2018 15:42 (six years ago) link
Newsweek:
Former Celebrity Apprentice winner Piers Morgan has bagged the first ever international TV interview with President Donald Trump since his inauguration one year ago.
Morgan will meet with his friend Trump in Davos at the World Economic Forum, where the pair are expected to sit down for an interview that a source told The Daily Mirror was “a major coup” for the former CNN host.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 25 January 2018 16:19 (six years ago) link
fucking christ
― your skeleton is ready to hatch (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 25 January 2018 16:21 (six years ago) link
Must Not See Television
― Simon H., Thursday, 25 January 2018 16:21 (six years ago) link
Must Shoot Television
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Thursday, 25 January 2018 16:21 (six years ago) link
all it would take is one badly-constructed lighting gantry to come crashing down on them and the world would be immeasurably improved
c'mon god do us a solid here
― your skeleton is ready to hatch (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 25 January 2018 16:28 (six years ago) link
Trump, word-for-word yesterday: "In the initial, we're putting chain, a negotiated chain, we're putting a replacement for lottery or an end to lottery, and it could be a replacement, we bring people in from various countries, that come in based on merit and various other reasons"— Ryan Struyk (@ryanstruyk) January 25, 2018
finally some clarity
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 January 2018 16:33 (six years ago) link
davos lighting gantry, welcome to the #resistance
― your skeleton is ready to hatch (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 25 January 2018 16:35 (six years ago) link
Does anyone know offhand which kind of irony best describes a xenophobic septuagenarian who can't construct a coherent sentence in his native language?
― Senior Soft-Serve Tech at the Froyo Arroyo (Old Lunch), Thursday, 25 January 2018 16:50 (six years ago) link
it's called master persuasion
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 January 2018 16:53 (six years ago) link
"merit based" is just code for white people,right ?
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 25 January 2018 16:55 (six years ago) link
his statement is a pretty good description of how the current system works
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 25 January 2018 16:57 (six years ago) link
idk but it's a goddamned plague down here
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Thursday, 25 January 2018 17:04 (six years ago) link
Oprah sez hell no btw
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 25 January 2018 17:04 (six years ago) link
Oprah once again proving she's smarter than the average legislator
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 25 January 2018 17:05 (six years ago) link
and many Democratic bloggers
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 25 January 2018 17:10 (six years ago) link
It was never a thing anyone was really serious about and that was kind of obvious.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 25 January 2018 17:28 (six years ago) link
"merit based" is just code for white people,right ?― (•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, January 25, 2018 5:55 PM (twenty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, January 25, 2018 5:55 PM (twenty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Merit-based systems are quite popular with racists because they think it's code for 'white people' but it really never is in practice. IT, nursing, STEM, etc - the stuff you get points for in most merit-based systems - means India, China, Philippines, Pakistan, etc.
― Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Thursday, 25 January 2018 17:30 (six years ago) link
and renowned artists and entertainers, who possess extraordinary ability, like Momus
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 25 January 2018 17:35 (six years ago) link
Yeah, it’s fun, innit?
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Thursday, 25 January 2018 17:36 (six years ago) link
Warner's having fun
I’m glad somebody’s hot on the trail of this secret society. As soon as we’re done investigating Russia, we’ll join the hunt for the Illuminati.— Mark Warner (@MarkWarner) January 25, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 25 January 2018 17:46 (six years ago) link
Institutional racism is like a robotic battlesuit that's finely-tuned to increase the success rate of dumb and useless old white dudes. It's easy to understand how they might confuse their experience of 'achievement' with legitimate merit.
― Senior Soft-Serve Tech at the Froyo Arroyo (Old Lunch), Thursday, 25 January 2018 17:47 (six years ago) link
IT, nursing, STEM, etc - the stuff you get points for in most merit-based systems - means India, China, Philippines, Pakistan, etc.
Very true!! and the irony of it is that with the boomers all getting older and sicker the demand for nursing staff will only be greater .
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 25 January 2018 17:49 (six years ago) link
Oprah sez hell no btw― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, January 25, 2018 5:04 PM (fifty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, January 25, 2018 5:04 PM (fifty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
but isn't that in the running for president playbook? deny the obvious for as long as possible then move to fucking iowa and new hampshire and meet every single voter personally.
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 25 January 2018 19:11 (six years ago) link
lmao the right now making a big deal about the Strzok-Page text messages
it's always something just out of reach for these guys. maybe this will be the one proving the Deep State coup once and for all.
meanwhile the opposition apparently can't do shit with the hundreds of actual crimes Trump and his admin have committed
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 January 2018 19:13 (six years ago) link
The fact that Donald Trump was allowed to become and remain president is the most decisive refutation ever of the existence of any kind of secret society running things from the shadows.
― Senior Soft-Serve Tech at the Froyo Arroyo (Old Lunch), Thursday, 25 January 2018 19:20 (six years ago) link
jing, "i haven't decided" is the classic script
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 25 January 2018 19:25 (six years ago) link
the president is innocent. it's the rest of us who are guilty, guilty of doubting his word, guilty of not wanting america to be great again :(
― reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 25 January 2018 19:28 (six years ago) link
they are just insane with this text stuff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVNNijo_h9s
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 25 January 2018 19:32 (six years ago) link
A+ screen grab
― hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Thursday, 25 January 2018 19:34 (six years ago) link
http://30fps.mocksession.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/2017-January-1-18-24-30.jpeg
― mookieproof, Thursday, 25 January 2018 19:36 (six years ago) link
The Trumps asked to borrow a Van Gogh for the White House. The Guggenheim offered an 18K gold toilet instead.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/the-white-house-wanted-a-van-gogh-the-guggenheim-offered-a-used-solid-gold-toilet/2018/01/25/38d574fc-0154-11e8-bb03-722769454f82_story.html?utm_term=.363a75f8a11a
― marcos, Thursday, 25 January 2018 19:37 (six years ago) link
and they found the fucking texts gaetz is shitting his pants over
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/01/25/missing-text-messages-between-two-fbi-employees-have-been-located-according-to-department-justice-official.html
this is the real bullshit document destruction imo, nobody is talking about it
The National Security Agency destroyed surveillance data it pledged to preserve in connection with pending lawsuits and apparently never took some of the steps it told a federal court it had taken to make sure the information wasn’t destroyed, according to recent court filings.Word of the NSA’s foul-up is emerging just as Congress has extended for six years the legal authority the agency uses for much of its surveillance work conducted through U.S. internet providers and tech firms. President Donald Trump signed that measure into law Friday.
Word of the NSA’s foul-up is emerging just as Congress has extended for six years the legal authority the agency uses for much of its surveillance work conducted through U.S. internet providers and tech firms. President Donald Trump signed that measure into law Friday.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/19/nsa-deletes-surveillance-data-351730
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 25 January 2018 19:45 (six years ago) link
That Gaetz goon, it would be fun to move to his district and run against him just to punch him in the face. Then I'd be all, I'm good, he can have the position, I'm going home.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 25 January 2018 19:57 (six years ago) link
Yam hotel room prices dipping
But more important, how's that plunder working out for you, Donald? https://t.co/axIwmaixLw— corey robin (@CoreyRobin) January 25, 2018
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 25 January 2018 20:09 (six years ago) link
That Guggenheim story is the greatest thing I've read all week.
― grawlix (unperson), Thursday, 25 January 2018 22:00 (six years ago) link
"But more important, how's that plunder working out for you, Donald?"
incredibly well.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 25 January 2018 22:05 (six years ago) link
That Guggenheim story is the greatest thing I've read all week.― grawlix (unperson), Thursday, January 25, 2018 5:00 PM (fourteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
A+++
― Patton Oswalt Defence Lawyer (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 25 January 2018 22:19 (six years ago) link
Theology!
Jesus said love our neighbors as ourselves but never told Caesar how to run Rome-he never said Roman soldiers should turn the other cheek in battle or that Caesar should allow all the barbarians to be Roman citizens or that Caesar should tax the rich to help poor. That’s our job.— Jerry Falwell (@JerryFalwellJr) January 26, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 26 January 2018 00:24 (six years ago) link
Also
Sources tell me Stephen Miller had a pretty feisty conference call just now with immigration hardliners. Lots of them hate the proposal. Seems like the WH has managed to piss off just about everyone!— Jonathan Swan (@jonathanvswan) January 25, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 26 January 2018 00:25 (six years ago) link
I can’t parse that Falwell Jr tweet at all. What is our job? To tell Caesar how to do stuff? Or are we Caesar?
― El Tomboto, Friday, 26 January 2018 00:30 (six years ago) link
Hail us.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 26 January 2018 00:32 (six years ago) link
i think it is to tell caesar not to tax the rich because we're going to help the poor because jesus probably said to do that somewhere without too much of an escape cause built in
― j., Friday, 26 January 2018 00:34 (six years ago) link
If Prez declines toilet Saatchi Gallery should offer him Damien Hirst formaldehyde shark
― Patton Oswalt Defense Lawyer (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 26 January 2018 00:45 (six years ago) link
Matthew 22:21 "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's; and to God the things that are God's, " alternately "give unto Berkshire Hathaway carried interest deduction, and go fuck yourself"
― Patton Oswalt Defense Lawyer (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 26 January 2018 00:48 (six years ago) link
xp: presenting Jesus as apathetic and tractable. While perhaps true of the Christ of Paul, its wholly unrepresentative of the historical Yeshua. The sanhedrin regularly punished heresy with public stoning, but crucifixion was a Roman punishment reserved for sedition.
― Sanpaku, Friday, 26 January 2018 00:49 (six years ago) link
"he never said Roman soldiers should turn the other cheek in battle or that Caesar should allow all the barbarians to be Roman citizens or that Caesar should tax the rich to help poor."
what's extra confusing and sad about this is that all of these appear on first glance to be positive things that romans SHOULD do! but when you look closely, it's clear that he's trying to say that these three things are BAD or ridiculous things that caesar never would have been expected to do. falwell might concede that jesus wanted people to turn the other cheek, but that's why he specifies in battle, where turning the cheek would be unreasonable. by "barbarians" he's referring to immigration, insinuating that today's refugees and immigrants from the parts of the world that aren't norway are like the barbarians of caeasar's time, and so it's understandable that we should want to shut them out too.
at least i think that's what he's trying to say? i mean, is jerry falwell jr a strong proponent of pacifism, increased immigration, and taxing the rich to pay the poor? it's disorienting because that's what it seems a christian would be for, but i'm pretty sure the falwell family got to where they are today by adopting their views to fit conservative beliefs, which would be the opposite of all those things, right?
― Karl Malone, Friday, 26 January 2018 00:54 (six years ago) link
While perhaps true of the Christ of Paul
I don't think so.
― Video reach stereo bog (Tom D.), Friday, 26 January 2018 01:00 (six years ago) link
He is, rather strangely for a supposed Christian, likening the USA to the Roman Empire, isn't he?
― Video reach stereo bog (Tom D.), Friday, 26 January 2018 01:03 (six years ago) link
Like back then, there was Jesus and his followers and, although we like them because we're Christians, they were kind of out there and ahead of their time with some of their beliefs and then there were the Romans, who were non-believers but they were in charge and had all the money and power so they must have been good guys to some extent, then there were barbarians, if you catch my drift.
― Video reach stereo bog (Tom D.), Friday, 26 January 2018 01:09 (six years ago) link
we're all one race - the human race... except for the carthaginians, those guys are freaks man
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 26 January 2018 01:12 (six years ago) link
"no homo" will be in the Bible within the next 3 new editions
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Friday, 26 January 2018 01:15 (six years ago) link
https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/25/politics/white-house-immigration-framework/index.html
President Donald Trump is proposing giving 1.8 million young undocumented immigrants a pathway to citizenship in exchange for $25 billion for his long-promised wall and a host of other strict immigration reforms, according to a White House framework proposed Thursday.In what the White House framed as a "dramatic concession" and "compromise," Trump would accept a path to citizenship not just for the roughly 700,000 undocumented immigrants were covered by the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program when it was ended. But the proposal would also cover those undocumented immigrants who meet the DACA criteria but did not sign up and even more who would be newly eligible under the proposal's timeframe requirements -- giving legal status and a pathway to citizenship to about 1.8 million people.In return, the White House would like to see a $25 billion investment in a trust for border infrastructure and technology, as well as more funds for personnel, and an end to family migration beyond spouses and minor children. The diversity visa lottery would also be abolished, though the visas would be reallocated so that the backlog of people already waiting for family visas and high-skilled immigration green cards would be processed.In what may end up being the most contentious piece of the proposal, the White House is also looking to close "legal loopholes" that will allow it to deport more immigrants, specifically as it relates to undocumented immigrants from countries that don't border the United States -- which would likely include changes in immigration enforcement authority that would be virtually impossible for Democrats to swallow.The White House official sold the plan as a "compromise position" that it believes would get 60 votes in the Senate -- a point White House officials underscored multiple times on Thursday -- and then could be "sent over to the House for additional improvement and modification."
In what the White House framed as a "dramatic concession" and "compromise," Trump would accept a path to citizenship not just for the roughly 700,000 undocumented immigrants were covered by the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program when it was ended. But the proposal would also cover those undocumented immigrants who meet the DACA criteria but did not sign up and even more who would be newly eligible under the proposal's timeframe requirements -- giving legal status and a pathway to citizenship to about 1.8 million people.
In return, the White House would like to see a $25 billion investment in a trust for border infrastructure and technology, as well as more funds for personnel, and an end to family migration beyond spouses and minor children. The diversity visa lottery would also be abolished, though the visas would be reallocated so that the backlog of people already waiting for family visas and high-skilled immigration green cards would be processed.
In what may end up being the most contentious piece of the proposal, the White House is also looking to close "legal loopholes" that will allow it to deport more immigrants, specifically as it relates to undocumented immigrants from countries that don't border the United States -- which would likely include changes in immigration enforcement authority that would be virtually impossible for Democrats to swallow.The White House official sold the plan as a "compromise position" that it believes would get 60 votes in the Senate -- a point White House officials underscored multiple times on Thursday -- and then could be "sent over to the House for additional improvement and modification."
― Righteous wax chaperone, rotating Wingdings (Doctor Casino), Friday, 26 January 2018 01:16 (six years ago) link
oh fuckhttps://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/25/us/politics/trump-mueller-special-counsel-russia.html
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Friday, 26 January 2018 01:17 (six years ago) link
...the president began to argue that Mr. Mueller had three conflicts of interest that disqualified him from overseeing the investigation, two of the people said.
First, he claimed that a dispute years ago over fees at Trump National Golf Club...
― Righteous wax chaperone, rotating Wingdings (Doctor Casino), Friday, 26 January 2018 01:18 (six years ago) link
Him and his stupid fucking golf courses
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 26 January 2018 01:21 (six years ago) link
ha, can mueller cite "you tried to fire me" as evidence of obstruction?
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 26 January 2018 01:21 (six years ago) link
he needs his lawyer to fire somebody for him? whassa matter donald?
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 26 January 2018 01:31 (six years ago) link
xpost yes he can, and will
― Patton Oswalt Defense Lawyer (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 26 January 2018 01:33 (six years ago) link
xp as matt yglesias (sorry) pointed out on twitter, "It seems like Mueller’s job was saved by the fact that Trump isn’t really the president."
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 26 January 2018 01:37 (six years ago) link
Very OT aside to Tom D: I think its likely the "INRI” on the crucifix wasn't mockery, but an accurate description of the historical Yeshua's crime. The canonical gospels date from after the sacking of Jerusalem in 70 AD, and devastation of the early Jesus movement that had been led by James, brother to Jesus. Arguably, the historical Yeshua would have only recognized its remnants in the the Ebionite/Nazarene heresy of the Trans-jordan and Hijaz. The movement that ascended to orthodoxy took its theology from Paul, and Bob Eisenman argues that Paul was a member of the Herodian family (Romans 16:11, parallels with a Saulus who was "kinsman of Agrippa" in Josephus), with its pro-Roman sentiments. One can argue that much of the pro-Roman sentiment in the gospels (presenting Pilate as respectful of local sentiment, blaming the crucifiction on Jews, etc) stems from the influence of Paul, and gentile "God-fearers" that attended synagogues throughout the Empire.
Very OT aside to Tracer Hand: Absolutely. Carthaginians [were monsters](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Carthage#Child_sacrifice).
― Sanpaku, Friday, 26 January 2018 01:38 (six years ago) link
"it is easier for a camel to fit through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to go to heaven" = a nice sentiment but sorry it's outweighed by all the other places jesus condemns abortion and gay marriage
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 26 January 2018 01:47 (six years ago) link
Wondering if one of the President's sentries being outed for having a spine, and facing him down, will have a better chance of permeating the FOX forcefield than anything that's come our of the investigation so far, including Flynn/Manafort indictments etc.
Like, is stuff beginning to move now?
― Patton Oswalt Defense Lawyer (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 26 January 2018 01:57 (six years ago) link
our = out
― Patton Oswalt Defense Lawyer (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 26 January 2018 01:58 (six years ago) link
Fox News not picking up this story surprisingly
― frogbs, Friday, 26 January 2018 01:59 (six years ago) link
It’s over.I’m calling it. I have refused to make predictions all this time about what was going to happen. There will be a recommendation in Mueller’s report that Congress consider impeachment proceedings. It’s going to happen. https://t.co/8US0FkCeTq— Bradley P. Moss (@BradMossEsq) January 26, 2018
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 26 January 2018 02:03 (six years ago) link
So we've got his lawyer threatening to quit, Wray threatening to quit ...
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 26 January 2018 02:07 (six years ago) link
The Dems should just threaten to quit, and they can get what they want out of him.
I don’t know, I’ve never gotten past the fact that Trump admitted to firing Comey because he was investigating his campaign yet afterwards evidence of obstruction was still being seeked out for some reason. My understanding is thr defense of how that wasn’t obstruction amounted to “he’s allowed to commit obstruction” so I’ve basically had no hope.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, 26 January 2018 02:14 (six years ago) link
It's a legal process. You don't just cry "obstruction!" and then lock him up. They have to gather evidence, make a case for his mindset and intent, and then there is a trial. The same goes for any (esp. white collar) crime. Like, Flynn, Manafort? That stuff will be going on for months.
Pointed out elsewhere, but man, Trump tried to fire him in *June.* That's just a month after Mueller was brought on board but *before* news came out of Don Jr.'s meeting with the Russians in Trump Tower. Why did Trump want to fire him so soon, so quickly?
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 26 January 2018 02:23 (six years ago) link
Because he was innocent. Duh.
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Friday, 26 January 2018 02:28 (six years ago) link
Does this leak effectively mean there's no way he could do it now?
This feels huge
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Friday, 26 January 2018 02:31 (six years ago) link
Huge, because Mueller is totally going to exonerate him. That's why Trump didn't fire him, duh.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 26 January 2018 02:31 (six years ago) link
because golf fees
― barreras, Friday, 26 January 2018 02:34 (six years ago) link
Resign. You can blame us broh.
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Friday, 26 January 2018 02:35 (six years ago) link
If I understand correctly, that lawyer-threatening-to-quit showdown was in June, right? An eternity ago in Trump time. Before Kelly was brought in as the "grownup."
― Tippi Sanhedrin (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 26 January 2018 02:41 (six years ago) link
Yea but it was "their lil secret" til now
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Friday, 26 January 2018 02:42 (six years ago) link
pic.twitter.com/sd6qt77rdC— Kevin M. Kruse (@KevinMKruse) January 26, 2018
― frogbs, Friday, 26 January 2018 03:10 (six years ago) link
Reported FBI/Special Counsel activity to date
01/2018 Jeff Sessions -Private interview01/2018 George Nader -Private interview [2]01/2018 George Nader -Private interview [1]01/2018 Steve Bannon -Subpoena12/2017 Robert Arakelian -Private interview12/2017 Don McGahn -Private interview12/2017 Hope Hicks -Private interview (2)12/2017 Hope Hicks -Private interview (1)12/2017 J.D. Gordon -Private interview12/2017 Michael Flynn -Guilty plea11/2017 Michael Flynn -Criminal charge11/2017 KT McFarland -Private interview11/2017 Jared Kushner -Private meeting11/2017 DOJ -Request for documents11/2017 Stephen Miller -Private interview10/2017 Rick Gates -Arrest10/2017 Paul Manafort -Arrest10/2017 Rick Gates -Indictment10/2017 Paul Manafort -Indictment10/2017 Sam Clovis -Private interview10/2017 Sam Clovis -Grand jury testimony10/2017 Matt Tait -Private interview*10/2017 Sean Spicer -Private interview10/2017 Trump campaign -Subpoena10/2017 Reince Priebus -Private interview10/2017 George Papadopoulos -Guilty plea10/2017 Simona Mangiante -Private interview**10/2017 Simona Mangiante -Subpoena (withdrawn)09/2017 Lt. Gen. Keith Kellogg -FBI questioning09/2017 Facebook -Search warrant09/2017 Jason Maloni -Grand jury interview09/2017 Michael Flynn -FBI questioningFall/2017 Ann Donaldson -Private interview***Fall 2017 Jared Kushner -Request for documentsFall 2017 Cambridge Analytica -Request for documents08/2017 Paul Manafort's PR executives -Grand jury subpoenas08/2017 General Services Administration -Request for documents08/2017 Melissa Laurenza -Grand jury subpoena08/2017 Jason Maloni -Grand jury subpoena08/2017 General Services Administration -Request for documents08/2017 Rinat Akhmetshin -Grand jury interview08/2017 Rick Gates Bank records -Grand jury subpoenas08/2017 Paul Manafort bank records -Grand jury subpoenas07/2017 People involved in Trump Tower meeting -Grand jury subpoenas07/2017 George Papadopoulos -Arrest07/2017 Paul Manafort’s home -Search warrant07/2017 Sally Yates -Private interview07/2017 Ekim Alptekin -Grand jury subpoena06/2017 Mike Rogers -Private interview06/2017 Dan Coats -Private interview06/2017 Sphere Consulting -Subpoena06/2017 Rod Rosenstein -Private interviewSummer 2017 Nancye Miller Woolsey -FBI questioning****Summer 2017 James Woolsey -FBI questioningSummer 2017 Christopher Steele -Private meetingSummer 2017 Trump Organization -Request for documents05/2017 Ekim Alptekin -Private interview05/2017 Mike Pompeo -Private interview05/2017 James Comey -Private interview04/2017 M. Flynn business associates -Grand jury subpoenas03/2017 Carter Page -FBI questioning02/2017 George Papadopoulos -FBI questioning01/2017 George Papadopoulos -FBI questioning01/2017 Michael Flynn -FBI questioning01/2017 Paul Manafort storage unit -Search under FISA12/2016 Regarding Paul Manafort -Grand jury subpoenas09/2016 Christopher Steele -Private meeting09/2016 Paul Manafort -FISA warrantSummer 2016 Carter Page -FISA warrant
* Cybersecurity expert** Fiancee of George Papadopoulos*** White House Counsel Chief of Staff**** Wife of James Woolsey
― Patton Oswalt Defense Lawyer (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 26 January 2018 03:21 (six years ago) link
MORE theology!
All the clowns commenting on my tweet below with their bowels in an uproar can relax b/c the other side of the coin is Jesus never told Caesar he shouldn’t tax the rich to help the poor either. You can be a good Christian whether you vote conservative or liberal! https://t.co/T3skE1Ewwo— Jerry Falwell (@JerryFalwellJr) January 26, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 26 January 2018 03:42 (six years ago) link
Very Church of Trump. Lots of clowns in the parish.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 26 January 2018 03:43 (six years ago) link
where did the giant list come from?
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 26 January 2018 03:50 (six years ago) link
xpost, “You have heard that people were told in the past, ‘Do not commit murder; anyone who does will be brought to trial.’ But now I tell you: if you are angry with your brother you will be brought to trial, if you call your brother ‘You good-for-nothing!’ you will be brought before the Council, and if you call your brother a clown you will be in danger of going to the fire of hell."
― Wes Brodicus, Friday, 26 January 2018 03:52 (six years ago) link
"As for the rest: antacids."
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 26 January 2018 03:53 (six years ago) link
http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2017/politics/russia-investigations/
― Patton Oswalt Defense Lawyer (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 26 January 2018 03:57 (six years ago) link
This Hannity moment from tonight is so perfect and funny
Sean Hannity: The New York Times is trying to distract you. They say Trump tried to fire Mueller, but our sources aren’t confirming that!Sean Hannity, minutes later: Alright, yeah, maybe our sources confirm Trump wanted to fire Mueller. But so what? That’s his right. Anywho... pic.twitter.com/yUIt7Un56d— Matt Fuller (@MEPFuller) January 26, 2018
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, 26 January 2018 05:31 (six years ago) link
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Friday, 26 January 2018 05:33 (six years ago) link
i was wondering how they'd deal with that tonight. i love that he seamlessly changes subject to a high speed car crash video
― Karl Malone, Friday, 26 January 2018 06:18 (six years ago) link
― maura, Friday, 26 January 2018 06:55 (six years ago) link
it’s 2018 and people with the last name falwell haven’t been laughed out of polite society
― maura, Friday, 26 January 2018 06:56 (six years ago) link
polite society can kiss my ass
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 26 January 2018 09:09 (six years ago) link
can't wait for the GOP to eviscerate Trump over this.
"if true, this is deeply troubling"
"it's important to remember he DIDN'T fire Mueller!"
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Friday, 26 January 2018 10:30 (six years ago) link
Is he doing with Mueller what he does with the New York Times- trash talk them so the whole heap of #lolresistance rubes rally round him, when in fact he's firmly in the tank for Trump
― But doctor, I am Camille Paglia (Bananaman Begins), Friday, 26 January 2018 11:12 (six years ago) link
lol what I mean yes, you can tell by the way Mueller sends his investigators repeatedly into white rural and suburban communities in flyover country to try, try, try to understand
― El Tomboto, Friday, 26 January 2018 11:36 (six years ago) link
they’re all magic men
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Friday, 26 January 2018 11:40 (six years ago) link
some interesting things about the timeline Hadrian posted - accelerating activity throughout (or appearance thereof)- Matt Tait: https://www.lawfareblog.com/time-i-got-recruited-collude-russians
― El Tomboto, Friday, 26 January 2018 11:54 (six years ago) link
Mourning!
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 26 January 2018 12:37 (six years ago) link
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 26 January 2018 12:42 (six years ago) link
can't some publication just loudly make a bunch of unfounded accusations about his tax status that only a libel suit would resolve? take a hit for the team, politico
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 26 January 2018 12:47 (six years ago) link
"Trump has investments in werewolves and edible abortions - click here for more details"
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Friday, 26 January 2018 12:49 (six years ago) link
reggie and I should plant ourselves at Trump's Palm Beach estate and yell our two lines all day.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 26 January 2018 12:58 (six years ago) link
i'll get my picket sign together, alfred
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 26 January 2018 13:04 (six years ago) link
dress in shark costumes
― Patton Oswalt Defense Lawyer (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 26 January 2018 13:07 (six years ago) link
We'd sound like the gulls in FINDING NEMO.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 26 January 2018 13:13 (six years ago) link
BBC headline is that "trump ready to apologise for far right posts'. Why wouldn't you just apologise rather than signal readiness to apologise? It seems false. Plus we don't want him either way.
― Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Friday, 26 January 2018 13:43 (six years ago) link
I'm preparing myself to not accept his apology.
― Video reach stereo bog (Tom D.), Friday, 26 January 2018 13:46 (six years ago) link
"Sorry if some of you were offended..."
― nashwan, Friday, 26 January 2018 13:54 (six years ago) link
So basically:WH is demanding about 80% of its initial asks on legal imm, 100% of its initial asks on border/asylum, and 20% (subject to change) of its initial asks on interior enforcement.https://t.co/urh8QbFRRf— Dara Lind (@DLind) January 25, 2018
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 26 January 2018 13:54 (six years ago) link
Missed that Meehan is not seeking re-election. That's something like, what, 32? 33 GOP Congressmen not seeking re-election? That's a record, I think.
Had a beer with a friend and his friend last night. HIs friend is in I think some kind of international banking/finance and said that from their perspective, they're predicting and planning for a full-on trade-war with China, which they're expecting Trump to push in his state of the union.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 26 January 2018 13:57 (six years ago) link
why stop at just trade war
― your skeleton is ready to hatch (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 26 January 2018 14:18 (six years ago) link
― your skeleton is ready to hatch (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 26 January 2018 14:20 (six years ago) link
the president is having difficulty breathing, jig-is-up respiration like a season six Tony Soprano or nightclub Jake LaMotta
― Patton Oswalt Defense Lawyer (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 26 January 2018 14:27 (six years ago) link
comes up for air in the ellipses of every run-on sentence
― Patton Oswalt Defense Lawyer (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 26 January 2018 14:30 (six years ago) link
Mr. Trump said that when he retweeted the videos, which portrayed Muslims as violent attackers, he knew nothing about Britain First, the group that had originally posted them.“If you are telling me they’re horrible people, horrible, racist people, I would certainly apologize, if you’d like me to do that,” Mr. Trump told Piers Morgan of the British broadcaster ITV, in an interview scheduled to air on Sunday.“I am often the least racist person that anybody is going to meet,” he added.
“If you are telling me they’re horrible people, horrible, racist people, I would certainly apologize, if you’d like me to do that,” Mr. Trump told Piers Morgan of the British broadcaster ITV, in an interview scheduled to air on Sunday.
“I am often the least racist person that anybody is going to meet,” he added.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 26 January 2018 14:32 (six years ago) link
great apology, the best
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 26 January 2018 14:34 (six years ago) link
― maura
what is this "polite society" you speak of
― Arnold Schoenberg Steals (rushomancy), Friday, 26 January 2018 14:34 (six years ago) link
"Other times I'm the MOST racist person anybody is going to meet! Crazy, huh?"
― Righteous wax chaperone, rotating Wingdings (Doctor Casino), Friday, 26 January 2018 14:34 (six years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/R1FJSh2.png
― frogbs, Friday, 26 January 2018 14:35 (six years ago) link
"ready to apologise" is preemptive. When he's not treated with sufficient deference by Britons (which he won't be), he can be all like "well I WAS ready to apologize, NOW I'm not gonna. Such haters. And losers too! Not many people know that America won a war against G. Britain!"
― Tippi Sanhedrin (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 26 January 2018 14:40 (six years ago) link
TBF, having never issued one, our beloved president has no idea how to construct an apology. It's like asking him to demonstrate an expression of care toward another human being, completely external to his lived experience.
― Senior Soft-Serve Tech at the Froyo Arroyo (Old Lunch), Friday, 26 January 2018 14:54 (six years ago) link
"I'm sorry you actually thought I would have retweeted a racist organization on purpose, but that's what happens when you've got such terrible media in this country, I'm not gonna say we should treat them the way those vicious Muslims treated those beautiful, innocent kids in the video, but something has to be done, it's just terrible, more terrible than anyone could have possibly ever imagined..."
― frogbs, Friday, 26 January 2018 15:01 (six years ago) link
'ready to apologize' = would love to talk more about whether or not i am a good person or a great person for my willingness to apologize, which i don't even really have to do because i am often so not racist
― j., Friday, 26 January 2018 15:16 (six years ago) link
So is the consensus still that mueller will wait until after midterms to bring hammer down (recommend impeachment)?
― Karl Malone, Friday, 26 January 2018 15:20 (six years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUegPbyWAAMYVRV.jpg:small
― mookieproof, Friday, 26 January 2018 15:21 (six years ago) link
best part about that Hannity thing is that Hannity was calling for Mueller to be fired in June, and we all know Trump watches Hannity, soooo.........
― frogbs, Friday, 26 January 2018 15:28 (six years ago) link
jig-is-up respiration like a season six Tony Soprano or nightclub Jake LaMotta
LaMotta lived to be 96
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 26 January 2018 15:30 (six years ago) link
i met jake lamotta once. he was kind of like groot the tree-man. slow but when i shook his hand it was obvious that he could have crushed the bones in my hands into dust.
― scott seward, Friday, 26 January 2018 15:33 (six years ago) link
“I am often the least racist person that anybody is going to meet,” he added._
― your skeleton is ready to hatch (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 26 January 2018 15:37 (six years ago) link
"What about Mike Pence?""No comparison. Mike... He's a great guy... Mike's the most racist person you'll meet. Not me.""Bannon?""Way more racist than me. Yuge, yuge racist.""Jayda Fransen?""Who? Oh her. Not much more racist than me, just a pinch. But definitely more racist, not less. More."
― ♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 26 January 2018 15:44 (six years ago) link
wow Scott under what circumstances?
― Patton Oswalt Defense Lawyer (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 26 January 2018 15:46 (six years ago) link
at a fancy food show in philly i was at for work. he was selling his tomato sauce. there weren't a lot of people around him so i got to hang out with him a bit. he had like one handler guy. he mostly just nodded when people would talk to him. he was cool to look at.
― scott seward, Friday, 26 January 2018 15:51 (six years ago) link
old boxers are usually kinda sad because of what has happened to their melons but they are also very compelling to look at. they look like rock formations or ancient turtles or something. there is still a lot of power in them.
― scott seward, Friday, 26 January 2018 15:53 (six years ago) link
yeah I saw Chuck Wepner once, he moved like through molasses
― Patton Oswalt Defense Lawyer (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 26 January 2018 16:01 (six years ago) link
I saw Jake at a comedy club (honoring his fellow Bronxer Larry Storch), but he was 90 and I didn't wanna bother him.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 26 January 2018 16:02 (six years ago) link
(he was just sitting there, not doing "my alcohol was 2% blood" jokes)
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 26 January 2018 16:03 (six years ago) link
― Patton Oswalt Defense Lawyer (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 26 January 2018 16:05 (six years ago) link
You know, not to give credence to his dreams of youthful sport domination, but Trump reminds me of an old athlete. Let himself go, sort of lumbering, lingering brain damage, nice to kids, obsessed with the good old days and past prowess, owns a car dealership or two ...
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 26 January 2018 16:06 (six years ago) link
that's entirely too generous
― circa1916, Friday, 26 January 2018 16:10 (six years ago) link
I could totally see a parallel universe where Trump made his money selling cheap-o kitchen grills that drain off the fat from meat.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 26 January 2018 16:10 (six years ago) link
http://media.breitbart.com/media/2016/04/AP_985702709324-640x480.jpg
― Patton Oswalt Defense Lawyer (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 26 January 2018 16:13 (six years ago) link
in this universe he sold steaks
― Patton Oswalt Defense Lawyer (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 26 January 2018 16:14 (six years ago) link
nice to kids
um
― your skeleton is ready to hatch (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 26 January 2018 16:16 (six years ago) link
Well, not his own. The kind he can give back or kick out.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 26 January 2018 16:21 (six years ago) link
i support the alternate universe in all its flaws if it means trump spent most of his life getting punched in the head.
― Righteous wax chaperone, rotating Wingdings (Doctor Casino), Friday, 26 January 2018 16:21 (six years ago) link
An alternate universe where he got distracted and thus got domed by propeller of his helicopter
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Friday, 26 January 2018 16:24 (six years ago) link
god i just want all of this to end
― Karl Malone, Friday, 26 January 2018 16:27 (six years ago) link
We are in the alternate universe.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 26 January 2018 16:30 (six years ago) link
The President once had a solid right hook. He proudly recounted punching his 2nd grade teacher in the face, and then there is the story of him knocking out Donald Jr. in his dorm.
Terrible footwork though.
― Patton Oswalt Defense Lawyer (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 26 January 2018 16:31 (six years ago) link
http://cnn.it/2nfqlMb
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Friday, 26 January 2018 16:43 (six years ago) link
oops I meant
Trump mentioned fake news at Davos — here's how the room reacted. https://t.co/bQK0kpWzCq— Meg Wagner (@megwagner) January 26, 2018
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Friday, 26 January 2018 16:44 (six years ago) link
on that subject, I'm paywalled but this is beginning to make the rounds and seems less than great
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/26/us/politics/hillary-clinton-chose-to-shield-a-top-adviser-accused-of-harassment-in-2008.html?
― Simon H., Friday, 26 January 2018 16:45 (six years ago) link
Trump whining about the "fake news" then immediately falsely claiming that the cameras in front of him are turning off is about as on-brand as you can get
― frogbs, Friday, 26 January 2018 16:50 (six years ago) link
cool lets dunk on hillary again this never gets old.
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 26 January 2018 16:51 (six years ago) link
Ingraham claiming the boos were at the media themselves and not Trump. wow these subhuman cumstains really can spin everything.
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Friday, 26 January 2018 16:52 (six years ago) link
xpost He was like maybe her faith advisor? Anyway, seems like a minor scandal to me:
A senior adviser to Hillary Clinton’s 2008 presidential campaign who was accused of repeatedly sexually harassing a young subordinate was kept on the campaign at Mrs. Clinton’s request, according to four people familiar with what took place.Mrs. Clinton’s campaign manager at the time recommended that she fire the adviser, Burns Strider. But Mrs. Clinton did not. Instead, Mr. Strider was docked several weeks of pay and ordered to undergo counseling, and the young woman was moved to a new job.Mr. Strider, who was Mrs. Clinton’s faith adviser, a co-founder of the American Values Network, and sent the candidate scripture readings every morning for months during the campaign, was hired five years later to lead an independent group that supported Mrs. Clinton’s 2016 candidacy, Correct the Record, which was created by a close Clinton ally, David Brock.He was fired after several months for workplace issues, including allegations that he harassed a young female aide, according to three people close to Correct the Record’s management.Mr. Strider did not respond to an email seeking comment.A spokesman for Mrs. Clinton provided a statement from Utrecht, Kleinfeld, Fiori, Partners, the law firm that had represented the campaign in 2008 and has been involved on sexual harassment issues.“To ensure a safe working environment, the campaign had a process to address complaints of misconduct or harassment. When matters arose, they were reviewed in accordance with these policies, and appropriate action was taken,” the statement said. “This complaint was no exception.”
Mrs. Clinton’s campaign manager at the time recommended that she fire the adviser, Burns Strider. But Mrs. Clinton did not. Instead, Mr. Strider was docked several weeks of pay and ordered to undergo counseling, and the young woman was moved to a new job.
Mr. Strider, who was Mrs. Clinton’s faith adviser, a co-founder of the American Values Network, and sent the candidate scripture readings every morning for months during the campaign, was hired five years later to lead an independent group that supported Mrs. Clinton’s 2016 candidacy, Correct the Record, which was created by a close Clinton ally, David Brock.
He was fired after several months for workplace issues, including allegations that he harassed a young female aide, according to three people close to Correct the Record’s management.
Mr. Strider did not respond to an email seeking comment.
A spokesman for Mrs. Clinton provided a statement from Utrecht, Kleinfeld, Fiori, Partners, the law firm that had represented the campaign in 2008 and has been involved on sexual harassment issues.
“To ensure a safe working environment, the campaign had a process to address complaints of misconduct or harassment. When matters arose, they were reviewed in accordance with these policies, and appropriate action was taken,” the statement said. “This complaint was no exception.”
So she docked him pay and made him undergo counseling. Then the next time it happened, years later, he was fired?
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 26 January 2018 16:53 (six years ago) link
Smells of bs to me that after a huge anti-Trump bombshell within hours the Times is all "breaking news, Clinton blah blah ... "
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 26 January 2018 16:55 (six years ago) link
Thanks again Maggie Haberman
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, 26 January 2018 16:55 (six years ago) link
at least when we destroy the ring in Mount Doom Trumpie is done for
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Friday, 26 January 2018 16:57 (six years ago) link
It never happened.Okay, it happened but it's not that bad.Okay, it's bad but it's not illegal.Okay, it's illegal but not when the president does it.Bbbbbut HillaryObamaemailFBIRSghazi.gollum
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 26 January 2018 16:59 (six years ago) link
I think Trump is sick of Presidenting and would like to quit but doesnt want to be a quitter so he is hoping for a triumphant TAKE DOWN that he can complain about and say how he was cheated etc etc golf golf
― Dean of the University (Latham Green), Friday, 26 January 2018 17:00 (six years ago) link
when he talks about "cameras going off" he's referring to the clicks and flashes of active cameras, i think, not that they're turning them off. he seems to have this idea that whenever he talks about fake news, the media gets really excited and photographers take a bunch of pictures. i've seen him mention this several times now, it's really fucking weird
― Karl Malone, Friday, 26 January 2018 17:00 (six years ago) link
It never happened. global warming doesn't existOkay, it happened but it's not that bad. global warming might be happening but it's actually good for agricultureOkay, it's bad but it's not illegal. global warming is happening, but there's nothing we can do about itOkay, it's illegal but not when the president does it. al gore rides in planesBbbbbut HillaryObamaemailFBIRSghazi. some really fucking awful thing that will happen in the 2020s paired with republicans claiming they never opposed action on global warminggollum ...gollum
― Karl Malone, Friday, 26 January 2018 17:03 (six years ago) link
yeah he meant cameras flashing, though weirdly Ingraham and her ilk have seized upon the alternate interpretation and saying the media was booed for turning their cameras off.
doesn't even pass the.....oh why do I bother
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Friday, 26 January 2018 17:03 (six years ago) link
well during the campaign he did this a ton—the inference being that networks wouldn't broadcast any criticisms he made of them. He'd say, look, now they'll turn their cameras off...that's how I heard him today
― Patton Oswalt Defense Lawyer (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 26 January 2018 17:05 (six years ago) link
hmmm, I never thought of it that way, why point that out? thought the narrative was "I'm telling the truth they DONT WANT YOU TO SEE!!" not "hey they're taking pictures right now". pretty sure he's said "they won't even show this" before. of course you may be right anyway, this is Donald Turmp we're talking
― frogbs, Friday, 26 January 2018 17:05 (six years ago) link
Trump, at Davos, repeated one of his most ludicrous rally lies - saying TV cameras were being turned off as he insulted the media. He looks straight ahead and claims to see something that is not occurring. https://t.co/d6YepkeF7k— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) January 26, 2018
This was a more subdued Davosy version of the usual rally lie. Usually, he points triumphantly at the cameras and claims he sees CNN just turned its camera off. pic.twitter.com/hsLYuWHdAn— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) January 26, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 26 January 2018 17:06 (six years ago) link
State of the Union address as best as I can muster:
There once was a shithead from QueensA baron with hate in his genesWhen his nethers would chafeNo one's pussy was safeAnd now somehow he runs the Marines
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Friday, 26 January 2018 17:07 (six years ago) link
xpost ahh...ok I guess that's what he was saying then. still don't buy his camp's spin that *that's* why the crowd was booing.
if we're doing clinton again then let's do all the hits
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/01/26/jeb-bush-warns-trumps-character-may-drag-down-gop-2018-elections/1067795001/
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 26 January 2018 17:07 (six years ago) link
high-larious opinion piece from the Sensible Center in the NYT today (gee, v unusual)
centrist hall monitors are losing control over democracy and are super mad about it https://t.co/w4MMamNUSG— Adam H. Johnson (@adamjohnsonNYC) January 26, 2018
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 26 January 2018 17:08 (six years ago) link
imagine believing a system where candidates have to win over a clique of big money, billionaire, and establishment party interests while feigning concern for the working class weeded out sociopaths rather than creating them.— Adam H. Johnson (@adamjohnsonNYC) January 26, 2018
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 26 January 2018 17:09 (six years ago) link
Putin is laughing his ass off right now
― Dean of the University (Latham Green), Friday, 26 January 2018 17:11 (six years ago) link
Breaking now on WSJ: Steve Wynn’s pattern of sexual misconduct. Wynn is the lead fundraiser for the RNC. https://t.co/OKakaJx8ej— Julie Bykowicz (@bykowicz) January 26, 2018
but what about hillary in 2008
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 26 January 2018 17:12 (six years ago) link
― Karl Malone, Friday, January 26, 2018 12:00 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Well, he's joking. Another way he could put it is "...and all the FAKE news out there- I can see all the journalists starting to sweat right now. They're panicking! Look at them. Anyway..."
I wouldn't overanalyze it. He's just being a dick like usual.
― Evan, Friday, 26 January 2018 17:13 (six years ago) link
Adam NYC expressed some serious concerns earlier this week over what he referred to as the “woke deep state”
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, 26 January 2018 17:16 (six years ago) link
my bad on the trump camera thing - i was always completely misunderstanding him. hundreds of years from now there will be a field dedicated to him in schools of translation, trying to decipher what exactly he meant, what was meant sarcastically or as a joke, what he ever really thought about anything. even as a native english speaker i have no fucking clue what he's trying to say half the time
― Karl Malone, Friday, 26 January 2018 17:18 (six years ago) link
thank god the most watched 'news' network is here to tell us what he means 24 hours a day
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Friday, 26 January 2018 17:19 (six years ago) link
message for scholars of the future: he really is as dumb as he appears. don't give him the benefit of the doubt, he actually is saying these really dumb things all the time
― Karl Malone, Friday, 26 January 2018 17:19 (six years ago) link
It's just my opinion though. There is a strange overlap where if when it appears he's joking at first he'll just keep rolling with it if his followers latch on to it. So, sure who knows.
― Evan, Friday, 26 January 2018 17:20 (six years ago) link
so weird.
also, looks like a kennedy has won the honor of delivering one of the most reliably awkward speeches in politics
WASHINGTON (AP) — Rep. Joe Kennedy III of Massachusetts will deliver the Democratic response to President Donald Trump’s State of the Union address next week.House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer made the announcement in a statement Thursday night. They say Kennedy is “a relentless fighter for working Americans.” The 37-year-old Kennedy is serving his third term in the House.Pelosi and Schumer say Elizabeth Guzman of Virginia will deliver the Spanish-language response to Trump’s speech. Guzman, 44, is an immigrant from Peru who was recently elected to Virginia’s House of Delegates.The Democratic leaders say Kennedy and Guzman will emphasize that “Democrats are laser-focused on enacting policies to benefit middle-class Americans, not special interests or the wealthiest.”
House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer made the announcement in a statement Thursday night. They say Kennedy is “a relentless fighter for working Americans.” The 37-year-old Kennedy is serving his third term in the House.
Pelosi and Schumer say Elizabeth Guzman of Virginia will deliver the Spanish-language response to Trump’s speech. Guzman, 44, is an immigrant from Peru who was recently elected to Virginia’s House of Delegates.
The Democratic leaders say Kennedy and Guzman will emphasize that “Democrats are laser-focused on enacting policies to benefit middle-class Americans, not special interests or the wealthiest.”
― Karl Malone, Friday, 26 January 2018 17:22 (six years ago) link
wasn't there a year (or multiple years?) where the networks all broadcasted a Tea Party response to obama's SOTU, in addition to the republican response? or am i just making shit up? u.s. politics is starting to look and feel like a broadcast you might see on a broken television in the background of a scene in Brazil
― Karl Malone, Friday, 26 January 2018 17:25 (six years ago) link
they should *just* do a Spanish response
― rob, Friday, 26 January 2018 17:26 (six years ago) link
wonder if the Dems will push the RNC to return Steve Wynn's money the way Republicans spent weeks loudly chastising the DNC for Harvey Weinstein
probably not
― frogbs, Friday, 26 January 2018 17:27 (six years ago) link
lol never that would be rude
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Friday, 26 January 2018 17:29 (six years ago) link
DACA has been made increasingly difficult by the fact that Cryin’ Chuck Schumer took such a beating over the shutdown that he is unable to act on immigration!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 26, 2018
even a stopped clock, yada yada yada
― frogbs, Friday, 26 January 2018 17:30 (six years ago) link
wasn't there a year (or multiple years?) where the networks all broadcasted a Tea Party response to obama's SOTU, in addition to the republican response? or am i just making shit up? u.s. politics is starting to look and feel like a broadcast you might see on a broken television in the background of a scene in Brazil― Karl Malone, Friday, January 26, 2018 5:25 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Karl Malone, Friday, January 26, 2018 5:25 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yes. the networks were so fucking dumb they thought the tea party was separate from the GOP. in spite of being run by former gop apparatchiks and voting with the gop on just about everything.
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 26 January 2018 17:31 (six years ago) link
re Joe III
that this nonentity is even in Congress is an embarrassment. at least they're sending him out to die doing the response. https://t.co/3fEtaLWGER— slackbot (@pareene) January 26, 2018
joe kennedy's anti-marijuana legalization stance should excite the kids— Atrios (@Atrios) January 26, 2018
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 26 January 2018 17:37 (six years ago) link
Come on, man. If we can talk about the Kevin Spacey stuff from 20 years ago and deservedly take him down, we can talk about Hillary from 2008. (And 1992 and 1996.)
― Millennial Whoop, wanna fight about it? (Phil D.), Friday, 26 January 2018 17:38 (six years ago) link
Joe Kennedy III seems pretty good. I’ve seen a few people point to the anti-marijuana legislation thing because it was the one thing they could find probably. Also his name allows for the “elite” thing.
Rep Joe Kennedy won't tolerate the GOP's hypocrisy on healthcare #MorningJoe pic.twitter.com/m94eXa6dnh— #LaquanMcDonald (@ifuaskmee) July 5, 2017
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, 26 January 2018 17:44 (six years ago) link
I have no doubt he seems 'pretty good' at keeping the Dem Death March going
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 26 January 2018 17:49 (six years ago) link
It's an embarrassment that the left has to keep calling on Kennedy's and Clinton's. There should be a 3 generation ban on anybody named Clinton or Kennedy or Bush being elected to any office.
― brotherlovesdub, Friday, 26 January 2018 17:52 (six years ago) link
fuck joe kennedy
― marcos, Friday, 26 January 2018 17:55 (six years ago) link
big plusses for Chuck & Nancy:
Kennedy's net worth is estimated to be $15-55 million.
On July 24, 2013, Kennedy was one of seven members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus (CPC) who voted against the Amash-Conyers amendment to limit Section 215 of the Patriot Act, which tried to restrict NSA surveillance programs.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 26 January 2018 17:58 (six years ago) link
that slot doesn't matter, and i'm glad none of the potential presidential candidates are taking it.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 26 January 2018 17:59 (six years ago) link
Agreed. I’m not saying let’s build the party around this Kennedy but the dismissiveness is definitely coming from an ignorant place.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, 26 January 2018 18:08 (six years ago) link
kinda forgot about bobby "digital" jindal's career ending response
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 26 January 2018 18:08 (six years ago) link
a potentially career ending gig of no import
― Simon H., Friday, 26 January 2018 18:11 (six years ago) link
Almost no one had heard of Marco Rubio or Tim Kaine, and they still haven't.
― Tippi Sanhedrin (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 26 January 2018 18:16 (six years ago) link
“Kennedy's net worth is estimated to be $15-55 million”
WHAT!!!! okay I didn’t know that. h”Hey everybody nevermind how he speaks about or votes on health care, it doesn’t matter now if this politician agrees with you on something important it’s not good now.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, 26 January 2018 18:17 (six years ago) link
Pretty sure the only memorable SOTU response was when Rubio took his fateful sip of water
― hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Friday, 26 January 2018 18:20 (six years ago) link
Has the SOTU response ever had an effect other than jokes about the awkwardness of whoever delivers it? It’s always a shitty speech bc it’s some dumbass in an empty room talking to a camera, attempting to respond to a speech that hasn’t been delivered yet, so it’s either super vague platitudes or focused on issues that aren’t mentioned in the SOTU. If you want an inspiring and momentous speech wait for an event with an audience imo.
― JoeStork, Friday, 26 January 2018 18:22 (six years ago) link
Full new piece by Mariotti worth a read
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/01/26/mueller-trump-obstruction-of-justice-russia-216532
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 26 January 2018 18:51 (six years ago) link
hey watch this not matter at all as Hannity, the crew of Fox & Friends, and the entire GOP Congress vehemently claim that a sitting President cannot "obstruct" justice
― frogbs, Friday, 26 January 2018 18:57 (six years ago) link
if they delivered the SOTU response before a crowd, it's go over great, but they wouldn't do that because they're the Democrats and the possibility of something going amiss would terrify them
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 26 January 2018 18:57 (six years ago) link
― marcos, Friday, January 26, 2018 12:55 PM
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 26 January 2018 19:03 (six years ago) link
a crowd would be better than the current hostage-video setup, but you still can't compete with all the pomp and ceremony of the actual SOTU. in doesn't matter which party is in power, the person repping the opposition is always going to look like some loser-ass nerd.
― evol j, Friday, 26 January 2018 19:04 (six years ago) link
i've got no real beef with Joe Kennedy III but he's exactly 18 days older than I am. He's possibly too young to have even understood all the jokes the first time "The Boy Who Knew Too Much" aired.
https://frinkiac.com/meme/S05E20/540038/m/IENPTUUgQkFDSyBIRVJFISBJJ00gTk9UCiBUSFJPVUdIIERFTUVBTklORyBZT1Uh
― evol j, Friday, 26 January 2018 19:12 (six years ago) link
xpost This year, though, Jimmy Kimmel is interviewing Stormy Daniels right after. They should just make that the official response.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 26 January 2018 19:13 (six years ago) link
this guy should do it
Eminem: A "f--king turd would have been better as a president" than Trump https://t.co/V15c84mrA1 pic.twitter.com/YSh4j9216L— The Hill (@thehill) January 26, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 26 January 2018 19:22 (six years ago) link
I read Renato Mariotti's article in Politico that Ned linked. It is especially interesting in that it carefully considers evidence already made public and constructs the bare outline of a legal brief against the president, considering how the available evidence can be used to meet various legal standards and counter certain defenses. As a summary, it is a model of clarity and economy.
What struck me most is that Mariotti did not even consider whether Mueller has strong evidence of crimes perpetrated by Trump himself, so that his interest in obstructing justice was to protect himself rather than merely protecting those near him.
I expect such strong evidence of personal criminal activity by Trump will be critical to any proceeding to impeachment by a Republican congress. Obstruction of justice, by itself, will be quibbled away by Ryan as excusable, and anything short of the country exploding in anger and taking to the streets would result in no impeachment articles emerging from the House. Ryan would not even grant hearings if he thought he could get away with it.
― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 26 January 2018 19:36 (six years ago) link
Renato is a straight shooter. I think we're hosting a small fundraiser for his IL AG campaign.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 26 January 2018 19:37 (six years ago) link
I Love Attorneys General
― sleepingbag, Friday, 26 January 2018 19:39 (six years ago) link
I expect such strong evidence of personal criminal activity by Trump will be critical to any proceeding to impeachment by a Republican congress. Obstruction of justice, by itself, will be quibbled away by Ryan as excusable, and anything short of the country exploding in anger and taking to the streets would result in no impeachment articles emerging from the House. Ryan would not even grant hearings if he thought he could get away with it.― A is for (Aimless), Friday, January 26, 2018 7:36 PM (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― A is for (Aimless), Friday, January 26, 2018 7:36 PM (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
agreed. I feel like this is the part of mueller's case that will take fucking forever to tie-in with obstruction.
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 26 January 2018 19:45 (six years ago) link
senate is another matter, but assuming the democrats take the house in november, it doesn't matter whether ryan wants impeachment articles to emerge from the house.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 26 January 2018 19:48 (six years ago) link
it would take *a lot* (as in a whole lot of damning evidence of explicit wrongdoing, presented in a convincing, straightforward manner) to get people marching in the streets en masse on this for more than a couple of days imo
― Simon H., Friday, 26 January 2018 19:52 (six years ago) link
Best timing for a Mueller report would be about Labor Day, may be late August, in time for it to become the only issue of the 2018 election. This election will mostly be a referendum on Trump anyway, but Mueller dropping his report would superheat the issue and frame it in terms of "is our country run by criminals? the evidence says yes."
― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 26 January 2018 19:59 (six years ago) link
People didn’t go to the streets after he repeatedly threatened to use nukes.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, 26 January 2018 20:09 (six years ago) link
Exactly.
― Simon H., Friday, 26 January 2018 20:10 (six years ago) link
assuming the democrats take the house in november
I don't see this as assumable or even >50% probable
(though definitely plausible in a way it wasn't 6 months ago)
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 26 January 2018 20:14 (six years ago) link
the DNC is convinced elections are won by going for sensible moderates with policies that no one likes. if the mueller investigation wraps up this summer they will find a way to avoid saying "we're running on an impeachment ticket" in the same way they avoid saying "single payer".
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 26 January 2018 20:17 (six years ago) link
at the local level there are probably places where that makes electoral sense, tbf.
xps. right. republican collusion in the obstruction of justice would not anger the people enough to take to the streets, so the criminality will have to be so undeniable that open collusion would be political suicide for most republicans.
― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 26 January 2018 20:19 (six years ago) link
caek otm
― Patton Oswalt Defense Lawyer (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 26 January 2018 20:25 (six years ago) link
i could not wish I was more wrong but i think america is past the protest peak. a vast majority of americans will never take to the streets even if their livelihoods were directly threatened. anything but to “go down to the level of those troublemakers that delay my drive to work”
― barreras, Friday, 26 January 2018 20:53 (six years ago) link
right in line with that:
Just remember: rich people would happily throw you into a volcano if it meant that their dog would get to doggy daycare on time pic.twitter.com/OtJuTNWWuJ— Willful Nice Hound (@inthesedeserts) January 23, 2018
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 26 January 2018 21:01 (six years ago) link
who watches the foxmen?
https://campaignforaccountability.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/CfA-Ethics-Complaint-Devin-Nunes-1-25-18.pdf
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 26 January 2018 21:08 (six years ago) link
this is an enjoyable read about another state (along with NY and CA) where the GOP senate candidate may cost them at the state level, but in this case it may cost them a winnable senate seat too.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/pennsylvania-republicans-vent-frustration-with-lou-barlettas-senate-campaign/article/2647231
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 26 January 2018 21:58 (six years ago) link
On the flip side, if Trump were seriously threatened with impeachment, how many people would march in his defense? I honestly think a huge percentage of the population hates him but are just mentally buckled in to wait this shit out.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 26 January 2018 22:34 (six years ago) link
Hmm
NEW: Mueller's team has interviewed Facebook staff associated with the Trump campaign as part of the Russia investigation. (plus your daily reminder that an interview is not an implication of guilt) https://t.co/qkypIeWAeg— issie lapowsky (@issielapowsky) January 26, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 26 January 2018 22:42 (six years ago) link
"So, would you characterize your memes as 'dank,' or 'amazeballs'?"
― Tippi Sanhedrin (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 26 January 2018 22:44 (six years ago) link
My fave (not silly) conspiracy theory is that the Russians colluded with Jared and the data firm (remember when that super sketchy looking bearded tech dude was interviewed?) on how and where to target those handfuls of states that turned the election. Like, if the Trump people told the Russians exactly where to spread their Facebook propaganda, that's some collusion right there.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 26 January 2018 22:48 (six years ago) link
http://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/170616133602-brad-parscale-exlarge-169.jpg
This dude, been laying low, counting his Trump money.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 26 January 2018 22:49 (six years ago) link
how has everyone been enjoying being a lot richer? been p cool
― bhad and bhabie (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 26 January 2018 22:54 (six years ago) link
McGahn sure seems to be wanting to paint himself as a hero more and more
White House counsel was 'fed up' with Trump: source https://t.co/HKu8pCov2h— Reuters Politics (@ReutersPolitics) January 26, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 26 January 2018 22:57 (six years ago) link
Or he sees the writing on the wall and is asking for a little push out the door.
― Patton Oswalt Defense Lawyer (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 26 January 2018 23:17 (six years ago) link
He is actually about to make a run for it in that picture
― Patton Oswalt Defense Lawyer (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 26 January 2018 23:18 (six years ago) link
Eh, this is all shit that happened in June. These idiots are in it for the long haul, unless they're cooperating.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 26 January 2018 23:19 (six years ago) link
Of course it's stuff that happened in June. The fact that it's being more openly talked about now means someone wants daylight.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 26 January 2018 23:24 (six years ago) link
Ned otm.
The leaks are timed. These stories about McGhan are coming out now for a reason—whomever's behind them. Another scenario is McGahan leaks it to protect the President from himself, in the hope that breaking the story might help keep him hemmed in. Trump is a nightmare for these guys.
― Patton Oswalt Defense Lawyer (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 26 January 2018 23:29 (six years ago) link
history’s biggest ‘aw diddums’ for these assholes
― your skeleton is ready to hatch (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 26 January 2018 23:38 (six years ago) link
It will be fun when all of this reporting is autopsied a year (or god forbid seven) from now and none of the sources are Mark Felt institution-types motivated to keep mum. Every one of these clowns Trump let into the oval office is gonna be looking for a book deal.
― Patton Oswalt Defense Lawyer (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 26 January 2018 23:55 (six years ago) link
The leaks are likely coming from Bannon as always. Or maybe Reince. But probably Bannon, who has been leaking from the start, may be cooperating, and actually has an ax to grind.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 27 January 2018 00:07 (six years ago) link
I think I read McGahan Priebus and Bannon have the same lawyer, so yeah its probably that guy
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Saturday, 27 January 2018 00:20 (six years ago) link
Just think, we had never heard of any of these people, except Trump who was a sideshow celebrity
― treeship 2, Saturday, 27 January 2018 00:28 (six years ago) link
*three years ago
three million years ago
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 27 January 2018 01:17 (six years ago) link
three million trees ago. if you are clamoring for more books on these pricks you are part of the problem. maybe NYT just knows their audience too well. the hunger for Trump content is insatiable.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 27 January 2018 01:23 (six years ago) link
Is this bad?
EXCLUSIVE: President Donald Trump pressed senior aides last June to devise and carry out a campaign to discredit senior FBI officials after learning that those specific officials were likely to be witnesses against him. https://t.co/U7Qk3uTpGW— Foreign Policy (@ForeignPolicy) January 26, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 27 January 2018 01:24 (six years ago) link
I have to admit, it takes a certain amount of bravery to fuck with the FBI. Maybe bravery isn’t the word.
― treeship 2, Saturday, 27 January 2018 01:29 (six years ago) link
This sounds like it could be obstruction of justice though but I’m not a lawyer
https://static.rogerebert.com/uploads/review/primary_image/reviews/dragon-inn-2016/hero_Dragon-Inn-2016.jpg
i'm not really sure where to post this but i just got back from the movies and i submit that trump could and should be replaced by the blonde, pink-faced, asthmatic eunuch usurper villain of king hu's dragon inn (1967). he does a lot of squinting into the sun and yelling at people which seems in-character and also at the end he gets his head chopped off by an underling he'd tried to manipulate and exploit through clumsy, bullying manipulation. all in all this is basically how i prefer to imagine things going from here on out.
― Righteous wax chaperone, rotating Wingdings (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 27 January 2018 03:03 (six years ago) link
i'm with u
― mookieproof, Saturday, 27 January 2018 03:04 (six years ago) link
I’ve not checked rotten tomatoes nor am I fluent in cantonese but I’m willing to bet that is the best blurb/review ever written about that movie I’ve never seen
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 27 January 2018 03:05 (six years ago) link
https://p1.pstatp.com/large/26eb00033ed5c6af1e73?123.jpg
"I've been treated very, very unfairly, and we're going to look into that"
― Righteous wax chaperone, rotating Wingdings (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 27 January 2018 03:08 (six years ago) link
The likeness is uncanny.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 27 January 2018 03:35 (six years ago) link
three million trees ago. if you are clamoring for more books on these pricks you are part of the problem. maybe NYT just knows their audience too well. the hunger for Trump content is insatiable.― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, January 26, 2018 8:23 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I don't think anyone said they were "clamoring for more books on these pricks." What does this mean? What does it have to do with NYT?
― Patton Oswalt Defense Lawyer (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 27 January 2018 03:59 (six years ago) link
adam is doing his own thing
― mookieproof, Saturday, 27 January 2018 04:36 (six years ago) link
slate once again states the obvious like it's some new revelation
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/01/the-obstruction-case-is-getting-solid.html
― reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 27 January 2018 13:14 (six years ago) link
That story about Dutch intelligence stumbling on the Russian hacking operation is crazy:
https://www.volkskrant.nl/tech/dutch-agencies-provide-crucial-intel-about-russia-s-interference-in-us-elections%7Ea4561913
The Cozy Bear hackers are in a space in a university building near the Red Square. The group's composition varies, usually about ten people are active. The entrance is in a curved hallway. A security camera records who enters and who exits the room. The AIVD hackers manage to gain access to that camera. Not only can the intelligence service now see what the Russians are doing, they can also see who's doing it. Pictures are taken of every visitor. In Zoetermeer, these pictures are analyzed and compared to known Russian spies. Again, they've acquired information that will later prove to be vital.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 27 January 2018 14:41 (six years ago) link
Jimmy Kimmel is interviewing Stormy Daniels after the SOTU
and Maxine Waters is delivering her response on BET
options 4u
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 27 January 2018 17:04 (six years ago) link
LBI shared the AIVD / Cozy Bear story earlier but he totally buried the lede imo
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 27 January 2018 17:23 (six years ago) link
Shared it in the Trump-Russia collusion thread iirc
― ♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Saturday, 27 January 2018 17:58 (six years ago) link
Oh that’s right. Amazing this shit is all public already. SIGINT bidness is supposed to stay out of the news for 25 years at least, clearly the world has moved on
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 27 January 2018 18:11 (six years ago) link
The first head of the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) slammed President Trump and Republicans in a new interview, saying their environmental policies and denials of the threat posted by climate change are dangerous for the U.S.“It’s a threat to the country,” William Ruckelshaus, the first head of the EPA who was appointed under former President Richard Nixon, told Huffington Post. “If you don’t step up and take care of real problems, and don’t do anything about it, lives will be sacrificed.”“They certainly are killing everything,” he continued.Ruckelshaus compared Trump’s EPA chief, Scott Pruitt, to Anne Gorsuch, the former EPA administrator under former President Ronald Reagan who was held in contempt of Congress after refusing to turn over records related to the mishandling of toxic waste.“They don’t believe in the mission of the agency,” Ruckelshaus told Huffington Posy. “Neither one of them did. Anne Gorsuch did not, and I don’t think Pruitt does either. They think we’re over-regulating.”
The first head of the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) slammed President Trump and Republicans in a new interview, saying their environmental policies and denials of the threat posted by climate change are dangerous for the U.S.
“It’s a threat to the country,” William Ruckelshaus, the first head of the EPA who was appointed under former President Richard Nixon, told Huffington Post. “If you don’t step up and take care of real problems, and don’t do anything about it, lives will be sacrificed.”
“They certainly are killing everything,” he continued.
Ruckelshaus compared Trump’s EPA chief, Scott Pruitt, to Anne Gorsuch, the former EPA administrator under former President Ronald Reagan who was held in contempt of Congress after refusing to turn over records related to the mishandling of toxic waste.
“They don’t believe in the mission of the agency,” Ruckelshaus told Huffington Posy. “Neither one of them did. Anne Gorsuch did not, and I don’t think Pruitt does either. They think we’re over-regulating.”
http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/371053-first-epa-chief-gop-climate-change-denial-a-threat-to-the-country
Ruckelshaus with the sick burns
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 27 January 2018 19:22 (six years ago) link
A reminder: the awful Anne Gorsuch gave birth to an awful Gorsuch
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 27 January 2018 19:34 (six years ago) link
speaking of toxic dynasties no pun intended
― maura, Saturday, 27 January 2018 20:17 (six years ago) link
Gorsuck
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 27 January 2018 20:23 (six years ago) link
― reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, January 27, 2018 1:14 PM (eight hours ago)
at some point slate seems to have ditched the #slatepitch approach in favor of "here's why it's bad that donald trump did this bad thing."
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 27 January 2018 21:17 (six years ago) link
oh man
Oh...so NOW we know which organizations received political donations from the Mercer Family Foundation This afternoon is going to be 🔥LIT🔥 pic.twitter.com/y4ASLGUPmr— Alt_SeanSpicer'sMic🎙🤦🏻♀️🎙 (@Alt_Spicerlies) January 27, 2018
― reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 27 January 2018 23:05 (six years ago) link
"sucess academy charter schools" [sic]
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Sunday, 28 January 2018 05:21 (six years ago) link
― maura, Sunday, 28 January 2018 05:28 (six years ago) link
“There is a cooling, and there’s a heating. I mean look, it used to not be climate change, it used to be global warming. That wasn’t working too well because it was getting too cold all over the place. The ice caps were going to melt, they were going to be gone by now, but now they’re setting records. They’re at a record level.”
― JLB Credit (Jack BS), Sunday, 28 January 2018 15:56 (six years ago) link
Oh my god, he doesn’t know that they ice caps melt in the summer and then freeze again in the winter, does he? No one has explained that to him yet and obviously he didn’t read any of the reports, not even the special unique one they make just for him that’s all pictures. jfc
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 28 January 2018 16:11 (six years ago) link
i mean when has he exhibited curiosity toward anything not covered in cheap gold plating
― maura, Sunday, 28 January 2018 16:11 (six years ago) link
(including glorification of himself in the “cheap gold plating” obv)
― maura, Sunday, 28 January 2018 16:12 (six years ago) link
Speaking of immense mineral wealth, when he was elected I figured he’d be all about oil and gas exploration in the conveniently opened Northern Passage (its crazy, in the summers all the ice there magically melts for no reason now! No one has any idea why!!!!!!!!). He definitely supports it, or at least it’s important to the stooges that he appointed positions of power, but he doesn’t seem to have made it a personal issue. It’s just kind of surprising because it the mineral rights disputes up there seem perfect for him - lots of other countries with claims that he could provoke conflict with, an element later of science and statistics that he could completely abuse and ignore, a huge cash reward for whoever wins by fucking everyone over, etc
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 28 January 2018 16:19 (six years ago) link
is anyone up there calling him names?
― maura, Sunday, 28 January 2018 16:19 (six years ago) link
maybe someone can tell him it’s rife with sharks
but now they’re setting records. They’re at a record level. what a disgusting liar
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2017/sea-ice-extent-sinks-to-record-lows-at-both-poles
― reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 28 January 2018 16:21 (six years ago) link
Seriously, he’s probably looking at the sea ice extent from this winter (when most of it re-solidifies) and comparing it to the summer, when it melts. He’s really that dumb. You have to think of the dumbest possible thing.
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 28 January 2018 16:23 (six years ago) link
This is the dumbest apocalypse ever.
― jmm, Sunday, 28 January 2018 16:26 (six years ago) link
That’s not a giant meteor hurling toward earth, with an eta of 2 hours and 99.9999% chance of collision according to nasa! That is tv. It is a big tv screen showing a new movie that we haven’t seen. The Chinese have installed a big tv screen in the sky to scare us. I hope that I am on that tv screen
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 28 January 2018 16:28 (six years ago) link
it's basically Mars Attacks! but the aliens are from here
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 28 January 2018 16:31 (six years ago) link
I’m sure Piers Morgan quickly corrected him on this. He gets asked to be on television all the time so he must really deserve it
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 28 January 2018 16:31 (six years ago) link
"people keep falsely saying New York is besieged by monsters. why just yesterday I saw fresh delicious Hi-C pouring through the streets. I am sure liberals will insist it's blood"
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Sunday, 28 January 2018 17:13 (six years ago) link
If #2020election were today, 52% of #Trump voters would “definitely” re-elect him (was 49% last April) @FoxNews #Poll https://t.co/YHLWBp4GFX pic.twitter.com/UtSal0fpp3— Fox News Poll (@foxnewspoll) January 28, 2018
that seems extremely low
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 28 January 2018 17:34 (six years ago) link
sure but remember that trump voters have a record of lying to polls
― Arnold Schoenberg Steals (rushomancy), Sunday, 28 January 2018 17:41 (six years ago) link
yeah i'd like to see how obama voters answered that in 2010
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 28 January 2018 17:44 (six years ago) link
probably with non-sequiturs
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Sunday, 28 January 2018 17:46 (six years ago) link
'we'll see what happens, we'll see what happens'
― j., Sunday, 28 January 2018 17:52 (six years ago) link
a long read on manafort: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/03/paul-manafort-american-hustler/550925/
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 28 January 2018 18:09 (six years ago) link
Somebody please inform Jay-Z that because of my policies, Black Unemployment has just been reported to be at the LOWEST RATE EVER RECORDED!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 28, 2018
― Righteous wax chaperone, rotating Wingdings (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 28 January 2018 21:29 (six years ago) link
If only there were a platform to semd a targeted message to one particular person while everyone else could also see it
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Sunday, 28 January 2018 22:13 (six years ago) link
I wasn't going to watch the SOTU, but everyone seems to think he's finally getting ready to become presidential.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 28 January 2018 22:21 (six years ago) link
SOTU? More like STFU.
I read that Fox poll as 'more people who voted trump would not now, as opposed to April".
― Mark G, Sunday, 28 January 2018 22:56 (six years ago) link
New go-to Trump pic:
https://static.politico.com/dims4/default/266926e/2147483647/resize/1160x/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.politico.com%2Fdd%2F7e%2F22b7778141508db111d8712ebf53%2F180126-trump-pliers-ap-1160.jpg
― grawlix (unperson), Sunday, 28 January 2018 22:58 (six years ago) link
i think it's a shame that they stop doing voter polls on how people will vote on an election after the election ends. seriously, somebody poll people and ask them how they voted in 2016. i'd love to know what the results are.
― Arnold Schoenberg Steals (rushomancy), Sunday, 28 January 2018 22:59 (six years ago) link
Trump in a landslide.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 28 January 2018 23:01 (six years ago) link
Stupid:https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/schumers-to-do-list-fix-daca-win-the-senate-manage-trump/2018/01/28/2d0ba4ea-02a6-11e8-9d31-d72cf78dbeee_story.html?__twitter_impression=true
― Frederik B, Sunday, 28 January 2018 23:18 (six years ago) link
So Kurtz wasn't being a sock. He was quoting and apparently has not heard of retweeting or quotation marks.
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Sunday, 28 January 2018 23:36 (six years ago) link
Paywalled, what's the gist of the WaPo piece?
― Simon H., Sunday, 28 January 2018 23:39 (six years ago) link
Skimmed, but ... DACA fails, Republicans get blamed, giving cover to red state Dems to toe away from immigration, helping them get reelected while Chuck works on snagging 2 seats and defending 10 others?
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 29 January 2018 00:09 (six years ago) link
infinity chess!
― Simon H., Monday, 29 January 2018 00:15 (six years ago) link
Pretty much, yeah. Also, moderate Dems successfully pressured to end the shutdown, which means there was no strategy at all going into it.
― Frederik B, Monday, 29 January 2018 00:17 (six years ago) link
Oh, and Schumer thinks 'economic populism' means saying 'no WE'RE the ones working for the middle class'
― Frederik B, Monday, 29 January 2018 00:18 (six years ago) link
One suspicion is that ending the shutdown was what Manchin demanded to run again. He was ready to retire.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 29 January 2018 00:32 (six years ago) link
Are the Democrats making themselves a remotely attractive Opposition at the moment.I keep hearing things taht sound like mishandling and wondering if that is going to counter a swing back to sanity come the mid terms.
― Stevolende, Monday, 29 January 2018 12:47 (six years ago) link
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 January 2018 12:54 (six years ago) link
http://www.idahostatesman.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article125859554.html
― reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 29 January 2018 13:16 (six years ago) link
Reading a different reported story, it sounds like the Dems (and some GOP) want DACA separate so that it can get passed away from all the poison pill limits to legal migration, and in return they'd tack some border/wall money into the budget. That keeps Trump from scuttling discussions with hardline immigration demands, punting it to a future debate, which gives cover to Dems running in more conservative districts. That doesn't seem like a terrible strategy. The longer they delay the elective stuff, the closer we get to elections, when in theory the entire balance may change.
Regardless, Trump will fuck it up, whether or not he finally becomes presidential tomorrow. Because he will always be a piece of shit.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 29 January 2018 13:42 (six years ago) link
It's not a horrible strategy, but I can't see it working without the threat of another shutdown.
― Frederik B, Monday, 29 January 2018 13:47 (six years ago) link
I for one am ready for a rush of idiot journalists to tell us how "encouraged" we should be by a teleprompter SOTU that only includes a few references to genocide
― frogbs, Monday, 29 January 2018 13:47 (six years ago) link
good piece from Jeet on how the global elite are perfectly fine (or better) with Trumphttps://newrepublic.com/article/146797/davos-trump-became-leader-global-1-can-learn-love
― Simon H., Monday, 29 January 2018 13:57 (six years ago) link
“A year later, many of the business and political elites remain dismissive of him, privately rolling eyes and using words like ‘madman,’ but there was excitement about economic growth, and the tax cuts and regulatory rollback he has ushered in,” the Times added.
cor it's almost like business and political elites are amoral monsters bent on profit at the detriment of literally everything else
― your skeleton is ready to hatch (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 29 January 2018 14:00 (six years ago) link
it's almost like trump is part and parcel w/ a monstrous set of phenomena more than he is a gross outlier!
― Simon H., Monday, 29 January 2018 14:05 (six years ago) link
Yeah, business-centric articles about Davos have been pretty pro-Trump. Again, the feeling being that the bar is so very, very low that they're relieved that he didn't once smear his own feces on anything or anyone.
― Senior Soft-Serve Tech at the Froyo Arroyo (Old Lunch), Monday, 29 January 2018 14:07 (six years ago) link
The bar is low for anyone with the keys to capital.
― Simon H., Monday, 29 January 2018 14:10 (six years ago) link
Like, you shouldn't be impressed that the dipshit who carelessly threatened to start a nuclear war didn't actually start a nuclear war (yet). It's like I threatened to murder your whole family but you can't help but admire the restraint I showed in only stealing your identity and bankrupting you.
― Senior Soft-Serve Tech at the Froyo Arroyo (Old Lunch), Monday, 29 January 2018 14:11 (six years ago) link
otm, and trump's few accomplishments so far have all worked to put more capital in the hands of those who already have too much of it
― your skeleton is ready to hatch (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 29 January 2018 14:15 (six years ago) link
Which really adds a tragicomic air to the efforts by that one Davos protestor.
― Simon H., Monday, 29 January 2018 14:18 (six years ago) link
When I see 'Davos' I often briefly confuse it with 'Davros' and 'DeVos' but it's all the same thing in the end, really.
― Senior Soft-Serve Tech at the Froyo Arroyo (Old Lunch), Monday, 29 January 2018 14:22 (six years ago) link
And of course this is already a thing. Of course it is.
https://i.redd.it/e4aosqy18ofy.jpg
― Senior Soft-Serve Tech at the Froyo Arroyo (Old Lunch), Monday, 29 January 2018 14:23 (six years ago) link
can we not bring "bars" into the conversation plz
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 January 2018 14:24 (six years ago) link
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, January 29, 2018 8:42 AM (thirty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
It sounds like this strategy still relies on the GOP keeping its word (which at this point is foolish to expect) or yeah, another shutdown. If the Dems help the Republicans pass a budget first with the understanding that they'd pass DACA afterwards, I'm sorry, but that check's probably not getting cashed. If the Dems demand gets done BEFORE the budget then that just sets us up for another shutdown, right? Ideally, the Dems could say "You guys want wall money then let's put that in a separate bill with DACA after the budget's done and we'll pass it" but I assume the border funding has to be in the appropriations bill.
― evol j, Monday, 29 January 2018 14:26 (six years ago) link
“There is a cooling, and there’s a heating" is a very Jerry Lewis-like sentence structure.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 29 January 2018 14:44 (six years ago) link
first the chill --then the stuporthen the letting go
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 January 2018 14:48 (six years ago) link
brb gonna start a crematorium and promote it with the slogan 'there is a cooling, and there’s a heating'
― your skeleton is ready to hatch (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 29 January 2018 14:58 (six years ago) link
Release the mem--wait, hold on, NO:
Trump's own deputy attorney general thinks Carter Page might be a Russian agent: https://t.co/5lzoapEg1y pic.twitter.com/B7XHef2Osn— Michael Weiss (@michaeldweiss) January 29, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 29 January 2018 15:01 (six years ago) link
It is a pretty leaden time tbh xp
― Hunt3r, Monday, 29 January 2018 15:05 (six years ago) link
"There is a Cooling, and There is a Heating" is my favorite episode of The Return.
― Simon H., Monday, 29 January 2018 15:07 (six years ago) link
https://nypost.com/2018/01/28/trump-admits-that-he-tweets-from-bed/?utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=twitter_app
― j., Monday, 29 January 2018 15:08 (six years ago) link
Alert me when he finally confesses he tweets from the can.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 29 January 2018 15:09 (six years ago) link
oh he tweets from his can alright
― your skeleton is ready to hatch (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 29 January 2018 15:12 (six years ago) link
There’s no way Carter Page is a Russian agent. No country would put someone so stupid in a position of power like that...oh wait
― Karl Malone, Monday, 29 January 2018 15:44 (six years ago) link
tbh there's every possibility that carter page is such a colossal bumblefuck that he's managed to accidentally pledge allegiance to numerous foreign powers without realising it
― your skeleton is ready to hatch (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 29 January 2018 15:46 (six years ago) link
the zero mostel of international espionage
― Ned Raggett, Monday, January 29, 2018 1
Doesn't everyone!
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 January 2018 15:48 (six years ago) link
prince alfred from a can
― Simon H., Monday, 29 January 2018 15:49 (six years ago) link
i forgot to give Alfred his DSA membership form when I saw him the other night
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 29 January 2018 15:50 (six years ago) link
I'm sure the Guggenheim thought they were insulting him, but I think Trump might've been genuinely touched that they opted to send him a new gilded tweeting throne rather than some dumb dusty painting by a no-name has-been.
― Senior Soft-Serve Tech at the Froyo Arroyo (Old Lunch), Monday, 29 January 2018 15:51 (six years ago) link
Face it, he tweets and shits in the bed. EXECUTIVE TIME.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 29 January 2018 15:52 (six years ago) link
evacuative time
― your skeleton is ready to hatch (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 29 January 2018 15:59 (six years ago) link
Donald "John" Trump
― Pumpkin Soup and Mandy Patinkin (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 29 January 2018 16:07 (six years ago) link
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn)
too late, every time somebody mentions the president i have a pavlovian desire to visit one
― Arnold Schoenberg Steals (rushomancy), Monday, 29 January 2018 16:07 (six years ago) link
even if the president of the united states blows off today's sanctions deadline, i'll blame hillary / obama / the deep state
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/28/trump-russia-sanctions-deadline-373106
#MRGA
― reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 29 January 2018 16:16 (six years ago) link
As the PRESIDENT I have the authority to tweet from ANY place and believe me I do. The Oval Office, the Executive Washroom, Air Force One, I can Make America Great Again from anywhere. Jobs!
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 29 January 2018 16:33 (six years ago) link
God help us all, butDonnie 3-flush
― Karl Malone, Monday, 29 January 2018 16:36 (six years ago) link
Rep. Rodney Frelinghuysen is retiring. There's been a Frelinghuysen in NJ politics since before there was a NJ, basically. This is BIG. (Also, he's the chairman of the House Appropriations Committee.)
― grawlix (unperson), Monday, 29 January 2018 16:37 (six years ago) link
Thx Karl, I was eating
― Pumpkin Soup and Mandy Patinkin (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 29 January 2018 16:43 (six years ago) link
DUMPLINGS!?
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Monday, 29 January 2018 16:46 (six years ago) link
trumplings shurely
― your skeleton is ready to hatch (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 29 January 2018 16:48 (six years ago) link
It seems like by 'drain the swamp' Trump really meant 'empty the pool' (Caddyshack style)
― Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Monday, 29 January 2018 16:49 (six years ago) link
The House casualty list is, shall we say, unbalanced... pic.twitter.com/FwVJ7Vh6mJ— Mike DeBonis (@mikedebonis) January 29, 2018
― j., Monday, 29 January 2018 16:53 (six years ago) link
thread has gone into the shitter
― Pumpkin Soup and Mandy Patinkin (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 29 January 2018 16:53 (six years ago) link
Maybe the Feb. thread can be less scatological
― claude rains down in africa (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 29 January 2018 16:59 (six years ago) link
Only if Trump steps down.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 29 January 2018 17:06 (six years ago) link
you mean abdicates "the throne"?
― Pumpkin Soup and Mandy Patinkin (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 29 January 2018 17:08 (six years ago) link
If by "abdicates" you mean "dies on" a la Elvis, yes.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 29 January 2018 17:08 (six years ago) link
hey, i haven't said anything intensely negative in a couple minutes! i better throw this thought into the mix:
many of these extra seats that the democrats might pick up this year will be tough to hold in future elections, especially once trump is out of the picture. that includes seats that might normally be a toss-up but will lean blue this year because of what a colossal disaster trump is, and especially the ones that would normally be safe red seats but could end up as a democratic gain due to trump and the usual republican miscues (e.g. nominating someone like todd akin)
the difficulty of holding onto seats for democrats in red-leaning areas is nothing new, but /snipped out a bunch of tiresome shit about gerrymandering that we all already know. basically we're fucked
― Karl Malone, Monday, 29 January 2018 17:17 (six years ago) link
that was a dumb post, sorry. here's something useful, a useful timeline for those of us who sometimes have trouble keeping track of all this shit: https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/evidence-mueller-possible-obstruction-case-against-trump
― Karl Malone, Monday, 29 January 2018 17:19 (six years ago) link
the usual republican miscues (e.g. nominating someone like todd akin)
Missouri is like "hold my beer":
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/courtlandsykes-attackon-feminists_us_5a6a7ad3e4b01fbbefb05da8
(To be fair, Sykes is not the nominee and likely won't be; the sitting attorney general is also running so don't get your hopes up for a full Akin Moment. But still.)
― claude rains down in africa (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 29 January 2018 17:21 (six years ago) link
Revealing quote from @SenSchumer: "We believe strongly in the dreamers, but we can't just let that occupy the whole stage… We have to fight for middle class." https://t.co/kxL3vg4aa9— Eli Yokley (@eyokley) January 29, 2018
― Simon H., Monday, 29 January 2018 17:24 (six years ago) link
it's revealing that Schumer still thinks it's 1994
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 29 January 2018 17:27 (six years ago) link
BREAKING: Andrew McCabe, FBI Deputy Director & a frequent Trump target, stepping down.— Peter Alexander (@PeterAlexander) January 29, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 29 January 2018 17:28 (six years ago) link
I assume Mueller will be next
― Moodles, Monday, 29 January 2018 17:31 (six years ago) link
I mean, there'll be some redistricting in 2010, so hopefully they can win enough seats to make a fairer map and mitigate this
― hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Monday, 29 January 2018 17:33 (six years ago) link
McCabe's departure is no surprise -- he was going to retire in March anyway and, from what I'm seeing, he's cashing in some sick leave so he can do that early while still hitting the 20 year mark in March. That said, timing etc.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 29 January 2018 17:47 (six years ago) link
What's likely to happen as a result I wonder
― Evan, Monday, 29 January 2018 17:51 (six years ago) link
in 2020, obv
― hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Monday, 29 January 2018 17:52 (six years ago) link
― grawlix (unperson)
hail! hail! the country's risin'
― Arnold Schoenberg Steals (rushomancy), Monday, 29 January 2018 17:53 (six years ago) link
i kind of started to get into this above but deleted it because i don't know how to express it more concisely or persuasively. but what the hell, it's the internet! so
that's the problem, though, in terms of creating a real solution to the problem. democrats can take some seats in 2018/20 and then redraw the district maps so they're not getting fucked over across the country. and in some cases, they'll overstep notions of fairness and draw them in a way that favors democrats, and suddenly republicans will take up the torch against gerrymandering. and on and on until we all die. but if there was ever a time to propose real reform and fair elections, it would be now, years ahead of the time when it would actually be implemented. you can't do it after a democrat wave election because republicans will perceive that talk of "fair elections" and "reform" actually means "solidifying the democratic majority". i think you'd have to build popular support and craft the legislation years ahead of time, and schedule it for implementation in the semi-distant future (say, pass the law in 2019 and it would go into effect for the 2024 elections, or whatever) to quell those criticisms. but here we are, at the time when lawmakers should be doing those things, at a PERFECT time when there's already a bunch of talk about the integrity of our elections (russia) and a growing popular understanding (particularly on the left) of all the election mechanisms that are deeply unfair and undemocratic, and it's not happening.
after the mid-term, if there's another high stakes shutdown showdown and the democrats have a majority in the house, i hope they muster some courage and make election reform their key demand (assuming trump doesn't take almost a million kids hostage again by threatening to deport them)
― Karl Malone, Monday, 29 January 2018 17:53 (six years ago) link
I disagree with Karl. Incumbents are incumbents. And the 2020 census.
― El Tomboto, Monday, 29 January 2018 17:53 (six years ago) link
i don't understand why we can't all agree that a computer should draw the districts
― Karl Malone, Monday, 29 January 2018 18:04 (six years ago) link
Same reason we can't all agree that self-driving cars are safer than human drivers.
― claude rains down in africa (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 29 January 2018 18:05 (six years ago) link
We should resistrict GOP congressmen where they're easier to bomb imo
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 January 2018 18:08 (six years ago) link
Wut
‘The West Wing’ Cast Denounced Donald Trump with an ‘All The President’s Men’ Live Reading
Donations benefited the Society for Professional Journalists, and fellow sponsors included the Los Angeles Press Club and the American Civil Liberties Union. Councilmember Mitch O’Farrell of Los Angeles’ 13th District hosted
Um, that’s all the event did? A donations-accepted thing?
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Monday, 29 January 2018 19:39 (six years ago) link
sounds almost like it was perpetrated by self-congratulatory jellyfish
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 29 January 2018 19:41 (six years ago) link
As a Member of the House Judiciary Committee, I read the partisan, classified Nunes House Intel memo. I can't talk about it. However, here's an analogy.Remember Geraldo Rivera and the infamous Mystery of Al Capone's Vaults? It's like that, but Geraldo Rivera has more integrity.— Ted Lieu (@tedlieu) January 29, 2018
― grawlix (unperson), Monday, 29 January 2018 20:09 (six years ago) link
later dudes off to google geraldo and al capone's vaults
― ian, Monday, 29 January 2018 20:18 (six years ago) link
somebody get the Be-Sharps back together. now, what rhymes with "memo"?
― evol j, Monday, 29 January 2018 20:19 (six years ago) link
ian, it was a great moiment in TV
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 29 January 2018 20:23 (six years ago) link
Oh shit. I rushed over to my neighbors house after school to watch geraldo enter the vault. That was a cultural event.
― dan selzer, Monday, 29 January 2018 20:30 (six years ago) link
god i love a good al capone's vault reference
― maura, Monday, 29 January 2018 20:31 (six years ago) link
sad i missed it. :(
― ian, Monday, 29 January 2018 20:31 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH46Gc8fiPA
ROAD MAPS!!!
― maura, Monday, 29 January 2018 20:32 (six years ago) link
anyway, i came here to post this
On Flight to Davos, Trump Erupted Over DOJ Role in Russia Probe
Trump warned Sessions and others they need to excel at their jobs or go down as the worst in history, the two people said.
Uh... anyone want to break the bad news
― maura, Monday, 29 January 2018 20:33 (six years ago) link
release the memo
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 29 January 2018 20:39 (six years ago) link
Per that article, this bit:
Per Bloomberg, John Kelly has been calling DOJ officials to "lecture them on the White House’s expectations...He has taken to ending such conversations with a disclaimer that the White House isn’t expecting officials to do anything illegal or unethical." https://t.co/cj2k0NV7xV pic.twitter.com/RKvacKISYQ— Natasha Bertrand (@NatashaBertrand) January 29, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 29 January 2018 20:43 (six years ago) link
Fundamental incompetence.
Republicans may have to recall all State of the Union tickets because they say "Uniom" not "Union," per two Dem aides. pic.twitter.com/FosSnznIHp— Laura Barrón-López (@lbarronlopez) January 29, 2018
― grawlix (unperson), Monday, 29 January 2018 20:52 (six years ago) link
State of the Onion
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 29 January 2018 20:54 (six years ago) link
You mean Oniom
― claude rains down in africa (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 29 January 2018 20:54 (six years ago) link
I need to get that House of Representatives logo airbrushed onto my rear window
― erry red flag (f. hazel), Monday, 29 January 2018 20:55 (six years ago) link
a computer should draw the districts
yes, I agree, let's hire the one that thought up "crockpot cold water" so it can draw each district as a "completely meat circle"
― El Tomboto, Monday, 29 January 2018 20:57 (six years ago) link
He has taken to ending such conversations with a disclaimer that the White House isn’t expecting officials to do anything illegal or unethical."
looking for a dude to come over and watch porn and maybe jo. straight jocks only. no gay shit.
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 29 January 2018 21:06 (six years ago) link
(shitty uyd reference)
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 29 January 2018 21:07 (six years ago) link
so nice of them to provide the February thread title
― frogbs, Monday, 29 January 2018 21:07 (six years ago) link
but even that would arguably be better than what we have now
i don't think it's ridiculous to suggest that a computer program would be able to produce fair district borders. that's not 2030 sci-fi tech, it's something that could have accomplished 20 years ago, if not earlier. in contrast, the current system, which is literally handing all the power to whichever party just won with the full expectation that they'll exploit the system. "okay, election's over, let's go ahead and fill up the back room with smoke so that the winners can get started on re-districting! after all, it's the fairest way to go about this process, and there is no other way to do it"
― Karl Malone, Monday, 29 January 2018 21:10 (six years ago) link
― frogbs, Monday, January 29, 2018 3:07 PM (seven minutes ago)
― state of the omnomnom (WilliamC), Monday, 29 January 2018 21:16 (six years ago) link
Who the fuck lays out tickets in Word/Powerpoint that is not my coworkers?
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Monday, 29 January 2018 21:16 (six years ago) link
possible alternative title?
"The president was silent for a moment and then turned on McCabe, suggesting he ask his wife how it feels to be a loser ...McCabe replied: 'OK, sir.' Trump then hung up the phone." https://t.co/mZhO0tMejM via @carolelee— Rebecca Sinderbrand (@sinderbrand) January 29, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 29 January 2018 21:17 (six years ago) link
something like redistricting is exactly the type of task that computers can currently do much better than humans. creating new recipes (or "creating" anything) is exactly the type of task that computers currently can't do better than humans.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 29 January 2018 21:20 (six years ago) link
XP Five Minutes Later, McCabe to self: "Maybe I should ask...YOUR WIFE...MISTER TRUMP!"
― Never Learn To Mike Love (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 29 January 2018 21:23 (six years ago) link
i'm impressed that he had the poise to just say "ok sir"
― Karl Malone, Monday, 29 January 2018 21:23 (six years ago) link
kinda surprised trump didn't just try to fire mccabe that day, too
― Karl Malone, Monday, 29 January 2018 21:24 (six years ago) link
wait what? breaking from NYT:
WASHINGTON — Andrew G. McCabe abruptly stepped down on Monday as the F.B.I.’s deputy director after months of withering criticism from President Trump, telling friends he felt pressure from head of the bureau to leave, according to two people close to Mr. McCabe.Though Mr. McCabe’s retirement had been widely expected soon, his departure was nevertheless sudden. As recently as last week, Mr. McCabe had told people he hoped to stay until he was eligible to retire in mid-March. Instead, Mr. McCabe made his intentions known to colleagues on Monday, an American official said, and will immediately go on leave.In a recent conversation, Christopher A. Wray, the F.B.I. director, raised concerns about a forthcoming inspector general report examining the actions of Mr. McCabe and other senior F.B.I. officials during the 2016 presidential campaign, when the bureau was investigating both Hillary Clinton’s email use and the Trump campaign’s connections to Russia. In that discussion, according to one former law enforcement official close to Mr. McCabe, Mr. Wray suggested moving Mr. McCabe into another job, which would have been a demotion.
Though Mr. McCabe’s retirement had been widely expected soon, his departure was nevertheless sudden. As recently as last week, Mr. McCabe had told people he hoped to stay until he was eligible to retire in mid-March. Instead, Mr. McCabe made his intentions known to colleagues on Monday, an American official said, and will immediately go on leave.
In a recent conversation, Christopher A. Wray, the F.B.I. director, raised concerns about a forthcoming inspector general report examining the actions of Mr. McCabe and other senior F.B.I. officials during the 2016 presidential campaign, when the bureau was investigating both Hillary Clinton’s email use and the Trump campaign’s connections to Russia. In that discussion, according to one former law enforcement official close to Mr. McCabe, Mr. Wray suggested moving Mr. McCabe into another job, which would have been a demotion.
BREAKING NEWS The F.B.I. chief, Christopher Wray, put pressure on his deputy director to step aside after months of criticism from President Trump
― Karl Malone, Monday, 29 January 2018 21:26 (six years ago) link
I like it:
I turned Piers Morgan’s Trump interview into the “Steamed Hams” scene from The Simpsons. Enjoy! pic.twitter.com/Q2Gh0Zksuy— Jesse McLaren (@McJesse) January 29, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 29 January 2018 21:27 (six years ago) link
this year is going to be a complete debacle, isn't it
― Karl Malone, Monday, 29 January 2018 21:27 (six years ago) link
state of the uniom? at this time of year? at this time of day? in this part of the country? localized entirely within your kitchen?
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 29 January 2018 21:32 (six years ago) link
What the hammer? what the chain? In what furnace was thy brain?
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 January 2018 21:36 (six years ago) link
Rick Wilson otm about McCabe’s forthcoming book deal and television road show
― El Tomboto, Monday, 29 January 2018 21:39 (six years ago) link
Anyway fwiw my point was a computer was used to draw the gerrymandered districts after the 2010 census; having a computer do a thing solves nothing, it just does what people tell it to do, really fast
― El Tomboto, Monday, 29 January 2018 21:40 (six years ago) link
Smart move, president dummy, upgrading this bs to prime coverage 24 hours before your stupid speech.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 29 January 2018 21:42 (six years ago) link
Those State of the Uniom tickets will be going for so much cash on eBay. Like the upside down plane stamp, or the mispressing of Duran Duran's "Uniom of the Snake" single.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 29 January 2018 21:45 (six years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/618058703044939776/TJgFq010_400x400.jpg
― claude rains down in africa (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 29 January 2018 21:55 (six years ago) link
"Rick Wilson otm"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqvXquqTwoU
― Arnold Schoenberg Steals (rushomancy), Monday, 29 January 2018 21:57 (six years ago) link
oh shit I just watched that w/ daughter this weekend! Sad song.
― Pumpkin Soup and Mandy Patinkin (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 29 January 2018 22:06 (six years ago) link
i only want to sayif there is a waytake this Trumpaway from us
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Monday, 29 January 2018 22:07 (six years ago) link
The guy who wrote this is a former vice admiral in the Navy, director of the Defense Nuclear Agency and vice president at Bechtel. It's always good to remember that at least 50% of US national security elites are functionally insane. https://t.co/NFiwyg0pHs pic.twitter.com/XcXWX8kWun— Jon Schwarz (@schwarz) January 29, 2018
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 29 January 2018 22:15 (six years ago) link
First, and most important, bring science back into DOE and DOD. President Trump must immediately terminate the moratorium on underground nuclear testing. It will take decades to recover, and we must start now. It may take five years and cost two billion dollars just to conduct out first nuclear test in Nevada.
DOE’s testing is urgently needed to ensure that the nine types of weapons in our stockpile are still reliable and effective. They must carry us for decades. We must design, test, and produce low-yield weapons. We must conduct advanced research and testing toward pure fusion weapons. We must test better earth-penetrating weapons — our adversaries are going deep underground. We must test and design advanced replacements for our over-age stockpile weapons. Russia’s and China’s hypersonic nuclear missiles require our testing nuclear warheads for missile defense.
DOD must immediately re-establish the Defense Nuclear Agency to rebuild the essential military science of nuclear weapons effects throughout DOD by underground testing for battlefield survivability in Nevada.
Finally, President Trump must terminate the moratorium on nuclear testing as the headline of America's Nuclear Posture Review, a final version of which will be published in the weeks ahead.
http://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/370901-only-trump-can-restore-americas-ability-to-win-a-nuclear-war
BEFORE YOU CAN SAY BLASTOFF!
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 29 January 2018 22:17 (six years ago) link
Anyway fwiw my point was a computer was used to draw the gerrymandered districts after the 2010 census; having a computer do a thing solves nothing, it just does what people tell it to do, really fast― El Tomboto, Monday, January 29, 2018 2:40 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― El Tomboto, Monday, January 29, 2018 2:40 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/7xkmag/gerrymandering-algorithms
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 29 January 2018 23:00 (six years ago) link
iow the argument isn't "let computers draw districts", but "let computers fix gerrymandering problem"
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 29 January 2018 23:01 (six years ago) link
those algorithms embed the preferences and assumptions of their creators. their output will favor one party over another, so the choice to use them is ipso facto political. agreed upon metrics of gerrymandering and unelected redistricting commisions (such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Citizens_Redistricting_Commission in every state) are a better solution.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 29 January 2018 23:03 (six years ago) link
some senators about to do some huffing and puffing
The Trump admin has notified Congress that last year’s bipartisan Russia sanctions bill is serving as a “deterrent” and as such, specific sanctions aren’t needed at this time. From a State Dept spox: pic.twitter.com/rwkd6Vzh66— Elana Schor (@eschor) January 29, 2018
jesus christ
― Pumpkin Soup and Mandy Patinkin (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 29 January 2018 23:10 (six years ago) link
Adam Schiff debriefing press on House Intel meeting:
House R's voted yes on releasing the Devin Nunes memo, "no" on releasing minority memoHouse R's have unilaterally opened investigation into FBI
Can we safely say we are now having the "Consitutional crisis" everyone has feared?
― Pumpkin Soup and Mandy Patinkin (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 29 January 2018 23:29 (six years ago) link
seems like today was Bad!
― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 29 January 2018 23:30 (six years ago) link
While Congressional inaction is indeed a bad thing, keep in mind that dozens of congressmen and senators and investigators are privy to all sorts of stuff, so nothing is going to get buried if it is truly incriminating.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 29 January 2018 23:42 (six years ago) link
ME: We need a political party that will stand for universal health care, free housing, and an end to the carceral stateDEMOCRATS: What about a Kennedy that looks like Ron Weasley— Gore Vidal Sassoon (@JimmyJazz1968) January 29, 2018
The name Kennedy is triggering Berniecrats & the Left Why?— Poll Cat (@gato_danger) January 29, 2018
I'm opposed to any political dynasty. It's just a cult of personality and ignores policy goals— Gore Vidal Sassoon (@JimmyJazz1968) January 29, 2018
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Monday, 29 January 2018 23:42 (six years ago) link
xp but Josh this isn't inaction, it's a deliberate, proactive effort to reach into DOJ and FBI and disrupt a criminal investigation. (I stopped counting on the congressional committees to do anything a long time ago.)
― Pumpkin Soup and Mandy Patinkin (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 29 January 2018 23:50 (six years ago) link
xpost These people would have pushed FDR out of the party.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Monday, 29 January 2018 23:54 (six years ago) link
I've kinda just given up hope at this point cos if this O'Keefian power play works on the general population, idk if I'll still be living here in 5 years anyway.
when things I thought weren't going to be happening anytime soon like legalizing gay marriage came to fruition, I thought to myself "oh we'll get blowback for this I'm sure", didn't realize it would be being held hostage by a 30 million strong pseudo-Christian cult.
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Monday, 29 January 2018 23:59 (six years ago) link
Hey Mr President don’t do this please
John Bolton Remains Leading Candidate to Replace H. R. McMaster, my latest in @TheNatlInterest https://t.co/GJxgoMhRKu— Curt Mills (@CurtMills) January 29, 2018
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 00:07 (six years ago) link
swimming in an inner orbit, eh
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 00:15 (six years ago) link
I feel like this memo bullshit s a new level of fucked up. But I can only assume it’s going to get so much worse.
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 01:03 (six years ago) link
I’m assuming the minority memo will be leaked
― the late great, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 01:16 (six years ago) link
i can't for the life of me figure out why i'm supposed to care about this memo one way or the other
like i get that it's being played up as vindication for right wing fever dreams but what's the corollary will im not really following
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 01:35 (six years ago) link
"This memo is going to be a bunch of scary-sounding allegations that can't be debunked without leaking classified information. Fox News will run with it, Trump will fire Rosenstein, whoever replaces Rosenstein will fire Mueller (or, worse, will quietly kill/neuter Mueller's investigation), and the GOP will do nothing. And all the Dems will be able to do is complain about how they can't release the full story."
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 01:49 (six years ago) link
https://www.thedailybeast.com/julian-assange-thought-he-was-messaging-sean-hannity-when-he-offered-news-on-democrat-investigating-trump-russia/
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 01:55 (six years ago) link
John Bolton at the UN would def either turn it all to Duck Soup or accelerate our doom. Maybe both!
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 02:02 (six years ago) link
Gee, my sympathies for you:
Spicer: I regret embarrassing myself and my family https://t.co/cIqZqZH4jn pic.twitter.com/5UwxVrgkr0— The Hill (@thehill) January 30, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 02:07 (six years ago) link
ned that hannity story is nuts!
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 02:29 (six years ago) link
To put it mildly.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 02:34 (six years ago) link
Just to refresh, the sanctions against Russia that the President refused to sign were passed in the senate 98-2 and in the house 419-3
― Pumpkin Soup and Mandy Patinkin (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 02:46 (six years ago) link
yeah and we've already done enough damage to our relationship with our dear friend russia so it's time to just drop it, okay?
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 02:50 (six years ago) link
no to defend what is clearly Trump trying to delay something he doesn't want to do, but the actual legislation itself has an allowance for postponement written into it. It isn't quite the same as him refusing to obey the legislation. From the article on The Hill:
"The 2017 legislation allows President Trump to postpone imposing sanctions on people or entities if he determines they are largely scaling back their transactions with Russia's defense or intelligence sectors, as long as he notifies the appropriate congressional committees at least every 180 days that they are seeing such progress."
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 02:51 (six years ago) link
trump's gonna fire mueller during the state of the union tomorrow night, isn't he
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 03:03 (six years ago) link
I know it seems kind of reductive and sophomoric to say "oh, President of the United States is a Russian stooge" but for real the President of the United States is actually a Russian stooge. Like, this is really happening.
― Pumpkin Soup and Mandy Patinkin (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 03:04 (six years ago) link
Can you say kompromat? I knew you could.
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 03:05 (six years ago) link
this could be insane. i hope not.
WASHINGTON — Republicans on the House Intelligence Committee, disregarding Justice Department warnings that their actions would be “extraordinarily reckless,” voted Monday evening to release a contentious secret memorandum said to accuse the department and the F.B.I. of misusing their authority to obtain a secret surveillance order on a former Trump campaign associate.The vote, made along party lines, threw fuel on an already fiery partisan conflict over the investigations into Russia’s brazen meddling in the 2016 presidential election. Republicans invoked a power never before used by the secretive committee to effectively declassify the memo that they had compiled. It was an extraordinary maneuver, cheered on by President Trump, who has repeatedly dismissed the Russia investigation as a “witch hunt” and a sham.
The vote, made along party lines, threw fuel on an already fiery partisan conflict over the investigations into Russia’s brazen meddling in the 2016 presidential election. Republicans invoked a power never before used by the secretive committee to effectively declassify the memo that they had compiled. It was an extraordinary maneuver, cheered on by President Trump, who has repeatedly dismissed the Russia investigation as a “witch hunt” and a sham.
on the news sources most of us rely on, i'm guessing they'll just report on the memo and the fallout. but i don't really have a good sense of how it will go down on the right. part of me is stressed the fuck out that this is going to be #benghazi bullshit all over again
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 03:12 (six years ago) link
and not only is he really a russian stooge (for whatever reason: debt, kompromat, the kochs and tillerson worked out an oil deal with putin, who knows?), the republicans are using their congressional majority to cover up treason, while the russian stooge defies the conclusions of the FBI, the CIA, the dutch government, and whoever else, successfully delaying coming to terms with russia having meddled in our and other NATO countries' recent elections. we are in the upside down, the sunken place. joseph mccarthy must be spinning in his grave
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 03:13 (six years ago) link
karl, pierce as usual has sharp sight
http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a15917140/will-trump-fire-mueller/
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 03:17 (six years ago) link
i mean,
There is no known precedent for the Republicans’ action. Though House rules allow the Intelligence Committee to vote to disclose classified information if it is deemed to be in the public interest, the rule is not thought to have ever been used. Typically, lawmakers wishing to make public secretive information classified by the executive branch spend months, if not years, fighting with the White House and the intelligence community over what they can release.
wtf
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 03:21 (six years ago) link
it's not trump that even worries me right now, it's the house republicans. they are all in on fighting for trump, and starting a war with the justice department and the fbi to do it
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 03:22 (six years ago) link
despite flat income my tax return seems lower this year! where is my little richernessneed to figure out some deductions over here
― mh, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 03:24 (six years ago) link
I'm having...trouble finishing that Hannity/Assange story, i.e. I'm sick to my stomach.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 03:24 (six years ago) link
Pierce ha
Carter Page, the Zelig of international ratfucking
― Pumpkin Soup and Mandy Patinkin (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 03:32 (six years ago) link
"Russian spies gave up Carter Page while being bugged by the FBI. Page was a known Russian stooge. FBI warrants to watch him have been issued ever since by Rod Rosenstein. Now that Page is Trump's lackey, those warrants have ended, and the GOP is trying to get rid of the last man above Mueller, Rosenstein, by claiming 'He was watching our good man, Page! LOCK HIM UP', and the stooges eat it up.
"Meanwhile, our government has been compromised. Welcome to Amerika."
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 03:40 (six years ago) link
"trump's gonna fire mueller during the state of the union tomorrow night, isn't he"
Well I suppose it is the sweeps week version of The Presidential Apprentice, so I say it is possible.
― earlnash, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 06:43 (six years ago) link
Today has a real "end of Empire Strikes Back" feel. A lot of awful stuff suggesting awful things happened yesterday, huh?
― "Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 10:02 (six years ago) link
luv2see the needle on the authoritarianism thermometer edge ever-closer to 'outright fascism'
― your skeleton is ready to hatch (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 10:37 (six years ago) link
lol if the shutdown was still going, would the house intelligence committee even be able to meet? Gr8 stuff democrats, really getting goals accomplished there
― But doctor, I am Camille Paglia (Bananaman Begins), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 11:13 (six years ago) link
Yam is going to trap Schumer in carbomite at the end of the speech tonight
The memo affair seems like a fun popcorn munch to me (Dems will surely leak their memo at some point)
qualmsley not only all in on Olbermannesque paranoia but quoted the year's most overrated movie
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 12:36 (six years ago) link
Maybe Trump will successfully halt the investigation. He’s very sloppy and careless and dumb but he seems also to get away with anything he wants.
― treeship 2, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 12:39 (six years ago) link
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 12:39 (six years ago) link
in addition to all that the revelation that the Kochs are going to funnel insane amounts of their newfound tax cut cash into the RNC this year seems like a bad omen
― frogbs, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 12:46 (six years ago) link
NYTimes headline: "Supporters Fear Trump’s Speech Will Lack the Edge They Love."My headline: shut the fuck up
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 12:48 (six years ago) link
Has the NYTimes gone senile?
― "Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 12:49 (six years ago) link
No, it's a Trump supporting paper
― But doctor, I am Camille Paglia (Bananaman Begins), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 12:50 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 12:51 (six years ago) link
lol not that the one excludes the other, quite the reverse
― But doctor, I am Camille Paglia (Bananaman Begins), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 12:51 (six years ago) link
It's just a bad look all around for the media (not just the Times) to propagate the preemptive charm offensive line that the speech will be more nicer and more inclusive, it's even worse to write a preemptive story about hardliners being disappointed it's not meaner. Because in either case, who the fuck cares? He'll tweet something shitty within hours.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 12:53 (six years ago) link
yea I'm getting ready for all the shit "is this the Trump we were hoping for?" takes by the likes of Fareed and Cilizza
New York Times is absolutely awful, they don't even try to hide their biases anymore
― frogbs, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 12:55 (six years ago) link
It's not that they're "biased" -- every paper is. But the editors write headlines and assign stories that want to be clicked on by rural voters (who won't read the NYT anyway).
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 12:57 (six years ago) link
IDK throwing in some different form of "lets give the white supremacists a platform" every week while virtually ignoring those who dislike the president or are hurt by his policies feels a bit like a bias to me
― frogbs, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 12:58 (six years ago) link
Whetstones, getcher whetstones here, perfect for sharpening those dull gilly blades, whetstones, getcher whetstones...
― Senior Soft-Serve Tech at the Froyo Arroyo (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 12:59 (six years ago) link
They're liberals biased toward people in power, i.e. Clinton types who nevertheless loathe HRC.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 12:59 (six years ago) link
People should stop breathlessly reporting on Trump’s communications strategy. For one, it’s just a mess because they don’t know what they’re really doing. And also he fucking lives for this shit and it just draws everyone further into his, like, abusive narcissistic orbit.
― treeship 2, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 13:00 (six years ago) link
He loves jerking everyone around by toning down his rhetoric for a day, eliciting sighs of relief and hope from moderates, and then snapping back with something crazy. Tension and release. It’s all bullshit and he’s doing it just because it’s fun for him.
― treeship 2, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 13:05 (six years ago) link
treeeship II otmfm
― claude rains down in africa (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 13:09 (six years ago) link
The ludic aspect of the Trump presidency
― But doctor, I am Camille Paglia (Bananaman Begins), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 13:10 (six years ago) link
so you're saying trump is into edging and breathplay
― your skeleton is ready to hatch (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 13:29 (six years ago) link
is that from the dossier?
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 13:31 (six years ago) link
*check notes*
yeah
― your skeleton is ready to hatch (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 13:32 (six years ago) link
Didn't one of you post a link to that reporter who had a story spiked because she profiled Trump supporters in Los Angeles and Staten Island, but the editors wanted another rural diner piece? Her hypothesis is that the editors of these pieces think they know and understand Republican elites. They golf with them, dine with them, vacation with them. But uneducated rural racists? They're weird and strange and unfamiliar and therefore must be explored in greater depth.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 14:10 (six years ago) link
There were Trump signs in the norman rockwell-as-fuck affluent new jersey town I grew up in (where Trump nevertheless lost). His base of support was never exotic
― treeship 2, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 14:38 (six years ago) link
'omg are there racists in America? Surely we must send someone out to search for this exotic creature, who without a doubt lives as far away and is as different from me in every way as can possibly be'
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 14:42 (six years ago) link
dr. m the year's most overrated movie is war for the planet of the apes
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 14:50 (six years ago) link
what's stupider, wearing a t-shirt that says "bitcoin millionaire" or paying donald trump money to be on the proscription list of trump's inevitable successor?
also propose we just outright start substituting "end of 'the last jedi'" for "end of 'empire strikes back'" in star wars analogies going forward, thanks
― Arnold Schoenberg Steals (rushomancy), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 15:12 (six years ago) link
I still haven't seen Last Jedi yet so pls no spoilers
― "Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 15:15 (six years ago) link
Dumbledore's gay
― claude rains down in africa (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 15:31 (six years ago) link
So I know we're operating in a post-logic world, but I'm just trying, for my own edification, to lay out this 'memo' situation in a way that makes sense. A completely partisan Congressional committee, headed by someone who's all the way up Trump's ass, argues that Mueller's independent investigation is in actuality a partisan witch hunt, and we're supposed to lend their findings more credence than the findings of the entire intelligence community. Is that about right?
― Senior Soft-Serve Tech at the Froyo Arroyo (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 16:18 (six years ago) link
it's 2018, all sources are equal. That's democracy!
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 16:20 (six years ago) link
Oh, and the credence of their findings is based on tin hat deep state rogue FBI conspiracy theory shit. Can't forget that part.
― Senior Soft-Serve Tech at the Froyo Arroyo (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 16:20 (six years ago) link
lunatics, asylum etc
― your skeleton is ready to hatch (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 16:21 (six years ago) link
Paul Ryan urged the release of the memo but also urged his folks that it should be treated separately from the Mueller probe (underlying message = "we can't use this to shut down the probe").
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 16:23 (six years ago) link
The whole purpose is simply to provide just enough cover to justify firing whoever needs to be fired in order to derail or end the investigation.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 16:24 (six years ago) link
They're setting up something to remove the threat of Mueller's investigation, and have figured out it doesn't need to make any real sense... if the New York Times will still give you the benefit of the doubt when you are transparently full of shit, why try harder?
I only wonder if the intelligence agencies care enough to burn the Republicans for making them the bad guys in this. Democrats and the media are entirely useless as usual.
― erry red flag (f. hazel), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 16:24 (six years ago) link
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/01/even-if-trump-is-found-guilty-mueller-wouldnt-be-the-indictment-decision-maker/551753/
― "Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 16:25 (six years ago) link
if only
― Simon H., Tuesday, 30 January 2018 16:26 (six years ago) link
Funny how this madness will necessitate an actual Deep State to do the job of the imagined one
― Pumpkin Soup and Mandy Patinkin (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 16:43 (six years ago) link
I only wonder if the intelligence agencies care enough to burn the Republicans for making them the bad guys in this. Democrats and the media are entirely useless as usual. I have to think eventually the purge and cowing will be complete for intelligence to simply ask “how high”, isnt that how Putin gets it done with FSB? I mean oppo journos or plutos can be merked but i imagine intel lines up.
― Hunt3r, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 16:45 (six years ago) link
From that Atlantic article. Why would we draw this conclusion?
”Indeed, in many ways, the sheer numerosity and blatantness of the president’s interventions suggests that he really is sincere in thinking that he did nothing wrong. Were he truly concerned about the criminality of his former actions, he might well have been more cautious in so openly attempting to subvert the investigation.”
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 16:48 (six years ago) link
pathological liars believe their own lies
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 16:49 (six years ago) link
^
― (the blues version in his Broadway show) (crüt), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 16:51 (six years ago) link
lazy, lazy
The striking similarity between a newly-released Treasury Department report of Russian oligarchs and a 2017 list of wealthy Russians published in Forbes Magazine is no coincidence. On Tuesday, a Treasury Department spokesperson confirmed to BuzzFeed News that the unclassified annex of the report was derived from Forbes’ ranking of the “200 richest businessmen in Russia 2017.”
The revelation is likely to invite criticisms of the thoroughness of the Treasury Department’s report and reinforce the notion that the list is primarily a who’s who of Russian elite rather than an official accounting of Kremlin-linked political corruption as some US lawmakers intended. Congress mandated the report in a law President Trump grudgingly signed in August. At the time, the president called the legislation “seriously flawed.”
https://www.buzzfeed.com/johnhudson/trump-administration-admits-it-cribbed-forbes-magazine-to
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 16:51 (six years ago) link
xp What incredible bullshit, like this guy hasn't made a career out of going to court. He knows perfectly well what the law is, for Christ's sake he's been surrounded by lawyers telling him as much. What an infuriating narrative, I guess we'll need to get used to it
― Pumpkin Soup and Mandy Patinkin (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 16:53 (six years ago) link
christ on a crutch does anyone know how to do their fucking jobs xp
― your skeleton is ready to hatch (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 16:53 (six years ago) link
I'm catching up from a couple of days ago, but this is really a brilliant idea, I think:
― Arnold Schoenberg Steals (rushomancy), Sunday, January 28, 2018 4:59 PM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I honestly think pollsters could leverage the degree to which people lie about their past voting behavior (by comparing actual results to aggregated voter self-reported results) in order to allow for better prediction of future elections. This would be different from exit polls in that it would be conducted on an ongoing basis. Actually, now that I think about it, is this already done but not widely reported?
― Dan I., Tuesday, 30 January 2018 16:56 (six years ago) link
The idea being not just that self-reported past voting behavior would vary with the current popularity of a politician, but also that people who will vote for some candidates (e.g. Trump) are more likely to lie about their past and future votes than others
― Dan I., Tuesday, 30 January 2018 16:58 (six years ago) link
“You can tell Trump believes he’s innocent because of all of the stuff he’s trying to hide.”
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 17:01 (six years ago) link
Interesting quote from Axios:
What I’m hearing: One source, who knows Trump as well as anyone, told me he believes the president would be incapable of avoiding perjuring himself. “Trump doesn’t deal in reality,” the source said. “He creates his own reality and he actually believes it.” (The president’s attorney, Ty Cobb, did not respond to a request for comment.)
― grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 17:02 (six years ago) link
xps, the related list of the 'Kremlin elite' or whatever they're calling it is again just a copy and paste job from the Russian government's website with three names (of people they presumably don't mind) taken off. They didn't even change the order of the names.
― Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 17:03 (six years ago) link
the endpoint of this Mueller investigation is gonna be
1) Trump & his entire administration all found guilty of obstruction + borderline treason + numerous financial crimes2) the GOP spends weeks talking about how it's actually fine for a sitting President to do that, and the real story is in fact3) Hillary Clinton, Uranium, and Unmasking, leading to the formation of a special council which will only disband upon the death of every remaining Clinton, meanwhile4) Trump drops the N-word during an interview 5) his approval rating finally hits 40%
― frogbs, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 17:13 (six years ago) link
^^^ yup, I can see all of this happening.
― Supporters Fear Dan's Post Will Lack The Edge They Love (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 17:15 (six years ago) link
i agree with that except you forgot that time Bill Clinton and Loretta Lynch talked in an airplane parking lot.
― omar little, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 17:18 (six years ago) link
about what? SEE #3!
thread: "Basically everything inside Russia is already sanctioned"
Unpopular Russia opinion alert: I'm not surprised at all re no defense/intel sanx, and I'm not sure any sanx were appropriate. And it's not like I'm a Kremlin sympathizer; I helped write and push the 2014 sanx, and I wrote last week on deterring Russian hacking w sanx. 1/— Brian O'Toole (@brianoftoole) January 30, 2018
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 17:28 (six years ago) link
Yep, that's the key thing. aiui, the sticking point isn't who you sanction in Russia (in the sense of cutting them off from international banks, making it illegal for US companies to work with them, etc - which Obama already did), it's the US hypothetically setting up a unilateral system of penalties for countries buying weapons from Russia - which would include a bunch of major strategic allies.
The US continues to sanction individuals and businesses (and added another 30 to the list recently iirc) but if the people drafting this bill ever intended it to be implemented, it would have probably looked very different. Republicans got bipartisan support on Iran sanctions, Democrats got a stick to beat Trump with when he inevitably failed to implement parts of the Russia ones.
― Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 17:35 (six years ago) link
what do you know
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/30/trump-russia-collusion-fbi-cody-shearer-memo?CMP=edit_2221
Among other things, both documents allege Donald Trump was compromised during a 2013 trip to Moscow that involved lewd acts in a five-star hotel.
― frogbs, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 17:57 (six years ago) link
Shout out to Trump’s speechwriters who are preparing for tonight’s State of the Union by accepting that none of their stuff will be used.— Mike Lawrence (@TheMikeLawrence) January 30, 2018
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 17:58 (six years ago) link
he's going to read it from the teleprompter. he's going to do an ok job. he will be as presidential as he can be.
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 18:00 (six years ago) link
can't wait to see how many idiot journalists will be fooled by this new and improved prompter Trump
― frogbs, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 18:01 (six years ago) link
or, if he goes off script, he'll say something awful, and none of it will matter, 1.5% of undecided voters will decide they've had enough of him, and then next week they'll decide that they can take a little bit more
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 18:02 (six years ago) link
http://news.gallup.com/poll/226454/trump-approval-highest-west-virginia-lowest-vermont.aspx
― while my dirk gently weeps (symsymsym), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 18:23 (six years ago) link
If Trump paying off a porn star isn't particularly compromising, then what could the threat of revealing lewd acts in five star hotels hold over him? Russia would have more sway threatening to reveal financial funny business.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 18:29 (six years ago) link
xpost Does that mean we can expect to lose Manchin?
a-fuckin-men xp
I'm so bo-o-ored with the dos-si-er
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 18:30 (six years ago) link
Trump to make “eye opening” remarks on North Korea at tonight’s State of the Union, I’m told. He will talk about North Korean nuclear threat in a "strong and serious way,” a source familiar with the speech says.— Jim Acosta (@Acosta) January 30, 2018
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 18:32 (six years ago) link
"we begin bombing in five minutes"
― sleeve, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 18:33 (six years ago) link
re: gallup. His approval was even slightly underwater in a few surprising states, like Mississippi and South Carolina, but only by a couple of percentage points.
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 18:34 (six years ago) link
Clearly there are plenty of things he considered compromising, including the porn star. He wouldn't have paid her off otherwise. I think Trump didn't realize that there'd just be zero consequences for his worst actions.
xps
― Moodles, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 18:35 (six years ago) link
i have no stomach for any more of this shit tbh . none of it matters , see you all in the midterm thread .
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 18:35 (six years ago) link
^^good approach
― Simon H., Tuesday, 30 January 2018 18:37 (six years ago) link
Put another way, it is complete legit to believe both that many of Trump's heinous acts have not had the consequences you would expect and that the Russians have some kind of leverage over him. One doesn't cancel out the other.
more xps
― Moodles, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 18:38 (six years ago) link
He will talk about North Korean nuclear threat in a "strong and serious way,”
This is straight up pandering to an issue they know they can 'win', because it can be cast in binary terms with the USA as the innocent, strong good guy and DPRK as the evil threat. "Eye-opening" is also a reaction to a powerful fear, and powerful fear is also "mind-closing".
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 18:39 (six years ago) link
"do you ever use trump tweets as an 'eye opener'?"
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 18:40 (six years ago) link
Apparently, the new line on McCabe is that he was forced out due to his mishandling of the Clinton email server investigation, not unlike the excuse made re: Comey.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 18:43 (six years ago) link
The world revolves around Trump, but Trump still revolves around Hillary.
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 18:47 (six years ago) link
I believe in the sold his soul to Satan hypothesis because I’ve never seen someone get away with this much stuff.
― treeship 2, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 18:47 (six years ago) link
oh cool
Today, Congressman Paul Gosar contacted the U.S. Capitol Police, as well as Attorney General Jeff Sessions, asking they consider checking identification of all attending the State of the Union address and arresting any illegal aliens in attendance.— Rep. Paul Gosar, DDS (@RepGosar) January 30, 2018
― frogbs, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 19:18 (six years ago) link
AG Sessions standing at the door checking IDs. please please please let this happen.
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 19:26 (six years ago) link
Paul thinks it would be so frickin hot if a scene from his favorite dystopia-porn smut film played out for real.
― Evan, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 19:30 (six years ago) link
Gosar then giddily took to Twitter to announce to everyone that he did it.
― jmm, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 19:31 (six years ago) link
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/trump-wants-to-prosecute-mueller
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 19:54 (six years ago) link
haha he 100 percent hopes a 9/11 happens soon https://t.co/aCu7MdI5sX— slackbot (@pareene) January 30, 2018
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 19:58 (six years ago) link
Only seven more years of this. pic.twitter.com/4e22CYN29K— Will Sloan (@WillSloanEsq) January 30, 2018
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 20:25 (six years ago) link
xp what the fucking fuck
― Pumpkin Soup and Mandy Patinkin (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 20:30 (six years ago) link
What if, God forbid, somebody were to throw a brick through your window? Now we wouldn't want that to happen, would we?
― Pumpkin Soup and Mandy Patinkin (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 20:40 (six years ago) link
the obama crash?
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/30/us-stock-futures-dow-data-earnings-and-politics-on-the-agenda.html
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 21:24 (six years ago) link
I can't follow the plot anymore https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/internal-justice-department-probe-eyes-mccabes-role-in-final-weeks-of-2016-election/2018/01/30/db2ea8f0-05c7-11e8-8777-2a059f168dd2_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_mccabe-420p%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.5b9fdf1081a6
― "Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 21:42 (six years ago) link
Yep, people are starting to realize the bull market is getting rather long in the tooth.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 21:49 (six years ago) link
I’m not doing the research but 99% chance that Oswalt nonsense is the result of someone specifically asking him if Trump should see the movie and he said sure
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 21:53 (six years ago) link
i know it doesn't matter but i will take any opportunity to post videos of scott pruitt squirming
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQUAwm6xQT4
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 22:08 (six years ago) link
too bad whitehouse blew his potential Viral Moment of the Day! by accidentally triggering a voice recording of something about hubris, when it seems that he meant to cap off his viral moment with the audio recording of pruitt saying what he said.
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 22:10 (six years ago) link
by accidentally triggering a voice recording of something about hubris
i know this is way too charitable to sen. whitehouse, but we can't discount the possibility that he did it on purpose and was trying to make a very meta artistic statement
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 22:12 (six years ago) link
"If we're giving free water and food, that means that families are not going to supermarkets to buy. It is affecting the economy of Puerto Rico. So we need to create a balance."Meanwhile: the gov't reports that nearly a 3rd of PR still lack electricity.https://t.co/ajq3NRUdHL— ProPublica (@ProPublica) January 30, 2018
America is cool
― frogbs, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 22:18 (six years ago) link
cool to starvation
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 22:21 (six years ago) link
Problem with the stock market as any sort of useful metric right now is that it is so wildly overvalued that it can afford to fall down several hundred points and still be astronomically high.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 22:30 (six years ago) link
”If we're giving free water and food, that means that families are not going to supermarkets to buy. It is affecting the economy of Puerto Rico. So we need to create a balance."
― your skeleton is ready to hatch (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 22:34 (six years ago) link
what a fucking garbage country this is
― Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 23:04 (six years ago) link
great post frogbs (a ways back) but I am afraid that this bit:
the formation of a special council which will only disband upon the death of every remaining Clinton
...seriously underestimates the lifespan of anti-Clinton sentiment.
― claude rains down in africa (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 30 January 2018 23:18 (six years ago) link
if the piss tape doesn't exist surely someone in the deep state is busy using our government funded science to make a fraudulent one soon, right? RIGHT? PLEASE?
― akm, Tuesday, 30 January 2018 23:50 (six years ago) link
Look at it this way: based upon what you know of the man, do you think the odds favor the existence or the nonexistence of a piss tape?
― Senior Soft-Serve Tech at the Froyo Arroyo (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 00:04 (six years ago) link
Who fucking cares about that bullshit. We learned he cheated on his wife with Stormy Daniels and no one even blinked. They’d have to prove that he knew of it and Russia was holding it over his head for it to mean anything.
― treeship 2, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 00:07 (six years ago) link
lol hes probably peeing all over himselff like MMM THIS IS SOME GOOD PEE can't wait xp
― sleepingbag, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 00:09 (six years ago) link
He walked in on underage girls in a dressing room and bragged about it on Howard Stern. That’s worse than hiring prostitutes. Not to mention the horrifying account his first wife gave in the divorce deposition, which she never fully recanted.
He is scum and a gangster and none of it matters. Any actor would have had their show pulled for any one of these things.
― treeship 2, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 00:10 (six years ago) link
Stfu xpost
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 00:13 (six years ago) link
Nothing is going to happen to him.
― treeship 2, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 00:13 (six years ago) link
are you not excited for donalt trump piss tape neanderthal? what is wrong with you? here we like piss tape
― sleepingbag, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 00:13 (six years ago) link
Why do you still hang out here?
― treeship 2, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 00:14 (six years ago) link
I want more contrarians but you’re so obnoxious and don’t even have allies on the boards.
― treeship 2, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 00:15 (six years ago) link
what kind of contrarian would you like treeship
― sleepingbag, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 00:16 (six years ago) link
A better one
― treeship 2, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 00:17 (six years ago) link
nakhchivan
i like sleepingbag, i am sleepingbag's ally
― the late great, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 00:20 (six years ago) link
ppl on these threads for over a year now salivating over, unquenchably thirsty for a 'donald trump pee tape'... i'm not really sure if that's fixable through rational argument exactly
xp thank you, likewise
― sleepingbag, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 00:23 (six years ago) link
Pee tape is just a placeholder, really. Name a debased act and chances are better that Trump has engaged in it than that he has not. And, no, I don't think it makes any practical difference. The only chance the country had to survive the car crash of his election was to not steer into it, and welp.
― Senior Soft-Serve Tech at the Froyo Arroyo (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 00:24 (six years ago) link
I want Trump to choke on his own vomit for the next 35 years
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 00:31 (six years ago) link
Problem with the stock market as any sort of useful metric right now is that it is so wildly overvalued that it can afford to fall down several hundred points and still be astronomically high.― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, January 30, 2018 10:30 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, January 30, 2018 10:30 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I'm having flashbacks of rooting for a stock market crash during the bush administration (then it actually happened. sorry everyone)
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 00:37 (six years ago) link
Only neocons were shocked by it tbf
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 00:38 (six years ago) link
banking on the pee tape is like banking on an Alzheimer's diagnosis, it's empty wishful thinking. Like hoping Rick Wilson's twitter would win Hillary the White House.
― omar little, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 01:37 (six years ago) link
My prediction: if he gets impeached it will be because of his polling and the midterms and the general air of febrile ineptness getting through to “independents” and “moderates” but the actual legal case will be this sanction stuff and nothing to do with what mueller finds.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 01:45 (six years ago) link
Piss tape is absolutely real
― frogbs, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 01:48 (six years ago) link
I don't believe in the pee tape, but even if it's real why would it ever come to light? The Russians have their man in the White House, why would they want to jeopardise that?
― Zelda Zonk, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 02:03 (six years ago) link
what do you do with your man once he's no longer useful (eg when he's about to be impeached)? you instantly turn on him, share whatever shit you have on him and watch the country tear itself apart. i imagine they're just waiting for that shift in balance between trump being useful to them to no longer being useful. when he's done, you trigger the time bomb
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 02:10 (six years ago) link
if the pee tape is real, it just shows him chortling while ordering women to piss on a bed that Barack and Michelle Obama once slept in. this is not going to damage his standing with either MAGA doofuses or the Republican party.
― Haribo Hancock (sic), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 02:12 (six years ago) link
― treeship 2, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 02:22 (six years ago) link
https://apnews.com/95c0de495cda4636ba94b8ad2976430a/Amid-publicity-tour,-porn-star-denies-affair-with-Trump?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP
jet fuel can't something something
― j., Wednesday, 31 January 2018 02:34 (six years ago) link
Wtf
― treeship 2, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 02:35 (six years ago) link
they got to her
― j., Wednesday, 31 January 2018 02:35 (six years ago) link
trump just said that he is making reducing the prices of prescription drugs one of his "top priorities of the year"
then he said that prescription prices "will drop - watch", as the audience muttered with audible doubt
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 02:43 (six years ago) link
say what you will about this guy, he actually made his hair into a cap, kudos
― Pumpkin Soup and Mandy Patinkin (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 02:44 (six years ago) link
hahahaha the cosmic trolling continues, this thing happening w/ the moon tonight is literally called THE BLUE-BLOOD ECLIPSE
― Pumpkin Soup and Mandy Patinkin (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 02:50 (six years ago) link
trump talks about the loss of lives that illegal immigrants have caused, democrats audibly groan. one second later, he pivots to a story of how two people were murdered by illegal immigrants, as the audience gives a standing ovation to the crying family members in the audience.
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 02:51 (six years ago) link
the tradition of exploiting people who have suffered immensely for the purpose of political gain stands stronger than ever
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 02:52 (six years ago) link
This exploitation of people's tragedies in a political speech has got to stop.— Elizabeth Drew (@ElizabethDrewOH) January 31, 2018
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 02:54 (six years ago) link
"americans are dreamers too"
wow.
everyone stood up to applaud that one
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 02:56 (six years ago) link
what if you drank every time he said MS-13
― Clay, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 02:57 (six years ago) link
he's going to win in 2020 and we'll all still be here pulling our fucking hair out
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 02:58 (six years ago) link
"My duty and the sacred duty of every elected official in this chamber, is to defend Americans. To protect their safety, their families, their communities and their right to the American dream. Because Americans are dreamers too." This is the sort of rhetoric expected from the president who said there were beautiful people On Both Sides of the Charlottesville protests; from the sort of toad you meet on social media who claims that blacks are racists too.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 02:58 (six years ago) link
Second reaction shot of Mitch McConnell, bored and not applauding and thinking of his endangered majority.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 03:02 (six years ago) link
I’m calling it. #coreybookerface is a thing now. @benshapiro @scrowder @chicksonright @EWErickson pic.twitter.com/LTUCNgUiFQ— Kendall Cameron (@kn_cameron) January 31, 2018
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 03:03 (six years ago) link
The Rev Dr Barber is speaking tonight, for those who’d like a worthwhile speech:
Tune in! @RevDrBarber joins us on #RolandMartinUnfiltered: The Real State Of Our Union. Watch live: #YouTube https://t.co/tQmyuvEOa2 #Periscope https://t.co/KyIoDjuR6F #RolandMartinUnfiltered #SOTU #SOTUBoycott #StateOfTheUnion #StateOfTheUnionBoycott pic.twitter.com/Qo4fQoGZCk— Roland Reports (@RolandReports) January 31, 2018
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 03:06 (six years ago) link
just signed an EO to keep guantanamo open
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 03:15 (six years ago) link
just before that, btw, while talking about terrorists he said we had duty "to annihilate them", and that "they should be treated like the terrorists they are"
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 03:16 (six years ago) link
we learned nothing from iraqwe learned nothing from 9/11we learned nothing from vietnam
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 03:17 (six years ago) link
He’s threatening countiries with withdrawing aid if they don’t vote the way he wants at the UN wrt Israel? Is there a precedent for this? (Stating it so directly that is)
― treeship 2, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 03:20 (six years ago) link
This speech represents the presidential performance that Trump observers have been waiting for – brilliant mix of numbers and stories, humility and aggressiveness, traditional conservatism and political populism.Only one word qualifies: Wow. #SOTU— Frank Luntz (@FrankLuntz) January 31, 2018
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 03:28 (six years ago) link
wow, the USA chant
― jmm, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 03:29 (six years ago) link
get ready to read a lot of takes like that. the fucked up things that underly the text are getting lost in these insanely emotional stories of tragedy (almost always inflicted by a foreign person)
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 03:29 (six years ago) link
longest SOTU since 1995, second-longest in 50 years
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 03:36 (six years ago) link
prescription prices "will drop - watch"
...in an initiative to be headed up by my new FDA Commissioner Martin Shkreli...
― claude rains down in africa (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 03:40 (six years ago) link
luntz is a right winger, no?
― the late great, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 03:46 (six years ago) link
he's the top of class GOP messaging guru advice god
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 03:47 (six years ago) link
so ... did you expect anything else?
― the late great, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 03:53 (six years ago) link
I think the Kennedys need to work on bringing in some genetic diversity.
― louise ck (milo z), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 03:55 (six years ago) link
nope. but i expect to see a lot of takes like his - "This speech represents the presidential performance that Trump observers have been waiting for", not just among the right wing media but the rest as well. it's going to be nauseating
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 03:57 (six years ago) link
Why is this Kennedy doing the rebuttal and not like Elizabeth Warren or Kamala Harris
― treeship 2, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 04:01 (six years ago) link
Someone who is an adult
bc you don't waste good (useful) people on this shit
― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 04:03 (six years ago) link
never send your serious candidates for the SOTU followup i guess? xp lol
― Men's Scarehouse - "You're gonna like the way you're shook." (m bison), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 04:04 (six years ago) link
the presidential performance
description otm.
any speech is a performance to an audience. it has little connection to overall job performance, other than that part of the job of being president is performative (the bully pulpit). no matter how many cheers Trump evoked tonight, his job performance has been pretty shitty. that won't change, because he won't change. tomorrow it will all look as it did yesterday, other than a bunch of newspaper stories about this speech, with varying degrees of unmerited flattery.
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 04:08 (six years ago) link
This was also a sleazy, manipulative speech that involved dark insinuations about North Korea and him taking sole credit for every positive trend in the economy.
― treeship 2, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 04:22 (six years ago) link
It wasn’t presidential
https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/opinions/trumps-solution-to-americas-crisis-nationalism/2018/01/30/db5f15f4-062f-11e8-94e8-e8b8600ade23_story.html
― Simon H., Wednesday, 31 January 2018 04:28 (six years ago) link
only watched like 5 minutes but he sounded pilled out
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 05:03 (six years ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/30/state-of-the-union-fact-check-trumps-address-analyzed
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 05:11 (six years ago) link
The #SOTU speech is really boring, slow, lethargic - very hard to watch!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 13, 2016
― Acanthonus armatus (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 05:49 (six years ago) link
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/01/30/fact-checking-the-2018-state-of-the-union-address/?utm_term=.0b8891946c8f
Some of the same items as that Guardian one.
many dubious facts and figures. Many of these claims have been fact-checked repeatedly, yet the president persists in using them.
Here is a guide to 18 claims, in the order in which Trump made them
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 06:21 (six years ago) link
Many of these claims have been fact-checked repeatedly, yet the president persists in using them.
Here is a guide to 18 claims,
https://media.giphy.com/media/Dxb9vPUbXyYX6/giphy_s.gif
― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 06:34 (six years ago) link
Are the Democrats attractive enough to get people motivated to vote for them in a way other than not being Trump.I thought one major factor in 2016 was apathy in getting people out to vote. Knowing that the Republican base is actually going to show up to actively vote, but staying home and thinking the vote would be carried the way it should be anyway.
Hoping the outrageous awfulness is enough motivation in itself is probably not enough. Do the Dems have enough of a pull factor.
― Stevolende, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 08:41 (six years ago) link
Man, the state of the union amirite?
"“one American family."
Think the fact checkers missed this one.
― ♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 08:45 (six years ago) link
https://d2ffutrenqvap3.cloudfront.net/items/1m3Y0j0D0U3V1C061606/Are%20We.jpg
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 12:07 (six years ago) link
xxp AFAIK the Dems' whole platform is just "we're the adults in the room, who else are you going to vote for?" In other words they're still on their boss-level tepid uninspired bullshit that captures none of the zeitgeist, pretty much across the board. I still couldn't name a single exciting voice in the party except for Bernie, who's actually a democratic socialist. It's really fucking depressing.
― davey, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 12:46 (six years ago) link
Warren. Anyone could be an exciting voice by directly addressing the rampant inequality of all forms in our society and how it is enabled by the inappropriate influence of corporate power over policy. It’s really a one weird trick kind of situation.
― treeship 2, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 12:50 (six years ago) link
It’s important to remain disgusted by Trump and the norms he is ripping apart but that can’t be the center of the message. For one, Trump isn’t the root cause of any of Ameica’s ills. He was only able to be elected because our politics had become profoundly stupid to begin with.
― treeship 2, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 12:52 (six years ago) link
I agree with that
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 12:55 (six years ago) link
jersey strong
http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2018/01/what_jersey_thinks_of_president_trump.html
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 13:10 (six years ago) link
so what you're saying is, Ironstache for President
― frogbs, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 13:13 (six years ago) link
I find the whole "it's fine that they put a wetmouthed loser kid up to do the SOTU response cause it doesn't matter and it's always lame" argument hilarious and telling. I submit that maybe if you have the attention of a shit-ton of people you should endeavor to rise above expectations?
― Simon H., Wednesday, 31 January 2018 14:06 (six years ago) link
Ehhh, if you make the mistake of raising expectations, people then expect you to live up to them. Which is haaaaaard, and booooooring, uggghhhh.
― Senior Soft-Serve Tech at the Froyo Arroyo (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 14:14 (six years ago) link
Quite a few people I know earnestly believe the Dem establishment doesn't really want to win and it's getting harder to argue with them
― Simon H., Wednesday, 31 January 2018 14:18 (six years ago) link
otoh Bernie can go get fucked
I am strongly supportive of sanctions on Russia and North Korea. However, I worry very much about President Trump’s approach to Iran.— Bernie Sanders (@SenSanders) July 27, 2017
― Simon H., Wednesday, 31 January 2018 14:20 (six years ago) link
Unfortunate because sanctions only really hurt the people, not the aristocracy, yes? I only have a vague sense of how that works, but so I've heard
― davey, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 14:24 (six years ago) link
That, but mainly (for me) the whole needless antagonizing thing
― Simon H., Wednesday, 31 January 2018 14:38 (six years ago) link
who/what is he antagonizing?
― Pumpkin Soup and Mandy Patinkin (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 15:28 (six years ago) link
The states he mentioned. the rhetorical dick-measuring accomplishes nothing ("strongly supportive," oh fuck off) and is the last thing you need to counter an administration that's fond of saber rattling. just leave the subject alone or, heaven forbid, maybe express some solidarity or actual human interest with the citizens of those nations. (I don't actually expect that from bernie at all, but it would be nice.)
― Simon H., Wednesday, 31 January 2018 15:43 (six years ago) link
https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/31/health/cdc-director-fitzgerald-resigns-bn/index.htmlCDC director had financial interest in tobacco industry... and had to resign for it???! outrageous!clearly the #deepstate #swamp has not been #drained. i hope the president launches an immediate investigation into how this got #leaked.
― Righteous wax chaperone, rotating Wingdings (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 15:53 (six years ago) link
xp I don't think advocating sanctions on Russia given the context is inflammatory.
I infer from the rest that he disapproves of the president's warmongering on NKorea (sanctions will do) and his bluster about scrapping the Iran nuclear deal?
― Pumpkin Soup and Mandy Patinkin (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 15:54 (six years ago) link
Great that the media coverage of the “Dean Scream” defines how we readily look at everything now.
“they put a wet mouthed loser kid up to to the SOTU response...”
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 16:00 (six years ago) link
"settling" for / compromising down to sanctions as an alternative to outright warmongering is weak tea garbage and he consistently misses opportunities to put forward a truly alternative vision of foreign policy, something he's better placed than anyone else to do
― Simon H., Wednesday, 31 January 2018 16:00 (six years ago) link
NP are you implying JK does not fit that description
― Simon H., Wednesday, 31 January 2018 16:02 (six years ago) link
I'm frankly agog that a member of the Trump administration has stepped down over a conflict of interest rather than flipping the American public off as hard as she could. What universe are we in again?
― Senior Soft-Serve Tech at the Froyo Arroyo (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 16:08 (six years ago) link
Well I think we have everything summarized nicely here
House GOP aide tells me the train carrying members to the GOP retreat hit a garbage truck, and members are fine.But there could be potentially serious injuries to the people who were inside the truck, per the aide.— Haley Byrd (@byrdinator) January 31, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 16:47 (six years ago) link
Could be. We didn't really stop to check.
― Senior Soft-Serve Tech at the Froyo Arroyo (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 16:55 (six years ago) link
how could they distinguish the garbage truck from GOP members
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 16:57 (six years ago) link
ah there it is again - the queasy, vertiginous feeling that reality is being orchestrated by writers of terrible, obvious satire
― your skeleton is ready to hatch (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 16:59 (six years ago) link
Was the garbage truck on fire?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:00 (six years ago) link
some reports saying everyone is fine, some saying someone is dead.
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:10 (six years ago) link
twats on twitter calling it false flag, for some reason
― "Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:16 (six years ago) link
gowdy not running for reelection
There is a time to come and a time to go. This is the right time, for me, to leave politics and return to the justice system. Full statement here → pic.twitter.com/7I8AApqvs1— Trey Gowdy (@TGowdySC) January 31, 2018
― marcos, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:18 (six years ago) link
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, January 31, 2018 9:10 AM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
the former comes from the GOP, the latter from the civilian authorities maybe?
― omar little, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:19 (six years ago) link
Wonder what story about Gowdy is about to break xpost
― erry red flag (f. hazel), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:19 (six years ago) link
The book of Ecclesiastes teaches us there is a time and a season for all things
p sure that was the Byrds, dude
― "Taste's very strange!" (stevie), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:25 (six years ago) link
DEVELOPING: Train carrying GOP lawmakers to retreat collides with trash truck https://t.co/l1iAPNzniZ pic.twitter.com/E8YsuJV1uV— NBC News (@NBCNews) January 31, 2018
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:25 (six years ago) link
gowdy did 9/11 xp
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:25 (six years ago) link
On the day of the blue-blood eclipse, the GOP train literally collides with a trash truck.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:26 (six years ago) link
msnbc says one killed (and paul ryan unhurt)
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:26 (six years ago) link
I wonder what connection the truck drivers had to Clinton
― Evan, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:27 (six years ago) link
There is a time to come and a time to go. This is the right time, for me, to leave politics and return to the justice system.
I would like a lot more of them to return to the justice system, but probably not in the way he means.
― claude rains down in africa (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:29 (six years ago) link
Or maybe ... he's going to become the new AG. Or deputy AG. Or Head of the FBI.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:33 (six years ago) link
I understand the CDC is in need of a director who's willing to demonstrate an intransigent lack of concern toward the control of diseases.
― Senior Soft-Serve Tech at the Froyo Arroyo (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:47 (six years ago) link
What does thing bring the count to now? Of scaredy-cats?
― Pumpkin Soup and Mandy Patinkin (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:52 (six years ago) link
if Gowdy becomes AG or head of FBI I’m going to vomit
― the late great, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:54 (six years ago) link
that's true for me if he becomes anything other than "dead in a gasoline fire"
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:54 (six years ago) link
sounds like he is going to serve out his term though
― the late great, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:55 (six years ago) link
and a second one
― infinity (∞), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:58 (six years ago) link
he's apparently joining the newly created position "Lead Benghazi Inquisitor"
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 17:59 (six years ago) link
Paul Ryan was on the train apparently.
Unfortunately, he's ok.
or at least, as ok as he was before.
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 18:00 (six years ago) link
― Simon H., Wednesday, January 31, 2018 2:38 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I'm not sure I buy that antagonism of Russia or NK is "needless"
one's systematically & brazenly undermining representative democracies everywhere and the other is waving nukes around after two decades of the planet begging them not to seek nukes
sanctions won't make progress towards resolving these problems, but neither does pretending they don't exist. nor are they irrevocably war prelude.
fuckin idk
this timeline sucks
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 18:10 (six years ago) link
Feds will not retry Bob Menendez
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 18:14 (six years ago) link
if there really must be nukes in this world, N Korea should have some (as should Iran). but that's a debate for another thread lol
― Simon H., Wednesday, 31 January 2018 18:19 (six years ago) link
A seat on the Fourth Circuit Court, which covers South Carolina, became vacant just yesterday, and the current U.S. attorney in South Carolina is serving in an interim role
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/another-gop-chairman-to-retire-trey-gowdy-announces-hes-out
― Pumpkin Soup and Mandy Patinkin (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 18:22 (six years ago) link
That's an insane opinion, Simon...
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 18:23 (six years ago) link
xp no nukes for iran
― the late great, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 18:24 (six years ago) link
I've been after Sanders for not offering a different fp vision, but careful what you wish for, I guess. Yikes...
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 18:27 (six years ago) link
was russia "needlessly antagonizing" us when they fucked w/ our election? yeesh.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 18:28 (six years ago) link
iran's brand of revolutionary islam is extremely oppressive and shitty, and they really are supporters of terrorism
allowing them nukes would just prop up the current shitty regime and embolden them to build regional power, export their brand of islam, etc
not cool.
― the late great, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 18:30 (six years ago) link
(I don't think anyone should be handing out nukes or advocating for them - disarmament all the way. I just don't like the USA having a monopoly on or outsized comparative capacity for force.)
― Simon H., Wednesday, 31 January 2018 18:31 (six years ago) link
the USA aren't supporters of terrorism? gimme a break.
Well well. The FBI has formally gone all out:
BREAKING: FBI on The Memo "we have grave concerns about material omissions of fact that fundamentally impact the memo’s accuracy.” pic.twitter.com/ZAGWmu9o9o— Ryan J. Reilly 🦅 (@ryanjreilly) January 31, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 18:34 (six years ago) link
― Simon H., Wednesday, January 31, 2018 6:31 PM (one minute ago)
yeah cuz the world sure did get notably safer when the soviets got nuclear weapons, didn't it?
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 18:35 (six years ago) link
the USA may or may not be supporters of terrorism but why would you want more int'l supporters of terrorism?
― the late great, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 18:35 (six years ago) link
they are, and I don't want that, but an iran with nukes seems less likely to me to get nuked by the US at some point down the line than one that doesn't, and I'd much prefer no one got nuked tbh
― Simon H., Wednesday, 31 January 2018 18:38 (six years ago) link
Iran is in a different league of terrorist supporter than the US, more comparable to the Saudis, and no, the Saudis should not have nukes either. Which they absolutely would get if Iran got them.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 18:41 (six years ago) link
But there is in fact a thread for these types of questions, which is mostly used to discuss kleptocracy every half a year or so, but could def use a bump.
xp well i am not sure i agree w/ that and besides i think there are more effective ways to keep iran from being nuked w/ less unhappy side effects
― the late great, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 18:43 (six years ago) link
I'm open to persuasion, and yeah if there's another thread we can def go there but my searches turned up nothing definitive
― Simon H., Wednesday, 31 January 2018 18:44 (six years ago) link
America needs a new foreign policy
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 18:46 (six years ago) link
If we were all implanted with subcutaneous nukes at birth then no one would use nukes because if they did it would be a chain reaction of little nuclear explosions that would mutually-assured destroy all of us.
― Senior Soft-Serve Tech at the Froyo Arroyo (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 18:46 (six years ago) link
Simon, the most likely cause of nuclear war always has been and always will be tragic mistake or systems malfunction, the more countries have nukes the more likely that becomes
― bhad and bhabie (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 18:52 (six years ago) link
Re Trey Gowdy: the Hill article I read said that a judicial seat in the 4th Circuit court opened up the day before his announcement, so maybe that's his plan.
― grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 19:04 (six years ago) link
ums I replied to you in the other thread
in conclusion, Grey Towdy
― Simon H., Wednesday, 31 January 2018 19:05 (six years ago) link
bengowdy :(
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 19:06 (six years ago) link
On Tuesday, for the first time in 80 years, the Senate confirmed a judicial nominee over the objections of a home-state senator.
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/371453-senate-confirms-trump-nominee-despite-missing-blue-slip
― Pumpkin Soup and Mandy Patinkin (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 19:46 (six years ago) link
feels like we've hit some sort of inflection point, seems like the media is now focusing disproportionately on $5 bonus checks, Trump's "gentler, bipartisan" approach, and what could possibly be in the Nunes memo, while stories about him trying to fire Mueller and raw dogging porn stars have basically dropped out of the news cycle. Meanwhile his approval rating is ticking up, the GOP is within striking distance on the generic ballot, and everything seems to be set in place for full-on voter suppression for midterms, while the Dems just shamble along aimlessly, committing to nothing except "lol Trump bad". I'm uh...starting to get a bad feeling
― frogbs, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 20:12 (six years ago) link
Yeah, nascent totalitarianism will do that to a body.
― Senior Soft-Serve Tech at the Froyo Arroyo (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 20:14 (six years ago) link
I kinda understand where the media's coming from, tbf. Trump will probably only approve a limited number of state-run outlets so they need to start making their overtures now.
― Senior Soft-Serve Tech at the Froyo Arroyo (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 20:15 (six years ago) link
(In case it's unclear, I think we're nearing a point of no return, or rather a point where the only possibility of something resembling a return is a legitimate revolution.)
― Senior Soft-Serve Tech at the Froyo Arroyo (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 20:17 (six years ago) link
i love y'all but the news itself is depressing enough without doomsaying
i may be Too Tired for a revolution, down to die like a dog tho
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 20:25 (six years ago) link
^^^ yes, this, x1000
― sleeve, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 20:27 (six years ago) link
Oh, yeah, I'm over the revolution hill. Getting my affairs in order as we speak.
― Senior Soft-Serve Tech at the Froyo Arroyo (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 20:29 (six years ago) link
like we've got several people from the Trump admin already arrested and Ryan & the GOP's only response has been "investigate the FBI". even as the President steadfastly refuses to implement the sanctions Congress nearly unanimously voted for against the country he's been accused of colluding with. meanwhile the President's SOTU speech is 90% made up of GOP/White Nationalist talking points and he gets overwhelming praise for being "bipartisan". I uh...don't think we can go back to 2016 anymore
― frogbs, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 20:31 (six years ago) link
Like, do I think everyone in the US is going to be rounded up and genocided? No. Do I think life in the US has probably reached peak cushiness? Probably so.
― Senior Soft-Serve Tech at the Froyo Arroyo (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 20:31 (six years ago) link
this is why I enjoy the fact that DSA has an electoral plank but does a bunch of other outreach/serve the people/community-building shit as well - reform AND revolution, baby xxp
― Simon H., Wednesday, 31 January 2018 20:31 (six years ago) link
Yes, I think there's still a lot of positive and constructive energy to be expended locally. And I think it's going to be increasingly necessary in the years to come. If you need some hope and optimism, that's where to look for it. Nationally, things are just going to go further down the shitter.
― Senior Soft-Serve Tech at the Froyo Arroyo (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 20:33 (six years ago) link
If we were all implanted with subcutaneous nukes at birth then no one would use nukes because if they did it would be a chain reaction of little nuclear explosions that would mutually-assured destroy all of us.blockchain reaction
― Haribo Hancock (sic), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 20:37 (six years ago) link
the Dems just shamble along aimlessly
"advantaged- / privilegedly", parents tenured / stock owners // hey don't rock the boat of your inheritance // too bad "some people" are shafted ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 20:42 (six years ago) link
JUST IN: Congressional Budget Office has issued a report advising Congress to consider raising the debt ceiling earlier than anticipated to account for the revenue loss brought upon by the GOP tax legislation.— NBC Politics (@NBCPolitics) January 31, 2018
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 21:24 (six years ago) link
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 21:34 (six years ago) link
chuds: clearly the deep state trying to undermine trump's triumphs
GOP: "sure seems that way" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 21:38 (six years ago) link
don't worry they've got a plan to get it all back
The Trump administration is poised to ask Congress for deep cuts to funding in the Energy Department’s renewable energy and energy efficiency programs, slashing them by 72% in fiscal 2019, according to draft budget documents obtained by WaPo. https://t.co/AGCRYvYUkd— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) January 31, 2018
― frogbs, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 21:38 (six years ago) link
Sorry for the drivers family, but that is some next level irony with the GOP having a literal train wreck hitting a garbage truck. Proof positive that life is stranger than fiction.
― earlnash, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 21:39 (six years ago) link
BREAKING: Peter Strzok, the FBI agent accused by GOP of having "treasonous" anti-Trump bias, supported re-opening the Clinton email investigation in fall 2016 and helped write the letter (signed by Comey) that was released days before the election. https://t.co/RkOIkZ2x6W— Marshall Cohen (@MarshallCohen) January 31, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 21:40 (six years ago) link
thanatoids roam the red state plains
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 21:43 (six years ago) link
yeah but emails
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 21:44 (six years ago) link
we really are living in a machine learning simulation aren't we
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 21:44 (six years ago) link
god everything is so fucking dumb and terrible
― marcos, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 21:46 (six years ago) link
Can’t remember if we mentioned this here too but I’ve seen it expressed about the intense irony of people who worships all cops as troops wanting to purge the FBI.
Like it was a distinction born from only watching the cliche of 1,000 cop shows where the Feds show up to take over the case and get all the glory, like some Agents Johnson in Die Hard shit.
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 21:46 (six years ago) link
Also:
This profile of “blue-collar voters” looks at just one family, whose primary breadwinner is the chief of surgery at a hospital outside Pittsburgh. https://t.co/028Qh4Hv8Z— Seth Masket (@smotus) January 31, 2018
Donald Trump is still the man to these blue-collar voters https://t.co/H5MsYVOM1Y pic.twitter.com/8nynJkJz4h— New York Post (@nypost) January 31, 2018
Aaaand the actual article in the Opinion section:
https://nypost.com/2018/01/31/donald-trump-is-still-the-man-to-these-blue-collar-voters/
Donald Trump is still the man to this Pennsylvania home-[...]Both Tony, 54, and Michelle, 41, voted for Trump is 2016. Tony is a grandson of immigrants and a highly regarded chief of surgery at a suburban Pittsburgh hospital. Michelle went to Carnegie Mellon University, is a breast cancer survivor and director of operations at the Ripepi home, driving the kids to piano lessons, tennis and hockey games and practices while also helping with her husband’s practice.They are the upper-middle-class suburban voters who live in a blue-collar. upper-middle-class exurb whose vote most pollsters missed in their calculations on who would support Trump in 2016...
They are the upper-middle-class suburban voters who live in a blue-collar. upper-middle-class exurb whose vote most pollsters missed in their calculations on who would support Trump in 2016...
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 21:49 (six years ago) link
blue collar should not mean racist but
― droit au butt (Euler), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 21:51 (six years ago) link
director of operations at the Ripepi home
God I hate capitalism
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 21:55 (six years ago) link
lol otm
― sleeve, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 22:01 (six years ago) link
I think it’s more that, even at the NY Post, every editor/journo involved with a Trump Safari is so deeply embedded in believing and reinforcing the idea that “trump supporter” = white = rural = working class/bluecollar that exurban upper-middle class white folks get shoved into that category, too.
Again, it just seems emblematic of the complete inability of professional media folks to possibly comprehend that politics is something other than a set of behaviors and decorum and cultural leanings.
So they can’t handle the fact that they could share identities with someone who could think so differently that they have to cast the other as this most alien of things. Trump supporters _have_ to be this alien crowd living in the alien conditions of another state and another economic level.
And the problem is that media coverage is the only way most folks see the world, so these bullshit ideas infect the consumers of this shit who reinforce it thru posting complaints against Them.
(Yeah this shit ain’t new, cue the Gramsci/Althusser/DeBord/Jameson/Žižek)
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 22:10 (six years ago) link
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― Righteous wax chaperone, rotating Wingdings (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 22:16 (six years ago) link
i suspect the framing owes as much to flyover-country stereotyping as it does to trump-voter stereotyping. to the ny post, all of western pennsylvania is by definition blue collar
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 22:21 (six years ago) link
Nunes catches Dems by surprise by saying DOJ and FBI are under “investigation” by House Intel and should not be briefing them on the memo. “And I would urge my colleagues to vote no, we are not going to be briefed by people that are under investigation by this committee."— Manu Raju (@mkraju) January 31, 2018
feel like when the movie gets made Nunes is gonna be the most implausible character of all
― frogbs, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 22:29 (six years ago) link
An amusement
Some background on the lawyer who drafted the Nunes memo, Kash Patel: He got benchslapped with an "order of ineptitude" by a federal judge in Houston in February 2016 for wasting taxpayer money and being "one more nonessential employee from Washington" https://t.co/QsZ4LmgbJ6— Asha Rangappa (@AshaRangappa_) January 31, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 22:32 (six years ago) link
Ethnography reports of voters are just like reflections of reflections of reflections of abstractions; but like kingfish said, these stories influence how people see the world, strengthening tribal bonds and cartoonish ideas about the “other,” so reality becomes as stupid as journalism.
― treeship 2, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 22:33 (six years ago) link
How safe is his seat?
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 22:33 (six years ago) link
(Nunes)
The Post describes the courtroom incident as “a Texas-size bollocking over proper attire, wasting taxpayer money and spying for the bureaucrats in Washington.”The lawyer, Kashyap Patel, had arrived in court after flying to Houston from Tajikstan. “What is your role in this?” Hughes asked when Patel entered the courtroom. Patel responded that he was a member of the trial team.“You’re not a member of the trial team,” Hughes said. “It’s been going on for a month or so and you haven’t been here, have you?”
The lawyer, Kashyap Patel, had arrived in court after flying to Houston from Tajikstan. “What is your role in this?” Hughes asked when Patel entered the courtroom. Patel responded that he was a member of the trial team.
“You’re not a member of the trial team,” Hughes said. “It’s been going on for a month or so and you haven’t been here, have you?”
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 22:33 (six years ago) link
Nunes is Central Valley GOP, so safer than most. But there are signs the hometown crowd is getting tired of him a bit. Still, assume he'll be reelected unless he melts down on live TV (which I could see).
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 22:34 (six years ago) link
An American paper used the term ‘bollocking’?
― kim jong deal (suzy), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 22:48 (six years ago) link
A two page document from today, meantime, that suggests much:
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4364040/1-31-18-Flynn-Status-Report.pdf
Two comments on Twitter about it:
Mueller's office and lawyers for Michael Flynn want more time, per new filing:"Due to the status of the Special Counsel's investigation, the parties do not believe that this matter is ready to be scheduled for a sentencing hearing at this time."
"Due to the status of the Special Counsel's investigation, the parties do not believe that this matter is ready to be scheduled for a sentencing hearing at this time."
That wouldn't appear to be consistent with the view that Flynn didn't have much to offer to Mueller and that's all Mueller could get him on.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 22:50 (six years ago) link
Probable interpretation: "They're desperate to find something but they got nothing! Need to keep looking... So desperate! Sad!"
― Evan, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 23:04 (six years ago) link
Per Mariotti
The sentencing of Papadopoulos and Flynn won't occur until any trial of any person who they're cooperating against is completed. That could take years. https://t.co/F1Z5sGW4iJ— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) January 31, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 23:05 (six years ago) link
https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/31/politics/donald-trump-rod-rosenstein-december-meeting/index.html
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 23:09 (six years ago) link
Evergreen post:
A major blind spot of self-loathing coastal media is not understanding how many white people with blue collar sensibilities who don’t listen to NPR actually have higher incomes than most people in self-loathing coastal media. https://t.co/BmWxtKmg8p— David Klion (@DavidKlion) January 31, 2018
Middle to upper-middle income white people who think of themselves as working class and lean Republican are a significant demographic throughout the country and the media and both parties all seem to pretend otherwise.— David Klion (@DavidKlion) January 31, 2018
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 23:17 (six years ago) link
6. The re-imagining of mansion-dwelling wealthy suburbanites as some kind of heartland working class is a project of a dumb coastal media who can't get it through their heads that just because the state gamelands are down the road, that don't mean it's Deliverance.— Jacob "Blockchain" Bacharach, LLC (@jakebackpack) January 31, 2018
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 23:19 (six years ago) link
idk if i would use a new york post story to assemble a grand thesis about coastal media but ok
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 23:34 (six years ago) link
Where do reporters assigned to interview your average trump supporter tend to go? Out of state, for one.
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 23:42 (six years ago) link
In other news, Will Sommers has been tracking in almost real-time how the train collision conspiracism has been sluicing thru the Maga Chud outlets to get to less unresponsible channels
Gateway Pundit's Jim Hoft is already spreading conspiracy theories that the GOP train crash was domestic left-wing terrorism pic.twitter.com/C2scZnrSe1— Will Sommer (@willsommer) January 31, 2018
― Crazy Display Name Haver (kingfish), Wednesday, 31 January 2018 23:44 (six years ago) link
alex jones is already on the case too
my parents are coming to visit on friday and if this comes up in any way i'm going to fucking snap
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 23:47 (six years ago) link
I grew up mere minutes from Crozet VA
― sleeve, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 23:51 (six years ago) link
been there, super nice place
― tobo73, Thursday, 1 February 2018 00:01 (six years ago) link
can't imagine why anybody would wanna think the left was behind the train crash, GOP politicians don't like to admit they were outsmarted by liberals......
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Thursday, 1 February 2018 00:06 (six years ago) link
it's the train part that has them suspicious
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 1 February 2018 00:08 (six years ago) link
all those associations with the Finland Station, you see
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 February 2018 00:26 (six years ago) link
standing athwart history yelling CAR
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 1 February 2018 00:30 (six years ago) link
Retiring Rep. Gowdy "has found himself butting heads in recent months with Intelligence Chairman Devin Nunes and other pro-Trump Republicans who have hinted at corruption at the FBI" https://t.co/irndalAsKM— Tim Mak (@timkmak) January 31, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 1 February 2018 00:39 (six years ago) link
transcript of Nunes hearing for anybody who wants to read it: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1aYJN_lURy1knKe3I20OhoU9XOnDBBnu1/view
I'll probably get another 5 pages in before I have to put it down in rage
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Thursday, 1 February 2018 01:05 (six years ago) link
It can't be a lefty conspiracy because: What the fuck were a bunch of small-government rugged individualist Red Staters doing on subsidized public transportation anyway? Surely they ought to have been traveling in a fleet of coal-rolling F150s, or at least Suburbans.
― I'm my own emotional support animal (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 1 February 2018 01:15 (six years ago) link
Well, we survived January at least.
― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 1 February 2018 01:21 (six years ago) link
Shhh, someone will notice that there are still a few hours left in the month and take that as a challenge.
― Senior Soft-Serve Tech at the Froyo Arroyo (Old Lunch), Thursday, 1 February 2018 01:23 (six years ago) link
finished reading the transcript of the Nunes hearing.
want to hurt many many people. Nunes isn't actually doing much more than being a chairman in the meeting, but most of the talking (from Democrats) falls on deaf ears. it's obvious what this is - we'll watch it play out like the Iraq War narrative did.
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Thursday, 1 February 2018 01:27 (six years ago) link
memo dropping tomorrow per reuters
― Pumpkin Soup and Mandy Patinkin (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 1 February 2018 01:41 (six years ago) link
fuck this place
― Pumpkin Soup and Mandy Patinkin (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 1 February 2018 01:42 (six years ago) link
better still, fuck those cretins and leave this place a better place
― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 1 February 2018 01:44 (six years ago) link
https://projects.propublica.org/graphics/trump-job-promises
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Thursday, 1 February 2018 01:48 (six years ago) link
Hey, what has the Kush been up to lately?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 February 2018 01:56 (six years ago) link
xp - yeah, except the great majority of trump supporters are like Americans in general, to whom "millions of new jobs" has approximately the same meaning as "more than a few new jobs". innumeracy is ascendant.
― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 1 February 2018 01:59 (six years ago) link
the unwillingness of editors - because let’s be honest, that’s who is ultimately assigning these angles - to see the phenomenon klion outlines is especially odd given that long and staten island are both not far from manhattan!!!!
― maura, Thursday, 1 February 2018 02:09 (six years ago) link
better still, fuck those cretins and leave this place a better place― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, January 31, 2018 8:44 PM (eighteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
true enough, feeling defeated and hopeless today though, and mad at myself about that, too
― Pumpkin Soup and Mandy Patinkin (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 1 February 2018 02:10 (six years ago) link
the state of the uniom is not strnen
― reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 1 February 2018 02:33 (six years ago) link
MR. QUIGLEY: [...]When you, as the majority, conceived of doing this memo for release to the body and to the public, the preparation, the thought of doing it, the consultation of it, was any of this done after/during conversations or consultations with anyone in the White House? Did they have any idea you were doing this? Did they talk about doing this with you? Did they suggest it? Did you suggest it to them? Did you consult in deciding how to go forward with this before, during, and after this point right now? I yield.THE CHAIRMAN: I would just answer, as far as I know, no. [...]MR. QUIGLEY: Mr. Chairman, does that mean that none of the staff members that worked for the majority had any consultation, communication at all with the White House?THE CHAIRMAN: The chair is not going to entertain --MR. QUIGLEY: I yield.THE CHAIRMAN: -- a question by another member. Do any other members wish to be heard? Your time has expired.MR. QUIGLEY: Does that mean just questions you don't like or questions in general, sir?
THE CHAIRMAN: I would just answer, as far as I know, no. [...]
MR. QUIGLEY: Mr. Chairman, does that mean that none of the staff members that worked for the majority had any consultation, communication at all with the White House?
THE CHAIRMAN: The chair is not going to entertain --
MR. QUIGLEY: I yield.
THE CHAIRMAN: -- a question by another member. Do any other members wish to be heard? Your time has expired.
MR. QUIGLEY: Does that mean just questions you don't like or questions in general, sir?
the balls on these people
― Pumpkin Soup and Mandy Patinkin (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 1 February 2018 02:38 (six years ago) link
BREAKING: Discovered late tonight that Chairman Nunes made material changes to the memo he sent to White House – changes not approved by the Committee. White House therefore reviewing a document the Committee has not approved for release. pic.twitter.com/llhQK9L7l6— Adam Schiff (@RepAdamSchiff) February 1, 2018
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 1 February 2018 03:13 (six years ago) link
Seems pretty illegal
― hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Thursday, 1 February 2018 03:20 (six years ago) link
I don't know how big a revelation this is, but I kind of feel like his tweet could have been "BREAKING: I wrote a letter."
― Moodles, Thursday, 1 February 2018 03:22 (six years ago) link
god, things keep unraveling. wtf
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 1 February 2018 03:23 (six years ago) link
nu thred plz
― I'm my own emotional support animal (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 1 February 2018 03:29 (six years ago) link
it's still January for 90 more minutes here
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Thursday, 1 February 2018 03:34 (six years ago) link
The Hill are the first I've seen run anything about the Schiff tweet, so peruse for updates: http://thehill.com/homenews/house/371756-schiff-accuses-nunes-of-sending-trump-edited-memo
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Thursday, 1 February 2018 03:37 (six years ago) link
parting shot:
http://i64.tinypic.com/2mww3o9.png
http://is2.mzstatic.com/image/thumb/Video/v4/ef/c3/25/efc32551-778b-79bb-0500-d5dee6138873/source/1200x630bb.jpg
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Thursday, 1 February 2018 04:40 (six years ago) link
haha whoa
― flappy bird, Thursday, 1 February 2018 05:07 (six years ago) link
FWIW rumor mill on Twitter is hitting some interesting overdrives. Guess we'll see.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 1 February 2018 05:13 (six years ago) link
Go on...
― flappy bird, Thursday, 1 February 2018 05:18 (six years ago) link
Eh. No way to predict anything so better to just wait on word.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 1 February 2018 05:19 (six years ago) link
i mean just link it
― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 1 February 2018 05:21 (six years ago) link
Devin Nunes' pee tape edit now features HRC.
― Moodles, Thursday, 1 February 2018 05:22 (six years ago) link
he made it on jibjab
― maura, Thursday, 1 February 2018 05:23 (six years ago) link
Meantime, useful Mariotti thread
1/ Today the @nytimes published this piece discussing Mueller’s interest in the highly misleading statement crafted by Trump and his aides about the Trump Tower meeting. https://t.co/47MXCVjBmp— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) February 1, 2018
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 1 February 2018 05:31 (six years ago) link
Keep in mind, no one knows anything and nothing matters anymore anyway, but I've come across everything from rumors of Wray resigning in protest to accusations that Nunes forged Schiff's signature (?) to unnamed sources in the intelligence community ominously if enigmatically predicting that "shit is about to get real."
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 February 2018 05:47 (six years ago) link
Not to mention that in the afore linked Times story you've got that former Trump cat Corallo explicitly stating he thought Hope Hicks was obstructing justice.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 February 2018 05:49 (six years ago) link
tbf, shit hasn't been real for over a year now...
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Thursday, 1 February 2018 05:49 (six years ago) link
Seriously, I could go for a little reality.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 February 2018 05:51 (six years ago) link
actually it's been extremely real
― flappy bird, Thursday, 1 February 2018 05:51 (six years ago) link
It's been ... something.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 February 2018 05:54 (six years ago) link
Why do I get the impression that the Mueller investigation has the WH staff as jumpy and upset as a sackful of cats?
― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 1 February 2018 05:59 (six years ago) link
Trump likes to grab cats.
― Never Learn To Mike Love (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 1 February 2018 06:03 (six years ago) link
they'll be fine i think
― flappy bird, Thursday, 1 February 2018 06:04 (six years ago) link
to be continued...
US Politics, February 2018: Our country was founded by geniuses, but it’s being run by idiots
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Thursday, 1 February 2018 06:20 (six years ago) link