Captain Marvel (2019), dir. Anna Boden and Ryan Fleck

It'll happen you know. Because they're filming it.

http://akns-images.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/2018026/rs_600x600-180126084603-600.Brie-Larson-Captain-Marvel-JR-012618.jpg?fit=around|700:700&crop=700:700;center,top

:D
:D
:D

This, this, will surely be the movie that fixes in my head which one is Brie Larson and which is Alison Brie.

Wait, which one is this?

whose run on Captain Marvel are Ned and Veg's favourites?

it'd be cool if this movie featured all seven of the marvel characters who have been named "captain marvel"

would also be cool if the movie ended abruptly with a kid showing up and shouting "SHAZAM!"

I said stuff about this on Rolling Marvel Cinematic Universe thread (+ a poll: Classic or Dud?)

I’m stoked

Many details in here

https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/23/16015612/captain-marvel-90s-cinematic-universe-sdcc-2017

Seriously though Ben Mendelsohn is a Skrull

Claremont's is probably still my favorite take on Carol Danvers. I would assume that the film won't feature her turning into Binary.

man, Boden/Fleck have had a strange career.

It's Kind of a Funny Story very possibly the absolute nadir of schmindie romcoms

Haribo Hancock (sic)
Posted: February 6, 2018 at 11:35:42 PM
whose run on Captain Marvel are Ned and Veg's favourites?

your mom

:D

:D

― mh, Wednesday, February 7, 2018 3:57 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm

veg taking no prisoners itt

sic will be in soon to undo your absurd claim by detailing his mom's pointedly Ms. Marvel-free comics scripting history.

my mom threw out all the comics I'd written in my life when I was 15, due no doubt to professional jealousy

sad lol

<3

Hmmm

https://www.thewrap.com/djimon-hounsou-clark-gregg-lee-pace-captain-marvel/

But tucked into the announcement was the reveal that “Guardians of the Galaxy” stars Djimon Hounsou and Lee Pace will also be a part of the film.

In the first “Guardians” film, Pace played the film’s villain, Ronan The Accuser, with Hounsou playing one of his most formidable warriors, Korath The Pursuer. While their roles in “Captain Marvel” haven’t been made official, the upcoming film takes place in the 1990s, so it is possible that the two actors could reprise their characters from several years before they faced the Guardians.

“Captain Marvel” follows Carol Danvers as she becomes one of the MCU’s most powerful heroes when Earth is caught in the middle of a galactic war between two alien races. The cast also includes Samuel L. Jackson and Clark Gregg, who will be reprising their roles as SHIELD icons Nick Fury and Agent Coulson. Ben Mendelsohn, Gemma Chan, Lashana Lynch, Algenis Perez Soto, Rune Temte, McKenna Grace, and Jude Law also star.

So that's more or less a confirmation of a Kree/Skrull War adaptation. Cool beans.

Awwww shiiiiiiit

Rick Jooooooooones

Jude Law has been cast as Mar-Vell.

i look forward to seeing the hairpiece they choose for him

Maybe they can just attach it to the costume’s headpiece and he never takes it off! win-win

So basically this movie is now going to be ridiculously essential to the wider MCU plot machinations.

what, you think they’re going to rewind the Avengers movie battle and replay it with Carol and her squad in the mix?

EXACTLY no wait.

honestly the first thing I thought of was Temuera Morrison as Abin-Sur. Followed by Carrie Coon as Proxima Midnight.

I'm still riding for this movie though. It's going to be amazing.

And now amazinger:

Exclusive: Annette Bening in talks to join #CaptainMarvel https://t.co/m0kCFMRtys pic.twitter.com/wNQDk4Ggb2

— Hollywood Reporter (@THR) May 9, 2018

Wait, 'in talks'? Isn't this thing currently filming, if not already in post-production?

it is currently filming

they did a quick week in January so they were within the time restrictions of a tax break, then filmed in one location during march

annette bening IS beta ray bill

I might've gone a little more in the direction of a Diane Keaton as Bill, but I can accept it.

beta ray barbra imo

EW finally has some exclusive first look images: https://ew.com/movies/captain-marvel-first-look-images/

And there are FUCKING SKRULLS MOTHERFUCKERS

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DmWCfU2VAAAsPXh.jpg

Carol in a Nine Inch Nails t-shirt is clearly the key image

https://ewedit.files.wordpress.com/2018/08/opw-05957_r.jpg

skrull kill krew spin-off or gtfo

^^^^

lol yung SLJ

The film also introduces Lashana Lynch as Maria Rambeau, one of Carol’s oldest friends. She’s a top-notch Air Force pilot with the call sign “Photon,” and she’s also a single mother to a young daughter.

xp they should've made him look like Mister Senor Love Daddy

And there are FUCKING SKRULLS MOTHERFUCKERS

https://doctorwhofromthestart.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/curse-of-fenric3.jpg

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/7/7c/Imageseadevils.jpg, surely

I couldn't find a pic that showed the haemovore makeup clearly AND had them coming out of the water, but the tunics and skin colour are pretty close

Higher. Further. Faster. Watch the trailer for Marvel Studios’ @CaptainMarvel in theaters March 8, 2019. #CaptainMarvel pic.twitter.com/a7KsE8f7Y3

— Marvel Studios (@MarvelStudios) September 18, 2018

I'm in just for Young Coulson and Carol Danvers punching an old lady in the face.

tonally kind of weird for a Marvel trailer. No jokes!

(unless you count punching the old lady)

looks cool!

man, marvel's de-aging tech is getting really good huh

Rather.

I’m impressed how they transformed an actor in skrull makeup into that old lady

Chewie more or less confirmed

https://www.cnet.com/news/captain-marvel-cat-in-poster-is-really-an-alien/#ftag=COS-05-10aaa0j

lookin' good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LHxvxdRnYc

Pssh, have fun with your children's movie which is for infants and toddlers (ie, you, who are a baby).

(I'm just mad because I forgot to watch this before my work-instituted YouTube blackout began.)

i am a screeching hog and i demand my slop

This little piggy needs his Marvel.

FYI for those interested, we will almost certainly get a leak tomorrow morning of the new Avengers title (I'm banking on Avengers: What The..?. myself) prior to the trailer release, as the tie-in prequel comic is also dropping tomorrow.

It must be so hard to act in these sorts of movies, with rubber suits on and dots on a soundstage in front of a screen, etc.. As an actor, you just have no idea until you see it all put together. You're saying the dumbest stuff and then going pew pew with your fingers and you just have to trust that when the CG magic and music and other stuff kicks in it'll look cool. You'd think that's a lot of pressure on both actor *and* director, but after decades of this they seem to have the rhythm down. Still, it's a miracle it works as often as it does.

this one is a documentary iirc, no cg required

xp I mean . . . Fay Wray didn't have a giant gorilla on set, you know?

all other films do have orchestras off-camera playing the score live though

I never cottoned to improv because a scene partner would pretend he was handing me something and I would just be all like, what are you even doing with your clearly-empty hands right now, you look so stupid.

more of a 'yes... and?' kinda guy huh

Obviously acting is playing pretend, but it's a relatively recent phenomenon to have characters defined by CG embellishments. I would love to see a Brechtian superhero movie, with superheroes literally going through the motions but with no effects, just pointing their fingers intensely at invisible enemies.

so basically Dogville with superpowers

xpost An entirely improvised movie with invisible sets and costumes and props could be funny too. (If it were funny.) Or exhausting.

Yeah, Dogville with superpowers.

Just long stretches of people reacting in awe to nothing, then defending themselves by wiggling their fingers with a serious look on their face.

captain marville

I would love to see a Brechtian superhero movie, with superheroes literally going through the motions but with no effects, just pointing their fingers intensely at invisible enemies.

Why not just film a bunch of kids playing superheroes in a schoolyard? Same effect.

they generally are not oscar-winning actors. I guess the obvious follow-up question is, would oscar-winning actors play pretend superhero in their backyards any better than kids?

Playing a superhero should automatically disqualify you from future Oscar nomination.

And if you won the Oscar first, they should take it away.

Oh my god, right? You're so right. Oh my god.

Just imagine, the prestige of the Academy Awards being tarnished so.

When I saw that (totally average) Ant-man sequel with Michelle Pfeiffer, then Annette Bening in this trailer, not to mention Jude Law, or youthified Sam Jackson, or Michael Douglas, it occurred to me that within a few years virtually every actor of note or otherwise will have been in a superhero movie. God knows, they might all end up in the same superhero movie at once. Someone should devise a predictive mathematical formula that will lead us to the superhero singularity.

They should do an epic green screen Oscars ceremony with space fights and lasers and stuff.

they already do that at the golden globes iirc

Every penny of that Hollywood Foreign Press money is on the screen.

i would legit be into watching some bonus disc of one of these movies that is the same full-length cut but with no cgi. backgrounds trailing off into green scene, some props real some props fake, half the cast in tennis balls, etc. it's sorta boring to watch that stuff as behind the scenes footage from some camera off to the side but that'd be cool. otherwise this discussion seems a little silly - like there's something sacrosanct abt the oscars and like there's something tawdry abt being in genre films. actors like acting, sometimes they like to get big paychecks for letting their hair down with some kids' stuff or some juicy silly villain part, same as when british shakespearean types show up in a muppet reimagining of a classic children's tale, or a christ-mas pantomime or w/e they do over there.

see: most of them don't seem to be enjoying themselves tbh: Comic Book Movie Gravitas Bringers, The Poll

and its re-do: most of them don't seem to be enjoying themselves tbh: Comic Book Movie Gravitas Bringers, the poll

it occurred to me that within a few years virtually every actor of note or otherwise will have been in a superhero movie

With only the grumpy aging gen-Xers as the holdouts (i.e. Ethan Hawke).

Anyone who's dedicated themselves to the craft of acting should hold themselves to a higher standard in their choice of roles imo. Ask any child and they will tell you: if you play pretend, you have to play pretend the right way or you're cheating, and they will tell mommy on you and they will hate you forever.

"I would assume that the film won't feature her turning into Binary"

based on the trailer, you assumed wrong, OL (can't you go outside for a break and watch on yr device?). What I do not think the film will be featuring is her retreating to another dimension with her rapist, who exited her own womb, placed there via the machinations of a manifestation of Kang, and grew to maturity in 24 hours, also they will not get to her alcoholism (never understood why Busiek thought that was a good idea).

With only the grumpy aging gen-Xers as the holdouts (i.e. Ethan Hawke).

Hawke does his best work in genre movies. I vastly prefer Hawke's horror and SF work to any superhero movie I've ever seen.

now i kinda want ethan hawke to play johnny blaze

I like him in genre stuff (esp shlock like Predestination) but saying it's better work than idk the Before movies or First Reformed is quite a challop

TBF I haven't seen First Reformed yet. I love Schrader, though, so I'm gonna get to it soon.

BRB, gonna start a First Reformed thread where we can gab about the cameos in the new Avengers trailer.

should be clear, I don't care if talented actors are in the superhero movies. they certainly make them better, as far as I can tell. and I definitely don't care about the Oscars, but generally speaking, talented actors win them. so it's kind of a tautology, but it seems pretty clear to me that a good actor would do a better job in a superhero movie than a bad actor. I suppose the change in recent years is that superhero movies are attracting good actors. I'm not sure they have much of a choice though. it's sort of like, say, Radiohead being extorted into playing Lollapalooza or some other giant festival. it's not like they can really say no.

.. what are you talking about?

green lantern vibes from this trailer

can't believe marvel studios blackmailed anthony hopkins into playing odin, wtf

"I suppose the change in recent years is that superhero movies are attracting good actors."

what do you mean by recent years? I would say the first example of "good actors" i.e. respectable by hollywood standards, in superhero genre is Jack Nicholson & Kim Basinger in 1989. Or is it that the Bat films of the 90s are an exception, surrounded by the likes of Spawn, etc?

I'd argue that the lure is an increase in both quality and pay. Like taking a role in a superhero flick probably isn't as much like begrudging busywork for a respectable actor as it was a decade and a half ago.

i hear the craft services table on these movies is fuckin lit

McRibs and Shamrock Shakes, year round.

Man, if that was on the table every day I would totally break into this movie star racket.

I'd have to think about it, but it seems (at least from memory) that in the (not too distant) past, "good" Hollywood actors were enlisted not for being good actors but almost as sort of stunt casting, like the hammy Hackman in Superman or a hammy Nicholson in Batman or a barely-there Brando in Superman. They weren't hired for their gravitas or whatever. In recent years, though, you've got respectable actors more or less literally going from winning an Oscar one year to starring in a superhero movie the next, or older movie stars like Douglas, or Pfeiffer, or Bening getting superhero movie roles that don't seem like easy paychecks or embarrassing slumming. They're being hired for their name, yeah, but also for their talents, not just as a novelty. So yeah, more or less what OL said.

I don't think it's even more or less literally at this point. Pretty sure Captain Marvel was the first project Larson nabbed after winning her Oscar.

And Cumberbatch went Oscar to Dr. Strange, right?

Were Boseman or Jordan nominated for the James Brown movie or Creed?

i'm not entirely following yr argument tbh josh but it's worth remembering that the 1978 superman and the 1989 batman were rare eruptions of comic-book content onto the silver screen and now there are like 15 superhero movies a year, so actors are gonna go where the roles are regardless of their pedigree

Also as just like a general thing to remind people who complain about comic book movie overkill, here's the complete list of theatrically-released Marvel feature films from the 20th Century (aka prior to X-Men in 2000):

Howard the Duck (1986)
Blade (1998)

Yes, she couldn't wait to sell out for the big dollars that would take her away from (checks notes) Kong: Skull Island

Cumberbatch was filming Dr. Strange when he didn't get the Oscar for The Imitation Game - previous to that he'd been playing Sherlock Holmes, Khan, a penguin, and a dragon, for fuck's sake.

xp bg otm - actors have pretty much always done stuff for money, superhero films are just where the money is.

within a few years virtually every actor of note or otherwise will have been in a superhero movie

Jake Gyllenhaal as Mysterio in next year's Spiderman movie.

(is there actually a statement from Hawke saying that he wouldn't play in a superhero movie? Considering some of the absolute shite he's been in, that's a bit rich)

like the hammy Hackman in Superman

I haven't actually seen Kevin Spacey, but I have seen Jesse Eisenberg, and he's definitely the hammier of him and Hackman. Now turning to the Joker we find...

...Joaquin Phoenix in a year or so.

Of course actors are going to go where the money is, but these projects don't feel like they are being done just for the money, unlike, say, what Jeremy Irons has been up to or Anthony Hopkins in Freejack, or something like that. These comic book movies are not exactly prestige films, but they're not bad either, and I would argue they are as much actor driven at this point as they are effects driven. Which, if I am getting at anything, might be closer to what I am getting at.

Chadwick Boseman is definitely an actor who's been swallowed by it (though who am I to judge?) - Black Panther 3 films in a row.

(lol I looked up Samuel L Jackson and Fury is barely a blip - he's been appearing in an average of 4 films a year for two decades now)

Not to mention those Capital One commercials (although I assume those are more of a passion project).

this is the Hawke quote of note:

"Now we have the problem that they tell us Logan is a great movie. Well, it’s a great superhero movie. It still involves people in tights with metal coming out of their hands. It’s not Bresson. It’s not Bergman. But they talk about it like it is. I went to see Logan cause everyone was like, “This is a great movie” and I was like, “Really? No, this is a fine superhero movie.” There’s a difference but big business doesn’t think there’s a difference. Big business wants you to think that this is a great film because they wanna make money off of it".

These comic book movies are not exactly prestige films, but they're not bad either

*cough*

xpost Counterpoint: Logan was pretty great.

I mean they're at least competent. They're not, again, Freejack.

I'm trying to think who, if anyone, in the MCU might count as bad casting. The closest I can think of, maybe, is James Spader as the voice of Ultron. At the least I think it was a surprising choice, no matter what one thinks of the results.

xpost You need a lozenge there, buddy?

sorry, was choking on Cosmic Rage Gem

Arguably all the big actors in small roles like John C Reilly as Screenwatcher Superintendant - it kicks you out of the film a bit.

Relevant:

You either die an elf or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain in an MCU film. pic.twitter.com/6y6B2Us5op

— TASK the World’s Most Interesting Geek (@UpToTASK) December 4, 2018

people got Very Mad at that extremely mild Hawke quote

I don't think anyone here got Very Mad when it was first litigated months ago. I for one agreed, and I'm an unabashed MCU stan.

“It’s not Bresson. It’s not Bergman,” Hawke continues, “But they talk about it like it is.”

do they

(I actually thought Logan was wildly overpraised but that's some serious strawman shit)

captain marville

it's very annoying that Josh didn't acknowledge this

it occurred to me that within a few years virtually every actor of note or otherwise will have been in a superhero movie

it's true, there are only 300 living actors in the world

I'd have to think about it, but it seems (at least from memory) that in the (not too distant) past, "good" Hollywood actors were enlisted not for being good actors but almost as sort of stunt casting, like the hammy Hackman in Superman or a hammy Nicholson in Batman or a barely-there Brando in Superman. They weren't hired for their gravitas or whatever.

the not too distant past of Tim Burton's Batman (1989)

In recent years, though, you've got respectable actors more or less literally going from winning an Oscar one year to starring in a superhero movie the next, or older movie stars like Douglas, or Pfeiffer

...as opposed to the recent years of Tim Burton's Batman Returns (1992)

Also as just like a general thing to remind people who complain about comic book movie overkill, here's the complete list of theatrically-released Marvel feature films from the 20th Century (aka prior to X-Men in 2000):

Howard the Duck (1986)
Blade (1998)

FP'd the absolute motherfuck out of you for racism

u r gonna have to unpack that one for me, my man

AFI-award winning actor Barry Otto, in the distant past of 1985:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/mser-xg4lrY/hqdefault.jpg

Barry Otto, in the recent year of 1989:

https://fanfest.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/punisher-lundgren-1989.jpg

do they

there was a not-inconsiderable push to get Logan some awards consideration last year, no?

see also Wonder Woman

God, 'fondly' remember when a friend of mine got his hot little hands on a bootleg of Lundgren's Punisher at some convention, and sitting around watching this third-generation timestamped POS knowing full well that it was a POS but eagerly lapping it up because hey, at least we finally got something from Marvel.

(And subsequently being thoroughly unsurprised when the thing was released direct-to-video.)

direct-to-video

FP'd you again for exceptionalism

All sorts of Hollywood bullshit is nominated for awards every year. I don't see any major difference between something like, say, Training Day, and the more critically acclaimed superhero flicks

how quickly we forget jd salinger's son as captain america (1990), which i'm pretty sure got a theatrical release

https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.internationalhero.co.uk%2Fc%2Fcaptainamericasalinger3.jpg&f=1

i watched that recently! i enjoyed it ... not as good as the corman fantastic four film but still worthy

matt salinger is a profoundly oaken screen presence tho

big time

FTR, I seem to have no problem with direct-to-video horror film releases from that era, but I apparently hold Marvel to a higher standard.

If we're opening the floodgates, though, leave us not forget this produced-yet-unreleased masterpiece:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcpmM-eTESI

Ha, I see that it was already mentioned as I was composing my post. Of course it was.

still better than josh trank's effort

Well then how about this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNBRum247m0

hasselhoff was actually... okay in that iirc?

couple of things are getting scrambled up here --

* bresson and bergman as stand-ins for extremely serious, important makers of films that speak abt the human condition and have stood the test of time.

* the academy awards ("oscars"), an annual trade event where hollywood votes for its own and some other things; in some sense the equivalent of the "best southeastern regional concrete sales rep" but also sometimes a shorthand for high-quality work in and near a hollywood mode. bresson won no oscars; bergman won three plus a lifetime achievement one.

* moviegoers and critics who watch various kinds of movies, praising Logan as being a well-made genre picture with some good performances, and found room for it in end-of-year lists including oscar predictions (comparing it not so much to Moonlight etc. as to Alien Covenant and John Wick 2).

* ppl who primarily watch blockbusters and franchise stuff, who feel it is unappreciated as a Great Movie ("up there with Shawshank Redemption and Reservoir Dogs!"), and/or their avatars in print and web media whose role it is to generate endless content surrounding high-profile franchises, along the lines of "ten ways you didn't realize Logan was a secret western!" and "ethan hawke SLAMS superhero movies in major diss to fans!"

neither of these last two groups are talking about bresson or bergman, but hawke's quote is i think directed at the last group for giving some superhero movies the highest praise they have from their POV - they're talking about Logan as if it were a much better film because they don't watch many better films, in some measure because they've been crowded out of theaters. thus he may also be annoyed at the critical establishment for seeming to back them up and depriving attention from stuff that actually needed help at the box office. this would be a genuine problem for someone hawke-esque (if he were not massively rich, iirc through a stake in some franchise or other?) who wants to get tougher movies made and seen. but the bresson thing is obviously hyperbole and shouldn't bog us down.

All right, I'm goin' deep here in pursuit of something universally objectionable:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s70h5BKCHxE

knew what that would be before clicking through in Flagging to display the youtube window

Good breakdown there, Doc C.

Hawke is granted powers by a cosmic entity and flies onscreen in First Reformed iirc

god this is giving me major flashbacks to reading endless breathless speculation about marvel movies in wizard xxp

DC otm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SNlWYbcDrc

Feeling you as always, bg. Dug out my Wizard horde from my mom's recently and now they're in my home and I don't know exactly why.

actually this is basically Speedball turning into Penance afaiu

(I have read one Ditko Speedball comic and 0 Penance comics)

https://fathersonholygore.files.wordpress.com/2018/08/first-reformed19.png

first reformed spoiler

There's nothing in the prequel that will come as a surprise to anyone who's already seen Reformed.

the brave move would have been coming out against the middlebrow awards bait which is also stealing oxygen from smaller films

like really giving Darkest Hour the business

Dug out my Wizard horde from my mom's recently and now they're in my home and I don't know exactly why.

Here u go, please take the totems of a teenage shut-in depresso with the blessing of a middle-aged shut-in depresso.

Tell me, do you have room for some pogs

All sorts of Hollywood bullshit is nominated for awards every year. I don't see any major difference between something like, say, Training Day, and the more critically acclaimed superhero flicks

― Number None, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 19:40 (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

training day is a good movie

logan or black panther or avengers are good comic book movies

it's all pulp

yeah look i get it but none of the comic movies transcend the capes and the dialogue tbh

fine with me

watchmen aside obv

birdman count?

Do you know what happens when a toad gets struck by lightning? DO YOU?

jesus christ its direct threats now is it

training day is risible guff elevated by a tremendous performance from denzel

yes

ive enjoyed most of the marvels et al but nobody elevated any of them that i can recall unforch

training day was the best argument for david ayer sticking to scriptwriting over directing, or maybe an argument for antoine fuqua not being able to spin straw into gold when it comes to some of the other scripts he's directed

I'm not sure what anyone is talking about anymore. If that is at all my fault I apologize.

When are they making a Carvel movie?

wow, just perusing Hawke's filmography and I guess he starred in a Fuqua-directed Magnificent Seven remake in 2016

where is your Bergman now, Ethan?

hawke is v interesting is there a marvel for him out there

obviously he ranks that as acting in a kurosawa adaptation remake, top flight material

the point is fair though: most of the superhero movies, at their most serious, aren't that far off from magnificent seven. only instead of tracking down a guy who can shoot uncommonly well to join your team, you end up recruiting a guy with claws or w/e

A lot of them are like "let's get the band back together again!" stories, except instead of a battle of the band at the end there is just a battle.

searching for Hawke today gets you: "Ethan Hawke Joins Terrence Howard, Wesley Snipes In The RZA-Directed Heist Thriller ‘Cut Throat City’"

he really should stop criticizing other people for having a shtick when he keeps doing these roles that are definitely a shtick

lol also: "Ethan Hawke on Why Vincent D'Onofrio Deserves an Oscar More than 'Some British Dork'"

hmm what's D'Onofrio been up to lately

Yeah, but he does those movies to pay for stuff like "First Reformed," right? Five for them, and one for me.

Ethan Hawke should try for one of those tons-of-makeup roles, or a CGI animal person or something. Get that Groot money.

hmm what's D'Onofrio been up to lately

Acting AG, iirc.

i think he may be great idk tho its the kind of suspicion that would disappear if i looked harder than sideways at it

i believe i’ve already established itt that ethan hawke will be playing johnny blaze in the ghost rider reboot i am casting in my mind

I get the point that movies that have an actual artistic intent and involve more work from the actors in the realm of, say, acting rather than having the patience to sit in a makeup chair for eight hours are preferable work and are subjectively better as art. Reading about how the Coens decided they'd rather pitch to Netflix than try to make a play for traditional studio money for their oddball project is kind of disheartening. But if actors can work on smaller projects and parlay that success into a big paycheck wearing a cape and pretending to punch people, then sure, go for it

Ethan Hawke = Maxwell Lord obviously

Any era Max you like: Mrs Wootenhoffer, Maximum Force, the psycho years

no way, hawke is way too ratfaced for max lord

i always thought of max as like a young george hamilton

Max Lord was and is still Sam Neill


hawke is v interesting is there a marvel for him out there

Speedball ffs, read the thread


Reading about how the Coens decided they'd rather pitch to Netflix than try to make a play for traditional studio money

afaik they pitched and sold it to Annapurna, then Annapurna got it financed by Netflix

If Hawke is passed over for Blaze and Speedball, I'll see if I can pull some strings with the casting director for the upcoming D-Man flick.

he’ll have to get on the steroids

Max Lord was and is still Sam Neill

If Hawke is passed over for Blaze

he directed the solo film iirc so that would be a real snub

anyway he should play a middle-aged, battle-weary Cyclops

he directed the solo film iirc

the Method Man biopic?

I see what you did there Doc

Ok fine Ethan Hawke is Major Disaster, Oberon, or all four Challengers of the Unknown in different face prosthetics

Ethan Hawke is Matter Eater Lad

I still don't know what you're all talking about, but he should do a mo-cap Howard the Duck.

fuck i can see that

does his turn as a magic vagina count

Ethan Hawke is Matter Eater Lad

see now we're talkin

Guys.

DarkHawke.

does his turn as a magic vagina count

Howard's?

I was reading a review of her new movie and just thinking how Natalie Portman somehow managed to avoid the MCU, but then suddenly remembered she not only was in two of those Thor movies but is really the only actor to have jumped ship from the whole MCU enterprise.

Ed Norton! (Though really he was pushed out.)

Jeremy Renner too (?)

As was Terence Howard. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

Yeah, and (Academy Award nominee!) Terrance Howard was sort of pushed out, too, right? But Portman opted out.

Renner is still involved, isn't he? He just wasn't in the last one.

xxxxposts (geez guys) Hugo Weaving is another that comes to mind. Zachary Levi opted for Captain Marvel (the other one) over Marvel. Terrence Howard and Edward Norton were some less voluntary émigrés.

Renner is in the forthcoming Avengers fillum.

Remains to be seen if any of the Guardians cast are going to split in the wake of the Gunn mess. Bautista sure seems checked out at this point.

Bautista rules

Zachary Levi was in two Thor films. He hardly features in Thor 2 and his character was killed off in seconds in Thor Ragnarok. I don't know that there was much in the way of opting out there.

a) He was not portraying the character who was killed off in Ragnarok, b) I have a feeling that at least some of the dead Asgardians will be returning.

ehhh the one-time villains bumped off at the end of the film, like bridges and weaving, don't count.

Bruh, no spoilerz but you might wanna watch you some Infinity War is alls I'm sayin'.

that's not weaving!

That's what I'm saying!

okay, fine then!

Glad we were able to get the customary misunderstanding-laden tussle between heroes out of the way so quickly.

now let's get on with derailing the captain marvel thread even further

(rolls up spandex sleeves)

Best Actor Nominees of the last 20 years:

Unaffiliated: 33 (Adrien Brody, Bill Murray, Brad Pitt, Bruce Dern, Bryan Cranston, Casey Affleck, Clint Eastwood, Colin Firth, Daniel Day-Lewis, David Strathairn, Demián Bichir, Denzel Washington, Dustin Hoffman, Eddie Redmayne, Ed Harris, Javier Bardem, Jean Dujardin, Johnny Depp, Leonardo Di Caprio, Matthew McConaughey, Peter Fonda, Peter O'Toole, Philip Seymour Hoffman, Richard Farnsworth, Richard Jenkins, Robert Duvall, Roberto Benigni, Russell Crowe, Sean Penn, Steve Carell, Timothée Chalamet, Tom Hanks, Viggo Mortensen)

Spiderman: 4 (Andrew Garfield, James Franco, Jamie Foxx, Michael Keaton**)

X-Men: 3 (Hugh Jackman, Michael Fassbender, Ian McKellen)

Marvel MCU: 16 (Ben Kingsley, Benedict Cumberbatch, Bradley Cooper, Chiwetel Ejiofor, Daniel Kaluuya, Don Cheadle, Edward Norton, Forest Whitaker, Jeff Bridges, Jeremy Renner, Jude Law, Matt Damon*, Mickey Rourke, Nicolas Cage, Nick Nolte, Terrence Howard)

Batman: 11 (Christian Bale, Gary Oldman, George Clooney, Heath Ledger, Jack Nicholson, Michael Caine, Michael Keaton**, Morgan Freeman, Ryan Gosling, Tommy Lee Jones, Tom Wilkinson)

Other DC: 6 (Frank Langella, Geoffrey Rush***, Jesse Eisenberg, Joaquin Phoenix, Kevin Spacey, Will Smith)

* very brief cameo in Thor: Ragnarok
** double entry
*** a voice (1/2 points) in Green Lantern (double points)

Going back to 25 years would also net us Woody Harrelson, Laurence Fishburne, Liam Neeson, Anthony Hopkins, Robert Downey Jr, and Ralph Fiennes, who played Alfred in the Lego Batman Movie.

Obviously there are very very few people in the 'Unaffiliated' who could claim any kind of high moral ground over their position.

Some of those Unaffiliated folks starrd in some off-brand superhero stuff (e.g. Strathairn in Alphas). Also, Russell Crowe was in one of the nu Supermans, no?

Sure enough. And I'm sure you could come up with comics-related work for a lot of the people who haven't starred in superhero films per se (Hoffman in Dick Tracy immediately springs to mind).

Hanks in Road to Perdition, Mortensen in History of Violence, Depp in From Hell, etc.

Probably not the point Andrew was making, but still.

Superhero films definitely beneath the dignity of a Roberto Benigni.

nominated for their comic movie work?

Pretty sure only Olivier has earned that honor thus far.

heath ledger only winner, right

Vincent D'Onofrio won best Supporting for Men In Black iirc

actually lol: both Paul Newman and William Hurt have had IRL Oscar Best Supporting noms for comic-book adaptations

Brad Pitt had a cameo in Deadpool 2, so move him into the X-Men pile. (xps)

Good work on Brad Pitt, and of course Russell Crowe, as two-fisted Marlon Brando.

I didn't really have a point, except that I had a spare hour or so.

Best actress for the last 20:

Unaffiliated: 45 (Angelina Jolie, Carey Mulligan, Catalina Sandino Moreno, Charlize Theron, Charlotte Rampling, Diane Keaton, Ellen Burstyn, Emily Watson, Emmanuelle Riva, Felicity Huffman, Fernanda Montenegro, Frances McDormand, Gabourey Sidibe, Helen Mirren, Hilary Swank, Imelda Staunton, Isabelle Huppert, Janet McTeer, Jessica Chastain, Joan Allen, Judi Dench, Julia Roberts, Julianne Moore, Julie Christie, Juliette Binoche, Kate Winslet, Keira Knightley, Keisha Castle-Hughes, Laura Linney, Melissa Leo, Meryl Streep, Naomi Watts, Penélope Cruz, Quvenzhané Wallis, Reese Witherspoon, Renée Zellweger, Rooney Mara, Rosamund Pike, Ruth Negga, Sally Hawkins, Salma Hayek, Samantha Morton, Sandra Bullock, Saoirse Ronan, Sissy Spacek)

Spiderman: 3 (Emma Stone, Felicity Jones, Michelle Williams)

X-Men: 2 (Ellen Page, Jennifer Lawrence)

Marvel MCU: 6 (Annette Bening, Brie Larson, Cate Blanchett, Glenn Close, Gwyneth Paltrow, Natalie Portman)

Batman: 3 (Anne Hathaway, Halle Berry, Marion Cotillard)

Other DC: 5 (Amy Adams, Diane Lane, Margot Robbie, Nicole Kidman, Viola Davis)

It's worth pointing out that again, none of the people in the (much larger than the men) Unaffiliated are only doing 'proper' acting - they're just not in the expensive low-brow stuff.

Another 5 years would just get us Angela Basset and Holly Hunter

And again, there's a non-negligible portion of the unaffiliated who've made non-superhero comics movies.

(And perhaps worth noting: Ruth Negga has been featured on both a superhero and a non-superhero comics adaptation tv series.)

Angelina Jolie starred in a Mark Millar adaptation - unless you're discounting that bcz it was supervillains not superheroes, but you've counted Bassett:

Another 5 years would just get us Angela Basset and Holly Hunter

^ also moves Naomi Watts into might-as-well-be-superhero-for-these-purposes

I'm not really counting indie supers, or the note on Geoffrey Rush would have read "As Casanova Frankenstein in Mystery Men" - or TV by the same mark - this is not hard science.

^ also moves Naomi Watts into might-as-well-be-superhero-for-these-purposes

Tank Girl, Divergent or Birdman? :)

Best Supporting Actor, just because I'm amused how much the MCU and Spiderman has raided this category, and also to get Ethan Hawke in:

Unaffiliated: 33 (Alan Alda, Alan Arkin, Albert Finney, Alec Baldwin*, Barkhad Abdi, Billy Bob Thornton, Casey Affleck, Christoph Waltz, Christopher Plummer, Clive Owen, Dev Patel, Ed Harris, Eddie Murphy, Ethan Hawke, Hal Holbrook, Haley Joel Osment, Jackie Earle Haley, James Coburn, Javier Bardem, Jim Broadbent, John Hawkes, Jon Voight, Jonah Hill, Lucas Hedges, Mark Rylance, Mark Wahlberg, Matt Dillon, Max von Sydow, Philip Seymour Hoffman, Richard Jenkins, Robert De Niro, Robert Duvall, Tom Cruise)

Spiderman: 10 (Chris Cooper, J. K. Simmons, Jake Gyllenhaal, Jamie Foxx, Mahershala Ali, Paul Giamatti, Thomas Haden Church, Tom Hardy, Willem Dafoe, Woody Harrelson)

X-Men: 2 (Michael Fassbender, Ian McKellen)

Marvel MCU: 20 (Ben Kingsley, Benicio del Toro, Bradley Cooper, Djimon Hounsou, Edward Norton, Jeff Bridges, Jeremy Renner, John C. Reilly, Josh Brolin, Jude Law, Kenneth Branagh**, Mark Ruffalo, Matt Damon, Michael Clarke Duncan***, Nick Nolte, Robert Downey Jr., Sam Rockwell, Stanley Tucci, Sylvester Stallone, William Hurt)

Batman: 9 (Christian Bale, Christopher Walken, George Clooney, Heath Ledger, Ken Watanabe, Michael Caine, Morgan Freeman, Tommy Lee Jones, Tom Wilkinson)

Other DC: 5 (Geoffrey Rush, Jared Leto, Joaquin Phoenix, Michael Shannon, Tim Robbins)

* Though he was the motherfucking Shadow, which has to count for something.
** Asgardian Distress Caller in Infinity War, apparently, but also he directed Thor
*** Daredevil

Watchmen has been assimilated against its will into the DCU so I think Jackie Earle Haley is technically affiliated.

See, now I want a cumulative list of all thirteen or so of these nominees/winners whose filmographies remain unsullied by any comics-related project.

Alda was Commissioner Gordon in the first Batman, btw.

How did you do Best Actress and miss Halle Berry?

(She's listed under Batman.)

That is just ornery

Halle Berry and Julianne Moore are in the second Kingsman movie.

Jessica Chastain is in the next X-Men.

Casanova Frankenstein

Original to the film! (as are all but two of the characters iirc)

AF already said he’s not counting Millar joints (though obv I endorse noting them!)

firstly

unless for a comic book role, this is even more pointless than it appears

secondly, road to perdition might be an adaptation of a graphic novel, but a comic-book movie it aint and yes u fuckin know the difference dont start

ah yes, the highbrow literary tone of a Max Allan Collins, filtered through the cinéaste vision of a Sam Mendes, produces something ineffably transformative

Graphic novels are comic books

grats

road to perdition is not a comic book movie

avengers et al are

Gone With the Wind is not a book movie.

Harry Potter et al are.

Very few comics adaptations adapt particularly hifalutin comics, and even when they (arguably) do, the films themselves don't usually wind up particularly hifalutin (eg From Hell).

New trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX33bIOA5aA

I mean, appropriate song use there.

Man, "Connection" is almost 25 years old ... We're nearly as far from that song as, like, Prince's "Sign O the Times" is from "Love Me Do."

i've said itt before but man i can't stop boggling at how good that de-ageing tech is getting

We've only seen it in short bursts though right? It was a little borderline in GOTG2 and Star Wars, and that was only a couple of years ago.

it looked noticeably better in ant-man and the wasp iirc

Ant man 2 times

Lol at Darraghmac's attempt to argue some comic books are more equal than others.

Road to Perdition is actually more of a comic book movie than the MCU ones, because it does actually adapt the story of a comic book into a movie, whereas the Marvel films mostly have original plots that take some story elements from various comics.

fun fact: road to perdition is absolutely fucking terrible

the de-aging in Aquaman looked good on Nicole Kidman and bizarre on Temuera Morrison... I don't think anyone has it down to a science yet

Some behind the scenes/set interviews/this and that, a couple of spoilers along the way, etc etc.

https://io9.gizmodo.com/captain-marvel-will-bring-the-might-of-carol-danvers-to-1831497102

very cool!!

https://taskandpurpose.com/captain-marvel-featurette-air-force
https://taskandpurpose.com/captain-marvel-air-force-recruiting

the deaging on Kidman was the best I've ever seen. I mean if you didn't know she actually looked older you would not have known anything was done to her at all. Of course she looks kind of unreal in real life these days too.

They know what they're doing.

https://www.marvel.com/captainmarvel

lol, that's good

Any little girl for whom seeing CAPTAIN MARVEL has an appreciable effect on her self-worth, her ambitions, or her sense of what’s possible for her own life, is an unimaginative bore and I don’t care to know her

— Maddie Whittle 🤷‍♀️ (@maddiewhittle) March 4, 2019

i think posting that says more about you than the movie

so far I've only spotted one amusing Captain Marvel tweet in the wild

Captain Marvel sitting at the Air Force Base fumbling for change for the Air Force vending machine to get a refreshing ice cold can of Air Force

— glory / glory / glory (@bombsfall) March 5, 2019

Reviews are ... middling.

seems like the reviews are on par for a lot of the Marvel "origin story" flicks. which is to say "not a classic, but a good time".

one of the things that makes Rotten Tomatoes functionally useless is that, just to eyeball it, most of the "fresh" CM reviews are...2.5/4, 3/5...not exactly glowing endorsements, but it still sits at "89% fresh" wtv the fuck that means. (this is the first time I've noticed that they'll consider 2/4 "fresh" if the rhetoric is forgiving enough)

lol at Morbs' post

these movies would be motherfucking landfill in a quality culture

these movies are also pretty easy to ignore if you're not interested in them tbh

try having two teen daughters who love them and want to watch them with you

thank GOD for the Thor movies and Spider-Man

lol at morbs tweet

but actual lol not yknow angry at morbs lol

hope its better than black panther

BP is OK if you pretend the credits roll after the waterfall

Walter Chaw:

In the Marvel Cinematic Universe's very own Solo, Vers (Larson) is a Kree warrior who trains with Kree warrior Yon-Rogg (Jude Law). When I spell "Kree" with a "k," I mean it: these aren't the First Nations "Kree," they're mostly-green space aliens at war with shape-shifting lizard people called Skrull. As the film lugubriously opens like a corpse flower in a greenhouse, Vers is captured by Skrull leader Talos (Ben Mendelsohn) and has her memory probed, leading to a flashback to 1989 in which Vers is Carol Danvers, plucky test-pilot given to cheeky affirmations shared with her buddy (wait for it) Maria Rambeau (Lashana Lynch). Say it out loud. Yeah, baby, Maria RAMBO. Sick, right? Carol, see, was a human but is now Kree because reasons, leading to the whitest inspirational declaration I have ever heard when she says, summoning would-be iconic gravitas, "My name is...Carol!" (It's no "They call me Mister Tibbs!", but it's destined to be memed whenever some soccer mom calls the cops on a renegade lemonade stand going forward.) This is just one of many attempted moments of affirmation in Captain Marvel, with another coming when Carol robotically intones at Yon-Rogg that she doesn't need his approval--an assertion that essentially says his accusations of her being incapable of controlling her emotions are not only true but indeed the root of her strength. Not what they meant? Well, then, they had over two hours to be clearer; and why are you defending something that cost the GDP of a small nation to produce and advertise? Look, if one small girl is inspired by Captain Marvel, that's fantastic. When I was a small Chinese boy, I loved Condorman. I had the novelization and everything. Condorman is one of the two or three worst movies ever made. Captain Marvel is not just the worst MCU film, it's also the worst DCEU film--and, folks, I really hated Suicide Squad and Justice League. I'm glad Condorman exists because of what it meant to me, but Condorman, let me repeat, is terrible. I'm also glad that Captain Marvel exists, I guess, because real equality is when movies about women are allowed to be as bad as most movies about men.

I was never going to see this anyway, but now I do kinda wanna see Condorman a little bit.

The debut appearance of Monica Rambeau was published the same month as /First Blood/ landed in theaters, and three years before the sequel film made that name synonymous with military toughness, imo. Seems pretty unlikely that there's any connection.

based on a cursory IMDb'ing, Condorman sounds like a hoot

I've always meant to see it, while routinely forgetting it exists and mixing it up with Pumaman.

Wikipedia says Monica Rambeau first appeared in 1982. First Blood also out that year. Just coincidentally, my guess. Other than phonetics, the characters have no shared characteristics. But hey, why would filmfreakcentral.net let research get in the way of a hyperbolic, Comic Book Guy review? Fwiw, I don't have stock in the film. Just not a fan of bandwagon, self-indulgent pans.

too few movies are torn to pieces by hyperbolic reviews tbh

It's so easy to laugh. It's so easy to hate. It takes guts to be gentle and kind.

whats easy isnt whats always wrong

The debut appearance of Monica Rambeau was published the same month as /First Blood/ landed in theaters, and three years before the sequel film made that name synonymous with military toughness, imo. Seems pretty unlikely that there's any connection.

I was never going to see this anyway, but now I do kinda wanna see Condorman a little bit

Saw it in theaters at the time! Disney does a bizarre Bond manque, in essence, but you get a Henry Mancini score and Oliver Reed eating the scenery. Plus, at the very end of the film, the lead actor from Orson Welles's Mr. Arkadin in a one or two line role!

I feel like I might have read another Walter Chaw review at some point. Holy fuck, is he a shitty writer. If Armond White was Comic Book Guy...

I don’t want to derail into this thread into my defence of Walter Chaw, but his positive reviews are definitely a different animal than his pans.

Anyway, carry on Marvelletes. I’ll show myself out.

enjoyed this a lot.

Walter Chaw is a cock.

it has an orange cat in it apparently so I'm 110% going to see it this weekend

enjoyable mid-tier marvel. i'll always love Brie

more of a stilton man myself tbh

*changes username to Brie en crüt furiously*

I loved this!

the Kree orgy scene was a little much tho

second favourite air force-related movie featuring a cat named Goose

watching Mississippi Grind on Kanopy

I'm sorry, I haven't been interested in this movie (apart from a general "hey, good for Brie Larson") and haven't read this thread -- but this was directed by Anna Boden and Ryan Fleck??

well, some of it was

what about the rest?

Harmony Korine

sounds sick

the real answer is that the action sequences in MCU movies seem to be outsourced to Disney/Marvel's....in-house crew, whoever that entails. I'm still waiting for a decent tell-all on how their production process works.

Do you have a source for that? I've definitely seen Ryan Coogler geek out about all the small intentional stuff he put into one of Black Panther's fight scenes.

I think it depends on the director

But Lucrecia Martel said this recently

I received an e-mail from Marvel for a meeting,” Martel said. “So I went to the [Marvel 10th Anniversary] reunion. I actually signed this thing where I can’t talk about that reunion. Marvel and other such production houses are trying to involve more female filmmakers…What they told me in the meeting was ‘we need a female director because we need someone who is mostly concerned with the development of Scarlett Johansson’s character.'”

Martel continued, “They also told me, ‘Don’t worry about the action scenes, we will take care of that.’ I was thinking, well I would love to meet Scarlett Johansson but also I would love to make the action sequences.”

Yeah that's the intvw I was thinking of. (also, I'm quite sure she wasn't supposed to disclose that, but gives zero fucks)

I remember reading, or discussing here, around the time of Iron Man 3, that they send the directors to some intensive CGI action sequence boot camp. Certainly at the time there was no indication Shane Black was capable of an over-the-top CGI spectacle, for example. I do think the quality of the action sequences in these movies boils down to the quality of the writing, and that a lot of them are driven by quips and personal interactions and that is what sticks out. It's why the airport fight in Civil War stands out as a highlight, or for that matter why Spider-Man Homecoming worked so well.

and this is the relevant Coogler piece

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNHc2PxY8lY

oh shit i didn't know this was the condorman thread

i too was enthusiastic about condorman as a child, though admittedly it was more the concept of condorman then the actual movie, which was fairly unwatchable (though there are, i am certain, many worse films in the world)

character of maria rambeau clearly inspired by arthur rimbaud, i don't know how chaw missed this

I am glad for this Condorman appreciation.

Anyway, just got back from seeing CM and yeah, solid midrange Marvel film with some sharp moments. Came in with lowballed expectations and it all turned out fine.

I enjoyed it a lot, I was wondering if there was a bit of "Okay, we're going to have the first female lead in a Marvel film, we should make sure that Samuel L Jackson is on screen for 85% of the film" - which is progress I suppose!

I thought it was pretty great. Started slow & I was concerned that it would be alien-world nonsense at first but that was only momentary

Solid fun

This was better than I was expecting, although it suffered a bit from clunky pacing. Larsen was just kinda ok (although she played off of Jackson well), Annette Bening was wasted, Sam Jackson more or less carried the movie. Mendelsohn has some fun. Jude Law is Jude Law.

Of course the real MVP was Goose the “cat”.

Liked the *spoiler*villain reversal*end spoiler* which I should have seen coming but somehow didn’t.

Despite their house visual style being pretty bland and uninspired (with a few notable exceptions), for the most part Marvel has established a fairly consistent baseline of entertainment value that is pretty impressive.

i think it's high time we moved on from having spaceships be varying shades of brown and bronze and shadow inside. it's very annoying and you can't fkn see anything that's going on

^yes

I kinda don't get the backlash. I don't mean the "incel" backlash but the backlash from everyone else who is like "ok we can admit this isn't very good".

I can get how Marvel fatigue could negatively impact a viewing, since by now, these things have familiar beats, pacing, and occasionally homogeneity sets in. But I can't grok how someone who likes other Marvel origin flicks would find this one a cut below.

Yes, the 90's refs were very smack-you-in-the-face, but were mostly innocuous. I felt like they kept the scope appropriate, the ties to Endgame were managed well, and I enjoyed Brie as a sassy but grounded hero.

I really hated this. Felt like unending exposition and then uninteresting action sequences even by Marvel standards. Had no interest in the plot, such as it was.

I usually like Larson a lot but she's miscast in this. Her flat affect just comes across as bored/boring here.

The 90s stuff is such a red herring too because this could have taken place at literally any time at all...it's like *cue 30 seconds of Come As You Are...oh yeah this is the 90s...cool*

A full on 90s homage would have been preferable, I think, because there might have been some attempt at establishing a definite time/place which isn't some anonymous spaceship.

Also....(last one I promise)...this felt so weirdly underpopulated. All the settings were so empty and bland and boring.

But other than that you loved it.

A full on 90s homage would have been preferable

No

Also it's not like they drove wind-up cars in the 90s and houses were made of mud

It didn’t fully hit me until later at how reasonably self-contained it was. Everything that’s a direct connective element to all the other films functions just as is in this one; only the mid-credits scene acts as a direct tie-in. Otherwise they’re just Easter eggs and the like if you’re looking for them.

This was pretty good + fun. Mid-tier MCU but that's nothing to shake a stick at (scroll upthread and review the laundry list of past comic movies which were almost uniformly Not Good). I do think we've reached a point, though, where going all-in with this franchise pays way more dividends than just sampling here and there. Everyone I saw it with (my gf and her fam) enjoyed it but there was some confusion among the older folks.

I havent formulated a full thought on this but maybe Guardians & Ragnarok pushed the bar too high & now everyone’s disappointed if it’s not wall to wall crazy fun timez?

i love both those movies (and this movie) so idk maybe i am barking up the wrong tree

or maybe just

captain marvel going 🚀 $1B pic.twitter.com/M4W1EHyS3t

— saddy 🚀 (@sapphicaptain) March 11, 2019

marvel fatigue is definitely a thing. the later ones that dont suffer from it have taken steps to avoid the generic mood/message of the general run

ppl who raved about efforts as poor as black panther and dr strange should also perhaps not rush to judge the reasons behind audiences not turning up for more of the same just sayin

I do think we've reached a point, though, where going all-in with this franchise pays way more dividends than just sampling here and there. Everyone I saw it with (my gf and her fam) enjoyed it but there was some confusion among the older folks.

I'm curious about this, because I'm definitely with Ned - apart from the scene at the end, this was a very self-contained movie.

eh? nobody liked Dr Strange. everyone liked Black Panther. there's a major difference on those two. not aaaall of these films get loved.

Y'all just straight-up inventing reality itt. 'Nobody liked Dr. Strange', gtfo.

happy to go on record and say that dr strange was absolutely adequate

The problem, I think, isn't that this film isn't mostly self-contained (which it is) but rather that if your engagement with the MCU is somewhat casual it's probably a little confusing to figure out how this fits into the larger tapestry.

I have to hope that they at least tried to get 'Supernova' on the soundtrack.

Dr. Strange was the rare Marvel movie all four of us saw at the same time in the theaters, and all four of us were like eh. Black Panther, my wife and one kid loved, but that might have been opening weekend excitement, while me and the other one thought it was fine. Kids and I thought both Ant Man movies were meh, but enjoyed the last Thor. Half of us saw the last Avengers, half of us had no interest at all. Everyone loved Spider-verse. Which is to say, yeah, for being so consistent and occupying very similar ground these movies definitely exist in some sort of hierarchy, and just first person anecdotally some degree of Marvel fatigue has def. affected my family. For example, my two girls haven't said a word about Captain Marvel.

both were bad

one was lazy and didnt get great hype in the longer run but plenty of first takes were zomgggg amazing

one was ambitious but messy and fell apart after an amazing setup and the ongoing consensus was that it was robbed of an oscar of best picture which i mean

xp response to jamiesummerz

Which is to say, yeah, for being so consistent and occupying very similar ground these movies definitely exist in some sort of hierarchy, and just first person anecdotally some degree of Marvel fatigue has def. affected my family.

think meself that marvel fatigue impacts a lot less on those that strive for different ground, in particular the stakes and scope not being yet another alien-threatens-continent/govt shut down supergang repliplot

it's probably a little confusing to figure out how this fits into the larger tapestry.

Okay, I thought you meant were confused at the movie.

Look, I'm all for youse guys declaring favorites and bombs and ranking however you see fit but declarative statements about everybody agreeing that this particular movie is garbage or that everybody thought BP was a BP lock makes me wonder what planet you're living on. Hala? Tarnax IV?

xpost I will never be the one saying that, at the very least, as I'm always the one explaining everything to everyone. I think it's just understood at this point that I'm an acceptable facsimile of a walking Marvel Handbook.

I'm assuming that, second only to the film's themes of female empowerment (which are way more understated than one might've been led to believe), the shut-ins will be largely up in arms about the revelation of how Fury lost his eye. But it was kinda hilarious and perfect imo.

I don't know if I'd call them understated (I was expecting a "Nevertheless, she persisted" chyron at a crucial point), but they are fairly specific to her.

HEAVY fucking lol at the "Nah man, I won't be seeing this, I don't dig films that glorify the military-industrial complex" 'critique'

tbf the promo material was pretty heavy on US Air Force tie-ins, unusually so even for a contemporary action movie

Also tbf that is extremely in keeping with the character in general (note: not in any way a fan of the military-industrial complex but facts is facts) but also she isn't even an Air Force pilot in this movie.

was not a big fan of the usage of i'm just a girl in that particular fight scene. seemed kinda tacked on.

I get that they wanted to use that song, and they wanted to do it with an action scene to drive the point, but it seemed like a really bad mismatch in that particular scene

It was on the nose but I think it fit the fight choreography nicely.

Tbf I didn't think the female empower ment was over the top. Other than the "you know why they call it the COCKpit montages, most of the rest of the film seems focused on her amnesia, an Ender's Game-ish misdirection, and a commentary on the uncomfortable relationship between jingoistic patriotism and militaristic imperialism (so basically Kree-Skrulls is Israel-Palestine)

Yeah, the Skrulls came out of this very well, considering that they're also a dangerous group of mad bastards.

The Kree have been painted pretty unequivocally as intergalactic shits of the highest order for years on Agents of SHIELD so it was nice to feel, even if just for a moment, that the TV side of the MCU actually had some relevance.

Quite enjoyed it but it did seem like a somewhat lesser Marvel film.

Wondered about when the Kree became seen to be bad. & the Skrulls to be victims.
BUt Nazis do tend to portray themselves as being heroic, virtuous meritocrats who deserve to rule the universe don't they?

Looking forward to the next Avengers, funny to see the retrofit origin of the group name.

Also need to look up what else was retrofit in this. Carol Danvers seems to have taken on some of the iconography of the male Captain Marvel along the way.

too bad we didn't get to see the big head version of the supreme intelligence

It was a shame but perhaps they were just waiting until Reed Richards is inducted into the MCU so that they can moosh several of his alternate reality analogues into that thing (which is, I believe, still the current constitution of the Intelligence in the comics).

Quite enjoyed it but it did seem like a somewhat lesser Marvel film.

yeah p much. not really knowing much at all about capt marvel as a character both made me less interested (wouldn't know if there were interesting/disappointing departures from the comics) and intrigued (who's captain marvel???)

tryna do galaxy math and figure out how she's supposed to be one of the most powerful characters in the MCU, tho

"the dog ate my homework but I actually had all the answers correct" iirc

felt v triggered watching Annette Bening groove to “Come As You Are”

it was all i could do not to yell UGH MUM STOP IT

I was like "yr probably more into the mid 90s Meat Puppets"

I liked this, I liked the soundtrack

I didn't like the "I shot the engine, now I'm absorbing its powers" moment but I was admonished by my friends like "that is how comic books WORK."

it isn't

it is tho

U guys aren't doing "Epic" right

Annette Bening should play Liz Warren

I didn't like the "I shot the engine, now I'm absorbing its powers" moment but I was admonished by my friends like "that is how comic books WORK."

― flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, March 11, 2019 11:16 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Would you have preferred power transference via Psyche-Magnitron? Would you??? Trust me, the MCU architects make this stuff way more palatable for the lay viewer.

sic is (quelle surprise) being pedantic. This is very much how SUPERHERO comics have often worked. Many times, the craziness is even more absurd. I would recommend googling the first two words of my current dn if you doubt me.

tryna do galaxy math and figure out how she's supposed to be one of the most powerful characters in the MCU, tho

I thought they made the case fairly clearly when she wiped out fleets of fighters and flew the long way through a dreadnought-style warship?

I shot the engine makes about as much sense as "I absorbed a gamma bomb and it gave me emotion-based powers", in fairness

This is very much how SUPERHERO comics have often worked. Many times, the craziness is even more absurd.

My favorite crazy example of this was the Captain America villain Solarr, who...got lost in the desert in Nevada, got real hot, and woke up shooting fire blasts from his hands.

I mean, as you do.

I thought they made the case fairly clearly when she wiped out fleets of fighters and flew the long way through a dreadnought-style warship?

For sure. It was also minutes after she broke from the Supreme Intelligence.

I really loved that scene. It really captured how Carol “fights” in the comic. She runs into objects and they explodes!

“they explodes"

In other words, SHE FLY @ U FACE.

My favorite crazy example of this was the Captain America villain Solarr, who...got lost in the desert in Nevada, got real hot, and woke up shooting fire blasts from his hands.

― 27 Discounts ILXors Get Only If They Know (WmC), Tuesday, March 12, 2019 7:37 AM (fifteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

IIRC Electro was literally just struck by lightning and *bam* electricity powers.

Plus the thing where Hank Pym went from having to use a variety of chemical supplements until it finally dawned on him to avoid the science altogether and just think real hard about changing his size.

But we could be here all day on this topic if I get started.

The other side of the road isn't much better. They've got a guy who can do nearly anything because the sun on his home planet was... different

uh the energy from the sun is pretty fuckin incredible man have u ever ~~~~~~~~thought about it~~~~~`~```~`

too often

I thought everybody would know by know taht there were extra scenes during and after the credits of Marvel films. I was the only person to see the last one.
Are people not seeing this as worth waiting for. GUess there weren't a massive amount of people in the screening anyway.

BUt quite fun and ties in elsewhere.
Maybe the bits of the film that do tie in elsewhere are not as totally important to be tied up as to change things massively.

you can just read what happened in them on your phone from the lobby or in the line for the restroom

tbh I should have done that. restroom line was ridiculous

Disney was fairly canny re: the release date for this one inasmuch as it leads in to the next Avengers film and won't be (legally) viewable anywhere but the theater before Endgame is released next month. So that probably cranked up the urgency a bit with at least some of the audience.

oh noes legalities

Ah, misread the thrust of 'Are people not seeing this as worth waiting for'. But yeah, most people in my theater had also already split before the post-credit scene. You can't imagine at this point that this is everyone's first MCU rodeo so who knows what they're thinking.

that the scenes are small and relatively ephemeral?

I mean, one was a teaser for a film that's coming out in less than two months with the implication some version of that scene will be in the next movie, and the final one was there for laughs

I've left as the credits rolled a few times now

Yeah the credit crawls have ceased to have "new shocking info" since all of the origin stories are now done and Thanks actually showed up. Still fun tho.

I dunno, maybe it's just my obsessively completist mindset but the notion of leaving a movie while there's still more movie left to watch is just anathema. Can't walk in late, either.

leaving a movie before it's over can feel quite liberating

Re: consequentiality of end credits: Well if the flerken contains multiple universes it’s possible the tesseract from the CM universe just appeared in the current Fury-less universe. I just thought of this I don’t know how flerken guts work FYI but I will revisit this in the future if I am right

I thought they made the case fairly clearly when she wiped out fleets of fighters and flew the long way through a dreadnought-style warship?

i meant, like, vis a vis thanos, not the other heroes

The implication at the end of Infinity War is that he's burnt out the gauntlet, so he's probably just like super-super-powerful now instead of God Mk. II.

ohhhhh

the notion of leaving a movie while there's still more movie left to watch

the credits junk isn't part of the movie! it's inherently extraneous to the movie! it's like saying you didn't really watch a home release if you didn't watch every extra on the disc/download

Pssssh.

Yeah, I said it.

If it's a part of the story and it's featured in the theatrical release, it's part of the movie. Although I'll concede that eg the mid-credits scene (which is actually a preview scene plucked from Endgame) and others of that ilk don't really count. You may not deem a scene of the Avengers having dinner important enough to stick around for but it's still the final scene of that particular film.

if you walk out of Wild Things when the credits start, you miss like 5 plot twists

ok, now I'm sol

*sold

Sorry, I left the theater before you had a chance to throw that 'd' out there so now I think you're actually the star that provides light and warmth to our planet DO U SEE

well, the marketing did that with HER going to HERO so it seems apt

the final, post-all-credits blip nearly made me hop out of my chair in an attempt to get that animal off the desk and on to a spot on the floor without a rug

You say blip, it felt like it took 10 minutes.

the credits junk isn't part of the movie! it's inherently extraneous to the movie!

part of the film, always

this 'product' idgas

You have a funny way of demonstrating that ydgas.

i liked this a lot. IMO Marvel has an incredibly surprising hit to miss ratio; only one Iron Man movie and one Thor movie have been 'eh' for me, everything else they've done has been good to exceptional.

passed by two adult men on the street the other day (before I saw this) who were saying 1) they didn't like the main character because she was smarmy 2) they thought she and her friend were going to kiss 3) 'too much politics, it's all in your face' (????).

I think you may have accidentally mistyped 'adult' there.

tfw your masculinity is so fragile that a fairly traditional superhero movie gets under your skin because it stars a woman who has mentioned feminism in interviews about it

yeah I couldn't tell after seeing the movie if they were talking about that, or about the refugee situation; either way, that's the sort of mentality we are up against.

The kind of mentality which can only be cured by keeping air-filled hypodermic needles on one's person at all times imo.

This was passable, but (keeping in mind I've only seen most of them once) probably the most inert and dull of the Marvel movies since the first Thor, and the direction particularly without distinction, at best. And at worst, well ... worse. Might have made a better mini-movie?

Question I had: why did it take until the end for her to notice and/or do anything about the dongle behind her ear?

Question my daughter had: if they had to digitally de-age Nick Fury for this one, won't they have to make Captain Marvel digitally older in the next Avengers movie?

I have lots of other questions, too, but whatev, it's a movie.

Because up until the latter half of the movie, she thought she was Native Kree and viewed that thing as the source of her powers rather than the thing limiting the powers she acquired from the blast

I mean they literally say "that which can be given can be taken away" at the beginning

magic flying power blast people don’t age

If she does a lot of FTL travel after the movie's events, one year for her might be 25 on earth.

But she's the only one with the ear dongle, right? Or, for that matter, laser fist powers? And she never acknowledges it, does she? Or does she react to it as some sort of inhibitor in that first sparring session? I already forgot (clearly). Anyway, kind of wacky that she's just, at the end, all, well, I suppose I'll just take this thing off my neck. Pop. Also, she could blast with her fists with the dongle on, but without it she could ... blast harder? And fly? Not clear how she's the most powerful character in the MCU or whatever, anymore than Hulk or Thor or other nigh impervious creatures. I guess we'll find out?

Do they explain (or did I miss) why she and (more or less) Jude Law look human but all the other Kree are blue?

Did I see somewhere that Feige gave some explanation for why Fury wouldn't have called her earlier, for previous alien invasions and stuff?

All this stuff is not uniquely problematic or anything. This one could have been airtight and still would have been pretty dull. I really do blame the directors in this instance.

A couple of times during this I flashed back to "The Hidden." I wonder why no one has remade that one?

the problem with this movie is, it’s a story about her, but it’s not her story.

The MCU's Kree problem, I will concede, is that every single Kree depicted prior to this film has been blue. It's well established in the comics that there are both blue- and pink-skinned Kree, but yeah, it's hard to put that notion across when we only ever see one example of the latter onscreen.

And the Kree have been used extensively on Agents of SHIELD so they've had ample opportunity to establish this state of affairs before now.

who cares, there are human-looking ones

this is the stupid crap that gets chalked up as “plot holes” by fastidious idiots now but are just points not specifically spelled out

they show a Kree that looks human in Jude Law, so we know some look human. whatever!

Er, did you guys miss the fact that Djimon Hounsou's character wasn't blue either, nor was he in Guardians of the Galaxy? So clearly the Kree have a variety of skin tones.

I already forgot (clearly)

I mean this kindly, but this isn't really the movie's fault? The answer is yes, though, they establish that she thinks it's the source of her power early on (as Neanderthal said in response to your first question)

All in all, I thought this was pretty good. It was a very classic superhero origin story, with the introduction of her background, her supporting cast, her main conflict, etc. It didn't much of the tongue-in-cheek humour, where they make gentle fun of superhero and sci-fi tropes, which has been a trademark of most recent Marvel movies... But I thought that was fine. This was a fairly serious story about identity, war, and racism, so too much humour and lightness of tone wouldn't have worked.

Agree with people who said the fight scenes didn't work that well... This also suffered from the original sin of 2000s speculative fiction of making everything look pointlessly grey and darkly lit, even though the GotG and Ragnarök had already shown to glorious effect how much better sci-fi can look with loads of colour. That said, I did like the final action scene with Cap Marvel just crashing into the huge Kree warships, that was exhilarating!

I think the biggest problem with the movie wasn't the action scenes though, cos this was mostly a story-driven flick, and the main story with the Kree/Skrull war was nicely done (and I liked how they subverted the comic book readers' expectations of what the Skrull are like). I think the main flaw was that in wanting to present Carol Danvers as a good-hearted and indomitable hero, they didn't really give her any, you know, flaws. Which ultimately made Fury a more interesting and fun character in the movie than its actual protagonist.

IMO the Wonder Woman movie had the same issue, and it's kinda understandable, when you're doing your first superhero movie with a female lead, the desire to make her into a role model little girls and other fans can look up to must be strong... But that can also make her boring. The other Marvel female heroes, such as Black Widow or Scarlet Witch or Jessica Jones, were written as flawed right from the start, and that worked fine with them. And I don't mean they should just add any flaws into Cap Marvel's character as if that automatically makes it better (please don't introduce her alcoholism from the comics into the movies), but I do hope later movies will make her more rounded.

I mean this kindly, but this isn't really the movie's fault?

Every single JiC “saw this movie” post is “Pretty good! But I noted 19 glaring plot holes, and on the walk to the car my kids detailed that 12 of them were explained onscreen or never happened, but then they got fed up and refused to address any more of my observations, so here are 7 whopping plot holes that I don’t get why nobody else is talking about?”

(Followed by someone explaining six of them, and Josh going “well, I don’t remember that at all. Therefore [continues to talk about one of those six]”)

Fair enough! I still think the movie was dull, and that aspect I remember.

The only reason I bring up my kids, btw, is to share their perspective, seeing as they are ostensibly a significant intended audience of films like these. So yeah, if my 11-year old girl has an opinion or observation about a superhero movie that's partly being marketed to girls, I'm gonna share it. But I don't have to, that's cool, too.

I think we pretty much all agree this movie is "fine."

I am absolutely not discounting your kids’ contributions to the discourse!

Ha, I wish she had more to say! Though to be fair, apple doesn't fall far from the tree: when the first mid-credits sequence popped up and we see Captain America, she turned to me and whispered "who's that?"

She didn't know Black Widow, either, and yet weirdly, she did recognize Mark Ruffalo as the Hulk. Go figure. I guess it's a lot to ask anyone to keep track of all these people and plot threads across x number of movies that kicked off when she was born.

Hah, to me actually the biggest plot hole was that in the scene after Carol crashes to Earth, and she's phoning Yon-Rogg, on the background you see promo posters for various albums that came out in 1995... But there's also several shiny-and-new looking posters for Leonard Cohen's The Future, which came out in 1992, and AFAIK wasn't that successful except in Canada. So why would there still be pristine posters for it around in 1995?

huge if true

Lol

Well, it is called "The Future!" Anyway, plausible hand-wave: a couple of songs from "The Future" played a big role on the "Natural Born Killers" soundtrack, released in 1994 and curated by Trent Reznor. So there's your connective tissue!

Why were there retro '70s toys on the space lab, like an old pinball game, a Nerf gun and a Fonz lunchbox? I saw some online commentary from someone too young to know who referenced those things as among the '90s signifiers.

Oh, here's some more (this time honest) confusion from me: how did she get to earth? I thought she was captured in some other galaxy, and that the Skrulls didn't have FTL engines? At least, that's what I thought happened. When she called Jude Law from the payphone I could have sworn he mentions how far away he/she was.

The Skrulls were orbiting Earth because they knew the FTL engine was somewhere there. They just needed to pick Carol's brain to get the exact location.

Previous Marvel movies like the GotG ones have established that FTL is possible, but they need to use something called jump points, and you can't use too many in a row, so travel to other parts of the galaxy still takes time, cos the distances not covered by the jump points need to be covered with regular engines. We see Carol's team use a jump point in the beginning of the movie, and in the finale it's a plot point that it takes hours for Ronan's starships to arrive after Yon-Rogg calls them, because there is no jump point in Earth's vicinity.

Presumably a FTL engine powered by the Space Stone would allow for spaceships to travel much faster, and without relying on jump points.

" a Nerf gun" apparently that nerf gun model was introduced in 1992.

Also in the final battle Carol is clearly holding a Pred ship

Mar-Vell’s ship notably used predator-derived cloaking tech

In one of her flashbacks Carol was also shown playing the Street Fighter II arcade, even though she was kidnapped in 1989 and that game came out in 1991 or 1992, IIRC?

w/r/t pretty much everything above i think this movie might have been specifically designed to make nerds mad and for that alone it is Good

I know the Skrulls were hanging around Earth. I just wasn't sure how Carol got from that first Kree/Skrull skirmish, where she was captured, which I thought was in some other galaxy, all the way to a Skrull ship near Earth, without fast travel, since I thought the head Skrulls main issue was that his people lacked the ability to cross the Galaxy and get away from the Kree like that.

Unless It was in a Predator ship, in which case, yeah.

I know the Skrulls were hanging around Earth. I just wasn't sure how Carol got from that first Kree/Skrull skirmish, where she was captured, which I thought was in some other galaxy, all the way to a Skrull ship near Earth, without fast travel, since I thought the head Skrulls main issue was that his people lacked the ability to cross the Galaxy and get away from the Kree like that.

I explained that in my post above. Seems like they were able to use the jump points, but most likely that's risky effort, because they're not controlling the points and/or their movements could be tracked. So for a solitary mission they might take the risk, but not for trying to transport their entire diaspora.

xpost There was a xenomorph skull inside of it so ya pretty sure that's what it was.

they really need dialogue like “well, after ten hours of torture, we discovered that the macguffin is on earth. that was 12 hours ago, so we should make it there at least 20 earth hours before the kree are able to arrive”

so was I supposed to know about jump points?

they said it in the movie man

on several occasions

looks like none off the magic used in this movie actually exists irl

if you all think it's incredible I missed all this, imagine how I feel.

turn in your FOOM card at the door

(Followed by someone explaining six of them, and Josh going “well, I don’t remember that at all. Therefore [continues to talk about one of those six]”)

I enjoy that you apparently also never remember that this is how every thread goes after you watch something :)

https://i.imgur.com/zRmkOSN.jpg

well, I know that you always correct me, at least I remember that much.

Nah, I tried watching Avengers #21 last night and gave up confused ten minutes in

I am, coincidentally enough, just about to read Kree/Skrull War as part of my suuuuuuuper slow chronological Marvel read-thru project, will let u all know how it compares to this thing (not loving early Roy Thomas, so my hopes...they are not high, but I'm thanking christ that at least it isn't early Gerry Conway).

The Kree/Skrull War arc (which isn't really an "arc" in the sense we speak today, because for most of its duration the actual war is on the background and other plots are happening) is a mess, like most Roy Thomas comics. I would say he's overrated, but I dunno if anyone actually rates him these days? It also has one of the most ridiculous deus ex machina endings I've ever read; I actually thought it was cool when I first read it as a kid, but rereading it as an adult, it's just incredibly silly. I don't think the movie really used anything from that story, beyond the fact that there's a war between the Kree and the Skrull, and Captain Marvel (the original one, not Carol Danvers) is involved?

The movie owes much more to Kelly Sue DeConnick's revamp of Carol/Cap Marvel, and she and artist David Lopez (who designed Carol's new superhero look) did got a dedication in the end credits, unlike Roy Thomas and Gene Colan... I think Dan Abnett and Andy Lanning got a similar credit in the GotG movie, which also makes sense, since even though most of the characters weren't created by them, it's clearly their version of the Guardians that the movie is based on.

Though of course Marvel could and should do more to acknowledge and compensate for the original creators of the characters as well, like with Bill Mantlo and Rocket Raccoon. It's a shame they only do something when threatened with bad publicity, which the Mantlo situation obviously could've caused.

I think you mean artist Jamie McKelvie there, Tuomas - I don't remember if he's in the credits, but it's definitely his design.

she and artist David Lopez (who designed Carol's new superhero look)

I haven’t read any of these, but I’ve been under the impression (from being on message boards with him c. 2001-13) that McKelvie did the modern designs?

xpost, lol

crossref Kieron with whatever that “famous ppl who posted on ILX three times back in the day” thread was recently

Oh, ok. Since Lopez was the original artist in the revamped Cap Marvel book, I thought he also designed the new costume, but I guess it was McKelvie then. My bad.

But anyway, my main point was that even though Thomas technically created Carol Danvers, I dunno how much credit he deserves, because the current version has little to do with the character he created, and much more to with what DeConnick, as well as Claremont, did with her later on. They even included Claremont's amnesia subplot, which defined the character for a long time, even though in the movie it obviously wasn't caused by Rogue.

Heh, occurred to me that another reason (besides clearly not paying attention) that I have trouble following some of the details and beats of these films is that unlike many of you fine folks who can cite Marvel chapter and verse, as a kid in the '80s I was at best a casual comics fan. When you mention Roy Thomas, my first thought is Roy Thomas Baker, and when someone says Gerry Conway I think, the drummer from Fotheringay and Fairport Convention? I'm not sure I knew Captain Marvel at all before this movie, and only loosely knew of the Kree and Skrull by name. I didn't read any comics stuff save for maybe a short run of the X-Men (and spinoffs) and honestly forgettable stuff like the Transformers and GI Joe comics when I was maybe a bit younger. So ... yeah.

I mean...yeah, familiarity with the source material probably doesn't hurt, but they're pretty good about avoiding unnecessary intertextuality. References to the comics which might fly over the heads of casual audience members are only there as in-jokes and easter eggs for the true Zombies. And there's so much reconfiguration of that source material in the translation to the screen that one's familiarity doesn't really pay that many dividends.

(Although it is a nice treat for those in the know when e.g. the identity of Liz Allan's stepfather or the nature of the Skrulls takes a hard right from what we were expecting.)

I would advise those who were previously unfamiliar with the character to go take a peek at the Wikipedia page for Carol Danvers and see how much of a favor the filmmakers did in streamlining her painfully convoluted history 4 u.

Oh along the lines of the undermined expectations I mention, I appreciated that (unless I missed it) they waited for some time before revealing the name of Jude Law's character, which allowed those in the know to go on believing for a while that he was in fact a whole other character with whom they were familiar (and who I believe he had long been reported as portraying in the film). Because had I known, the twist would have announce itself much much earlier.

I think the big difference is that for those in the know, hearing a referenced to Admiral Dingus or whatever might cause you to pay closer attention, but for those not in the know a passing reference to an important character might vanish like a shimmering exposition mirage. I did know the Skrulls were handled differently than they were in the books, as far as I could tell. But I still had to google Ronan the Accuser (like I did with GotG?), and I still don't know why he dresses like that, carries a hammer, acts differently from the other Kree, was helping Thanos, etc. I had no idea who Jude Law's character or characters were supposed to be, in terms of Marvel mythology, other than the leader of her team.

Also Josh (since I'm just going to flood this thread now apparently), I should just note that you're far from alone. My gf has watched every single minute of MCU filmed entertainment alongside me (yes, including all of the shows...well, except for Inhumans, admittedly) and she has the same 'wait, who is that person (who's been prominently featured in five movies previous to this one)?' issues. These details are of more importance to some of us than others, and that's okay, and here's why.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAyKJAtDNCw

But I still had to google Ronan the Accuser (like I did with GotG?), and I still don't know why he dresses like that, carries a hammer, acts differently from the other Kree, was helping Thanos, etc. 

Also he was the one Jude Law was talking to in the context of him bombing the shit out of one planet - when Jude Law contacts him later in the context of him bombing the shit out of Earth, the context there is him bombing the shit out of earth.

they should have had him swing his hammer a little in the hologram and say something like “i’m gonna ally with thanos and collect some stones if this kree thing doesn’t work out!”

alternatively he could have shown his double-blades lightsaber to remind us of who he isn’t

the orange cat was everything I hoped he would be. a very fun movie!

I enjoyed this. I get that everyone wants every Marvel movie to be Ragnarok or Black Panther but... not every Marvel movie is going to be Ragnarok or Black Panther. This was solidly Good and I didn't feel like I wasted my money watching it, ergo thumbsup.jpg

agree

I bumped into a friend and his two girls in the store yesterday. I asked how their spring break was, and they said, good, they saw a lot of movies. What did you see? I asked. "Captain Marvel," one of them said. "It was pretty good!" "So tell me the truth," I said. "Would you rather see another Captain Marvel movie, or a movie just about the cat?" "The cat!" they shouted, in unison.

saw it last night. I gotta say that I feel a little disappointed that (SPOILER; altho its unlikely anyone who knows about what I'm about to mention hasn't seen the movie if they intend to) is that the Stan Lee colan creation Mar vell was not only transfigured, but was in fact present only in flashbacks (I protected myself from details of the film so well that I walked in thinking Jude Law was going to be portraying Mar vell). I have an inexplicable fondness for this character, who was not only created to field a dubious copyright claim, but was also worked on by creators who never seemed to know what to do with him. Even Jim Starlin seemed to use him for Thanos-, Eros-, Mentor- and Titan-shit that he was really interested in, and only seemed connect with the character when he got cancer in 1982.

I'm also fond of Carol Danvers, and echo Old Lunch in that the interested really should look at the wikipedia page for the character. The Avengers 200 incident involving Jim Shooter, David Michelinie et al crafting a story involving inter-dimensional rape/stockholm syndrome even made 10 year old me gobsmacked, and the subsequent Avengers annual written by Claremont is one of the more obvious examples of meta/internecine score settling in superhero shit… a few years ago, someone wrote a story about the editorial cluster fuck that resulted in this incident, and its really fascinating.. the lalte 90s Busiek/Perez run of Avengers saw her become an alcoholic, and I thought "hasn't this character gone through enough?"

In any case, from 1963 until the 2000s, Marvel never had a marquee female character a la Wonder Woman—although Jean Grey or Storm or Rogue might fit the bill— and that was a problem. There is no doubt that 15 years ago, Quesada or Jemas or Bendis or whoever decided that they had to fix this, and Carol Danvers, who had tortuous continuity and very very little in the way of genuine grass roots enthusiasm, was going to do it. Again, I like the character, but the Carol Corps as such is trying to will iconic qualities on a character who never had much support, and is thus doing Disney's bidding. Although I think its a good super hero movie, and I am gratified that enough of the character I knew in the 70s and 80s is present.

I thought the Carol Corps was specific to the Kelly Sue DeConnick version from 2012 (prior to which her profile seemed pretty low)?

I like the character but I don't think there's a been single comic with Carol Danvers in the starring role that I've really connected with. Comics-wise, she seems to work best as part of an ensemble.

"I thought the Carol Corps was specific to the Kelly Sue DeConnick version from 2012 (prior to which her profile seemed pretty low)?"

yeah that may be: I should watch what i'm talking about cuz I don't read modern superhero shit.

as far as I remember the carol corps was a grassroots thing kicked off around 2012ish (as Andrew mentioned), partially as a reaction to Marvel's inability to market their own releases in any intelligent way

I mean, it's doing Disney/Marvel a great service by building enthusiasm for a character, but (and with a resigned sigh, here) the fact is that we're in a Marvel character moment and writers/artists pushing that attention toward characters that might actually be interesting or change the landscape seems like a lesser evil

Monica Rambeau > Carol Danvers

was that ever in question?

finally saw this over the weekend, thought it was pretty meh besides samuel l., who was incredible, and the cat, who was a very good cat indeed. i also liked that the directors let mendelsohn keep his natural accent, even though none of the other skrulls sounded like they came from the planet down undah.

i'm not familiar with the comics version of carol, but it feels like she'll suffer from the superman problem, namely that they'll have to nerf her abilities for 3/4 of whatever movie she's in before unleashing the glowing CGI version for the last 1/4 of the movie. maybe the inevitable sequel will match her up against a cosmic-scale villain that would actually pose a challenge.

The inevitable sequel is out later this month, so the chances are pretty good?

im talking captain marvel 2, not MCU 22 or whatever

Oh, you mean Shazam, that's in theaters rn

i mean kazaam

critical support for comrade carol’s compassion for the plight of space palestinians

imho this movie was a good colorful fun time, kinda missing that extra sprinkle of something that would have made me really fall in love with it... whether that was a sparkle of OTT silliness and defiantly geeky world-building (e.g. aquaman, alita) or a slightly more focused emotional arc. there were little bursts of Feelings but they didn't lock together for me. i think it needed another editing pass at the script stage - the Ronan stuff serves no real purpose within the movie that couldn't be served by characters that captain marvel actually knows and has some kind of relationship with. so we end up having to duck away from the main story of the movie for an (admittedly awesome) showdown with his spaceships, and then burn time getting back to the main story, so she actually has two final showdowns with her actual main antagonist. combined with the one-too-many-times gags (e.g. everything to do with the cat) i just had a strong sense that it could have been an unbelievably fun 105-minute movie and was instead a pretty fun 125-minute movie.

and yeah the needle-drops were a problem for me. if you're going to do nostalgia and really create a "woah yeah this feels like it's back then" vibe, do it right: pick one specific summer or at least one specific year and dial into songs a little ways down the chart, ones people remember but which have actually gone away in the interim. the failure to use chumbawamba's "amnesia" is particularly unforgivable. hire me, marvel! i've got the playlists you need!

larson was interesting throughout, very different take than most of these films have for their leads. i guess playing an amnesiac with a seemingly limited interior and personal life for most of the film does present some hurdles to getting to know a character, but it was a nice change of pace from the formulaic "establish that they're brave and plucky, but also smirky and they have a problem with authority" type stuff. the very brief flashbacks to her earlier life were surprisingly effective and made it feel like a real payoff when she does finally meet back with her old friends.

the failure to use chumbawamba's "amnesia" is particularly unforgivable.

fry_take_my_money.jpg

I have literally never heard this song before in my life

(joke writes itself)

seeing sam jackson’s slightly thick-waisted nick fury in endgame really underscored what a great job they did of turning a 70-year-old man into a very creditable fit-looking fortysomething here

i hope she gets to continue being a person out of time, like a captain america who got frozen in the early 90s and is struggling with the idea of pearl jam being played on classic rock stations.

back in the late 90s in my high school comics i had this running idea of a lost predecessor high school that got sealed away in the depths back in 1991. even back then that era seemed super removed (tho of course this has a lot to do with being 18) so there could be a lot of comedy there. as a superhero she has this dope costume, by day she's wearing hypercolor looney tunes jerseys or w/e. but that would require more commitment to the idea of period style than we saw in this movie, which doesn't even bother to give the extras 90s haircuts. the "grunge outfit" gag barely even registered.

this was good, plot predictably ludicrous but all the main turns were slick, larsen in particular is a superstar, hashtagging didnt over intrude, 8/10

saw this at a drive-in on a double feature with the Avengers flick

Mendo was pretty good

mendo is never not good

Cosi was a bit of a wank tbh

He dresses like that and carries a hammer because of he's the commander of a special strike force called the Accusers. And he was working with Thanos because Thanos gave him an Infinity Stone which helped him push his own political agenda. All of this was explained in the GotG movie and this one, you don't need any knowledge of the comic book Ronan

also, Josh, I saw the first Guardians twice and the second one once and the entirety of my thought process when he turned up was "oh it's that guy that Danny Hellman made jokes about some poster on the old TCJ messageboard who worked at FBI having the same name as, and... he... works for the big space-god-monster in these or something. Or maybe not yet? w/e, bad guy."

lol double feature were you in your car for like five hours

miss the days when my friend's dad had an old van and we were allowed to sit on sleeping bags on the roof of it at the drive-in as kids