END TO END BERNERS: The Official Bernie Sanders 2020 Crew thread

Get in here, bros

If Bernie could make it through the primary (massive if) then I’d put money on him in the general.

IT'S OFFICIAL DAD IS RUNNING pic.twitter.com/eisSCAJgdt

— Secular Talk (@KyleKulinski) February 19, 2019

calling up all my bros from online to get in formation defending our dadhttps://t.co/N3acgEo3K6

— listen to VanderPod (@kath_krueger) February 19, 2019

https://jacobinmag.com/2019/01/bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren-democratic-primary-baffler-amber-frost

http://i68.tinypic.com/30su553.jpg

I Love Politics. Now more than ever.

https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/56f6ae4e6063d28f5eb0b399/master/pass/bernie-sanders-bird.jpg

these are the facts whether you want to believe it or not

young people in this country OVERWHELMINGLY voted for Bernie Sanders pic.twitter.com/ulYYQgrjaY

— architect (@TheNewThinkerr) February 19, 2019

All other issues aside, I'll heartily endorse anything that gets us closer to one day having a nonagenarian president. The older the better, I say.

all I want for this election cycle is for bernie to get heavily into steroids and punch ben shapiro’s head clean off his body at a live debate event before announcing that cm punk is his vp pick

I'm sorry but I think "Four years of Larry David on SNL" is a knock-down final argument in favor of Bernie if anyone is on the fence

— Nathan J Robinson (@NathanJRobinson) February 19, 2019

ha!

wait a second, another political thread?!?!?! *madly shuffles papers around and slips on a banana peel*

Bernie announces! Finally! pic.twitter.com/NCt1qWfVk8

— Katie Halper (@kthalps) February 19, 2019

wrong version of Finally tho!

Not sure if i prefer warren or bernie, but i think bernie will get the nomination, honestly.

Harris v Sanders seems like what it'll come down to

A very early test for Bernie is if he and his surrogates speak out, loudly and repeatedly, against supporters doling out online abuse in his name. If he/they do, he’s serious about being more than a purist spoiler. If not...

— Clara Jeffery (@ClaraJeffery) February 19, 2019

lmao

this is going to be a wonderful year

Good to see Clara “dapper white nationalist” concerned about civility this early in the game!

This was doing the rounds on some parts of Irish twitter:

For the day that's in it.

Bernie Sanders' letter to Margaret Thatcher re the Maze hunger strikers. pic.twitter.com/euUN8LB2Xa

— Richard Chambers (@newschambers) February 19, 2019

I pet Griffin. He is 3 months old and a Bernedoodle. He likes meeting new people and dogs. Griffin’s hobbies are digging in flower beds, and chewing shoes. His caregiver says he is as naughty as he is cute. pic.twitter.com/yAp9G0eu4v

— I've Pet That Dog (@IvePetThatDog) February 19, 2019

Every photo of him he’s looking more insane and unhinged than the last

Insane and unhinged?

if you think about it, this is just recycling the money i earned from doing harassment back into the campaign pic.twitter.com/G5l4eiV4CN

— Virgil Texas (@virgiltexas) February 20, 2019

:)

if he gets the nomination, i cannot fucking wait to watch him debate trump. i feel like trump is legitimately frightened of bernie

weren't they supposed to debate in 2016 then trump got cold feet?

Let’s get this started! Bernie’s haters can’t engage his ideas so they pretend all of his supporters are straight, white, men & invisibleize everyone else. This is what a #bernieBro looks like. #JustAnotherBernieBro #bernieBros pic.twitter.com/tnS8weH7LI

— Katie Halper (@kthalps) February 19, 2019

Xpost

It is really funny how Warren’s bid has Trump letting loose a torrent of racist insanity and Bernie’s announcement has him like:

“Personally, I think he missed his time ... I wish Bernie well. It will be interesting to see how he does."

Please God

Be on Bernie's side this time

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/640/cpsprodpb/0C99/production/_88952230_88952229.jpg

birds for bernie

❤️

maybe this will encourage Hillary to nominate

I have my large sock o' manure ready for all uses of "purist/ty"

im excited

The Federalist asked me to write a piece on why Bernie is the strongest Democratic candidate, so that's what I did https://t.co/wCoAOqZdT7

— Michael Tracey (@mtracey) February 19, 2019

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dreamboat

and if the federalist asked you to jump off a cliff...

Usually when I wake up I get a few laughs on all that has been going in the US politics timeline. And its even crazier and funnier this morning.

brexit

That's my timeline from 9am, and its funny too

Bernie Sanders’s 24 hour haul: 223,047 individuals gave $5,925,771.

Average: $27

— Shane Goldmacher (@ShaneGoldmacher) February 20, 2019

The 27 Club

I think Bernie should tell the less onerous dems who are running to stop and support him. Then give them some positions in the cabinet and make the go to Sanders School one day each week to actually understand the issues and learn the politics. #BERNIE2020 @janeosanders

— RoseAnn DeMoro (@RoseAnnDeMoro) February 16, 2019

There seems to be a media black out on @TulsiGabbard

— RoseAnn DeMoro (@RoseAnnDeMoro) February 17, 2019

I'm gonna really commit myself to being civil and patient in my discussions of Bernie with Bernie-skeptics/Bernie-haters. But man, it's hard. Blood pressure already up today from trying to discuss this shit.

Nerdstrom is anti-nurses union, what a surprise

I like that lady, head of the California Nurses union and guest of the Sanders Institute. Completely psycho.

Those crazy women

threadban Nerdstrom plz

She was Bern or Bust and said Trump might get us Single Payer because his wife is European.

Also In the second tweet there she’s commiserating w Nazi Cassandra Fairbanks over Tulsi’s lack of media coverage.

“Anti Nurses Union” lol.

We get it Nerdstrom, you believe your opinions of her should trump the Nurses' right to organize and to support candidates.

Imagine not being able to say “she’s bad”. Imagine being in that self parody mental place,

I'm sure you'd call male union leaders "psycho" too right?

Maybe they should get someone who isn’t a fascist enabling piece of shit by any objective measure to lead them? Feel free to join in me praying that they do.

Yes, I have this weird belief that fighting for labor rights is more important than whether she made bad tweets. But I can see how in your comfy life online is the only thing that matters.

Xpost yeah obviously. Nice try to deflect from owning the shorty person tho

*shitty

Hahaha you’re trying to negate sokeone’s indefensible positions as “bad tweets” to avoid owning or condemning them. Wow

She didn’t endorse the person running against the fascist by saying Trump might give you Single Payer haha

you're a shitty person

also I'm not going to condemn your weird babbled version of I don't know what you're even talking about that you didn't even link to

Look at you cloaking that in “I’m all about labor rights”

Trump said he will guarantee #healthcare to ALL through a government funded plan - that's the definition of #SinglePayer! #fridayfeeling #1u pic.twitter.com/s4ZFEWZ1vY

— RoseAnn DeMoro (@RoseAnnDeMoro) January 6, 2017

Oh, so she lobbied the president and tried to get a policy passed? I guess Chuck Schumer is a nazi then.

“He’s a businessman, he has an international perspective — and his wife comes from a country where they have single payer,’’

https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2017/01/political-powerful-nurses-union-head-im-counting-on-trump-for-real-health-care-reform-108511

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/11/schumer-and-pelosi-have-a-plan-to-make-trump-popular.html

“As President-elect Trump indicated last night, investing in infrastructure is an important priority of his,” announced Nancy Pelosi. “We can work together to quickly pass a robust infrastructure jobs bill.”

another "psycho" I guess

Xpost Nah that doesn’t work

I appreciate the thread title reference.

whatever she said in January 2017, she just tweeted Bernie's quote that Trump is a racist sexist homophobe. But you're not arguing in good faith so I'm going to stop there.

I can’t follow this discussion but please stop having it in my Bernie thread

I appreciate the thread title reference.

srsly Nerdstrom isn't there any way you can just continue shitting up the candidates thread and leave this to people who support Bernie in good faith

I support Bernie too. But in the better way.

No he's way too miserable a human being to do that xp

our 7 year old is a Berner. He wants to add "send Donald Trump to Mars with no space suit" to Bern's space exploration platform.

xp
if you support Bernie why are you posting these dubious tweets?

little omar little otm

srsly Nerdstrom isn't there any way you can just continue shitting up the candidates thread and leave this to people who support Bernie in good faith

― I want to change my display name (dan m), Wednesday, 20 February 2019 18:08 (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

wait

i thought this was the thread for bad faith berniebro coverage

is the idea that anyone favourable to bernie has to leave the actual dem nom thread

i must have missed some procedural meetings around here but that seems pretty shitty presumption

Pretty impressive.

is the idea that anyone favourable to bernie has to leave the actual dem nom thread

i must have missed some procedural meetings around here but that seems pretty shitty presumption

― ɪmˈpəʊzɪŋ (darraghmac), Wednesday, February 20, 2019 1:16 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It's just a thread for Bernie fans to bern one. There's lots of other threads for people who want to argue

is the idea that anyone favourable to bernie has to leave the actual dem nom thread

― ɪmˈpəʊzɪŋ (darraghmac), 20. februar 2019 19:16 (twenty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yes please

can we get a US voters only thread

anyone who is not a registered US voter can be sponsored for thread participation

yes but ye have to fuckin stay there

ty for clarification whiney

sorry darragh, I already sponsored you

can we get a US voters only thread

― mh, 20. februar 2019 19:52 (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yes but ye have to fuckin stay there

― ɪmˈpəʊzɪŋ (darraghmac), 20. februar 2019 19:54 (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Lol, I would agree

Fred did you ever get the feeling that discovering america was a misstep on st brendans part

You mean Leif Erikson? But yes, he should have stayed in Norway, and Norway should have stayed in Denmark, obviously.

look fellas, you don't have to convince me that the 'new world' was a mistake

this is how u win pal pic.twitter.com/XNDeVB2mGZ

— Relatable Brand (@InternetHippo) February 20, 2019

I think this was a bad idea for a thread tbh

Cool, go post about basketball

this is a good idea for a thread made not as good by the existence of fred and nerd

I don't belong on this thread but that internet hippo post has had me lol'ing for ten minutes

Fuck, I thought that was the actual Sanders tweet.

I think this was a bad idea for a thread tbh

― k3vin k., Wednesday, February 20, 2019 2:12 PM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Cool, go post about basketball

― ebro the letter (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, February 20, 2019 2:21 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i need sitewide mod privs so i can yellowcard whiney rn

whiney go on ILH

coincidentally, is bernie the only declared candidate who balls?

Since nobody was doing it, I made @BernieSanders the And1 mixtape he deserves. pic.twitter.com/uIAgASktjs

— Kyle Clauss (@KyleClauss) February 20, 2019

tired: debates
wired: one on one

Did Obama ever let Biden play in his pickup games?

he had to be designated survivor

the presence of this thread title near the top of the ILX page has meant i keep hearing this tune in my head

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGrdWwYE77c

not really a problem.

both ends bernie-ing

Hahaha she thinks this

Bezos owns Amazon and the WaPo. Bernie forced Bezos to give thousands of workers raises. The billionaire brat is angry.

— RoseAnn DeMoro (@RoseAnnDeMoro) February 21, 2019

this nerdstrom guy is fred right?

― k3vin k.

wild: bernie losing the nomination gave trump the 2016 election as his supporters refused to united behind hillary

mild: bernie winning the nomination will give trump the 2020 election as he is unable to united the party and non-bernie supporters won't unite behind him

Get out of my thread

this thread could use some skot-bombing

Get out of my thread

― ebro the letter (Whiney G. Weingarten),

Apologies, it wasnt not a good post - Can a mod replace my post with kool and the gang celebration vid?

I actually have a new and more serious theory regarding nerdstrom's provenance but I need to collect more data

d:{|

is that the “gear’s roommate’s fuckbuddy” emoticon?

trucker hat imo

Nerdstrom and Fred:

🙏 pic.twitter.com/JM1faISU0w

— Relatable Brand (@InternetHippo) February 21, 2019

lol:

https://i.imgur.com/LAs5csn.jpg

I’m gonna vote for him.

MAGA parodies aren’t the best idea but I’m sure the actual campaign will come up w something better

i just think "visualize presidents' day 2021" is the stupidest thing. president's day isn't a day for celebrating whoever's president currently.

that's generally called Inauguration Day

me, presidents' day 2021: "sweet, another day off in my march towards death"

I am excited to endorse @BernieSanders for our next President of the United States.

Bernie has spent his career fighting for working people and standing up to corporations and special interests.

He has the grassroots energy and the vision to inspire voters across America. pic.twitter.com/uG4dEJ9GUa

— Ro Khanna (@RoKhanna) February 21, 2019

Ro endorsing already

Cool, one of his campaign co-chairs was rooting for Trump to win. Really winning over the people who soured on him in 2016. https://t.co/Trawg8x7Pa

— The only Simpsons fan on this site (@agraybee) February 22, 2019

Not for the last time, I ask, who cares? Is Turner running?

You may not get this but there are some people who viewed Trump and the GOP winning as a bad thing with significantly negative consequences. There are people who were serious about not seeing that happen. Saying “who cares” about this too nakedly telegraph that you’re not one of these people.

It’s potentially too big an ask for Democrats to back him unless he rectifies it. At the very least he should be made to justify it. No one gets to complain if he doesn’t get support now.

He needed to get rid of people like Turner if he was serious about this campaign.

its great that Ro is endorsing but I think it probably makes more sense for AOC to hang fire for now and endorse later into it (if she decides to of course! may be decide not to endorse any particular candidate, which is also fair enough!)

I'm sure tens of Americans are furious about Nina Turner being on his staff.

Cool, one of his campaign co-chairs was rooting for Trump to win.

Once Bernie's campaign for the nomination was done, how much did he pay this campaign co-chair to chair his non-existent campaign in favor of Trump, that's the dirty secret I want to know. Because if Bernie wasn't behind this person's endorsement of Trump, then obviously as soon as he discovered what this person was saying, Bernie should have beaten this person until they cried for mercy and would sign any recantation he put in front of them. That's how we should expect real leaders to act.

Never mind that Bernie himself publically and frequently endorsed Hillary after she won the nomination and never said one word about wanting Trump to win, we can easily see his true adherence to Trumpism shining through in his secretly bankrolling this campaign co-chair to endorse Trump.

I don’t know how many people care but this means we don’t get to complain if Dems don’t back him now.

Bernie was a good surrogate for Hillary and her campaign should have put him on tv more. He just has some people like this in his orbit for whatever reason and hand-waiving something like this away isn’t justifiable

The vast majority of Dems were never at risk of doing that. xp

No one gets to complain if he doesn’t get support now.

― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, February 21, 2019 10:47 PM (twenty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

literally just died of laughter. my parents will be devastated--how dare you

this means we don’t get to complain if Dems don’t back him now.

I love it when you talk baby talk.

Turner did not endorse Trump in any way afaict. Even in the same interview excerpted upthread, she also said "the Democratic platform is the more progressive platform by far; the Democrats have the stronger ideas".

It’s fine I guess. None of his stans are gonna act baffled and angry by people not wanting to vote for him probably

Did she endorse the democrat running against Trump? Or did she make a point of not doing that on national television just before the election?

http://file3.answcdn.com/answ-cld/image/upload/f_jpg,w_672,c_fill,g_faces:center,q_70/v1/tk/view/cew/deb6232b/5df11d3ace4179125751fa2c58143f02869c7634.jpeg

😍

He needed to get rid of people like Turner if he was serious about this campaign.

― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, 22 February 2019 03:48 (forty-nine minutes ago) Permalink

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/68/e0/4e/68e04efb37c62af2ece4f56f4ddcca9b.jpg

There is the possibility Bernie might die peacefully in his sleep during all this and we want to be able to remember him in a good way. The conspiracy theories his stans would likely embrace after that would be brutal though

https://media.giphy.com/media/9LQs7LtruQR2g/giphy.gif

wtf @ nerdstrom's last post

honestly astounding he hasn’t been banned yet. ilx is getting soft in our old age

https://images.findagrave.com/photos/2011/23/51127166_129591024508.jpg

https://www.racenet.com.au/horse/flagpost

xps

I regret that I have but one FP to give in service to Daddy Bern.

I pray to god it doesn’t happen but Whiney’s thread here has seemed by dominated by posts where people are indirectly voicing their worries over this (let’s face it) plausible course of events. I thought I could offer folks a sense relief of being the first to say it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zSRkr1nQNw

What is it that people are indirectly voicing their worries over re: bernie?

77 is pretty old but i think he might be the best option anyway.

Oh Anvil...you know what? Don’t worry about it.

textbook concern trolling

^^

77 is pretty old but i think he might be the best option anyway.

I'm not always so good at picking up things that are inferred rather than stated! People mention it but I don't see what the issue is, isn't that what the VP is for?

for sure. also, like, anyone can die at any time and you can't plan your life based on worst case scenarios.

he's only 77 for the coveted ilx endorsement

Ok I honestly don’t care who we ban at this point but surely we can ban someone

77 isn't that old! Healthy people live long!

Queen Elizabeth is 92!

that's only 23 in 12ft lizzard years

I pray to god it doesn’t happen but

― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, February 22, 2019 12:10 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

what the actual fuck is wrong with you

Xpost okay thanks Whiney that’s a good frame of reference and that makes me feel a little bit better.

Also another thing that might help put it in perspective is to think of all the people you probably know irl as well as the people you see when you leave the house everyday who are 77 and older, it’s really not small.

re NIna Turner!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gydtjjZHYBE

It's lucky we have you to instruct us about what it means to be 77 years old. Truly a public service.

Nerdstrom hopes to grow up to be David Brock (if u don't get DP's ref, google it)

Bernie's a little bit nutty and a little bit slutty. https://t.co/3IiFNJJsio

— Dennis Perrin (@DennisThePerrin) February 20, 2019

Xpost Well granted you and Morbs are closer to it than most but others found somewhat helpful I think

Can someone explain to Anvil what the NRA is?

why don't you come sit with me at my upcoming radiation treatment, fucker?

Nope. We are fuckity fuck fuck fucked.

— Dennis Perrin (@DennisThePerrin) July 30, 2016

as always

https://media2.giphy.com/media/vFcbL8kN6KUq4/giphy.gif?cid=19f5b51a5c6f9e667746566177a538e3

we were fucked if your auntie won, btw, just more slowly

https://giphy.com/gifs/mtvawards-2018-mtv-movie-and-tv-awards-4EFfHs9DzqA73tFQp8

Congrats you earned one of my rare fps

I fp’s nerdstrom last week. He was mocking a poster’s personal misfortune. Still, i felt bad.

Three minutes' googling: In 1989 Bernie Sanders celebrated glasnost for "dealing honestly with [the USSR's] sordid history which had been covered up for decades by official lies."https://t.co/lW4Zt8zy6y
IT IS AMAZING that the dumbest writer alive is writing opinions at the NYT!! https://t.co/HnV32gD7Lu

— Eli Valley (@elivalley) February 22, 2019

I appreciate the thread title reference.

― Yelploaf, Wednesday, February 20, 2019 12:04 PM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

― ebro the letter (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, February 20, 2019 12:06 PM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I appreciate the thread title reference.

:)
― ebro the letter (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, February 20, 2019 12:06 PM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it was one of my best DNs

― end to end berners (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, May 9, 2011 1:42 PM (seven years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Aw man

is bret stephens an idiot, incredibly lazy, or just fundamentally disingenuous? (or all three?)

imagine being that much of a waste of space and having the smug feeling of being smart and meritorious because you pick up a paycheck from the grey lady.

everything is subjective except for the paycheck man

The guy who helped me at the Apple Store Genius Bar the other day for near 2 hours was 81 fwiw.

And roughly half the people in there (employee-customers both) were well into their 70s I think.

was this apple store adjacent to a hipster coffee shop by any chance?

Ah the Jacob Wohl thing that’s hilarious

I still think David Brock is a GOP plant

he sucks

People love to say Bernie is "divisive" which is a way of trying to make "I don't like him" sound objective. It's straight out of the anti-Obama playbook.

Hiring a campaign advisor that didn’t endorse the Democrat who ran against Trump shouldn’t be seen as divisive.

People were mad at me for bringing that up but here we go, whining and crying that some people say he’s divisive. You can’t have it both ways my dude.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/38116553c1ba1b9f0e4fbc7673b22622/tenor.gif?itemid=6129449 https://tiyatrolar.com.tr/files/activity/t/trom/gallery/436/trom-436.jpg

https://s.s-bol.com/imgbase0/imagebase3/large/FC/4/8/6/3/1001004011173684.jpg

Haha you’re in here going “wah people say he’s divisive why?” I don’t know, man the Nina Turner thing is a perfect answer to your question hth.

i keep reading "tina turner" and thinking that's a pretty badass choice for a campaign manager

Hahaha Tina Turner could you imagine?!

Tina Turner is a tax exile. God damn it, Bernie!

xp Bobby Hill has put on some weight.

We all know now that, when your opinion is challenged as being based in inaccuracies of fact, or as placing carefully selected facts into a highly biased framing, the best defense is to become as aggressively offensive as possible and to repeatedly double down on your original assertions without modifying them in any way. We know this because we see the man occupying the highest position in the most powerful country on earth doing it every day. Can we blame Nerdstrom for emulating him?

Undying loyalty to the democratic party is not a virtue.

It’s good to bring in people who came in from outside that system. The whole thing is absurd. The party is supposed to be a big tent with a number of voices and bernie is helping to make it that.

I thought you agreed to post less

Can we blame Nerdstrom

Yes. Always yes.

Fuck off sleeve

you are such an asshole

Treesh, you're better off letting everyone figure that out for themselves.

yo everyone just chill and bern one

it's not normal behavior to constantly badger one person because you subtly disagree with something about how they express themselves. this is a public forum not sleeve's living room

srsly chill

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCHHHAeSBvY

“when your opinion is challenged as being based in inaccuracies of fact, or as placing carefully selected facts into a highly biased framing,”

Aim, few if ever barely do this is on here. If you noticed they get mad and call for the mods

Look to yourself and let the others do as they do.

“It’s good to bring in people who came in from outside that system”

The problem is that hiring the lady who didn’t think it was important to stop the facist president now means that we no standing to vet other candidates for things like “they met with banker” “talked about bipartisianship” “didn’t have a great voting record 10 years ago” etc

*have no standing

have another drink

The problem is that hiring the lady who didn’t think it was important to stop the facist president now means that we [have] no standing to vet other candidates for things like “they met with banker” “talked about bipartisianship” “didn’t have a great voting record 10 years ago” etc

I can read all the words, but they don't make any sense.

Apart from most of us being US voters and therefore able to bestow or withhold our votes on any grounds we happen to use, what "standing" do we need? As for criticizing candidates, Fred proves that even US citizenship is unnecessary. All you're really talking about is how persuasive you might think a criticism might be for others, but I think that when it comes to being persuaded or not, those others have the final say and whatever conclusions you draw upon a critic's "standing" are relevant only for you.

Dems like Nerd would've used a gun to our heads to make us vote for HRC, be it in DC or NY

(btw i really don't give a fuck who campaigns employ until a crime has been committed)

thought this was a meme thread but apparently it's another one of the 'we are doing serious important political work itt!!!!!' threads :( fuck bernie :(

The problem is that hiring the lady who didn’t think it was important to stop the facist president now means that we no standing to vet other candidates for things like “they met with banker” “talked about bipartisianship” “didn’t have a great voting record 10 years ago” etc

― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, February 22, 2019 2:51 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

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https://i.imgflip.com/2udtu7.jpg

"i have just two questions: do you know if the warranty covers damage to the power cord, and in what year were you born?"

https://twitter.com/stellaaaa/status/1098105608195039232?s=19

Oh damn, they locked up their acct

He brought up how old he was Gummy, I didn’t have to ask.

Bernie, are you f-ing kidding me! if you buy the Trump, Bolton, Abrams, Rubio line, “humanitarian intervention” and collude in the destruction of Venezuela, you cannot be credible candidate for President of the USA. Or, maybe you can, maybe you’re the perfect stooge for the 1 %.

— Roger Waters (@rogerwaters) February 23, 2019

Us and them

Where does Gilmour stand?

Here's @BernieSanders showing how you talk to middle school students about climate change. In 1987. pic.twitter.com/RvA8ouELgM

— People for Bernie (@People4Bernie) February 23, 2019

Pink Floyd are cool now.

BREAKING: bernie's shock-troops are amassing ahead of an all-out assault aimed at turning america into vuvuzela

Breaking: In just six days, 1 million people have already signed on to support our campaign. We are just getting started. pic.twitter.com/2p6gljH2vT

— Bernie Sanders (@BernieSanders) February 25, 2019

does anyone have comparative numbers vs other campaigns? one million volunteers signed up this quickly does seem like an awful lot, particularly in this crowded a field

Everyone who was on his mailing list from the last election got contacted again so it makes sense.

yeah contacted again like 50 times

So... 50 donations I trust?

$27 each

doesn't have tone $27 each as long as they average to $27

This made me realize that one cannot block spam text messages since these come from different numbers all the time.

what if we ship bernie to venezuela

he'd come back

...a hero! #sendbernietovenezuela

http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-LZ942_SANDER_G_20160107143257.jpg

berner-relevant content re: media bias

In this public News Brief, "Let's Relitigate the Shit Out of 2016" we relitigate the shit out of 2016 and discuss what the media's coverage of previous Democratic primaries can tell us about 2020. With guest @thomasfrank_ https://t.co/JIok4se4Nj

— Citations Needed (@CitationsPod) February 28, 2019

imagine sitting there with this one

https://splinternews.com/bernie-sanders-vs-meghan-mccain-was-a-clash-for-the-ag-1832991366

why did i just click on that content-farm link?

Know what would have been great? If Bernie had replied to McCain "why in the world would I solicit the advice of the least popular Democratic nominee of all time?" That would have been great television.

forget McCain, imagine having to listen to Joy Behar and Whoopi

Everyone who was on his mailing list from the last election got contacted again so it makes sense.

― Yerac, Monday, 25 February 2019 18:47 (five days ago) Permalink

I got into a text argument with one of the "Our Revolution" folks because I never signed up to be on their list — they totally scraped Bernie's.

more like your revolution, am i right?

the people have spoken

https://i.redd.it/2jug28bp7sj21.jpg

Palin feels the Bern

EXPOSED: Bernie Plans To SLASH Military Funds To Fund Socialist Agenda https://t.co/KmP9alwVb7

— Sarah Palin (@SarahPalinUSA) March 3, 2019

Lol, the secret has been exposed.

how does she get to use the "governorpalin" domain name after quitting 2 years in

get ready for some Fox frothing over this, I guess

Holy shit. Destiny Harris––of #NoCopAcademy ––is speaking serious truth about struggle in Chicago, and that she believes Bernie will fight for her. I can't think of another candidate who'd have her open for them. #BernieInChicago pic.twitter.com/GcVkNVeBzk

— Zachary Siegel (@ZachWritesStuff) March 4, 2019

Clinton flack lies about Sanders' speech

https://theintercept.com/2019/03/03/msnbc-yet-again-broadcasts-blatant-lies-this-time-about-bernie-sanders-opening-speech-and-refuses-to-correct-them/

Last night w/Iranian friends: disc of their fathers coming home bloody in the 70s who now regret their role in the revolution. One committed suicide in shame. They likened revolutionary “idealism” to that of Bernie fans, saying they too (bloody or not) will regret their support.

— Virginia Heffernan (@page88) March 7, 2019

holy shit

centrist libs are the most dangerous extremists we have

she has always been a true artist of the form

Ross Douthat...otm?

With Sanders officially in the race, the reasons for bullishness have grown. Whether he is technically the front-runner or not depends on how you assess the impressive poll numbers of the undeclared Joe Biden: Are those a real signifier that the Democratic Party’s moderate wing is ready to have the former vice president as its champion, or just an artifact of name recognition that will collapse once Biden starts having to answer for his record?

But every normal metric makes Sanders a front-runner, and a stronger-looking candidate than all his declared rivals: His fund-raising is impressive, his crowds are big, and his early poll numbers give him both the expected 20-25 percent floor and room to grow. (In the weekend’s poll of Iowa, he would claim almost a third of Biden’s supporters if the ex-vice president decided not to run.) And he’s facing a field sufficiently large that the advantages of having a core of unshakable supporters are likely to be magnified.

Meanwhile his campaign so far is suggestive of the ways — again, like Reagan — that a long history of ideological extremism can actually be helpful to a presidential candidate. Precisely because Sanders is a known quantity, because nobody doubts his commitment to left-wing policies, there may be less pressure on his campaign to embrace every idea floated by reporters or touted by activists. (It’s probably a good sign, for instance, that he was just attacked from the left by Julián Castro for insufficient zeal on reparations.)

Nor does he need to adopt the strident tone of younger would-be revolutionaries or the politicians pandering to them to prove his socialist bona fides. As the conservative writer Ben Domenech noted recently, “the truth is that Sanders, despite his socialist label, seems to have a less harsh vision of politics than many others within the party.” Because his record is what it is, he won’t always have to be the most zealous candidate on stage — and like Reagan, he might even be able to promise certain kinds of moderation while keeping his base secure in his fundamentally revolutionary intentions.

https://t.co/x0YIWEUVJa

Conservatives say "Bernie will have won", pt 2

Be under no illusions. The 77-year-old Senator from Vermont — the man who tried to bring Sandinista radio to Burlington, and the runner-up to Madame Smart Power for the Democratic nomination in 2016 — may very well be our next president. Bernie can win.

Some have said that Sanders overperformed in the 2016 Democratic primary because Hillary Clinton is a uniquely bad candidate. (Well, Rich Lowry has said that.) Sanders would fade under closer scrutiny. If it seems like he’s a real contender to grab the nomination, people will research the weird things he said in the 1970s and 1980s. Or they’ll get more accustomed to his personal quirks and affect. And then he’ll fade. A gap between the austerity of his democratic-socialist politics and his relatively comfortable personal lifestyle will overwhelm him.

My response: Where have you been the last four years? Polished candidates are out. Candid candidates are in. Voters can and will forgive their politicians almost any verbal lapses, so long as they believe the candidate doesn’t hate them. Sanders has the manners not to talk about huge swathes of the American public with disdain or contempt. We know he won’t repeat Mitt Romney’s “takers” moment. But, crucially, while Sanders will denounce racism and divisiveness, he won’t imply that Trump’s supporters are economically useless “deplorables.” Bernie is not “intersectional” — at least, not in the alienating way. His declared enemies are the millionaires and billionaires who buy up public policy. He will not be tempted, as some other candidates may be, to mimic or adopt the young-lefty-media views on intersectionality that remain avant-garde and alienating to key swing constituencies.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/03/dont-laugh-bernie-can-win/

Conservatives always lie. If they say they think Bernie could have won, what they mean is they absolutely think he couldn't have (I think they're wrong about that, but still).

It comes from the same place as "As a republican, I would consider voting for Amy Klobuchar <or insert centrist Dem here>"-- like, of course they'd do no such thing! They're just pushing rhetoric that makes it more likely that they'll face a candidate they think will lose to trump in the general.

I'm not sure about that in either of these cases tbh

no impugning douthat's honesty itt please

idk obv douthat is a freak but I don't think it's that weird that he might genuinely think he can win

I didn't read the douthat thing, was responding to the National Review article

douthat's not a conservative, he's a garden variety idio

't' lmfao

the new episode of citations needed out today seems relevant to this discussion

It’s a trope that dates back more than a decade, but the rise of Sen. Bernie Sanders and Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has seen a recent resurgence in the liberal’s “Inexplicable Republican Best Friend,” a specific genre of concern trolling where a long-time Republican operative, politician or pundit offers supposedly well-intentioned “advice” to Democrats about how they can win elections, which always relies on avoiding veering “too far left.”

These takes––frequently featured as earnest appeals in liberal and centrist outlets––are ostensibly framed as straight-talk advice that should be accepted as objectively in the Democrats’ best interest, and never presented as an ideological argument that would otherwise make sense coming from a right-winger. “Republican hates socialism” isn’t that newsworthy, whereas “GOP operative identifies Democrats’ best interests" somehow is. As with most ideological scams, it only travels in one direction: leftward. One seldom hears liberals or leftists give “advice” to Republicans about they ought to do to win.

But somehow the inverse isn’t true. Anti-choice, climate change denying, racist, rape apologist, warmongering, overpaid mercenary GOP “strategists” are treated like objective, neutral voices simply looking out for the best interests of the people and institutions they’ve spent their entire careers trying to destroy.

Trying to divine motivations seems like a waste of time. Maybe that it’s being written by a Republican should encourage you to read critically but honestly you should be reading everyone critically no matter how they identify.

electoral advice from a member of a rival party, particularly in the form of an open letter, is to be disregarded, not read critically or at all

if a republican has genuine advice for democratic presidential candidates, they could write them directly. publishing it in the open is done with the intention of shifting the discourse toward their end

Fuck off, Beto

otoh I think Beto running will help Bernie

the Bideto vote will split

Just kinda wondering where putting a Jewish mans face inside a bank vault surrounded by piles of money falls into our current debate? pic.twitter.com/lUMaHwsVfF

— Andrew Lawrence (@ndrew_lawrence) March 6, 2019

socialism is being poor and the poorer you are the more socialister it is

Big ol' piece on the inner workings of the campaign and stuff

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/04/bernie-sanders-2020-presidential-race.html

Is it normal for the times to sound out a person’s regional accent pic.twitter.com/W5pGWaFDQc

— Nando (@nandorvila) April 11, 2019

about damn time

Bernie switched back into 80s public access mode and hosted a panel on poverty in Greenville, SC, than included local organizers, Danny Glover, and Cornel West

https://YouTube.com/watch?v=_keGO9K_-nY

Bernie Sanders talks felon voting at Ft. Worth, TX rally today: "I was roundly criticized for this, but you know what, once you begin taking away somebody’s right to vote, you are moving down a slippery slope. You committed a crime, you can’t vote. You’re poor, you can’t vote." pic.twitter.com/pAHMmSqUwO

— David Wright (@DavidWright_CNN) April 25, 2019

a reminder that (to different degrees) all pols suck

Sen. Bernie Sanders says he "does not fault Trump" in his handling of North Korea in an exclusive interview with @ABC's @jonkarl: "It is very, very difficult, but clearly they are a threat to the planet."

See more Sunday on @ThisWeekABC. https://t.co/hlSZblfiyd pic.twitter.com/qNt5qf7PRE

— ABC News (@ABC) May 4, 2019

When’s the next round of town halls, anyway? We got like a month plus till the first debate

biden running has me going super-saiyan bernie bro

Yeah, Biden is absolutely fucking everything up

And we're def past the the Howard Dean days where a "gaffe" has any chance of derailing your campaign. We're gonna be stuck with dude even if he's videotaped groping Lady Liberty in New York Harbor

might skim some trump voters with that though

taibbi:

In the Trump era, “crossing the aisle” is about as popular among blue-state intelligentsia as scabies or snuff films. No effort to court the Fox audience is considered kosher. In a year when Democrats officially cut off Fox as a debate broadcaster, Sanders’ decision to do the town hall was a political act in itself. Did it accomplish anything?

“Fox was kind enough to let us write an editorial after that,” Sanders says. “I think there are a few people who watched who are working two to three jobs, who have nothing set aside for retirement, and they’re wondering: Who cares about us? Do Democrats care about us? Do Republicans care about us?”

He pauses. “I think there are some working-class people out there who will say, ‘I don’t agree with Sanders about everything, but he’s right.’ ”

Whether or not you believe his pitch will work depends a lot on whether you think Trump’s voters were misled, or whether they read him loud and clear and voted out of racial and cultural resentment rather than the economic issues Sanders holds dear.

i don't think i agree with this. a lot of clinton's problems in these regions had to do with turnout. he didn't overperform in the midwest as much as clinton underperformed iirc.

I think that means you agree with it

Like whether they were misled or read him loud and clear, they still were inspired enough to pokemon go to the polls

hello bernie buds, cant wait for yall to come on over to the warren wagon, god bless

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/18/us/bernie-sanders.html

god this reporter is a fucking idiot

and of course liberal twitter is full of morons complaining that he was "rude" to her, because apparently at least some of the resistance is more offended by the very existence of bernie sanders than by fucking death squads

The US committed state terrorism against Central America in the 1980s. Worse than Saddam. Worse than Milosevic. Bernie Sanders was on the right side. The NYTimes -- surprise! -- was on the terrorist side. I remember it well. https://t.co/qtWKxSkO0n

— Dennis Perrin (@DennisThePerrin) May 18, 2019

Bravo to Sanders for snapping.

Lol <3:

You do recall hearing those chants? I think the wire report has them saying, “Here, there, everywhere, the Yankee will die.”

They were fighting against American —— Huh huh —— yes, what is your point?

I wanted to ——

Are you shocked to learn that there was anti-American sentiment?

My point was I wanted to know if you had heard that.

I don’t remember, no. Of course there was anti-American sentiment there. This was a war being funded by the United States against the people of Nicaragua. People were being killed in that war.

Do you think if you had heard that directly, you would have stayed at the rally?

I think Sydney, with all due respect, you don’t understand a word that I’m saying.

Do you believe you had an accurate view of President Ortega at the time? I’m wondering if you’re ——

This was not about Ortega. Do you understand? I don’t know if you do or not. Do you know that the United States overthrew the government of Chile way back? Do you happen to know that? Do you? I’m asking you a simple question.

What point do you want to make?

My point is that fascism developed in Chile as a result of that. The United States overthrew the government of Guatemala, a democratically elected government, overthrew the government of Brazil. I strongly oppose U.S. policy, which overthrows governments, especially democratically elected governments, around the world. So this issue is not so much Nicaragua or the government of Nicaragua.

I'm not the biggest Berner, but that might be the best thing he has done so far this primary. So great, and so necessary, and nobody but him could do it.

good thing he didn't drop out per your advice

Just a reminder that despite her numerous strengths on foreign policy Liz is a friend to the defense industry:

Another key adviser is Ganesh Sitaraman, a professor at Vanderbilt and a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress, a think tank aligned with the leadership of the Democratic Party that has been widely criticized for its hawkish policies, including calls for confrontation with Iran.

There are numerous other warning signs—and unanswered questions. In 2013, Warren supported John Brennan’s CIA nomination. He was a major advocate of the U.S. targeted-killing program. (Bernie did not. Gillibrand did.)

http://inthesetimes.com/article/21890/elizabeth-warren-war-military-iran-north-korea-venezuela-bernie-sanders

Eh, following up a great Bernie interview with utter bullshit from his supporters is not a particularly good move.

facts are bullshit eh

she wants our forever wars to be green

Eh, following up a great Bernie interview with utter bullshit from his supporters is not a particularly good move.

― Frederik B, Monday, May 20, 2019 1:30 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

baw

"utter bullshit"

nah, was helpful to read s balanced piece on how far right Warren is. eye opening.

lol

Going from 'The US supported straight up terror against civilians in the 80s' to 'SANCTIONS IN VENEZUELA HAS KILLED 40.000!!!' Like, does nobody here get how the second line undermines the first?

it must be kinda nice not having to deal with complexity

Lazare is not engaging in complexity there.

no but it requires only the bare minimum to read the piece and not have a "Bernie supporters"! aneurism

aneurysm

go off king

I was right about Vietnam.

I was right about Iraq.

I will do everything in my power to prevent a war with Iran.

I apologize to no one. pic.twitter.com/Lna3oBZMKB

— Bernie Sanders (@SenSanders) May 24, 2019

oh my god I thought people were joking about the music

somebody edit "WE GOT LONDON ON DA TRACK" or "If Young Metro don't trust ya I'm gon' shoot ya" into the beginning of that clip

That's a parody account, right?

looks like his verified handle.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/05/24/bernie-sanders-millionaires-226982

oof.

politico is bad

How could this guy who's, uh, made $100k+ as a Congressman for almost 30 years be worth $2mn?!?!?!

^^^This was a tragically written article. I feel bad for everyone involved.

Although I finally looked up what the cutoffs are for the 1%.

The California Democratic Party’s Arab American Caucus was established more than 30 years ago. This is the first time a presidential candidate showed up to address this Caucus. Thank you Bernie. #Bernie2020 #CADem19 pic.twitter.com/7yFjvtlKGC

— Rashad 🎶 🎶 It’s all about the Benjamins baby 🎶 (@Happy_Arab) June 2, 2019

Has anybody been listening to the Hear the Bern podcast that Briahna Joy Grey and other staffers have been putting out? The recent one with Prof Greg Carr was good,

getting dragged into a very irritating "Do Better Bernie" concern-trolling morass on facebook with a friend whose politics I normally like. Keeping it very low key and civil though.

do fn pumped for tonight. Bernie gonna TKO Biden

https://media3.giphy.com/media/l46CbCXPQNbdOZxUk/200.webp?cid=790b76115d152adb486f4c2e36d10cf2&rid=200.webp

https://media3.giphy.com/media/l46CbCXPQNbdOZxUk/200.webp?cid=790b76115d152adb486f4c2e36d10cf2&rid=200.webp

An excellent exploration of NYT reporter Sydney Ember's (@melbournecoal) use of publicists and lobbyists as “sources” in attacking Sanders, by @kthalps https://t.co/8yTF0JzweG

— Doug Henwood (@DougHenwood) June 29, 2019

I know we're all swimming in the same shit but in light of discussion the past couple days this warrants posting in the primary thread too

srsly just fuck the times

Back to domestic issues, Ember ended her May 23 article, “Sanders’ Education Plan Renews Debate Over Charter Schools and Segregation,” on a predictably down note:

But while the charter-school issue might be relevant in cities, Mr. Loadholt said, it was hardly top-of-mind for voters in the state’s expansive rural areas, where charter schools are rare. “To a hammer, everything is a nail,” he said. “And to Sanders, everything is an issue created by millionaires and billionaires.”

Ember describes Jarrod Loadholt as “a Democratic strategist who has worked on education policy in South Carolina.” This obfuscating description was one of the many things that led Diane Ravitch to write her blog post, “The New York Times vs. Senator Bernie Sanders. ” I’ll let Ravitch explain:

"The real stinker in the Times’ article comes at the end, where the writers quote someone unfamiliar to me. I know many education activists in South Carolina, but I have never run across Jarrod Loadholt…. I googled. He is a lawyer and lobbyist in Washington, DC, who was born in South Carolina. I can find no evidence of any involvement by him in any education issues. His specialty seems to be consumer finance. Why was he called upon to put down Senator Sanders’ factual statement that the Waltons, the DeVos family and hedge fund managers are behind the push for charter schools? Senator Sanders made his statement in South Carolina, and Loadholt was born there. South Carolina has dreadful education policy. When did Loadholt work on it and with what results? To the naked eye, he was called upon as a Beltway insider to cut Bernie Sanders down with a false statement. Shameful."

(erm that 2nd graf is Embers)

ran in the NY Times today... Bernie has been a de facto Democrat ever since he got to Congress (share with butthurt Clintonians)

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/bernie-sanders-2020-presidential-campaign-democrats-donald-trump-a8992296.html

https://www.inquirer.com/news/bernie-sanders-hahnemann-rally-philadelphia-20190714.html

it's good and i like it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlxHWmEPTCA

Attacks on Bernie Sanders reinforce his message and worth. I've never seen such mainstream hostility to a candidate (Reagan received much kinder press). It shows how reactionary and frightened our owners are, which is both good and dangerous. The fight is just beginning.

— Dennis Perrin (@DennisThePerrin) July 31, 2019

Dennis Perrin otm

A supercut of great historical speeches with Tim Ryan standing in the crowd pouting "you don't have to yell!"

— Carl Beijer (@CarlBeijer) July 31, 2019

Taking national security advice from a Cheney has already caused irreparable damage to our country. We don't need any more, thanks. https://t.co/pHr5TM9UgX

— Bernie Sanders (@BernieSanders) August 2, 2019

its heatin up in here

in defense of Warren, no less!

love to see it

v good tweet

I love this

The Cardi B chat is live

Also this

This was definitely the most energetic voter/@SlipKnot fan I spoke w/at the Iowa Fair. He is feelin’ the bern bern @BernieSanders so much i needed my bleeper pic.twitter.com/jprZhJHMQb

— Bo Erickson (@BoKnowsNews) August 15, 2019

9 milion views for the Joe Rogan interview, inside one week! Comments overwhelmingly positive

When Bernie catches you looking. pic.twitter.com/fgKg9qZEhN

— Aaron Lavinsky (@ADLavinsky) August 24, 2019

they're not even trying with these anymore

this is so far beyond parody it's brain-falling-out-of-head idiotic. pic.twitter.com/67Vhq965KC

— Josh Sawyer (@jesawyer) August 28, 2019

lol what the fuck

‘sorry, guy who wrote the study bernie based his claim on, we know better’

this seems like a strange chart. but i kinda like it

https://www.facebook.com/berniesanders/photos/a.324119347643076/2473892769332379/?type=3&theater

is it possible to post it here?

https://scontent.fhhr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/69277765_2473892772665712_401225236223098880_o.png.jpg?_nc_cat=106&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_eui2=AeHu3Y8KoUntmojiz0cVlRN6BuwvAzsMvSQRrigZhOFKHljVA1SAiwyOiFytHiLq_66OakXFjprvhQu2Xq66v-4jyrTceQdBO8RK61LMBY5uCQ&_nc_oc=AQlQy0FZaNI2-GlLK6gd1dd8VLZVQ8ZY9_SWwcHHcf4wK99aTqau9tYISFhdiWX-rXHoalONlURwnXTTV9WiPLnd&_nc_ht=scontent.fhhr1-1.fna&oh=4de798c4841129f52de7b8c0faf12a9f&oe=5DCC7FCB

Does that work?

man you would really think lsd would be cheaper

A little goes a long way

they should have priced everything by the wine bottle

I've been getting ripped off, I've gotta go speak to my horseshoe crab guy

Gonna buy me a gallon of Bernie piss for $13,099.

p sure that's liquor, not wine fwiw

xp

three pinocchios for bernie

Three Pinocchios and one Lampwick

I had to look up why that limoncello was so expensive and it's because it has rare diamonds on the bottle. Not the greatest example to use in a post about liquids.

yeah I saw that too but tbf it seems like the value greatly exceeds what the diamonds alone would be worth

p sure that's liquor, not wine fwiw

I'm 100% certain it's a liqueur, was just running with the measurements on the chart

Killer Mike time:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHps9UsJsko

Sanders/Mike 2020

The Post's anti-Sanders source could not have been more predictable.

Glenn, honest question: What type of peer-review does your "fact check" go through? The only person you could find to say Bernie was wrong is the former chief economist of a right-wing think tank that represents fast food, tobacco & alcohol interests. Why didn't you mention that? pic.twitter.com/C4jM0OTaz6

— Warren Gunnels (@GunnelsWarren) August 29, 2019

Guessing the Berman mentioned there is David's (RIP) dad

this just made my blood boil

Hillary Clinton: "Some of my favorite Democrats, people like Kamala Harris, who is out there speaking up and speaking out, she is being attacked from the left. Enough."pic.twitter.com/4AkqU4p5fh

— Powerful Mel Ankoly 🦈 #ForThePeople (@Mel_Ankoly) August 30, 2019

Kamala is clearly trying to clone as much of HRC's winning vacuity as she can

Yeah, that doesn't even make sense to me; Sanders did immediately endorse and campaign for Clinton.xp

"speaking up and speaking out"

Hil still can't use words without draining meaning from them

Forbes: 21% who support Bernie Sanders said they would vote for Trump over Buttigieg…also, 26% of those who support Sanders said they would vote for Trump over Warren, 18% would vote for Trump over O’Rourke, and 17% said they would vote for Trump over Harris. I don’t understand.

— Chris Lavoie (@RadioGuyChris) September 1, 2019

They like em old, white, and male

I assume there's also a contingent who see their options as Bernie or burn the world down.

xp...and don't care about tax returns, I guess.

there are similarly batty segments like this for every candidate iirc

based on that same poll from april that ppl over-interpreted back then too

sad!

that poll means now this awful centrist meme is about bernie, i guess

https://i.imgur.com/8yuVITg.jpg

awful centrist meme OTM

short version is "BIDEN WILL BE PRESIDENT AND DONT BE MAD"

awful centrist meme OTM

Well, is there a Dem nominee who can somehow magically unite all the disparate coalitions without many of them having to swallow their pride?

Old Democrats hate Bernie, young Democrats hate Biden and Harris, the left hates everybody except Bernie, someone’s gonna have to compromise or else Trump will win.

there's one i can think of who could maybe play that peacekeeper/party uniter role

it involves the left swallowing their pride for someone with capitalist bones but i think they'll do it

Bernie bros are already lined up to discredit her

"Bernie bros"

antifa

deep state

it's early

twitter isn't the world

Bernie doesn't have a capitalist bone in his body

none of this stupid shit matters

"Bernie bros"

antifa

deep state

poll

neti pot kombucha lists bands

I guess if you for some reason want to grant that those polls have any merit, a pragmatic solution would be to support bernie so these people don’t swing the election to trump. you know, for the good of the country

also for the math-challenged, 20% of 20% is 4%

yeah pretty much every DSA type I know thinks Warren is a wolf in sheep’s clothing & they’re already making efforts to kneecap her. also, knowing Bernie, assuming he doesn’t win the nom he’ll stay in the race way longer than necessary which will also hurt Warren

lol

in a bimodal distribution on a univariate ideological axis, warren is probably the ideological middle of the left part of the curve.

plus I think Warren might have difficulty gaining black voters’ enthusiasm compared to Biden/Sanders/Harris which puts her at a disadvantage

basically what I’m saying is this is gonna suck

let the goddamn 14 MONTHS play out

This myth that runnerup candidates MUST DROP OUT ASAP (and always have) is bullshit pushed by the Hillbots three years ago.

Politics is about a death struggle between options.

you are right about the death struggle

“nice candidacy you have there, shame if something happened to it”

I do like the idea that Warren has been talking about jailing bankers and breaking up tech giants just to attract big donors and moderate suburban votes so she can win power and pursue her hidden agenda of governing like Bill Clinton.

*extracts bone sample*

Death struggle or lemmings off a cliff

using "shut up and get in line" a year before an election is the most antidemocratic crap I can think of

Morbs nobody has to shut up and get in line now but we need to make peace with the fact that eventually some of us will have to

And it’s not necessarily leftists that will need to! It goes for anti-Bernie / anti-Warren crowds as well!

There's time. In the meantime, hurricanes!

A lot of this anxiety stems from the fact that there are already tons of people telegraphing that they won't under any circumstances vote for this or that candidate due to perceived lack of ideological purity.

caveat; I know your vote doesn’t actually matter Morbs since you live in a very special blue state instead of a normal one

I do like the idea that Warren has been talking about jailing bankers and breaking up tech giants just to attract big donors and moderate suburban votes so she can win power and pursue her hidden agenda of governing like Bill Clinton.

― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), 1. september 2019 19:28 (fourteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

The way the senate's looking, I fear they all will govern like Bill Clinton :(

Many people can telegraph many things in September 2019. I just don't see the point of worrying now.

not to mention the fucking Supreme Court (thanks people who didn’t vote Dem!) xp

People, especially dudes, love posturing on social media.

I only do it on ilx

And it’s not necessarily leftists that will need to! It goes for anti-Bernie / anti-Warren crowds as well!

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which is why even worrying about this dumb shit now is pointless. it’s beautiful outside, enjoy the summer!

A lot of this anxiety stems from the fact that there are already tons of people telegraphing that they won't under any circumstances vote for this or that candidate due to perceived lack of ideological purity.

This is entirely in your head. To rehash something that has been done a million times on ILX, there's always a percentage of Democratic primary voters who vote GOP in the general and in 2016, Berniebros were more party-loyal than Hillary voters in 2008. Warren or Harris aren't going to do worse on that front than Clinton.

As frustrating as it must be to most ilxors, the democratic nominee will be chosen by people, both ordinary voters and political insiders, the majority of whom do not closely resemble ilxors. This cold fact will be doubly true when it comes to the people who will choose the next president in November 2020.

I don't like this any better than you do, but I've had a longer time to get used to it.

Morbs since you live in a very special blue state instead of a normal one

the first state to hate the Grifter, in spite of all the dumb hicks upstate who will vote for him

knowing Bernie, assuming he doesn’t win the nom he’ll stay in the race way longer than necessary which will also hurt Warren

man what

longer "than necessary" for crut

like I said, special rules and new historical template for Bernie

like im currently giving money to both campaigns but people who think Bernie is somehow the problem in the current democratic field just absolutely baffle me

sorry i got way too worked up itt

i like bernie! i'm glad he's running!

Lol. I know this is the Berner thread, but guys, that's just pathetic whining.

there is a distinct possibility that no candidate will go into the DNC with a majority of the delegates and either warren or sanders will need the others' delegates to get over the 50% threshold in the subsequent voting rounds so i think it would be real real cool if both sides would be nice to each other

Sanders is in second place in about half of the recent polls (i.e. ahead of Warren), so wringing your hands about how Bernie might "stay in too long" and "hurt Warren" at this point is kind of absurd. And the first place candidate is a guy whose brain appears to be melting a little more each time he's on stage, so I wouldn't count on him staying out front.

xp agreed

i'm just still fucked up over 2016 & also frustrated with all my friends who are literally bernie or bust, it's sometimes hard to remind myself that most bernie supporters aren't like that

Even a lot of your friends who are "literally bernie or bust" are probably not literally bernie or bust. But yeah, that's objectively not that large a percentage of his supporters, nor was it last time.

And the first place candidate is a guy whose brain appears to be melting a little more each time he's on stage, so I wouldn't count on him staying out front.

it hasn't really hurt his polling so far :/

anyway i'm sorry, i'll stop being a str8 white dude catastrophizing on ilx

sorry crüt didn’t mean to come across as a jerk. the Bernie die-hards can be trying but tbh I think a lot of it’s just Twitter hardmanning by ppl who are likely not even in swing states

Bernie + warren combined is still below Biden in most polls ghttps://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-primaries/democratic/national/) and that’s under the optimistic assumption that if either dropped out all voters would switch to the other (and it’s not just bernie busters who’d defect; a lot of Bernie first picks are Biden second picks, presumably many Warren second picks are for the other candidates)

flopson, that is not true. take harrisx out and most show bernie+warren totals > biden (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/sc/south_carolina_democratic_presidential_primary-6824.html)

im not saying to not pay attention to the harrisx poll, but its an aberration of sorts.

it hasn't really hurt his polling so far :/

he's declining slightly but measurably, and a majority of folks responding to cold phone calls are still the sort of people who don't actually follow news and just recognise the word "Biden." though in current likelihood I'd rank the following

1: someone he respects convinces him to drop out and endorse Warren*
2: his brain melts so much at an appearance that he has to be put into care
3: the name-recognition lumpendemocrat abandon him

watched the Bernie / Killer Mike video this morning, that's some good praxis tbh

* though the main indicator of his senility is the ludicrous stubbornness shown by his insistence on running again when he has lost comprehensively every time before, and things like the "this story is God's exact truth, my word as a Biden" -> turns out every single detail of the story is incorrect, including his involvement -> "wtf, I know SOMETHING happened once and I was there, how dare anyone criticise me for misremembering 17 specifics that I insisted were accurate" from three days ago

interesting, so what’s up with Harrisx?

i haven't dug into their methodology, could be just how they collect their sample.

literally 137% of Biden support is "He seems like a nice old white man" or "I sure would like Obama back right now"

someone, pref not Bernie, should ask him at the next debate why O hasn't endorsed him

obama told him "you don't have to do this joe" lol

that same article went on to detail how obama’s provided a lot of advising and staff, iirc

Thanks Obama

was he like keeping the advisors and staff in a shed out back or something

running she deep state

*the

I thought Obama's staffers were all busy advising the Tories and running a podcast network.

Biden would probably think the Theresa May playbook is exactly the way to go, though.

Maybe, but he's thinking of the Margaret Thatcher playbook.

so...dying?

that was a joek based on Biden mixing up Thatcher and May on multiple occasions

in my defense my joke was better because it was about thatcher being dead

it's funny bcz it's true

Neera Tanden out here union busting. I wonder what editorial line the new ThinkProgress is going to take on the 2020 candidates?

she’s an arsehole

The Top 10 Candidates Meet: A Guide to Thursday’s Debate
The top Democrats will face off for the first time. Joe Biden and Elizabeth Warren will be at the center.

at it again!

“We need a mass movement to make her plans a reality, and we’re going to be a part of that work,” WFP director Maurice Mitchell said. “You don’t defeat the moderate wing of Democrats through thought pieces or pithy tweets, you defeat their politics through organizing.”

Mitchell is correct here — which makes the choice of Warren baffling.

If you read his quote out of context or without its pronouns, you might assume that Mitchell was praising Sanders, not Warren. After all, Sanders has made such organizing central to his campaign.

Sanders’s 2020 slogan is “Not me, us.” He has used his campaign infrastructure to turn thousands of supporters out to union picket lines and immigrant rights protests. Sanders recently stated that once elected, he would be the “organizer-in-chief.” Even in his policy plans, like his recently announced labor law reform plan, he emphasizes that such reforms can’t be achieved without organizing a mass movement from below.

Warren, meanwhile, has staked her campaign on being the candidate who has “a plan for that.” Her proposals (domestically, at least) are, on the whole, solid progressive policies, though never stronger than Sanders’s. But not until the last few weeks has she even made rhetorical nods to building the kind of movement that Sanders argues we need, much less done anything to actually build that movement.

https://jacobinmag.com/2019/09/working-families-party-endorsement-elizabeth-warren-bernie-sanders

^^^ i'm a single-issue voter on this point tbh

on which point?

so now the WFP are by implication sellouts? OK.

My lefty friends on FB called Warren a "corporate tool" yesterday.

RMDE!

If the WFP views bottom-up organizing, of and by a multiracial working class, as a core necessity to win social change, why would the party endorse Warren, whose campaign has catalyzed neither — especially over Sanders, whose campaign has?

lol a Sanders supporter writing this? When Sanders and Warren both have problems attracting multiracial working class votes and Biden still (for the moment) holds the support of black Americans? OK.

opinion polls = gobbitch

on which point?

primacy of organizing, danger of plan talk

Daily reminder that NY voters have until October 11, 2019 to switch party affiliation to Democrat to vote in the New York Democratic Primary.

Thank you to @majorityfm for being the first independent media outlet to discuss this.

Who is next? pic.twitter.com/DB1YnIZqA0

— NY For Sanders #Bernie2020 (@NYforSanders) September 17, 2019

wassup yall

:)

I thought this was a good take on the WFP kerfuffle / the Sanders/Warren conflict more generally even if I don't agree with quite all of it myself

https://theoutline.com/post/7983/wfp-endorsement-warren-sanders?zd=1&zi=gmyqldmy

lol a Sanders supporter writing this? When Sanders and Warren both have problems attracting multiracial working class votes and Biden still (for the moment) holds the support of black Americans? OK.

― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, September 17, 2019 6:50 PM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink

The majority of Bernie's supporters are now POC

On Sanders' progress in South Carolina.

i was feeling warren but i'm pretty firmly in camp bernie now

The majority of Bernie's supporters are now POC

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive),

Under 35?

His base skews young generally

https://www.vox.com/2019/3/7/18216899/bernie-sanders-bro-base-polling-2020-president

I think it’s fair to assume the membership vote went for Sanders, otherwise the WFP would release it.

Sadlol.

87% to not winning a straight members vote is...I mean not impossible but seems kinda unlikely esp given the circumstances. I don't see how it's an unfair assumption at all

Do you have the results from 2015, because I'm not sure that number is verified?

And in no way is it weird that Sanders would get 87% when his only opponent was Clinton, to losing to Warren. Come on.

gonna be wild as hell if he starts winning or coming in a close second in IA, NH, & NV. i've got nothing but *my feeeeelings* to support this but i do think he'll outperform his current polling.

love feelings

from a Salon story, though they don't cite a source tbf

According to the group, Warren defeated Sanders in a vote of WFP members and leadership, earning 61% compared to Sanders’s 36%. But that verdict isn't quite as clear as it sounds. Curiously or otherwise, WFP has so far declined to provide a breakdown of the votes — as it did following the 2016 endorsement when 87% of the members voted for Sanders.

It's not strictly speaking true as far as I can see. They sent an internal email not meant for publication with that number, but that was unofficial. And in 2015, they only had a membership vote, then the board confirmed they were going to endorse Sanders. That number, 87%, is a lot similar to the 80% that apparently voted for either Warren or Sanders. And yeah, since it ended up being 36% Sanders to 61% Warren, that means the leadership clearly impacted the result. But they dragged it to the left. There's not really any reason to doubt that the membership went for Warren as well, after all, she is the more popular of the two candidates.

[citation needed]

Ferdstrik Boindexter

Bernie is thronged by students like a rockstar after his Climate Forum performance. Chris Hayes has to do a double take to remember that Bernie Sanders is the most popular politician in the United States of America. pic.twitter.com/fwOMJT6ejG

— Working Class 👩🏿‍🏫 👷🏼‍♀️ 👨🏻‍🍳 👨🏽‍🔧 (@net_enforcer) September 19, 2019