Women’s World Cup France 2019, 7 June - 7 July

FRA-KOR kick off HOURS from now. england scotland sunday, usa thailand tuesday. whatcha thinkin? who’s got this?

FiveThirtyEight predictions https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2019-womens-world-cup-predictions/

You want to believe in a host team brimming with talent, but choke potential is high

always root for france, to no avail. shanice van de sanden was fantastic in the champs lge final and is v fun to watch so would like to see the netherlands do well especially as van de donk is class as well.

I’ve never seen a good football opening ceremony

This song.. is not my kind of song

Yeah I'm just waiting on the game itself.

this year I am supporting the goalkeepers of all nations. may they show their fast-improving skill and avoid disaster at all turns

Obvious I know but goalkeeping is always gonna look poor in the women's game cos the goals are too big

Watching a French team without Necib doesn't seem right. No Abily either I think. At least le sommer is still there.

Speak of the devil

Easy

Oh boy, our first VAR, yay rah

Still not convinced that getting decisions right is worth it tbh

Anticlimax king VAR

woof! quality header

someone should think about marking renard

Honestly just treating the second half as an extended cut remix.

Yeah we needed that Henry goal just to give the 2nd half some color

Germany team seems to have changed a lot from the last time I remember following them. Only players I can recall are marozsan and popp.

Oh and dabritz

China completely fucked up that transition. Should have been a goal. All stemming from a criminally bad square pass. Houillier will be getting ginola flashbacks.

Germany running out of ideas here. Need one of the centre backs to step into midfield occasionally.

China off the post. Germany look completely shook at the back.

Frustrated German team. Lack a strategy in the box

fuck is this referee doing, that's two fks against china in two minutes for completely fair tackles

just straight up gave germany a free-kick when their player dragged down the chinese one

chinese players got away with murder in the first half tho

bad refereeing both ways is still bad refereeing!

good hit for the german goal

Spain pretty lucky. 1-0 down for most of the game and out of jail thanks to two penalties.

Caroline Graham Hansen best in the world 1v1 possibly

var strikes again. italy 'goal' off a beautiful through ball ruled out on the tightest of margins. i assume australia are favourites here but italy have started well.

pen to aus

scored on rebound

Offside is fucking ridiculous now. May as well ban forward passes.

terrible defending but that's a calm dribble and finish from the italy #11.
probably jinx her but the italian goalie has looked impressively assured.

Deep women's football cut: Sam, Kerr Ladies

feel like the nu-var era we are in where ref assistants can't flag for offside until the attacking phase is completed is changing the game in some fundamental way that i can't articulate but am uneasy with.

Oh fucking hell. That one was slightly offside tbf, but even a legit close offside now feels like its ruining the game.

australia play with such a stupidly high line that every game they play will have like 5 var reviews.
tbf all the initial decisions by the on field officials have been proved correct. i'd probably prefer the law to be if any of the attackers body is onside then they are onside rahter than if any of their body is offside then they're offside.

italy winner 5th minute of stoppage time!!

Well deserved!

Yay! As noted by the bbc commentator, australia didn't seem to get the 'no diving in womens football' memo

Glad I caught the last ten minutes of that.

Barbara Bonansea was destined for a great tournament

Think Australia will win the next two and go through but

a) a bit sloppy/nervous today
b) think they're slightly overrated in general / have had messy behind the scenes stuff disrupt preparations
c) their troubles in defense are well known

Not a bad match between Brazil and Jamaica but that second Christiane goal probably seals it.

If this hour long BBC puff piece on 'England's World Cup Lionesses' doesn't fire up the Scottish nation to get 100% behind Scotland's women's team I don't know what can.

... ah, they aren't showing it in Scotland! Wise move.

wow bbc inflicting y'all, hope solo in an evening gown

Is that where Hope ended up? Figures.

fun and frenetic so far

Excellent pen

Football - 22 people chase the ball for 90 minutes and at some point someone gets the ball tanned off their arm in the box.

England on a completely different planet to Scotland here

Challop: every penalty given in the tournament so far has been a dreadful decision.

In retrospect they should probably have given the BBC a proper studio rather than expecting them to make themselves heard over the half time noise.

Well this is getting interesting...

xxp even Spain's second penalty? I agree that the handball situation is getting out of, er, hand

Was that the one with the sending off? If so, especially that one - poor, scuffed clearance and follows through way too far but her leg is fully extended and the Spaniard runs into it.

35 minutes into Japan / Argentina and I don’t recall anyone having a shot.

Argentina with an impressive commitment to a 10-0-0 formation

For all that, that might have been the most emotional end to a 0-0 draw at that level I've seen in a long while.

I remember their goalie from the it 2007 11-0 defeat to Germany. Think she scored two own goals in that one.

Don't know if anyone mentioned it on ILX at the time

😐

Japan really Spained that up

love when the dutch fans break out the verdi. holland starting like they're a goal down with only 5 mins left to score

cracking start. lovely strike off the bar for new zealand. right-to-left diagonals working for holland.

Feel like the key to breaking thru here for the Dutch will be getting the full backs much further free to free up space for Martin's and Van de sanden. But can see why they're reluctant because NZ are playing two up top and look dangerous on the counter.

Japan vs Argentina was dire yesterday but thought the Japan #3 was really good.

That is an horrific miss from holland

Some big whiffs

This can't possibly end without goals

And you were right. But what a crazy match.

don't fancy chile's chances here. sweden are asking all the questions

Same barrage with no result so far

the USA are going to have to give us all the goals we've been missing out on. or will Thailand offer similar resistance?

And now...rain.

And with that game on pause Fox has taken to a LOT of USWNT bus shots and groups of fans.

Hold on, a football game got stopped because it was raining?

Lightning storm

chile defended p well all game then were totally pish and for 2 goals in the last 10 minutes

(second was a nice piece of individual play to be fair to the swedish number 7 but given so much space)

this will be ten

USA etc

I'm enjoying seeing a team knock it around so competently. There's a gap between France, USA, England and the rest, from what I've seen

BBC commentator already in funeral mode

omg FIFA don't want it to be ten. It will still be ten

Thailand have a 5ft5 keeper :-(

Probably the tallest woman in Thailand tbf.

Get this Rapinoe off, she's useless!

(j/k)

FIFA strikes again!

If I had money on ten goals or more I'd be much more furious but those were absolute joke decisions. Can we get VAR working?

Yeah i mean death to the great satan obv, but those were just silly. Of course, it could be that VAR were screaming at the ref to give those pens

Ten back on

Ten back Fifteen on

Halfway-ish there

I mean...we're not talking Germany-Brazil 2014 or anything but I typed this tweet and sent it:

Can a World Cup referee use VAR to call up the 'stop stop he's already dead' GIF?

— Ned Raggett (@NedRaggett) June 11, 2019

And then I looked back on the feed and they scored another goal.

So I came here to comment, and while I was typing this, they scored ANOTHER goal.

comin off like real bullies here tbh

Nine.

Ten

Ten.

With ten minutes to spare. I shouldn't have fretted

xp :)

Fuck the men's team, the women deserve to be paid twice as much as the dudes

This...is a thing.

Eleven

what was the spread

My abacus 404'd

Golden Boot is fucked now, is the downside

From two hours ago. aka A LIFETIME AGO

https://deadspin.com/thailands-world-cup-hopes-could-hinge-on-not-getting-st-1835420076

let it be known that if usa wins 13-0 they will jinx themselves and lose the cup

Seriously though, wouldn't a WC with 16 teams make more sense? Bottom tier is cannon fodder, way beyond 'they'll lose but it's a good lesson'.

(13-0)

i honestly feel uncomfortable watching games like this, like please hammer

Yeah.. :-/

was the three minutes of stoppage time really necessary

Lol there was a quip about that from the Fox commentator about the possibility of goal differential coming into play later in the tournament

GirLs aRe MeAn

Damn it, I had £1.50 on 14-0.

fwiw Thailand have beaten local minnows by comparable margins so don’t feel too sorry for them.

Sprinting to keep it in play at 13-0 in the 90th minute. The coach leaping up to pump fists and high five for the 13th goal. Extremely small time

did they even sub anyone

Feels a bit like I've eaten about three tubs of ice cream now

Damn it, I had £1.50 on 14-0.

fwiw Thailand have beaten local minnows by comparable margins so don’t feel too sorry for them.

― ShariVari, Tuesday, June 11, 2019 10:57 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Not feeling sorry for them as much as I'm wondering why (how?) they're here at all. I think USA's display proves how fast women's football is developing. With a fast evolution, the margin between the highest standard and mediocrity is enormous. Germany (men) beat Estonia 8-0 tonight; same diff, but it happened in qualification.

(I put € 1.00 on 15-0 just after half time)

The thirteenth goal was the culmination of about four minutes of exclusively trying to get the ball to their ageing legend and succeeding, tbf

No small feet

(sry)

too much fucking perspective

The United States Women's National Team has scored 13 World Cup goals today.

The United States Men's National Team has scored 13 World Cup goals in the past 6,202 days.

— Timothy Burke (@bubbaprog) June 11, 2019

I noticed the scoreline thanks to Ned's tweets at 8-0. I was leaving my desk for a work function and in the time it took me to walk from my desk to the function, they had scored two goals.

omg FIFA don't want it to be ten. It will still be ten

I imagine FIFA will be eyeing viewing figures nervously after this.

for all you fancying australia before this tournament, they needed a 91st minute goal to draw with thailand in the recent asia cup

and even then only won on penalties

seeing players go wild over scoring rout-number goals against obviously inferior opposition is weird but I feel like that's a matter of unspoken etiquette rather than anything more innate, and that you could make an only partway contrarian case for the polite smile and handshake to mark your ninth against minnows being the more arrogant gesture

Yeaahhhhh, I think that's more than partway contrarian tbh.

i liked the old italian football thing of when you were 5 up or so just totally taking the foot of the gas and having an uncompetitive snooze fest for the remainder of the game

I'm sympathetic to the argument that that you best respect opponents by always competing your hardest, but even i thought the us celebrations were verging on the sociopathic

Iirc that italian football thing traditionally kicks in at 1-0 up

Commentator just said that the ref for this Nigeria vs South Korea game actually played for Russia in a previous world cup which is p cool.

Quite the own goal from Korea there. Shame because they'd started well.

xp North Korean ref for Cameroon v Canada did likewise

Bizarre own goal there.

Totally crazy.

Incredibly soft pen.

Who'd have thought it?

hoofing someone in the knee at full pelt has traditionally been frowned upon iirc ime. granted Norway would have got away with it sans VAR

Delphine Cascarino snubbing the Irish to come on as sub for France

Yeah, that's more clearly a penalty than the second Spanish one which was a similar offence.

Sucks, but we put up a decent fight and should beat SK to advance

Engen flicked the ball and caught the French player’s thigh as she jumped in. It wasn’t particularly dangerous play, it wasn’t deliberate and she seems to have got the ball. idk

is there supposed to be provision made for when a leg follows through after a clearance and connects w/ an opponent? feel like there isn't really but not dredging up any obvious comparable incidents rn

lot of ppl taking about a two-footed tackle by Torrent in the same incident, seemed like more of a block to me. still think a penalty is correct w/ the caveat of it being a bad advert for VAR all the same insofar as it reaffirms how many grey areas there are and always will be

How did france look? Unlucky but figured it out? Evenly matched?

thought france looked p good. norway did cause the odd problem on the flanks, i don't think the french full backs are particularly strong, but their CB pairing is great, not just renard but the #19 as well. diani had a spectacular first half down the right. not sure of the permeations of the draw but they looked solid last 4 prospects, although i didn't see either brasil's or england's opening games. wasn't that convinced by gauvin at CF but she did score.

didn't think the pen was soft.

australia done more in the first ten mins here than they did in entire game vs italy

var on a possible pen but thought there was a hanball in the build up to the incident

no pen

now that's what i would rate as a 'soft' penalty. marta scores.

Fun half, aussies in dire straits but now there’s hope

Equaliser, but both these teams look p ropey imo

Crazy match. In a good way!

Australia showed good spirit but Brazil have been pathetic ( their second goal was sweet tho)

not sure China are especially great but they're v watchable

This BBC commentator is good imo?

Offside given about 20 seconds after Scotland player (2 yards onside) receives the ball. Japan go down the other end and ping it straight over the keeper’s head into the net, 1-0 Japan

Japan are far better and deserve the lead but yeah it was a total nonsense

Scotland keeper is very bad?

The game plan seems to be long floated diagonals which the lone striker has no chance of reaching, combined with not clearing the ball properly.

Quality of defending only matched by quality of officiating

didn't see their game vs england but scotland look total trash

they were trash against england tbh, england should have been 4 up

Instead they needed a dodgy penalty to win, innit.

Wondergoal for Scotland 4 mins after should have been given a penalty for what was basically a Henry vs Ireland level handball in the current climate

2-1, Scotland simultaneously shite and hard done by

Well that's an improvement on the men's team - shite and not hard done by.

for some reference for those not from scotland: i am 34 years old, attended school in scotland, went to a high school with 1500 pupils, the amount of girls/women my age or older i've known to play football is 1

i imagine it's changed now, so hopefully we'll see continuous improvement

how quickly we forget the lessons of gregory's girl

This is a little harsh on Jamaica, who've played some neat stuff in the second half.

Yeah, clinical stuff from Italy, but no way did that feel like a 5-0 game on the balance of play. Football, a cruel mistress etc. Hope Jamaica get a goal at least for their efforts, and against australia's dodge defence they might well.

bbc min-by-min person having one

9 mins

Jamaica 0-0 Italy

Brilliant tackle.

Italy striker Barbara Bonansea tries to get the better of Allyson Swaby in the box, but the Jamaica defender makes an inch-perfect tackle.

No, no, no.

Why is this being checked?

It was a clean challenge.

30 mins later......

just seen the incident from this angle.

It's a stonewaller I'm afraid.

Allyson Swaby gets nowhere near it and it is Barbara Bonansea's own touch which takes the ball away.

Many xps to Jim, literally exact same story for me - and she went on to play cricket for Scotland. Could’ve done with her in the goal today I reckon

Choppy match here.

was appreciating the radio-esque level of description on the BBC screening and it turns out it is just the 5 Live commentary

England pen, right call, ropey kick from Parris, decent save, rebound prob should have been turned in

Many xps to Jim, literally exact same story for me - and she went on to play cricket for Scotland. Could’ve done with her in the goal today I reckon

― Blandford Forum, Friday, June 14, 2019 11:25 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark

yeah it's a bit mad to think about in retrospect. i remember telling someone here, my gf maybe, that girls didn't play football because it was a game for boys basically and them just looking at me like id time-travelled to canada from edwardian scotland

got a hypothetical question. where might a piratic individual stream these games since the shutdown of the reddit soccer stream sub?

watching the ones during the week at work using a colleague's login with their cable provider but have no means for the weekend

f00tybite dot com still seems to be active

ta

Aw yeah.

Miedema pressure off it seems. But still feel Netherlands are too slow and static in getting the ball to their star players on top.

canada should have so many goals

Only 2-0 in the 28th minute, crisis in the US camp?

Oooh and a confirmed incorrect call leading to the corner kick for the second goal.

Usa just goofin around. Can’t wait for them to face some real danger

Psg gk good tho

may or may not have said AAAHH YOU WANKER in response to that missed panalty

Deserved player of the match award to Endler

That's for damned sure. Single-handedly kept it from being another blowout. We all gave her a round of applause at the bar I was at.

Endler's Game

Three penalties in the two games tonight. Norway scored both of theirs, France missed.

lol retake

what did you think about that france penalty decision? seemed mibbe soft but possibly not, i wasn't really convinced

oh god, dozen players in the box

retake goes in

Penalty was a bit soft but I can see why it was given. I thought the keeper had a heel on the line the first time the penalty was taken but idk. Combination of VAR and semiprofessional clumsiness is killing this tournament.

this game has started pleasingly violently. straight reds please

italy going in studs-up like it's 1972

omfg that zola flick + save will end up being the best second of football of this entire tournament

italy have been the team i've most enjoyed watching so far in this world cup. without being remotely long ball their midfielders always look to pass frwd first rather than square

The Debinha flick was stunning.

these delayed flags are so dumb

she was 3 yards off, raise the flag ffs

this is a guid wee game so far afaict while half watching it on one monitor while i "work"

that Italy counter + volley + save is the second best second of football this tournament will see

that italy counter was so lovely

xp

having any football tournament starting with a number of teams which ensures that you need to advance some 3rd place group teams into the knockout rounds is fucking stupid

So great to see Italy, on the back of a breakthrough season for their league, show off this level of play, doing fun stuff, already through to the knockouts

xp. true. though neither of my teams would've qualified if it was smaller and surely the experience for the smaller teams will be helpful? (maybe not, getting gubbed repeatedly might be bad)

yep xxp

lol Hope Solo otm re: running away from Mike Tyson, kind of unbelievable the British presenter didn't just mention Serena Williams

Yay Jamaica!

cracking wee lofted through ball by marta there

that is an absolute joke decision

eh?

fuck penaltyball, fuck these refs

16 penalties in 30 games. Well done Marta though.

honestly thought that was a penalty, looked soft on initial viewing but played the woman not the ball and barged into her, it's a penalty

One of the less controversial ones imo.

side to side challenge with the Italian in front, I just can't buy it

these refs ffs ffs

and the idiot co-commentator 'thats a late challenge' no it was perfectly timed, what are you on

Kerr x 4 in the other game.

Jesus, horror show of a goal given away by the Jamaican keeper there. Australia's centre forward has scored all 4.

(xp)

eh, passback

not given of course lol

just saw the brazil penalty decision again. absolute nonsense. the italian player is in front and uses her body in a sideways challenge. so many absurdly soft penalties are ruining this tournament

or did i miss a memo where the shoulder challenge is no longer legal

it is if it's shoulder to shoulder within playing distance to the ball with arms by your side.

the actual challenge in question is shoulder to chest with the ball to far forward for either player to reach

Kudos to Argentina for stealing Scotland’s kit.

ha, slightly ridic, why not have them both in their iconic home kits? altho both these away kits are nice tbh

Well that was a random England goal. But it worked!

good pass, good finish

england or the usa will win this whole thing

Good match! Scotland lead.

Dying at the auld lad looking completely disgruntled at the Scottish goal. Possibly thinking, that us?

3-0 Scotland. We're gonnae win the cup.

Lol, not so fast.

3-2. We're no' gonnae win the cup.

VAR surely

Maybe a tiny touch on the ball

oh god

xp if that's not a pen on that basis then VAR is a portal into bizarro world at this point

Inordinate amount of time to review

p e n a l t y b a l l

that was a penalty this time tho, i think

3-2. The cup's back oan.

!!!!!!

now a VAR for a red card

Retake

no wait

ok fuck that rule

Oh ffs.

3-3. We're oot.

brutal

That penalty was even worse.

First Bremner hitting the post in 1974 now this...

No added time!

referee blows for full time six minutes early

Once again Scotland are shite and hard done by. Tournament feels so amateur.

What a fucking joke.

No added time?

That foot on the line rule?

Fucks sake.

this goalline rule is either going to be ignored after a few months for everyone's sanity or pro keepers are going to have to spend much longer than that training themselves to readjust their movements and let virtually everything in during that period

Both sides equally disbelieving at the premature end when either could have gone through with one goal

Fuckin' FIFA, jail the lot of them.

the lack of added time was the biggest scandal there

fuck VAR

Officiating was awful. Letting a corner get taken while a sub is being made, taking 5 mins to give an obvious pen, allowing kickoff before the players are in the right halves, blowing up ridiculously early.

The use of VAR has been abysmal throughout and half the refs seem to have simply delegated all important decisions to video.

fwiw, I think that 16 out of 17 penalties have been awarded against sides outside the FIFA top ten rankings so idk if it’s going to continue at this absurd pace throughout.

probably in a minority of one but i'm just about in favour of the new spot kick rule ( tho god knows how long a shootout is gonna last if we get one) given the 2 extremes of what the scotland keeper did last night a v slightly early frwd step being penalized and what keepers routinely got away with pre rule change ie jerzy dudek at istanbul i think the enforcement via var is just about better. tho tbh the lack of enforcement pre law change was willful incompetence anyway.

i would still rather no var at all for anything tho

Starting as we mean to go on.

Penalty and VAR check in first minute.

Lol. VAR check taking three minutes. No pen

Correctly overturned.

nice sclaff that went out for a shy there.

teams look quite evenly matched here, dutch are asking the questions at the moment tho

and they've just hit the post, so close

Turning into a pretty tense match here!

Excellent goal there.

Yeah that was good, she set it up herself.

Even match, this is quite enjoyable.

Nigeria currently going out on disciplinary record, as it stands.

Oof, Cameroon own goal so Nigeria back in.

good pass for Beerensteyn's goal, or as I call it a cross to bear

:D

Looks like the other match will be a draw, putting both teams out. Cameroon dominated what I saw but scored a horrendous sliced own goal. Very cruel.

Cameroon score!

Wonderful end to Camweroon-NZ, deserved win

Everyone has collapsed. Last kick of the game. Really nice goal.

uh Cameroon even

best moment of this thing so far surely

it's great when there's a game where both teams need to score so they both just leave 5 players up. also great when the referee spends an entire minute of stoppage time lecturing the players when they all want to get on with it

cameroon's final attack was great

Chile will go through instead of Cameroon w/ a big win v Thailand tho right?

Just saw that second Cameroon goal, it ruled.

I am not sure the table I am looking at is correct but it would suggest Chile would go through at Nigeria’s expense, not Cameroon’s but idk.

chile need to win by 3 to be on the same goal difference as both

would have more goals for in that case than nigeria. if that's even what determines it lol

i checked, it is what determines it

That didn't take long

Rather.

Terrible goal to concede for Sweden. The corner kick wasn't even hit convincingly

I really don't get why they're making the ref check this herself. Just call the goal. Lloyd was offside but a Swede got to it first, no offside.

Is that a new offside law or something? She was totally interfering with play. Does she have to touch the ball to be offside now?

yeah she was interfering with play and her head was clearly offside

bastards

you're welcome

Fun Fact: I tweeted this last year but for all of you who are fans of both the #USWNT and Phish: recent goal scorer Tobin Heath & Page McConnell grew up in the same house (Page in the 70s/80s, Tobin in the 90s/00s). I live two houses down. (CC: @bizarchive) #phish #WWCFIFA2019

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Same call in the Australia v Brazil game iirc so at least they're consistent.

Thailand are making Chile work hard. 1-0 thanks to another own goal but two more needed.

Chile have brought on a 4’10” midfielder who could have improbably scored a header a few minutes ago.

official explanation for the non-offside is that the clearing defender 'had no idea where the attacker was'

disband fifa

don't think there's any chance of chile doing this sadly.

both ma teams oot in the group stage, magic.

lol and chile score 2-0

Shocking keeping. Can’t see Chile not getting another.

official explanation for the non-offside is that the clearing defender 'had no idea where the attacker was'

harsh but fair :)

Grez is determined to get that headed goal.

LBI you are a rogue!!

just started watching the Chile-Thailand game and the Thai keeper basically waved the ball into the goal and where's the shrug ascii

Penalty check

actually must be a penalty

If they’re giving penalties for that, I give up.

you can't have a penalty after you've shot, that is basically a thing

she comes with feet studs up and catches a player after the ball is gone. a foul anywhere on the park, bolo

Haha

Sorry

oh my giddy aunt, hit the bar

damn that crafty thai keeper with her foot on the line

the studs were back down by the time they collided

oh no wee grez is down injured and crying now and getting subbed off. being put through the ringer here so i am

keeper up w/ 3 and a half minutes on the clock

Fergie time?

Ah no, there it is.

Well done, Nigeria. Would have been criminal for them not to go through after the France game.

SHOTS 30
ON TARGET 5

How the hell you manage to miss a penalty after the last few days...

fair result in terms of nigeria getting through. clearly a better team on what we've seen so far. both chile and scotland had their opportunity to go through and squandered them, and ended up in the dustbin of WWC history where they ultimately belong :(

https://i.imgur.com/QbxcbKm.png

Germany - Nigeria !

How can you be offside from a corner?

I mean technically, yes, but it would have been ridiculous.

Oh good Lord.

Clear penalty judging by earlier cases this wc

fucking nonsense

to reiterate a post upthread I'm fairly certain you can't kneecap an attacker while possibly brushing the ball in the same motion and expect that to be deemed lawful

Fuck me if Nigeria could finish they'd be in front by now

seen a bunch of praise of the German defence but the way they stepped aside to let the Nigerian run nearly to the six yard box suggests a lot of good fortune

every time I watch a clip of this tournament on the BBC website it somehow makes a still from it my phone lockscreen image. wtf also privatise

Wooooo

Norway are absolutely dominating.

Of course they concede a penalty as soon as I say that.

That actually was a penalty imo.

Direct goal from the corner!

This is the best extra time I’ve seen in years.

That was notable competence and cool from all the Norway takers there

Phew, that was a match.

Took many years off my life

I don’t think that was a deliberate back pass. I have no idea how you defend this.

Answer if you are Cameroon: you can’t

would be p insulting for that not to be given as a backpass imo, as it would imply you had the first touch of a bulldozer

is there any more thrilling passage in sport than twiddling your thumbs waiting for a VAR offside call?

oh apparently there is

There will be uproar if this gets overturned.

Ah, rats.

Bogus.

Looked level.

This is horrible.

Really uncomfortable to watch

Yeah. Not bothering with the rest of the match, this is a fucking cluster.

England are rattled.

lol i popped to the shops during half time and come back and it's worse

Maybe not too rattled.

commentators maybe over-hyping that set piece

I think it's fair to say that while Gary Neville has become more likeable since the end of his playing career his brother has followed the opposite trajectory

these things are relative but yes

This tournament is a total farce

VAR gives FIFA at al even more opportunity to skew matches in favour of wealthier and more important nations and clubs.

... is what I'm getting from all this, beautiful for them.

Completely relative yeah, not saying I actually like G Nev now at all xxp

VAR makes it less likely that weaker teams get a lucky break, which is fine I guess, but in combination with the rule changes it also means that mistakes weaker teams might make (fluffed clearances, marginally skewed arms, keepers slightly off their lines at penalties etc) are punished with catastrophic consequences.

Indeed, it's going like a dream for FIFA so far.

Roll on, Qatar.

Great end to the game here

That said, I can’t see this being good for viewing figures. Xp

What a miserable slog this has been

This isn't good for anyone.

ilx's take far, far too generous on cameroon

albeit the ref was a total shambles

nothing like listening to an hour of English punditry to make you far, far too generous to the opposition

be that as it may, that was absolute shithouse from them

Absolutely shocking decision again.

Astonishing.

Really laughable, feel so bad for these players, it’s a mess

ridiculous, jfc this is a shambles of a tournament

Phew

properly thought they were gonna find a reason not to give that

Indeed, you have to assume FIFA are determined that France win this.

feel like they just need to get em into the last four then the bums seat themselves

They wouldn’t have disallowed their perfectly good first goal if that was the case!

Yeah if fifa were competent enough to illuminati some team or other into the final they would probably do it in a less insane fashion

idk there was just an *extremely* incorrect fk against brazil as they were bursting into the box

this ET will be carnage

nicely taken that

eh didn't think cameroon were remotely hard done by. their reactions were p pathetic imo. var during this wc has shown that the price that is paid by the process of getting decisions correct isn't really worth it to the spectacle of the game itself.

What about the spectacle of screeching about VAR?

and phil neville can stfu acting like he wasn't part of a team where the manager wasn't fine with them chasing a ref around the pitch to get a decision or kicking reyes out of the game whenever they played arsenal

Suddenly baffled by the US broadcast rights for this thing -- today's matches are on both FS1 and NBCSN, direct competitors.

Ah, I guess NBC has the Spanish-language rights in North America? Looks like NBCSN is simulcasting the Telemundo coverage.

guess what? it's a penalty!

actually this looks like the clearest penalty of the entire tournament so far tbf

yankees are a wrecking machine

Lol that explains why my SlingTv broadcast is in Spanish

oh holy shit that was a blunder from the goalie.

an absolute beauty of a strike though. chef kisses fingers stuff

LOL

everyone ragging on england for slack play yesterday can be made to watch that tbh

spain getting cocky and wanting a red card too

We didn’t see a proper replay but I reckon if you zoomed in and slowed it down and ignored any context that’s a red all day long

"hoof it to Rapinoe" works often but maybe wanna try some other tactics here and there

The pace of this shit is great

feel like US are asking the questions. every through ball they attempt comes close to working out

spain are getting forward in numbers surprisingly well, good game

Yeah, this is rolling pretty well all around.

What a bullshit yellow

at last! controversy!

Nah this is still fun

Yes, fun game.

yeah good game. the longer it goes on, the better spain look

bullshit pennn

Yea wtf

fucksake

Penaltyball has been superseded by VARball.

No way will it stand

since when did catching somebody with your studs in the box after the ball has gone not a penalty?

RIGGED

VAR ran so much smoother in last year's cup

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she pulled out of the tackle and barely brushed her. 'caught with studs' is nonsense

it's not really. you're not allowed to have contact with the opposition player with your studs up? like ever?

this thread is 85% moaning about calls lol

Fair penalty call. Good shot. Go USA!

a lot of people are demanding a standard of leniency in refereeing that doesn't exist in men's professional football

Yeah, I think it was a penalty, just a pity it was for USA.

Basically no need whatsoever to go to VAR.

Players catch each other accidentally all the time. The test aiui is whether the conduct was either intentional, reckless or dangerous. What seems to have happened in this World Cup is a massive expansion in what is considered reckless / dangerous play.

Noodle Vague is tiebreaking vote

15 mins of stoppage

That was a soft pen

Seven minutes of overtime must be close to some type of record.

Nah

Xp not even close

Nowhere near. Spain infuriatingly ineffectual going forward.

Aye fair enough the pen was soft but v much "I've seen them given"

Rapinoe has gotta be pretty beat by now

I tried Googling "longest overtime in World Cup Soccer" and couldn't find anything.

It's not overtime

Probably because it's not called overtime.

(xp!)

Iirc per caek, referees completely make up the amount of added time

They probably won't do a 13 minute added time marathon in the immediate future because it would be embarrassing to VAR imo. It would damage confidence, in the sport, to see it,

Sadly at work and can't watch this now. Don't think the decisions i've seen have been wrong, mostly, but VAR seems to encourage a pedantic emphasis on some types of infraction at the expense of context and any idea of intentionality. And it fucks with the flow of the game and encourages more dissent/nitpicking from the players. And the handball interpretation is just fucking silly now.

It's kinda messed up that this narrative has been allowed to dominate discussion of the actual football and i feel bad for falling into that too but it's aggravating and it does feel like it's operated in favour of the big teams more, no doubt cos they get fouled more iften but also because they're just better at gaming the rules as they stand.

Pretty 'hm' about all this in the end.

Tom D., I don't really follow soccer. What is it called?

it's called bonus o'clock

the stolen seconds

Tempus fugit iirc.

The second half was a gritty slog.

Extra time.

:D

VAR has moved us abruptly from a constructivist to a positivist interpretation of the rules. This is mainly because football administrators are generally a bit dim not very nuanced thinkers

the additional time given at the end of a half of football (soccer) is called "injury time" or "added time". if the game ends in a draw (tie) and they play an extra 30 minutes of football (soccer) this is called "extra time" (this would be what is referred to as "overtime" in north american sporting parlance).

Imo remove VAR and just have someone shoot tranquilizers at people inching offsides

Oh, it's a British vs American English thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overtime_(sports)

"context and any idea of intentionality" seems relevant wrt viewer/poster reactions as this tournament (as w/ world cups in general [also this is a net positive I should probably state]) has definitely hooked ppl who don't necessarily watch that much football

reading liveblogs etc which platform shouty dissenting voices for even the clearly correct decisions has a signal-to-noise effect as well I guess

Although what Jim in Vancouver says makes sense. I don't watch enough soccer games. Thanks dudes!

It's not really overtime though. Stoppage time is meant to make up for time lost due to injuries, substitutions, goal celebrating, but is still considered part of the half it occurs in.

The correct analogue for overtime are those two extra 15 minute periods when the game is tied after regulation in a tournament match

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"context and any idea of intentionality" seems relevant wrt viewer/poster reactions as this tournament (as w/ world cups in general [also this is a net positive I should probably state]) has definitely hooked ppl who don't necessarily watch that much football

reading liveblogs etc which platform shouty dissenting voices for even the clearly correct decisions has a signal-to-noise effect as well I guess

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i think the issue with VAR is that in football lots of stuff that technically is not allowed happens and we expect it to be allowed to happen. we applaud a referee who lets a game flow, we hate one who inserts themselves into the game too much. with VAR this expected refereeing of flow, subjectivity and feeling is crushed like a butterfly on a wheel

If it makes anybody feel better, we get terrible officiating decisions at twice the rate in MLS with VAR in tow.

Say "Ted Unkel" at a game or "Chris Penso" and get a free beer poured on your head

Not to beat a dead horse, but I Wiki'd it just for my own knowledge: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_football#Duration_and_tie-breaking_methods

FIFA document (2016): https://img.fifa.com/image/upload/datdz0pms85gbnqy4j3k.pdf

Answer: additional time

In Argentina stoppage time is known as "el tiempo de cangrejos inoportunos", the phrase popularised in the mid-2000s by Spanish-speaking Manchester United fans enamoured of the late-game ball retention skills of one Michael Carrick

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all around the world

lol

:D

Had no idea Phil Collins was coaching the Canadian squad

I can't tell one Swedish player from another tbh... oh, hold on, there's a brunette there.

Canadian players have awful touch.

0 shots on goal

Had no idea Phil Collins was coaching the Canadian squad

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the gaffer of the canadian team looks like monty burns' son

This game's dull enough to be a Men's World Cup game.

Both squads combined for three shots, zero on frame. Riveting

Blackstenius - great real name.

pass cant be any more perfectly placed than that

Wonderful assist

Honestly amazing.

Canada deserved that with how careless they are with the ball

Whole sequence was nice

Sweden carving through right now

there's a real gulf in class between this game and the one earlier.

O here we go, VAR.

Sigh

"A surefire penalty kick"

Inevitable given the nature of the decisions to date and probably right within the new rules but it absolutely looked like she was trying to draw her arm into her body.

Obvious pen tbf

Justice

Ridiculous to book her though.

Booked for someone kicking a ball that hits your arm.

Gonna be hilarious when they miss

damn what a save

Yes to PK, ridic to book

great save, can't wait for it to be chalked off

huh. nice

justice is done

Are yall watching a stream or something, a minute behind?

my stream is pretty behind, it's even behind my coworker's stream by like 10 seconds

Oh right, i'll try to avoid spoilers.

Yes. SlingTV is at least 20 secs behind. By the time i saw the save i had already seen Spottie's post about it

I mean i avoid this thread until after i see something hapoen so i don't consider spoilers a big deal

Weird how the draw has worked out that every second round match is team from Europe v team from elsewhere, even down to being that way round.

Mostly down to European teams winning the groups (or being Scotland) but not quite just that

I'm watching it on television - a technology which may catch on one day.

Canada surrendering somewhat meekly here.

SPOILER ALERT

I suppose you realize this means VAR!

No pen bcz offside

sound the VAR signal

xp lmao

Canada look quite bad

They haven’t looked capable of scoring at all. Sweden have had all the creativity.

Idk why Sweden get frustrated losing the ball. Wait five secs, Canada will give it right back