a safe space to wonder aloud where ghislaine maxwell is
― Simon H., Saturday, 10 August 2019 23:05 (four years ago) link
Let's roll
― flappy bird, Saturday, 10 August 2019 23:06 (four years ago) link
To quote Antonin Artaud, he was suicided by society, just like Van Gogh.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 10 August 2019 23:07 (four years ago) link
Mood. pic.twitter.com/9rSn0Kn1KP— Jeet Heer (@HeerJeet) August 10, 2019
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 10 August 2019 23:09 (four years ago) link
If he’d been allowed to live, he might have revealed that Bill Clinton may have committed sexual misconduct, which would have been truly damaging to the Clinton legacy.
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Saturday, 10 August 2019 23:15 (four years ago) link
Anyway, I voted for 'other': he's safe and sound, tucked away in a paradisiacal underground mansion, at a stone's throw from the earth's molten core.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 10 August 2019 23:16 (four years ago) link
No 12 ft lizard option - no credibility
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Saturday, 10 August 2019 23:17 (four years ago) link
Do I legitimately think he was whacked? Not really, I feel like people powerful enough to kill someone in federal custody could have made it look like a stroke or heart attack or something.
Do I think he definitely could have been whacked? Absolutely. Is it worth playing with to further highlight that he was bros with 50% of the last 4 Presidents and a ton of rich assholes. Also absolutely.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Saturday, 10 August 2019 23:19 (four years ago) link
I'm not one of those The Clintons Did It ppl but I hope we can all understand that what's alleged to have taken place on Epstein's place and elsewhere goes well beyond what Bill's been previously accused of
― Simon H., Saturday, 10 August 2019 23:22 (four years ago) link
I think it's likely there was some intervention in his death.
Not only Clinton would've potentially been implicated in child trafficking,sex slavery and rape but also Dershowitz,Ehud Barak, Prince Andrew, and various influential figures in finance,business etc.
― bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 10 August 2019 23:28 (four years ago) link
You know those murder mysteries where, as you read the first 40 pages, you discover that the corpse was at first thought to have committed suicide, but the circumstances arouse the suspicion of the canny detective (who is the hero of the book) and, upon investigation, the hero quickly finds at least a dozen people who had strong motives to murder the victim and all of them express open delight or relief in the victim's death? Yeah, this is kinda like that, am I right?
― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 10 August 2019 23:38 (four years ago) link
Epstein and Pac, jammin’ in Samoa.
― ... (Eazy), Saturday, 10 August 2019 23:40 (four years ago) link
one for the "grain of salt" files
https://nypost.com/2019/08/10/former-mcc-inmate-theres-no-way-jeffrey-epstein-killed-himself/
― Simon H., Saturday, 10 August 2019 23:41 (four years ago) link
^ Premise of that article is that Epstein would not have been able to hang himself, stab himself, or bludgeon himself in that unit. It says nothing about, oh, let's say an overdose of fentanyl obtained from a guard for a small cash consideration.
― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 10 August 2019 23:59 (four years ago) link
Voted "other" — dude absolutely faked his suicide and was whisked to freedom.
― Been a slow education for (bernard snowy), Sunday, 11 August 2019 00:12 (four years ago) link
Lol dudez
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 11 August 2019 00:15 (four years ago) link
He hanged himself xp
― Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 11 August 2019 00:16 (four years ago) link
as a supporter of the ‘what if his head just... did that’ explanation of jfk’s death, i believe we should give serious credence to the thought that epstein’s neck just... did that
― Criss Angel Raw: The Mindfreak Unplugged (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 11 August 2019 00:22 (four years ago) link
People have spontaneous neck implosions every year, they’re just not widely reported
― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Sunday, 11 August 2019 00:25 (four years ago) link
Of course...
Died of SUICIDE on 24/7 SUICIDE WATCH ? Yeah right! How does that happen#JefferyEpstein had information on Bill Clinton & now he’s deadI see #TrumpBodyCount trending but we know who did this! RT if you’re not Surprised#EpsteinSuicide #ClintonBodyCount #ClintonCrimeFamily pic.twitter.com/Y9tGAWaAxX— Terrence K. Williams (@w_terrence) August 10, 2019
― frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 11 August 2019 00:33 (four years ago) link
^^Retweeted by Yam.
I guess he's....not surprised
― Simon H., Sunday, 11 August 2019 00:34 (four years ago) link
He also retweeted a post about Clinton's trips to the island.
― frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 11 August 2019 00:36 (four years ago) link
I said this on the main politics thread, but his frothing desire to see the Clintons get theirs by any means possible, even if it means spotlighting a case he's been named in repeatedly, really highlights just how special his brain is
― Simon H., Sunday, 11 August 2019 00:37 (four years ago) link
went with "(other)" because i feel like automatic "no way, no conspiracy, nothing to see here folks, move on pls!" talk is just as irresponsible, in its way, as "CLINTON BODY COUNT STRIKES AGAIN" shit.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Sunday, 11 August 2019 00:44 (four years ago) link
i think epstein committed suicide and the fact that he wasn't being adequately monitored was due to gross negligence and not conspiracy
― Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 11 August 2019 00:47 (four years ago) link
^^^^
― Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Sunday, 11 August 2019 00:50 (four years ago) link
if it were just about anyone else I'd definitely agree with you
― Simon H., Sunday, 11 August 2019 00:51 (four years ago) link
either killed or "other"
― ciderpress, Sunday, 11 August 2019 00:53 (four years ago) link
I'm somewhere between 'gross negligence' and 'allowed/encouraged' to do it '
― gbx, Sunday, 11 August 2019 00:54 (four years ago) link
Died of SUICIDE on 24/7 SUICIDE WATCH ?
I notice posts that repeatedly say Epstein was on suicide watch and others that repeatedly say he was taken off suicide watch. That covers all the bases, I guess.
― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 11 August 2019 00:57 (four years ago) link
Negligence or guards just not giving a fuck. As I said on the other thread, some of the most infamous murderers in UK history, who you would expect would be watched extra carefully, have hung themselves in their cells.
― Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Sunday, 11 August 2019 00:57 (four years ago) link
the latter is the case apparently, why he was taken off is an open question
― Simon H., Sunday, 11 August 2019 00:59 (four years ago) link
Yeah - he was on suicide watch w/accompanying psychiatric interviews & whatnot for a while, they decided he wasn’t suicidal, and six days later he killed himself. Ppl framing it like “they conveniently gave him the means to kill himself” like he’s Frank Pentangeli from The Godfather I guess can’t conceive of a committed suicidal person biding their time, keeping up appearances, and not raising any red flags until they’re sure they can get away with it.
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Sunday, 11 August 2019 01:11 (four years ago) link
It’s an “open question” only as much as you believe that mental health diagnosis and treatment in our nations esteemed prison system is foolproof, which if you do, that must be a nice way to live.
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Sunday, 11 August 2019 01:14 (four years ago) link
I...do not think that. I just think the particular circumstances (both how high-profile the case is and how suicide-proofed the facility is meant to be, still waiting for a contradictory take on the MCC) are sus
― Simon H., Sunday, 11 August 2019 01:16 (four years ago) link
"Don't worry about anything, Jeffrey Epstein.""Thanks, Alan--thanks."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U89DzP8NGM4
― clemenza, Sunday, 11 August 2019 01:18 (four years ago) link
conspiracy doesn't apply here
it's thunderingly obvious what essentially happened
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 11 August 2019 02:20 (four years ago) link
Hillary used her ninja training to sneak into his cell and defeat him?
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 11 August 2019 02:23 (four years ago) link
i'm sure at a minimum JE was advised that "a Whitey Bulger" awaited him
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 11 August 2019 02:24 (four years ago) link
Whitey Bulger lasted a lot longer.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 11 August 2019 02:26 (four years ago) link
u guys do recall that Trump and the Clintons were pals for a couple decades, right?
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 11 August 2019 02:33 (four years ago) link
Welp
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 11 August 2019 03:23 (four years ago) link
assuming that d’angelo barksdale clip will get some mileage
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Sunday, 11 August 2019 03:57 (four years ago) link
yeah, it's hard to watch. hasn't it been confirmed that he was recently taken off of suicide watch? i for one cannot believe trump wouldn't factcheck the people he retweets
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 11 August 2019 04:18 (four years ago) link
lol
have you seen photos of the body? it’s obviously not him. my guess is, epstein’s on a private plane to somewhere in the middle east getting prepped for plastic surgery right now #EpsteinBodyDouble— Foster The People (@fosterthepeople) August 11, 2019
― Simon H., Sunday, 11 August 2019 04:23 (four years ago) link
Pumped Up Epps
― frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 11 August 2019 04:29 (four years ago) link
who killed j epstein?
http://powet.tv/powetblog/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/robert_hegyes_as_juan_epstein_in_welcome_back_kotter.jpg
― buzza, Sunday, 11 August 2019 04:44 (four years ago) link
I knew this storyline felt like a retread
Remember when the Panama Papers revealed global level finance crimes and the only thing that happened was that the journalist who released them got killed?— Joe Biden retire, bitch (@YourFriendCrud) August 10, 2019
― Simon H., Sunday, 11 August 2019 06:09 (four years ago) link
who even remembers at this point that the paradise papers followed that, to even less impact
― Criss Angel Raw: The Mindfreak Unplugged (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 11 August 2019 07:25 (four years ago) link
this twitter thread seemed pretty enlightening re: suicide watch, and what that means in practice
Incoming thread.Content warning: discussion of suicidal ideation and suicide watch protocol.Today is an emotionally tough day. Bowing out is fine. Being furious is 100% reasonable. Warning.— CZEdwards (@CZEdwards) August 10, 2019
― soref, Sunday, 11 August 2019 08:26 (four years ago) link
excellent read soref thks
― phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Sunday, 11 August 2019 08:37 (four years ago) link
Indeed, thanks soref.
― pomenitul, Sunday, 11 August 2019 09:02 (four years ago) link
I'm not fully up on the details, but I don't see how Epstein even countenances suicide BEFORE a trial. He'd have a reasonable expectation he could beat the case surely. After a conviction, well. thats a different story
People being murdered in prison is hardly an unusual occurrence
No one ever thought this guy was going to make trial
― anvil, Sunday, 11 August 2019 09:12 (four years ago) link
He'd have a reasonable expectation he could beat the case surely.
I'm sure he had a reasonable expectation he was going to get bail, when he didn't get it maybe the sky finally fell in. Tbh I don't want to spend another minute thinking about his POS and am dissappointed at myself for commenting itt.
― Ned Trifle X, Sunday, 11 August 2019 10:12 (four years ago) link
Hillary didn't lose the "election"; she lost the coin toss backstage, overseen by the lizard people who secretly guide all world events. Then she just had to "make it look good" and vanish off the public stage once her role in the Grand Design was complete. Do I have that right, Morbs?
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Sunday, 11 August 2019 11:32 (four years ago) link
Don't have stats to hand but people killing themselves in prison is far less unusual.
― Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Sunday, 11 August 2019 11:33 (four years ago) link
I really don’t get the impulse to pooh-pooh people for having conspiracy theories about this when the person in question here was being prosecuted for participating in A MASSIVE CONSPIRACY
Epstein may or may not have been whacked but how can you blame people for thinking he was?
If you want this downplayed because you think it will give ammunition to the right, well, whose fault is that? The Clintons willingly chose to associate (extensively) with this guy. A staggering amount of famous liberals did, even AFTER he had been charged the first time.
People believe in conspiracy theories about the wealthy and powerful being depraved monsters who can get away with anything because they are constantly being given good reason to believe it.
And if you dismiss their concerns about it, they’ll happily fall under the sway of something like Qanon
― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Sunday, 11 August 2019 11:45 (four years ago) link
Right, exactly! I don't think anyone here is going to dispute that people die regularly in prison, both by their own hand and by the hands of others. It is far from outlandish to suggest the people are murdered in prison, and that certain people are potentially more at risk of this happening to them.
After trial, I'd take a sucide explanation all day long. Before? I can't see it
― anvil, Sunday, 11 August 2019 12:09 (four years ago) link
there's a pretty blinkered anti-conspiracy strain of thought that resembles Richard Dawkins' dogmatic brand of atheism...more abt intellectual arrogance than anything else
one thing for sure about this guy, he killed himself or he didn't
― The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 11 August 2019 12:33 (four years ago) link
I mean either way there are enough complexities (psychological or conspiratorial) to make me wonder how some rando on twitter (or ILX) can be all "NO!" about it
― The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 11 August 2019 12:34 (four years ago) link
OTM
― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Sunday, 11 August 2019 12:42 (four years ago) link
The 3rd option that I've seen people claim is that the body isn't estrone st all. Photos show the substitute is clearly different to the living Epstein so he's been spirited away somewhere comfortable.Which really is a conspiracy theory.Like.But is one I've seen circulating.
― Stevolende, Sunday, 11 August 2019 12:48 (four years ago) link
― Criss Angel Raw: The Mindfreak Unplugged (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 11 August 2019 12:59 (four years ago) link
(xp) It might be intellectually arrogant of me to comment, so I'll pass on that one.
― Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:03 (four years ago) link
xp tool + rube
^using it
― The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:03 (four years ago) link
another victory for fat-thumbed typing
― Criss Angel Raw: The Mindfreak Unplugged (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:04 (four years ago) link
Anyway, this is all American stuff, who cares about the Clintons, Prince Andrew being outed as a paedo will suit me fine.
― Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:05 (four years ago) link
honestly I think Clintons are behind my sciatica
― The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:09 (four years ago) link
could be some royals too though
I'm not fully up on the details, but I don't see how Epstein even countenances suicide BEFORE a trial. He'd have a reasonable expectation he could beat the case surely.
Again, I don’t really track why people are so quick to attribute any level of rational thinking to the insane pedophile sex slaver who built an impregnation ranch
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:10 (four years ago) link
was he insane?
he pretty rationally figured he could get away with this, it went on for a very long time
― The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:13 (four years ago) link
The twitter thread soref posted really says it all
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:13 (four years ago) link
I corrected a predictive text back to epstein on the previous comment. I thought it had become a recognised option for the phone then it posted wrong again.But there is a conspiracy theory circulating that e body isn't epstein at all. Which is another way of seeing things.Gone back to his lizard friends?
― Stevolende, Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:14 (four years ago) link
omg, insane Twitter liberals actually *are* theorizing Putin did it. And Perrin just thought he was joking.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:15 (four years ago) link
Perrin would know
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:15 (four years ago) link
Xp I mean obviously hats a flip word to use but I think most would agree that an overview of his life & work would revea some glaring flaws in his decisionmaking skills
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:16 (four years ago) link
I guess but only if you share his moral code, like he was entirely right that ppl would be down with his plan
― The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:21 (four years ago) link
starting an impregnation ranch is less bonkers when seen as an elaborate cover for sex island, getting a sort of free pass as an eccentric or horny Dr. Moreau
― The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:24 (four years ago) link
we've all had to stan for embarrassing cover story fantasies when trying to get pet projects approved tbf
― phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:26 (four years ago) link
Boris Johnson to thread
― The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:31 (four years ago) link
omg, insane Twitter liberals actually *are* theorizing Putin did it. And Perrin just thought he was joking.― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius)
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius)
this is no more insane than thinking the Clintons ordered it
― Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:33 (four years ago) link
possibly so
no one has to "order it."
it's What Needs to Be Done.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:44 (four years ago) link
Epstein had plenty of agency himself to decide to take his own life to protect his rich buddies.
― Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:46 (four years ago) link
Anyway, this is all American stuff, who cares about the Clintons, Prince Andrew being outed as a paedo will suit me fine.― Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Sunday, August 11, 2019 1:05 PM (forty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
― Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Sunday, August 11, 2019 1:05 PM (forty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
Prince Andrew's a WHAT?!Thought he was just a gun-runner, or was that Mark Thatcher?
― crumhorn invasion (Matt #2), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:51 (four years ago) link
wd his loyalty extend that far? xp
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:51 (four years ago) link
well he had plenty of other reasons to kill himself, such as "no future" and "complete and utter humiliation"
― Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:53 (four years ago) link
I didn't realize we were doing specifics! I'd like to restate in that case. I think is likely he was murdered but I have no idea who by
― anvil, Sunday, 11 August 2019 13:54 (four years ago) link
Somehow both my mom and my brother are pretty sure it was auto-erotic asphyxiation from sex addiction.
― ... (Eazy), Sunday, 11 August 2019 15:25 (four years ago) link
effrey Epstein, the financier who hanged himself in a federal jail in Manhattan, was supposed to have been checked by guards every 30 minutes, but that procedure was not being followed the night before he was found, a law-enforcement official with knowledge of his detention said.In addition, the jail had transferred his cellmate and allowed Mr. Epstein to be housed alone in a cell just two weeks after he had been taken off suicide watch, a decision that also violated the jail’s normal procedure, two officials said.
In addition, the jail had transferred his cellmate and allowed Mr. Epstein to be housed alone in a cell just two weeks after he had been taken off suicide watch, a decision that also violated the jail’s normal procedure, two officials said.
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 11 August 2019 15:29 (four years ago) link
I really don’t get the impulse to pooh-pooh people for having conspiracy theories about this when the person in question here was being prosecuted for participating in A MASSIVE CONSPIRACY Epstein may or may not have been whacked but how can you blame people for thinking he was? If you want this downplayed because you think it will give ammunition to the right, well, whose fault is that? The Clintons willingly chose to associate (extensively) with this guy. A staggering amount of famous liberals did, even AFTER he had been charged the first time. People believe in conspiracy theories about the wealthy and powerful being depraved monsters who can get away with anything because they are constantly being given good reason to believe it. And if you dismiss their concerns about it, they’ll happily fall under the sway of something like Qanon
― flappy bird, Sunday, 11 August 2019 15:35 (four years ago) link
it's wild that AG Barr gets to chime in on this case without a hundred people screaming at him abt his family ties
― Simon H., Sunday, 11 August 2019 15:56 (four years ago) link
I just think people who say Epstein was murdered are talking out their asses and I feel it’s my duty to call them out on it if not shame them for it. What’s the big deal
― Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 11 August 2019 16:05 (four years ago) link
gotta bring a sledgehammer to that echo chamber that amplifies any half-baked titillating suspicion that pops into people’s heads
― Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 11 August 2019 16:07 (four years ago) link
I have the distinct impression that the reflexive "he killed himself obv" people are the ones who know less, not more, about the case
― Simon H., Sunday, 11 August 2019 16:10 (four years ago) link
frankly whether he killed himself or he was offed is not very interesting to me because if it's the latter it's not like that is going to get cracked and solved. I"m more interested in seeing where this investigation into Maxwell and his other employees goes.
― akm, Sunday, 11 August 2019 16:13 (four years ago) link
Simon if you know some details I don’t that indicate he was murdered feel free to share them!
― Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 11 August 2019 16:35 (four years ago) link
Just read the Miami herald story
― flappy bird, Sunday, 11 August 2019 16:39 (four years ago) link
really?
― american bradass (BradNelson), Sunday, 11 August 2019 16:40 (four years ago) link
this I assume is the specific Miami Herald piece fb is thinking of
Facing a 53-page federal indictment, Epstein could have ended up in federal prison for the rest of his life.But on the morning of the breakfast meeting, a deal was struck — an extraordinary plea agreement that would conceal the full extent of Epstein’s crimes and the number of people involved.Not only would Epstein serve just 13 months in the county jail, but the deal — called a non-prosecution agreement — essentially shut down an ongoing FBI probe into whether there were more victims and other powerful people who took part in Epstein’s sex crimes, according to a Miami Herald examination of thousands of emails, court documents and FBI records.The pact required Epstein to plead guilty to two prostitution charges in state court. Epstein and four of his accomplices named in the agreement received immunity from all federal criminal charges. But even more unusual, the deal included wording that granted immunity to “any potential co-conspirators’’ who were also involved in Epstein’s crimes. These accomplices or participants were not identified in the agreement, leaving it open to interpretation whether it possibly referred to other influential people who were having sex with underage girls at Epstein’s various homes or on his plane.As part of the arrangement, Acosta agreed, despite a federal law to the contrary, that the deal would be kept from the victims. As a result, the non-prosecution agreement was sealed until after it was approved by the judge, thereby averting any chance that the girls — or anyone else — might show up in court and try to derail it.
But on the morning of the breakfast meeting, a deal was struck — an extraordinary plea agreement that would conceal the full extent of Epstein’s crimes and the number of people involved.
Not only would Epstein serve just 13 months in the county jail, but the deal — called a non-prosecution agreement — essentially shut down an ongoing FBI probe into whether there were more victims and other powerful people who took part in Epstein’s sex crimes, according to a Miami Herald examination of thousands of emails, court documents and FBI records.
The pact required Epstein to plead guilty to two prostitution charges in state court. Epstein and four of his accomplices named in the agreement received immunity from all federal criminal charges. But even more unusual, the deal included wording that granted immunity to “any potential co-conspirators’’ who were also involved in Epstein’s crimes. These accomplices or participants were not identified in the agreement, leaving it open to interpretation whether it possibly referred to other influential people who were having sex with underage girls at Epstein’s various homes or on his plane.
As part of the arrangement, Acosta agreed, despite a federal law to the contrary, that the deal would be kept from the victims. As a result, the non-prosecution agreement was sealed until after it was approved by the judge, thereby averting any chance that the girls — or anyone else — might show up in court and try to derail it.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article220097825.html
― Simon H., Sunday, 11 August 2019 16:49 (four years ago) link
tho tbh revisiting this piece now it seems like a "tip of the iceberg" type deal, no mention of Mossad, Donald Barr, his mysterious/possibly nonexistent "hedge fund" etc
― Simon H., Sunday, 11 August 2019 17:02 (four years ago) link
A friend has the best reasoning why it wasn't suicide- "He was a rich white man and thus he had staff and didn’t lift a finger unless it was to penetrate a 14 year old’s vagina." She gets kicked off of fb a lot.
― Yerac, Sunday, 11 August 2019 17:12 (four years ago) link
Are there any theories abt why the all-powerful global bilderberg elite decided not to slip him one of the many discreet, barely-detectable drugs known to be used by spy agencies around the world which can induce heart attack & suffocation virtually indistinguishable from a 'natural' death? As opposed to a faked suicide by hanging, which would obviously involve strong ppl, violence, forcible restraint, cajoling the silence of who knows how many guards & inmates, etc?
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Sunday, 11 August 2019 17:16 (four years ago) link
He probably wasn't murdered per se, but I don't think it's at all inconcievable that a certain amount of coercion and blind eye turning was involved.
― chap, Sunday, 11 August 2019 17:22 (four years ago) link
― The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, August 11, 2019 12:33 PM (four hours ago)
yeah, this is otm
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Sunday, 11 August 2019 17:28 (four years ago) link
again, the extremely detailed & informative twitter thread posted by soref explains so much & really seems like the last word on this, I cant believe this thread has outlasted that post
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Sunday, 11 August 2019 17:32 (four years ago) link
― flappy bird, Sunday, 11 August 2019 17:33 (four years ago) link
― american bradass (BradNelson), Sunday, August 11, 2019 4:40 PM (fifty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
Yes, really. It’s no secret that a lot of people get sucked into the right through conspiracy theories. And yes, most of these theories are patently absurd, but many of them are seductive because they have some sort of connection to reality, no matter how skewed. Look at how long conspiracy theorists have dined out on Cointelpro and MK Ultra (both historically real and destructive secret programs), for example. And fuck, we just learned a few years ago that the NSA spies on everybody. Why would you trust anyone who tells you there’s nothing to worry about?
So when something like the Epstein case comes along that involves so many nodes of real-world power, and the man at the center of it turns up dead...welp.
Epstein’s death is inherently charged by the very nature of the crimes he was accused of and the circles he operated in. It does not mean he was murdered but scoffing at people who think it’s a little fishy seems to me a misguided and frankly rather patronizing impulse.
― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Sunday, 11 August 2019 17:37 (four years ago) link
Prince Andrew and his mother being chauffeured to church this morning. pic.twitter.com/GshGJbEPBx— Garbage 🦍 (@GarbageApe) August 11, 2019
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Sunday, 11 August 2019 17:48 (four years ago) link
lock thread
― Criss Angel Raw: The Mindfreak Unplugged (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 11 August 2019 17:49 (four years ago) link
LOL
― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Sunday, 11 August 2019 17:51 (four years ago) link
which one is Andrew
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 11 August 2019 17:52 (four years ago) link
Come on now, who among us hasnt ever been that excited for a nice long day of church tbh
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Sunday, 11 August 2019 17:56 (four years ago) link
Basically anyone running with some Infowars type theory here, without any evidence, has lost all credibility to me. not that u care but fuk u anyway
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 11 August 2019 18:00 (four years ago) link
conspiracy theories are funny and I understand why people get seduced by them. However I don’t have any respect for people who are seduced by them and I fail to see why I should make the effort to invent respect for them.
― Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 11 August 2019 18:00 (four years ago) link
If you wanna compare me to Richard Dawkins then LOL u mad
― Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 11 August 2019 18:01 (four years ago) link
It does not mean he was murdered but scoffing at people who think it’s a little fishy seems to me a misguided and frankly rather patronizing impulse.
― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Sunday, August 11, 2019 10:37 AM (twenty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
*i* think it's a little fishy! awfully convenient! i still don't understand how my scoffing is gonna make people think q is real
― american bradass (BradNelson), Sunday, 11 August 2019 18:01 (four years ago) link
we need to let people believe shit that is 90% insane or else they’ll start believing shit that is 100% insane
― Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 11 August 2019 18:03 (four years ago) link
Awaiting the Ghislaine extradition order/search warrants.
Curious whether there are any binational compacts between the US and UK that would get UK law enforcement involved.
― hedonic treadmill class action (Sanpaku), Sunday, 11 August 2019 18:03 (four years ago) link
astrology > conspiracy theories
― american bradass (BradNelson), Sunday, 11 August 2019 18:04 (four years ago) link
maybe put "fascination with true crime" in between astrology and conspiracy theories there, imo my generation sucks
― american bradass (BradNelson), Sunday, 11 August 2019 18:05 (four years ago) link
h8 true crime
― Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 11 August 2019 18:06 (four years ago) link
can't believe there are so many idiots who think there's something suspicious about the convenient death of a guy who had dirt on a lot of powerful ppl, that's like thinking that the US would go to war using fake evidence or something
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Sunday, 11 August 2019 18:08 (four years ago) link
― Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 11 August 2019 18:03 (one minute ago) link
Well, you’re framing it in terms of “let” which is the fucking problem in a nutshell.
― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Sunday, 11 August 2019 18:09 (four years ago) link
peeps be thinkin life is a Jason Bourne movie
― calstars, Sunday, 11 August 2019 18:11 (four years ago) link
― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Sunday, August 11, 2019 11:09 AM (fifteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
... are people who believe in conspiracy theories really this persecuted
― american bradass (BradNelson), Sunday, 11 August 2019 18:25 (four years ago) link
President Keyes, if someone had "theorized" a conspiracy that involved child sex trafficking on a remote island involving a cabal of pols and captains of industry...would that person have lost your respect?
I don't get it...I mean conspiracies exist, people are convicted of conspiring all the time. Theories abt conspiracies range from the unfounded and absurd (pizzagate) to the likely (dark money, name your lobby).
A banket dismissal of "conspiracy theories" is meaningless.
(if I had to guess I'd say Epstein killed himself, but nobody itt has any idea, and teah, ppl have been offed in prison for much less)
― The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 11 August 2019 18:29 (four years ago) link
it's just completely exasperating to me.
― Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 11 August 2019 18:31 (four years ago) link
this particularly conspiracy theory i think is highly credible but it still doesn't produce much thought beyond "huh maybe that happened" which is i assume why we're talking about how people who believe in conspiracy theories being clowned on is like richard dawkins being an islamophobe or whatever
― american bradass (BradNelson), Sunday, 11 August 2019 18:35 (four years ago) link
crutis do you think he killed himself bcz he was sad or bcz he was encouraged to do so
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Sunday, 11 August 2019 18:36 (four years ago) link
Lonely guy just thinking baout long term imprisonment as a procurer of underage girls
― Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Sunday, 11 August 2019 18:38 (four years ago) link
https://thehardtimes.net/culture/conspiracy-podcast-suggests-link-between-epstein-death-and-lack-of-comfortable-casper-mattress-in-cell/
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Sunday, 11 August 2019 18:38 (four years ago) link
conspiracies exist, people are convicted of conspiring all the time.
I agree that criminal conspiracies are fairly common, in that the only requirement for a conspiracy is that two people agree together to knowingly break a law and then act upon that agreement. But convictions for conspiracy are rare, if only because prosecutors hate to bring 'conspiracy' charges, as opposed to criminal charges based solely on actions taken, rather than considering the prior agreement to act as a separate charge, thus muddying their case and making it needlessly complex.
― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 11 August 2019 18:38 (four years ago) link
do you think he killed himself bcz he was sad or bcz he was encouraged to do so
I recommend reading the Twitter thread soref linked to upthread.
― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 11 August 2019 18:40 (four years ago) link
lol tom
I think there are a number of reasons epstein would have killed himself. just thinking baout things probably less likely than wanting to take his fate into his own hands. the twitter thread soref posted makes sense to me, ymmv
xps
― Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 11 August 2019 18:46 (four years ago) link
― calstars, Sunday, 11 August 2019 18:46 (four years ago) link
I read the thread last night, was just curious abt crut’s thoughts 💭
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Sunday, 11 August 2019 18:48 (four years ago) link
good lord you shouldn't be though
― Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 11 August 2019 18:49 (four years ago) link
if you like old Robert Stack-hosted episodes of Unsolved Mysteries does it mean you like true crime y/n
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 11 August 2019 18:55 (four years ago) link
i did like unsolved mysteries as a kid. great theme tune.
― Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 11 August 2019 18:57 (four years ago) link
there's a pretty blinkered anti-conspiracy strain of thought that resembles Richard Dawkins' dogmatic brand of atheism...more abt intellectual arrogance than anything else― The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, August 11, 2019 12:33 PM (four hours ago)yeah, this is otm
― brimstead, Sunday, 11 August 2019 18:58 (four years ago) link
great thread!!
The problem ultimately is the term “conspiracy theory” itself, which is a pernicious umbrella that lumps together disparate real and imagined events. With this term, speculation about a guy (maybe!) being offed in jail is implicitly put on the same level of plausibility as Kubrick faking the Moon Landing or whatever.
― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Sunday, 11 August 2019 18:59 (four years ago) link
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/16/books/review/kate-tuttle-true-crime-women.amp.html
― brimstead, Sunday, 11 August 2019 19:01 (four years ago) link
xxp wtf is your problem?
I've said I have absolutely no idea, repeatedly.
(I think it's probably suicide. I don't get the vehemence on either side of this.)
― The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 11 August 2019 19:01 (four years ago) link
latebloomer otm
― The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 11 August 2019 19:02 (four years ago) link
not the best essay but whatever I’ll flounce now
― brimstead, Sunday, 11 August 2019 19:02 (four years ago) link
― flappy bird, Sunday, 11 August 2019 19:03 (four years ago) link
i agree that not all conspiracy theories are equal, and obviously there's an actual conspiracy at the heart of the epstein stuff, but that doesn't mean the claims he was murdered don't deserve scrutiny
― Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 11 August 2019 19:04 (four years ago) link
xp sorry I usually skip over your posts
― brimstead, Sunday, 11 August 2019 19:04 (four years ago) link
lol not you flappy
This Robert Maxwell biography is still in print after 17 years, and is rising the microgenre sales lists. I don't think it's irrelevant to the Epstein case.
― hedonic treadmill class action (Sanpaku), Sunday, 11 August 2019 19:06 (four years ago) link
Given that both murder and suicide are plausible here I'm surprised at the strength of feeling
― anvil, Sunday, 11 August 2019 19:15 (four years ago) link
Yeah many XP’s here but I feel like if you bond yourself to bullshit theories you will forever be not credible
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 11 August 2019 19:30 (four years ago) link
For the record, I think it was probably suicide. I just don’t think it’s crazy to suspect that it wasn’t.
― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Sunday, 11 August 2019 19:31 (four years ago) link
Like in the months after 9/11 I went to a Howard Zinn lecture and he refused to dismiss the idea that Israel was behind the attacks. At that point he lost my respect and could never earn it back.
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 11 August 2019 19:33 (four years ago) link
It’s fine. If there’s credible info I will listen bye knee jerk conspiracy can fuck off imo
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 11 August 2019 19:34 (four years ago) link
fair enough I guess!
― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Sunday, 11 August 2019 19:37 (four years ago) link
tbf re: Zinn, old leftists are sadly prone to Anti-Semitic Crank disease
― Simon H., Sunday, 11 August 2019 19:47 (four years ago) link
We're living in an era in which Israel has supported Al-Qaeda affiliated militia's in Syria's civil conflict, American think-tank conservatives have hailed Jabhat al-Nusra, and American airpower has supported them. I don't think there's any evidence Isreal played a role in Al-Qaeda circa 2001, but Israel is a state that follows its own foreign policy which is at best orthogonal to America's long term interests.
― hedonic treadmill class action (Sanpaku), Sunday, 11 August 2019 19:57 (four years ago) link
As soon as the M-word crops up conspiracy-tinged conversations I tend to make my excuses and leave.
― Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Sunday, 11 August 2019 20:07 (four years ago) link
Yes man I agree without you on everything. However I also believe that every bullshit theory needs to be dismissed, especially by those who are famous/in power
It’s hard to believe there are people here who disagree but whatever
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 11 August 2019 20:14 (four years ago) link
Nice of Keyes to drop in and explain his superiority to us peons.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Sunday, 11 August 2019 20:15 (four years ago) link
Ppl tryna have it both ways, shrugging their shoulders like “I’m not saying it’s a conspiracy but murder, suicide, who can say, both are equally plausible”, forgetting the fat that there is no evidence supporting murder (or murder-adjacent conspiracy theories) and actual evidence supporting suicide
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Sunday, 11 August 2019 20:17 (four years ago) link
Yeah basically
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 11 August 2019 20:20 (four years ago) link
Do you guy really excuse conspiracy fucks if they are on your side?
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 11 August 2019 20:22 (four years ago) link
I read the thread last night, was just curious abt crut’s thoughts 💭― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Monday, August 12, 2019 4:48 AM (one hour ago) good lord you shouldn't be though― Vape Store (crüt), Monday, August 12, 2019 4:49 AM (one hour ago)
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Monday, August 12, 2019 4:48 AM (one hour ago)
― Vape Store (crüt), Monday, August 12, 2019 4:49 AM (one hour ago)
do u think Maxwell was suicide or nah though
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Sunday, 11 August 2019 20:22 (four years ago) link
Technically speaking, not a single person here has access to evidence either way.
What's the conspiracy?
Right-wing and left-wing 'conspiracies' mirror their broader political ideologies - right-wing conspiracies overwhelmingly assume the existence of an alien body undermining good decent American society. Left-wing conspiracies mirror the left's reading of the role of power and wealth in America. (COINTELPRO was real. The pigs killed Fred Hampton. The CIA actively worked with Nazis during the Cold War and trafficked drugs. yada yada yada)
If you can't grasp a difference in these mindsets, that's your problem.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Sunday, 11 August 2019 20:31 (four years ago) link
I think if you can determine between proven government conspiracies that have been proven by decades of info and jumping onto some new death to tie it to Hillary or etc. then yeah there is something wrong with your brain
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 11 August 2019 20:37 (four years ago) link
- Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 11 August 2019 bookmarkflaglink
🤔
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 11 August 2019 20:43 (four years ago) link
I was about to say, maybe he knows more than he lets on
― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Sunday, 11 August 2019 20:45 (four years ago) link
cool that we can talk about what rly went down in like 45 years time lol
― Aston "Family Court" Barrett (Bananaman Begins), Sunday, 11 August 2019 20:45 (four years ago) link
tie it to Hillary
Man, you are a dipshit.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Sunday, 11 August 2019 20:48 (four years ago) link
Has anyone ever figured out how Epstein amassed a high 9-digit fortune while trading his own account? Hedge fund billionaires skimming 20% of profits off other people's money is a lot easier. Ghislaine Maxwell, post bankruptcy collapse of dad's business empire, is another character with no visible means of support.
― hedonic treadmill class action (Sanpaku), Sunday, 11 August 2019 20:49 (four years ago) link
Les Wexler claims that Epstein stole low 9-digits from him, doesn't he?
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Sunday, 11 August 2019 20:50 (four years ago) link
So, ultimately, Epstein's sex predation was funded by Victoria's Secret consumers. Always thought there was something sinister about the word PINK on asses.
― hedonic treadmill class action (Sanpaku), Sunday, 11 August 2019 21:07 (four years ago) link
You got meI’m dying dog
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 11 August 2019 21:07 (four years ago) link
Keyes yr the only person itt who is knee-jerk
― flappy bird, Sunday, 11 August 2019 21:07 (four years ago) link
Ok cool so there hasn’t been a whole weekend of conspiracy stud it’s just me ok
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 11 August 2019 21:09 (four years ago) link
Stuff
I'm the conspiracy stud around here.
― Simon H., Sunday, 11 August 2019 21:10 (four years ago) link
Yes, there are people talking about conspiracies. You immediately leap to lumping the word in with "Hillary personally led the Benghazi attack" nuts, which is why you're a dipshit.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Sunday, 11 August 2019 21:11 (four years ago) link
the stud is dan bidondi irrc
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 11 August 2019 21:12 (four years ago) link
Simma simma bros
― calstars, Sunday, 11 August 2019 21:14 (four years ago) link
Whatever I’m obviously a nobody publicizing my viewsJust treat me like morons posting Perrin tweets if you can’t abide
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 11 August 2019 21:16 (four years ago) link
Lol I meant morbs but autocorrect hmm
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 11 August 2019 21:26 (four years ago) link
there really hasn't been anyone on this thread claiming with any conviction that any particular conspiracy is true. Saying he may have been murdered or received a push or assistance in killing himself is pretty mild speculation.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 11 August 2019 21:27 (four years ago) link
Devils' advocate: another anonymous source w/ knowledge of the prison, this time claiming guards were on heavy forced OT
https://www.miamiherald.com/latest-news/article233762702.html
― Simon H., Sunday, 11 August 2019 21:28 (four years ago) link
Fits with my indifference/routinely shitty systems theory
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 11 August 2019 21:34 (four years ago) link
Btw I’m not just talking about people on this thread but the entirely of left Twitter which spent this weekend in some q anon bs
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 11 August 2019 21:36 (four years ago) link
Not just left twitter!
― Simon H., Sunday, 11 August 2019 21:38 (four years ago) link
Might be the people you follow...
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 11 August 2019 21:38 (four years ago) link
I mean you can do that all you want as long as long as there’s one lonely person on a message board calling you a dipshit
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 11 August 2019 21:39 (four years ago) link
I have the same reaction whenever anyone complains about this or that Twitter meltdown: I savor the little bubble I've cultivated and the joys of the mute list.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 11 August 2019 21:42 (four years ago) link
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, August 11, 2019 5:27 PM (fourteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
yeah the indignation around this is kind of hilarious, nobody in here srsly has any dog in this fight
many xps brimstead I'm really not sure what the sore spot is here but I never had you sussed out as such a prick before, thx for the heads up
― The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 11 August 2019 21:51 (four years ago) link
Think it was probably murder, but it's not insane to think it might not have been
― Aston "Family Court" Barrett (Bananaman Begins), Sunday, 11 August 2019 21:59 (four years ago) link
^^
That's where I'm at.
― Simon H., Sunday, 11 August 2019 22:02 (four years ago) link
Who murdered him?
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 11 August 2019 22:04 (four years ago) link
Give me some evidence you shitbirds
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 11 August 2019 22:06 (four years ago) link
lol i'm fuckin culombo now hey
― Aston "Family Court" Barrett (Bananaman Begins), Sunday, 11 August 2019 22:09 (four years ago) link
columbo
― Aston "Family Court" Barrett (Bananaman Begins), Sunday, 11 August 2019 22:10 (four years ago) link
spoiled the riposte, but stumbled on a decent multilingual pun there
― Aston "Family Court" Barrett (Bananaman Begins), Sunday, 11 August 2019 22:11 (four years ago) link
IE the left-wing conspiracies identify the alien body as the FBI - which the right-wing conspiracies now agree with.
― Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 11 August 2019 22:12 (four years ago) link
the difference being that left-wing conspiracists don't see such forces as "alien" whatsoever
― Simon H., Sunday, 11 August 2019 22:15 (four years ago) link
(well, one difference, anyway)
― Simon H., Sunday, 11 August 2019 22:18 (four years ago) link
I think you are crediting a lot of people with more nuance than they're showing.
― Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 11 August 2019 22:24 (four years ago) link
Again, the extremely detailed & informative tweet by foster the people explains so much & really seems like the last word on this, I cant believe this thread has outlasted that post
― ... (Eazy), Sunday, 11 August 2019 22:33 (four years ago) link
Yeah. Hearty lol that the angry anti-conspiracists seem to think some rando's twitter thread should be the final word on this. I think it was suicide as well, but I really don't get the anger.
― Frederik B, Sunday, 11 August 2019 22:38 (four years ago) link
I really appreciated learning all the details of why suicide watch doesn’t last long and how it works. I have to think we’ll find out more about this case soon (cameras? etc.).
― ... (Eazy), Sunday, 11 August 2019 22:49 (four years ago) link
It was a good thread. As these things goes. But it's not exactly media literate to read some tweets and then shout at people for not agreeing.
― Frederik B, Sunday, 11 August 2019 22:55 (four years ago) link
Dont feel like I'm angrily shouting at people itt? But w/e. The twitter thread (by a writer informed in that field) goes into great detail about how suicide watch works in in-patient facilities, something that many ppl itt obviously didnt know about before posting stuff like "the fact that he wasnt on 24/7 watch is telling evidence that someone wanted him dead" or "hm he was taken off suicide watch and then coincidentally killed himself? v sus, obvious intentionality at play behind his death", which is the essential logic behind a great majority of the conspiracy-friendly posts itt. If you think it's "not exactly media literate" to not give equal weight to the foster the people dude then w/e, i dunno what to tell you.
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Sunday, 11 August 2019 23:16 (four years ago) link
Like literally that thread contains the key information that many posters are referring to when they say "I'm not saying its a conspiracy but there certainly are a lot of strange unanswered questions about what happened"
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Sunday, 11 August 2019 23:22 (four years ago) link
Yes, that suicide watch tweet was interesting and, immediately after it, I read this on wiki:
The initially strict suicide watch having been relaxed,[163] on 1 January 1995 Fred West asphyxiated himself[164] in his cell by wrapping an improvised rope he had constructed from a blanket and tags he had stolen from prison laundry bags[165] around his neck, then binding this device to a door handle and window catchment, and sinking to his knees.[165]
― Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Sunday, 11 August 2019 23:25 (four years ago) link
sad that you would trust wikipedia on that when the foster the people dude hasnt yet weighed in, smdh
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Sunday, 11 August 2019 23:29 (four years ago) link
idk all the angry ppl itt seem to be on the conspiracy side imo
― phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Sunday, 11 August 2019 23:49 (four years ago) link
anyway seeing as this is an ilx memorial thread i think we should all only share personal memories of how we engaged with the subjects work
― phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Sunday, 11 August 2019 23:52 (four years ago) link
I'm not angry for the record. I am calm and posting as I normally do
― Simon H., Sunday, 11 August 2019 23:55 (four years ago) link
Had the pleasure of meeting Jeffrey Epstein at a charity do once. He was surprisingly down to earth, and VERY funny.
― Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Sunday, 11 August 2019 23:55 (four years ago) link
(with apologies to Limmy)
I think it’s messed up that a federal holding jail has both a horrible rep for conditions and they would be less than cautious when taking someone off suicide watch on one hand, epstein could have been a high value person to prosecute due to the number of people he could incriminate on the stand, or the context he could provide to all the creepy shit at his houses/island. on the other hand, he’s jailed in a place with overworked staff who only see him as an exploiter and they’re disincentivized to give a shit about a rich man who did horrible things. it’s down to whether institutional or intentional negligence let him off himself. or, who knows, they let one of his fellow inmates in his cell during social hour for questionable reasons?
― untuned mass damper (mh), Sunday, 11 August 2019 23:56 (four years ago) link
I hope both truthers and deniers can both enjoy a hearty lol @ this
Michael Baden, huh? pic.twitter.com/svMT0TGSfY— TrueAnon Pod (@TrueAnonPod) August 11, 2019
― Simon H., Monday, 12 August 2019 00:00 (four years ago) link
It's all cool
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 12 August 2019 00:04 (four years ago) link
certainly seems to be the case now that this jail was a fucked up mess of administrative shittiness which is probably true for every fucking jail and prison in america
― akm, Monday, 12 August 2019 00:22 (four years ago) link
Xxp That’s hysterical. Feel like that c.v. could make for a good erroll morris movie
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Monday, 12 August 2019 00:23 (four years ago) link
Wonder if anyone tried anything with Chapo all the time he was being held in the same cell block.
― ... (Eazy), Monday, 12 August 2019 00:26 (four years ago) link
I totally believe Epstein took his own life, considering the crimes he's charged with and having been abandoned by his powerful friends on both sides, with basically no chance at this point that any one of them would step forward to give him an assist, and with the prospect of being paraded out for a lengthy and humiliating trial...it makes sense. Aaron Hernandez had just been acquitted of a double homicide and was iirc in the process of working towards an appeal of his first homicide conviction, and he killed himself. OJ was *perhaps* on the cusp of killing himself when he thought it was curtains for him, didn't follow through, and wound up getting away with it and seems to have not really had other suicidal inclinations since then. i don't know, very different examples i guess. but similar in some ways. A lifetime spent in prison or just the probability of it, let alone one's reputation being permanently destroyed, or simply losing everything, all of that does things to people. i also imagine he had been living a psychologically fraught existence ever since he began to realize he might wind up actually paying for it after getting away with it for so long.
― omar little, Monday, 12 August 2019 00:26 (four years ago) link
Feel like that c.v. could make for a good erroll morris movie
Mr. Death II: This Time It's Impersonal
― Simon H., Monday, 12 August 2019 00:37 (four years ago) link
on one hand, epstein could have been a high value person to prosecute
gross, dude
― phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Monday, 12 August 2019 00:39 (four years ago) link
he wasn't in an inpatient facility, he was in jail
― gbx, Monday, 12 August 2019 00:51 (four years ago) link
Well.
https://nypost.com/2019/08/11/theres-no-video-of-jeffrey-epsteins-apparent-suicide-sources/
― ... (Eazy), Monday, 12 August 2019 01:08 (four years ago) link
“Something doesn’t smell right – and it’s not his dead body,” Brooklyn Borough President Eric Adams said.
interesting moment to try out yr tight five
― Simon H., Monday, 12 August 2019 01:10 (four years ago) link
corpsed
― phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Monday, 12 August 2019 01:12 (four years ago) link
u guys sure know how to spend a Sunday
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 12 August 2019 01:15 (four years ago) link
beats church.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 12 August 2019 01:38 (four years ago) link
when u point a finger at the guys in a thraed, four fingers are pointing back at u
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Monday, 12 August 2019 01:46 (four years ago) link
applies only to Hound Dog Taylor iirc
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Monday, 12 August 2019 02:03 (four years ago) link
again, are there normally cameras in the cells? doesn't sound like it. surprise, jails are all fucked up
― akm, Monday, 12 August 2019 02:27 (four years ago) link
I'm willing to give Epstein enough of a superiority complex that when he saw no logical way out, especially after Friday's document dump of names, he exercised the "they'll never take me alive" option. I'm also willing to give the guards/BOP enough built-up disdain for this worthless piece of shit that the faster he's out of the system the better.
Admittedly this is a variation of my JFK assassination theory where Lee Harvey Oswald does in fact go to Mexico City, tells everyone there that he's going to kill the president, only to be met with shrugs from the station chiefs ("angry dude outside says he's going to kill the president - do you care? hell, no. i don't care. my job will be better without him anyway")
― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 12 August 2019 03:43 (four years ago) link
Cosigning the above.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 12 August 2019 03:44 (four years ago) link
let it be noted the system is gross, to me all criminals prosecuted by the rules
― untuned mass damper (mh), Monday, 12 August 2019 04:09 (four years ago) link
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), 12. august 2019 01:16 (twelve hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), 12. august 2019 01:22 (twelve hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
The twitter account isn't even verified, you honestly don't know at all who made it. I also assume it's all legit, but none of us knows. That's what I'm saying wrt literacy. Defeating conspiracies means finding information from trust-worthy sources (and making notice when sources turn out to be not trustworthy at all) not looking at a twitter thread that seems to know what it says, and then being mad at other people.
― Frederik B, Monday, 12 August 2019 11:39 (four years ago) link
Lol yes it’s true, she is not even verified, thx for the media literacy lesson
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Monday, 12 August 2019 12:13 (four years ago) link
where's Verrit when you need them?
― Screamin' Jay Gould (The Yellow Kid), Monday, 12 August 2019 15:55 (four years ago) link
Attorney General Bill Barr on the suicide of accused sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein: "Let me assure you that this case will continue on against anyone who was complicit with Epstein. Any co-conspirators should not rest easy" https://t.co/O0OFAg3xyj pic.twitter.com/nZLWpjMhGF— ABC News Politics (@ABCPolitics) August 12, 2019
― Simon H., Monday, 12 August 2019 17:20 (four years ago) link
the old standard or the 2019 standard
― The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 12 August 2019 17:23 (four years ago) link
sad lol
― Simon H., Monday, 12 August 2019 17:31 (four years ago) link
One more wrinkle that I don't recall seeing before
In addition, because Mr. Epstein may have tried to commit suicide three weeks earlier, he was supposed to have had another inmate in his cell, three officials said. But the jail had recently transferred his cellmate and allowed Mr. Epstein to be housed alone, a decision that also violated the jail’s procedures, the two officials said.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/11/nyregion/epstein-death-manhattan-correctional-center.html
― Simon H., Monday, 12 August 2019 18:10 (four years ago) link
yeah I’d heard that - wouldn’t be the first time jail employees didn’t follow procedure, esp for a high profile prisoner
― Vape Store (crüt), Monday, 12 August 2019 18:37 (four years ago) link
But Mr. Young said he was certain that Mr. Epstein was in the cell alone — and nearly certain Mr. Epstein had a cellmate after he was removed from suicide watch.“I can tell you it is unequivocal that he was in a cell by himself,” Mr. Young said. “I can tell you Epstein didn’t have anyone in the room with him when he committed suicide.”
“I can tell you it is unequivocal that he was in a cell by himself,” Mr. Young said. “I can tell you Epstein didn’t have anyone in the room with him when he committed suicide.”
guys, do we have a missing cellmate?
― untuned mass damper (mh), Monday, 12 August 2019 19:29 (four years ago) link
where is that italian quadruple murder ex-cop guy
― Simon H., Monday, 12 August 2019 20:03 (four years ago) link
shocking news
Justice officials have now uncovered broader problems at the MCC. It’s not clear what else has been found but, it goes beyond the 24 hours before Epstein’s death. Justice officials say the MCC has suffered a breakdown in protocols for a period that goes back years. @evanperez— Shimon Prokupecz (@ShimonPro) August 12, 2019
― mookieproof, Monday, 12 August 2019 20:23 (four years ago) link
Sorry, USA, but the MCC can only mean one thing, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marylebone_Cricket_Club
― Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Monday, 12 August 2019 21:37 (four years ago) link
They're not wrong though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jT4qObpOzeI
― crumhorn invasion (Matt #2), Monday, 12 August 2019 22:00 (four years ago) link
this new NY Times piece links him to Elon Musk and Tesla, because why fucking not
https://archive.is/qLDp2
― Simon H., Monday, 12 August 2019 22:48 (four years ago) link
The desperate pleas of a narcissist being left out to dry
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/12/business/jeffrey-epstein-interview.html
― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Monday, 12 August 2019 22:48 (four years ago) link
lmao, xpost there
― Simon H., Monday, 12 August 2019 22:49 (four years ago) link
“I kept trying to steer the conversation back to Tesla, but Mr. Epstein remained evasive. He said he’d spoken to the Saudis about possibly investing in Tesla, but he wouldn’t provide any specifics or names. When I pressed him on the purported email from Mr. Musk, he said the email wasn’t from Mr. Musk himself, but from someone very close to him. He wouldn’t say who that person was. I asked him if that person would talk to me, and he said he’d ask. He later said the person declined; I doubt he asked.”
GRIMES WHAT DO YOU KNOW
― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Monday, 12 August 2019 23:00 (four years ago) link
jeffrey 'actually it's ephebophilia' epstein didn't live long enough to become the libertarian party candidate in 2020 pic.twitter.com/KBMbu6F8FX— ☭🕷️🐬The Antifada🐬🕷️☭ (@the_antifada) August 12, 2019
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, 12 August 2019 23:36 (four years ago) link
even milquetoast centrists are getting radicalized
I don’t even have a theory to fill out a conspiracy theory with, but it’s wild that Bill Barr’s dad hired young college dropout Jeffrey Epstein to be a high school calculus teacher.— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) August 12, 2019
― Simon H., Tuesday, 13 August 2019 01:09 (four years ago) link
can someone decode this for me
NEW YORK (AP) — AP source: One of Jeffrey Epstein's guards the night he hanged himself wasn't a correctional officer.— Jonathan Lemire (@JonLemire) August 13, 2019
― Simon H., Tuesday, 13 August 2019 01:59 (four years ago) link
They didn't want to pay a real CO so some lower ranking person who does the same job but is paid less was doing it.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 02:29 (four years ago) link
Ahh, gotcha. Conspiracy brain wants to know if that's a common practice in federal lockup but I assume that'll get discussed at some point
― Simon H., Tuesday, 13 August 2019 02:34 (four years ago) link
Lower risk inmates do rounds/watch camera feeds.
― hedonic treadmill class action (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 03:09 (four years ago) link
Tbc I needed it decoded because that sentence was also the entire content of the AP story!
― Simon H., Tuesday, 13 August 2019 03:10 (four years ago) link
^ At least on the night shift.
― hedonic treadmill class action (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 03:10 (four years ago) link
lol I just noticed the end date on this poll is 9/11
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 05:07 (four years ago) link
I assumed that was intentional. But haven't set up a poll so don't know how the date's set.
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 08:40 (four years ago) link
Yglesias hasn't been milquetoast for years, though.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 10:48 (four years ago) link
wow, huge if true
Okay, so this seems like the first lead in this Epstein suicide story pic.twitter.com/RORJ3k0nGh— Justin Halpern (@justin_halpern) August 13, 2019
― (Appears only as a corpse) (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 12:13 (four years ago) link
The greatest trick Steve Jail ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist.— A Choral Hexed Eleventh (@AHEveleth) August 13, 2019
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 12:18 (four years ago) link
When I saw that my first thought was that it had to be a parody account. It's so far out.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 12:21 (four years ago) link
What was your next thought
― YouGov to see it (wins), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 12:26 (four years ago) link
'More coffee'
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 12:36 (four years ago) link
CBS News has learned that the morning of Jeffrey Epstein's death there was shouting and shrieking from his jail cell. Guards attempted to revive him while saying "breathe, Epstein, breathe."Congress is the latest to start investigating Epstein's apparent suicide over the weekend, with new reports raising questions about the federal jail where he was being held. One of Epstein's guards at the Metropolitan Correctional Center on the night he died was reportedly not a regular corrections officer.(...)With Epstein gone, potential co-conspirators involved in his alleged sex-trafficking network are shifting into focus. British socialite Ghislaine Maxwell is one of four women accused of recruiting underage girls for sex. She's denied those claims in the past and has not been charged with a crime. Maxwell is said to be Epstein's ex-girlfriend turned business associate. Her current location is unknown.
Congress is the latest to start investigating Epstein's apparent suicide over the weekend, with new reports raising questions about the federal jail where he was being held. One of Epstein's guards at the Metropolitan Correctional Center on the night he died was reportedly not a regular corrections officer.
(...)
With Epstein gone, potential co-conspirators involved in his alleged sex-trafficking network are shifting into focus. British socialite Ghislaine Maxwell is one of four women accused of recruiting underage girls for sex. She's denied those claims in the past and has not been charged with a crime. Maxwell is said to be Epstein's ex-girlfriend turned business associate. Her current location is unknown.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeffrey-epstein-death-shrieking-heard-jail-cell-morning-he-died-metropolitan-correctional-center/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=71953138
― Simon H., Tuesday, 13 August 2019 13:09 (four years ago) link
Nothing to see here...
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 13:17 (four years ago) link
the morning of Jeffrey Epstein's death there was shouting and shrieking from his jail cell. Guards attempted to revive him while saying "breathe, Epstein, breathe."
real "im not gonnela lose another one, goddammit!" air off this
― phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 13:57 (four years ago) link
gonna
lmao @ "steve jail"
― marcos, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 14:08 (four years ago) link
"bonesaw...is my _middle_ name"
― Hunt3r, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 14:20 (four years ago) link
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ab/cf/d6/abcfd6bec911cac4817bc831218c6cef.png
― I don't get wet because I am tall and thin and I am afraid of people (Eliza D.), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 14:32 (four years ago) link
Breathe for me Jeffrey!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Urp-KGo6jw0
― confusementalism (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 15:00 (four years ago) link
― phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Tuesday, August 13, 2019 1:57 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
https://youtu.be/Nh-QOzHmr5s
― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 15:11 (four years ago) link
lol that is the exact thing I was thinking of
― I don't get wet because I am tall and thin and I am afraid of people (Eliza D.), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 15:25 (four years ago) link
Apparently some chud broke the story early on 4chan
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/janelytvynenko/fdny-investigating-jeffrey-epstein-4chan-post
― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 16:39 (four years ago) link
That frog don’t hunt
― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 16:52 (four years ago) link
Something good:
FBI agents swarm Jeffrey Epstein's private Caribbean island
― hedonic treadmill class action (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 18:24 (four years ago) link
only 13 short years since the fbi opened an investigation into epstein, great work lads
― (Appears only as a corpse) (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 18:28 (four years ago) link
did they pull up after the document shredding team had left?
― untuned mass damper (mh), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 18:29 (four years ago) link
Time otm
How did a high-profile, high-risk prisoner have access to items he could use to hang himself? What procedures were and weren’t followed? These questions must be answered. If Barr cares about DOJ’s reputation, he should step aside and let career people conduct and oversee the investigation. If he does this, and if the investigation is exhaustive with results promptly made public, it would be a step in the long process of restoring faith in our justice system. All of us — especially Epstein’s victims, who have already been subjected to unthinkable trauma — are entitled to no less.
https://time.com/5650974/william-barr-jeffrey-epstein/
― Simon H., Wednesday, 14 August 2019 02:26 (four years ago) link
Some clarifications in here
The prison staff guarding Jeffrey Epstein's unit fell asleep on the job, failed to check on Mr. Epstein for approximately three hours, and then falsified records to cover it up, according to government officials. Our story: https://t.co/asBZpIKVrm @ktbenner @WRashbaum @cegoldbaum— Danielle Ivory (@danielle_ivory) August 14, 2019
― Simon H., Wednesday, 14 August 2019 04:46 (four years ago) link
lmao
Prince Andrew announced his retirement today from public life after a long period of severe personal stress. In a statement, his Royal Highness added he is ‘following advice’ from his doctor.There was no comment from #buckinghampalace @BBCScotlandNews BBC-NEWS pic.twitter.com/gtxurRvPQb— Brain Taylor (@BrainTaylorBBC) August 13, 2019
― Simon H., Wednesday, 14 August 2019 16:10 (four years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBsly6jWkAEFvV-.jpg
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 16:12 (four years ago) link
Poor guards if they fell asleep on the job but didn't actually get paid off.
― ... (Eazy), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 16:12 (four years ago) link
The DM has a 2012 pic that allegedly shows the inside of Jeffrey Epstein's NYC mansion. He had a painting on the wall "which appeared to be Bill Clinton wearing a blue dress & red heels... The blue dress seemed to be a pointed reference to Clinton's former intern Monica Lewinsky" pic.twitter.com/VyAnk3Bnfn— John Doe (@JohnDoe78359022) August 14, 2019
― bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 19:57 (four years ago) link
I think we just cracked this one wide open
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 20:05 (four years ago) link
i’ll be in my bunkhttp://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Xy8YQU8Yk28/UUJDTjSmFoI/AAAAAAAAA8o/VNyYJPnGhsg/s1600/Parsing+Bill.jpg
― (Appears only as a corpse) (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 20:07 (four years ago) link
i have a lot of questions...
― Yerac, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 20:14 (four years ago) link
And blue dresses were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 20:32 (four years ago) link
Is it ok if that painting makes me feel... funny?
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 20:45 (four years ago) link
I'm neither your therapist nor your confidant, so I have no answer
― untuned mass damper (mh), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 20:55 (four years ago) link
This interview with Epstein"s bodyguard is uhhttp://nymag.com/intelligencer/amp/2019/08/jeffrey-epsteins-bodyguard-igor-zinoviev-on-his-old-boss.html
― Simon H., Wednesday, 14 August 2019 23:31 (four years ago) link
It’s not the teenage girls. I never see the teenage girls. I tell you I never see teenage girls.
Plenty of times when I work for him I never see anything unproper or teenage girls around him.
That’s what I say.
Tell your mama, tell your paI'm gonna ship you back to Arkansas
that's what I say
― The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 23:37 (four years ago) link
yeesh
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 23:41 (four years ago) link
the part at the end where he just completely clams up and starts warning the reporter to stay out of it re: corrupt cops, that's strong vodka
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 23:42 (four years ago) link
In Russia Balkan teens traffic you
― bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 15 August 2019 00:31 (four years ago) link
I really wish fewer celebrity sex criminals were Jewish. It’s depressing.
― president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Thursday, 15 August 2019 00:34 (four years ago) link
No way that's Gap.
― ... (Eazy), Thursday, 15 August 2019 00:56 (four years ago) link
https://t.co/LqAyFBS51C
― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Thursday, 15 August 2019 03:54 (four years ago) link
Hmmmm
― Simon H., Thursday, 15 August 2019 03:56 (four years ago) link
holy shit
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 15 August 2019 05:28 (four years ago) link
so epstein’s body was claimed by an “unnamed assosciate” but his brother who was an artist who somehow “semi-retired” at 39 offered to pay his bail even though the government said he had no living immediate family. also he owns the apt building where many of his associates lived pic.twitter.com/ZVhaoxiPhG— Nick Usen (@nickusen) August 15, 2019
― Simon H., Thursday, 15 August 2019 05:29 (four years ago) link
https://www.thedailybeast.com/mark-epstein-the-man-who-could-inherit-jeffrey-epsteins-millions
The only connection Mark seems to have is his brother, and his businesses seem to be downplayed as unsuccessful?
Wonder if he tried to walk away from his brother after the shit hit the fan a decade ago
― untuned mass damper (mh), Thursday, 15 August 2019 13:47 (four years ago) link
Maxwell was reading a book called “The Book of Honor: The Secret Lives and Deaths of CIA Operatives” and seemed resigned to having her picture snapped, the source said.
https://nypost.com/2019/08/15/jeffrey-epsteins-gal-pal-ghislaine-maxwell-spotted-at-in-n-out-burger-in-first-photos-since-his-death/
― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Thursday, 15 August 2019 20:51 (four years ago) link
https://youtu.be/A0pjo3s3P5U
― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Thursday, 15 August 2019 20:55 (four years ago) link
Borgerson has flatly denied any romance with Maxwell.“I am not dating Ghislaine, I’m home alone with my cat,” he told The Post.
“I am not dating Ghislaine, I’m home alone with my cat,” he told The Post.
same
― untuned mass damper (mh), Thursday, 15 August 2019 20:57 (four years ago) link
how completely normal is it that no one has seen this woman in public and officials were claiming her location was unknown, only for her to be sitting in front of an in-and-out burger reading *that*
this entire epstein saga is being written by a thomas pynchon with a head injury or something
― untuned mass damper (mh), Thursday, 15 August 2019 20:59 (four years ago) link
it’s definitely the perfect narrative for our post-subtlety times
― (Appears only as a corpse) (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 15 August 2019 21:00 (four years ago) link
Yep
― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Thursday, 15 August 2019 21:02 (four years ago) link
i don't understand why the broken neck bones are evidence of a conspiracy when those same bones are frequently broken in suicide-by-hanging, especially in men middle-aged and above?
― omar little, Thursday, 15 August 2019 21:03 (four years ago) link
people are trying hard to find evidence he didn't strangle himself
"frequently" seems to be 1 out of 4 or something like that, but in people who were restrained/choked by someone else the incidence rate is higher? it's grasping for straws, to be sure
― untuned mass damper (mh), Thursday, 15 August 2019 21:28 (four years ago) link
it was reported that in his previous "suicide attempt" he was found in his cell, passed out in the fetal position, with marks on his neck (he appeared in court shortly afterward with no marks on his neck)
― bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 15 August 2019 21:31 (four years ago) link
this entire epstein saga is being written by a thomas pynchon with a head injury or something― untuned mass damper (mh), Thursday, August 15, 2019 4:59 PM (twenty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
probably only a few days from photographs of Maxwell on John McAfee's fugitive schooner
― The Ravishing of ROFL Stein (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 15 August 2019 21:32 (four years ago) link
https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/jeffrey-epstein-hyoid-bone-broken-neck/
In the article Hyoid bone fracture caused by blunt neck trauma, multiple authors found that “Hyoid bone fracture is usually the result of direct trauma to the neck because of manual strangulation, hanging, blunt trauma or projectiles.”
They explained in the Journal of Acute Medicine: “However, fracture of the hyoid bone is rare because it is protected by the mandible. In fact, most hyoid bone injuries are caused by strangulation.”
― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Thursday, 15 August 2019 21:37 (four years ago) link
I found this one the other day (most news orgs seem to have found my first google result too, that Thai study of 20 cases)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/17720591/?i=2&from=/20973326/related
Suicidal hanging: fatalities in Istanbul retrospective analysis of 761 autopsy cases.Uzün I, et al. J Forensic Leg Med. 2007.Show full citationAbstract
We retrospectively analyzed the autopsy records of the Institute of Forensic Medicine during the five-year period between 1998 and 2002 to document the characteristics of fatalities resulting from hanging which is the commonest mode of suicide in Istanbul. Upon analysis of death scene investigation and autopsy reports together with the information gathered from the police, the cases of hanging fatalities of suicidal origin were selected. Seven hundred sixty one hanging cases of suicidal origin were detected and evaluated in terms of demographic features, the type of hanging material used for ligature, cause of death, internal findings in neck organs, other traumatic findings suggesting the use of another method for suicide, toxicological findings and microscopic findings in delayed death cases. In 364 of these cases suspension was complete and in 397 incomplete. Five hundred thirty seven of those (70.56%) were male and 224 (29.44%) were female. The preponderance of male cases in our autopsy population was also detected in suicidal hanging cases. There was no case aged lower 10 and the number of the cases in the age group of cases aged over 80 was the lowest (n=3, 0.4%). In 634 of cases, the place of hanging was the subject's own house, most victims selected rope (652 cases) for the ligature with the rest using sheet, belt, cable and necktie. There were traumatic findings showing attempts of suicide other than hanging in 24 cases (tentative marks in 22 cases and non-fatal burning in 2). In 23 of cases, there were bruises of different ages. In these cases females constituted the majority suggesting violence against women that is a social problem in various cultural subgroups of our country. This violence may have played a role in the decision of suicide. Superficial bruises were detected in 56 cases and were attributed to the trauma. Fractures in neck organs were detected in 446 of cases. In fracture-determined cases, fracture in hyoid bone was seen in 177, in thyroid cartilage in 163, in both hyoid and thyroid in 106. Vertebral fracture was detected in six cases and fractures both in hyoid, thyroid and vertebra was found in four cases. Hyperemic lines around the ligature were prominent in 620 of the cases and soft tissue ecchymoses in all cases. In 305 of the cases (40.07%) diagnosis was based only on the soft tissue hemorrhage.
― omar little, Thursday, 15 August 2019 21:42 (four years ago) link
the plot thickens
everybody stay calm but ghislaine maxwell is an anagram for an illegal sex whim— Andrea Long Chu (@theorygurl) August 15, 2019
― frogbs, Thursday, 15 August 2019 22:00 (four years ago) link
scully: Epstein died of strangulation by an unknown assailantmulder: *throws her a file* ever heard of the suicide alien— Wow, Bob Mackey! (@bobservo) August 15, 2019
― untuned mass damper (mh), Thursday, 15 August 2019 22:07 (four years ago) link
In one of the zillion Epstein threads on Twitter someone linked to this, which has an incredible anecdote about Ghislane Maxwell
https://observer.com/2002/11/vikram-chatwal-turban-cowboy/
I asked what his social life had been like recently, and he mentioned a dinner party at the Manhattan townhouse of Lady Ghislaine Maxwell, the daughter of the late British media baron Robert Maxwell. The guest of honor, said Mr. Chatwal, was Prince Andrew, who told a “quite humorous” joke involving Pepto-Bismol and his brother Prince Charles’ girlfriend, Camilla Parker Bowles. Then Ms. Maxwell told a story about how she flew a Blackhawk helicopter in Colombia and fired a rocket into a supposed terrorist camp.
“Ghislaine is just the most rocking babe I’ve ever met,” said Mr. Chatwal. “She blew up a tank . That is amazing . After that, my perception of her completely changed. I said, ‘You have to be the coolest person alive.'”
― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Thursday, 15 August 2019 22:17 (four years ago) link
https://www.forbes.com/sites/richardbehar/2019/08/15/jeffrey-epstein-spent-time-alone-with-young-female-prison-visitor/
― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Thursday, 15 August 2019 22:37 (four years ago) link
It’s understandable why Epstein would want to avoid his cell. Conditions inside MCC are legendarily bad—”miserable,” according to Patton—and Epstein had complained about rodents and bad food, according to multiple reports. At least the SHU meeting room would get him out of his cell. But the 1970s-era facility left a lot to be desired by both inmates and attorneys. Patton said the MCC isn’t as bad as more violent lockups, like Rikers Island. “But it’s one of the worst in different respects: Incredibly cramped—the only ‘outdoor’ recreation is on the rooftop under heavy fencing,” he said.
As for the SHU, where Epstein was kept, Patton said the conditions are even harsher. Inmates are housed in their cells 23 hours a day, and there’s only a tiny window letting in a sliver of natural light. “It’s a forbidding physical place to spend time. And it doesn’t certainly help in terms of mental health, or people improving their disposition, or getting them prepared to eventually reenter society and be more productive than when they went in,” he said.
Which is why any inmate would likely prefer to sit in a private room. Epstein, though, could afford to pay lawyers to sit there with him. As for the woman he saw sitting with Epstein, the attorney said, “I think she was there just to babysit him, and keep him out of his cell, and just keep him company for eight hours a day. Which is not supposed to be the way it works.”
― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Thursday, 15 August 2019 22:39 (four years ago) link
The hyoid bone is protected in the front and sides by the mandible and in the back by the spine. It is mobile. Less than 0.002% of fractures involve the hyoid. Only 31 cases of traumatic hyoid fracture other than strangulation have been documented. Jeffrey Epstein aint number 32.— Eugene Gu, MD (@eugenegu) August 15, 2019
The hyoid bone is protected in the front and sides by the mandible and in the back by the spine. It is mobile. Less than 0.002% of fractures involve the hyoid. Only 31 cases of traumatic hyoid fracture other than strangulation have been documented. Jeffrey Epstein aint number 32.
― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Thursday, 15 August 2019 23:53 (four years ago) link
can we stop quoting viral twitter junkie/abuser eugene gu, though. dude has no credibility
― untuned mass damper (mh), Thursday, 15 August 2019 23:57 (four years ago) link
I had no idea who he was
― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Friday, 16 August 2019 02:01 (four years ago) link
yeah, sorry for phrasing it like that. dude sucks!
back on track: that vikram chatwal story mentions he had a “G” tattooed on his arm for Gisele Bunchen, which seems creepy and weird. but, from a new GM story:
She went by “G” rather than her distinctive first name, neighbors said, had a vizsla dog and took walks to the waterfront, but kept largely to herself.
hmmm!
― untuned mass damper (mh), Friday, 16 August 2019 02:07 (four years ago) link
Best part of that profile is this bit:
Puff Daddy arrived, dressed as a king with a crown and a long, flowing red robe. “He’s a real cool, down-to-earth guy,” said the rapper of Mr. Chatwal.
― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Friday, 16 August 2019 02:20 (four years ago) link
Oh wait I misread that as Chatwal talking about Puff Daddy lol. Still, interesting glimpse of that world
― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Friday, 16 August 2019 02:21 (four years ago) link
The guest of honor, said Mr. Chatwal, was Prince Andrew, who told a “quite humorous” joke involving Pepto-Bismol and his brother Prince Charles’ girlfriend, Camilla Parker Bowles.
I’m quite sure the punchline here is Irritable Bowles Syndrome.
― ... (Eazy), Friday, 16 August 2019 02:37 (four years ago) link
Lol it probably was
― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Friday, 16 August 2019 02:50 (four years ago) link
― lag∞n, Friday, 16 August 2019 03:43 (four years ago) link
He wants to be reincarnated as a jumbo pack of nappies this time
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Friday, 16 August 2019 09:10 (four years ago) link
https://nypost.com/2019/08/15/american-flags-lowered-to-half-staff-on-jeffrey-epsteins-private-islands/
― untuned mass damper (mh), Friday, 16 August 2019 14:09 (four years ago) link
Boat captain Kelly Quinn, owner of Salty Dog Day Sails, was cruising past Little St. James, just off the southeast coast of St. Thomas in the US Virgin Islands, when she captured photos and videos of the lowering.“It was a real moment out there and it just felt so heavy,” Quinn told NBC News. “I didn’t feel there was a realness of the end of Jeffrey Epstein until I saw that. That was a lot more literal.”Though it wasn’t clear who lowered the two flags on each end of the 70-acre property, Quinn said she believes it was one of Epstein’s employees.“They’re doing this as a remembrance, but the irony is he’ll only be remembered for the deviance,” Quinn said of the convicted pedophile and accused child sex trafficker.
― THE FUCKING EMPIRE OF SOUR CREAM (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 16 August 2019 14:12 (four years ago) link
lol @ this boat tour person being a recurring character
― Vape Store (crüt), Friday, 16 August 2019 14:19 (four years ago) link
pedobear flag also at half mast
― Bnad, Friday, 16 August 2019 14:21 (four years ago) link
bill clinton at half mast
― THE FUCKING EMPIRE OF SOUR CREAM (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 16 August 2019 14:24 (four years ago) link
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/8f16cd8e-99a6-40ad-9087-349aeff2f74a/scale-to-width-down/800
"At first we didn't think much of the flag at half staff. By that point we had all grown accustomed to flags being lowered. Being ... draped. Over coffins, over bodies. We barely noticed the flag, but it was not long before we noticed the sharks. Oh, we saw them, alright. Circling the island, around and around. You could see their fins pokin' up over the surf, and you knew they were searchin', with those cold, black eyes. They were attracted, you see, to the blood. The scent of it. They went 'round and 'round, waitin' for the ... wait, did you say Quint or Quinn? Quinn? Oh, my bad."
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 16 August 2019 14:29 (four years ago) link
Goddam it. Stepped on my own dumb joke. https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/8f16cd8e-99a6-40ad-9087-349aeff2f74a/scale-to-width-down/800
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 16 August 2019 14:30 (four years ago) link
from Counterpunch:
Subsequent reporting of the case will overlook decades of the elite-driven state craft that elevated corrupt and ruthless entities like Epstein and Trump, both ring-kissing acolytes in their youth of influential mob fixer/politcal power broker Roy Cohn – himself a serial sexual predator who similarly caught the fancy of fellow deviants Joe McCarthy and J. Edgar Hoover. Follow the money trail from Tel Aviv and you’ll discover an ancestral link between the corpse of Epstein and his ghostly godfathers waiting with his rewards in hell.
https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/08/16/la-danse-mossad-robert-maxwell-and-jeffrey-epstein
― sleeve, Friday, 16 August 2019 20:30 (four years ago) link
It’s all really just organized crime innit
― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Friday, 16 August 2019 20:56 (four years ago) link
Epstein’s covert activities have undiminished real world consequences for anyone on Israel’s international radar, especially those challenging the status quo policies in place that prioritize “The Jewish State’s” political and financial objectives over actual justice and global stability.
mm...hmm
― omar little, Friday, 16 August 2019 21:00 (four years ago) link
damn I missed that, sorry. I was interested in the history aspect
― sleeve, Friday, 16 August 2019 21:05 (four years ago) link
now I feel stupid for posting that but I did not know abt the Cohn connection
― sleeve, Friday, 16 August 2019 21:08 (four years ago) link
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/06/donald-trump-roy-cohn-relationship/amp
― maura, Friday, 16 August 2019 21:28 (four years ago) link
love too kneel with force pic.twitter.com/VG8l2Y1GFS— TrueAnon Pod (@TrueAnonPod) August 16, 2019
― lag∞n, Friday, 16 August 2019 23:15 (four years ago) link
Reverse crunches are important core work.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Saturday, 17 August 2019 00:43 (four years ago) link
whats the melting point of hyoid
― phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Saturday, 17 August 2019 01:56 (four years ago) link
I’d have simply leaned forward firmly, not done a faux hanging
― untuned mass damper (mh), Saturday, 17 August 2019 04:25 (four years ago) link
We need some diagrams, mock up photos of the cell,some arrows etc.
― bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 17 August 2019 04:39 (four years ago) link
I keep thinking that. I've seen pics of similar units specifically designed to prevent this sort of thing
― Simon H., Saturday, 17 August 2019 04:48 (four years ago) link
absolute units
― THE FUCKING EMPIRE OF SOUR CREAM (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 17 August 2019 05:44 (four years ago) link
― Vape Store (crüt), Saturday, 17 August 2019 07:51 (four years ago) link
Screaming is often heard from the cells of those leaning forward forcibly.
― hedonic treadmill class action (Sanpaku), Saturday, 17 August 2019 16:44 (four years ago) link
I'm paywalled but there's a new NYT story "recounting Epstein's final days"
― Simon H., Saturday, 17 August 2019 16:47 (four years ago) link
https://www.newyorker.com/culture/annals-of-appearances/the-gall-of-ghislaine-maxwell
― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Saturday, 17 August 2019 18:15 (four years ago) link
Before her was a burger, perhaps served “animal style,” which, in In-N-Out parlance, means topped with all the fixings
― Οὖτις, Saturday, 17 August 2019 18:22 (four years ago) link
The anonymous photographer told the Post that Maxwell was reading “The Book of Honor: The Secret Lives and Deaths of C.I.A. Operatives,” which, if true, seemed to suggest her awareness of people’s fascination, and also their conspiracy-theory-mongering. There appeared to be, in other words, a distinct possibility that Maxwell was fucking with us. An ultra-wealthy cohort had allegedly committed a series of heinous crimes, in plain sight, with a kind of entitled shrug, and a general sense that they were above the rules of society and would never be caught. In Maxwell’s impenitent gaze, we could see the broader audacity of the Epstein affair.
― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Saturday, 17 August 2019 18:25 (four years ago) link
How is this woman not either in jail or in hiding overseas?
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 17 August 2019 18:31 (four years ago) link
also she's at the in-n-out by universal studios so make another layer
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 17 August 2019 18:43 (four years ago) link
I find the anecdote about her blowing up the tank very distressing
― the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Saturday, 17 August 2019 21:22 (four years ago) link
If you're not aware of it already his father had quite some life (and death) story.
― Boulez, vous couchez avec moi? (Tom D.), Saturday, 17 August 2019 21:32 (four years ago) link
... her father
https://twitter.com/christapeterso/status/1164268214798340096?s=21
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 20:51 (four years ago) link
deleted
― maura, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 20:52 (four years ago) link
Deleted my tweet about this sounding like Steven Pinker bc a journalist that as far as I can tell seems plausibly positioned to know says it’s not. But if it is still a Harvard professor.... ugh pic.twitter.com/nOyOnpCjDv— 🍒 13 Leading Scholars 🍒 (@christapeterso) August 21, 2019
― Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 21:00 (four years ago) link
We haven't even covered the fact that the Ghislaine In-n-Out photo appears to have been a fake
― Simon H., Thursday, 22 August 2019 04:02 (four years ago) link
I have found him, the dumbest journalisthttp://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/08/jeffrey-epsteins-bodyguard-igor-zinoviev-on-his-old-boss.html
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 22 August 2019 04:12 (four years ago) link
― Simon H., Thursday, August 22, 2019 4:02 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
https://www.thedailybeast.com/photo-of-jeffrey-epstein-pal-ghislaine-maxwell-at-in-n-out-burger-was-staged-paper-claims
Definitely weird. Her lawyer apparently took the picture and shopped in a few details to make it look like she was there at a certain time. I guess she's trying to stay ahead of everybody by obfuscating and muddying the waters about her whereabouts.
― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Thursday, 22 August 2019 05:38 (four years ago) link
bottom of the Gulf of Mexico maybe
― untuned mass damper (mh), Thursday, 22 August 2019 05:39 (four years ago) link
We found Jeffrey Epstein's Spotify account, where his tastes ranged from Louis C.K. to songs like 'Before You Accuse Me' and 'Hot for Teacher.' https://t.co/PyV3RPq5KV— Business Insider (@businessinsider) August 22, 2019
― Simon H., Thursday, 22 August 2019 16:07 (four years ago) link
...the banality of evil
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 22 August 2019 16:44 (four years ago) link
huh who would have thought that the extremely dude heavy techno intelligentsia was in cahoots with epstein toohttps://newrepublic.com/article/154826/jeffrey-epsteins-intellectual-enabler
― maura, Thursday, 22 August 2019 17:51 (four years ago) link
the mit media lab’s entanglements with him being revealed feels like the very tip of a gross iceberg
― maura, Friday, 23 August 2019 12:17 (four years ago) link
On that subject, a new interview w. a formerly close associate
https://www.motherjones.com/crime-justice/2019/08/jeffrey-epstein-my-very-very-sick-pal/
Pivar was also present for a number of Epstein’s science summits. Epstein himself was no scientist, said Pivar, the author of Lifecode: The Theory of Biological Self-Organization and an advocate of non-Darwinian models of evolution. (This was borne out in a recent New York Times story that described Epstein’s interest in cryonics and eugenics and his wish to “seed the human race with his DNA by impregnating women” at his New Mexico ranch.) Epstein was a dilettante, and easily distracted. But he pulled so many prominent thinkers into his social circle, using the promise of his money to create “some kind of a mini university of thought,” that in Pivar’s view he did “amazing, incredible, amazing, remarkable things for science.” There were lavish dinner parties with the likes of Steven Pinker and Stephen Jay Gould during which Epstein would ask provocatively elementary questions like “What is gravity?” If the conversation drifted beyond his interests, Epstein was known to interrupt, “What does that got to do with pussy?!”Pivar was close enough to Epstein that the financier put him “in charge of Ghislaine while she was profoundly depressed from the death of her father,” the media mogul Robert Maxwell. Despite their friendship, Pivar said, he was “insulated” from the lurid aspects of Epstein’s personal life. “I don’t know anything about that,” he said, “because I was never invited to the Isle of Babes,” Epstein’s private island in the Caribbean.In his telling, Pivar ended his friendship with Epstein after learning from Farmer of her sexual assault. Some evidence of the tension between Pivar and Epstein is lying in public view. In August 2007, Pivar sued a science blogger named P.Z. Myers and Seed Media Group, which hosted his blog, alleging defamation. Myers had lit into Pivar’s work, calling him “a classic crackpot.” In his complaint, Pivar made a point of mentioning by name two prominent members of SMG’s board: Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell. The lawsuit was later dropped.
Pivar was close enough to Epstein that the financier put him “in charge of Ghislaine while she was profoundly depressed from the death of her father,” the media mogul Robert Maxwell. Despite their friendship, Pivar said, he was “insulated” from the lurid aspects of Epstein’s personal life. “I don’t know anything about that,” he said, “because I was never invited to the Isle of Babes,” Epstein’s private island in the Caribbean.
In his telling, Pivar ended his friendship with Epstein after learning from Farmer of her sexual assault. Some evidence of the tension between Pivar and Epstein is lying in public view. In August 2007, Pivar sued a science blogger named P.Z. Myers and Seed Media Group, which hosted his blog, alleging defamation. Myers had lit into Pivar’s work, calling him “a classic crackpot.” In his complaint, Pivar made a point of mentioning by name two prominent members of SMG’s board: Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell. The lawsuit was later dropped.
― Simon H., Friday, 23 August 2019 16:56 (four years ago) link
this interview is *incredibly* gross and long so I'll wait for other people to pick out highlights. I did notice the Unabomber makes an appearance.
― Simon H., Friday, 23 August 2019 17:14 (four years ago) link
highlights couldn't capture its commodius vicus of recirculation, back to nymphomania or to the impossibility of describing gravity. relatedly, the book he sued p.z. myers for reviewing is about how all organisms are actually topological deformations of the same primordial toroid. a man with a circular mind. also lol:
I have to add another compliment for the book, though. In addition to the lovely artwork, it's an extremely high quality print; well bound, on heavy stock, and looking to last a thousand years. It seems no expense was spared getting it published, which is in contrast to the content, and is unusual for such flagrant crackpottery.
― difficult listening hour, Friday, 23 August 2019 17:45 (four years ago) link
Epstein was a dilettante, and easily distracted.
doctor, heal thyself
― untuned mass damper (mh), Friday, 23 August 2019 20:24 (four years ago) link
"jaron lanier and all that group, the greatest thinkers that they were"
― mark s, Friday, 23 August 2019 21:33 (four years ago) link
“some kind of a mini university of thought,”
― lag∞n, Friday, 23 August 2019 22:18 (four years ago) link
hoooo boy
Between those years, in 1999, Larry Celona rides with Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell and others on the Lolita Express from Teterboro, NJ to Palm Beach for a short weekend. They return with two extra women.Teterboro is now being reported as the hub of Epstein's sex traffic network. pic.twitter.com/6qenteH0pV— ᏔმƦ𝔢ჳ💤 (@mooncult) August 23, 2019
Fast-forward to 2019, Larry Celona is still working at the NY Post and still breaking exclusives:He was the first to report Epstein's first "suicide attempt"He was the first to report of Epstein's successful "suicide"He was the first to release photos of Epstein's dead body pic.twitter.com/GWEt7aqwV5— ᏔმƦ𝔢ჳ💤 (@mooncult) August 23, 2019
― Simon H., Saturday, 24 August 2019 02:01 (four years ago) link
never gonna stop, give it up, such a dirty mind i always get it up, for the touch of the younger kind my, my, my, aye-aye, whoa! m-m-m-my celona
― lowkey goatsed on the styx (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 24 August 2019 03:09 (four years ago) link
srsly tho that’s extremely fuckin weird , especially the eyes wide shut connection
― lowkey goatsed on the styx (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 24 August 2019 03:14 (four years ago) link
It's exactly the kind of thing that turns me into a gibbering mess when I think about this stuff too much tbh
― Simon H., Saturday, 24 August 2019 03:20 (four years ago) link
tfw u realise the elite pedo ring killed the man who faked the moon landings
― lowkey goatsed on the styx (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 24 August 2019 03:42 (four years ago) link
They also suggest a preference for hard-rock songs from the 1970s that emphasized male sexual conquest, as well as the odd song about sexual attraction between children and adults — Van Halen's "Hot for Teacher" and an Oscar Peterson performance of "My Heart Belongs to Daddy."
That Peterson/Gillespie version slaps tbh
― ... (Eazy), Saturday, 24 August 2019 03:49 (four years ago) link
Very good
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/23/prince-andrew-appalled-epstein-royal-wedding
― piscesx, Saturday, 24 August 2019 04:49 (four years ago) link
Further down the thread someone does point out that Celona on the jet is nearly certainly a false positive - Glen Dubin, listed on the same flights, has a daughter named Celina, and the rest of the line up is also family, their nanny, and his wife Eva, an ex of Epstein's.
― Andrew Farrell, Saturday, 24 August 2019 06:47 (four years ago) link
I don't normally like Marina Hyde but that one is great.
― Matt DC, Saturday, 24 August 2019 09:15 (four years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECvTbE4XkAAhqlq?format=jpg
lol quite apart from being bad content-wise idea this is so badly written -- these ppl's brains are just deliquescing like the "facts in the case of m.valdemar"
― mark s, Saturday, 24 August 2019 15:15 (four years ago) link
the superscript on the date ordinal alone merits the guillotine
― mark s, Saturday, 24 August 2019 15:16 (four years ago) link
"I can only reiterate my regret that I was mistaken to think that what I thought I knew of him was evidently not the real person"
what?
― jmm, Saturday, 24 August 2019 15:20 (four years ago) link
His Mother's English.
― Boulez, vous couchez avec moi? (Tom D.), Saturday, 24 August 2019 15:27 (four years ago) link
i mean since this is the conspiracy-mongering thread gotta wonder if/why his ma allowed him to slip this nonsense past the press-officer sub-editor flunkey
my theory: she's already concluded this particular failson is surplus to the firm's requirements (slow-burn revenge for it's a royal knockout)
― mark s, Saturday, 24 August 2019 15:46 (four years ago) link
I'm still trying to work out if that quote actually means the opposite of what he wants to say.
― jmm, Saturday, 24 August 2019 15:53 (four years ago) link
how i break it down (to some extent):
I can only reiterate = to be clear my regret that I was mistaken = i was wrong (sadly)to think (that what) I thought = to assume (that what) I knew of him was evidently not the real person = he wasn’t who i thought
to be clear, i was wrong (sadly) to assume he wasn’t who i thought = to be clear, i was right (sadly) to assume he was who i thought
so he means "i regret to inform you i knew all along" lol
― mark s, Saturday, 24 August 2019 16:13 (four years ago) link
at one level these horrible ppl beclowning themselves (cf also pivar above, and dersh) is hard not to laugh at, but on a deeper level it's just so awful -- because this is who has power: utter idiots able to behave in viciously ghastly ways :|
― mark s, Saturday, 24 August 2019 16:20 (four years ago) link
Implying: "I was mistaken to think that what I thought I knew of him was evidently not the real person"
Implying: "I thought that what I thought I knew of him was not the real person."
Which kind of sounds like: “I thought that he was a bad person.”
Putting it all back together: "I regret that I mistakenly thought that he was a bad person.”
― jmm, Saturday, 24 August 2019 16:26 (four years ago) link
that mother jones interview is unhinged.
― akm, Saturday, 24 August 2019 17:49 (four years ago) link
this is who has power: utter idiots able to behave in viciously ghastly ways :|
To coin a phrase, "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely". To which I would add, when the primary basis of that power is inheritance, you get a high percentage of corrupt idiots.
― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 24 August 2019 17:55 (four years ago) link
I'm more of a fan of the "power reveals character" school of thought.
― Simon H., Saturday, 24 August 2019 18:00 (four years ago) link
character is not immutable imo. add new elements to a person's condition and they often change in response. the 'reveals character' hypothesis requires that whatever appears to be new was already there, but hidden. because changes in behavior are clearly evident, but the hidden pre-existence of a newly apparent character trait was not evident, the simpler explanation (they just changed) seems to me closer to the truth.
― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 24 August 2019 18:23 (four years ago) link
power changes people
― flappy bird, Saturday, 24 August 2019 22:16 (four years ago) link
but to Simon's point, who seeks power?
people don't change, power reveals
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 24 August 2019 22:31 (four years ago) link
new poll
Uhhhhhhhh....
Jeffrey Epstein transferred more than $577 million in assets to his brother two days before his suicide. Lisa Bloom, the lawyer representing several of his alleged victims in a civil suit, describes what that means for the case.https://t.co/iIpAKNCAOA— MSNBC (@MSNBC) August 24, 2019
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 24 August 2019 22:41 (four years ago) link
A huge donation to a reporter's favored nonprofit. A bullet with a message. A cat's severed head in the front yard of an editor-in-chief.Those were some of the tools Jeffrey Epstein is said to have used to try to soften news coverage: https://t.co/tF87ZzfQbH— NPR (@NPR) August 23, 2019
― ... (Eazy), Saturday, 24 August 2019 23:24 (four years ago) link
(slow-burn revenge for it's a royal knockout)
tbf to the appalling Andrew, that was entirely Edward's doing, he's barely been seen in public since and it was over 30 years ago!
― Boulez, vous couchez avec moi? (Tom D.), Sunday, 25 August 2019 01:31 (four years ago) link
― Simon H., Saturday, August 24, 2019 2:00 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
― flappy bird, Saturday, August 24, 2019 6:16 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
both
― lag∞n, Sunday, 25 August 2019 17:25 (four years ago) link
Malova did not respond to an email. A former Miss Russia, she moved to the US and made it to the final of the 1998 Miss Universe beauty pageant, which was then owned by Donald Trump – another former friend of Epstein.In 2010 she was accused of forging a prescription for Vicodin from a stolen doctor’s pad. She was jailed in May 2011 after repeatedly arriving late for a court-mandated drug programme. i was reading about this epstein motherfucker today, god knows why, and these paragraphs really hit me
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 25 August 2019 17:27 (four years ago) link
which part of it?
― akm, Sunday, 25 August 2019 18:09 (four years ago) link
the word 'former' is making a ton of assumptions in that sentence
― the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Sunday, 25 August 2019 18:13 (four years ago) link
which part of it? the part where the young woman gets shuttled through various gates of privilege by incredibly powerful men and driven to a life of petty drugs fraud?
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 25 August 2019 19:29 (four years ago) link
More digging re Epstein's ties to scientists
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/peteraldhous/jeffrey-epstein-science-donations-apologies-statements
― Simon H., Tuesday, 27 August 2019 07:09 (four years ago) link
They say sunshine is the best disinfectant. But failing that, bushel baskets of cash do the job pretty well, too.
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 27 August 2019 17:05 (four years ago) link
FBI studies two broken cameras outside cell where Epstein died: source https://t.co/l9Zm9DIKVz pic.twitter.com/dlC9lwFpnp— Reuters Top News (@Reuters) August 29, 2019
oh hey another insultingly predictable development
― Simon H., Thursday, 29 August 2019 05:03 (four years ago) link
huhhttps://www.gettyimages.com/photos/ghislaine-maxwell?events=175309124&family=editorial&phrase=ghislaine%20maxwell&sort=best#license
― maura, Thursday, 29 August 2019 23:45 (four years ago) link
Selma Blair's time to shine in the eventual movie imho
― Simon H., Thursday, 29 August 2019 23:46 (four years ago) link
thanks to the tipster who sent these pix of Prince Andrew at an Eyes Wide Shut themed party pic.twitter.com/RSWZa6q1rp— Molly Lambert 🦔 (@mollylambert) August 29, 2019
― Simon H., Friday, 30 August 2019 00:03 (four years ago) link
Maxwell's probably been at some of the same social gatherings as Trump since her dad was alive, no?
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Friday, 30 August 2019 00:18 (four years ago) link
THIS IS IN GHISLAINE’S HOUSE pic.twitter.com/xEucMcTtqo— Molly Lambert 🦔 (@mollylambert) August 30, 2019
― ... (Eazy), Friday, 30 August 2019 01:32 (four years ago) link
Oh come on, now they're exaggerating - who doesn't have an innocent picture of a harem in their house?
https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/atmosphere-at-hamish-bowles-ghislaine-maxwell-and-lillian-news-photo/609446606
― StanM, Friday, 30 August 2019 08:04 (four years ago) link
the way eyes wide shut keeps popping up around this guy and the people connected to him is... intriguing
― lowkey goatsed on the styx (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 30 August 2019 08:34 (four years ago) link
Eh, this is taking a turn for the Pizzagate - could we stick with the sexual abuse and leave the art criticism?
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 30 August 2019 08:52 (four years ago) link
otfm
― Vape Store (crüt), Friday, 30 August 2019 13:43 (four years ago) link
I'm as appalled as everyone else that the jeffrey epstein memorial poll and conspiracy-mongering thread might have devolved into frivolous speculation but, wrt Epstein in particular, it seems pretty clear that his weird aesthetic choices reveal something about the kind of persona he wanted to project and the atmosphere he wanted to create for his co-conspirators and victims. Maxwell possibly less so.
― ShariVari, Friday, 30 August 2019 13:54 (four years ago) link
citation needed
― mark s, Friday, 30 August 2019 14:00 (four years ago) link
Even if they used "secret symbols" relating to pedophilia, it's not really all that interesting when you step back from it, because, uh, we already know that they were pedophiles. Like, that's the sinister part, not the use of symbols.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 30 August 2019 14:12 (four years ago) link
As an aside I just want to thank the dreamlords for not making that thing show up in my dreams last night after I made the mistake of looking closely at it right before bed.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 30 August 2019 14:13 (four years ago) link
I'm as appalled as everyone else that the jeffrey epstein memorial poll and conspiracy-mongering thread might have devolved into frivolous speculation
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 30 August 2019 15:44 (four years ago) link
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), 30. august 2019 16:12 (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
Yeah, but it is a bit scary that they seemed to have quite openly advertised that they were, at least, exploiting women. That mail John Brockman send to Evgeny Morozov (https://newrepublic.com/article/154826/jeffrey-epsteins-intellectual-enabler), there's just no doubt that he's trying to lure Morozov with the promise of sex with prostitutes / models. And that Epstein is a 'perv' seems to be a selling point. They wanted it to seem like they had a nefarious sex cult like on Eyes Wide Shut.
― Frederik B, Friday, 30 August 2019 18:52 (four years ago) link
Would the MIT Media Lab, TED Conferences, and Wired have the clout and the intellectual orientation that they have now without the extensive network cultivated by Brockman over decades? I, for one, very much doubt it.
the specific clout these things share is what makes them less-interesting entries in the scientific/intellectual space imo
― untuned mass damper (mh), Friday, 30 August 2019 19:23 (four years ago) link
And that Epstein is a 'perv' seems to be a selling point.
Well it's already out there that he was more or less pimping out girls to associates so yeah. I don't think that was necessarily the attraction for everyone who hung out with him--he was also just rich and connected, and someone could certainly wind up invited to his party either without knowing more about him or just looking the other way (especially an elite person used to traveling in circles where no one really gets in trouble for anything most of the time).
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 30 August 2019 19:37 (four years ago) link
What I'm getting at is, we know there was a pedophilia ring operating. That's bad enough. Focusing on all the "symbols" and stuff just give it this supernatural or horror movie element that (1) it really doesn't need and (2) kind of render the whole thing cartoonish and distract from the much more real and, in some senses, ordinary horror. Which I get, the guy had a fucking temple on his island, but still, unless you actually believe in Satan, it's almost beside the point.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 30 August 2019 19:39 (four years ago) link
Yeah, I agree, and the other thing is that this cartoonish evil might even be it's own sort of cover up, meant to get Epstein to look weird and kitchy, rather than an exploitive pedophile. But for me then that becomes it's own kind of horror, the forethought that goes into that kind of cover up. But that's not how it's reported.
― Frederik B, Friday, 30 August 2019 19:46 (four years ago) link
Honestly without the eccentricity the case would probably fall out of the discourse entirely so I say talk it up
― Simon H., Friday, 30 August 2019 19:48 (four years ago) link
i feel like the whole "this paedophile spent lots of time with some of america's most prominent men including half of the presidents of the last quarter century" is "interesting" enough on its own
― Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Friday, 30 August 2019 19:51 (four years ago) link
― Simon H., 30. august 2019 21:48 (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
Nah, it got back into the discourse through the work of Julie K Brown, and those articles didn't play up the eccentricity at all.
― Frederik B, Friday, 30 August 2019 19:53 (four years ago) link
Maybe, but shit like the temple, that MMA guy interview, and the Eyes Wide Shut connections are keeping it there.
― Simon H., Friday, 30 August 2019 19:57 (four years ago) link
is it insane that I don't care about any of this? Simon and Fred seem to care a lot which is a good indication I shouldn't care about this at all, but I'm not positive
― president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Friday, 30 August 2019 20:01 (four years ago) link
there's only a few hundred (or more) alleged victims and a few former and current heads of state involved so
― Simon H., Friday, 30 August 2019 20:04 (four years ago) link
*furiously tries to formulate take*
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 30 August 2019 20:05 (four years ago) link
― Simon H., 30. august 2019 21:57 (ten minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
I've literally only heard about Eyes Wide Shut, and that's because Eazy posted about it. It's not at all what I see people talking about. Unlesss MMA means something else than Mixed Martial Arts?
― Frederik B, Friday, 30 August 2019 20:09 (four years ago) link
― Simon H., Friday, August 30, 2019 1:04 PM (eleven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
I mean the actual crimes are obviously bad but what does it profit me to pay attention to it now instead of reading about it in a book in seven or ten years
― president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Friday, 30 August 2019 20:16 (four years ago) link
He fucked a bunch of kids and the guy who was secretary of Labor until last month gave him a sweetheart deal?
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 30 August 2019 20:18 (four years ago) link
what does it profit me to pay attention to it now instead of reading about it in a book in seven or ten years
idk what to tell you, seems like this would apply to....the vast majority of topics
― Simon H., Friday, 30 August 2019 20:19 (four years ago) link
including the trump presidency
― Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Friday, 30 August 2019 20:23 (four years ago) link
Yeah, is this like from the point of view of getting laid at parties, or..?
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 30 August 2019 20:25 (four years ago) link
I thought we already covered that topic.
(sorry)
― Simon H., Friday, 30 August 2019 20:26 (four years ago) link
― Simon H., Friday, August 30, 2019 1:19 PM (ten minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
― Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Friday, August 30, 2019 1:23 PM (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
this is how I treat the trump presidency fwiw
― president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Friday, 30 August 2019 20:29 (four years ago) link
I'm in no way the "ahem, you mean ephebophile guy" and think we should be considering any predation on youth equally repulsive but that is in no way the way any of these guys, or a large swath of society, has thought about the exploitation of girls and the larger idea that a lot of people still refuse to grasp is that the commodification of teen girls is inherently wrong
It's the same mindset that means there's no cognitive dissonance between the same people saying "oh, he always had girls around" or "Jeff would hook these guys up with girls" and immediately referring to the same exploited people as "young women" as soon as it's implied something wrong occurred
There's a lie that the perceived sexual attractiveness of these teen children, and the value placed on that attraction by lechs like Epstein, somehow means that they had some sort of power. And the language used around that attraction is always phrased as if the older, exploitative man has lesser agency. It's always "he couldn't help himself" or "I just *had* to grab her" or whatever other disgusting construction exists. And it goes hand-in-hand with language blaming victims, claims that a teen is able to "lead on" an adult or a claim that if they "didn't really want" to be exploited, they'd have gone to authorities, parents, etc. -- and we know how effective that is.
I think pinning the broader problem of the objectification and commodification of girls' sexuality on extremely exploitative and powerful people like Epstein and treating this case as extreme doesn't help. Yes, he was involved in and an enabler for some completely horrible things. At the same time, the surface level of what he was doing (surrounding himself with girls who may have seemed of consenting age, using access to an environment with lots of young women as a perk) sits right on the edge of what a large swath of culture has deemed if not acceptable, within the bounds of normal behavior.
We're to the point where society is getting much better at questioning the inherent power dynamics that can lead to exploitation when it comes to age, workplace reporting, student/instructor relationships, etc. but the exploitation of these things is still too-often shrugged off.
I think, to jim's point, it's "interesting" that he spent time with presidents, but at the same time, these are men who we know exploited their power to assault or coerce women in a completely open (or publicly revealed) way and while the public disapproves, many people are willing to shrug it off as a lesser sin. I don't think any information is going to put Bill Clinton in a room with a fifteen year old he knowingly exploited, but if Epstein's enabling means we end up seeing pictures of a woman he "thought was eighteen" sitting in his lap, I'm going to be disgusted and not at all surprised.
All of this depresses me, but I'm sadly past being shocked. Obviously all the leads stemming from the Epstein case should be run down and offenders should be prosecuted, but I'm worried that for too many people, the concentration is going to be on Epstein as a completely outlier sicko and the line of what's acceptable won't change for most.
― untuned mass damper (mh), Friday, 30 August 2019 20:30 (four years ago) link
idk I won't shit up your thread I'm just agog at all the pepesilvia.jpg that seems to be going on xps
― president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Friday, 30 August 2019 20:30 (four years ago) link
wow mh v otm and much smarter than I can be during business hours
― president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Friday, 30 August 2019 20:31 (four years ago) link
I think the only reason to make the pedophile/ephebophile distinction is in the application of societal change and not moral judgment, because both are fucked up but only one relies on the pervasive idea that there's some notion that for girls there is no real period of adolescence and that there's a near-overnight granting of adult social and sexual agency.
Our society has some very fucked up ideas about who is allowed to have an adolescence and how long that lasts!
― untuned mass damper (mh), Friday, 30 August 2019 20:38 (four years ago) link
thanks silby! I'm still in run-on repetitive sentence mode but I haven't had to expend too much brainpower on work this week and I've only just returned from vacation
― untuned mass damper (mh), Friday, 30 August 2019 20:39 (four years ago) link
the likelihood that he was very un-stealthily murdered in prison, about a year after the sitting president, to whom he was connected, burbled approvingly about a US journalist being sawed to death inside a consulate, bcz said journalist had embarrassed a despot, is a data point worth noting
if you are not waiting seven years to read about the president, shrug
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Saturday, 31 August 2019 00:59 (four years ago) link
I'm also a regular traveller on the "it's valuable to assess the power violations and motivating pathology between raping small children, trafficking teenagers, and assaulting adult women, as sometimes different" train, good post mh
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Saturday, 31 August 2019 01:04 (four years ago) link
I have no clue if that’s sarcastic
― untuned mass damper (mh), Saturday, 31 August 2019 01:16 (four years ago) link
sic I think mh’s point is that the sexual exploitation of postpubescent girls is basically acceptable in our culture, and that a fixation on the powerful men and the conspiracy involved isn’t actually reckoning with that
― president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Saturday, 31 August 2019 05:54 (four years ago) link
My point is that the news is basically a slot machine, suspending the customer in a state of modulated anxiety, dripping out slow poison at a steady clip with just enough exciting moments to keep you plugging in quarters, and I no longer care to engage.
― president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Saturday, 31 August 2019 05:57 (four years ago) link
The difference between this thread and threads debating theories about Lost is no teenagers were raped to bring you ABC’s Lost
― president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Saturday, 31 August 2019 05:58 (four years ago) link
No sarcasm at all! There are hundreds of horrible aspects about, around & connected to these issues & focusing especially on any one of them sadly lessens reckoning with many othersBut I don’t want to derail this thread by bringing more examples inu see
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Saturday, 31 August 2019 06:02 (four years ago) link
xxxpost
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Saturday, 31 August 2019 06:03 (four years ago) link
silby I get it, I stopped reading or listening to news media for about five years out of pure horrified despair during Howard’s second termturned out this didn’t actually stop the news from happening, unfortunately
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Saturday, 31 August 2019 07:33 (four years ago) link
Until yesterday I would have said the Epstein case might signal a broader rethinking of powerful men using their status to have sex with underage girls, but I just read the reviews for the new Polanski film, and that doesn't seem to be true.
― Frederik B, Saturday, 31 August 2019 08:20 (four years ago) link
I think it will have some ripple effects -- there will still be Polanskis and Epsteins in the world but maybe some of their borderline enablers will be less likely to just sit back and say "oh, there goes that guy doing his thing." Esp in combination with #metoo.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Saturday, 31 August 2019 13:49 (four years ago) link
great post mh.
― Yerac, Saturday, 31 August 2019 16:14 (four years ago) link
As for aesthetic crimes,
The entrance hall is decorated not with paintings but with row upon row of individually framed eyeballs; these, the owner tells people with relish, were imported from England, where they were made for injured soldiers.
― hedonic treadmill class action (Sanpaku), Sunday, 1 September 2019 16:21 (four years ago) link
^ austerity measures went further than I'd thought
― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 1 September 2019 16:28 (four years ago) link
Anyway, r we moving on from 'he killed himself' as a respectable take lol
― Aston "Family Court" Barrett (Bananaman Begins), Sunday, 1 September 2019 16:57 (four years ago) link
No. The will transferring the estate to his brother is 2 days before Epstein's death. The media Ghislane disclosures were a day or two before, too.
These could imply that Epstein was aware of plans afoot to off him, but they're also consistent with suicide, or my pet theory of assisted suicide.
― hedonic treadmill class action (Sanpaku), Sunday, 1 September 2019 17:30 (four years ago) link
I don't think it can be ruled out -- it's not like it would be odd for someone in his position, accused of his crimes, to want to kill himself rather than stand trial, it's just that there's also so much to suggest otherwise.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Sunday, 1 September 2019 22:09 (four years ago) link
this collection of scumbags my lord https://nypost.com/2019/09/02/jeffrey-epsteins-model-scouting-pal-has-disappeared-without-a-trace
― lag∞n, Monday, 2 September 2019 18:23 (four years ago) link
That can’t be a recent photo, unless all the blood sacrifices actually work.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, 2 September 2019 20:09 (four years ago) link
Anonymous fellow hires lawyers to write 7-page letter arguing Epstein-related materials that will cause reputational harm to “non-parties” ought to remain sealed forever. https://t.co/KbStu8B2d0— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) September 4, 2019
here we go again
― Simon H., Wednesday, 4 September 2019 13:52 (four years ago) link
Ghislaine Maxwell’s attorney alleges a still-sealed trove of documents could implicate “hundreds of other people” in the Jeffrey Epstein case. https://t.co/Xn4VEa20YS— Vicky Ward (@VickyPJWard) September 4, 2019
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 4 September 2019 15:17 (four years ago) link
Ronan Farrow just dropped a big bomb on Ito and the Media Lab
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/how-an-elite-university-research-center-concealed-its-relationship-with-jeffrey-epstein
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 7 September 2019 05:22 (four years ago) link
Ito resigning.
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 7 September 2019 18:57 (four years ago) link
great timing on that new Bill Gates doc.
― Simon H., Saturday, 7 September 2019 19:01 (four years ago) link
As with the Polanski and Weinstein cases I seem to meet a lot of people who are under the impression these men simply liked going to excessive, debauched parties, which (so people maintain) is what one does, and what one would do, if one was in showbiz and/or had a lot of money.
It's disturbing: these people can't seem to tell the difference between excess and abuse.
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Saturday, 7 September 2019 21:03 (four years ago) link
Plus, you don't have to go to an exclusive millionaire sex party to witness an example of someone who is having sex not because they want to but because they need money or are being controlled or intimidated. That could be the person who sits next to you at work. So really, the blindness to what this dude and his buddies actually were doing, the rhetoric of it was just wild times and high jinks, is weak and troubling imo.
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Saturday, 7 September 2019 21:11 (four years ago) link
reminder to self: don't invest with or take money from assholes— Joi Ito (@Joi) March 12, 2008
― Simon H., Sunday, 8 September 2019 01:31 (four years ago) link
whoops
― maura, Sunday, 8 September 2019 01:35 (four years ago) link
only 468 people are talking about this?
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Sunday, 8 September 2019 06:11 (four years ago) link
I told the @nytimes everything. So did whistleblowers I was in touch with inside @MIT and @Edge. They printed none of the most damning truths. @joi is on the board of the NYT. THANK GOD FOR @RonanFarrow https://t.co/MMFI9umhf2— Xeni Jardin (@xeni) September 7, 2019
― Simon H., Sunday, 8 September 2019 12:12 (four years ago) link
weird that the nyt would choose to prop up the ruling class, seems v out of character
― don’t bore us, get to the aeon of horus (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 8 September 2019 12:26 (four years ago) link
The MacArthur Foundation today accepted the resignation of Joi Ito as a member of our board and our affiliate @LeverforChange, effective immediately. We thank Ito for his service.— MacArthur Foundation (@macfound) September 7, 2019
― ... (Eazy), Sunday, 8 September 2019 18:08 (four years ago) link
not sure what xeni is saying there; that she had the info in ronan's profile? he doesn't quote her anywhere.
― akm, Sunday, 8 September 2019 18:25 (four years ago) link
That NYT didn't want to publish damning information on Ito, who coincidentally also sat on their board. I don't think she expected Farrow to quote her. I mean, she seems pretty happy that he exists :)
― Frederik B, Sunday, 8 September 2019 19:23 (four years ago) link
the idea the times wouldnt report on this bc a dude that would be associated w epstein sat on their board seems several degrees more cynical abt the nyt newsroom than I'm willing to be even at this late date
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Monday, 9 September 2019 05:37 (four years ago) link
Weird opinion
― Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Monday, 9 September 2019 05:38 (four years ago) link
Yeah, why is that hard to believe, D-40? And I mean, not just about the NYT.
― Frederik B, Monday, 9 September 2019 09:52 (four years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 00:01 (four years ago) link
voted wacked
― davey, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 03:49 (four years ago) link
The only counterargument I can see to whacked is -- what good would that do anyone with so much documentation out there? OTOH, still easier to nab someone with his testimony than without.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 03:55 (four years ago) link
Dead men tell no tales
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 17:59 (four years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 00:01 (four years ago) link
Bill Gates says he met with Jeffrey Epstein because he knew "a lot of rich people" https://t.co/xFAXrCxDQD pic.twitter.com/QcaVk52WZM— The Verge (@verge) September 11, 2019
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 03:45 (four years ago) link
Among the guests on the list: Elon Musk, Joi Ito, Peter Thiel, Mark Zuckerberg, Priscilla Chan, Michelle Yee, and Reid Hoffman.And of course Jeffrey Epstein.It was in fact Hoffman’s executive assistant who sent out the list, according to the email signature.— Anand Giridharadas (@AnandWrites) September 11, 2019
― ... (Eazy), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 22:09 (four years ago) link
I hate to be that guy, but I'm not clear on how that implicates Thiel, Zuckerberg or Chan. Is it saying that everyone invited received a guest list in advance and knew Jeffrey Epstein would be there? And was this like a 10 person dinner or a hundred person dinner? I just think people shouldn't be sloppy with equating someone who kinda sorta traveled in the same circles with him to someone who took money from him, partied with him, went to his island etc.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 22:32 (four years ago) link
I mean honestly every super-rich person in America (on earth?) is probably one degree of separation from Jeffrey Epstein. Not that I think that highly of the super-rich, but they're not ALL pedophiles and/or pedophile enablers.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 22:35 (four years ago) link
Not implicating them (at least on my end, by sharing the tweet), but it’s good to know who he’s been a guest of honor with.
― ... (Eazy), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 22:37 (four years ago) link
it seems to be saying the knew in advance, yes?
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 22:39 (four years ago) link
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, September 11, 2019 3:32 PM (thirteen minutes ago)
Baumé french cuisine moderne is served up by two-person staff serving few tables each service.
― Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 22:46 (four years ago) link
this was an intimate dinner with jeffrey
― Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 22:47 (four years ago) link
― don’t bore us, get to the aeon of horus (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 22:48 (four years ago) link
alright I'm gonna stop being Abraham pleading to save Sodom then.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 22:51 (four years ago) link
i don't know the specifics of how public his previous "thing" was but i assume it wasn't exactly uncommon knowledge that the dude was busted right? at least in those circles. i don't know what level of fame he had before (first ILX mention afaict is from goole in 2015, related to the westminster paedo ring).
― omar little, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 22:54 (four years ago) link
The super-rich apparently don't perform a basic Google search on who they might be meeting with.
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 23:21 (four years ago) link
If billionaires had to be careful to disassociate themselves from every sort of criminal billionaire, they have to figure out how to avoid associating with themselves.
― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 12 September 2019 03:09 (four years ago) link
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An anonymous massage therapist who claims to have been sexually assaulted by Kevin Spacey has died, according to a notice filed in court by the actor's attorneys.The individual, suing as a "John Doe," filed claims in September 2018 with the allegation of being forced to grab the actor's genitals twice during a massage two years earlier at a private residence in Malibu. In May, a federal judge in California allowed the case to move forward despite Spacey's objection that the plaintiff's identity was being shielded.Now, just a month after the parties came to a plan for proceeding in the suit that detailed prospective discovery and envisioned a seven- to 11-day trial, the plaintiff's attorney has informed Spacey that the client "recently passed."
The individual, suing as a "John Doe," filed claims in September 2018 with the allegation of being forced to grab the actor's genitals twice during a massage two years earlier at a private residence in Malibu. In May, a federal judge in California allowed the case to move forward despite Spacey's objection that the plaintiff's identity was being shielded.
Now, just a month after the parties came to a plan for proceeding in the suit that detailed prospective discovery and envisioned a seven- to 11-day trial, the plaintiff's attorney has informed Spacey that the client "recently passed."
― Is it true the star Beetle Juice is going to explode in 2012 (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 18 September 2019 19:58 (four years ago) link
Why did Jeffrey Epstein’s private jet fly to Riyadh on the eve of the 2016 election? https://t.co/2IgV0rqFbA via @thisisinsider— Noah Shachtman (@NoahShachtman) September 20, 2019
― ... (Eazy), Friday, 20 September 2019 14:55 (four years ago) link
Sounds like this guy went to great lengths for sex stuff, so if I had to answer that question I would say: sex stuff.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 20 September 2019 15:25 (four years ago) link
― Frederik B, Monday, September 9, 2019 4:52 AM (two weeks ago) bookmarkflaglink
because a cover up like that would be huge news to reporters within the organization that's trying to orchestrate the cover up? lol
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Friday, 27 September 2019 05:53 (four years ago) link
It's not news if it happens all the time, though? Like, you don't think these stories gets buried all the time?
― Frederik B, Friday, 27 September 2019 11:17 (four years ago) link
i dont think that the nytimes is in the habit of burying stories bc of a random board member, no -- ill buy that like jeff bezos has the kind of power to squash or softpedal stories critical of amazon but the idea that reporters are just like *shrug* bc some dude they never heard of who doesnt work in the news room wants to kill a story is patently absurd
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Monday, 30 September 2019 22:22 (four years ago) link
like, a reporter who *exposed* a story like that could get a pulitzer lol its working against the incentives of being a journalist
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Monday, 30 September 2019 22:29 (four years ago) link
...
― micah, Monday, 30 September 2019 23:30 (four years ago) link
Welp here's one more guy with a death wish
This is BadVolf, the former Palm Besch County Sheriff’s Office deputy who I’ve spoken about before. He became an activist about police corruption in America and was calling out corruption around Epstein case from the beginning , he has the Epstein tapes. https://t.co/hhIfxnmBCv— detty (@0ddette) October 1, 2019
― Simon H., Tuesday, 1 October 2019 14:58 (four years ago) link
At Financial Trust, a company with fewer than a dozen employees, investment expenses varied widely, from $1.3 million in 2000 to $16 million in 2004 to $42 million in 2005. In 2006 — the year Mr. Epstein was charged in Florida — Financial Trust pushed $117 million into an unnamed subsidiary whose purpose was undisclosed. The subsidiary was apparently transferred to Southern Trust in 2013, and by the end of 2017 the subsidiary accounted for more than half of the company’s $391 million in assets. The filings also disclose that Southern Trust received a $30.5 million loan that same year, but don’t say who provided it.One thing the financial statements make clear: Mr. Epstein paid himself handsomely. He pocketed $400 million in dividends and other payments from the companies starting in 1999 — the first full year after he moved his operations to the Virgin Islands from New York.The opacity of Mr. Epstein’s financial dealings has been a perplexing issue since he was arrested in July on federal charges of sex trafficking with underage girls. Although the criminal case against him closed after he committed suicide in federal custody in August, Mr. Epstein’s finances remain an important matter for women who are suing his estate claiming they were among his victims.
One thing the financial statements make clear: Mr. Epstein paid himself handsomely. He pocketed $400 million in dividends and other payments from the companies starting in 1999 — the first full year after he moved his operations to the Virgin Islands from New York.
The opacity of Mr. Epstein’s financial dealings has been a perplexing issue since he was arrested in July on federal charges of sex trafficking with underage girls. Although the criminal case against him closed after he committed suicide in federal custody in August, Mr. Epstein’s finances remain an important matter for women who are suing his estate claiming they were among his victims.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/03/business/jeffrey-epstein-southern-trust.html
― Simon H., Thursday, 3 October 2019 21:59 (four years ago) link
Incredibly rich people are always looking for ways to grow their fortunes, and Epstein probably was investing a little and playing a shell game with the rest, right? Probably another case where someone could have thrown cash in an index fund and come out ahead, instead they’re behind or get a pittance so their buddy gets to jet around and buy islands
― mh, Friday, 4 October 2019 02:55 (four years ago) link
*nods sagely* yes, this checks out 100%, we've all flown around the world to break off a friendship with someone, while surrounded by teenage girls who were also there for some reason
Prince Andrew claims 2010 Jeffrey Epstein visit in NYC was to end friendship https://t.co/54NrvJJ6DW pic.twitter.com/tsPNaY67P7— New York Post (@nypost) October 6, 2019
― to regain his mental focus, he played video-game golf (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 7 October 2019 14:27 (four years ago) link
the obligations on royalty are extremely onerous.
― The Pingularity (ledge), Monday, 7 October 2019 14:33 (four years ago) link
friendship ended with JEFFREY
― mh, Monday, 7 October 2019 14:38 (four years ago) link
"Believe me, this is hurting me as much as it's hurting you."
― Let them eat Pfifferlinge an Schneckensauce (Tom D.), Monday, 7 October 2019 14:47 (four years ago) link
listen we had great times at the teen sex parties but those days are over now
― lag∞n, Monday, 7 October 2019 16:32 (four years ago) link
He even compared him to Jimmy Savile, a BBC TV and radio star who after his death was revealed to have raped and sexually assaulted hundreds of victimsCopyeditors at the Post don’t know how to spell “before”
― now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Monday, 7 October 2019 18:42 (four years ago) link
EXCLUSIVE: Executor of Jeffrey Epstein's estate - named in new lawsuit - was seen removing a bag of items from pedo's mansion https://t.co/Kr04EPA5zs— Daily Mail US (@DailyMail) October 7, 2019
― Simon H., Monday, 7 October 2019 19:04 (four years ago) link
Epstein’s Funko Pop collection
― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Monday, 7 October 2019 19:11 (four years ago) link
more like fucko pop
― lag∞n, Monday, 7 October 2019 19:15 (four years ago) link
lol I was going to say Hummel figurines but latebloomer otm
― mh, Monday, 7 October 2019 20:53 (four years ago) link
In the spirit of the title: Chrissy Teigen making a heartfelt complaint about being targeted by Qanon/Pizzagate nut jobs - and the first 100 comments being "MJ was innocent!" nut jobs, which I didn't realise was even a thing, let alone a thing fixated in John Legend.
u know what is not great? I still have to read on social media many times a day that John and I are pedophiles and look at photoshopped/miscaptioned photos of us on "Epstein Island" and I just have to deal with it because "people are crazy these days"— christine teigen (@chrissyteigen) October 22, 2019
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 05:53 (four years ago) link
There are various people who post on this site who have posted here to the effect that they dont think mj was guilty
― Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 05:59 (four years ago) link
when he died, one young woman in the office expected everyone to be shaken up, and ended up crying more because she was startled to find most of us believed he was a serial predator
― now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 08:04 (four years ago) link
I don't think that's an unreasonable position to have taken 10 years ago - but the tweet above is from Oct 22, 2019.
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 08:46 (four years ago) link
xp thought you meant Epstein for a sec there
― Lucky Pierre Delecto (crüt), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 11:13 (four years ago) link
lol, same
― expedited frictionless convergences (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 11:48 (four years ago) link
― Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, October 22, 2019 10:59 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
this is pretty distinct from the fringe of people on twitter who seem to go after anyone who's said anything about the leaving neverland doc
― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 12:06 (four years ago) link
thought you meant Epstein for a sec therearf
― now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 15:35 (four years ago) link
― Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 16:05 (four years ago) link
Breaking: Jeffrey Epstein’s autopsy ‘points to homicide,’ pathologist claims https://t.co/Nlb9Sd9tnN— NYT Metro (@NYTMetro) October 30, 2019
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 14:14 (four years ago) link
https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/prince-andrew-duke-of-york-attends-the-opening-of-the-news-photo-621890272-1566174022.jpg?crop=0.668xw:1.00xh;0.134xw,0&resize=480:*
― non-euclidean lenin (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 14:20 (four years ago) link
apparently said pathologist is not particularly reliable. still, noteworthy that the NYT is going back to the well.
― Simon H., Wednesday, 30 October 2019 14:20 (four years ago) link
in other news HBO is moving ahead with an Epstein miniseries by Adam McKay which is maybe the single worst idea I've heard all year
― Simon H., Wednesday, 30 October 2019 19:17 (four years ago) link
First Prince Philip offs Diana, now Jeffrey Epstein.
― Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 19:21 (four years ago) link
alright lyndon larouche
― mark s, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 19:22 (four years ago) link
He's got some strength in those bony hands though.
― Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 19:23 (four years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EIJlWFSXYAU8o6d?format=jpg&name=small
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 19:28 (four years ago) link
Can't wait for this to become Serial S4
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 19:31 (four years ago) link
didn't we hear about this from this pathologist some time ago? the coverage of this is so weird. and whatever happened to ghislane, we're just gonna settle on a doctored photo of her at an in-n-out burger as enough here?
― global tetrahedron, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 21:06 (four years ago) link
She’s apparently in Brazil with Jean Luc Brunel.
― Srinivasaraghavan VONCataraghavan (ShariVari), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 21:10 (four years ago) link
that’s it, the stranglers are cancelled
― non-euclidean lenin (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 21:15 (four years ago) link
too soon
― esempio (crüt), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 22:17 (four years ago) link
I think he became a lizard
― When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Thursday, 31 October 2019 03:21 (four years ago) link
Welp!
Jeffrey Epstein FBI File Vault just dropped. Enjoy! https://t.co/dTMUj88bgS— David Slavick (@davidslavick) November 3, 2019
― Simon H., Sunday, 3 November 2019 03:45 (four years ago) link
...and it's like 95% redacted, of course. Lame.
― Simon H., Sunday, 3 November 2019 03:49 (four years ago) link
Holy shit. Wait til the end. pic.twitter.com/PZbBOm1txK— Siraj Hashmi (@SirajAHashmi) November 3, 2019
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 3 November 2019 17:07 (four years ago) link
literally just came here to post thatincredible
― non-euclidean lenin (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 3 November 2019 17:11 (four years ago) link
I, too, am whooping and hollering
― mh, Sunday, 3 November 2019 17:19 (four years ago) link
the obsession with this conspiracy among the right wing is unbelivable to me. I peek in on my insane trump loving family's FB feeds and they're still posting about this every day.
― akm, Sunday, 3 November 2019 17:23 (four years ago) link
Lefties are too
― Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Sunday, 3 November 2019 17:24 (four years ago) link
For diff reasons
― akm, Sunday, November 3, 2019 5:23 PM (twenty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
The funny/sad part is that a good chunk of these people think Trump is secretly fighting the pedo cabal. Real pudding-brain shit
― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Sunday, 3 November 2019 18:00 (four years ago) link
I mean, everyone thinking he was whacked thinks it was to keep him silent about sexual exploitation and the dirt he’d have on some sort of cabalwhether he was also a cia asset, not sure if that’s a universally gossiped-about part
― mh, Sunday, 3 November 2019 18:08 (four years ago) link
the cia has been involved in so much deeply shady, stupid shit that practically anything you accuse them of doing will have an air of probability. some of their confirmed operations have been completely Poe's Law stuff, beyond self-parody.
― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 3 November 2019 18:15 (four years ago) link
"epstein didn't kill himself" gonna be the new baba booey huh
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 3 November 2019 21:01 (four years ago) link
More like the "how is babby formed"
― Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Sunday, 3 November 2019 21:02 (four years ago) link
how is class solidarity formed
― non-euclidean lenin (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 3 November 2019 21:25 (four years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/60jObXF.jpg
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 3 November 2019 21:52 (four years ago) link
and there it is
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 4 November 2019 01:58 (four years ago) link
So this just happened live on @MSNBC at the Alabama - LSU game. 😂Reporter: Why do you like the President so much and what policies stand out to you?Student "Parker Savage": Jeffery Epstein didn't kill himself. *takes off Trump pin and drops it on ground* pic.twitter.com/xTZtjpMfQ5— Midnite Mogwai (@midnitemogwai) November 9, 2019
― lag∞n, Sunday, 10 November 2019 00:54 (four years ago) link
I appreciate how this is becoming a new type of rickroll.
― Yerac, Sunday, 10 November 2019 01:10 (four years ago) link
a plurality of ilxors think he was murdered. a clear majority thinks he either was murdered, or was given the means to kill himself.
ILXORS! not a man on the street thing. the cream of the crop.
folks
― treeship., Sunday, 10 November 2019 01:12 (four years ago) link
the only way this shit cld get shadier is if there were video of a shadowy figure creeping away from the scene
― lag∞n, Sunday, 10 November 2019 01:14 (four years ago) link
that clip is pretty good
― Dan S, Sunday, 10 November 2019 01:14 (four years ago) link
what is shadier than the death is that "sweetheart" deal he got in 08, when he was basically allowed to go home from prison during the day and molest people. and the prosecutor (acosta) said he was told "epstein belongs to intelligence."
it seems absurd we won't get to the bottom of this, when there is so much public awareness
― treeship., Sunday, 10 November 2019 01:20 (four years ago) link
the whole thing cldnt be more insanely "you have got to be joking me"
― lag∞n, Sunday, 10 November 2019 01:21 (four years ago) link
has bernie promised to investigate this shit yet
― lag∞n, Sunday, 10 November 2019 01:24 (four years ago) link
the prosecutor (acosta) said he was told "epstein belongs to intelligence."
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Sunday, 10 November 2019 01:46 (four years ago) link
oh you didn't know this?
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/i-was-told-epstein-belonged-to-intelligence-and-to-leave-it-alone
really insane
― treeship., Sunday, 10 November 2019 01:47 (four years ago) link
huh, somehow i missed that -- and this came out even before his death. i don't even know what to make of that.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Sunday, 10 November 2019 01:54 (four years ago) link
i don't think it's absurd to speculate he was running a blackmail ring. and that "intelligence" caught wind of it and used it for their purposes--leaning on powerful people they needed favors for.
― treeship., Sunday, 10 November 2019 02:01 (four years ago) link
there isn't really a good explanation for why people started letting him manage their money in the first place. he started his fund with the provision that investors needed to put up, at minimum, a billion dollars--this is when he was relatively unknown. and he found investors.
― treeship., Sunday, 10 November 2019 02:02 (four years ago) link
its seems completely reasonable given the known facts of the case
― lag∞n, Sunday, 10 November 2019 02:02 (four years ago) link
tho i doubt ppl were actual giving him a billion at a time
― lag∞n, Sunday, 10 November 2019 02:03 (four years ago) link
the details of his business are still really opaque. that's the legend at least.
― treeship., Sunday, 10 November 2019 02:05 (four years ago) link
It feels like there are two versions of the Epstein meme. The serious version that lefties and righties alike are sharing because they want it investigated.
And then the RickRoll version which is apolitical and played for shits and giggles
― Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Sunday, 10 November 2019 02:07 (four years ago) link
it was his marketing but i bet he was taking in much smaller amounts, not many ppl have a billion dollars just to throw around not even billionaires, tho obvs much smaller amounts than a billion can still be huge piles of money, one theory i read was that given reports that no one really did any deals w him is he was just putting the money in index funds thereby actually generating dece returns for his investors, maybe sort of a soft blackmail, or for a lot of them not really blackmail at all, more of a prostitution ring
― lag∞n, Sunday, 10 November 2019 02:10 (four years ago) link
tho more than that like he was offering access to a lifestyle that these guys thought they shd be living, hes one of them not some pimp or whatever except hes doing it like in the movies young girls all around him
― lag∞n, Sunday, 10 November 2019 02:18 (four years ago) link
which is not to say he didnt make tapes or just generally know incriminating things but as long as everyone was cool it was all blase blah
― lag∞n, Sunday, 10 November 2019 02:19 (four years ago) link
my read
and im sure most of the guys he mingled with never did anything w the girls, but they knew they were available if they wanted
― lag∞n, Sunday, 10 November 2019 02:22 (four years ago) link
like some of the shit thats come out with bill gates he seemed interested in how epstein was living but i bet hes cautious as heck and prob actually wld never fuck w anything like that but he was still curious to check out the scene
― lag∞n, Sunday, 10 November 2019 02:28 (four years ago) link
https://nypost.com/2019/11/08/epstein-didnt-kill-himself-printed-on-california-brewerys-beer-cans/
― treeship., Sunday, 10 November 2019 02:51 (four years ago) link
the thing abt this turning into a meme is i think almost everyone joking around about it also believes it to be shady as shit, because it just so obviously is
― lag∞n, Sunday, 10 November 2019 02:53 (four years ago) link
It seems implausible that Epstein and Maxwell weren’t part of an intelligence operation. There are a number of different rabbit holes around the Maxwell family, not just Robert and Ghislaine.
― Srinivasaraghavan VONCataraghavan (ShariVari), Sunday, 10 November 2019 03:20 (four years ago) link
yeah
― lag∞n, Sunday, 10 November 2019 03:24 (four years ago) link
epstein did 9/11
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Sunday, 10 November 2019 03:26 (four years ago) link
the thing about this compared to every conspiracy theory ever it is requires no fake goofy bullshit to glue it together, theres no jet fuel cant melt steel beams or the illuminati required, the screw loose change of epstein is the new york times
― lag∞n, Sunday, 10 November 2019 04:04 (four years ago) link
theres an extensive public record of bill clinton risking it all for sex w young girls
― lag∞n, Sunday, 10 November 2019 04:12 (four years ago) link
the thing abt this turning into a meme is i think almost everyone joking around about it also believes it to be shady as shit, because it just so obviously iscosine. the rickrolling is only happening because it's basically all we've got left. Most of the people who believe it was murder don't have any faith that the continuing investigation into the pedo ring will be legit and there's nothing we can do about it. It's just this absurd obvious thing that we'll be told to forget about until we eventually do and the only recourse left is to turn it into a punchline, hoping the meme will catch fire and keep enough spotlight on the case as it unfolds that it'll (maybe?) be harder for Ghislaine to slip on a banana peel in her cell or whatever.
― Fetchboy, Sunday, 10 November 2019 04:25 (four years ago) link
it seems to be kinda working lol
― lag∞n, Sunday, 10 November 2019 04:28 (four years ago) link
My alma mater's town is trying to name a new bridge "Epstein Didn't Kill Himself Bridge" pic.twitter.com/t1mSJFK9Iw— josh (@josh_fbi) November 9, 2019
― lag∞n, Sunday, 10 November 2019 04:31 (four years ago) link
Jeffrey McEpstein Didn't Kill Himself BridgeFace
― StanM, Sunday, 10 November 2019 04:53 (four years ago) link
I have no idea how to evaluate it. I’ve experienced someone killing themselves while on suicide watch in a psychiatric hospital, and prisons are worse at mental health care than that.
So weighing up the odds that a man facing prison for child abuse kills himself against the idea that people in power may have had interests in killing him etc.
I’m not sure that the suicide story doesn’t hold the balance of probabilities.
― Bidh boladh a' mhairbh de 'n láimh fhalaimh (dowd), Sunday, 10 November 2019 09:21 (four years ago) link
after he’d been sentenced... maybe before sentencing, when he was spending his time out of his cell with ladies that his lawyers were bringing in for him every day... naw
― Titanic was cliched Marxist crap. (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 10 November 2019 09:22 (four years ago) link
If there were things he didn’t want to come out during the trial, things which would be widely reported, I can see why he would kill himself beforehand - especially if he was confident he would be found guilty.
― Bidh boladh a' mhairbh de 'n láimh fhalaimh (dowd), Sunday, 10 November 2019 09:24 (four years ago) link
The main problem is the weighing the suicide against the unknown - how often do people get killed to keep them quiet. I have no idea, and it may be the case. I just find it odd that people are weighing it so easily.
― Bidh boladh a' mhairbh de 'n láimh fhalaimh (dowd), Sunday, 10 November 2019 09:27 (four years ago) link
It’s not the first time a CIA-linked billionaire financier has died under mysterious circumstances after they’d become an embarrassment.
https://www.salon.com/2012/12/02/better_than_bourne_who_really_killed_nick_deak/
― Srinivasaraghavan VONCataraghavan (ShariVari), Sunday, 10 November 2019 10:48 (four years ago) link
thing is even if he killed himself the entire situation is still totally fucked
― lag∞n, Sunday, 10 November 2019 11:07 (four years ago) link
Negligence in prisons isn’t quite as exciting a story though.
― Bidh boladh a' mhairbh de 'n láimh fhalaimh (dowd), Sunday, 10 November 2019 11:20 (four years ago) link
talking about the whole story not just his death
― lag∞n, Sunday, 10 November 2019 11:33 (four years ago) link
it had been 13 years since the last suicide in the mcc, the cameras were turned off outside Epstein’s cell, and the staff decided to go for a nap instead of doing their jobs - negligence is possible but seems... a bit of a stretch that it all the failings just happened on the one night epstein decided to crush his hyoid bone
― Titanic was cliched Marxist crap. (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 10 November 2019 11:35 (four years ago) link
― Srinivasaraghavan VONCataraghavan (ShariVari), Sunday, November 10, 2019 5:48 AM (fifty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
this is wild
― lag∞n, Sunday, 10 November 2019 11:40 (four years ago) link
its a good read for sure, almost too good
― micah, Sunday, 10 November 2019 11:53 (four years ago) link
The giant rock on campus that gets painted every few days with random messages (usually in support of various student organizations or in protest of the most recent admin shitshow) has had “Epstein didn’t kill himself” on it for the past couple of days now
― joygoat, Sunday, 10 November 2019 13:16 (four years ago) link
an electronic sign on the mass pike toohttp://vm.tiktok.com/ufo1rG/bbc
― maura, Sunday, 10 November 2019 18:06 (four years ago) link
― lag∞n, Sunday, November 10, 2019 5:07 AM (seven hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
exactly, which is why the focus on the cause of death is so puzzling to me
― esempio (crüt), Sunday, 10 November 2019 18:17 (four years ago) link
lol maura did you make that vid? bc that is a great soundtrack
― esempio (crüt), Sunday, 10 November 2019 18:18 (four years ago) link
i didn’t!!
― maura, Sunday, 10 November 2019 20:12 (four years ago) link
I don't have the clip handy, but there was a notable Jeffrey Epstein scene in this week's Evil.
― Simon H., Sunday, 10 November 2019 20:16 (four years ago) link
I don't get why, when all the known facts about Epstein and his life are so bizarre and incredible, him being killed in prison somehow strains credulity
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 10 November 2019 20:53 (four years ago) link
it's totally goofy
"It seems there was a cabal of superpowerful statsemen and captains of industry who had a secret rape island. GTFO w/ your conspiracy theories."
agreed that it doesn't really matter though
― Suggest Banshee (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 10 November 2019 20:57 (four years ago) link
I don't have the clip handy, but there was a notable Jeffrey Epstein scene in this week's Evil.~googles “this week’s evil”~~ computer melts from overwhelmed processors~
― now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Sunday, 10 November 2019 21:09 (four years ago) link
For the curious: the show is about investigators hired by the Catholic church charged with debunking or confirming miracles/possessions/etc. They meet a women who claims to be able to talk to God and give prophecy, so given the opportunity, the Aasif Mandvi character immediately uses the opportunity to ask if Epstein committed suicide and she answers "no", and that he was murdered with a pillow to protect "powerful men."
― Simon H., Sunday, 10 November 2019 21:49 (four years ago) link
That doesn't qualify as "prophecy" and I doubt God would appreciate being interrogated about what an omniscient being would classify as trivia. But, hey-la, it's television.
― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 10 November 2019 21:55 (four years ago) link
Tbc (and idk why I feel the need to defend a very silly show) the other characters find him asking the question inappropriate
― Simon H., Sunday, 10 November 2019 21:58 (four years ago) link
its appropriate actually
― lag∞n, Sunday, 10 November 2019 22:22 (four years ago) link
actually!
― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 10 November 2019 22:22 (four years ago) link
actually
― lag∞n, Sunday, 10 November 2019 22:23 (four years ago) link
(nods)
― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 10 November 2019 22:30 (four years ago) link
At a Texas State basketball game. pic.twitter.com/203AhRTrUB— Meisterboomer (@meisterbuerger) November 9, 2019
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 12 November 2019 21:43 (four years ago) link
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 22:35 (four years ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/13/lawmaker-posts-cryptic-jeffrey-epstein-message-during-impeachment-hearing
― SHANTY the golden fish portion (stevie), Thursday, 14 November 2019 10:10 (four years ago) link
cool
― grebbmoolb (crüt), Thursday, 14 November 2019 13:08 (four years ago) link
the guy whose family TOOK OUT AN AD TELLING PEOPLE TO VOTE AGAINST HIM
― maura, Thursday, 14 November 2019 16:12 (four years ago) link
okay I didn't realize that's who that was
― brigadier pudding (DJP), Thursday, 14 November 2019 16:53 (four years ago) link
good to see he's using his time in productive ways
wonder who was in charge of the Justice Department when it happened and whether or not that person had any connections to Epstein
― frogbs, Thursday, 14 November 2019 16:56 (four years ago) link
― maura, Thursday, November 14, 2019 11:12 AM (forty-six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
lmao that was the best
― lag∞n, Thursday, 14 November 2019 16:59 (four years ago) link
also this is the best kudos to that no doubt horrible man for generating quality news
― lag∞n, Thursday, 14 November 2019 17:00 (four years ago) link
he's still in office, he only deserves our scorn
― maura, Thursday, 14 November 2019 21:17 (four years ago) link
#Assad says Epstein didn't commit suicide, he was killed https://t.co/D1ktgu9u6F #Syria— Al-Masdar News (@TheArabSource) November 14, 2019
idk how we got here but we got here.
― Srinivasaraghavan VONCataraghavan (ShariVari), Friday, 15 November 2019 04:42 (four years ago) link
All the Trump supporters on my Facebook feed started posting these memes daily at the same time, some of them very slickly produced, many crafted to appeal to the hard rock / heavy metal set. Makes me think this is a dry run for the 2020 meme wars. Facebook now knows who its reliable memesoldiers are.
― Bnad, Friday, 15 November 2019 05:10 (four years ago) link
I'm so glad there are threads like this when I have LOTS of free time on my hands. No real opinion on whether he did or didn't kill himself but clearly this has just become another rightwing distraction and given their fixation with the Clintons it doesn't seem unlikely that their their theories will point more and more towards the connection with Bill.
The discussion of conspiracy theories mid-thread was more interesting to me. I wonder, does Russiagate qualify as a conspiracy theory?
― viborg, Friday, 15 November 2019 07:40 (four years ago) link
I revived another thread to kind of talk about that! Russiagate is unusual because its a centrist pushed conspiracy, and usually centrists aren't predisposed to conspiracies. Its quite an overtly top down conspiracy. The more left or right you go the more you're going to believe things aren't as presented (leading down some strange paths sometimes), centrism is kind of the opposite of that, that things are generally as they appear and/or problems are out in the open
― anvil, Friday, 15 November 2019 07:59 (four years ago) link
Russiagate in general wasn't a conspiracy, in that 90% of it was true.
― Frederik B, Friday, 15 November 2019 08:23 (four years ago) link
Whether a conspiracy theory is true or not has no bearing on whether it is a conspiracy theory. Some conspiray theories are true, and some conspiracy theories are not true.
This isn't about the veracity of any particular theory, but about predisposition towards them
― anvil, Friday, 15 November 2019 08:36 (four years ago) link
Lol, ok. But even then, the bulk of Russiagate, that Russians were interfering in the election, and that Trump encouraged them at the very least, was pretty clear from summer 2016. So that was probably why a lot of people believed it. The interesting question is more why so many people furiously denied it and helped the Russians in spreading the material. I think those people had more of a conspiratorial mindset.
― Frederik B, Friday, 15 November 2019 08:53 (four years ago) link
That should really not be controversial, a lot of people seemed to think Russiagate was thought up by Dem elites and the Deep State to undo the will of the people. That's the conspiracy here.
― Frederik B, Friday, 15 November 2019 08:55 (four years ago) link
― Frederik B, Friday, November 15, 2019 8:23 AM (thirty minutes ago)
i recommend buying a dictionary
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 15 November 2019 08:58 (four years ago) link
for better or worse, the phrase “conspiracy theory” near-universally means a crackpot or impossible one, and Fred - a very clear writer but in a second language, able to fudge the odd nuance - was here using the first word in context of the whole phrase
― insecurity bear (sic), Friday, 15 November 2019 09:40 (four years ago) link
Prince Andrew's being interviewed on a Newsnight special tomorrow night. It's the BBC, so unlikely to be incredibly uncomfortable, but it'll be interesting to see how far they'll be permitted to go.
― Srinivasaraghavan VONCataraghavan (ShariVari), Friday, 15 November 2019 10:35 (four years ago) link
'not nearly far enough', one assumes
― actor Robert de Niro disguised as an Uzbek homeopath (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 15 November 2019 10:51 (four years ago) link
One assumes - but there's also a theory that he's so bang-to-rights, there's a political value in making him out to be at least moderately accountable in public to lessen the perception that the Royal Family and government have been running interference for him.
― Srinivasaraghavan VONCataraghavan (ShariVari), Friday, 15 November 2019 11:08 (four years ago) link
I can't imagine, even with softball questions, he can possibly come out of it looking good or would have agreed to it in the first place if he hadn't been compelled by someone more senior.
― Srinivasaraghavan VONCataraghavan (ShariVari), Friday, 15 November 2019 11:09 (four years ago) link
it'll be instructive as to how far the royals are willing to hang him out to dry, for sure
― actor Robert de Niro disguised as an Uzbek homeopath (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 15 November 2019 11:19 (four years ago) link
That’s a HELLUVA NON-DENIAL when the allegation is repeatedly having sex with a 17-year-old sex slave of a notorious pedophile. pic.twitter.com/mTp1COGXQX— Mark Di Stefano 🤙🏻 (@MarkDiStef) November 15, 2019
― Srinivasaraghavan VONCataraghavan (ShariVari), Friday, 15 November 2019 22:00 (four years ago) link
he's really captured the enormity of the situation with that apology
― The Man Who Was Thirsty (Noodle Vague), Friday, 15 November 2019 22:22 (four years ago) link
maybe could've thrown a "soz" in there too
― The Man Who Was Thirsty (Noodle Vague), Friday, 15 November 2019 22:23 (four years ago) link
https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2014-03/enhanced/webdr04/10/10/anigif_original-grid-image-28739-1394461841-5.gif?crop=450:298;2,0
― actor Robert de Niro disguised as an Uzbek homeopath (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 15 November 2019 22:30 (four years ago) link
Federal prosecutors offered a plea deal to two correctional officers responsible for guarding Jeffrey Epstein on the night of his death, but the officers have declined, people familiar with the matter tell The Associated Press. https://t.co/GmOyWM1zG7— The Associated Press (@AP) November 15, 2019
― Simon H., Saturday, 16 November 2019 02:12 (four years ago) link
When I hear a politician saying "I have no recollection," I know I'm 100% OK to write the story because that always means "I don't like it, but I can't deny it." EVERY TIME. It's the accepted nod, wink form of words for "I'm bang to rights". Is the Duke badly advised or stupid?— Tim Shipman (@ShippersUnbound) November 15, 2019
― Andrew Farrell, Saturday, 16 November 2019 11:21 (four years ago) link
bit of both
― The Man Who Was Thirsty (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 16 November 2019 11:29 (four years ago) link
a lot of both, i’d say
― actor Robert de Niro disguised as an Uzbek homeopath (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 16 November 2019 12:17 (four years ago) link
What else can he say?
― Srinivasaraghavan VONCataraghavan (ShariVari), Saturday, 16 November 2019 15:22 (four years ago) link
"I'm a dodgy child abuser from an outmoded institution that should be abolished toot sweet, Vote Labour, peace"
― The Man Who Was Thirsty (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 16 November 2019 15:30 (four years ago) link
it would have been nice if he’d led with “for decades, i’ve been an active and enthusiastic participant in an international sex trafficking and child rape ring alongside some of the world’s richest and most powerful men, which is probably at least in part also operating as a blackmail operation for intelligences agencies in countries including the united states, united kingdom and israel “also, jeffrey epstein was murdered”
― actor Robert de Niro disguised as an Uzbek homeopath (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 16 November 2019 15:59 (four years ago) link
they obv don't teach these posh kiddyfiddler gimps the art of plausible deniability these days.
― calzino, Saturday, 16 November 2019 16:00 (four years ago) link
just a bit of fun init
― lag∞n, Saturday, 16 November 2019 17:13 (four years ago) link
Shocking to see an otherwise merely useless pile of flesh tarnished with these accusations.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Saturday, 16 November 2019 20:59 (four years ago) link
If some entitled shit who is considered important because he was born and for no other reason can do a thing like this, who can we even trust anymore?
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Saturday, 16 November 2019 21:00 (four years ago) link
30 seconds into this interview and it's even worse than in the clips. He looks terrified.
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 16 November 2019 21:10 (four years ago) link
"I never have really partied" - this man is the anti-Andrew WK
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 16 November 2019 21:12 (four years ago) link
yikes yikes yikes yikes at this
― ||||||||, Saturday, 16 November 2019 21:21 (four years ago) link
The bits he has obviously prepared for are somehow worse. Still not sure if the guilt or the idiocy is stronger here, but both are powerful forces.
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 16 November 2019 21:22 (four years ago) link
“I do not regret being friends with a pedophile”
― ||||||||, Saturday, 16 November 2019 21:27 (four years ago) link
“I was not close friends with him... but I felt like I had to fly halfway across the world to break up with him.”
― ||||||||, Saturday, 16 November 2019 21:28 (four years ago) link
“I stayed at his house in NYC... because it was convenient.”
YOU ARE A LITERAL MILLIONAIRE
It’s very bleak to think that he’ll get away with this, just as with savile it’s been an open secret for years, comedians would allude to it. Fuck these parasites
― YouGov to see it (wins), Saturday, 16 November 2019 21:29 (four years ago) link
"I don't know that nightclub. I didn't buy any drinks when I was there"
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 16 November 2019 21:29 (four years ago) link
Is he going to bring out his diaries now like the rapist judge?
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 16 November 2019 21:30 (four years ago) link
"I didn't sweat at the time"
THE SWEAT BIT
― ||||||||, Saturday, 16 November 2019 21:31 (four years ago) link
they’re not just parasites, they’re predators
― actor Robert de Niro disguised as an Uzbek homeopath (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 16 November 2019 21:32 (four years ago) link
Sorry, but this is brilliant, I have never seen anyone so guilty and so stupid
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 16 November 2019 21:34 (four years ago) link
He can't even work out when to nod and when to shake his head
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 16 November 2019 21:36 (four years ago) link
he has absolutely fucked it. comes across so guilty
― ||||||||, Saturday, 16 November 2019 21:38 (four years ago) link
I’m not watching it, I’m depressed enough already. He’ll convince the nation of his guilt and the royal family will be slightly less popular until the next time there’s a wedding or a baby
― YouGov to see it (wins), Saturday, 16 November 2019 21:39 (four years ago) link
Enjoying the way his eyes dart from side to side for half a second when he gets a question he doesn't want to answer, like he's checking if there's a nearby window he can throw himself out of.
What the fuck has he been talking about the last five minutes?
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 16 November 2019 21:53 (four years ago) link
UNBECOMING
― ||||||||, Saturday, 16 November 2019 21:57 (four years ago) link
(xxp) Yes, you literally couldn't pay me to watch this.
― 'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Saturday, 16 November 2019 21:58 (four years ago) link
this is the only clip I require
Ladies and gentlemen, possibly the greatest 57 seconds of television ever recorded.#Newsnight #PrinceAndrew#NonceUponATime pic.twitter.com/vuuYpyXt9I— Dr Beep Bloop Broop (@DrJamesMasonry) November 16, 2019
― Simon H., Saturday, 16 November 2019 21:59 (four years ago) link
I did watch that clip yeah
― YouGov to see it (wins), Saturday, 16 November 2019 22:02 (four years ago) link
well fuck i guess he’s in the clear lads
― actor Robert de Niro disguised as an Uzbek homeopath (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 16 November 2019 22:02 (four years ago) link
Military veterans treated like scum, u h8 to see it
― Cornelius Fondue (Matt #2), Saturday, 16 November 2019 22:06 (four years ago) link
Best TV of the year, no regrets. I'd like to see a sequel where he's taken away to jail at the end, but this is probably all we're getting.
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 16 November 2019 22:06 (four years ago) link
Prince Andrew: “He has quite obviously conducted himself in a manner that was unbecoming...”Maitlis: “Unbecoming? He was a sex offender”The moment. pic.twitter.com/oYcZcZ5j1y#PrinceAndrew— Richard Chambers (@newschambers) November 16, 2019
― ||||||||, Saturday, 16 November 2019 22:15 (four years ago) link
holy shit this guy
Wow. Just...wow. pic.twitter.com/3hhMm3lm6m— Nooruddean (@BeardedGenius) November 16, 2019
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 16 November 2019 22:18 (four years ago) link
best evidence so far against Epstein conspiracy theorists is that he's even been allowed to give this horrifically inept an interview
― Simon H., Saturday, 16 November 2019 22:23 (four years ago) link
Maybe this will make Elizabeth so mad she strokes out?
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Saturday, 16 November 2019 22:25 (four years ago) link
makes u wonder what other horrific shit the royals are frantically trying to hide if they’re willing to sacrifice andrew on a limited hangout like this
― actor Robert de Niro disguised as an Uzbek homeopath (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 16 November 2019 22:27 (four years ago) link
I actually felt it was a bit jarring when she called him "your royal highness" at the end, it felt like he had absolutely forfeited the right to be offered any kind of respect, of course this is England, so ha!
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 16 November 2019 22:29 (four years ago) link
― mark s, Saturday, August 24, 2019 4:46 PM (two months ago) bookmarkflaglink
― mark s, Saturday, 16 November 2019 22:31 (four years ago) link
also: you know who doesn't sweat?
https://c.tribune.com.pk/2011/03/Queen.jpg
― mark s, Saturday, 16 November 2019 22:33 (four years ago) link
can a tragic spontaneous implosion of andrew’s hyoid bone be far away
― actor Robert de Niro disguised as an Uzbek homeopath (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 16 November 2019 22:33 (four years ago) link
did wonder why he kept going on about having a 'thick skin'
― ||||||||, Saturday, 16 November 2019 22:34 (four years ago) link
In birds, and some reptiles, the body of the hyoid is greatly extended forward, creating a solid bony support for the tongue.
― YouGov to see it (wins), Saturday, 16 November 2019 22:34 (four years ago) link
still, now that andrew’s definitively cleared his name, maybe princess eugenie’s anti-human-trafficking podcast, the much-anticipated début of which was delayed for... reasons, can finally see the light of day
― actor Robert de Niro disguised as an Uzbek homeopath (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 16 November 2019 22:36 (four years ago) link
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, November 16, 2019 4:34 PM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
well said
― lag∞n, Sunday, 17 November 2019 03:03 (four years ago) link
This is the second time in my lifetime that the Royal Family have organised a car crash.— Nooruddean (@BeardedGenius) November 16, 2019
― Simon H., Sunday, 17 November 2019 04:58 (four years ago) link
this is the most insane shit
Absolutely outstanding that Prince Andrew has managed to spin his decision to stay with a convicted nonce as him being “too honourable” pic.twitter.com/9tnrKyAIgL— James Felton (@JimMFelton) November 16, 2019
― lag∞n, Sunday, 17 November 2019 05:30 (four years ago) link
absolutely astonishing that Prince Andrew openly admits he doesn’t regret being friends with a sex trafficker because that sex trafficker was “actually very useful” to him personally and professionally . he doesn’t even see anything wrong with that statesment pic.twitter.com/CeJV4DJysd— anna leszkiewicz (@annaleszkie) November 17, 2019
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 17 November 2019 11:24 (four years ago) link
I hope the Salisbury branch of Zizzis have some supportive words for anyone at Pizza Express Woking today.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 17 November 2019 11:46 (four years ago) link
Showing this to anyone who asks what British culture is pic.twitter.com/DgXLf3g1K2— hussein kesvani (@HKesvani) November 16, 2019
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 17 November 2019 11:49 (four years ago) link
lmao at distancing yourself from pizzagate-adjacent allegations with an alibi which focuses on... pizza
― actor Robert de Niro disguised as an Uzbek homeopath (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 17 November 2019 11:57 (four years ago) link
He's going to be trouble for his re-election, isn't he? Oh wait
― StanM, Sunday, 17 November 2019 12:16 (four years ago) link
find it bizarre that he does this interview when i didn't think he'd even been accused by anyone of an actual crime? but perhaps i missed something
― oscar bravo, Sunday, 17 November 2019 14:05 (four years ago) link
Beyond the crime of being an actual Prince that is.
― 'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Sunday, 17 November 2019 14:07 (four years ago) link
giuffre has precisely claimed he's committed a crime, calling him an abuser and a participant (e.g. in what epstein was enabling)
― mark s, Sunday, 17 November 2019 14:09 (four years ago) link
oh i was just going by the reports which say the interviewer puts it to him that he's alleged to have sex with a 17 yr old in london. didn't know the accusation was that it was non-consensual.
― oscar bravo, Sunday, 17 November 2019 14:13 (four years ago) link
admittedly the details have mostly passed me by. apologies.
― oscar bravo, Sunday, 17 November 2019 14:14 (four years ago) link
it's not been deeply covered in the uk -- standard-issue media-royalty omerta - and maitlis definitely softballed the issues in the interview, which may have been smart tactics (let him get comfy, he'll tell on himself) or institutional complicity (don't attack the firm). in the event he DID tell on himself so…
― mark s, Sunday, 17 November 2019 14:21 (four years ago) link
The one time she doesnt interrupt every two seconds. Not that there was much to interrupt.
― anvil, Sunday, 17 November 2019 14:28 (four years ago) link
salute a fallen hero
Sky News confirms Prince Andrew's PR adviser Jason Stein resigned over the Duke's decision to agree to the interview with the BBC— Sky News Breaking (@SkyNewsBreak) November 17, 2019
― Simon H., Sunday, 17 November 2019 16:17 (four years ago) link
rip big man, heaven needed the brain behind the biggest boost to anti-monarchist sentiment in the UK in decades
― actor Robert de Niro disguised as an Uzbek homeopath (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 17 November 2019 16:19 (four years ago) link
― actor Robert de Niro disguised as an Uzbek homeopath (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 17 November 2019 11:57 (four hours ago) link
I know right? Wink to the audience from the writers
― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Sunday, 17 November 2019 16:22 (four years ago) link
wink and/or fuck you i guess
― actor Robert de Niro disguised as an Uzbek homeopath (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 17 November 2019 16:24 (four years ago) link
"Thin crust, sir?"
"No, upper actually".
― 'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Sunday, 17 November 2019 18:36 (four years ago) link
i think it's credible tbh, if he'd said Pizza *Hut* i'd've had doubts, obviously
― The Man Who Was Thirsty (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 17 November 2019 18:45 (four years ago) link
Imagine if the queen died now
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 17 November 2019 20:06 (four years ago) link
Every fucking day
― The Man Who Was Thirsty (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 17 November 2019 20:09 (four years ago) link
Royals are adorable, until their sixth birthday.
― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 17 November 2019 20:20 (four years ago) link
Should be drowned at birth tbf.
― 'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Sunday, 17 November 2019 21:08 (four years ago) link
that would be cruelthey should just be sterilised
― actor Robert de Niro disguised as an Uzbek homeopath (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 17 November 2019 21:09 (four years ago) link
― gyac, Sunday, 17 November 2019 21:11 (four years ago) link
Just sell them to the Americans, we'll be rid of them and the Yanks will be tickled pink.
― 'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Sunday, 17 November 2019 21:12 (four years ago) link
We only want the young and tender ones, not the ones you've spoiled.
― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 17 November 2019 21:20 (four years ago) link
Take it to the epstein thread oh hang on
― YouGov to see it (wins), Sunday, 17 November 2019 21:22 (four years ago) link
Tom D can you not confine this bugaboo of yours to a single thread
― Suggest Banshee (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 17 November 2019 21:40 (four years ago) link
why would Americans be tickled pink by owning any part of this silliness
― Suggest Banshee (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 17 November 2019 21:41 (four years ago) link
TMZ catches a rare nip slip from The Queen. Tune in at 9
― Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Sunday, 17 November 2019 21:57 (four years ago) link
nip slips more usually occur during the duke of edinburgh’s visits to the far east
― actor Robert de Niro disguised as an Uzbek homeopath (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 17 November 2019 22:11 (four years ago) link
I would like to see the queen take part in the wwe, like mae young.
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 17 November 2019 22:15 (four years ago) link
it's not been deeply covered in the uk -- standard-issue media-royalty omerta
This seems to be tottering a bit at the moment - the Sun has 'EXCLUSIVE You couldn’t make this one up! Prince Andrew attended church with the Queen this morning and told her his disastrous TV interview was “a great success”.'
Though the Daily Mail is still loyal: "Andrew: my regret over TV interview. EXCLUSIVE: After controversial grilling, prince tells friends of his sympathy for paedophile Epstein's victims"
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 18 November 2019 08:09 (four years ago) link
This time, he really messed up royally
― StanM, Monday, 18 November 2019 08:25 (four years ago) link
'i have nothing but sympathy for the victims of epstein, some of whom were also my victims' reveals brave andrew in exclusive new chat
― actor Robert de Niro disguised as an Uzbek homeopath (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 18 November 2019 09:19 (four years ago) link
Lol
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/17/meetings-rehearsals-and-approval-from-mum-newsnights-prince-andrew-coup
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 18 November 2019 09:32 (four years ago) link
Friends of Jason Stein, who worked as the prince’s press adviser for little more than a fortnight, confirmed that he told Andrew not to do the interview shortly before leaving his position by mutual consent last month.
look i'm not saying that jason 'jeffrey ep' stein was actually a deep state agent working to sacrifice the prince to keep other, more powerful figures in power, but i'm not not saying it either
― actor Robert de Niro disguised as an Uzbek homeopath (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 18 November 2019 10:38 (four years ago) link
― Simon H., Monday, 18 November 2019 10:40 (four years ago) link
missed this yesterday, huge congrats to everyone at the new york post
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJmePx6XUAA7qDZ?format=jpg&name=4096x4096
― actor Robert de Niro disguised as an Uzbek homeopath (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 18 November 2019 14:08 (four years ago) link
had this condition explained to me yesterday, apparently you can tamp down sweat in *very specific areas* with botox injections
i asked if entire-body botox injections wd work against yr health interests (like the lady painted all in gold in GOLDFINGER) but this sidetracked us into ranking the successful lies of fiction giant ian "i fib a lot" fleming
― mark s, Monday, 18 November 2019 14:42 (four years ago) link
being shot at in the falklands is, of course, the biggest botox injection of all
― actor Robert de Niro disguised as an Uzbek homeopath (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 18 November 2019 14:45 (four years ago) link
anyway the queen has hated PA since the fergie debacle and is totes happy to ditch relatives (= her uncle) who threaten to undermine the project, as seen in recent far left drama THE CROWN
― mark s, Monday, 18 November 2019 14:50 (four years ago) link
that fergie debacle in full
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD33ii01kXI
― actor Robert de Niro disguised as an Uzbek homeopath (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 18 November 2019 14:52 (four years ago) link
london bridge is down
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 18 November 2019 15:11 (four years ago) link
LuckyTV - Prince Andrew can't have sex. #DWDD pic.twitter.com/RckNng2vqx— DeWereldDraaitDoor (@dwdd) November 18, 2019
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 18 November 2019 19:05 (four years ago) link
Fergie famously had her debts paid off by a generous donation from...Jeffrey Epstein.
It definitely sounds like the palace had been briefing the press about PA’s innocence, the Giuffre photo being faked, etc, but presumably think that’s unsustainable and it’s better to cut him loose to some extent.
― Srinivasaraghavan VONCataraghavan (ShariVari), Monday, 18 November 2019 20:07 (four years ago) link
Stan(OT)M
― 'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Monday, 18 November 2019 21:16 (four years ago) link
Prince Andrew: KPMG ends sponsorship of royal's scheme
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 18 November 2019 22:42 (four years ago) link
― 'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Sunday, November 17, 2019 4:12 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
send them to us well make them into reality stars its a win win
― lag∞n, Monday, 18 November 2019 22:54 (four years ago) link
fwiw the royals are def popular here but like not that popular, like i am a compulsive news follower and i wasnt totally sure how prince andrew fit into the royal family, that he was charles younger brother was my guess but that was just based on deduction, i did just look it up on wikipedia tho
― lag∞n, Monday, 18 November 2019 22:58 (four years ago) link
The royals may not be that popular now, but they would be if they'd be sold to America, for sure.
A monarchy might've saved youse from Trump. Except then you'd have a monarchy. Catch 22.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 18 November 2019 23:01 (four years ago) link
yeah the royals go LA is def something worth looking into
― lag∞n, Monday, 18 November 2019 23:02 (four years ago) link
There's another one, Prince Edward - but he's even more anonymous than Andrew, I don't think he's been seen him in about 10 years, that's how it seems anyway.
― 'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Monday, 18 November 2019 23:02 (four years ago) link
but to be clear not as part of the government at all just for celebrity purposes
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/jeffrey-epstein-and-the-decadence-of-science
― mark s, Monday, 18 November 2019 23:04 (four years ago) link
guys uhh Princess Diana is alive and has been living in NY under an assumed name for 20+ years
― Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Monday, 18 November 2019 23:05 (four years ago) link
i seen her in chinatown at karaoke w tupac
― lag∞n, Monday, 18 November 2019 23:09 (four years ago) link
she likes to sing a particular Dave Matthews Band song
― Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Monday, 18 November 2019 23:10 (four years ago) link
All those headlines about Andrew's car crash interview must have made her wince.
― 'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Monday, 18 November 2019 23:16 (four years ago) link
lol!
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 18 November 2019 23:18 (four years ago) link
fwiw the royals are def popular here but like not that popular,
uh, network morning programmes in the US spent hours a day jizzing themselves fervently over a royal wedding last year, without ever considering the moderate centrist position that anyone voluntarily choosing to join an organisation that uses homeless ppl as slaves (and then has them physically removed from view before members of the org pass by) ought to have their head placed on a pike alongside their husband's
― insecurity bear (sic), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 00:02 (four years ago) link
theyre one group of nearly infinite celebrities the media here covers i mean there are ppl who are famous for posting to instagram who get as much burn
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 00:07 (four years ago) link
how many people in the country actually have an opportunity to watch the morning shows, though? that’s like, retirees, people staying home with kids, and people stuck in waiting roomsI’ve seen one once in the last two years and it was when I was waiting for the shuttle to work after dropping my car off for service
― mh, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 00:35 (four years ago) link
if someone is using a dvr to watch Today or w/e they are a sick deviant
― mh, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 00:36 (four years ago) link
Yeah it's called Today ffs if they wanted you to watch it at night they'd call it
― Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 00:37 (four years ago) link
morning tv is p fucked up
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 00:38 (four years ago) link
love when matt christman of podcast notoriety had to watch “the view” for a month after losing a betthe content is so shallow as to be ephemeral, so the royals... yeah, right up that alley
― mh, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 00:42 (four years ago) link
that was pretty funny i like when ppl write abt horrible things i wld never sit through myself
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 00:45 (four years ago) link
Every time I've encountered The View it's been shocking how loud it is, like their audio engineer is the same guy who remixed Raw Power the first time and just pushes every slider into the red the entire time.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 00:47 (four years ago) link
the fact they get treated as celebrities, instead of as suppurating parasites on the lives of millions of people around the world, suggests that the US would 100% embrace them as the leads of interlocking reality TV shows
(although a revival of their last one wld be my preference)
― insecurity bear (sic), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 01:07 (four years ago) link
yeah i think the only thing that cld stop it is theyre prob really boring
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 01:13 (four years ago) link
that last one in full
― insecurity bear (sic), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 01:19 (four years ago) link
I like the John Horgan piece mark s linked
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 01:53 (four years ago) link
Two federal workers who were on duty the night Jeffrey Epstein killed himself in a Manhattan jail were taken into custody early Tuesday on federal charges related to their alleged failure to check on him, according to a person with knowledge of the matter.
The two federal Bureau of Prisons employees were expected to be charged later in the morning and appear in United States District Court in Manhattan.
The charges would be the first to arise from a criminal inquiry into the death of Mr. Epstein, who hanged himself at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in Manhattan while awaiting trial on sex-trafficking charges.
The workers came under scrutiny shortly after Mr. Epstein’s death, because they were responsible for monitoring the high-security unit where Mr. Epstein, the disgraced financier who had previously been convicted of sex crimes, was being held.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 13:57 (four years ago) link
good morning!
― insecurity bear (sic), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 14:07 (four years ago) link
eventually the four guards guarding the two guards who were guarding epstein will "fail" and the two guards will die and then the four guards who let the two guards die will get charged and go to jail and then eight guards etc etc until we all find out the truth
― Simon H., Tuesday, 19 November 2019 18:50 (four years ago) link
we will be told that all the guards involved were "despondent"
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 18:54 (four years ago) link
we just need to know which one always lies and which one never does
― mark s, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 18:56 (four years ago) link
NEW: Surveillance video shows that besides the two officers charged today, no one entered the SHU -- where Epstein was housed -- at anytime during the night he died, the indictment says. https://t.co/nEFKcWBT5U— Tom Winter (@Tom_Winter) November 19, 2019
― Simon H., Tuesday, 19 November 2019 20:32 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_noilU08ro
― ☮ (peace, man), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 12:24 (four years ago) link
lies!
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 17:01 (four years ago) link
wasn't the camera broken?
― StanM, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 17:32 (four years ago) link
Prince Andrew stepping back from public duties 'for the foreseeable future'... so, er, that's alright then, nothing to see here, new chapter etc.
― 'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 18:05 (four years ago) link
he wont be waving near a ribbon
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 18:08 (four years ago) link
How will he cope?
― 'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 18:15 (four years ago) link
more time for pizza
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 18:16 (four years ago) link
What sort of "duties" did he even have? Tesco ribbon cuttings with an oversized sword?
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 19:39 (four years ago) link
Something to do with promoting UK business, i.e., getting to travel round the world, stay in nice hotels, get waited on hand and foot, sleep with 17 year old girls for free
― 'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 19:42 (four years ago) link
He's basically the BAE Systems sales rep for the Gulf monarchies.
― Srinivasaraghavan VONCataraghavan (ShariVari), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 19:59 (four years ago) link
"He has a wide and varied portfolio of work which includes a number of charitable trusts and awards which he has founded, such as The Prince Andrew Charitable Trust, which focuses on supporting young people"
― mark s, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 20:05 (four years ago) link
I woke up this morning with this in my head:
It might sound crazy what I'm bout to say(doo doo doo duh-doo-doo-doo-doo YEAH)Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself (doo doo doo duh-doo-doo-doo-doo YEAH)
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 20:08 (four years ago) link
Toby Young’s number in Jeffrey Epstein’s infamous Little Black Book. https://t.co/z4seyKkm5Q pic.twitter.com/fqVbz6Qmi6— Kranky Valli (@krankyvalli) November 21, 2019
― calzino, Thursday, 21 November 2019 20:15 (four years ago) link
every fucking time
― Simon H., Thursday, 21 November 2019 20:25 (four years ago) link
Seems like a good person to weirdly hand control of an entire school over to.
― Srinivasaraghavan VONCataraghavan (ShariVari), Thursday, 21 November 2019 22:19 (four years ago) link
jesus christ
― treeship., Thursday, 21 November 2019 23:38 (four years ago) link
this whole case needs to be pursued aggressively by reporters.
― treeship., Thursday, 21 November 2019 23:41 (four years ago) link
it's absurd that it fizzled after the guy's death. it was set up to be like, the biggest story of all time.
nah, epstein’s dead, it’s all over, nothing to see here folks
― actor Robert de Niro disguised as an Uzbek homeopath (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 21 November 2019 23:42 (four years ago) link
Not true guys, uk media have been like bloodhounds investigating whether the leader of the labour party said Epstein's name in an anti-semitic way
― Appleman Appears: 20/2/2020. Whose Cider You On? (Bananaman Begins), Friday, 22 November 2019 09:35 (four years ago) link
pic.twitter.com/KjaM5S0uyX— Rebecca (@rebeccarrrr) November 23, 2019
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 23 November 2019 22:09 (four years ago) link
come at the king, u best not miss
― actor Robert de Niro disguised as an Uzbek homeopath (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 23 November 2019 22:11 (four years ago) link
👑👑👑
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 23 November 2019 22:13 (four years ago) link
Awesome.
― 'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Saturday, 23 November 2019 22:13 (four years ago) link
so is that why everyone keeps saying fit for purpose on uk twitter
― j., Sunday, 24 November 2019 01:04 (four years ago) link
So, indirectly, Corbyn is responsible for Prince Andrew's downfall - good work there, Corbz.
― 'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Sunday, 24 November 2019 01:07 (four years ago) link
lol @ sue from leeds, extremely can i speak to your manager energy
― Appleman Appears: 20/2/2020. Whose Cider You On? (Bananaman Begins), Monday, 25 November 2019 09:35 (four years ago) link
The only time I've ever heard the phrase before is in this Nitzer Ebb track.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UkBMIylBmM
― ☮ (peace, man), Monday, 25 November 2019 13:02 (four years ago) link
It's used in UK politics all the time.
At the Home Office Reid hit the ground running.[6] He contended that rapid global change and the associated challenges of mass migration, terrorism and organised crime had overwhelmed the outdated Home Office approach.[57] Reid caused considerable controversy by attacking the leadership and management systems previously in place in the Home Office. He infamously declared it to be "not fit for purpose", adding the phrase to the British political lexicon,[58] and vowed to "make the public feel safe".[59]
― 'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Monday, 25 November 2019 15:15 (four years ago) link
it's a term of art in modern consumer law
― mark s, Monday, 25 November 2019 15:43 (four years ago) link
Thomas Bowers, identified as the former Deutsche Bank executive who signed off on controversial loans to President Donald Trump, died last week after apparently taking his own life at 55.
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/former-deutsche-bank-executive-who-oversaw-trumps-loans-dies-by-suicide/
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 23:39 (four years ago) link
"apparently"
― viborg, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 23:44 (four years ago) link
this panorama interview with virginia roberts is devastating
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 2 December 2019 21:32 (four years ago) link
our royal family is beyond reproach, tracer
― #FBPIRA (jim in vancouver), Monday, 2 December 2019 21:36 (four years ago) link
i’m amazed how casually they assumed they could get with it. barely any attempt to hide anything. the disdain for their victims is just incredible.
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 2 December 2019 22:07 (four years ago) link
no rpi
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 2 December 2019 22:10 (four years ago) link
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/29/the-weekly/jeffrey-epstein-secret-videos.html?searchResultPosition=1
^this is pretty damning for David Boies
not a lot of good guys out there
― Suggest Banshee (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 2 December 2019 23:04 (four years ago) link
We need Neil Breen on the case
https://youtu.be/mbYexc00n-g
― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 02:19 (four years ago) link
i don't get the hidden files thing. doesn' the fbi have the files? they raided his gigantic house on 79th street.
― treeship., Tuesday, 3 December 2019 02:27 (four years ago) link
weren't there early reports that there were dvds that said stuff like "public figure + girls." what happened to that?
which ilxors are fbi agents?
― treeship., Tuesday, 3 December 2019 02:28 (four years ago) link
esby
― Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 03:11 (four years ago) link
― Suggest Banshee (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 03:12 (four years ago) link
me duh
― Simon H., Tuesday, 3 December 2019 03:15 (four years ago) link
modestmickey
― 💠 (crüt), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 04:43 (four years ago) link
i got bootleg Stacey Orrico cds for ya, low price
― Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 04:44 (four years ago) link
love the idea of him having the most newsworthy videos in the world just lying around on discs marked "crimes"
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 04:47 (four years ago) link
strong boomer tech
“impunity” is the word i was looking for last night. thank you, sleep.
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 09:44 (four years ago) link
Weird coincidence
pic.twitter.com/xs9GgfaRLY— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) December 5, 2019
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 5 December 2019 03:54 (four years ago) link
that makes me Bonaparte
― master of nuggets (Neanderthal), Thursday, 5 December 2019 04:11 (four years ago) link
if the end note of this decade ends up being that Trump met Melania at an Epstein party, I’m going to give up and just drive off of a pier into the ocean
― mh, Thursday, 5 December 2019 04:21 (four years ago) link
I don’t understand why there isn’t a warrant for ghislaine maxwell.
― treeship., Thursday, 5 December 2019 05:55 (four years ago) link
mh you’d have to drive a long way to reach the pier
― Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Thursday, 5 December 2019 06:14 (four years ago) link
someone tell the Daily Mail about the invention of wigs
― insecurity bear (sic), Thursday, 5 December 2019 06:25 (four years ago) link
xp been considering getting out of town for new year's eve anyway!
― mh, Thursday, 5 December 2019 15:05 (four years ago) link
The duct-taped banana at Art Basel is gone and has been replaced with “Epstein Didn’t Kill Himself,” which security quickly covered up. 😂 pic.twitter.com/nPtnuCm6sc— Giancarlo Sopo (@GiancarloSopo) December 9, 2019
― lag∞n, Monday, 9 December 2019 03:34 (four years ago) link
This eugenicist venture is brought to you by, in part, Jeffrey Epstein who gave funding to George Church, who doesn’t regret taking it.Remember Epstein wanted to create a human race w/ DNA. Harvard has a deep history w/ advancing & defending eugenics. It continues, I see. https://t.co/tvvf0Tb3D3— Wagatwe Wanjuki 🇰🇪 🇧🇸 (@wagatwe) December 9, 2019
― ... (Eazy), Monday, 9 December 2019 06:46 (four years ago) link
dark shit
― lag∞n, Monday, 9 December 2019 07:20 (four years ago) link
three completely unknown people at Princess Beatrice's 18th birthday party: https://twitter.com/Cernovich/statuses/1203506274551230466
― StanM, Monday, 9 December 2019 12:26 (four years ago) link
Cernovich quoting the Sun on Twitter is a trifecta of 'further sources required'
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 9 December 2019 12:33 (four years ago) link
Breaking: MCC surveillance footage from outside of Jeffrey Epstein's cell after his first suicide attempt is missing. https://t.co/K8nfVjYlXI— Stephen Brown (@PPVSRB) December 18, 2019
― Simon H., Wednesday, 18 December 2019 23:31 (four years ago) link
I'm sure there's a good reason
― Bublé in the changer, I wish I was dead (Neanderthal), Thursday, 19 December 2019 00:18 (four years ago) link
like covering up his murder, or something sensible like that
― insecurity bear (sic), Thursday, 19 December 2019 00:35 (four years ago) link
Otm. Something playful like that
― Bublé in the changer, I wish I was dead (Neanderthal), Thursday, 19 December 2019 00:39 (four years ago) link
How is it only today that I see #EpsteinBarr as a hashtag?
― ... (Eazy), Saturday, 21 December 2019 22:20 (four years ago) link
omg
― Bublé in the changer, I wish I was dead (Neanderthal), Saturday, 21 December 2019 22:20 (four years ago) link
thinkyfaceemoji.png_An anonymous massage therapist who claims to have been sexually assaulted by Kevin Spacey has died, according to a notice filed in court by the actor's attorneys.The individual, suing as a "John Doe," filed claims in September 2018 with the allegation of being forced to grab the actor's genitals twice during a massage two years earlier at a private residence in Malibu. In May, a federal judge in California allowed the case to move forward despite Spacey's objection that the plaintiff's identity was being shielded.Now, just a month after the parties came to a plan for proceeding in the suit that detailed prospective discovery and envisioned a seven- to 11-day trial, the plaintiff's attorney has informed Spacey that the client "recently passed."_
Ari Behn, a Norwegian author and ex-husband of Princess Martha Louise who accused actor Kevin Spacey of groping him at a concert in 2007, has committed suicide. He was 47 https://t.co/u2MrfGxGqU— THR International (@THRGlobal) December 26, 2019
― brought a kiss to the knife fight (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 26 December 2019 11:30 (four years ago) link
jesus
― Simon H., Thursday, 26 December 2019 12:57 (four years ago) link
So that’s three people who have accused Spacey ending up dead, one right before he posts another creepy ass video called “killing them with kindness”
Yeah this is all perfectly reasonable.
― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Thursday, 26 December 2019 15:11 (four years ago) link
Just watched that video.
This is making me feel like I am losing my mind.
― treeship., Thursday, 26 December 2019 15:24 (four years ago) link
This is the third accuser to die, correct?
― treeship., Thursday, 26 December 2019 15:26 (four years ago) link
He says it's been a "pretty good year" where he "got his health back" and for 2020 he wants to cast his vote for "more good in this world."Addressing viewers, he says, "I know what you're thinking, Can he be serious? I'm dead serious."He continues, "The next time someone does something you don't like, you can go on the attack. But you can also hold your fire and do the unexpected. You can...kill them with kindness."The message (watch below) ends with a smile from Spacey and ominous music.
― brought a kiss to the knife fight (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 26 December 2019 15:31 (four years ago) link
THAT WE KNOW OF xp
this seems too bizarre to be real
― treeship., Thursday, 26 December 2019 15:44 (four years ago) link
the deaths might be a coincidence. but even so, him making these teasing videos implying that he is killing his accusers, is extremely... objectionable. idk what even is a word for it. monstrous?
― treeship., Thursday, 26 December 2019 15:45 (four years ago) link
look he’s just doing what he does and if it means mi5 killing his accusers to prevent him releasing extremely damaging information about the royal family’s involvement in an elite child-rape ring then that’s just a bonus
― brought a kiss to the knife fight (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 26 December 2019 15:52 (four years ago) link
the thing is
do we think that is happening
because
i am not
a person who usually believes in that kind of stuff
― treeship., Thursday, 26 December 2019 15:54 (four years ago) link
He probably believes he actually is Frank Underwood at this point
― looking for Mon in Alderaan places (Neanderthal), Thursday, 26 December 2019 15:57 (four years ago) link
fuck it treesh take my hand and let’s go full blackpill
― brought a kiss to the knife fight (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 26 December 2019 15:58 (four years ago) link
You might wind up in Eraserhead
― looking for Mon in Alderaan places (Neanderthal), Thursday, 26 December 2019 15:59 (four years ago) link
lol.
this is fucking insane.
i choose to believe these are coincidences and spacey is releasing these videos because he is a sadistic guy with a twisted sense of humor, who--as neanderthal says--probably overidentifies with his most famous character at this point.
― treeship., Thursday, 26 December 2019 16:00 (four years ago) link
eyes wide shut seems equally likely xp
― brought a kiss to the knife fight (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 26 December 2019 16:01 (four years ago) link
Didn't he release an in-character vid after the rumors first surfaced?
― looking for Mon in Alderaan places (Neanderthal), Thursday, 26 December 2019 16:01 (four years ago) link
yes, except he's actually his Seven character
― Simon H., Thursday, 26 December 2019 16:04 (four years ago) link
wait are you guys saying Kevin Spacey killed Epstein??
― Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Thursday, 26 December 2019 16:13 (four years ago) link
Kevin Spacey is saying that but I don’t believe him
― Baby yoda laid an egg (wins), Thursday, 26 December 2019 16:16 (four years ago) link
― treeship., Thursday, December 26, 2019 3:44 PM (forty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
Sums up the last few years pretty well
― Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Thursday, 26 December 2019 16:27 (four years ago) link
personally i think ive been in a coma since sometime in 2016
― lag∞n, Thursday, 26 December 2019 17:00 (four years ago) link
kevin spacey is a real-life supervillain
― brought a kiss to the knife fight (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 26 December 2019 17:51 (four years ago) link
Kelsey Grammer must be watching all of this with envy.
― ... (Eazy), Thursday, 26 December 2019 20:13 (four years ago) link
Kevin Spacey looks like a motherfucker who will brazenly arrange your murder to keep his dark secrets
― the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 26 December 2019 22:27 (four years ago) link
the guy who died had major struggles with depression and shit. i generally err towards believing most of the epstein conspiracy mongering but this seems a stretch
― global tetrahedron, Thursday, 26 December 2019 22:33 (four years ago) link
that’s what they WANT u to think
― brought a kiss to the knife fight (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 26 December 2019 22:37 (four years ago) link
or is it
― brought a kiss to the knife fight (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 26 December 2019 22:38 (four years ago) link
makes u think
oh COME ON https://t.co/2FaUkxckLB— Liz Franczak (@liz_franczak) December 27, 2019
― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Friday, 27 December 2019 23:34 (four years ago) link
My theory is that Kevin Spacey did not have three people murdered but wants people to think that he did lest any new accusers come out of the woodwork
― frogbs, Friday, 27 December 2019 23:38 (four years ago) link
Urgh
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Friday, 27 December 2019 23:46 (four years ago) link
I suspect being involved in a high profile case against someone famous would push one toward the edge
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Friday, 27 December 2019 23:49 (four years ago) link
The other way around, what would happen if a non celeb normalo made videos of this sort whilst under investigation?
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Friday, 27 December 2019 23:52 (four years ago) link
A “normalo” is what you call someone who isn’t a Juggalo
― Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Saturday, 28 December 2019 01:29 (four years ago) link
i thought it was a chocolate
― looking for Mon in Alderaan places (Neanderthal), Saturday, 28 December 2019 01:59 (four years ago) link
whatever spacey is up to its fucken psycho
― lag∞n, Saturday, 28 December 2019 04:05 (four years ago) link
Ghislaine Maxwell, the former girlfriend of pedophile billionaire Jeffrey Epstein, believes she can evade being prosecuted in connection with Epstein because she has “serious dirt” on powerful people https://t.co/PgxSxDsdn3— The Daily Beast (@thedailybeast) December 31, 2019
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 31 December 2019 18:28 (four years ago) link
but can she evade a heart attack gun
― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Tuesday, 31 December 2019 18:29 (four years ago) link
bernie managed it tbf
― hot nuts (small) (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 31 December 2019 18:31 (four years ago) link
are we doing a deadpool this year
― wasdnuos (abanana), Wednesday, 1 January 2020 23:03 (four years ago) link
new 60 Minutes report (warning: lots of Baden content)
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/did-jeffrey-epstein-kill-himself-60-minutes-investigates-2020-01-05/
― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Monday, 6 January 2020 18:01 (four years ago) link
can't believe I didn't add Ghisane Maxwell xpost
― the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 6 January 2020 20:37 (four years ago) link
― maura, Monday, 6 January 2020 20:39 (four years ago) link
JUST IN | Surveillance footage from outside Jeffrey Epstein’s cell during his suicide attempt was destroyed, prosecutors say.https://t.co/gsdM6eOnX6— New York Daily News (@NYDailyNews) January 9, 2020
― lag∞n, Thursday, 9 January 2020 17:37 (four years ago) link
cool!
― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Thursday, 9 January 2020 17:39 (four years ago) link
Move along, nothing to see here (now that the video is destroyed).
― An Oral History of Deez Nutz (PBKR), Thursday, 9 January 2020 18:46 (four years ago) link
pretty careless imo, let’s hope they do better in future
― 'Sly Cooper' Movie Breaking Into Theaters In 2016 (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 9 January 2020 18:47 (four years ago) link
remember all those childish rubes that were saying this looks like a conspiracy? how embarrassing
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 9 January 2020 20:17 (four years ago) link
This is that movie Frailty kinda
― papa stank (Neanderthal), Thursday, 9 January 2020 20:22 (four years ago) link
Sadie Dupuis of Speedy Ortiz stumbled upon some MIT folks who have thoughts about the Epstein matter. The whole thread is a wild ride.
for unclear reasons i’m still on some MIT mailing lists and i’m morbidly fascinated by people who believe it was *moral* to take money from epstein and, by extension, it would be “repugnant” to refuse nazi money lollllllllll pic.twitter.com/kRNOGnoGcC— speedy ortiz haunted presence? (@sad13) January 12, 2020
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 12 January 2020 18:33 (four years ago) link
utilitarianism: still incorrect
― Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Sunday, 12 January 2020 19:46 (four years ago) link
You'll eat your words after I go back in time and accept grants from baby Hitler until he's penniless
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Sunday, 12 January 2020 19:48 (four years ago) link
me, an intellectual: pretending theres a free lunch
― lag∞n, Sunday, 12 January 2020 20:57 (four years ago) link
i’m morbidly fascinated by people who believe it was *moral* to take money from epstein and, by extension, it would be “repugnant” to refuse nazi money
there's a school of thought that all money is dirty money, just as all money is fungible, therefore all money is equally amoral. that's different from saying accepting dirty money is *moral*, but the tweeter may not recognize this difference and may not be reporting the sentiments of those people accurately.
― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 12 January 2020 21:11 (four years ago) link
Accurately in what way? Like in context? She's copying and pasting their posts.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 12 January 2020 22:20 (four years ago) link
the idea is to think of how many more scurrilous pamphlets the nazis might have been able to publish had you not convinced them to divert money to purely scientific interests like the engineering of rocket guidance systems
― difficult listening hour, Sunday, 12 January 2020 23:03 (four years ago) link
Or eugenics, coincidentally one of Epstein's pet subjects as well.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 12 January 2020 23:25 (four years ago) link
BREAKING: Virgin Islands allege Jeffrey Epstein trafficked girls as young as 11 as recently as 2018 https://t.co/JJUq6KG0sS— julie k. brown (@jkbjournalist) January 15, 2020
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 23:09 (four years ago) link
jfc
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Thursday, 16 January 2020 02:20 (four years ago) link
On the one hand, I have no time at all for the "Jeremy Epstein didn't kill himself" nonsense. On the other.. "Prince Andrew faces losing armed guard after 'downgrade' following Jeffrey Epstein scandal"
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/prince-andrew-losing-armed-guard-jeffrey-epstein-downgrade-a4336021.html
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 16 January 2020 16:13 (four years ago) link
nice prince you got there, britain... be a shame if anything 'happened' to him
― que pasa picasso (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 16 January 2020 16:15 (four years ago) link
Prince Andrew faces losing armed guard after 'downgrade' following Jeffrey Epstein scandal
glad to see justice has finally been done
― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Thursday, 16 January 2020 16:24 (four years ago) link
Maybe he'll end up on Canada with the other ex-Prince.
― Frozen Mug (Tom D.), Thursday, 16 January 2020 16:47 (four years ago) link
as long as that’s all he ends up on, eh readers
― que pasa picasso (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 16 January 2020 16:48 (four years ago) link
Two birds with one stone type scenario.
― Frozen Mug (Tom D.), Thursday, 16 January 2020 16:52 (four years ago) link
welp
pic.twitter.com/EXUH0BP0ES— So Long, Gay Brian (@Spocks_Brian) January 21, 2020
― international sword swallower, producer and creative director (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 13:34 (four years ago) link
So we need to look into that hotdog thing again or what?
― ☮️ (peace, man), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 14:19 (four years ago) link
(joeks! please no one tell Edgar Maddison Welch)
― ☮️ (peace, man), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 14:20 (four years ago) link
i'll be honest, i'm starting to doubt hillary's effectiveness as a judge of character
― international sword swallower, producer and creative director (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 14:23 (four years ago) link
i want some answers guys
― treeship., Tuesday, 28 January 2020 01:13 (four years ago) link
pick C as it is generally a safe bet
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 01:14 (four years ago) link
are there good journalists who are still on this beat? it seems insane we won't get solid answers
― treeship., Tuesday, 28 January 2020 01:17 (four years ago) link
Tends to happen when people destroy the videos that would have said answers
― ... that's Traore! (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 01:19 (four years ago) link
We don’t know for sure what happened to Jimmy Hoffa either, Netflix Originals of note aside. These things happen.
― Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 01:19 (four years ago) link
https://snltranscripts.jt.org/86/86qheaven.phtml
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 01:21 (four years ago) link
Xpost maybe YOU don't know
― ... that's Traore! (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 01:31 (four years ago) link
whether he is murdered isn't even the question. i want to know if he was running a high level blackmail operation, and if that was where his money came from.
― treeship., Tuesday, 28 January 2020 01:34 (four years ago) link
A: yes
hth
― don't care didn't ask still clappin (sic), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 01:43 (four years ago) link
xxxxp The thought of a five hour Martin Scorsese Epstein film is horrifying
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 01:52 (four years ago) link
it's what it is
― ... that's Traore! (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 01:54 (four years ago) link
― chapoquidditch (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 06:39 (four years ago) link
The front page of most UK papers today is the report from the FBI that Prince Andrew has completely refused to co-operate with the investigation at all.
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 08:55 (four years ago) link
i would have thought that andrew, as a veteran female body inspector, would have jumped at the chance
― chapoquidditch (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 10:14 (four years ago) link
Despite his publicly offering in November and January to help with the Epstein investigation, New York prosecutors say Prince Andrew is absolutely refusing to communicate, and the attorney general is considering other options.
― Fantastic. Great move. Well done (sic), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 22:36 (four years ago) link
Bill Gates just stood down from the boards of Berkshire Hathaway and Microsoft, simultaneously.
― Fantastic. Great move. Well done (sic), Friday, 13 March 2020 22:44 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-c-ZOMyLs8
― Bstep, Sunday, 19 April 2020 18:34 (three years ago) link
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― No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Sunday, 19 April 2020 18:57 (three years ago) link
this whole situation still makes me sick to think about. leslie wexner remains the CEO of L Brands.
― treeship., Friday, 15 May 2020 22:32 (three years ago) link
sorry, he is staying on as the "emeritus" chairman. he still has all his money, his freedom, and is accepted in polite society and shouldn't be.
― treeship., Friday, 15 May 2020 22:36 (three years ago) link
my post two posts up looks weird now in isolation – it was an excerpt from the description of that dumb YouTube video Bstep had just posted.
― No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Friday, 15 May 2020 22:53 (three years ago) link
grain of salt, but:
Yoo #Anonymous just fucking released @realDonaldTrump being a fucking child molester.Source by @YourAnonCentral - https://t.co/TQGfP9krpZ— uhhhh (@lucfierdog) May 31, 2020
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Monday, 1 June 2020 04:28 (three years ago) link
massive fucking rock of salt, yes, however perhaps notable as it might be the point that 4chan decides that actually, fuck DT.
― Shampoo for my real friends (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 1 June 2020 06:23 (three years ago) link
Is there new information there? I thought the story had been circulating for a few years.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 1 June 2020 06:27 (three years ago) link
not sure, there's a load of scanned paper there which is far from convincing, I don't see it leading to anything by itself
― Shampoo for my real friends (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 1 June 2020 06:38 (three years ago) link
Yeah it could be nothing. I'm waiting for the obsessives to comb through it.
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Monday, 1 June 2020 06:43 (three years ago) link
Also unless that was filed under seal and Anonymous cleverly got around that somehow, it would have been a public document so not sure what they did that was special.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 1 June 2020 06:46 (three years ago) link
― french flaps, sparkly letters, all the bells and whistles (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 1 June 2020 06:50 (three years ago) link
yeah, should say "parts of 4chan" maybe, some of them are going to their graves following him
― Shampoo for my real friends (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 1 June 2020 07:01 (three years ago) link
Has anyone tried the Netflix series yet?
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Monday, 1 June 2020 07:58 (three years ago) link
I’ve read that lawsuit before - pretty sure it was already circulating during the initial days of the Epstein reporting. iirc they were part of a cache of documents that were unsealed at the request of the Miami Herald, NYT etc. There were reporters who tried to track the plaintiff down but either they couldn’t or she didn’t want to talk, I can’t remember which.
But yeah the allegations are horrible - anon posting it might hopefully renew some interest in the story.
― Roz, Monday, 1 June 2020 08:23 (three years ago) link
the netflix series is good, better than I'd been led to believe after reading a few 'meh' reviews of it.
― akm, Monday, 1 June 2020 13:59 (three years ago) link
it doesn't change my opinion that he probably killed himself and the prison was fucking lax with security out of negligence
I thought the series was pretty good. I was most interested in how they'd treat the people around Epstein: Trump, Clinton, Prince Andrew, Dershowitz. Very tough and specific with the latter two; not as much with the first two, including one victim saying she never saw Clinton do anything. But they do call out Clinton's lie about never having been on that island, and photos of him on a Foundation trip to Africa that feature one of the victims--16 at the time--look horrible.
― clemenza, Monday, 1 June 2020 14:07 (three years ago) link
I don't thin there's anything new in that document that was released; but what did happen to this case? was it dismissed?
― akm, Monday, 1 June 2020 14:11 (three years ago) link
oh right she dropped it https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-teen-rape-accuser-drops-suit
― akm, Monday, 1 June 2020 14:15 (three years ago) link
oh my god pic.twitter.com/p0HOIdOQIq— Stan The Golden Boy (@tristandross) June 8, 2020
― calzino, Tuesday, 9 June 2020 00:07 (three years ago) link
holy shit what a scoop
― Prosecutor Bradley Tankerton (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 9 June 2020 05:41 (three years ago) link
ghislaine maxwell arrestedshe’ll be dead within the month
― scampo, foggy and clegg (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 2 July 2020 13:36 (three years ago) link
Ghislaine Maxwell arrested, conspiracy theory engines worldwide starting to throb...
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/02/ghislaine-maxwell-arrest-jeffrey-epstein-charges-latest-fbi
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 2 July 2020 13:37 (three years ago) link
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, 2 July 2020 13:39 (three years ago) link
fbi vs cia
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 July 2020 13:41 (three years ago) link
Surprised she was still in the US.
― Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Thursday, 2 July 2020 13:43 (three years ago) link
chilling in manhattan lol
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 July 2020 13:48 (three years ago) link
prob rightly figured the fbi could find her anywhere
wow, honestly unexpected
― global tetrahedron, Thursday, 2 July 2020 13:54 (three years ago) link
This is good news. Hopefully the victims will get justice and the rest of us will have clarity about the complicity of elites like Bill Clinton and Prince Andrew.
― treeship., Thursday, 2 July 2020 14:56 (three years ago) link
lol, good one
― scampo, foggy and clegg (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 2 July 2020 14:58 (three years ago) link
I’m serious.
― treeship., Thursday, 2 July 2020 15:00 (three years ago) link
I would be stunned if any of that happened
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, 2 July 2020 15:00 (three years ago) link
i’ll be stunned if she lives to see august
― scampo, foggy and clegg (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 2 July 2020 15:01 (three years ago) link
https://spectator.us/bill-clinton-affair-ghislaine-maxwell-jeffrey-epstein-convenient-death/
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 2 July 2020 15:02 (three years ago) link
best "alibi" evr
Time for another pizza thread.
― Future England Captain (Tom D.), Thursday, 2 July 2020 15:04 (three years ago) link
Now we're talkin'.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 2 July 2020 15:05 (three years ago) link
They can’t do the suicide thing again. Too obvious.
― treeship., Thursday, 2 July 2020 15:14 (three years ago) link
unlike the first one
― mark s, Thursday, 2 July 2020 15:15 (three years ago) link
the obviousness is kinda the point
― scampo, foggy and clegg (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 2 July 2020 15:20 (three years ago) link
the FBI should own all the smug conspiracy theorists by publishing all the info they have, ensuring victims get compensation and ensuring ghislaine maxwell never walks free
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, 2 July 2020 15:21 (three years ago) link
one thing about this case that really fucks me up is that i voted for bill clinton's wife for president
― treeship., Thursday, 2 July 2020 15:38 (three years ago) link
like, i really do want to know what he was up to and what she knew about it. and the larger complicity of the democratic party, specifically, because they are the party i vote for.
― treeship., Thursday, 2 July 2020 15:39 (three years ago) link
They made you do it.
― Future England Captain (Tom D.), Thursday, 2 July 2020 15:41 (three years ago) link
kind of. i could have written in mordy.
― treeship., Thursday, 2 July 2020 15:46 (three years ago) link
No idea, but I wouldn't be surprised if the documentary hastened some action on this. Pretty much the first thing I thought after it ended was "Ghislaine Maxwell is still out there?"
― clemenza, Thursday, 2 July 2020 16:06 (three years ago) link
Would be pretty weird and gross if this ultimately had anything to do with that high profile SDNY firing days weeks years ago.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 2 July 2020 16:42 (three years ago) link
that's what people are speculating
― treeship., Thursday, 2 July 2020 16:52 (three years ago) link
Why the focus on the friendship with Clinton rather than The friendship with Trump? It’s disappointing if his “I never knew him” defence is working
― I am using your worlds, Thursday, 2 July 2020 16:57 (three years ago) link
there is a lot more evidence of his relationship with Clinton, he's repeatedly on the flight logs, visited epstein's ranch and island on many occasions, and they were described as close friends etc. etc. with trump the main Epstein link is the dropped lawsuit by a woman who alleges that she was raped by Epstein and Trump when she was 13 https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/3/13501364/trump-rape-13-year-old-lawsuit-katie-johnson-allegation
― Rik Waller-Bridge (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 2 July 2020 17:02 (three years ago) link
Both are important. Americans deserve to know the extent of both relationships as well as other unanswered questions. For one: what is Leslie Wexner’s involvement? Another: was the ring allowed to exist because it had some benefit to US intelligence?
― treeship., Thursday, 2 July 2020 17:03 (three years ago) link
In the absence of real information conspiracies like QAnon will continue to proliferate.
― treeship., Thursday, 2 July 2020 17:04 (three years ago) link
Real information + real accountability. Tired of the corruption and lies.
― treeship., Thursday, 2 July 2020 17:05 (three years ago) link
Very interesting insight from @eliehonig that Maxwell case is assigned to Public Corruption Unit. Suggests investigation touches public officials? https://t.co/btw42Lm1NC— Barb McQuade (@BarbMcQuade) July 2, 2020
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 2 July 2020 17:24 (three years ago) link
suggests public officials have been touching morelike
― scampo, foggy and clegg (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 2 July 2020 17:28 (three years ago) link
1997 new yorker profile of trump has ghislane 'bumming a ride' to mar-a-lago
― global tetrahedron, Thursday, 2 July 2020 18:18 (three years ago) link
suggests trump has been bumming oh nevermind
― scampo, foggy and clegg (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 2 July 2020 18:25 (three years ago) link
RIP Ghislaine, it's too bad you slipped on that wet floor and broke your neck in multiple places
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Thursday, 2 July 2020 18:29 (three years ago) link
I don’t know why I bookmarked this thread, there’s pretty much nothing on earth I care less about than Getting To The Bottom Of This
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Thursday, 2 July 2020 19:35 (three years ago) link
Or rather, justice for victims of rape and abuse is good, pepesilvia.jpg tho
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Thursday, 2 July 2020 19:36 (three years ago) link
New photograph also shows Ghislaine Maxwell sitting in the Throne Room at Buckingham Palace with Kevin Spacey 2/ pic.twitter.com/KhmBB6XTc9— Josie Ensor (@Josiensor) July 3, 2020
― lag∞n, Friday, 3 July 2020 20:58 (three years ago) link
So we're about to find out the he married Maxwell, aren't we?
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 19:06 (three years ago) link
You mean she'll pull spousal priveledge?
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 16 July 2020 04:13 (three years ago) link
I’m not sure what that would mean legally at this point, but maybe? I mean she suddenly has a mystery spouse that she has so far refused to identify... so it would seem about right for the latest twist.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 16 July 2020 05:02 (three years ago) link
Prince Andrew obv.
― The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Thursday, 16 July 2020 11:19 (three years ago) link
more likely to be her boyfriend scott borgerson innit
he's some kind of shipping magnate who, my lawyers have advised me to state, i'm absolutely certain not been involved in packing trafficked women into shipping containers and moving around the world
― scampo, foggy and clegg (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 16 July 2020 11:45 (three years ago) link
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/07/shooting-at-judge-esther-salass-nj-home-what-we-know.html?utm_source=fb&utm_medium=s1&utm_campaign=nym&fbclid=IwAR0rKvfcvgsl8mRj34jB7cnF26X6xLtVcbvjznJCz1oVC3PfPUvkxI17gkA
Relevant? I have no idea. Salas was overseeing an investigation into DB's dealings with Epstein according to the article.
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Monday, 20 July 2020 14:05 (three years ago) link
That is fucked-up.
― Mr. Snrub, Monday, 20 July 2020 14:31 (three years ago) link
I mean it's equally likely to be a racist thing - latina judge appointed by Obama
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Monday, 20 July 2020 14:38 (three years ago) link
But just, fucking hell
Dressed as a FedEx delivery guy? That's some spy shit that happens in the movies. I very much doubt this is a racist chud shooter. They haven't even caught the guy, and I'd be surprised if they do. On the other hand I thought Maxwell was at the bottom of the Atlantic, so what do I know...
― justice 4 CCR (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 20 July 2020 16:53 (three years ago) link
yeah the racist randos tend to get themselves at least arrested pretty fast
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Monday, 20 July 2020 16:55 (three years ago) link
Gunman has apparently shot himself.
― Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Monday, 20 July 2020 17:02 (three years ago) link
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/19/us/federal-judge-esther-salas-shooting-investigation/index.html
wow that's quite unfortunate for anyone hoping to get to the bottom of this
― justice 4 CCR (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 20 July 2020 17:04 (three years ago) link
Of course.
As much as I don't even want to put it out in the universe, I'm sometimes still surprised that the Miami Herald reporter that broke the story wide open hasn't faced many (obvious, anyway) consequences.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 20 July 2020 17:18 (three years ago) link
The gunman was profiled in Jezebel 12 years ago, and it's just...
https://jezebel.com/nyc-attorney-out-to-reclaim-his-ex-wife-from-feminisms-5038521
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 20 July 2020 19:15 (three years ago) link
What a fucking turd.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 20 July 2020 19:26 (three years ago) link
Also, connections to Russia raise massive red flags for the conspiracy minded.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 20 July 2020 19:28 (three years ago) link
that actually makes me less inclined to think it's shady conspiracy shit tbh
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Monday, 20 July 2020 19:31 (three years ago) link
not the russia part
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Monday, 20 July 2020 19:32 (three years ago) link
I just can't even with this whole story. "Men's rights attorney" gtfo.
― Orson Well Yeah (Dan Peterson), Monday, 20 July 2020 22:12 (three years ago) link
Good grief
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Monday, 20 July 2020 22:52 (three years ago) link
Yeah, he's the same guy that filed lawsuits against bars and clubs that have "Ladies Nights."
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Monday, 20 July 2020 22:55 (three years ago) link
Still the most incredible response to this.
This Epstein case is horrific and the young women deserve justice. It is quite likely that some of our faves are implicated but we must follow the facts and let the chips fall where they may - whether on Republicans or Democrats. #WeSaidEnough #MeToo https://t.co/2mvskwQwW1— Christine Pelosi (@sfpelosi) July 7, 2019
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Monday, 20 July 2020 23:05 (three years ago) link
She didn’t mention which of her faves had Epstein killed, unfortunately.
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Monday, 20 July 2020 23:07 (three years ago) link
"faves"
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Monday, 20 July 2020 23:30 (three years ago) link
Didn’t even throw in “problematic”
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Monday, 20 July 2020 23:40 (three years ago) link
be sure to like and subscribe for more deets on my faves
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 20 July 2020 23:40 (three years ago) link
This is very weird.
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/03/05/male-military-draft-elizabeth-kyle-labell-lawsuit-constitutional-selective-service/3066858002/
Den Hollander argued a case in front of Salas relating to gender discrimination in military draft laws, and was partly successful.
https://www.spectator.com.au/2020/07/who-killed-red-pill-lawyer-marc-angelucci-and-why/
Two weeks ago, Marc Angelluci, another right-wing ‘mens’ rights’ activist lawyer also involved in a case about overturning single-sex military draft laws was shot dead by someone pretending to be a delivery driver.
― Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Tuesday, 21 July 2020 07:11 (three years ago) link
what the hell
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Tuesday, 21 July 2020 07:22 (three years ago) link
Whoa. That Spectator link is a wild ride. I didn't see the "woke-free zone" header before I started reading.
Screeching feminists relentlessly whinge that men’s right’s activists are lazy, ineffectual and useless. Yet, Angelucci was such an effectual, productive, constructive and incredible activist for equality, someone decided his life needed to be ended.
Yet, Angelucci was such an effectual, productive, constructive and incredible activist for equality, someone decided his life needed to be ended.
― peace, man, Tuesday, 21 July 2020 11:00 (three years ago) link
"a wild ride" not the phrase I was looking for there. "bullshit and do not give it clicks" is more like it. Heres a link to CBS with the same information:
https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/07/20/mens-rights-attorney-marc-angelucci-killed-san-bernardino-new-jersey-shooting-judge-esther-salas/
― peace, man, Tuesday, 21 July 2020 11:02 (three years ago) link
Here’s my question. Who is answering the door for deliveries under lockdown? 100% of our stuff is dropped off contactless.
― sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Tuesday, 21 July 2020 14:37 (three years ago) link
https://media1.giphy.com/media/l0HlzYK0o7uPf6NfW/giphy.gif
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 21 July 2020 14:44 (three years ago) link
me! i mean i come to the main door bcz i live in a block of flats and they have already placed it on the ground (and sometimes photographed as proof of delivery)
this door is like two feet from the main street, if i don't take possession p quickly a passerby may well do so
― mark s, Tuesday, 21 July 2020 14:58 (three years ago) link
so if i am gunned down plz lknow i never flew to little st james or caused anyone else to be so flown
― mark s, Tuesday, 21 July 2020 14:59 (three years ago) link
JUST IN: Pres. Trump on Ghislaine Maxwell, longtime companion of infamous sex offender Jeffrey Epstein: "I just wish her well, frankly."Maxwell pleaded not guilty last week to federal sex trafficking charges. https://t.co/YEerOPitZL pic.twitter.com/uqsRKrMteY— ABC News (@ABC) July 21, 2020
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 21 July 2020 23:28 (three years ago) link
― sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Tuesday, July 21, 2020 7:37 AM (eight hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
they're still knocking my door they're just walking away by the time I answer it
― Temporary Erogenous Zone (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 21 July 2020 23:29 (three years ago) link
Same here. Some of them even insist on handing it to me in person, which is… not ideal, but I'd rather not be a dick about it.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 21 July 2020 23:31 (three years ago) link
― sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto)
I'm answering the door for every delivery
― Dan S, Tuesday, 21 July 2020 23:32 (three years ago) link
the one time amazon (I won a gift certificate at work) delivered something and didn't knock it got stolen lol
― Temporary Erogenous Zone (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 21 July 2020 23:33 (three years ago) link
by one of my neighbours
I don't mind the 3-second contact being handed a package by UPS
― Dan S, Tuesday, 21 July 2020 23:34 (three years ago) link
Up to five seconds is fine, there's even a rule that states as much iirc.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 21 July 2020 23:36 (three years ago) link
Wasnt there a Law and order ep where someone gunned down a lawyer/judge pretendig to be a FedEx guy?
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 21 July 2020 23:37 (three years ago) link
― pomenitul, Tuesday, July 21, 2020
― Dan S, Tuesday, 21 July 2020 23:42 (three years ago) link
*sick guitar riff*
MORE: The deposition of Virginia Guiffre that includes allegations against Alan Dershowitz have been ordered unsealed by a federal judge today.— julie k. brown (@jkbjournalist) July 23, 2020
― lag∞n, Thursday, 23 July 2020 16:58 (three years ago) link
I am sorry to share that "ghislaine maxwell, anti-trump girlboss" is in fact a narrative in some especially deranged corners of lib twitter
― the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Thursday, 30 July 2020 19:00 (three years ago) link
Do you hate follow obscure corners of lib Twitter?
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 30 July 2020 19:14 (three years ago) link
the knowledge was shared with me on a group chat and now it is killing me slowly
but let's not let this obscure the fact that we might actually get some substantive disclosures soon.....maybe
― the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Thursday, 30 July 2020 19:15 (three years ago) link
That would be nice, although I'm still expecting anyone in a position to reveal anything to suddenly drop dead.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 30 July 2020 19:22 (three years ago) link
🤢
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Friday, 31 July 2020 02:55 (three years ago) link
...dersh
― lag∞n, Friday, 31 July 2020 02:55 (three years ago) link
what's the latest?
― the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Friday, 31 July 2020 03:00 (three years ago) link
Whole lotta stuff in there including dirt on Dersh, Prince Andrew, Clinton, Marvin Minsky (!). General negligence and shady dealings by the FBI. But interestingly not seeing anything about Trump so far.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 31 July 2020 03:06 (three years ago) link
I kinda suspect he saw Epatein, who was known for being wealthy and charismatic, as competition and didn't like fighting for attention in that orbit. his vanity might have, uh, trumped his lechery.
― the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Friday, 31 July 2020 03:08 (three years ago) link
https://t.co/4mH2k3cwH5 pic.twitter.com/5MXXjHid4e— John Cook (@johnjcook) July 31, 2020
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Friday, 31 July 2020 03:09 (three years ago) link
Lots of people are going through these docs. This is a pretty good thread, but I'm sure there will be more.
The Ghislaine Maxwell (Epstein) documents have been unsealed.Will be posting excerpts here - Starting with allegations of minor being trafficked to Maxwell, Prince Andrew, and Alan Dershowitz (as prev. alleged).Thread. pic.twitter.com/jELX0qRDcc— Techno Fog (@Techno_Fog) July 31, 2020
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 31 July 2020 03:12 (three years ago) link
so far nothing major not already hinted at or reasonably speculated, I don't think
― the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Friday, 31 July 2020 03:14 (three years ago) link
WHOA. pic.twitter.com/EiWez0ddOc— Andrew Feinberg (@AndrewFeinberg) July 31, 2020
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 31 July 2020 03:16 (three years ago) link
I'll be glad if this means the demise of the dersh but...idk, man, he's like 80 and seems pretty unlikely to hit bottom before he croaks. and everyone already knows he's the fuckin worst. I hope a lot more heads will roll.
― the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Friday, 31 July 2020 12:35 (three years ago) link
he has not been tweeting
― lag∞n, Friday, 31 July 2020 13:31 (three years ago) link
Are the other co-conspirator women (Nadia Marcinkova, etc) also being investigated or does anyone know? (her story is fucking weird as is the 'aviation marketing' company she's ostensibly CEO of)
― akm, Friday, 31 July 2020 21:03 (three years ago) link
So no details about the mechanics or structure of the blackmail operation?
― treeship., Friday, 31 July 2020 21:14 (three years ago) link
What’s complicated about blackmail
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Friday, 31 July 2020 21:15 (three years ago) link
who was behind it, who was targeted, what the aim was — just investing in the phony hedge fund or something more — etc
I have questions, silby
― treeship., Friday, 31 July 2020 21:18 (three years ago) link
i think the only stuff that's in these documents is basically...the stuff everyone already basically knew
― akm, Friday, 31 July 2020 21:53 (three years ago) link
yup
― the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Friday, 31 July 2020 22:00 (three years ago) link
limited hang
Absolutely obscene opening paragraph. https://t.co/gCBFew7wec pic.twitter.com/GAdsC3D5he— Huw Lemmey (@huwlemmey) July 31, 2020
― let them microwave their rice (gyac), Friday, 31 July 2020 23:16 (three years ago) link
It’s funny how that’s the country’s least embarrassing newspaper
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Friday, 31 July 2020 23:28 (three years ago) link
guardians lawyers probably wouldnt let them print anything that wasnt already clearly stated in the court papers
― micah, Saturday, 1 August 2020 01:37 (three years ago) link
A post to advance my bookmark pointer, so this goes off the updated list.
― nickn, Thursday, 8 October 2020 02:40 (three years ago) link
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/10/i-called-everyone-in-jeffrey-epsteins-little-black-book/
― buzza, Saturday, 10 October 2020 19:05 (three years ago) link
the description of the science fiction novel at the end there is uhhhh
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Saturday, 10 October 2020 19:35 (three years ago) link
also I would not have wished this assignment on my worst enemy
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Saturday, 10 October 2020 19:36 (three years ago) link
Rolling my eyes at suggestion that he cloned himself and then had himself killed.
― Dan Worsley, Saturday, 10 October 2020 19:52 (three years ago) link
I am not going to roll my eyes at anyone who spent time in that orbit. Has to fuck you up.
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Saturday, 10 October 2020 19:54 (three years ago) link
Possibly the key paragraph in that whole article
The truth is that the elite world that Epstein ascended into, the one I tapped into by way of the black book, is populated with hordes of loathsome, boring, untalented people living their bumbling, idiotic lives while just so happening to wield some share of the preposterous global bounty that he and the rest were after. For all the mystery surrounding Epstein’s fortune, its existence is hardly more inscrutable than the wealth of any of his other billionaire peers. He earned it the same way they all did, which is to say precisely not at all.This wasn’t some masterful hack into the global aristocracy. It’s what everyone does. It’s what the whole thing is. There is no scam here. It’s grifters grifting grifters all the way down.
This wasn’t some masterful hack into the global aristocracy. It’s what everyone does. It’s what the whole thing is. There is no scam here. It’s grifters grifting grifters all the way down.
― Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 10 October 2020 23:22 (three years ago) link
the idea that the rich have at all earnt their wealth is attractive in the same way as conspiracy theorising - it fosters the illusion that the world somehow makes sense
― micah, Sunday, 11 October 2020 02:20 (three years ago) link
that article was pretty boring right up until it got really disturbing
― lukas, Sunday, 11 October 2020 02:22 (three years ago) link
pretty much, mostly it just made me feel bad for the writer
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Sunday, 11 October 2020 02:48 (three years ago) link
A deposition by Ghislaine Maxwell connected to a 2015 defamation case brought by Virginia Roberts Giuffre has been unsealed after Maxwell lost her appeal earlier this week to keep it sealed.— erica orden (@eorden) October 22, 2020
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 22 October 2020 13:00 (three years ago) link
For the first time in decades, Prince Andrew's armpits begin the moisten...
― Walter Draggedman (stevie), Thursday, 22 October 2020 13:33 (three years ago) link
some kind of Ghislaine Maxwell court report thing is being released next Tuesday?
― StanM, Friday, 15 January 2021 21:49 (three years ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/19/ghislaine-maxwell-court-proceeding-qanon
One commenter remarked, for example, “FREEE OUR CHILDREN NOW.” Another said: “PROTECT THE KIDS FROM THESE WEIRDOS”. There were also references to “National Popcorn Day”, which is a phrase widely used in QAnon circles.
So do these clowns think Trump is protecting the kiddies or that Epstein/Maxwell are a deepfake CGI invention or what? I suppose it's better not to know.
― up-the-arts corner (Matt #2), Tuesday, 19 January 2021 22:16 (three years ago) link
The actual truth about Jeffrey Epstein kind of helps explain why people are able to believe in things like QAnon, and at the same time raises the question why we need QAnon at all when reality presents us with Jeffrey Epstein?
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 20 January 2021 04:50 (three years ago) link
So do these clowns think Trump is protecting the kiddies or that Epstein/Maxwell are a deepfake CGI invention or what?
"Trump only flew on the plane once, then he felt bad vibes and dropped all contact, and now he's going to lock them all up"
Funnily enough "famous people hang out with a lot of famous people" isn't considered as airtight a defence when pictures of Hilary Clinton and Marina Abramovic appear.
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 20 January 2021 10:09 (three years ago) link
If this goes viral, I’m a 50 year old retired tech journalist who was in the middle of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell’s crime influence network and didn’t realize it til 2019. Now I’m sharing what I experienced and witnessed and have gathered from sources. Receipts always.— Xeni (@xeni) May 9, 2021
Bringing back the weird flex meme.
― Joe Bombin (milo z), Monday, 10 May 2021 03:02 (two years ago) link
“crime influence network”?
― Clara Lemlich stan account (silby), Monday, 10 May 2021 03:12 (two years ago) link
she's good at memes and research
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Monday, 10 May 2021 03:16 (two years ago) link
― intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Monday, 10 May 2021 03:31 (two years ago) link
in real epstein news
Melinda Gates met with divorce lawyers in 2019, say people familiar and documents reviewed by WSJ. One concern: her husband's dealings with Jeffrey Epstein. https://t.co/xHtQnMrjQY— The Wall Street Journal (@WSJ) May 9, 2021
― lag∞n, Monday, 10 May 2021 03:58 (two years ago) link
she's good at memes and research― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Sunday, May 9, 2021 11:16 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Sunday, May 9, 2021 11:16 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
Today I learned that's not Eddie Murphy.
― peace, man, Monday, 10 May 2021 10:53 (two years ago) link
I only learnt today that Xeni Jardin’s birth name is Jennifer Hamm.
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Monday, 10 May 2021 12:19 (two years ago) link
Listening to her expound on this in a podcast right now. I definitely haven't had a good impression of Xeni in general over the years, but she gets more into where she's coming from, pretty much right off the bat. I don't know if she gets into anything that people don't know about Epstein - I honestly haven't followed the story too deeply - but she does go on for a while about her proximity to like, John Brockman and MIT Media Lab, etc.
https://shopburb.com/blogs/lightculture/episode-27-xeni-jardin
― peace, man, Monday, 10 May 2021 12:48 (two years ago) link
imagine being so desperate for attention that you go ahead and implicate yourself in epstein shit
― here 1st (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 17:39 (two years ago) link
I only learnt today that Xeni Jardin’s birth name is Jennifer Hamm.― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Monday, May 10, 2021 1:19 PM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Monday, May 10, 2021 1:19 PM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink
― John Cooper of Christian rock band Skillet (map), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 17:43 (two years ago) link
she is... a bit of a ham
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 12 May 2021 17:49 (two years ago) link
Xeni Jardin got her new name from a fake indigenous shaman IIRC.
― Joe Bombin (milo z), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 18:52 (two years ago) link
She could write a book on getting grifted repeatedly for her entire life.
― Joe Bombin (milo z), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 18:53 (two years ago) link
she has been annoying as long as I can remember and is one of those people who has the fashion sensiblity of a batman villain.
― akm, Wednesday, 12 May 2021 22:21 (two years ago) link
pls don't make her sound cool
― intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Wednesday, 12 May 2021 22:24 (two years ago) link
WASHINGTON (AP) — Feds: Officers guarding Jeffrey Epstein when he killed himself admit falsifying records, cut deal that avoids jail time.— Zeke Miller (@ZekeJMiller) May 21, 2021
― Joe Bombin (milo z), Saturday, 22 May 2021 00:10 (two years ago) link
4:42 pacific on Friday, nice
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Saturday, 22 May 2021 00:15 (two years ago) link
case closed
― lag∞n, Saturday, 22 May 2021 00:31 (two years ago) link
they’re saying “we can do this and get away with it, and moreover, what are you going to do about it?” very cool stuff
― global tetrahedron, Saturday, 22 May 2021 00:44 (two years ago) link
Jesus
― treeship., Saturday, 22 May 2021 03:23 (two years ago) link
Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein are/were both gay. This is fact, not conjecture.— Xeni (@xeni) June 4, 2021
― Joe Bombin (milo z), Friday, 4 June 2021 15:28 (two years ago) link
thanks xeni
― intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Friday, 4 June 2021 15:30 (two years ago) link
glad I'm not the only one wondering what she is adding to this topic
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Friday, 4 June 2021 15:30 (two years ago) link
i am/was gay
― superdeep borehole (harbl), Friday, 4 June 2021 15:42 (two years ago) link
I will allow that trying to spin "I hung out with jeffrey epstein, a lot" into an eric garland style fantasist grift is at least novel
― intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Friday, 4 June 2021 15:44 (two years ago) link
happy pride month
― frogbs, Friday, 4 June 2021 15:45 (two years ago) link
i don't even know what this is. what's going on here?My sources are people who were close to them. But, real talk. 1) What straight man walks around Manhattan in monogrammed bathrobes and slippers 2) only a dyke who hates dresses could wear a good dress that badly, that many times. And I do love me some dykes, don’t get it twisted.
― superdeep borehole (harbl), Friday, 4 June 2021 15:46 (two years ago) link
did he walk around in a bathrobe outside? would that be gay?
― superdeep borehole (harbl), Friday, 4 June 2021 15:47 (two years ago) link
TDMI Twitter Derived Mental Illness
― Joe Bombin (milo z), Friday, 4 June 2021 15:47 (two years ago) link
fellas is it gay to wear a monogrammed bathrobe
― Joe Bombin (milo z), Friday, 4 June 2021 15:48 (two years ago) link
there isn't even an identifiable logic to it. some things are just 100% bait i guess.
― superdeep borehole (harbl), Friday, 4 June 2021 15:48 (two years ago) link
Hugh Hefner? also gay
― frogbs, Friday, 4 June 2021 15:56 (two years ago) link
I mean, it's getting xeni attention, that's for sure (at least judging by the reply guys hanging on every tweet)
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 4 June 2021 16:10 (two years ago) link
This is what Trump being banned from Twitter has wrought.
― Joe Bombin (milo z), Friday, 4 June 2021 16:15 (two years ago) link
some people just have the knack, gotta tip your cap and scroll on
― lag∞n, Friday, 4 June 2021 16:15 (two years ago) link
Xeni’s been online far, far too long.
― Clara Lemlich stan account (silby), Friday, 4 June 2021 16:26 (two years ago) link
I smell an idea for an apocalypse now reboot...
― intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Friday, 4 June 2021 16:28 (two years ago) link
well it wasn’t me
― The 💨 that shook the barlow (wins), Friday, 4 June 2021 16:37 (two years ago) link
curious way to kick off Pride Month
― akm, Friday, 4 June 2021 16:40 (two years ago) link
Maybe she just means happy?
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 4 June 2021 21:55 (two years ago) link
how is this real
Today, try giving someone a genuine and heartfelt compliment, or smile at a stranger. Just one #SAK a day, can help make this world a better place.— RealGhislaine (@RealGhislaine) June 30, 2021
― global tetrahedron, Wednesday, 30 June 2021 17:44 (two years ago) link
the hashtag means Sexual Assault Kokonspirator I presume
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 30 June 2021 17:49 (two years ago) link
Article is mostly paywalled, but interesting thread:
NEW: Who Murdered Billionaire Epstein pal Les Wexner's lawyer?Some questions about Epstein's activities in the 1990s may be answered by what an unsolved murder investigation reveals about Wexner's business before he met EpsteinFrom me & @WillBreddermanhttps://t.co/rkqxlahHMv— Wendy Siegelman (@WendySiegelman) July 17, 2021
― ... (Eazy), Saturday, 17 July 2021 15:39 (two years ago) link
Hmm, chickens coming home to roost.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/aug/09/virginia-giuffre-sues-prince-andrew-jeffrey-epstein
― Dan Worsley, Tuesday, 10 August 2021 08:25 (two years ago) link
there's also thishttps://www.axios.com/jeffrey-epstein-victims-fund-0bd1aff2-711f-4282-b635-08b0946ab608.html
― StanM, Tuesday, 10 August 2021 10:23 (two years ago) link
I'd fully support a crowdfunder to hire some thug mercenaries to kidnap him and bundle him over to the US courtroom, tie-wrapped to a wheelchair. But I don't suppose the grand old duke of York will be travelling outside the UK for a while, he was too para to travel to Spain last summer.
― calzino, Tuesday, 10 August 2021 10:36 (two years ago) link
as satisfying as it is to watch him squirm and get his comeuppance i do also feel he's the ceremonial sacrifice for the full cabal of these demons
― global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 10 August 2021 15:06 (two years ago) link
A really enjoyable ceremonial sacrifice tho
― crisp, Tuesday, 10 August 2021 18:14 (two years ago) link
Like we’d all think of it fondly for a long time to come
― crisp, Tuesday, 10 August 2021 18:15 (two years ago) link
Queen Elizabeth Scolds Prince Andrew For Having Sex With Minors Outside Of Royal Bloodline https://t.co/cJJhOW1ydE pic.twitter.com/vgWXOd5h3o— The Onion (@TheOnion) August 10, 2021
― frogbs, Tuesday, 10 August 2021 19:03 (two years ago) link
I feel like royalty feel as if theyre genuinely untouchable, is the other thing. Not just the UK royal family but the house of Saud, Euro royals, the lot. Its like theyre on another planet, and I guarantee the bulk of this filth bucket's contents is such people.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 11 August 2021 05:45 (two years ago) link
what is this stupid "but she's smiling on that photo with Andrew" argument that always comes up? it's only illegal when they cry? FFS
― StanM, Wednesday, 11 August 2021 06:06 (two years ago) link
“by no proceeding known to law can the Queen be made personally responsible for any act done by her; if (to give an absurd example) the Queen were herself to shoot the Premier through the head, no court in England could take cognizance of the act.”
A V Dicey explaining Lilibet's (and her great grandmother's) absolute immunity from criminal liability in England. That shit doesn't apply to the kids though. For example the paedo's sister was convicted of failing to control her dogs in Windsor Great Park when they bit two children.
― calzino, Wednesday, 11 August 2021 07:51 (two years ago) link
If only the Queen would loosen her corsets and do something absurd every now and again.
― Soundtracked by an ecojazz mixtape (Tom D.), Wednesday, 11 August 2021 07:54 (two years ago) link
Stoop Crone (Trayce) at 6:45 11 Aug 21I feel like royalty feel as if theyre genuinely untouchable, is the other thing. Not just the UK royal family but the house of Saud, Euro royals, the lot. Its like theyre on another planet, and I guarantee the bulk of this filth bucket's contents is such people
― A viking of frowns, (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 11 August 2021 07:58 (two years ago) link
agonizing. and why did bill gates have to 'raise money' anyway
WATCH: @JudyWoodruff asks Bill Gates about his meetings with Jeffrey Epstein a decade ago, after Epstein had already been convicted of sex crimes."Those meetings were a mistake," Gates says. "They didn't result in what he purported and I cut them off." pic.twitter.com/7gg9osnzpu— PBS NewsHour (@NewsHour) September 21, 2021
― global tetrahedron, Wednesday, 22 September 2021 13:07 (two years ago) link
not sure if the "hes dead... so you have to be careful" part came off like he intended
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 22 September 2021 15:57 (two years ago) link
Telegraph headline on the web this afternoon: "18 Days to Save Prince Andrew's Reputation"
Lads, I think that horse has gone
― look on my guacs, ye mighty, and dis pear (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 22 September 2021 16:35 (two years ago) link
What lol pic.twitter.com/KnWK4Fcpr8— Ken Klippenstein (@kenklippenstein) November 17, 2021
― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 18 November 2021 03:49 (two years ago) link
‘As a fresher I wandered into Balliol JCR one day and found a shiny glamazon with naughty eyes holding court astride a table, a high-heeled boot resting on my brother Boris’s thigh’
― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 18 November 2021 03:50 (two years ago) link
._.
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 18 November 2021 03:51 (two years ago) link
That's the British ruling class for you. She's supposedly the acceptable member of the Johnson family too.
― When Smeato Met Moaty (Tom D.), Thursday, 18 November 2021 08:40 (two years ago) link
acceptable = allegedly more morally upright than Boris because she voted Remain
― calzino, Thursday, 18 November 2021 08:45 (two years ago) link
Being more morally upright than Boris Johnson is about as low as a bar can get tbf.
― When Smeato Met Moaty (Tom D.), Thursday, 18 November 2021 08:53 (two years ago) link
Pretty sure Stanley voted remain also.
― Mark G, Thursday, 18 November 2021 09:09 (two years ago) link
yep he did vote + campaign for remain and then changed his mind when they lost!
― calzino, Thursday, 18 November 2021 09:15 (two years ago) link
Wonderful family.
― When Smeato Met Moaty (Tom D.), Thursday, 18 November 2021 09:25 (two years ago) link
― treeship., Thursday, 18 November 2021 10:39 (two years ago) link
That subheader is just unbelievably fucking funny tho
Imagining it drifting in on the breeze gently like a little jingle
― hiroyoshi tins in (Sgt. Biscuits), Thursday, 18 November 2021 10:43 (two years ago) link
The UK right's discovery of the efficacy of shitposting has been an unfortunate development
― imago, Thursday, 18 November 2021 10:51 (two years ago) link
https://metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/PRC_210903491.jpg?quality=90&strip=all
― When Smeato Met Moaty (Tom D.), Monday, 29 November 2021 11:17 (two years ago) link
strong softcore deviantart vibe there
― When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Monday, 29 November 2021 16:11 (two years ago) link
holy shit this courtroom sketch
imagine doing a court illustration of ghislaine maxwell while she stares directly at you and draws you right back pic.twitter.com/zGQBSkSbzl— ¬(abcdentminded) (@abcdentminded) December 2, 2021
― frogbs, Thursday, 2 December 2021 20:15 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YojNaEJf_1k0:50
― Goofy the Grifter (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 2 December 2021 20:17 (two years ago) link
https://64.media.tumblr.com/e02cb3d430354638ff24165787fc5b5f/tumblr_p5mm57nSoW1qzs7uio8_r1_540.gifv
― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 2 December 2021 20:25 (two years ago) link
ghislaine maxwell was one of the most popular reddit posters in the world lmfao perfect https://t.co/5WELAYzZFf— br◎seph (@on3ness) December 4, 2021
― Nedlene Grendel as Basenji Holmo (map), Saturday, 4 December 2021 20:26 (two years ago) link
This is pretty wild, but not 100% proven so far
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Saturday, 4 December 2021 20:30 (two years ago) link
It's a poster's world, we just live in it.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 4 December 2021 20:31 (two years ago) link
posted every day for ~eight years and stopped the day she was arrested + user name = sur name + childhood home, and bunch of other stuff
― lag∞n, Sunday, 5 December 2021 04:17 (two years ago) link
reddit’s shiny glamazon is a great claim to fame
― estela, Sunday, 5 December 2021 08:59 (two years ago) link
Why did the hard drives in Epstein's NY mansion have evidence already on them with the FBI arrived? pic.twitter.com/8IpGpWWw7Z— julie k. brown (@jkbjournalist) December 7, 2021
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 7 December 2021 03:09 (two years ago) link
like anyone, i have a roll of evidence tape i use for normal household applications
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 7 December 2021 03:17 (two years ago) link
girlboss moves:
Is this some kind of niche deviantART fantasy or is Ghislaine Maxwell really obsessively eyefucking a court sketch artist? pic.twitter.com/2GfwWHOW4q— The Man Who Shot Liberty Mutual (@Decervelage) December 7, 2021
― mark s, Tuesday, 7 December 2021 11:54 (two years ago) link
You had a drawing that captured Ghislaine Maxwell drawing you, which people were very struck by.
In the pretrials in that little courtroom, that’s when the sketching started. She sketched me a few times in a row. Then she started nodding at me and waving at me. She even spoke to me once. It’s really great for me. I’m not going to wreck it. I’m going to keep it going. I need to see her face. It’s like a photographer — they wait for that moment and say someone’s name and they turn to them. That’s the same thing.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/12/ghislaine-maxwell-trial-a-chat-with-the-sketch-artist.html
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 7 December 2021 12:33 (two years ago) link
excellent interview! thank you ilxor lag∞n
― mark s, Tuesday, 7 December 2021 13:15 (two years ago) link
choire is the best, wonderful to see him blog again
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 7 December 2021 15:23 (two years ago) link
Yeah, that was amazing
― Goofy the Grifter (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 December 2021 00:06 (two years ago) link
This is a hideous and serious court case but nonetheless it is the gift that keeps on giving...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/world-news/2021/12/08/TELEMMGLPICT000280099936_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqqdaxvPB-T9QzWYgMZuZl2IunOVt0NT5jTEE8gwx7KA0.jpeg
― When Smeato Met Moaty (Tom D.), Wednesday, 8 December 2021 10:09 (two years ago) link
“Do you see anyone in this courtroom who has ever given you a massage?” <== real quote
― Josefa, Friday, 10 December 2021 21:35 (two years ago) link
do i see anyone who has not?
― mark s, Friday, 10 December 2021 21:40 (two years ago) link
say what you want about the guy but he did really love massages
― lag∞n, Friday, 10 December 2021 21:41 (two years ago) link
doesnt seem like its going well for the government
I think I can count on one hand the new things we learned in the Ghislaine Maxwell trial, and now the prosecution has rested. https://t.co/DVIZW3jJod— choire (@Choire) December 10, 2021
― lag∞n, Friday, 10 December 2021 22:37 (two years ago) link
is this true? I've heard very little about the case since it started, not clear what's going on here
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Friday, 10 December 2021 22:47 (two years ago) link
i trust choire
― lag∞n, Friday, 10 December 2021 22:47 (two years ago) link
Those pictures of Epstein and his f'n plane makes me wish I was a Dr. Doom level supervillain as I would arm a bunch of 15 year old E-Sports wannabees with SAM and cruise missiles to just watch them competitively try to pick off billionaires private jets out of the sky for fun.
― earlnash, Saturday, 11 December 2021 06:35 (two years ago) link
I guess you could file that under powerball winning dreams.
― earlnash, Saturday, 11 December 2021 06:36 (two years ago) link
I guess this was inspired by tonights Dateline about that Nygard monster.
That one I had not even heard about...good lord humanity sucks.
― earlnash, Saturday, 11 December 2021 06:39 (two years ago) link
eh the prosecutions job is to prove the specific charges ghislaine is on trial for, not to lay out the whole epstein network, expose others who flew on the plane etc. they've slimmed down the case a lot, and certainly made a few mistakes, but seems like they've made a pretty strong case on the trafficking charge.
― devvvine, Saturday, 11 December 2021 08:59 (two years ago) link
Maxwell verdict about to be announced.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 29 December 2021 21:59 (two years ago) link
A jury has found Ghislaine Maxwell Count 1: GuiltyCount 2: Not GuiltyCount 3: GuiltyCount 4: GuiltyCount 5: GuiltyCount 6: Guilty— Adam Klasfeld (@KlasfeldReports) December 29, 2021
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 29 December 2021 22:07 (two years ago) link
oh well bitch
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 29 December 2021 22:10 (two years ago) link
There'll be no foot massages where she's going
― moog roog (Matt #2), Wednesday, 29 December 2021 22:16 (two years ago) link
more like ghislaine maxbad
― Clay, Wednesday, 29 December 2021 22:24 (two years ago) link
She might get one last neck massage.
― nickn, Wednesday, 29 December 2021 22:30 (two years ago) link
Might as well dob Andrew in now then
― Khafre's clown (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 29 December 2021 22:33 (two years ago) link
Only right she was there to see it:
Maxwell did not look at the jury as it filed in the court at 5 pm. As the verdict was read Maxwell struggled to stand, but said nothing.— julie k. brown (@jkbjournalist) December 29, 2021
Maxwell, 60, appeared shaken, she sipped a cup of water then slumped back in her chair. She did not shed a tear.— julie k. brown (@jkbjournalist) December 29, 2021
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 29 December 2021 22:41 (two years ago) link
B-b-but did her sketch buddy capture these moments in charcoal?
― Heatmiserlou (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 29 December 2021 22:59 (two years ago) link
Sorry, what?! @BBCNews now have Alan Dershowitz on to analyse #GhislaineMaxwell’s conviction, without any reference to his background;he’s simply introduced as “constitutional lawyer” as if he’s a neutral expert. Shocked. Utterly bizarre decision & does the audience a disservice. pic.twitter.com/l7qOqVsTTW— Caoilfhionn Gallagher QC (@caoilfhionnanna) December 29, 2021
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 29 December 2021 23:05 (two years ago) link
What the fuck is going on at the BBC.
― A Pile of Ants (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 29 December 2021 23:08 (two years ago) link
I'd have said "unbelievable" about 5-6 years ago but that type of shit is par for course with the bbc these days
― calzino, Wednesday, 29 December 2021 23:11 (two years ago) link
Ghislaine Maxwell as the guilty verdict in her sex abuse trial is read
https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/6626fd2277108531f7c7692363d7f061b3b96b69/0_454_3024_1814/master/3024.jpg?width=620&quality=45&auto=format&fit=max&dpr=2&s=fa04441c9ad367fe0f63bb2f49bc6eda
― moog roog (Matt #2), Wednesday, 29 December 2021 23:14 (two years ago) link
great that she was found guilty but uh what about all the co-conspirators are we just gonna let all that slide
― frogbs, Wednesday, 29 December 2021 23:17 (two years ago) link
I know this is mainly about the victims but I looovve it when one of the British establishment's own get's hard fucking time... Yes!
― calzino, Wednesday, 29 December 2021 23:24 (two years ago) link
Love is finishing each other's sentences pic.twitter.com/6GRa6gkcYI— Martyn McLaughlin (@MartynMcL) December 29, 2021
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 29 December 2021 23:25 (two years ago) link
🤔🤔🤔
NEW: A 2009 settlement agreement between Jeffrey Epstein and Virginia Giuffre, which bears directly on Giuffre's civil lawsuit accusing Prince Andrew of sexual abuse, will be made public early next week.— Cameron Walker (@CameronDLWalker) December 29, 2021
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 29 December 2021 23:37 (two years ago) link
pic.twitter.com/My8hBK71Up— 80s News Screens (@80snewsscreens) December 17, 2021
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 29 December 2021 23:47 (two years ago) link
Thank you, Matt #2.
― Heatmiserlou (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 30 December 2021 00:01 (two years ago) link
Of course they have to go thousands of miles away to get it, wouldn't happen here.
― I Can't See Gervais In My Mind (Tom D.), Thursday, 30 December 2021 00:03 (two years ago) link
My piece in The Spectator tomorrow about how there are good paedophiles and bad paedophiles
― calzino, Thursday, 30 December 2021 00:45 (two years ago) link
Couldn't have had the glorious Empire without the nonces
― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 30 December 2021 00:52 (two years ago) link
the noncing network on which the sun never sets
― calzino, Thursday, 30 December 2021 00:57 (two years ago) link
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2021/12/31/prince-andrews-accuser-asks-duke-submit-evidence-inability-sweat/
Prince Andrew's claims about being unable to sweat and going to Pizza Express is Woking seemed so bizarre and specific that I kind of assumed there must be *something* to them (not that they necessarily meant the fundamentals of the allegations were untrue, just that those two claims had some basis in fact)...but I guess maybe not?
― soref, Saturday, 1 January 2022 09:41 (two years ago) link
perhaps he could with some coaching on public lying from his newest "Knight of The Most Noble Order of the Garter" comrade Blair. Mind he'd probably just advise him to stick to the lie till the death which is what he seems to be doing. Wasn't his statement that he couldn't sweat at that particular time for some mysterious reason rather than this being a permanent medical anomaly?
― calzino, Saturday, 1 January 2022 11:37 (two years ago) link
https://image.shutterstock.com/image-illustration/illustration-depicting-sign-no-sweat-260nw-128216306.jpghttps://i.ytimg.com/vi/OuhTtHJM588/hqdefault.jpg
― do i really need this annexus quam album? (Matt #2), Saturday, 1 January 2022 12:14 (two years ago) link
You know he'll wriggle out of the whole thing one way or another anyway, as long as he maintains the lie he can pay off the complainants and skip off on his merry way, funded by his asset-stripping family to boot.
― do i really need this annexus quam album? (Matt #2), Saturday, 1 January 2022 12:15 (two years ago) link
as long as he maintains the lie
Not entirely, it seems:
BREAKING:Prince Andrew and Virginia Giuffre reach an out of court settlement. @LawCrimeNews pic.twitter.com/VA50cYf5io— Adam Klasfeld (@KlasfeldReports) February 15, 2022
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 15 February 2022 16:17 (two years ago) link
Let the healing begin!
― chip? (Matt #2), Tuesday, 15 February 2022 16:19 (two years ago) link
he fucking bought his way out? slime
― StanM, Tuesday, 15 February 2022 19:11 (two years ago) link
more like his cockroach mum did and she gets all her money from the ultra-enhanced part of the UK welfare state.
― calzino, Tuesday, 15 February 2022 19:15 (two years ago) link
nice of him to donate money to a woman he has in no way ever met or sweated on and who his 'friends' say photoshopped herself into a picture with him. lovely lovely gesture a real prince of a man.
― oscar bravo, Tuesday, 15 February 2022 20:59 (two years ago) link
A national embarrassment(Location: Dagenham) pic.twitter.com/55AmLwxhuf— Led By Donkeys (@ByDonkeys) February 14, 2022
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 16 February 2022 10:16 (two years ago) link
daily mail* is reporting that giuffre only needs to stay silent till after the jubilee -- which if true** means that 12m (plus 20m costs i believe) has bought him like what, six month's grace?
*(according to twitter) **(i mean it's the mail)
― mark s, Wednesday, 16 February 2022 10:43 (two years ago) link
He'll probably be assuming the old bag won't last much longer than the Jubilee.
― since dozzell was a fixture (Tom D.), Wednesday, 16 February 2022 10:54 (two years ago) link
fredo in godfather 2, safe until ma corleone dies
― mark s, Wednesday, 16 February 2022 10:58 (two years ago) link
What’s she going to say that isn’t already public?
― Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Wednesday, 16 February 2022 11:00 (two years ago) link
i don't know i was nowhere near the place when it happened guv
― mark s, Wednesday, 16 February 2022 11:43 (two years ago) link
Pizzagate UK pt. II
― chip? (Matt #2), Wednesday, 16 February 2022 11:44 (two years ago) link
(after Fabregas/Fergie I mean, the proper one)
― chip? (Matt #2), Wednesday, 16 February 2022 11:45 (two years ago) link
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/jean-luc-brunel-death-prison-epstein-b2018793.html
― StanM, Saturday, 19 February 2022 13:45 (two years ago) link
I loved his bass playing
― Johnny Mathis der Maler (Boring, Maryland), Saturday, 19 February 2022 17:10 (two years ago) link
not his railroad bridges?
― StanM, Saturday, 19 February 2022 17:37 (two years ago) link
20 yearshttps://edition.cnn.com/2022/06/28/us/ghislaine-maxwell-sentencing/index.html
― StanM, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 22:40 (one year ago) link
good!!!!
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 23:29 (one year ago) link
So now they're going after the names in the address book, right? Right?
― StanM, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 04:21 (one year ago) link
….wowVirginia Giuffre: “I now recognize I may have made a mistake in identifying Mr. Dershowitz.” https://t.co/Ag8AObR8Dy— erica orden (@eorden) November 9, 2022
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 9 November 2022 16:44 (one year ago) link
booo
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 9 November 2022 16:49 (one year ago) link
anyone who believes this means she was lying is a a rube
― here 1st (roxymuzak), Thursday, 10 November 2022 18:27 (one year ago) link
otm
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 10 November 2022 22:54 (one year ago) link
“This is the suggested language; will it work for you?”The former first lady of the Virgin Islands to Jeffrey Epstein, in discussing an update its sex offender monitoring laws in 2011, according to a scorching new court document. @LawCrimeNews https://t.co/tTxX1cl87d pic.twitter.com/PhTFEpqorL— Adam Klasfeld (@KlasfeldReports) June 15, 2023
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 15 June 2023 15:00 (nine months ago) link
1977, Des Plaines, Illinois: "Hope this letter finds you well Mr. Gacy, we were working on some tweaks to our laws around murder here in the great state of Illinois, wondering if you'd like to chime in with regards to our proposed language."
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 15 June 2023 15:11 (nine months ago) link
BREAKING: A federal judge in New York has ordered a vast unsealing of court documents in early 2024 that will make public the names of scores of Jeffrey Epstein's associates. https://t.co/fxSs5ssJ9R pic.twitter.com/5tl09oAkbT— ABC News (@ABC) December 19, 2023
― mojo dojo casas house (gyac), Tuesday, 19 December 2023 18:30 (three months ago) link
lets gooo
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 19 December 2023 18:32 (three months ago) link
Huh, I predict a spate of mysterious suicides in the next few months.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 19 December 2023 18:32 (three months ago) link
I predict this will result in widespread public embarrassment with nearly zero practical repercussions. btw, they are all wealthy.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 19 December 2023 18:36 (three months ago) link
Enthusiasm for the Trump campaign is only going to grow when his name shows up on the list
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Tuesday, 19 December 2023 18:39 (three months ago) link
👀 whoaLet’s goooooo otm
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Tuesday, 19 December 2023 18:41 (three months ago) link
otm lfg!!
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 19 December 2023 18:42 (three months ago) link
!
― The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 19 December 2023 18:42 (three months ago) link
its crazy that we still dont know how he made his money, one can put together a reasonable theory, but nonetheless we dont know
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 19 December 2023 18:45 (three months ago) link
finally time for this tweet to be relevant
― papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 19 December 2023 18:45 (three months ago) link
time to let the chips fall where they may
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 19 December 2023 18:46 (three months ago) link
In with the "lfg" chorus for sure, but the cynical part of me predicts that there are enough important names on that list that this decision is going to be appealed and overturned and the public will never see the full list.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 19 December 2023 18:47 (three months ago) link
give me crumbs give me something #lfg
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 19 December 2023 18:56 (three months ago) link
gimmie da list
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 19 December 2023 18:57 (three months ago) link
Release dat list
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Tuesday, 19 December 2023 18:59 (three months ago) link
My only commentary is that I feel sorry for all the people about to discover their their dad was an associate of Jeffrey Epstein. That’s bleak. Beyond that, open the door and let out the list
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Tuesday, 19 December 2023 19:01 (three months ago) link
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 19 December 2023 19:34 (three months ago) link
but my faves
― Expansion to Mackerel (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 19 December 2023 20:12 (three months ago) link
can you even imagine having politicians, captains of industry, and associated narcissistic gadflys as "favs"
― ꙮ (map), Tuesday, 19 December 2023 20:28 (three months ago) link
bad news, the documents just killed themselves
― StanM, Tuesday, 19 December 2023 21:12 (three months ago) link
- signed, Epstein's mother
― omar little, Tuesday, 19 December 2023 21:25 (three months ago) link
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 19 December 2023 21:31 (three months ago) link
oh no!
House Republican: Jeffrey Epstein flight logs not released because colleagues would be ‘compromised’
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/dec/23/reptim-burchett-jeffrey-epstein-flight-logs-not-re/
― StanM, Monday, 1 January 2024 11:10 (two months ago) link
wait... is this a very republican news site?
― StanM, Monday, 1 January 2024 11:11 (two months ago) link
it’s run by the moonies iirc
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Monday, 1 January 2024 11:17 (two months ago) link
I'm not convinced that showing up on this list will hurt republican politicians.
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, 1 January 2024 14:42 (two months ago) link
“I was going undercover.”
― papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 1 January 2024 18:01 (two months ago) link
the ones that don't turn up on it will be mocked by their peers for being impoverished out-of-the-loop schmucks
― emishi sun hack (Noodle Vague), Monday, 1 January 2024 18:06 (two months ago) link
oh well, at least Peter Mandelson is in the winners club
― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Monday, 1 January 2024 18:08 (two months ago) link
My mom said there are abundant rumors in Ohio that the gov (R) had been an associate. if voters buy the “I was going undercover” farce or any categorical denials, I’ll be shocked. Would love to see that old timey smug asshead go down.
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Monday, 1 January 2024 18:09 (two months ago) link
Oops sorry for dupe
Supposedly just being on the flight log isn't automatically incriminating (he would fly people to/from places as a favor) and the real shit is whether they went to the island.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 1 January 2024 18:17 (two months ago) link
I believe anyone who was in these records could ask to have their name redacted, right? which means I assume that anyone of note has done that.
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Monday, 1 January 2024 18:28 (two months ago) link
For someone who purports to be extremely righteous (aka aforementioned gov) it would be seen pretty badly to have “even” accepted favors from Jeffrey Epstein Gimme all those lists pls
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Monday, 1 January 2024 18:37 (two months ago) link
So is this list actually out now or is it just a bunch of pre-hype?
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 01:49 (two months ago) link
they gave me the list
― ꙮ (map), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 02:09 (two months ago) link
Is my name on it
― Expansion to Mackerel (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 02:13 (two months ago) link
i looked at the a-z list in the wall street journal and its weird to see woody allen and noam chomsky together like that but none of the tidbits seemed all that incriminating.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 2 January 2024 03:39 (two months ago) link
well, there was the one guy who gave epstein millions of dollars and that whole thing seemed fishy but who knows...
― scott seward, Tuesday, 2 January 2024 03:40 (two months ago) link
oh and also the part about possibly trying to blackmail bill gates...i didn't know about that one.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 2 January 2024 03:41 (two months ago) link
weird to see woody allen and noam chomsky together like that
lol wasn't Chomsky's defense "I watched a Woody Allen movie with the guy, big deal"?
― Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 2 January 2024 10:41 (two months ago) link
Was it Manhattan?
― Expansion to Mackerel (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 15:11 (two months ago) link
chomsky's defense to the WSJ a few weeks ago was extremely defensive, basically "it's none of your business" which doesn't reflect very well on him so I have no doubt that blowhard was up to shit
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 15:56 (two months ago) link
yeah i read that he was claiming he took a short 30 minute flight from NY to Boston (the length of the flight matters?!) with an artist (Woody Allen -- as if his artistry has anything to do with this situation?) For someone who has spent his life arguing, his arguments are extremely weak.
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 16:01 (two months ago) link
what can you in thirty minutes that you can't in five, I always ask
― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 16:02 (two months ago) link
using woody allen as your alibi for being involved in a pedo ring is, pretty dubious lol
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 January 2024 16:03 (two months ago) link
easy to see why epstein might be interested in consulting with the guy who literally wrote the book on manufacturing consent tbf
― come on barbo let’s go parpo (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 16:25 (two months ago) link
Clinton also a pro in that regard
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 16:33 (two months ago) link
xp
lool
― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 16:35 (two months ago) link
i think it was just pure starfucking, get a bunch of celebrities in a room, who cares is one of them is a critic of the ruling class if hes famous
then of course he had his core business the details of which i would really like to know, suspect most of these guys were not involved in that, but some were, obvs not every rich guy wants to be part of your pedo ring so you have to meet a lot of them to find the right ones
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 January 2024 16:38 (two months ago) link
the one thing that could be interesting and not just mortifying is if some of the associates in this list don't make any sense given the narrative that Epstein was just a money manager who had some side hustle of connecting influential people for charitable and political purposes
nothing in his bio makes sense unless it's pure "hey, this guy acts like my buddy so I'll help him out" junk up until he's actually controlling money and then is the extremely creepy guy doing the same buddy-buddy crap to hobnob with celebrity and influence. maybe that was it! who the hell knows
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 17:00 (two months ago) link
pedo stuff aside epstein was doing things normal rich and famous people things i think is part of what made it work, theres a bunch of vague influence brokers out there, like ftx invested hundreds of million in this fund that wasnt really a fund it was more a collection of celebrities, sam bankman fried was super stoked that they could get him in the room with katy perry and bill clinton
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/23/technology/sam-bankman-fried-celebrity-friends.html
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 January 2024 17:09 (two months ago) link
all these big name harvard and mit professors being bewildered by the fact that anyone cares that they were on epsteins jet speaks to the fact that theyre always being flown around to various vanity conferences and whatnot by rich guys who they dont know or really care about prob
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 January 2024 17:11 (two months ago) link
the only really on-the-record thing that's weird, other than a lot of innuendo (although still kind of just innuendo) involving all the really high-profile people who were tied to prior shady shit would be
In 2017 "a former senior White House official" reported that Alexander Acosta, the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Florida who had handled Epstein's criminal case in 2008, had stated to Trump transition interviewers, that "I was told Epstein 'belonged to intelligence' and to 'leave it alone'", and that Epstein was "above his pay grade".
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 17:11 (two months ago) link
xp yeah, exactly. I think he was mostly seen as a somewhat creepy influence peddler and wasn't doing blatant crimes unless he thought people in the room were also gross
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 17:12 (two months ago) link
the fact that he always had young women around him and had been convicted of sex crimes and no one cared is somewhat troubling
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 January 2024 17:14 (two months ago) link
Acosta was the dean of my university's law school ftr
― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 17:15 (two months ago) link
security footage of his last prison visitors luckily no longer "on the record"
ditto his hard drives
― mark s, Tuesday, 2 January 2024 17:15 (two months ago) link
Iirc Chomsky also claimed that he sought financial advice from Epstein. If he’s such an intellectual genius, why wouldn’t he use a less clownish more businesslike financial advisor? I get that they’re flown to vanity conferences by unknown entities and that they don’t care. To me there is no excuse for not knowing who you’re dealing with when you’re in a public facing role. Not caring is a sign of bad character. Therefore you cannot squeak away unscathed sir. The excuses are astonishing to me.
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 17:17 (two months ago) link
having heard from a friend who nearly got a job working for a small-time financial advisor and some other anecdotal evidence, I don't think that is a job that lends well to being businesslike and low drama
either you know what the market knows and you're just spending time to stay on top of things and make deals intelligently, or you're doing shady stuff. people with tons of money don't want to spend time delving into things and having a goofy guy who shmoozes you (again, gross) while ensuring money goes up is basically where the bar is set
it sounds like Epstein was actually pretty good at the finance bit, for all that entails
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 17:25 (two months ago) link
fwiw I'm plagiarizing some sentiments there from the If Books Could Kill podcast re: finance
I get that they’re flown to vanity conferences by unknown entities and that they don’t care. To me there is no excuse for not knowing who you’re dealing with when you’re in a public facing role. Not caring is a sign of bad character. Therefore you cannot squeak away unscathed sir. The excuses are astonishing to me.
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Tuesday, January 2, 2024 12:17 PM (twenty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
to be clear im of this opinion too, the whole situation is completely corrupt
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 January 2024 17:41 (two months ago) link
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, January 2, 2024 12:25 PM (sixteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
my understanding is that he wasnt actually doing finance, like he didnt have any finance people working for him, they havent been able to find anyone who did trades with him
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 January 2024 17:43 (two months ago) link
yeah this is the bit that made me think we're living in a simulation
― J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 17:44 (two months ago) link
i don't know if "they're not a paedophile they just enjoyed the company of paedophiles" would've been thought of as a great defence of character once upon a time
― emishi sun hack (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 17:53 (two months ago) link
Is this list actually out?
― mojo dojo casas house (gyac), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 17:54 (two months ago) link
that list in full:https://i.imgur.com/KJJOKTS.jpeg
― come on barbo let’s go parpo (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 17:57 (two months ago) link
I guess what I mean by “good at finance” is that people let him manage money and paid him to do so to be clearI concur re: LL’s sentiment, just don’t associate with gross people
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 18:48 (two months ago) link
im sayin theres no evidence he actually managed money, he mightve just been acting as the victorias secret guys very highly paid pimp, or blackmailing him or something in between
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 January 2024 18:52 (two months ago) link
Epstein arranged several meetings in 2015 and 2016 with the author and political activist, while he was a professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.
When asked about his relationship with Epstein, Chomsky replied in an email: “First response is that it is none of your business. Or anyone’s. Second is that I knew him and we met occasionally.”
In 2015, Epstein planned to fly with Chomsky and his wife to have dinner with them and movie director Woody Allen and his wife, Soon-Yi Previn, the documents show.
“If there was a flight, which I doubt, it would have been from Boston to New York, 30 minutes,” Chomsky said. “I’m unaware of the principle that requires that I inform you about an evening spent with a great artist.”
In response to questions from the Journal, Chomsky confirmed that he received a March 2018 transfer of roughly $270,000 from an Epstein-linked account. He said it was “restricted to rearrangement of my own funds, and did not involve one penny from Epstein.”
Chomsky explained that he asked Epstein for help with a “technical matter” that he said involved “a simple, quick, transfer of funds.”
― scott seward, Tuesday, 2 January 2024 19:14 (two months ago) link
that's the full WSJ thing that i read.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DT7pzJPybM“I’m unaware of the principle that requires that I inform you about an evening spent with a great artist.”
I didn't know Soon-Yi painted!
― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 19:16 (two months ago) link
lol not sure what happened there -- were Plant and Krauss on the plane too?
the bill gates thing:
In 2013, Epstein met a Russian woman Gates was having a consensual affair with and later paid for her to attend software-coding school, according to people familiar with the matter.
After Epstein had failed to persuade Gates to participate in a multibillion-dollar charitable fund that Epstein tried to establish with JPMorgan, Epstein asked Gates to reimburse him for the cost of the woman’s course, according to the people familiar with the matter.
The implication behind the message, according to people who have viewed it, was that Epstein could reveal the affair if Gates didn’t keep up an association between the two men. The spokeswoman for Gates said he didn’t make a payment.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 2 January 2024 19:17 (two months ago) link
this is some sort of netflix movie:
Terje Rød-LarsenEpstein made plans for the Norwegian diplomat to visit his private island in 2012. Rød-Larsen was scheduled to visit so frequently to Epstein’s townhouse—dozens of times from 2013 to 2017—that the staff knew to have cucumbers on hand for his gin, the documents show.
In 2013, Rød-Larsen wrote an email inviting a Polish model to Norway, which she used to obtain a visa to travel with Epstein to Norway. The model said she also accompanied an IPI team to Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan in 2014.
In October 2014, he was on the guest list when Epstein planned for Woody Allen to give lessons on film editing at Epstein’s townhouse to a group watching Alfred Hitchcock’s “Psycho,” the documents show.
Rød-Larsen said in a written statement that he met Epstein because of his philanthropic connections. “At no point did I suspect, let alone know, that Mr. Epstein was involved in criminal conduct, including the abhorrent crime of sex trafficking,” he said.
Rød-Larsen resigned in 2020 as president of the International Peace Institute after a Norwegian newspaper reported he visited the townhouse frequently, had received a $130,000 personal loan from Epstein, and had accepted about $650,000 in donations from Epstein foundations for the nonprofit.
The IPI, which said it was unaware of the Epstein donations and the loan, said that it has new leadership and that it finds the revelations in the Journal’s reporting to be “utterly shocking and shameful.”
― scott seward, Tuesday, 2 January 2024 19:20 (two months ago) link
and just so the old school conspiracy buffs don't go home empty-handed:
Ariane de Rothschild
A member of the famous banking family had more than a dozen meetings with Epstein. He sought her advice with staffing and furnishings as well as discussed business deals with her, according to the documents.
De Rothschild, CEO of the Swiss private bank Edmond de Rothschild Group, negotiated a $25 million contract with Epstein in 2015 for one of Epstein’s companies to provide risk analysis and other services to the bank, the documents show.
In 2019, after Epstein was arrested, the bank denied that de Rothschild met with Epstein and said it had no business links with him.
The bank acknowledged to the Journal that its earlier statement wasn’t accurate. It said de Rothschild met with Epstein as part of her normal duties at the bank between 2013 and 2019, and Epstein introduced the bank to U.S. finance leaders, recommended law firms and provided tax and risk consulting.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 2 January 2024 19:27 (two months ago) link
ah nice
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 January 2024 19:28 (two months ago) link
the number one piece of financial advice you can give is "figure out how to not pay taxes"
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 19:34 (two months ago) link
because your wealth is way more important than the society you live in. you can always buy into a gated community. social breakdown problem solved!
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 19:44 (two months ago) link
I’m unaware of the principle that requires that I inform you about an evening spent with a great artist.
https://www.supportkevinspacey.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/ksold2.jpg
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 23:07 (two months ago) link
i'm surprised there hasn't been a film or docudrama on epstein yet.
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Wednesday, 3 January 2024 01:14 (two months ago) link
I forgot Xeni Jardin somehow cropped up upthread
― G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Wednesday, 3 January 2024 01:30 (two months ago) link
From the Where are they now? file.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 3 January 2024 01:41 (two months ago) link
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm)
There is an Epstein doc (and a Ghislaine Maxwell doc) on Netflix.
― nickn, Wednesday, 3 January 2024 01:46 (two months ago) link
xxp someone we probably shouldn’t investigate further imo
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Wednesday, 3 January 2024 02:24 (two months ago) link
yeah the doc is good but I was thinking docudrama or film. Have to assume one is coming at some point but maybe not for a while.
ugh I forgot she existed
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Wednesday, 3 January 2024 02:28 (two months ago) link
I watched both the Netflix docs (there may be 3?) and they were mostly centering the survivors, which was good. The one that stuck w me was the one where Virginia Giuffre was interviewed extensively. I didn’t learn much about his business practices or his associates tho — which is good, he can rot — but I’m still waiting for a reckoning for his associates.
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Wednesday, 3 January 2024 02:34 (two months ago) link
Friend told me CNN reported that names might begin leaking as early as this afternoon??!!
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Wednesday, 3 January 2024 20:11 (two months ago) link
lets have the names shall we
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 3 January 2024 20:12 (two months ago) link
Ready to see which of my faves went to sicko island
― omar little, Wednesday, 3 January 2024 20:18 (two months ago) link
who wants popcorn
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 3 January 2024 20:33 (two months ago) link
From what I've read, these are mostly already known names, aren't they? Is anyone expecting any surprises?
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 3 January 2024 21:03 (two months ago) link
there are 200 names that haven't been released -- how could there not be surprises?
i am still in "apology analysis" phase. This person offers a particularly weak example:
“If I had known who (Epstein) really was, there is absolutely no doubt that I wouldn’t be in the position I am in today,” Staley said in a statement shared with CNN at the time.
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Wednesday, 3 January 2024 21:13 (two months ago) link
I think boygenius is going to top the list.
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Wednesday, 3 January 2024 21:14 (two months ago) link
They should announce it like the NFL draft.
― The Artist formerly known as Earlnash, Wednesday, 3 January 2024 21:19 (two months ago) link
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 3 January 2024 21:27 (two months ago) link
They should do a montage on the next Academy Awards show with the Hollywood people, like the In Memoriam segment.
― nickn, Wednesday, 3 January 2024 21:30 (two months ago) link
anti vaxxers trying to get in on the action
Dear Aasshole: for the record, I’ve not met, flown with, visited, or had any contact whatsoever with Epstein, nor will you find my name on any “list” other than the clearly-phony nonsense that soft-brained wackos like yourself can’t seem to distinguish from reality. Your reckless… https://t.co/p8eug12uiS— Jimmy Kimmel (@jimmykimmel) January 2, 2024
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 3 January 2024 21:32 (two months ago) link
This from the Guardian is what I've also seen elsewhere about the names: Many on the list will already be publicly known as associates, employees of Epstein and Maxwell, or people who had flown on his planes.
So I don't think this is quite the bonanza some people are hoping for. But I guess we'll see!
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 3 January 2024 21:33 (two months ago) link
2-3 big names is enough for a media/twitter frenzy
― the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Wednesday, 3 January 2024 23:15 (two months ago) link
Fred RogersMark E Smith Mr. Blobby
― Expansion to Mackerel (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 3 January 2024 23:19 (two months ago) link
Meryl StreepWilliam Howard TaftJake Gyllenhaal
― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 January 2024 23:30 (two months ago) link
someone should arrange the names in haiku form
― ꙮ (map), Wednesday, 3 January 2024 23:32 (two months ago) link
dayrl halljohn oateschelsea clinton
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 3 January 2024 23:32 (two months ago) link
What else have I got to sayWe didn't etc.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 3 January 2024 23:54 (two months ago) link
Leonid Brezhnev Lenny BruceLester Bangs
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Thursday, 4 January 2024 00:00 (two months ago) link
L Ron Hubbard, for sure... he likes yachts and the underaged
― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 4 January 2024 00:04 (two months ago) link
Danny BonaduceRed ButtonsMarcia Wallace oh wait no that’s an old “this week on the Love Boat” list
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 4 January 2024 00:35 (two months ago) link
Bill BrewerJan StewerPeter GurneyPeter DavyDan'l WhiddonHarry HawkeOld Uncle Tom Cobley and all
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 4 January 2024 00:38 (two months ago) link
Fred Biletnikoff, Brandon Tartikoff, Sid and Marty Krofft!Fred Gwynne and Anthony Quinn and Rin Tin Tin and Pearl BaileyAnd Moms Mabley and Mayor Daley and Hank and Phoebe Snow!Ethel Merman and Pee Wee Herman and Strom Thurmond and Vince Lombardi and George and Jesus Jones.Edith Head and Mister Ed and Nostradamus and Danny Thomas and Leona and Sherman Hemsley!
― Expansion to Mackerel (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 4 January 2024 01:27 (two months ago) link
Fall Out Boy itt furiously taking down notes
― ( X '____' )/ (zappi), Thursday, 4 January 2024 01:30 (two months ago) link
If anyone is interested, the full doc is available here:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jan/03/jeffrey-epstein-documents-list-pdf
― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 4 January 2024 01:39 (two months ago) link
they should make a musical about jeffrey epstein.
― treeship., Thursday, 4 January 2024 02:08 (two months ago) link
No — tbh i don’t find him funny whatsoever.
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Thursday, 4 January 2024 02:17 (two months ago) link
there’s nothing much in there that wasn’t already released, afaict
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Thursday, 4 January 2024 02:24 (two months ago) link
not to be all i aint reading all that but THE LIST just gimme THE LIST
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 4 January 2024 02:28 (two months ago) link
it’s the same list as before but they removed the redactions on a former president and a member of the uk royal family
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Thursday, 4 January 2024 02:40 (two months ago) link
Are there any unexpected names?
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Thursday, 4 January 2024 02:40 (two months ago) link
this is only part of the documents so more to come
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Thursday, 4 January 2024 02:42 (two months ago) link
Even without a lot of bombshells, just going over all of this stuff in more detail is good because it's all so gross and terrible and they deserve to be shamed.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 4 January 2024 03:00 (two months ago) link
hate to say it but maybe you do gotta hand it to him sometimes
Elon Musk free Ben Garrison's account pic.twitter.com/UmZsiPV0Zi— Aleph (@woke8yearold) January 3, 2024
― frogbs, Thursday, 4 January 2024 03:56 (two months ago) link
wasting no time with the new public domain characters
― jaymc, Thursday, 4 January 2024 04:17 (two months ago) link
David Copperfield and Michael Jackson were new-ish ones.
― underwater as a compliment (Eazy), Thursday, 4 January 2024 06:20 (two months ago) link
Last night I rewatched the first ep of JE:Filthy Rich on Netflix (after work lol) and I’d recommend a watch if you haven’t seen it or if you’re feeling cynical — this guy was a complete and total piece of shit. What he/they did to the girls of Florida alone warrants abundant disgust. Just to remind why we’re here.
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Thursday, 4 January 2024 14:13 (two months ago) link
Is the Ghislane one on Netflix worth watching? I watched the Epstein one and figured she was covered well enough.
― nickn, Thursday, 4 January 2024 17:28 (two months ago) link
She was his #1 enabler and a sicko in her own right for having been involved with him so intimately for so long (as always, imo). To understand the full dynamic it helps to know something about her and where she came from and what she did. I don’t believe he would have gotten his daily dose without her. If you can stand it, “watch one ep then decide whether or not to continue” is my advice. Re: the document I read a little bit of her testimony and I had to stop. She snapped at the questioning lawyer and it reminded me of the Kavanaugh/Klobuchar exchange during his confirmation hearings. You could see a person who was cornered and desperate and willing to lash out at anyone to remain out of trouble. And now iirc she’s in prison so ha ha. No comment on him. This convo isn’t about that! Also her email at the very beginning was clearly written in a state of panic unless that’s “just her writing style” (careless, sloppy, extremely defensive)
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Thursday, 4 January 2024 17:48 (two months ago) link
wish the full ep of this was streaming, unless this is the whole segment. the tone is disgusting enough but about 100x worse now given what we know
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTc0FLHCFUM
― global tetrahedron, Thursday, 4 January 2024 17:52 (two months ago) link
"i'm just wondering, now, what do you need a commercial size airliner for?"
god damn
― global tetrahedron, Thursday, 4 January 2024 17:53 (two months ago) link
the full clip must be somewhere - but the first links to be found are all blocked - Video unavailable / This video contains content from Paramount Global (PMN), who has blocked it on copyright grounds
― StanM, Thursday, 4 January 2024 18:37 (two months ago) link
this seems to be the full 2 minute segmenthttps://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/reality-tv/bizarre-jeffrey-epstein-tv-clip-resurfaces-online/news-story/0af74b89aa43fb72c7c943b92484bffb
― StanM, Thursday, 4 January 2024 18:39 (two months ago) link
So did it come out
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 4 January 2024 22:23 (two months ago) link
Came out. Saw its shadow.
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Thursday, 4 January 2024 23:48 (two months ago) link
new docs have been released
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Thursday, 4 January 2024 23:50 (two months ago) link