I got an audio rip of this and I have not laughed this hard at a comedy record in my entire life.
― nate detritus (natedetritus), Monday, 19 January 2004 23:29 (twenty years ago) link
― teeny (teeny), Monday, 19 January 2004 23:40 (twenty years ago) link
1) Pryor invented the take-the-word back style of angry black comedy, and grew enough to change in his old age and phase 'nigger' out of his routine (as detaled brilliantly in it).
2) Murphy made the ghetto his subject matter and perhaps the "black guys walk like this, white guys walk like this" stuff too. He became a parody of himself, as we see now.
3) Chris Rock has made a living on Black People v. Niggers to more or less great effect -- rather than white v. black, it became black v. black.
4) And then there's Dave Chappelle, who's material seems totally boderline -- it's as if he were a white southern racist in a black man's body. He's just MEAN... and funny, natch. But he seems to be a major departure from the form, or the lineage that one might expect from what came before.
― ModJ (ModJ), Monday, 19 January 2004 23:47 (twenty years ago) link
― andrew m. (andrewmorgan), Monday, 19 January 2004 23:52 (twenty years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 19 January 2004 23:57 (twenty years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 19 January 2004 23:58 (twenty years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 00:03 (twenty years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 00:06 (twenty years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 00:11 (twenty years ago) link
"A black man would never talk to the police [while] high. That's just a waste of weed."
― Aaron A., Tuesday, 20 January 2004 01:12 (twenty years ago) link
I SAID "BABY, WHAT THE FUCK YOU DOING OUT AT 1AM?"THE BABY SAID "FUCK YOU NIGGA, I'M SELLING WEED"
his show is super-great too. the occasional bum sketch, but most of them are great. and really MEAN too, he's such a dick! but that's tied into the whole 'great' thing too
― Adrian (Adrian Langston), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 01:31 (twenty years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 02:04 (twenty years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 02:53 (twenty years ago) link
― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 02:54 (twenty years ago) link
― Kerry (dymaxia), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 02:58 (twenty years ago) link
― Adrian (Adrian Langston), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 03:05 (twenty years ago) link
― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 03:21 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan I., Tuesday, 20 January 2004 03:24 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan I. (Dan I.), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 03:26 (twenty years ago) link
― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 03:50 (twenty years ago) link
― Jay Vee (Manon_70), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 04:10 (twenty years ago) link
― Jay Vee (Manon_70), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 04:11 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 04:12 (twenty years ago) link
― earlnash, Tuesday, 20 January 2004 04:29 (twenty years ago) link
No, it was a jet ski! With Dave's girlfriend!
Funniest not-really-a-line from the Chappelle Show: his imitation of Pac-Man.
― nate detritus (natedetritus), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 05:18 (twenty years ago) link
― nate detritus (natedetritus), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 05:35 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan I. (Dan I.), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 06:03 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan I. (Dan I.), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 06:04 (twenty years ago) link
― ipsofacto (ipsofacto), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 07:36 (twenty years ago) link
― Luigi Vampa (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 14:59 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 15:11 (twenty years ago) link
― ModJ (ModJ), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 15:12 (twenty years ago) link
― Luigi Vampa (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 15:13 (twenty years ago) link
― Luigi Vampa (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 15:14 (twenty years ago) link
Yeah, It's the R40 ounces of malt liquor make me wanna tell you somethin'...
See i roll around sittin' on dubs, cat 'n now I was high on shrubs.Coolin' in my escalade... Man, I'm paid, I got it madeTake me to your special placeClose your eyes, show me your face...I'm gonna piss on it.
Hatas wanna hate,Lovas wanna love,I don't even wantNone of the above.I want to piss on you.Yes I do, I'll piss on youI'll pee on you.
Set your body,your body,as a porto-pottyand a pee I'd kick.like it most erotic.
I'ma pee on you.. drip drip drippee on you,all on you.iss on you, iss on you.
You would never feel quite the samewhen you get a whiff of my Hershey's™ stainsI wanna poop on you, too.I want to pee on yo food.
Only thing that make my life complete,is when I turn yo face into a toilet seat.I want to pee on you,Yes I do, yes I doI'll pee on you, I'll piss on you
Hatas wanna hate,Lovas wanna love,I don't even wantnone of the above.I want to piss on you.Yes I doI'll piss on you,I'll pee on you.
Won't you braid my hair?So, won't you braid my hair?Before you start,I'm gonna fart.I'm 'onna fart on you.
― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 16:11 (twenty years ago) link
Normally, i don't do this...but, i'ma hit you all off with a lil' taste of the remix... y'all ready? here we go...
I pick you up from the club,take you home to make some love.Gotta surprise, close your eyeI'm gonna cover you with suds
I'ma give you some poo pooI'ma give you some pee peeI'ma give you some doo dooAnd wash it down, some wee wee
This is the remix edition of a song about pissin'I got the pee and we can re-canand leave juice in the kitchen
Yeah, that's how it goes in the R.Kelly partyI sip Crys... you drink piss... (I wanna piss on you remix... you heard?)Now, I'm serious...I really do wanna piss on you.
― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 16:12 (twenty years ago) link
― dean! (deangulberry), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 17:40 (twenty years ago) link
― j.lu (j.lu), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 17:48 (twenty years ago) link
― Luigi Vampa (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 17:50 (twenty years ago) link
Favorite Chappelle Show Moment Not Yet Mentioned: DC taking sick little Billy to school in PlayStation basketball. "KAKAKAKAKAKA! IN YOUR FACE BILLY!!!!! IN YOUR FACE!!!!" "NURSE! COME QUICK! BILLY'S GETTING HIS ASS KICKED!"
― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 19:11 (twenty years ago) link
"OF COURSE I HAVE PLAYSTATION. I'M RICH!"
― ModJ (ModJ), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 20:24 (twenty years ago) link
― NA (Nick A.), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 20:31 (twenty years ago) link
― Pablo Cruise (chaki), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 21:16 (twenty years ago) link
― Luigi Vampa (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 21:17 (twenty years ago) link
Tyrone Biggums is the grebtest! "Is this the 7 o'clock free crack giveaway?"
― Adrian (Adrian Langston), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 21:43 (twenty years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 22:44 (twenty years ago) link
― Huggy Dork (Kingfish), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 22:51 (twenty years ago) link
"konichiwa, bitches!"
― Huggy Dork (Kingfish), Thursday, 22 January 2004 03:56 (twenty years ago) link
"Hey, there's a boat with a buncha white people on it. I'm gonna go see what they want."
― nate detritus (natedetritus), Thursday, 22 January 2004 04:13 (twenty years ago) link
― theodore fogelsanger, Thursday, 22 January 2004 04:16 (twenty years ago) link
i think you answered your own unasked question, tho.
― Huggy Dork (Kingfish), Thursday, 22 January 2004 04:22 (twenty years ago) link
I missed the show tonight. Anybody know when they're replaying it?
― oops (Oops), Thursday, 22 January 2004 05:24 (twenty years ago) link
― Adrian (Adrian Langston), Thursday, 22 January 2004 05:26 (twenty years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Thursday, 22 January 2004 05:29 (twenty years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Thursday, 22 January 2004 05:30 (twenty years ago) link
― teeny (teeny), Thursday, 5 February 2004 22:52 (twenty years ago) link
― Spinktron 2000 (El Spinktor), Thursday, 5 February 2004 22:55 (twenty years ago) link
"MMMmmmm MMMMMMM, Bitch!"
― Kingfish Beatbox Botox Funktion (Kingfish), Friday, 13 February 2004 16:45 (twenty years ago) link
― Kingfish Beatbox Botox Funktion (Kingfish), Friday, 13 February 2004 16:48 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan I., Friday, 13 February 2004 17:38 (twenty years ago) link
now, if you were talking about the only PROMO they ever showed, then yes...
― Kingfish Beatbox Botox Funktion (Kingfish), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:39 (twenty years ago) link
negrodamus: he has a receipt.
This is official: Paul Mooney as Negrodamus is the greatest thing Comedy Central has ever aired.
― j.lu (j.lu), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:42 (twenty years ago) link
I love weed, LOVE IT! But not as much as I love pussy! The End.
― Girolamo Savonarola, Friday, 13 February 2004 18:31 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 13 February 2004 19:10 (twenty years ago) link
chad: you're kicking me out. trey, you stabbed my dad and slept with my girlfriend!trey: chad, i didn't f**k katie. LYSOL f**ked katie. i just filmed it.katie: no, trey, you f**cked me too.trey: correction, i f**cked katie too.dave chappelle: hey chad...i f**cked katie too.
dave chappelle (in "interview"): katie had some big ass titties.
― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 13 February 2004 19:17 (twenty years ago) link
― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 13 February 2004 19:19 (twenty years ago) link
By the way, DC's character's name from the Real World sketch was Tron. You might remember Tron from the slavery reparations / "I'M RICH, BEEEEOTCH!" *truck horn* skit.
― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 13 February 2004 19:24 (twenty years ago) link
― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 13 February 2004 19:25 (twenty years ago) link
― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Friday, 13 February 2004 19:26 (twenty years ago) link
― Spinktron 2000 (El Spinktor), Friday, 13 February 2004 19:28 (twenty years ago) link
8 hours of heat at a dice game...
(or am I thinking of the same sketch?)
― ModJ (ModJ), Friday, 13 February 2004 19:31 (twenty years ago) link
― Kingfish Beatbox Botox Funktion (Kingfish), Friday, 13 February 2004 19:39 (twenty years ago) link
― ModJ (ModJ), Friday, 13 February 2004 19:42 (twenty years ago) link
― bill stevens (bscrubbins), Friday, 13 February 2004 19:51 (twenty years ago) link
― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 13 February 2004 19:53 (twenty years ago) link
as in, "Girls! Come over here and show Charlie Murphy your TAT-ehs!"
― Kingfish Beatbox Botox Funktion (Kingfish), Friday, 13 February 2004 19:58 (twenty years ago) link
― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 13 February 2004 20:02 (twenty years ago) link
― dean! (deangulberry), Friday, 13 February 2004 20:06 (twenty years ago) link
― Kingfish Beatbox Botox Funktion (Kingfish), Friday, 13 February 2004 20:13 (twenty years ago) link
― Girolamo Savonarola, Saturday, 14 February 2004 02:48 (twenty years ago) link
I'm RICK JAMES, BITCH!
― Kingfish Beatbox (Kingfish), Sunday, 15 February 2004 06:32 (twenty years ago) link
Dave owns the word "bitch." DJ Assault still has "titties."
― Eric H. (Eric H.), Sunday, 15 February 2004 07:10 (twenty years ago) link
― Kingfish Beatbox (Kingfish), Monday, 16 February 2004 04:48 (twenty years ago) link
― ModJ (ModJ), Monday, 16 February 2004 05:03 (twenty years ago) link
― Kingfish Beatbox (Kingfish), Monday, 16 February 2004 05:05 (twenty years ago) link
― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 16 February 2004 05:24 (twenty years ago) link
― ModJ (ModJ), Monday, 16 February 2004 05:52 (twenty years ago) link
― Kingfish Beatbox (Kingfish), Monday, 16 February 2004 06:13 (twenty years ago) link
― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 16 February 2004 06:51 (twenty years ago) link
― teeny (teeny), Monday, 16 February 2004 19:40 (twenty years ago) link
― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 16 February 2004 19:56 (twenty years ago) link
― nate detritus (natedetritus), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 01:00 (twenty years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 02:01 (twenty years ago) link
― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 05:01 (twenty years ago) link
― Viva La Sam (thatgirl), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 05:08 (twenty years ago) link
― questionallthings, Tuesday, 17 February 2004 14:49 (twenty years ago) link
Charlie: "Huh?"
Rick James: "Slap" "HA HA I'm Rick James Bitch!!!!"
― questionallthings, Tuesday, 17 February 2004 14:50 (twenty years ago) link
― Kingfish Beatbox (Kingfish), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 15:55 (twenty years ago) link
TRON IS ON! CLICKETY CLACK!
― Kingfish Beatbox (Kingfish), Thursday, 19 February 2004 03:34 (twenty years ago) link
― Chris H. (chrisherbert), Thursday, 19 February 2004 04:22 (twenty years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Thursday, 19 February 2004 06:05 (twenty years ago) link
― Adrian (Adrian Langston), Thursday, 19 February 2004 13:37 (twenty years ago) link
― ModJ (ModJ), Thursday, 19 February 2004 14:23 (twenty years ago) link
― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Thursday, 19 February 2004 18:03 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 19 February 2004 18:53 (twenty years ago) link
― Kingfish Beatbox (Kingfish), Thursday, 19 February 2004 18:55 (twenty years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Sunday, 22 February 2004 09:40 (twenty years ago) link
same time i discovered "the office".
ow my head.
― donut bitch (donut), Sunday, 14 March 2004 20:17 (twenty years ago) link
― Kingfish Cowboy (Kingfish), Monday, 15 March 2004 02:18 (twenty years ago) link
My god, I figured it would be funny, but those two sketches are out of hand.
― earlnash, Monday, 15 March 2004 02:35 (twenty years ago) link
― teeny (teeny), Monday, 15 March 2004 03:19 (twenty years ago) link
― Paul Eater (eater), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 20:36 (nineteen years ago) link
― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 1 April 2004 01:06 (nineteen years ago) link
― Kingfish Hypercolor (Kingfish), Thursday, 1 April 2004 01:23 (nineteen years ago) link
― Kingfish Balzac (Kingfish), Thursday, 8 April 2004 01:53 (nineteen years ago) link
― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 8 April 2004 04:37 (nineteen years ago) link
― Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Thursday, 8 April 2004 05:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― kitty, Thursday, 8 April 2004 15:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― kitty, Thursday, 8 April 2004 15:32 (nineteen years ago) link
― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 8 April 2004 15:46 (nineteen years ago) link
― kitty, Thursday, 8 April 2004 15:52 (nineteen years ago) link
― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 8 April 2004 15:54 (nineteen years ago) link
― kitty, Thursday, 8 April 2004 16:01 (nineteen years ago) link
― Kingfish Balzac (Kingfish), Thursday, 8 April 2004 16:03 (nineteen years ago) link
― kitty, Thursday, 8 April 2004 16:08 (nineteen years ago) link
― Kingfish Balzac (Kingfish), Thursday, 8 April 2004 16:10 (nineteen years ago) link
― kitty, Thursday, 8 April 2004 16:17 (nineteen years ago) link
― Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Thursday, 8 April 2004 16:17 (nineteen years ago) link
― kitty, Thursday, 8 April 2004 16:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Thursday, 8 April 2004 16:22 (nineteen years ago) link
― kitty, Thursday, 8 April 2004 16:27 (nineteen years ago) link
― teeny (teeny), Sunday, 11 April 2004 01:44 (nineteen years ago) link
― Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Sunday, 11 April 2004 04:10 (nineteen years ago) link
Radiohead
System Of A Down
Incubus
The Strokes
WTF?
― oops (Oops), Sunday, 11 April 2004 06:17 (nineteen years ago) link
― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Sunday, 11 April 2004 06:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Sunday, 11 April 2004 07:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Sunday, 11 April 2004 07:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Sunday, 11 April 2004 16:28 (nineteen years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 31 May 2004 15:05 (nineteen years ago) link
― teeny (teeny), Monday, 31 May 2004 15:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 31 May 2004 19:06 (nineteen years ago) link
― Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 31 May 2004 20:14 (nineteen years ago) link
lots of things.
all of the humor on the show i saw was predicated on the whole "black people/white people" thing. i know chappelle is working with an unusual degree of self-consciousness when he does these kind of jokes, but that doesn't make them any deeper or funnier, in fact it makes them infinitely worse. the show seems to carry little conviction.
― amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 31 May 2004 20:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― teeny (teeny), Monday, 31 May 2004 20:22 (nineteen years ago) link
― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 31 May 2004 20:36 (nineteen years ago) link
My favorite skit from both seasons is the "Samuel L Jackson Beer" (instead of Sam Adams)
― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 31 May 2004 20:37 (nineteen years ago) link
i'm american.
― amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 31 May 2004 20:54 (nineteen years ago) link
― C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Monday, 31 May 2004 20:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 31 May 2004 21:01 (nineteen years ago) link
― C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Monday, 31 May 2004 21:07 (nineteen years ago) link
― amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 01:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― Kingfish Disraeli (Kingfish), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 01:22 (nineteen years ago) link
― C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 01:24 (nineteen years ago) link
― C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 01:25 (nineteen years ago) link
― Marmot 4-Tay: what those guyz make music 4. (marmotwolof), Monday, 17 July 2006 01:06 (seventeen years ago) link
doing standup in London http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1788157
― milo z, Friday, 9 November 2007 04:44 (sixteen years ago) link
WE MISS U DAVE
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 9 November 2007 04:49 (sixteen years ago) link
"Nicole Simpson can't rap!" might be the funniest moment of the whole series, for my money.
― Alex in Baltimore, Friday, 9 November 2007 06:26 (sixteen years ago) link
Chappelle once again appeared on Inside the Actor's Studio and in celebration of the shows 200th episode, he humorously interviewed the show's usual host, James Lipton. The episode aired on November 10, 2008 and Chappelle is scheduled to appear again on Inside the Actor's Studio for April 26th 2009.[24]
....
Chappelle has stated that he is an avid World of Warcraft player.[29]
― kingfish, Friday, 27 February 2009 17:53 (fifteen years ago) link
^^ I believe this.
― JtM Is Ruled By A Black Man (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 27 February 2009 18:16 (fifteen years ago) link
and of course the article has comments
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/06/29/news_6128319.html
Dave Chappelle loves World of Warcraft
* By Tor Thorsen, GameSpot * Posted Jun 29, 2005 8:38 am PT
After indefinitely abandoning work on his hit Chappelle's Show, comedian Dave Chappelle absconded to South Africa to escape the fallout. Since returning to the US, he has made several unannounced appearances at Los Angeles comedy clubs, and this week played two little-publicized shows at the Punchline in San Francisco.
At his San Francisco gigs, Chappelle revealed he has also been getting away to a place farther off than Johannesburg--Azeroth, no less. Attendees to Chappelle's Tuesday night show said the comedian voiced his love of a certain popular MMORPG from Blizzard Entertainment.
"You know what I've been playing a lot of?" the comedian reportedly asked the crowd. "World of Warcraft!" When a few cheers broke out, he reportedly responded, "I knew I had some geek brothers and sisters up in here!" Chappelle also was said to have expressed his amusement seeing WoW characters with names referring to his most famous sketches, including a rogue with a name inspired by the famous "I'm Rick James, B****" sketch.
Chappelle is a long-standing and vocal fan of games. Most famously, he did a Grand Theft Auto parody on his highly rated (and now in limbo) sketch series, the second season of which has shattered sales records on DVD. He also reportedly turned down a major role in GTA: San Andreas, although his Chappelle's Show costar Charlie Murphy voiced a San Fierro pimp in the game.
― kingfish, Friday, 27 February 2009 18:17 (fifteen years ago) link
i miss this dude, but i'm glad he ditched the show before it got lame. seemed pretty clear to me he was running out of ideas toward the end of S2 and i felt S3 was pretty weak.
― fwiw (rockapads), Friday, 27 February 2009 22:20 (fifteen years ago) link
I have had bits from KMS going through my head all week. My favorites are the weed selling baby, his predisposition to liking chicken and the thing about Oscar the grouch. Oh forget it - I love it all.
I actually saw him once in a v small club in NYC in the late 90s where I was one of about 20 people in the audience. He was so fucked he could hardly stand up but somehow still managed to be hilarious.
Will watch tonight and probably return to quote more.
― Noooo! Cats are not for eating!!! (ENBB), Thursday, 14 May 2009 20:32 (fourteen years ago) link
weed selling baby
my wife and I quote/cite this all the time
― High in Openness (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 14 May 2009 20:37 (fourteen years ago) link
ME TOO.
All of it is funny even where he brings it back during the thong contest bit.
"Is that . . . is that a baby?" "I snuck in the club!" etc.
― Noooo! Cats are not for eating!!! (ENBB), Thursday, 14 May 2009 20:38 (fourteen years ago) link
Oh I need to listen to this again. It's been far too long.
The bit about Clinton being so famous that someone who sucked his dick became famous too...
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 14 May 2009 21:21 (fourteen years ago) link
"hey suck my dick...there's a future in it!"
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 14 May 2009 21:33 (fourteen years ago) link
"Surprise motherfuckers! You didn't think I knew about grape juice."
― Noooo! Cats are not for eating!!! (ENBB), Friday, 15 May 2009 04:49 (fourteen years ago) link
i don't know why, and maybe it's kind of homophobic of me, but the first time i saw it, his imitation of george w. as a fiend destroyed me. "c'mon baby, sign the treaty. i'll suck your dick!"
― horseshoe, Friday, 15 May 2009 12:24 (fourteen years ago) link
hahaha yes.
Even though this is all pretty old and I've seen it many many times, it's still just as funny to me now.
― Noooo! Cats are not for eating!!! (ENBB), Friday, 15 May 2009 14:27 (fourteen years ago) link
"What the fuck is juice? I want some apple drink. It's green!"
"I don't want all them vitamins I want drink. Sugar. Water. Purple."
OK also, the Chip character or his "white" voice in general. Awesome.
― Noooo! Cats are not for eating!!! (ENBB), Friday, 15 May 2009 14:31 (fourteen years ago) link
Ok I'm just gonna put this here cause we can now and because I'm dying over here right now:
― Noooo! Cats are not for eating!!! (ENBB), Friday, 15 May 2009 14:35 (fourteen years ago) link
"Do you know how hard it is to catch and fuck a monkey?"
― Noooo! Cats are not for eating!!! (ENBB), Saturday, 16 May 2009 02:11 (fourteen years ago) link
OK, also . . . . the masturbating homeless guy on the bus. Dave, I <3 u.
― Noooo! Cats are not for eating!!! (ENBB), Saturday, 16 May 2009 03:49 (fourteen years ago) link
the masturbating homeless guy is a soft spot in the set imo but everything else is so beyond classic
― oj da hoosman (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 16 May 2009 04:08 (fourteen years ago) link
the riff about him standing on the windowsill masturbating is so awesome
grape drink bit is maybe my favorite bit of stand up comedy ever tbh
― oj da hoosman (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 16 May 2009 04:09 (fourteen years ago) link
for people my age chappelle is the defining comedic force of our lifetimes so far easy
mostly everyone i know has seen 'killin them softly' and 'for what it's worth' 10+ times and the chappelle show sketches are just engrained in our brains
― oj da hoosman (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 16 May 2009 04:12 (fourteen years ago) link
I don't know - I think think the masturbating homeless guy has grown on me over time. hmmm.
For me it's a toss up between the weed baby and grape drink in terms of fav bits of stand up, I think.
― Noooo! Cats are not for eating!!! (ENBB), Saturday, 16 May 2009 04:13 (fourteen years ago) link
"Sorry Officer, I...didn't know I couldn't do that"
― plate of dinosaurs (San Te), Thursday, 12 August 2010 14:48 (thirteen years ago) link
― Noooo! Cats are not for eating!!! (ENBB), Friday, May 15, 2009 12:49 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― o sh!t a ˁ˚ᴥ˚ˀ (ENBB), Thursday, 12 August 2010 15:03 (thirteen years ago) link
"I spoke at my old high school and I told them kids straight up, if you guys are serious about making it out of this ghetto, you gotta focus, you gotta stop blaming white people for your problems, and you've...you've got to learn...how to...rap or play basketball or something n***a, you're trapped! YOU ARE TRAPPED! Either do that or sell crack, that's your only options! That's the only way I've ever seen it work."
― plate of dinosaurs (San Te), Thursday, 12 August 2010 15:21 (thirteen years ago) link
"Wrap It Up" = maybe the most brilliant thing I've seen him do but there are so many
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 12 August 2010 16:00 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/06/16/061611-gossip-dave-chappelle-1-2/
― \(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Thursday, 16 June 2011 13:34 (twelve years ago) link
Well, I suppose there are lots of people out there who will be willing to pay any price for something new by Chapelle, but I'm not sure how well this is going to work.
― the fey bloggers are onto the zagat tweets (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 16 June 2011 13:36 (twelve years ago) link
Chappelle appeared super-sober, said our source: “People were offering him (marijuana), but he wasn’t taking any.”
After some of the post-quitting TV interviews with more than a few flashes of what looked like classic stoner paranoia, this could be a good thing!
― mh, Thursday, 16 June 2011 14:27 (twelve years ago) link
I was pretty disappointed watching reruns of Chappelle's show, some of it still works but a lot of it seems dated now, which is strange since it's only 6 years old. But that stand-up is incredible. Definitely one of the top3 stand up specials I've ever seen. Can't really name a better one right now.
― frogbs, Thursday, 16 June 2011 14:31 (twelve years ago) link
What the fuck is juice? I want some apple drink. It's green.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Thursday, 19 April 2012 01:36 (eleven years ago) link
These are already a little old, but I hadn't seen them before. Dude's even funnier.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbS9jZOlQjc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kth0UOU5a_M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLWlBgj0uOc
― pplains, Thursday, 19 April 2012 01:44 (eleven years ago) link
Yep. Just watched all of those last weekend. They're really good.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Thursday, 19 April 2012 01:45 (eleven years ago) link
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Wednesday, April 18, 2012 9:36 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark
man i was thinking about this bit the other day for some reason
― yologram (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 19 April 2012 01:47 (eleven years ago) link
It's the way he says it, the delivery. It's just hilarious.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Thursday, 19 April 2012 01:49 (eleven years ago) link
i kept hearing "i want that purple stuff...." in my head over and over
― yologram (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 19 April 2012 01:49 (eleven years ago) link
"Black people are bad bargaining" chips always cracks me up
― Grime Scene Investigation Unit (admrl), Thursday, 19 April 2012 05:04 (eleven years ago) link
Killin' 'Em Softly is the funniest hour any comedian has ever put together, T or F?
TRUE, MOTHERFUCKERS!
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 19 April 2012 05:19 (eleven years ago) link
Hard to argue with that.
Did I tell the story about how I scared DC out of a Peets in downtown SF in this thread? I still feel bad/embarrassed about that.
― Memorial Highway (admrl), Thursday, 19 April 2012 05:22 (eleven years ago) link
the way he says uh-unh seals the deal in the 'black people are bad bargaining chips' story.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 19 April 2012 05:26 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.believermag.com/issues/201310/?read=article_ghansah
― 乒乓, Monday, 14 October 2013 14:45 (ten years ago) link
http://www.believermag.com/issues/201310/img/article_ghansah.png
Kills me every time I see it.
― pplains, Monday, 14 October 2013 14:47 (ten years ago) link
^ just read that the other day. Great piece.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 14 October 2013 14:48 (ten years ago) link
I still giggle like hell every time I see the Pop Copy sketch.
"Some people ask 'why? why treat the customer this way?'. Why? Cause FUCK EM, that's why!"
― Neanderthal, Monday, 14 October 2013 15:12 (ten years ago) link
Millionaire draws-from-photos spot illos for p much every Believer interview btw
― I'm not a rockist, I just hate Rap-A-Lot (sic), Monday, 14 October 2013 17:22 (ten years ago) link
Header illos.
Just watched the Popcopy sketch again. It's the best.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 14 October 2013 17:57 (ten years ago) link
"Hell yeah I suck toes. Welcome to Pop Copy"
― Neanderthal, Monday, 14 October 2013 18:45 (ten years ago) link
"My butt itches"
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 14 October 2013 19:20 (ten years ago) link
kinda weird that people are still writing stories about the "mystery" of Dave Chappelle
― Hip Hop Hamlet (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 14 October 2013 19:23 (ten years ago) link
I mean that piece was good but I didn't learn anything I already know/added nothing
catching the tour in town tonight. I don't know how we got so lucky.
― Team Foxcatcherwatcher (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 18 March 2015 18:02 (nine years ago) link
!!!!!!!!!
― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Wednesday, 18 March 2015 18:05 (nine years ago) link
We saw the 9:30 show, which was dangerous bc he did a 7 show earlier tonight. He came out and admitted that he'd been drinking a little, which was noticeable in the beginning. But then he just absolutely killed it. So wonderful.
― Team Foxcatcherwatcher (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 19 March 2015 07:01 (nine years ago) link
Got the impression that the 7 crowd maybe sucked
― Team Foxcatcherwatcher (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 19 March 2015 07:08 (nine years ago) link
still a fav
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo-ddYhXAZc
― Neanderthal, Saturday, 9 July 2016 16:36 (seven years ago) link
watched the new Netflix special and laughed a lot, with some reservations about some of his stereotyping stuff (which, tbf, is probably his intention). He attempts to walk a very fine line all the way through it, swinging (very self-consciously and openly) towards stuff he knows will be offensive one second and then veering back to the audience's comfort zone the next. For example, equating Manny Paquiao with MLK via a "what if MLK had a Nike shoe endorsement" joke (Chappelle's take is that they would both lose their endorsements because their both controversial, while eliding the implied equivalency of Paquiao's homophobia w MLK's activism). A more obvious example is a bit that skewers a stereotypical gay Hollywood producer type, but is paired with a bit making fun of a rich redneck Texan. And there are bunch of rape jokes (OJ, Cosby, etc.) It's compelling in its audacity but I wasn't on board w all of it.
― Οὖτις, Friday, 24 March 2017 15:57 (seven years ago) link
I thought the Cosby/OJ stuff came off better, if only because he was coming from a place of liking those guys in the first place
― Dominique, Friday, 24 March 2017 16:25 (seven years ago) link
yeah I agree and even my wife laughed at the "ice cream" joke re: Cosby. the meetings w OJ framing device was good.
― Οὖτις, Friday, 24 March 2017 16:27 (seven years ago) link
part 1 > part2, but I had heard many of the part2 jokes
― Sufjan Grafton, Friday, 24 March 2017 16:33 (seven years ago) link
The man.
― orientmammal, Saturday, 25 March 2017 16:29 (seven years ago) link
word on these specials has been dire from all my friends. i'm surprised they were taped in April 2015 and March 2016
― flappy bird, Saturday, 25 March 2017 16:41 (seven years ago) link
i laughed a bit but i confess i was hoping to laugh a lot harder. and the rape/gay stuff seemed kinda tired and not worth the really long stories. he seems happy and healthy though. maybe that's bad for comedy...
i do like him and his delivery and he's just really good at it but some of the material didn't seem to justify the length of the stories like the one about his kid at school and the sandwiches. cosby would have made that story work better actually.
― scott seward, Saturday, 25 March 2017 16:58 (seven years ago) link
part 2 def better then part 1. he seems a bit bored in part one. part 2 is sparkier. but i think its a weird time for a comic like him. peoples rules for what is acceptable have changed so much. you either have to be a comfort humour kind of comedian like aziz ansari (i cant think of anyone else as a better example right now) who is often just helping the audience feel superior in their beliefs, or you can be like chappelle, and skirt a very thin line between pissing people off, and not troubling their belief systems. people want to laugh, but they dont want to be seen laughing at stuff they deem ethically troubling, or, they think laughing = agreeing. generally people are worried what their laughs say about them. either way, there were maybe too many rape jokes, hes gotten more sexist and homophobic as hes gotten older, but i also see these shows kind of as chappelle trying to piss off liberals. so maybe a case of the wrong targets, but either way, hes still funny.
― StillAdvance, Sunday, 26 March 2017 14:21 (seven years ago) link
Birbiglia is another comfort humor type
― “Yeah. Huh, thanks.” (los blue jeans), Sunday, 26 March 2017 15:20 (seven years ago) link
Funniest bit to me in the whole two hours was Dave taking his son to see Kevin Hart's arena show.
Disagree that the Austin half was better than the Hollywood half. He seems like he was winging it half the time in Austin, and he could probably pull that off 15 years ago, but it didn't work out so well now.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 26 March 2017 15:32 (seven years ago) link
Gaffigan (who I like a lot) is kinda the playonic ideal of the 'safe' comic imo
― Οὖτις, Sunday, 26 March 2017 15:35 (seven years ago) link
Yes. "Oh thank you so much Mr. Hart, we haven't eaten in HOURS!"
I'm still having difficulty getting used to looking at swole Dave, it's so off-putting. Was also very distracted by his constant placing of foot upon monitor during part 2. In part 1 he was all about the slow belly rub through his weird jacket with the C embroidered on the sleeve. Dave, I love you, I think you're a terrific guy, but you have clothes like a fucking dickhead. Still good at jokes though.
― del griffith, Sunday, 26 March 2017 17:35 (seven years ago) link
i watched these both last night, they were pretty great. i liked the whole analogy where knowing some kids are starving in China doesn't do anything for you if you are hungry. you are still going to be hungry. also putting on an argyle sweater =/= getting a good loan at the bank that was pretty good. felt like a lot of his identity politics jokes were about deconstructing the power dynamics. it was refreshing to see a comedian talk about that stuff wo it being the usual whiny tired self-victimizing "It's so hard for comedians/why is everyone PC these days?" angle.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 26 March 2017 20:21 (seven years ago) link
the transphobia and "pro-life vs anti-responsibility" line or whatever that was were pretty huge bummers for me
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 26 March 2017 20:30 (seven years ago) link
how so? the person was super drunk and exposing themselves at a party. Dave called them out on it.
if the word "Tranny" is triggering to you, then yeah, i could see how this would be a bummer. but that whole bit was about people being upset by his response in the first place!
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 26 March 2017 22:45 (seven years ago) link
that bit actually bothered me when I saw him live because he basically was casting shade against being respectful and referring to the individual the way they preferred to me ("why do *I* gotta change my pronoun game?") and using "well her dick is out" as a 'lol not REALLY a female, see' laugh.
p sure Dave isn't anti-trans or gay, doesn't mean the joke wasn't mean-spirited though. it bothered me a little more when I saw him because he said something like "gay people had a good year, give them a hand", and then me and like maybe 5 other people cheered and everybody else sat silent but of course erupted at the gay/transsexual jokes.
― Neanderthal, Sunday, 26 March 2017 22:48 (seven years ago) link
Dave though has always had some lame opinions and has also been known to get historical facts way wrong, but usually he tended to keep a lot of that out of his comedy.
that said, I did like the first special.
― Neanderthal, Sunday, 26 March 2017 22:49 (seven years ago) link
also "tranny" is considered a slur in most circles
― Neanderthal, Sunday, 26 March 2017 22:50 (seven years ago) link
yeah, thinking back on the special, i can see there being a lot of stuff in there that can be seen as against the cause. still i didn't think anything he said was hateful. he is from an older generation now, he's using older references.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 26 March 2017 22:58 (seven years ago) link
i liked when the guy asked him why he wasn't doing a boycott and he said he'd been boycotting for 10 years
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 26 March 2017 22:59 (seven years ago) link
his pettiness about key and peele is off-putting
― neva missa lost, wednesday nights on abc (voodoo chili), Sunday, 26 March 2017 23:05 (seven years ago) link
he is from an older generation now, he's using older references.
He's five months older than me. I don't do that shit.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 26 March 2017 23:15 (seven years ago) link
wasn't this like a 5 second joke?
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 26 March 2017 23:29 (seven years ago) link
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Sunday, March 26, 2017 7:15 PM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
did you quit your Comedy Central show too?
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 26 March 2017 23:30 (seven years ago) link
it is possible to acknowledge that we don't think Chappelle is actively campaigning to impede LGBTQ rights and concede that he may actually be in favor of them while also acknowledging that the jokes were in poor taste.
it didn't ruin my overall enjoyment of the set but it was v uncomfortable during that one particular part.
― Neanderthal, Sunday, 26 March 2017 23:39 (seven years ago) link
"wasn't this like a 5 second joke?"
he mentions it in interviews. how he feels weird when it says "created by key and peele" on their show because obviously he created what they did.
although i think the richard pryor show came first....
― scott seward, Sunday, 26 March 2017 23:45 (seven years ago) link
Neanderthal OTM
― Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Sunday, 26 March 2017 23:59 (seven years ago) link
Bailed when he got to Pacquiao - no laughs at all for me
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 27 March 2017 00:00 (seven years ago) link
― Neanderthal, Sunday, March 26, 2017 11:39 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Came away annoyed at these bits as well, but I can concede this. My take is that his theories on these things is, pun somewhat intended, half baked. Like, yeah fine, Dave, but did you read the news that "trannies" are out there being murdered and suicide rates are pretty up there? No? Ok. Have some fun with 'em then.
― andrew m., Monday, 27 March 2017 16:23 (seven years ago) link
In no rush to watch the 2nd installment.
― andrew m., Monday, 27 March 2017 16:24 (seven years ago) link
xpost that is otm I think. he doesn't really go below the surface much. and my audience's guffawing at these jokes plus their refusal to applaud when Dave asked htem to for the gay community (note, this was pre-Pulse) made me even more uncomfortable.
― Neanderthal, Monday, 27 March 2017 16:29 (seven years ago) link
don't really see the connection between K&P and Chappelle's show tbh
― frogbs, Monday, 27 March 2017 17:45 (seven years ago) link
Gross: https://twitter.com/redsteeze/status/846396914664910848
― flappy bird, Monday, 27 March 2017 17:47 (seven years ago) link
really wasn't that into part 1, it was funny in parts, but yeah, the "tranny" stuff, the rape jokes, the impression of a gay man, all seem really dated and uncomfortable to me and basically don't make me laugh (although dated is the wrong word I'm sure, feel like dave's older shows that I've seen where way less transgressive, and funnier). i don't think i'll bother with the second part.
― bomb diggy diggy diggy bomb diggy bomb (jim in vancouver), Monday, 27 March 2017 17:53 (seven years ago) link
The connection is sketch comedy. xp
Didn't think he was necessarily dissing K&P, as much as seeing on TV a continuation of what he was doing when he had walked away from TV.
― who even are those other cats (Eazy), Monday, 27 March 2017 17:54 (seven years ago) link
― frogbs, Monday, March 27, 2017 12:45 PM (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
filmed (vs live) sketch comedy?
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Monday, 27 March 2017 17:55 (seven years ago) link
well maybe I don't know exactly what he's trying to say there, if K&P was supposed to be a stand-in for Chappelle's Show or what
cuz they actually did that once, it was called Mind of Mencia, and it really sucked
that said idk if K&P would've gotten green lit if not for Chappelle. but I think the type of humor was totally different.
― frogbs, Monday, 27 March 2017 18:12 (seven years ago) link
I watched the first (more recent) special, and it confirmed for me that Chappelle can still be really funny, but there's just something off about the guy now. It's interesting that someone above said he seemed happy, because my sense is just the opposite. There's an undercurrent of bitterness to him that wasn't there before.
Admittedly, the physical change throws me off too. His bulkiness looks so weird and unnatural to me that I half-suspect HGH was involved. And it doesn't help that it's come along with a change in his voice and speaking style that makes it sound like his tongue is heavy in his mouth.
Also weird that so much of that special made it sound like Dave has no idea that a person can be both black and gay, or both black and trans. Of course he does know that, but a version of him that didn't would do a lot of the same material. (E.g. the "gay people are doing well, but take it from a black guy..." bit.)
Last night I watched this old clip of Chappelle on Def Poetry Jam. He's so relaxed and effortless here. Compared to this, present-day Dave is heavy, labored, and generally a bummer. (But still really funny sometimes.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiU6ADkiTT0
― JRN, Monday, 27 March 2017 18:20 (seven years ago) link
― frogbs, Monday, March 27, 2017 2:12 PM (nineteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I think that's what Dave is saying, that he did all the shit work that allowed K&P to do what they did with relatively little (if any) network interference. In his DVD commentaries, he talks about how fucked up and absurd it is that he has to argue for hours on end with a room of white network execs about, among other things, why it's ok for a sketch to use the n-word. He sees K&P benefiting from the battles he fought (and that ultimately led to him leaving the show).
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 27 March 2017 18:36 (seven years ago) link
I have a lot of thoughts on this
I think both of these specials are fantastic. I think they can't be judged against, say, Killin Em Softly or Aziz or Louis' year of road-tested, polished material. As someone pointed out above, they do have the feel of loose, riff-y sessions. And, in the literally 10 years since Chappelle has released anything into the world, loose, riff-y sessions is how a lot of people experience art, whether via Lil Wayne/Future mixtapes or giving someone way less funny like Marc Maron a career that entails 787 podcast episodes. Like, I would never had said this until I was given the option, but I would rather have three B+ hours from the funniest human being on the planet vs. one A+ hour packaged like a George Carlin special from the 70s.
― SSN Lucci (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 17:24 (seven years ago) link
And, obviously, I don't agree with the *politics* expressed in homophobic or transphobic jokes, but I thought many of them were still p funny and, more importantly, valuable in showing how one person, Dave Chappelle, is navigating a changing world.
― SSN Lucci (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 17:29 (seven years ago) link
by continuing to probe the boundaries of what people consider offensive?
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 17:36 (seven years ago) link
i think i'd rather have a heavily-written laser-guided carlin special from dave chappelle because i think it could be like a bomb going off. but that's just me. i didn't think these were fantastic though. maybe my expectations were too high. maybe i shouldn't have known how much he got paid for them! i dunno.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 17:41 (seven years ago) link
valuable in showing how one person, Dave Chappelle, is navigating a changing world.
gimme a break, the only thing he's navigating is his family's financial security. A socially-responsible comedian interested in "navigating a changing world" would choose to not include homophobic or transphobic jokes in his set, or at the very least maybe not call women bitches? But it's not Aziz, it's Dave, he's kind of an asshole, that's his style. He's less interested in boundary-probing than he is real-keeping. He's always talked like a cranky old man, now he's just settling into the cranky old man physical vessel.
I agree the specials are fantastic though! But it's not a legit comeback, it's just pleasant nostalgia watching an old friend do his thing again.
― del griffith, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 18:00 (seven years ago) link
cosign all that
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 18:02 (seven years ago) link
i mean, i'll cosign that too with the footnote that maybe the idea that Chappelle is a socially-responsible comedian was foisted upon him, and probably never really was
― SSN Lucci (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 18:05 (seven years ago) link
idk where that idea came from. if anything he's the guy who taught an entire generation of white boys that it was okay to say the N-word.
― frogbs, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 18:08 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, Chappelle (like Louis C.K. and others) gets vastly more credit for being a thought-provoking truth-teller than he has ever remotely deserved.
― JRN, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 18:17 (seven years ago) link
if anything he's the guy who taught an entire generation of white boys that it was okay to say the N-word.
er, no this happened at least 10 years earlier
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 18:18 (seven years ago) link
It's more depressing in some ways to see someone who was pushing boundaries and eking out this space nearly fifteen years ago fit exactly in the space he spent so much time working on. Chappelle didn't just do that for comedy -- there are entire spaces in the culture I feel like he had an affect on and society's built on that, changed, evolved since then. If you start out today, you get those things for free.
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 18:18 (seven years ago) link
maybe that's the thing, the social space he fought so hard for, it's just what he wanted (and deserved) but it never meant he was more tuned in to anyone else's struggle
it's this cultural thing where people frame society through a particular reference period or outlook in their own lives and each successive generation gets all those views and their own, built on a culture that's blended all of those things. if you're not constantly engaging with people, especially young people, you're stuck
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 18:21 (seven years ago) link
pt 2 def better imo. Still some eye-roll-y homo/transphobic stuff but generally it just flows better and the lengthy, more convoluted setups have better payoffs.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 17:24 (seven years ago) link
― “Yeah. Huh, thanks.” (los blue jeans), Sunday, March 26, 2017 10:20 AM (three days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i kinda reject the whole notion of "comedy has to push boundaries and make you uncomfortable" seems like kinda b.s. punk rock bullshit, I think Birbiglia's new special is way better than either of the new Chapelle things...I dunno, like Lenny Bruce is fucking unbearable to me but I still find enjoyment in old Bob Newhart routines
not that "edgy" humor can't be great but the whole offensiveness and making the audience uncomfortable bill hicks (another guy i seriously think is awful to listen to today) bullshit ends up in andrew dice clay and sam kinison or that dickhead boston guy just as often as it ends up as vintage pryor or chapelle
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 17:32 (seven years ago) link
wow Whiney that is a disappointing take imo
― People like Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Jr, and (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 17:39 (seven years ago) link
I think ums is largely otm, "pushing the boundaries" as a comedic raison d'etre is not the holy grail/ultimate defense that some comics seem to think it is
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 17:40 (seven years ago) link
xxpost -- Bill Burr is said boston asshole i was thinking of
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 17:42 (seven years ago) link
wow Whiney that is a disappointing take imo― People like Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Jr, and (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Wednesday, March 29, 2017 1:39 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― People like Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Jr, and (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Wednesday, March 29, 2017 1:39 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I don't know, I admit I'm probably better than most at separating "things that detest me politically" with "things that are entertaining" in that same way that the "racist/funny" won the ILX poll about Long Duk Dong.
― SSN Lucci (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 17:49 (seven years ago) link
one of ILXs more shameful moments imo
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 17:56 (seven years ago) link
xp. haha, god i didn't know that
― gimp in wankouver (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 17:57 (seven years ago) link
I think Birbiglia's new special is way better than either of the new Chapelle things
haven't seen the second chappelle but so far I'd agree with this
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 17:58 (seven years ago) link
I mean, I would wager that 95% of people on ILX agree that stereotyping Asians is unacceptable and mocking trans people is unacceptable – but some people still enjoy music/movies/comedy that is problematic despite being enlightened and knowing better.
Neil Brennan's special is v good
― SSN Lucci (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 18:02 (seven years ago) link
Brennan's latest special was really good, that's true. It's not hard to see how him and Chappelle complimented/improved each other's material.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 18:04 (seven years ago) link
"pushing the boundaries" as a comedic raison d'etre is not the holy grail/ultimate defense that some comics seem to think it is
if it elicits a strong laugh from the audience, the intellectual or moral goodness of what gets said is completely moot
Birbiglia's new special is way better than either of the new Chapelle things...
you ppl are out of yr lilywhite npr-washed minds
― sleepingbag, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 18:16 (seven years ago) link
*strong laugh*
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 18:19 (seven years ago) link
i think i actually laughed harder during the new bill burr - since someone brought him up - special but mostly because he kept calling Mcdonalds food poison and his reaction to eating it was exactly the same as my reaction. he is a dickhead but also a good example of someone who can make me laugh even though i "know better". i probably don't really know any better though.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 18:20 (seven years ago) link
i don't even think bill burr is trying to be edgy or push boundaries or whatever. he's been doing the same thing for years. he's your standard outraged jerky boy.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 18:21 (seven years ago) link
birbiglia: jokes about how his yoga classmates are polite but secretly mean! and how spicy food is too hot! delivered in a library voice... you'd have to be fucking lobotomized to enjoy this
― sleepingbag, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 18:24 (seven years ago) link
hang on, do you think my yoga classmates ARE secretly mean?
― Bobson Dugnutt (ulysses), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 18:27 (seven years ago) link
I don't agree w sleepingbag's contention that if the audience laughs, it's okay. I know comics are naturally inclined to think like this, but um terrible audiences laugh at horrible shit and I don't think that's really a yardstick that should be encouraged.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 18:30 (seven years ago) link
http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article483811.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/42E73966-D655-9968-F1C16F2AD3124117.jpg
― gimp in wankouver (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 18:34 (seven years ago) link
I don't even listen to NPR! Only sports talk KFAN 4 lyfe
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 18:36 (seven years ago) link
xp well it's a good thing y'all ain't in charge because there is nothing in this world like a good laugh and I sure as fuck ain't getting that from 'humorists' and cult-of-the-sensitive types
― sleepingbag, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 18:38 (seven years ago) link
i really liked the new Jen Kirkman and also the Michael Che ones more than the new chapelle too
basically i just didn't really like these new chapelle ones that much
but i am lobotomized and probably can't process such edgy comedy in the way tough hombre sleepingbag can
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 18:39 (seven years ago) link
xp. http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/8800000/Achmed-The-Dead-Terrorist-achmed-the-dead-terrorist-8898423-367-279.jpg
― gimp in wankouver (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 18:40 (seven years ago) link
lol. I liked the che a lot, agree that was way better than the new chappelles
― sleepingbag, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 18:40 (seven years ago) link
I'm not advocating gov't censorship here, I'm defending the right of general public to criticize performances, not sure why that's a big deal. There's a subset of comedians who are hyper-defensive about anyone anywhere ever taking them to task for their material, like they are on a divine mission from god and LAUGHS are above critique, which is just stupid imo.
xp
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 18:40 (seven years ago) link
i used to like gaffigan okay but i can't stand that thing he does where he talks in a high voice like he's an audience member talking about himself...like he'll say "I'm really fat....but that's only because i eat like crap and don't exercise" and then he'll be like "Oh my god, can you believe that, he's so fat, sad" in a higher voice
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 18:40 (seven years ago) link
I'm sure audiences laughed at Amy Schumer's racist shit, it was still racist shit
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 18:41 (seven years ago) link
Yeah that Gaffigan thing drives me nuts. Otherwise he's alright.
― frogbs, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 18:42 (seven years ago) link
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, March 29, 2017 1:40 PM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i tried the new gaffigan special and made it like ten minutes, super boring 2 me
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 18:52 (seven years ago) link
who was the woman who did a joke about being raped by amy schumer in her new netflix special. i laughed at that. you'd uhhhh have to see it for context.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 18:53 (seven years ago) link
feel bad for people who seem to be unable to take off their "liberal crusader" hat any time ever
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 22:25 (seven years ago) link
just say SJW, you know you want to
― Neanderthal, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 22:26 (seven years ago) link
i mean ffs most of the people sharing concerns have stated they found part or most of the special funny! I heard the uncomfortable transexual jokes when I actually saw him in 2015, and I still left the show feeling like I was entertained.
but when you're a close ally of the LGBTQ community where 40% of your friends are gay, and you're hearing a comedian make a joke about a transexual that seems to be making open mockery of the topic, only a few years after a transexual person got beaten into a near-coma in a McDonald's for "using the wrong bathroom", while the people around you sit stone-faced when Chappelle asks you to cheap for the gay community and then guffaws loudly at his transphobic jokes, it's a bit discomforting.
maybe not as much when you're sitting at home watching it on TV, but I heard this shit as part of an audience that shall I say seemed a bit meathead and not very progressive.
― Neanderthal, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 22:31 (seven years ago) link
cheap = "cheer"
― Neanderthal, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 22:32 (seven years ago) link
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, March 29, 2017 3:25 PM (eighteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
feel bad for people who are shitheads
― gimp in wankouver (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 22:47 (seven years ago) link
i wish i could laugh my stupid ass off at gags about "trannies". what a burden a conscience is
yes just look down on anyone who isn't exactly like you. call them names. tell them they have no morals. it's really working out well for you types.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 22:52 (seven years ago) link
I turned it off because I didn't laugh once, not because anything was particularly offensive - he'd have to stretch some ways to match '70s/'80s Pryor/Murphy/Carlin for offensiveness. Like, the "I went to the Oscars instead of Flint" bit was just... okay, you're an asshole and you're copping to being an asshole (kind of), now make it a joke or a funny revealing story or something.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 22:53 (seven years ago) link
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, March 29, 2017 6:52 PM (twenty-five seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
uh
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 22:53 (seven years ago) link
it's a neat trick, this anti-bigotry-won-trump-the-election horseshit
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 22:54 (seven years ago) link
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, March 29, 2017 3:52 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
fuck up, you total clown.
― gimp in wankouver (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 22:54 (seven years ago) link
there's "anti-bigotry" and then there's this stick up the ass holier than thou shit.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 22:56 (seven years ago) link
in part 2 he does a bit about not wanting to "switch up his whole pronoun game" to suit "trannies" (an inclination I am actually somewhat sympathetic to or, at least, familiar with) but he illustrates it in a p gross way ("gay CPR" etc.) and then fumbles what should be the punchline/turnaround (that "nigger" is also a pronoun, one he presumably doesn't want various people to use to address him, but he doesn't actually go there and spell it out). The whole bit just ends up being weird and disconcerting instead of funny or insightful imo.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 22:56 (seven years ago) link
in a way, dave chappelle taking a totally chauvinistic, traditional masculinity uber alles approach to comedy is the real radicalism. so brave.
xp you are so full of shit.
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 22:57 (seven years ago) link
not you, Shakey; Granny Dainger
yes because my opinions don't match up 100% with yours I'm a full of shit total clown. got it. peace I'm going outside, try it some time.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 22:59 (seven years ago) link
i have made no judgement whatsoever of people who watched and enjoyed these specials. i'm reacting to your reaction to people not enjoying it by coming out condescending and mealy mouthed garbage like:
"feel bad for people who seem to be unable to take off their "liberal crusader" hat any time ever".
oh you do? great, i feel bad for the fact that you're a cunt.
― gimp in wankouver (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 22:59 (seven years ago) link
like he could've walked that bit into an understanding of respecting people and calling them whatever they want to be called, and he *still* could've worked in the "a medical emergency is not the time to argue about these distinctions" joke/premise but he didn't bother. It made the whole bit just feel exploitative, an opportunity for him to do his p boneheaded stereotypical-flouncing-homo impression and "her dick is hanging out" lines.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 22:59 (seven years ago) link
i fondly remember the dave chappelle who pointed out that WB cartoons promoted rape culture over this i really really liked bill cosby rapist superhero apologist
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 23:00 (seven years ago) link
more name calling. that's what cunts do!
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 23:01 (seven years ago) link
p much agree with Shakey last few posts. they were basically lame jokes, the end.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 23:02 (seven years ago) link
wait are you posting from outside now
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 23:02 (seven years ago) link
lol Shakey
― Neanderthal, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 23:07 (seven years ago) link
the first person to do anything remotely approximating "calling names" was sleepingbag (granted it was mild), the second one was....actually you, Granny
― Neanderthal, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 23:09 (seven years ago) link
and then i brought it on home
― gimp in wankouver (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 23:10 (seven years ago) link
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, March 29, 2017 5:59 PM (forty-five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
you've always been a sanctimonious clown, tho, is the thing
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 23:51 (seven years ago) link
the pronoun stuff is hilarious. some people act like we are living in the year 2050
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 30 March 2017 00:00 (six years ago) link
like he could've walked that bit into an understanding of respecting people and calling them whatever they want to be called
https://i.redditmedia.com/qFAzGT8xdIRE-f_kZI6UZ6fgx7e7ofCSjwWfbPrA4DY.jpg
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 30 March 2017 00:05 (six years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/j3kL9iF.jpg
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 30 March 2017 00:06 (six years ago) link
i.redditmedia.com
― 1staethyr, Thursday, 30 March 2017 00:08 (six years ago) link
all these years i just thought adam was stupid
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Thursday, 30 March 2017 00:21 (six years ago) link
i love being right
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Thursday, 30 March 2017 00:22 (six years ago) link
fuck you
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 30 March 2017 00:23 (six years ago) link
i mean, horray for being right, asshole.
maybe you guys are right and this comedian should have rewritten all his jokes so that nobody was made fun of
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 30 March 2017 00:24 (six years ago) link
maybe he also should have rewritten them so that they were jokes
― horseshoe, Thursday, 30 March 2017 00:27 (six years ago) link
and did not seem embittered by the existence of other people
― horseshoe, Thursday, 30 March 2017 00:28 (six years ago) link
for real, dave chappelle used to strike me as a really kind dude. it's a shame.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 30 March 2017 00:29 (six years ago) link
also i miss his old voice
i always thought of him as a kind dude! it weirds me out that he's more into KIR
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Thursday, 30 March 2017 00:32 (six years ago) link
KIR about his kind of mean, obvious iconoclasms. oh you're a cis man who is made uncomfortable by transgender women because you might be attracted to one? how novel.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 30 March 2017 00:34 (six years ago) link
i also remember with fondness his bit about feeling bad for monica lewinsky because "that's a hard thing to be famous for." he used to seem more empathetic.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 30 March 2017 00:35 (six years ago) link
these were both p bad. bummer.
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Thursday, 30 March 2017 00:42 (six years ago) link
his empathy was always one of the things i liked most about him
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Thursday, 30 March 2017 00:43 (six years ago) link
come on gay cpr is a gag you could see on Modern Family
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 30 March 2017 00:43 (six years ago) link
fuck that show too while we're here
― horseshoe, Thursday, 30 March 2017 00:44 (six years ago) link
like there were some glimpses of the old Dave there and some legitmately funny bits but too many of these jokes were like some Rob Schneider shit
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Thursday, 30 March 2017 00:48 (six years ago) link
some people act like we are living in the year 2050
This is just such a weird thing to say - like if you agree we're going to be less assholish in the future, why not start now?
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 30 March 2017 01:14 (six years ago) link
Who and how you make fun of people is kind of central to the concept of comedy - punching down is rarely funny (and thus why conservative comedians are terrible or nonexistent).
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 30 March 2017 01:19 (six years ago) link
tough crowd in here...
https://s3.amazonaws.com/webassets.ticketmob.com/LS/images/comedians/Rodney-Dangerfield.jpg
― scott seward, Thursday, 30 March 2017 01:22 (six years ago) link
i have to say it again: that long-ass story about eating the sandwiches and his kid at school was really lame. and so very long. the weird thing about it was that it wasn't believable at all.
bill burr wastes the last half of his new special telling a shaggy dog story about a gorilla and its also lame. points for committing to a bit though, i guess.
― scott seward, Thursday, 30 March 2017 01:25 (six years ago) link
I love the sandwich story, esp the line about how a Dave Chappelle bit increases its value
― SSN Lucci (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 30 March 2017 01:26 (six years ago) link
*bite
― SSN Lucci (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 30 March 2017 01:31 (six years ago) link
it's not that weird. gender has been fixed for tens/hundreds of thousands of years. there is nothing assholish about accidentally calling someone the wrong pronoun. it may be ignorant, they may just simply be mistaken. it has happened to me many times during my life. i used to have long hair, and i was on a drug that ended up hormonally altering me during my formative years, growing breast tissue, giving me a sort of concave chest and various body issues. whenever i got called "Miss" i knew it was cos the person was ignorant of my condition, or just mistaken, or maybe distracted and/or had bad eyesight. there were all sorts of possible reasons, and jumping down their throat about it was only guaranteed to get everyone angry and start my heart to racing. my gender identity has been a pretty fluid, i shop in the women's section, i used to go on dates and playing shows wearing dresses, and i was heavily involved with the feminist activist community for a good decade and playing in a pan-sexual pan-gender inclusive bands. all this shit doesn't get thrown away cos i laughed at a comedian.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 30 March 2017 01:46 (six years ago) link
HERP
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 30 March 2017 01:47 (six years ago) link
there is a very potent absurdity to the very idea of gender. these silly games us humans play. it is ripe ground for comedians.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 30 March 2017 01:48 (six years ago) link
And there's the DERP
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 30 March 2017 01:50 (six years ago) link
dude, please. that is not what chappelle's jokes about transgender people were about.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 30 March 2017 01:50 (six years ago) link
i've been watching old episodes of Friends with cyrus and i forgot about how freaked out they were by lesbians on that show. it doesn't seem that long ago! but i guess it kinda is in t.v. years. that show is so norm-core to the bone.
also, when they are playing a quiz game and the question comes up "what is joey's favorite food?" and chandler yells out "sandwiches!" i totally laughed harder than during dave's long-ass sandwich story.
― scott seward, Thursday, 30 March 2017 01:57 (six years ago) link
there is nothing assholish about accidentally calling someone the wrong pronoun.
true, that one wasn't as bad as the one where he adopts a typical sneaky transgender voice and says "heh heh, let's go out the club and trick some guys into fucking us"
This is the sort of thing that only an established comedian can get away with in his "I'm still here" Netflix special. A young up-and-comer from a new generation would never make this joke. It'll go away.
― del griffith, Thursday, 30 March 2017 02:00 (six years ago) link
this is probably the first time i ever saw him. and i always remembered the moving to the village and having the nightmare about the guy putting a gun to his head and the biting the penis off thing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBJXIuzRnyI
― scott seward, Thursday, 30 March 2017 02:13 (six years ago) link
i've never seen that! he looks like a baby. that one seems like he's at least a little making fun of his own homosexual panic. also the fact that he looks like a baby makes the straight male obsession with gay men seem...typically juvenile.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 30 March 2017 02:18 (six years ago) link
accidentally, no, of course not, and I don't think anybody is suggesting otherwise. making a statement like "well HER dick is out" and making fun of the juxtaposition of a "she" with "he" parts is. (as is suggesting it isn't "fair" to be expected to play along).
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 30 March 2017 02:30 (six years ago) link
I've accidentally called the wrong pronoun before - most human beings just apologize and correct themselves at that point and .....that's it.
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 30 March 2017 02:31 (six years ago) link
i have to admit the bit about getting on an airplane and asking the pilot "yo, you wanna live, motherfucker?" was hilarious tho
Nothing is sacred in comedy, it's either all in or out IMO. But whether you find the jokes funny or poor taste is up to you obvs.
― Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Thursday, 30 March 2017 02:33 (six years ago) link
no one has ever said comedians can't say what they want. but accordingly, they can fucking suck it up when they say wack things and people point it out.
― horseshoe, Thursday, 30 March 2017 02:40 (six years ago) link
^ yeah, agree with that.
― Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Thursday, 30 March 2017 02:45 (six years ago) link
making a statement like "well HER dick is out" and making fun of the juxtaposition of a "she" with "he" parts is.
but he's joking about social awkwardness at parties. isn't this a standard topic for comedians? this is normalizing trans issues in a way.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 30 March 2017 02:54 (six years ago) link
social awkwardness at parties is so not what was the subject of his joke, even if that's what *you* got from it
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 30 March 2017 02:58 (six years ago) link
the joke was about navigating a changing world full of chicks with dicks and how socially awkward it is that chicks can have dicks nowadays
― del griffith, Thursday, 30 March 2017 03:04 (six years ago) link
dave is old news now anyway. i'm already anticipating...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1Fe3mInaTI
― scott seward, Thursday, 30 March 2017 03:20 (six years ago) link
where does this no punching down thing come from? both Chapelle's standup and show was largely crackhead based.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 30 March 2017 03:43 (six years ago) link
re: crackheads, Dave typically told crackhead jokes or played crackhead characters as commentary on his own community
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 30 March 2017 03:47 (six years ago) link
so he isnt allowed to joke about people outside his community?
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 30 March 2017 03:48 (six years ago) link
jesus have you not read any of the previous 200 posts
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 30 March 2017 03:49 (six years ago) link
look, if your argument is he should just not joke about it to avoid spreading potentially hateful ideas then he did that for like a decade! he stopped his hugely successful and influential TV show exactly for that reason. he agrees with you.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 30 March 2017 03:50 (six years ago) link
you can joke about something without turning that something into an item of mockery.
you could tell a joke involving a transgendered person that actually satirizes society's reactions to something they don't understand. you can also tell a joke involving a transgendered person that amounts to "lol this person calls herself a lady but she has a dick and they expect me to call her 'she'".
I don't think Dave is some hateful asshole that dislikes transgendered people as much as I think he got lazy and was going for low-hanging fruit with his audience. doesn't make it much better though.
as I said, I left feeling entertained that night, but that 5 minutes or so had me very uncomfortable, not laughing, and wishing for him to move on.
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 30 March 2017 03:53 (six years ago) link
it also depends on the stature of your target. the transgender community is undoubtedly earning acceptance that was unthinkable even a decade ago but they're lagging behind the gay community in that many people that are "ok" with homosexuality still condemn transgenders. At the time of Dave's special, it was early 2015, so we didn't have the North Carolina bathroom bill yet, but we did have the aforementioned savage McDonald's beatdown, and National Review had just a year earlier published its infamous nasty article "Laverne Cox is not a woman".
I'm not saying comedians have to be agents of social change, I'm not even saying they can't ridicule things or joke about controversial things (I'm hardly a prude, I probably laugh at shit that would get me 50 FPs if people knew about it here)....but it's probably best if telling a joke involving a community fighting for acceptance that you don't make it a lowest-common denominator joke reinforcing the worst of stereotypes about a group that is still fighting hard to gain acceptance.
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 30 March 2017 04:01 (six years ago) link
Let's do Katt Williams next.
― who even are those other cats (Eazy), Thursday, 30 March 2017 04:35 (six years ago) link
I love like 2005-era Katt
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 30 March 2017 04:42 (six years ago) link
gender has been fixed for tens/hundreds of thousands of years.
Not the right thread, but this isn't remotely true, even if you fix it to the US and its antecedents.
Right, but (as I know some people have said), that's not what Dave Chappelle was doing here.
Good on you for the subject of the rest of that post - I'm not criticising you, and god knows I misgender people myself, even ones I've known a long time. Well, particularly them.
What I meant was, you could have said the year 3000 and I'd have thought oh yeah fair enough, we'll be mists inside spacesuits living on Venus, significant social change will have taken place. But we're probably both going to see 2050, it's not a far off utopia. And I agree that society (or at least the USA and its shadow) is changing on this pretty quickly, I would have thought 10 years ago that 2050 would have been a good estimate for "Trans/gender thinking gets to where we imagine it should be", and now I can see it happening. Though the kids who have taken it on now will be the old giffers then, I suppose you could say that that's when it'll be finished.
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 30 March 2017 12:38 (six years ago) link
I think a lot of this is just... These specials aren't that good and Dave doesn't really have it.
It feels like a bunch of Rolling Stone convincing themselves like Steel Wheels is really saying something
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 30 March 2017 13:06 (six years ago) link
"hey, this is pretty good..."
Wire - Silver/Lead (2017)
― scott seward, Thursday, 30 March 2017 14:42 (six years ago) link
i was really surprised by how much i liked that colin quinn history of new york special on netflix. i never think about colin quinn and never watch him and kinda consider him a dinosaur but it was funny and well-written and he worked it really well. AND it was filled with like 50 years of stand up ethnic stereotypes AND somehow that was half the point and he made it work. it was more like a scripted one man show than a stand up show though.
― scott seward, Thursday, 30 March 2017 14:45 (six years ago) link
Colin Quinn's twitter account is a real treasure
― frogbs, Thursday, 30 March 2017 14:49 (six years ago) link
I watched the announce live on MTV and David Fricke, who had heard the album and was being interviewed as An Important Rock Critic Who Has Heard the Album, assessed it live on the air as follows:
"It rocks."
― People like Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Jr, and (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 30 March 2017 15:22 (six years ago) link
this is one of my two most sought after MTV clips btw if anybody's hoarding them. the other one is this anthony kiedis interview w/chris connelly
― People like Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Jr, and (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 30 March 2017 15:27 (six years ago) link
Fricke is the ultimate classic rock soundbite guy, do respect that he always kept it 100 w/the ramones haircut
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 30 March 2017 16:26 (six years ago) link
he has always been the sweetest nicest guy in person so i'm prejudiced
― Bobson Dugnutt (ulysses), Thursday, 30 March 2017 16:35 (six years ago) link
yeah he always came off as pretty good natured. he used to have a column in RS where he would sneak some pretty underground stuff into the mag when he could.
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 30 March 2017 16:36 (six years ago) link
― scott seward, Thursday, 30 March 2017 02:25
I really liked that part.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 30 March 2017 22:36 (six years ago) link
I preferred Dave's shaggy dog stories about the sandwiches to the "watch me big a jerk to gays/transgender ppl" bits tbh
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 30 March 2017 22:37 (six years ago) link
but I tend to like comedians that go on really long tangents/storytelling digressions
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 30 March 2017 22:38 (six years ago) link
I hope you've seen the recent stewart lee specials
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 30 March 2017 23:00 (six years ago) link
idk who that is
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 30 March 2017 23:05 (six years ago) link
it wasn't like an "all time LOL" or anything but the story about the dude who kept sending Dave tapes of him beating off made me laugh cos he focused on the stupid details like "who the fuck keeps sending TAPES?" which is kind of how he used to be with his comedy.
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 30 March 2017 23:07 (six years ago) link
you guys must be big kevin hart fans if you like long stories. he can go and go.
― scott seward, Thursday, 30 March 2017 23:17 (six years ago) link
I like him okay. he's a bit manic.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 30 March 2017 23:19 (six years ago) link
i basically agree with shakey's original post. part 1 was an interesting mix of genuine laughs and horrific taboo no-nos, but i think he makes it work, especially with the framing. as cringey as the "he rapes, but he saves" thing was, tying it all together with the cosby punchline at the end was pretty genius
haven't finished part 2 yet, which seems much safer but also less laugh-out-loud funny
― k3vin k., Friday, 31 March 2017 18:52 (six years ago) link
His shirt in part 2 is so douchey. I mean if you're gonna do denim cause you're in Texas, then don't stop short of going full on cowboy by wearing this weak-ass blue gradient bullshit, looks like he got it at Costco. What's wrong with a real western shirt? Go loud or go home, and while you're at it, a bolo tie never hurt anyone. Also, maybe don't open your set with a joke about "New York dykes."
― del griffith, Friday, 31 March 2017 19:08 (six years ago) link
Re-watched "For What It's Worth" and it delivers on the laughs far more than the new specials. Seems like both a case of stronger material and less PC times. Some days I'd say he's the funniest comedian ever
― Paisley Window Pane (Ross), Wednesday, 19 July 2017 22:59 (six years ago) link
anyone catch the new specials?
― kolakube (Ross), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 23:56 (six years ago) link
first ten mins or so, then my friend complained that I turned off Bob's Burgers.
there's a long joke where the payoff is "so I kicked her in the pussy"
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 2 January 2018 23:56 (six years ago) link
First ep is great!
― mag gerwig! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 02:12 (six years ago) link
I'm surprised no one brought it up:
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/dave-chappelle-louis-ck-netflix_us_5a4b94a2e4b025f99e1da6f3
― pomenitul, Thursday, 4 January 2018 01:15 (six years ago) link
True, that is the only thing he said. Thanks for clearing that up.
― billstevejim, Thursday, 4 January 2018 04:20 (six years ago) link
the first Netflix special was so dispiritingI don't think he's funny anymorean article from the trans person he talks about in the new special is a worthwhile readhttps://medium.com/@tylergfoster/i-wrote-dave-chappelle-a-letter-about-his-terrible-transgender-jokes-55478970b9f
― Joan Digimon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 4 January 2018 12:51 (six years ago) link
"Equanimity" is fucking funny. I miss the more manic, cartoonish delivery (and voice) of early 2000s tho.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 5 January 2018 16:33 (six years ago) link
i thought these were a lot better than the ones he did last year. but he does sound like a dinosaur.
not sure i understood exactly how his pimp parable at the end of Bird Rev pertains to him or the audience or comedy central(?) or hollywood or anything really
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Friday, 5 January 2018 18:31 (six years ago) link
how much of the runtime of the new specials is dedicate to shitty transphobic bits?
― khat person (jim in vancouver), Friday, 5 January 2018 18:48 (six years ago) link
don't watch it
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 5 January 2018 18:54 (six years ago) link
thought equanimity was funny. haven't watched the next one. I understand why Tyler is unsatisfied with Dave's evolution on the topic, but I'm not sure that a step function sort of evolution from last special to this one would be more effective at pulling more fans along for Dave's ride. But perhaps that is an incorrect or less worthy objective.
― Scatperson (ski-ba-bop-ba-dop-whore.) (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 5 January 2018 19:23 (six years ago) link
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I took it to imply that capitalism will wring every bit of humanity out of you, so he got out while he could
I thought the new ones were mostly bad, especially the second one which didn’t have any laughs and was basically appalling. he tries to houdini his way out of some pretty ugly setups, and to his credit it almost works a couple of times, but what he has to offer is not really worth an hour’s time in 2018. he’s a sad old man
― k3vin k., Friday, 5 January 2018 20:49 (six years ago) link
i'm not sure which special is which... the one where he's actually standing up i thought was pretty funny, way better than the two from last year.
the more casual one in LA... i dunno there wasn't a whole lot to like there but i feel like the outrage articles about what he's saying don't quite capture the tone of the set which i thought was kind of approachable even if a lot of what he was saying was borderline appalling logically.
i find his baseline inability to recognize/acknowledge the general concept of intersectionality to be pretty disappointing, especially when it comes to the separation of trans and black people as if there aren't a whole lot of people who are both. there's a gap in his thinking there that i find really hard to square with given how perceptive he is (was) on a lot of other issues.
also that he's a PC culture warrior arguing that telling bad jokes about trans ppl is the bravest thing anyone can do for free speech is really off putting to me but sadly it's kind of the price of admission for watching comedy nowadays.
― J0rdan S., Friday, 5 January 2018 21:37 (six years ago) link
all of that otm, my feelings exactly. the "second one" was the one where he was sitting down, yeah
― k3vin k., Friday, 5 January 2018 21:43 (six years ago) link
feel like if you're thinking about a comedian's "baseline ability to recognize/acknowledge the general concept of intersectionality", comedy just isn't for you
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 5 January 2018 21:50 (six years ago) link
Uh no, if the whole point of the bit is to talk about these things, then I don't know how you can not think about it.
― change display name (Jordan), Friday, 5 January 2018 21:59 (six years ago) link
I thought he basically recognized intersectionality in the "first one". He admits that part of his slow evolution wrt to this is due to suspicion related to how a white male can identify as trans. So he recognizes a kind of weighted intersectionality, which wouldn't be entirely incorrect? The bit about Rachel Dolezal also acknowledged a weighted intersectionality.
― Scatperson (ski-ba-bop-ba-dop-whore.) (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 5 January 2018 22:02 (six years ago) link
It is difficult to think of a piece of entertainment that is more about intersectionality than Dave Chappelle's standup. Nearly every bit he does in the "first one" deals in it.
― Scatperson (ski-ba-bop-ba-dop-whore.) (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 5 January 2018 22:18 (six years ago) link
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, January 5, 2018 4:50 PM (twenty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark
feel like if you're unable to realize why one might expect dave chappelle to recognize/acknowledge the general concept of intersectionality, dave chappelle just isn't for you
― J0rdan S., Friday, 5 January 2018 22:21 (six years ago) link
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, January 5, 2018 4:50 PM (thirty-three minutes ago)
if you're going to tackle these issues in your standup, there is an expectation that you've given some serious thought to it. if he has nothing of substance to say, talk about something else
― k3vin k., Friday, 5 January 2018 22:25 (six years ago) link
people have been bringing a lot of expectations to stand up as of late
― mag gerwig! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 5 January 2018 22:26 (six years ago) link
times have changed, dad
― k3vin k., Friday, 5 January 2018 22:27 (six years ago) link
yes, as evidenced by the arenas of people in every city walking out en masse when Chappelle tells a joke about transgender ppl
― mag gerwig! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 5 January 2018 22:29 (six years ago) link
Also, Jordan otm
clearly, by choosing to focus on caitlyn jenner in these jokes, he has failed to acknowledge intersectionality
― Scatperson (ski-ba-bop-ba-dop-whore.) (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 5 January 2018 22:32 (six years ago) link
that said as sufjan mentioned the first hour was not awful -- he definitely makes some interesting points about being a black man watching the world suddenly appear to make an effort to treat women, gays, transgender people etc with the respect they're due and feeling forgotten about. but every almost-interesting point he makes is sandwiched by the sort of shit you might see on redial
xps
― k3vin k., Friday, 5 January 2018 22:32 (six years ago) link
chapelle def gets ilxors to turn gamergater in a way no one else can
― Joan Digimon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 5 January 2018 22:41 (six years ago) link
i don't think my expectations personally of chappelle have changed... but his act certainly has. if he wants to do sets that don't constantly orbit around and return to trans issues then i have no problem putting my expectations regarding his understanding of intersectionality aside.
― J0rdan S., Friday, 5 January 2018 22:41 (six years ago) link
the whole trans bit in the first ep seemed like the Louis ep coming to terms with "f****t" thing except Chappelle still doesn't totally get what he's doing wrong
― mag gerwig! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 5 January 2018 22:46 (six years ago) link
also it's not like he's just telling jokes about trans people. he is laying out an ideology and trying to convince people to see the world the way he sees it using humor as just one tool. he's trying to engage in a dialogue about this stuff, as evidenced by the fact that he has a whole section in one of these specials where he responds to a fan letter about his trans jokes. the "it's just stand up bruv" thing doesn't really fly for me in this case.
― J0rdan S., Friday, 5 January 2018 22:50 (six years ago) link
yeah I think that gets to the heart of the issue -- with louis CK's comedy you felt like he "got it", even if he sometimes took a questionable route to get there. but with chappelle's recent stuff it's clear he has a ways to go, or is maybe just not a good person
(not that CK, obviously, is a model of morality)
― k3vin k., Friday, 5 January 2018 22:51 (six years ago) link
also jordan otm
the other issue was that there were just not that many funny moments!
this shit is so tiresome. don't you get tired of it? it's tiresome
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 5 January 2018 22:54 (six years ago) link
yeah jord otm, dave doesn’t seem to be wrestling with the issue or coming to terms so much as just mining his own ignorance for comedy
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 5 January 2018 22:55 (six years ago) link
I imagine that Dave Chappelle, having collected so much data by now, has a very good idea of what will make most people laugh. And his audience is "most people." So I doubt that everything he says on stage reflects his full range of thinking or even his best thinking on a topic. What comes out on stage is probably more like an image of "most people" passed through a Dave Chappelle filter. and if he puts too much of himself in it, he'll no longer be a comedian for "most people." Ideally, he tries to give them a world view they can subscribe to that is at least slightly better than the current mean with confidence that those above the mean are smart enough not to regress. that will require recognizing some limitations of the medium.
― Scatperson (ski-ba-bop-ba-dop-whore.) (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 5 January 2018 22:56 (six years ago) link
oh well we must force him to wrestle with the issue or he gets no dessert, straight to bed for him
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 5 January 2018 22:57 (six years ago) link
it's definitely true that the current climate makes things harder on comedians: the low-lying fruit, the jokes that wrote themselves about easy targets, now seem to require a lot more care. but that is a problem for comedians to solve, not for audiences to accommodate
― k3vin k., Friday, 5 January 2018 22:59 (six years ago) link
anyway I doubt chappelle cares that much, he seems like a pretty miserable person and is very rich! and if these two specials indicate anything he is pretty happy at this stage in his career to collect his checks
― k3vin k., Friday, 5 January 2018 23:00 (six years ago) link
that whole post checks out
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Friday, 5 January 2018 23:01 (six years ago) link
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, January 5, 2018 4:57 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
speaking of tiresome
― Joan Digimon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 5 January 2018 23:01 (six years ago) link
what a horrible person he does things for money
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 5 January 2018 23:01 (six years ago) link
he usually brings up how rich he is in the context of intersectionality!
― Scatperson (ski-ba-bop-ba-dop-whore.) (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 5 January 2018 23:04 (six years ago) link
god I sure hope I'm tiresome to you sanctimonious fucks
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 5 January 2018 23:07 (six years ago) link
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, January 5, 2018 5:57 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark
nobody is forcing or even asking dave chappelle to wrestle with trans issues? it's his choice, and he's getting paid an insane amount of money to do so. your expectations for both him and yourself seem pretty low honestly.
― J0rdan S., Friday, 5 January 2018 23:07 (six years ago) link
actually on the contrary i would prefer to turn on a dave chappelle special and not hear him wrestle with trans stuff. but if he's going to then...
― J0rdan S., Friday, 5 January 2018 23:08 (six years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Friday, January 5, 2018 3:08 PM (six seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah basically this exactly where I'm coming from. his trans bits in the last round of netflix specials were just really 4chan or someone's racist uncle at the xmas dinner table level stuff: dead-naming, using the slur trannies repeatedly - and then when trying to be less offensive for a second or two saying "transgendered" (which is also incorrect which chapelle would know if he gave two shits) - and talking about dicks etc. it's not funny, it's not thoughtful, and it's bigoted. i hope this shit is going age horrendously and the next generations will look back and think "woah early 21st century people were into some really offensive shit" but, i dunno, that's probably too optimistic
― khat person (jim in vancouver), Friday, 5 January 2018 23:13 (six years ago) link
comedians tend to want things both ways (i think CK and Stewart were super bad about this) it's like they love being treated as big important artists -- Chapelle's Block Party was completely designed to cast him as a cultural icon -- and little philosophers, but then when people push back it's like "Hey hey hey I'm just a comedian don't listen to me I'm just jokin' around!" (in fairness I'm probably projecting some of my ire at Stewart on to Chapelle here but I think it's true of both)
― Joan Digimon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 5 January 2018 23:23 (six years ago) link
xp yeah, but his reaction to that belongs in an apology (which is where he put it) and not next year's special. as a reaction, he could have transformed into mike birbiglia. but the people who like mike birbiglia already have mike birbiglia, and he will leave some of his audience behind by becoming mike birbiglia. you could take the negative view that he doesn't want to lose that audience because he wants there money. you could take a more optimistic view that he loves that audience, is loyal to them, and wants to bring them along as his thinking evolves.
― Scatperson (ski-ba-bop-ba-dop-whore.) (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 5 January 2018 23:28 (six years ago) link
*their money obv
― J0rdan S., Friday, January 5, 2018 6:08 PM (thirty-eight minutes ago)
this!!!
― k3vin k., Friday, 5 January 2018 23:48 (six years ago) link
― Scatperson (ski-ba-bop-ba-dop-whore.) (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, January 5, 2018 3:28 PM (fifteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
chapelle was never a particularly offensive or transgressive comedian before this comeback iirc and there's a large distance between being grossly transphobic and being a milquetoast bore like birbiglia.
― khat person (jim in vancouver), Friday, 5 January 2018 23:48 (six years ago) link
yeah it’s not exactly stay in yr lane but maybe just don’t shit on a whole section of the population just to make hay out of how you don’t “get” themunless you are making fun of how dumb you are for even bringing it up idk
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 6 January 2018 00:06 (six years ago) link
In my friend group if someone says, like, "cis," there are some major blank looks. They look to guys like Chappelle and Norm MacDonald -- or Bill Maher or Joe Rogan, etc. -- to weigh in: Is this just political correctness run amok, taken to an absurd extreme, or is it a worthwhile idea to differentiate between the sex you're born with and the gender you express? They don't know a trans person irl. And when Chappelle says that the answer is that trans people are gross and that it's appropriate to make fun of them, that a trans woman is just a confused guy, that Caitlyn is inherently Bruce, that these issues are a bit silly, it has a pretty major effect on a lot of people and their thinking. It's irrelevant that it's coming from a comedian. Coming from a respected public figure the idea has incredible currency.
And when it's coming from Nick Di Paolo I think, "This is basically what this guy has always been preaching" and I roll my eyes. But with Chappelle it feels like his heart has shrunk a little bit, that the guy who wanted to throw the block party doesn't necessarily want everyone to come anymore.
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Saturday, 6 January 2018 00:23 (six years ago) link
^^^ ding ding dingthis exactly
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 6 January 2018 00:27 (six years ago) link
yep
good to remember not to project our values onto the people we admire
― k3vin k., Saturday, 6 January 2018 00:29 (six years ago) link
did you just yep your ding ding?
― Scatperson (ski-ba-bop-ba-dop-whore.) (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 6 January 2018 00:33 (six years ago) link
good post polyphonic
also i dunno aside from those concerns, like transphobic stuff like caitlyn jenner shit just seems so lame and old fashioned like some fuckin hacky jay leno monologue from 1998 or some shit, like just beneath someone of chapelle's talents
― Joan Digimon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 6 January 2018 01:00 (six years ago) link
I somehow thought k3vin wrote polyphonic's post
― Scatperson (ski-ba-bop-ba-dop-whore.) (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 6 January 2018 01:25 (six years ago) link
yeah I was wondering how to respond to that, haha. all good
― k3vin k., Saturday, 6 January 2018 01:31 (six years ago) link
how can anyone even think about anything he's saying when his jacket choices continue to be so weirdly ill-fitting
the guy cannot not wear weird clothes
― del griffith, Saturday, 6 January 2018 01:50 (six years ago) link
i just kept staring at the e-cig and the real cigs in both specials. it's all i could look at. it makes me nervous when people hold cigarettes and don't smoke them for some reason. and when people just hold an unlit cigarette and take four years to light it while they're talking. but that's just me. and, yeah, that big C jacket was lame.
― scott seward, Saturday, 6 January 2018 15:55 (six years ago) link
― k3vin k., Friday, January 5, 2018 3:49 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i disagree. i took it as him saying he was the bottom to the coldblooded culture industry's pimp -- a powerful explanation for why he quit his show
― reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 6 January 2018 15:58 (six years ago) link
yeah i considered both of those but still wasn't really sure
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Saturday, 6 January 2018 16:03 (six years ago) link
briefly considered that maybe he even meant he's Iceberg and the audience is the bottom but tbh i was pretty high when i watched it
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Saturday, 6 January 2018 16:05 (six years ago) link
the first one is pretty good overallthe second one is really...off... like borderline not even a comedy special
― Joan Digimon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 6 January 2018 22:59 (six years ago) link
I fell asleep during the third one 3 nights in a row. Think I have 4 minutes left. Might not finish it cos it wasn’t v funny. Think Between the 4 new specials there’s prob like 45 mins worth of p good material
― Spottie, Saturday, 6 January 2018 23:15 (six years ago) link
i watched both of these and... yeah... he says some rough stuff. now i'm not gonna be surprised if people get upset at the new stuff. it seems like he is pretty critical of the #metoo movement and at times more than a little cruel towards victims imo. but i still think he has the right to say what is on his mind and to expect otherwise seems counterproductive. there shouldn't be an expectation for him to suddenly discard a life's worth of behaviors and socially ingrained belief systems and become an expert in this one ideology. there is value in letting an old fart say what is on his mind and have people publicly say "We don't care if you were a hero you can't get away w that and here is why"
he is from an older era and is using these older reference points. like that Pimp book seems like a very 70's civil rights, something that will immediately trigger a modern audience. i don't think this is intentional and this is just a book he was aware of through his older cultural touchstones and thought was relevant. cos he saw the Weinstein stuff as the same thing these pimps were doing. the pimp had used the money to pay off all of the enablers that helped him break this already broken woman. all the money that was only being made due to the hard work of the exploited woman. Hollywood is pimps seems to be what he is saying.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 6 January 2018 23:52 (six years ago) link
xpost yeah he also just seems really... lazy and disengaged a lot of times like the final one there are so many times when he just seems to be rambling only sort of making semi gestures towards actual jokes or bits
― Joan Digimon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 7 January 2018 03:01 (six years ago) link
Yah v half-baked, if you will.
― Spottie, Sunday, 7 January 2018 04:22 (six years ago) link
OK, I watched the second/fourth one and, like, I can understand some measure of disappointment that this, like, FOUR FUCKING HOURS of comedy specials released in the span of a single year aren't put together like the C.K./Oswalt model of "this is my hottest hour of material that I've workshopped and finessed on the road for a year," but like I don't see why its so hard to adjust your expectations for a little rambling/free-form from the most naturally hilarious guy on the planet in a world where the Onion A/V Club is like pressuring people to listen to 18 hours of fucking Earwolf comedy podcasts. Even when he's just, like, telling the plot of the Iceberg Slim book for 10 minutes or whatever, he's a transfixing speaker and hilarious guy, even if he's not doing a standard "set"
idk, like, I obviously would never ever ever fault or question someone for saying that Chappelle's trans/rape/gay material upsets their moral compass to the point where they don't want to listen to the guy.
But I really don't understand the upper mississippi/Spottie/Neaderthal criticism that these specials aren't "funny." Like if Dave Chappelle isn't funny, I would love to know what recent comedy things they think is funny.
― mag gerwig! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 8 January 2018 17:45 (six years ago) link
how many times did you laugh during the second new special? I can't remember laughing at anything actually original, i.e. something other than "haha, this white guy knows what a bottom b---- is"
― k3vin k., Monday, 8 January 2018 18:00 (six years ago) link
please write down a number that you think would be an appropriate cutoff for deciding whether or not Dave Chappelle's new special was funny and mail it to a mod before I reveal how many times I laughed. all done? ok. I laughed 1 million times.
― Scatperson (ski-ba-bop-ba-dop-whore.) (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 8 January 2018 18:07 (six years ago) link
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 5 January 2018 23:07 (three days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
<3
― remember the lmao (darraghmac), Monday, 8 January 2018 18:48 (six years ago) link
in a world where the Onion A/V Club is like pressuring people to listen to 18 hours of fucking Earwolf comedy podcasts.
i have no idea what any of this means i don't listen to comedy podcast i've listened to like maybe 10 maron episodes and half weren't comedians
i dunno, i thought that the comedy special "nice lady" by michelle wolf on HBO was very funny, that's one recent one that i watched. i thought it was better than any of these dave chapelle shows. but i'm not dr. comedy, md.
― Joan Digimon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 8 January 2018 19:36 (six years ago) link
i liked ali wong baby cobra and mike birbiglia thank god for jokes too, i liked those as much or more than the chappelle ones
i just kinda watch random ones on netflix or hbo
― Joan Digimon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 8 January 2018 19:38 (six years ago) link
i liked (the poorly-named) "Kevin Hart Presents Keith Robinson: Back of the Bus Funny"
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Monday, 8 January 2018 21:01 (six years ago) link
wouldn't you have a normal last name and just a doctorate in comedy instead of medicine?
― Scatperson (ski-ba-bop-ba-dop-whore.) (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 8 January 2018 21:27 (six years ago) link
laughter is the best medicine
― Joan Digimon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 01:44 (six years ago) link
^ otm
― kolakube (Ross), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 01:46 (six years ago) link
would photoshop* a prescription for Chappelle but i don't do that anymore
*edit in powerpoint
― Scatperson (ski-ba-bop-ba-dop-whore.) (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 03:03 (six years ago) link
new netflix is not funny and just lazy tbh
― theRZA the JZA and the NDB (darraghmac), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 13:23 (four years ago) link
dunno if I want to hear another comedian claim that we should go easy on Louie CK cuz what he did "wasn't all that bad"
― frogbs, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 14:10 (four years ago) link
yeah lasted about 10 minutes
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 14:15 (four years ago) link
as time goes by it gets weirder and weirder for me to remember that he got super famous from doing a sketch comedy show where he wore wacky wigs and shit
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 14:58 (four years ago) link
When I saw him a couple of years ago it felt more like hanging out with someone that sometimes says funny things than it did seeing standup. There was no real rhythm to the delivery.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 15:00 (four years ago) link
this one is front-loaded with a bunch of obnoxious shit. The most glaring one to me wasn't the Michael Jackson or LGBT-car-trip jokes - it was the "what if I said I was a Chinese person that was trapped in a black man's body" bit (which he later says his own Asian wife finds offensive!) I don't think his comic chops have diminished at all, even the MJ shit is basically just a set-up for a p funny McAuley Culkin joke, but it's sad that he feels compelled to return to "controversial" topics on which he doesn't have anything insightful to say. I mean, the Culkin joke is funny, but it's also super-lazy. I think he's better with the more personal sort of long-form shaggy-dog-type stories that turn out to be really carefully constructed but in this special that stuff is undercut by his compulsion to "push the envelope" or whatever.
It's also sad to a comedian (or any public figure really) complaining about audience feedback in terms of "cancellation culture"/#metoo/pick yr "online movement". Cuz those complaints all boil down to "I liked it better when I didn't have to listen to other people". Social media has lowered the bar to the effort required for an audience to provide feedback, so now it's out there. Get over it.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 15:17 (four years ago) link
sad to SEE
I turned this off in anger the other night, about the same time as ums
― FUCK YOUR POTATO (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 15:19 (four years ago) link
take the opposite view tbh xp
topics and views expressed are whatever, the shit isnt funny or clever
― theRZA the JZA and the NDB (darraghmac), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 15:20 (four years ago) link
did a rapping Irishman just son Dave CHappelle in an online beef
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 15:24 (four years ago) link
if thats what the discourse dictates happened i cant fight that
― theRZA the JZA and the NDB (darraghmac), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 15:25 (four years ago) link
you otm tho
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 15:39 (four years ago) link
for a guy who leans so hard into the whole above it all macho-comedian-as-philosopher-truthteller persona he really seems to get mad abt twitter stuff a lot
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 15:41 (four years ago) link
macho? that doesn't seem right
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 15:42 (four years ago) link
So if we, the Netflix viewers, don't like what he says on Netflix, that's our fault ("you clicked on my face"). But he, a HBO viewer didn't like what HBO said about Michael Jackson, and that HBO's fault? Like, "I felt like HBO was sticking baby dicks in my ear for four hours straight", and "I don't want to know all these things". So, audience feedback is only valid if the audience member is also a performer?
― trishyb, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 15:55 (four years ago) link
I should point out that that's not really a serious question, but yeah, like a lot of others, I made it about 15 minutes into this and couldn't stomach any more. I'm sure Chapelle is really upset to have lost my custom.
― trishyb, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 16:09 (four years ago) link
otm it's always such a bad faith argument
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 16:09 (four years ago) link
really? so much of his thing now is complaining about how women & gay ppl should stfu while wearing weird military-style jumpsuits, definitely a lot of weird macho energy in his persona imo
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 16:21 (four years ago) link
macho is surely understood as a mode of delivery
crank, sure
― theRZA the JZA and the NDB (darraghmac), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 16:26 (four years ago) link
...he weightlifts and almost never acts goofy, which had been big part of his comedic schtick
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 16:31 (four years ago) link
def hes gone more "dad of teenagers", tbh ive not seen him with his top off
― theRZA the JZA and the NDB (darraghmac), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 16:33 (four years ago) link
― wario in the streets, waluigi in the sheets (m bison), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 16:35 (four years ago) link
he'd be funnier if he changed his physical form in a way that I find more appealing
― del griffith, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 16:41 (four years ago) link
how long into this does he get into having a go at those damn "trannies"?
― Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 16:43 (four years ago) link
This is the crucial point, really.
― Pauline Male (Eric H.), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 16:54 (four years ago) link
I get how this can all work under the guise of the comedy of discomfort, but if you're already preempting objection, you're reinforcing the notion that ties it in explicitly with "not having a sense of humor." Which is a really closed-off position to work from in stand-up.
― Pauline Male (Eric H.), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 16:57 (four years ago) link
Yeah, I mean, from a strictly political/ethical standpoint the "celebrities are under attack" stance is dumb, the MJ truther stuff is irresponsible, the focus on trans people is getting to be a weird compulsion. He went from being a truthteller to a shock comic and it certainly lessens the impact of "Dave Chappelle, Cultural Icon"
That all said, like 80% of the special is laugh out loud hilarious and I think it's insane that people are trying to use "Dave's not funny anymore" as an actual argument
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 17:03 (four years ago) link
about 30 minutes
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 17:04 (four years ago) link
Whiney otm altho I'd put the hit-rate percentage a little lower personally (more like 60%, and mostly in the back half of the set)
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 17:05 (four years ago) link
like, all the stuff about guns/gun culture is v good
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 17:06 (four years ago) link
Dave's not at all insightful or even really speaking truth-to-power as much, but there's very few people on earth that can make me laugh as hard.
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 17:06 (four years ago) link
there was two laughs as far as i got into it (mentioned jussie smollett) and i forget both of them
― theRZA the JZA and the NDB (darraghmac), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 17:08 (four years ago) link
v telling that if you search his name on Twitter (I do this to myself, I know), the ratio of people who actually want to "cancel" him (i.e. air any objections) to people who are like, "Dave has DESTROYED PC/cancel culture!!!"/"Dave doesn't give a fuuuuck!" is like 1:20 so it's just a bunch of people puffing out their chests at each other
also, the comedian who walked away from $$$$$ because he thought that white people were laughing at, not with him, to becoming this edgelord prick is incredibly fucking depressing, whether he's still funny or not
― self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 17:11 (four years ago) link
By the time the Q&A plays at the end of the special, Chappelle has already shown his unapologetic approach to courting controversy. His answers put that into even starker view. He says that a white woman left one of his practice sets for the special at The Punchline comedy club in San Francisco, telling him, "I'm sorry, I was raped." Chappelle says he replied with "It's not your fault you were raped. But it's not my fault either. Ta-ta, bitch," to which the audience laughs raucously, as though that were a real punchline.
Very cool! Good job, Dave.
― del griffith, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 17:19 (four years ago) link
lso, the comedian who walked away from $$$$$ because he thought that white people were laughing at, not with him, to becoming this edgelord prick is incredibly fucking depressing, whether he's still funny or not
so OTM, this is on my mind whenever he comes up
― “Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 17:24 (four years ago) link
this shit sucked, a lot of funny moments but on the whole it just left a bad taste in my mouth
― boobie, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 18:11 (four years ago) link
same
― k3vin k., Thursday, 29 August 2019 11:37 (four years ago) link
Part of me just thinks he was trying to be as annoying as possible during this special as a fuck you to netflix and anyone giving him money for that shit.
also, i love 'cancel culture' but not the stupid term. who has time for all these assholes.
― Yerac, Thursday, 29 August 2019 13:29 (four years ago) link
Ok watched the all the way throughJust terrible honestly not one funny thing
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 5 September 2019 20:58 (four years ago) link
ums, if you don't find the gun riff funny please tell me what stand-up specials in the last 5 years are actually funny
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 5 September 2019 21:10 (four years ago) link
yeah the junkie break-in/gun story is def funny
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 5 September 2019 21:13 (four years ago) link
I laughed when he kept talking about this french actor, Juicy Smollé. The second half was far better than the first half.
― Yerac, Thursday, 5 September 2019 21:16 (four years ago) link
I found a lot of the problematic stuff technically "funny" even though I agree that it's problematic/punching down/ethically bad.
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 5 September 2019 21:20 (four years ago) link
stuff like the LGBT car trip I was just like... c'mon Dave, why do you feel this is necessary?
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 5 September 2019 21:31 (four years ago) link
oh man, that was definitely not even a little funny.
― Yerac, Thursday, 5 September 2019 21:32 (four years ago) link
I'm guessing he feels it was "necessary" because of the negative criticism his past jokes about LGBT received. He's not gonna let the PC twitter mob stifle is comedic freedom!!
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 5 September 2019 21:38 (four years ago) link
its really sad how the PC police have shut down comedians like Dave Chappelle, you barely hear about them anymore
― frogbs, Thursday, 5 September 2019 22:25 (four years ago) link
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, September 5, 2019 4:10 PM (six hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
NEVER!!!!
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 6 September 2019 03:47 (four years ago) link
Hahahahahahahahaha
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Friday, 6 September 2019 05:10 (four years ago) link
I still crack up at his "exasperated" voice ("Rope?!") and found moments in the new one hilarious, but his standup is less physical than it used to be, there are fewer stories where he plays different characters, he doesn't bound around the stage like he did when he was younger. Bulking up has changed his delivery — that loose, light, cartoonish quality is mostly gone, and it's one of the things I loved most about him in the early days.
― dinnerboat, Friday, 6 September 2019 17:27 (four years ago) link
totally agree...that gets back to the discussion upthread of his current macho persona. I suppose it's foolish to expect him to be the same at 46 as he was at 30, but it's not a minor change imo. Very different performer now.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 6 September 2019 17:41 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tR6mKcBbT4
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 12 June 2020 12:43 (three years ago) link
His actual comeback special didn't do much for me, but this is really something else. I hope he does more of these - and I would not have anticipated my saying that even a few months ago.
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Friday, 12 June 2020 14:58 (three years ago) link
This is unbelievable. Holy shit.
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Friday, 12 June 2020 15:40 (three years ago) link
yeah, wow"fuck everyone in staten island except the wu tang clan" is bound to be a rallying cry in nyc
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 12 June 2020 16:43 (three years ago) link
well this puts a smile on my face. can't wait to watch it.
― Dig Dug the police (Neanderthal), Friday, 12 June 2020 16:45 (three years ago) link
omg I hear Tribe's "Stressed Out" in the background at the beginning <3
― Dig Dug the police (Neanderthal), Friday, 12 June 2020 16:47 (three years ago) link
man, that kicked my ass.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 12 June 2020 16:52 (three years ago) link
It's really good.
― Night of the Living Crustheads (PBKR), Friday, 12 June 2020 16:52 (three years ago) link
wow. standing O, Dave.
glad i got to see that today.
― Dig Dug the police (Neanderthal), Friday, 12 June 2020 17:16 (three years ago) link
this was really good
― Spottie, Friday, 12 June 2020 17:20 (three years ago) link
the Ja Rule callback
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 12 June 2020 18:34 (three years ago) link
Damn. Yeah, that was incredible.
― pomenitul, Friday, 12 June 2020 18:35 (three years ago) link
The way he keeps coming back to the 8:46 is devastating in highlighting the senseless horror of it all.
― Night of the Living Crustheads (PBKR), Friday, 12 June 2020 18:39 (three years ago) link
this was really powerfulappreciated that the crowd seemed attentive even though it wasn't necessarily a comedy special
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 12 June 2020 19:04 (three years ago) link
already saw a clip of Don Lemon reacting appreciatively to his little nod in this special. he's glad to be "memorialized" by it and extends an invitation to Dave to come on his show! what a nice guy
Candace Owens probably a little less flattered by the new attention this will bring her via thousands of angry young men curious to find out whether or not she really does have a particularly odorous vagina
― the burrito that defined a generation, Friday, 12 June 2020 19:12 (three years ago) link
she played it well in her post about it
― Spottie, Friday, 12 June 2020 21:48 (three years ago) link
<i>she played it well in her post about it</i>
Really? It reads to me like she's thrilled to get any kind of attention from anybody because it's all she wants in life.
― Johnny Fever, Saturday, 13 June 2020 02:58 (three years ago) link
That makes her smart like Trump. Attention can be monetized. Even getting justifiably slagged off to a million people can be used to increase your income, assuming you don't mind getting justifiably slagged off to a million people who will start to hate you (but remotely).
― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 13 June 2020 03:03 (three years ago) link
I'm watching this again
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Saturday, 13 June 2020 03:18 (three years ago) link
/she played it well in her post about it/Really? It reads to me like she's thrilled to get any kind of attention from anybody because it's all she wants in life.
― Spottie, Saturday, 13 June 2020 04:50 (three years ago) link
It took me all day to watch this in small increments.
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Saturday, 13 June 2020 05:04 (three years ago) link
yeah I still need to get through all of this, it is extremely heavy
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Saturday, 13 June 2020 05:53 (three years ago) link
that last couple of minutes tying it all together is just... stunning
― Prosecutor Bradley Tankerton (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 13 June 2020 07:53 (three years ago) link
God damn that was amazing
― frogbs, Saturday, 13 June 2020 14:02 (three years ago) link
I really wanna see this due to all the praise but I'm finding it hard to press play due to his callousness towards trans people in the past few years
― self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Saturday, 13 June 2020 14:28 (three years ago) link
yeah, understandable. it's in a completely different lane, just about his pain and his community's pain.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Saturday, 13 June 2020 14:28 (three years ago) link
of course as soon as i say thathttps://www.vulture.com/2020/06/dave-chappelle-846-is-powerful-but-not-quite-perfect.html
Overnight, an eagle-eyed Twitter user noticed a discrepancy between the closed captioning and the audio and video of the 8:46 performance, which currently lives on Netflix’s comedy channel on YouTube, specifically in the section on Don Lemon. At the 7:45 mark in the audio and video, Chappelle calls the CNN host’s show a “hotbed of reality” with a laugh, takes a sip of his drink, then the camera cuts to the audience and back to him telling the story about being called out on the air for his presumed silence on Minneapolis. The clip posted to Twitter shows a riff in the closed captioning that isn’t present in the video: “Don Lemon is a funny newscaster because he’s clearly gay, but … he’s the anomaly. He’s black and gay, but unlike my other black and gay friends, he’s got this weird self-righteousness …” Then it shows Chappelle preparing to do an impression of the anchor, which tracks with the silly voice he puts on at the 7:48 mark as he begins to recount what Lemon said on the air, which would suggest that a portion of the joke was cut that stayed in the closed captioning. By morning, as the clip spread on Twitter, captioning on 8:46 was disabled. Later in the day it was restored, but the words jump ahead of Chappelle by one line right at the section in question. (Vulture reached out to Netflix and is still awaiting comment.)What happened here? What changed in a week? Is Chappelle just incapable of going 30 minutes onstage without proclaiming that he doesn’t get what makes queer folks tick but suddenly net-savvy enough to know to filter himself now? Or did he pull those lines because he’s beginning to see the light, because it undercuts his message about the chilling consistency of black pain and disenfranchisement across centuries to single out one subdivision of black man for ridicule?
What happened here? What changed in a week? Is Chappelle just incapable of going 30 minutes onstage without proclaiming that he doesn’t get what makes queer folks tick but suddenly net-savvy enough to know to filter himself now? Or did he pull those lines because he’s beginning to see the light, because it undercuts his message about the chilling consistency of black pain and disenfranchisement across centuries to single out one subdivision of black man for ridicule?
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Saturday, 13 June 2020 17:16 (three years ago) link
so the bieest problem with it is something that didn't make the cut?
we already knew chappelle is shall we say not terribly advanced on these issues
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Saturday, 13 June 2020 17:18 (three years ago) link
I don't begrudge anyone for not engaging w/ him but that complaint is silly season shit imo
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Saturday, 13 June 2020 17:22 (three years ago) link
i didn't think it was that special tbh but a lot of chappelle doesn't really hit for me. as far as lucid anger goes the kimberly jones video really connected with / shook me.
― crystal-brained yogahead (map), Saturday, 13 June 2020 17:25 (three years ago) link
Will check that out. I thought the Chappelle set was incredible, watched it this morning terribly hungover. They were right to cut that line imo
― What fash heil is this? (wins), Saturday, 13 June 2020 17:28 (three years ago) link
"Is Chappelle just incapable of going 30 minutes onstage without proclaiming that he doesn’t get what makes queer folks tick," is the complaint that seems notable here. It's tremendously powerful stuff otherwise.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Saturday, 13 June 2020 17:37 (three years ago) link
but he did go 30 minutes without doing it. he didn't do that bit
― Dig Dug the police (Neanderthal), Saturday, 13 June 2020 17:56 (three years ago) link
oh wait, they're saying they edited the video? hmm. that's different.
― Dig Dug the police (Neanderthal), Saturday, 13 June 2020 17:57 (three years ago) link
I initially thought maybe the captioning was written using an advanced written copy of the bit or something.
― Dig Dug the police (Neanderthal), Saturday, 13 June 2020 17:59 (three years ago) link
Is it different really
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Saturday, 13 June 2020 18:32 (three years ago) link
I mean in the context of the article, not so much "does it actually undercut the overarching message of the piece"
― Dig Dug the police (Neanderthal), Saturday, 13 June 2020 18:32 (three years ago) link
This felt historic.
On the more superficial side of things, if anyone else was wondering about that pavilion: https://www.dwell.com/home/the-wirrig-pavilion-4ac1055b
― ... (Eazy), Saturday, 13 June 2020 18:35 (three years ago) link
Ah xp
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Saturday, 13 June 2020 18:38 (three years ago) link
I'd been mostly trying to tune him out recently but I'm very glad I watched that, it really brought the pathos. He's right, I do trust him as an honest voice even if his views have become somewhat regressive.
― locked in a death spiral of vindictive gatekeeping (viborg), Saturday, 13 June 2020 18:42 (three years ago) link
That closer though.
He’s shit on lgbt people, but he spends a good portion of the set saying that his pronouncements are not the point, he is just some asshole celeb on stage and the movement is speaking for itself (sorry for inelegant paraphrase) so why keep in a line that will inevitably divert attention to a referendum on the character of Dave Chappelle? It was a good cut to make. Totally understand & support anyone who doesn’t want to give him attention due to hurtful things he’s said in the past obv
― What fash heil is this? (wins), Saturday, 13 June 2020 18:44 (three years ago) link
He’s shit on lgbt people
Yes.
My lukewarm take is that it's enough that he's one of the best speakers on racism in the United States. I don't need him in this or any other moment to be cogent or particularly inspiring on any other topic.
― Dirty Epic H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 13 June 2020 18:47 (three years ago) link
"Is Chappelle just incapable of going 30 minutes onstage without proclaiming that he doesn’t get what makes queer folks tick,"
The misogyny is hard to overlook, too. Still glad I watched this, though.
― Darin, Saturday, 13 June 2020 18:49 (three years ago) link
Totally understand & support anyone who doesn’t want to give him attention due to hurtful things he’s said in the past obv
Yep, definitely.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 13 June 2020 18:50 (three years ago) link
yeah that seems fair and accurate
― crystal-brained yogahead (map), Saturday, 13 June 2020 18:52 (three years ago) link
(Which is to say I agree with cutting the line. It'd distract from the point.)
― Dirty Epic H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 13 June 2020 18:54 (three years ago) link
Yeah totally agree with the lukewarm take. My instinctive take was that fixating on this one cut line was a little too close to “he was no angel” type arguments but I’m not sure that’s exactly fair. It extremely doesn’t matter what I think of course
― What fash heil is this? (wins), Saturday, 13 June 2020 18:59 (three years ago) link
Why isn’t this Netflix special on Netflix
― The Mandymoorian (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 16 June 2020 15:05 (three years ago) link
it's a good question. maybe they're worried it'll scare off some subscribers?
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 16 June 2020 15:48 (three years ago) link
I have no love for netflix, but I assumed it was because putting it on YT means it's free and available to non-subscribers (as other streaming services have done with some content). That said, why not do both? is a valid question
― dip to dup (rob), Tuesday, 16 June 2020 15:51 (three years ago) link
I'm guessing they're filming a one-hour special from these Ohio shows, and it doesn't hurt them at all to have this outside the paywall. Chappelle introduces this as less finished than what he usually puts out, whereas a finished special will be the more polished hour.
Part of the astonishing thing about this last week was seeing high production values of an event during quarantine, when we've gotten so used to musician/comedian Zooms from home. (Though last week's Austin fundraiser and John Prine tribute both had similar quality from the Ryman, Antone's, etc., even when the musicians were playing in an empty room.)
― ... (Eazy), Tuesday, 16 June 2020 16:21 (three years ago) link
there was just one camera iirc? cameras have gotten so good that one halfway competent wedding fotog could have filmed it imo
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 16 June 2020 16:24 (three years ago) link
there were crowd shots cut in too, so I assume at least one other camera?
― dip to dup (rob), Tuesday, 16 June 2020 17:05 (three years ago) link
yeah there were definitely a few cameras
I'm guessing they're filming a one-hour special from these Ohio shows, and it doesn't hurt them at all to have this outside the paywall.
idk this feels like a one-off thing to me, will all this stuff be topical 3 months down the line? plus it's a half-hour set that's gotten a zillion views already so idk if you can just repackage it again
― frogbs, Tuesday, 16 June 2020 17:08 (three years ago) link
will all this stuff be topical 3 months down the line?
.....yes?
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Tuesday, 16 June 2020 17:09 (three years ago) link
The Player Hater Awards sketch is a classic.― earlnash, Tuesday, January 20, 2004 4:29 AM (sixteen years ago)
Wish there was more of this. Just love when he says "the most diabolical haters this side of the Mississippi".
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 15 August 2020 17:50 (three years ago) link
I hadn't watched that in years, and it was so sad to see Charlie Murphy and Patrice O'Neal there in the same scene. RIP, they were hilarious.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 15 August 2020 18:05 (three years ago) link
The voice Chappelle does is just so brilliant, I could listen to audiobooks read by him like that.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 15 August 2020 18:43 (three years ago) link
I hope the bad things of the world happened to you and only YOUUUUUUUUUU
― popeye's arse (Neanderthal), Saturday, 15 August 2020 18:44 (three years ago) link
Yeah, that's my other favorite bit.
Can't get that voice out of my head when I'm reading and I can't decide how I feel about that.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 15 August 2020 22:26 (three years ago) link
iwill all this stuff be topical 3 months down the line?
― pplains, Saturday, 10 October 2020 04:23 (three years ago) link
Chappelle's show headed to Netflix as of.....well...today!
― Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Sunday, 1 November 2020 04:34 (three years ago) link
nice
― the burrito that defined a generation, Sunday, 1 November 2020 04:36 (three years ago) link
watched a few eps of Chappelle's Show this weekend which was a bizarre experience since I've seen them all a dozen times but not since like, 2005. still funny but man I forgot how many very specific references there were to 2002-2004 pop culture stuff, like idk how I'd even explain some of this to a younger generation. the "lost season" where a couple of the bit guys wound up hosting the show while Chappelle was MIA was such a bizarre moment. I wonder how Dave felt about that.
― frogbs, Monday, 30 August 2021 15:33 (two years ago) link
Imagine a show now that would have expected its audience to have watched the modern equivalent of "Making the Band"
― the 45-year-old gaz coomber (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 30 August 2021 15:40 (two years ago) link
I wonder how Dave felt about that.
He wasn't happy about it. At the time, he called the airing of the "lost" episodes a "bully move."
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 30 August 2021 16:48 (two years ago) link
there's a long bit on "Unforgiven" about what happened with the show and how he got screwed over and it's riveting listening but it's also pretty difficult to see this guy as a victim. like when he does these jokes about how we shouldn't stream Chappelle's Show because he doesn't get paid or "you will never get your money back" about when he bombed in Detroit are we supposed to forget that he's insanely rich & has been one of the most successful and well-known comedians on the planet for over two decades, despite literally disappearing for something like 12 years?
― frogbs, Monday, 30 August 2021 17:18 (two years ago) link
Was it really 12 years?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 30 August 2021 17:27 (two years ago) link
I was calculating the length of time between Chappelle's Show and the Netflix specials, I forgot he did that tour with Flight of the Conchords in 2013. I guess his real public comeback was SNL in 2016, where he said "I'll give Donald Trump a chance"? (which I know he says he regrets, still a monumentally stupid thing to say)
― frogbs, Tuesday, 31 August 2021 01:49 (two years ago) link
When was his Block Party thing, 2007?
― papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 31 August 2021 01:57 (two years ago) link
2005, during Chapelle's Show
― Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Tuesday, 31 August 2021 04:20 (two years ago) link
its kind of weird to think about that now, given how much of his persona today is just not giving a shit about anyone or anything
― frogbs, Tuesday, 31 August 2021 13:31 (two years ago) link
random question, anybody know why there's one ep of Chappelle's Show that's not available? like even though it's streaming, there's one episode missing - the only sketch I remember from it was "what if the Internet was a store?" or something like that.
it'll never come back now that Ron Jeremy is in it, but it's been gone since before that indictment.
― Duke Detain (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 31 August 2021 14:11 (two years ago) link
Clayton NIMBY
― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 10 February 2022 03:00 (two years ago) link