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is it really going to be dismantled?

D Aziz (esquire1983), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:03 (sixteen years ago) link

Fox is buying it, I think.

andy, Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:05 (sixteen years ago) link

finally a FAIR and BALANCED view

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:05 (sixteen years ago) link

Both the BBC and Freaky Trigger websites have been unavailable for the last hour. I think this is clearly ominous.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:37 (sixteen years ago) link

that's not true

run it off (run it off), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:43 (sixteen years ago) link

OK, it's back now.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:51 (sixteen years ago) link

is any of this true?

run it off (run it off), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:52 (sixteen years ago) link

What - you mean is the BBC being dismantled or have I been unable to access the BBC and FT for the last hour?

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:54 (sixteen years ago) link

the BBC being dismantled...

run it off (run it off), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:58 (sixteen years ago) link

Well, they're probably making changes to the corporate governance. I don't really equate that with dismantling, so no.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 01:01 (sixteen years ago) link

probably?

run it off (run it off), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 01:03 (sixteen years ago) link

Well that's the impression I've got. I don't think many people think the current system of governors is that great. Maybe I'm wrong - I haven't been following it that closely - you probably know as much as me. I'll shut up now.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 01:05 (sixteen years ago) link

Sheffield people will be familiar with the term

Blades Business Crew

Serious sheffield united hooligans

.....................strike me down..............

dddfdanon, Wednesday, 18 February 2004 01:07 (sixteen years ago) link

Ipswich people will be familair with the term

Ipswich Total Violence

(OK, I made that up and in fact when we supposedly had a "firm" they decided to call themselves The Spanners, why they did is anyone's guess)

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 03:51 (sixteen years ago) link

four years pass...

BBC blamed for attacks on Poles

Tom D., Wednesday, 4 June 2008 11:01 (twelve years ago) link

wtf @ that guy

Just got offed, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 11:04 (twelve years ago) link

Tories, eh?

Tom D., Wednesday, 4 June 2008 11:04 (twelve years ago) link

Sub-Passantino at best

Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 11:06 (twelve years ago) link

At 6 feet 8½ inches (204 cm), Kawczynski is believed to be the tallest MP ever to sit in the Parliament of the United Kingdom.

Just got offed, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 11:19 (twelve years ago) link

But the average height of doors in Westminster is six feet eight and now he wants ministers to take account of an increasingly tall UK population.

"Being officially a giant myself... you want to raise things which pertain to yourself and people like you," he said.

ISSUES4U

Just got offed, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 11:22 (twelve years ago) link

Also I'm sure he said all this a couple of months ago somewhere else. Why has it come up again now?

Ned Trifle II, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 11:57 (twelve years ago) link

Oh, yes, in the Independent.

Ned Trifle II, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 11:58 (twelve years ago) link

He'll be blaming the BBC for attacks on giants next

Tom D., Wednesday, 4 June 2008 12:00 (twelve years ago) link

I'd guess he has a point if he's talking about Tory voters mouthing off on the mid-morning phone-ins on local stations like BBC Radio Shropshire etc.

James Mitchell, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 15:42 (twelve years ago) link

Conservative Friends of Poland

Like Neville Chamberlain, he means?

Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 15:46 (twelve years ago) link

Pretty sure it's mostly Channel 4 running the anti-Polish stuff. But it is tricky spotting the difference between Panorama and the Völkischer Beobachter most weeks.

Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 15:53 (twelve years ago) link

EXCLUSIVE: Max Mosley confirmed as new Panorama presenter.

Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 15:57 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...

A step too far, this is causing as much kerfuffle as when the moved women's hour.

Mornington Crescent (Ed), Friday, 12 June 2009 02:58 (eleven years ago) link

one month passes...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/jul/14/ben-bradshaw-bbc-management

the bbc does seem amazingly inept at covering its arse. it is kind of a symptom of a wider elite-class self-aggrandizement that the likes of byford and thompson think they deserve mad money, but it's still going to come back to bite them.

FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Tuesday, 14 July 2009 09:31 (eleven years ago) link

beeb has kind of an impossible job in dealing with its critics, since they simultaneously claim the licence fee isn't justified because the bbc isn't populist enough and that it isn't justified because it doesn't provide enough specialised content that the commercial sector won't touch. i can't see that sharing the licence fee does anything to help except spreading it thinner.

agree that bbc bosses don't help the cause though.

joe, Tuesday, 14 July 2009 09:42 (eleven years ago) link

three months pass...

is it really going to be dismantled?
― D Aziz (esquire1983), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 00:03 (5 years ago)

Possibly, if - when - the Tories get in.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/oct/19/wed-abolish-bbc-trust-hunt

DavidM, Monday, 19 October 2009 10:07 (eleven years ago) link

Has to be a troll:

Pay per view BBC news would allow the lefties to view their own biased news reports while the rest of us could choose ITV news for more impartial reporting.

James Mitchell, Monday, 19 October 2009 10:13 (eleven years ago) link

this business about "damaging commercial competitors" really pisses me off. we should be celebrating the fact that the BBC creates quality products and services for "free", not requiring it to dumb down its offerings so that something inferior and expensive can maintain market share.

tomofthenest, Monday, 19 October 2009 10:25 (eleven years ago) link

Whenever that comment is made, it is usually voiced by someone with vested interests eg. Murdoch. In America, Murdoch goes after Obama but here he goes after impartial news media. This should be a good compass for anyone wishing to locate the centre of power in any given country. Who does Murdoch go after in, say, China?

Yo! GOP Raps (suzy), Monday, 19 October 2009 10:29 (eleven years ago) link

yeah, you do wonder whether this is the quid for the quo of The Sun's support.

tomofthenest, Monday, 19 October 2009 10:34 (eleven years ago) link

tories don't need any outside encouragement to go after the bbc, tbh.

joe, Monday, 19 October 2009 10:37 (eleven years ago) link

So is the Mail anti-Beeb purely because of DMGT's regional newspapers? Or is there something else, aside from Jonathan Ross and the telly tax?

James Mitchell, Monday, 19 October 2009 10:44 (eleven years ago) link

it's ideological - the bbc is full of lefties.

joe, Monday, 19 October 2009 10:47 (eleven years ago) link

not only that, the whole concept of the BBC is lefty.

tomofthenest, Monday, 19 October 2009 10:54 (eleven years ago) link

and yet they've employed Jeremy Clarkson, Carol Thatcher, Michael Burke, Patrick Moore (latter two mentioned just due to sexist comments made in past)...

modescalator (blueski), Monday, 19 October 2009 10:58 (eleven years ago) link

Patrick Moore is very right-wing on immigration too, unfortunately.

tomofthenest, Monday, 19 October 2009 11:05 (eleven years ago) link

and yet they've employed Jeremy Clarkson, Carol Thatcher, Michael Burke, Patrick Moore (latter two mentioned just due to sexist comments made in past)...

... and Andrew Neil and Michael Portillo and Nick Robinson and Quentin Letts ad nauseum

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Monday, 19 October 2009 11:08 (eleven years ago) link

Michael Buerk is a Conservative?

Yo! GOP Raps (suzy), Monday, 19 October 2009 11:11 (eleven years ago) link

Only when it comes to the BBC employing women, I think... women who get jobs he wants, that is

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Monday, 19 October 2009 11:12 (eleven years ago) link

sexist, conservative, racist - all the same

tomofthenest, Monday, 19 October 2009 11:16 (eleven years ago) link

Regardless of how many sexist conservative racist rightwingers are employed there, the very existence of the BBC as a huge part of the media landscape is a slap in the face to Tory free market ideals, so obviously they want to pare it back. I don't think it's all about Murdoch.

Zelda Zonk, Monday, 19 October 2009 11:20 (eleven years ago) link

In my own experience, sexism is not limited to conservative men!

Yo! GOP Raps (suzy), Monday, 19 October 2009 11:20 (eleven years ago) link

LOL, far from it!

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Monday, 19 October 2009 11:22 (eleven years ago) link

Wondering how many Tories are anti-Beeb (lol anti-Auntie, don't mind me) cz free market ideals, nanny state trying to make us pay for socialised tv, drag out ancient acronym about the commies etc, and how many are in favour of preserving it as a Great British institution from the days when Great Britain etc etc, y'know, a relatively staid old thing that doesn't put quite as many flashing neon colours and topless ladies on as the other channels

I mean, the other group does exist, right? Or is this the sector of small-c conservatives who wouldn't admit to being such and vote Lib Dem? (PS this is not really intended derogatively as it describes much of my family and quite possibly me)

ein fisch schwimmt im wasser · fisch im wasser durstig (a passing spacecadet), Monday, 19 October 2009 11:40 (eleven years ago) link

Hardly any of the latter and none who matter <--------- satirical poetry

The Prince's choice: making a brush. (Tom D.), Monday, 19 October 2009 11:44 (eleven years ago) link

and even they would be appeased by one radio station playing Test Match Special, the shipping forecast and The Archers

tomofthenest, Monday, 19 October 2009 11:47 (eleven years ago) link

the opposition from Murdoch, the Mail etc is predicated purely on the BBC grabbing a fairly hefty slice of online eyeballs and TV ratings that might otherwise be going to their properties - however Murdoch's greatest fear is that the BBC carries advertising.. because then the advertisers would spread their (finite amount of) money over to the BBC innit

Tracer Hand, Monday, 19 October 2009 12:11 (eleven years ago) link

however Murdoch's greatest fear is that the BBC carries advertising..

also many BBC supporters greatest fear surely

modescalator (blueski), Monday, 19 October 2009 12:21 (eleven years ago) link

i can't believe i said "carries" instead of using the subjunctive. GAH

Tracer Hand, Monday, 19 October 2009 12:23 (eleven years ago) link

Fun fact: the BBC was nationalised under a Tory government.

Zelda Zonk, Monday, 19 October 2009 12:44 (eleven years ago) link

yeah, THAT'll stop their commie styles in their TRACKS! oh wait (a long time)

Mark G, Monday, 19 October 2009 12:56 (eleven years ago) link

one month passes...

Some guy on the weather forecast talking about a lull in the rain definitely used the phrase "a bit of rest-bite" today. Beginning of the end if you ask me.

The bugger in the short sleeves (NickB), Sunday, 22 November 2009 19:31 (ten years ago) link

Given the accuracy of the Met Office, that forecast might prove to be something of a damp squid.

Neil S, Sunday, 22 November 2009 19:39 (ten years ago) link

now we have a weatherman wearing jeans. It's a speedy apocalypse.

FC Tom Tomsk Club (Merdeyeux), Sunday, 22 November 2009 19:49 (ten years ago) link

Don't be such a milk toast.

James Mitchell, Sunday, 22 November 2009 19:50 (ten years ago) link

DAMMING REPORT
was behind the newsreader on the lead item a few weeks back. ten o'clock news.

rap band (schlump), Sunday, 22 November 2009 22:03 (ten years ago) link

I read something about Prime Gordon Brown on their website a few minutes ago.

ailsa, Sunday, 22 November 2009 22:43 (ten years ago) link

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8273467.stm

The person in the video is not Clarie Middleton. I don't know who it is! (Not to mention that the new chief executive's name is "Clarie", not "Claire"...)

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 22 November 2009 23:07 (ten years ago) link

three weeks pass...

goddamn liberal shilly-shalliers

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/dec/16/bbc-africa-have-your-say

Dean Gaffney's December (history mayne), Thursday, 17 December 2009 11:47 (ten years ago) link

I suggest all gays are put on a remote island somewhere and left for a generation - after which, theoretically there should be none left!

no mate bruce springsteen is the american jimmy barnes (King Boy Pato), Thursday, 17 December 2009 11:50 (ten years ago) link

(is it legit to do a kind of quasi-homophobic zing here? along the lines of DIDN'T THEY TRY THAT WITH AUSTRALIA? OH!)

Dean Gaffney's December (history mayne), Thursday, 17 December 2009 11:55 (ten years ago) link

More of an Australophobic zinger there

Sonny Uplands (Tom D.), Thursday, 17 December 2009 11:57 (ten years ago) link

patosceptic

Dean Gaffney's December (history mayne), Thursday, 17 December 2009 11:58 (ten years ago) link

Ban all Ugandan discussions, that'll solve the problem.

James Mitchell, Thursday, 17 December 2009 12:03 (ten years ago) link

lol

Dean Gaffney's December (history mayne), Thursday, 17 December 2009 12:05 (ten years ago) link

Heard they were making a film about this - Last Queen Of Scotland.

We should have called Suzie and Bobby (NickB), Thursday, 17 December 2009 12:08 (ten years ago) link

Actually that's not funny.

We should have called Suzie and Bobby (NickB), Thursday, 17 December 2009 12:10 (ten years ago) link

you've just qualified for your own BBC3 series tho

mdskltr (blueski), Thursday, 17 December 2009 12:17 (ten years ago) link

Too subtle

Challop You Face (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 17 December 2009 12:19 (ten years ago) link

it was delivered by seinfeld in a guest role

stop grieving, it's only a chicken (darraghmac), Thursday, 17 December 2009 12:25 (ten years ago) link

No, it was just a horrible joke to make, apologies.

We should have called Suzie and Bobby (NickB), Thursday, 17 December 2009 12:26 (ten years ago) link

i'm am literally sitting here typing in protest & outrage. i have half a mind to make a cup of tea and drink it.

stop grieving, it's only a chicken (darraghmac), Thursday, 17 December 2009 12:27 (ten years ago) link

Frankie Boyle will probably steal it anyway

Sonny Uplands (Tom D.), Thursday, 17 December 2009 12:28 (ten years ago) link

steve punt it's ironic because his name rhymes with sleeve

stop grieving, it's only a chicken (darraghmac), Thursday, 17 December 2009 12:30 (ten years ago) link

"four original episodes" plus several hours of shouting

HUH? not appropriate (snoball), Thursday, 17 December 2009 12:32 (ten years ago) link

and that's just people who've been bought it

Challop You Face (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 17 December 2009 12:32 (ten years ago) link

Several hours of sitting in a corner, arms round your knees, rocking back and forth, muttering, "Why why? Why me?"

Sonny Uplands (Tom D.), Thursday, 17 December 2009 12:35 (ten years ago) link

Wonder how much they like them in Uganda?

We should have called Suzie and Bobby (NickB), Thursday, 17 December 2009 12:37 (ten years ago) link

Now here's a funny song
To help you all along
It's really a bit corny
But at least it makes me money

I play this 'ere guitar
On Radio 4 ha ha ha!
The Now Show is just cack
it's a schoolboy shouting match

dum d-d-dum dum... dum dum! ba-dum pish!

HUH? not appropriate (snoball), Thursday, 17 December 2009 12:45 (ten years ago) link

eight months pass...

LOL

acoleuthic, Tuesday, 31 August 2010 15:32 (ten years ago) link

not even gonna read it, just LOL repeatedly

acoleuthic, Tuesday, 31 August 2010 15:33 (ten years ago) link

is this about the axing of last of the summer wine?

Chaki doesn't have beef with unicorn (stevie), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 15:45 (ten years ago) link

go to www.bbc.co.uk and giggle like a giggly one

acoleuthic, Tuesday, 31 August 2010 15:48 (ten years ago) link

uh what was happening on the BBC homepage an hour ago?

progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 17:19 (ten years ago) link

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-10520487

acoleuthic, Tuesday, 31 August 2010 17:21 (ten years ago) link

ah. up to the minute as usual.

progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 17:22 (ten years ago) link

Yeah, any day now they're going to stop saying "haitch tea tea pee colon forward slash forward slash" before they tell someone a website address.

Les centimètres énigmatiques (snoball), Tuesday, 31 August 2010 18:43 (ten years ago) link

two months pass...

right, am going into broadcasting house.

Mark G, Wednesday, 24 November 2010 18:27 (nine years ago) link

Er, why?

State Attorney Foxhart Cubycheck (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 18:56 (nine years ago) link

Back in one day, in love with the liberal cunts all over again...

I see what this is (Local Garda), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 20:44 (nine years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Mark Thompson: I enjoy crack rock and trolling

baubles to the wall (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 18 December 2010 14:00 (nine years ago) link

"Kelvin MacKenzie said he should be able to host a debate about immigration or Britain pulling out of Europe without having to present a countervailing point of view."

Yeah I bet.

like an ant to a crumb (DavidM), Saturday, 18 December 2010 14:07 (nine years ago) link

lol in what sense do you have a debate without a countervailing point of view yeah i know it's MacKenzie ignore him or shoot him in the balls

baubles to the wall (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 18 December 2010 14:08 (nine years ago) link

Debate:

"I say deport the lot of them" "No, no, we must shoot them all"

emil.y, Saturday, 18 December 2010 14:15 (nine years ago) link

"I say your three cent titanium tax goes too far."
"And I say your three cent titanium tax doesn't go too far enough."

Antoine Bugleboy (Merdeyeux), Saturday, 18 December 2010 14:25 (nine years ago) link

like, who/what in the hell is mark thompson fucking in the photographs with which murdoch is clearly blackmailing him?

this guy ☜ (stevie), Saturday, 18 December 2010 14:28 (nine years ago) link

got no problem with dropping the pretence of impartiality in news broadcasting btw, it's just that Thompson and everybody involved in News International and their families and friends are cunts

baubles to the wall (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 18 December 2010 14:30 (nine years ago) link

isn't there already a channel like fox news in the UK, ie sky news? only know it from kay burley bullshiteness, tho, never really watched it, and heard its coverage of the protests/riots was more Fair And Balanced than the beeb's.

this guy ☜ (stevie), Saturday, 18 December 2010 14:34 (nine years ago) link

and that fat ugly dude who blew his stack at alastair campbell during the general election.

this guy ☜ (stevie), Saturday, 18 December 2010 14:35 (nine years ago) link

that was Gordon Brown iirc

baubles to the wall (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 18 December 2010 14:36 (nine years ago) link

i believe GB blew his load, not his stack

this guy ☜ (stevie), Saturday, 18 December 2010 14:38 (nine years ago) link

thompson didn't actually say "like fox news" right?

modrić in paradise (blueski), Saturday, 18 December 2010 17:58 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

this 'justice' season is bobbins really isn't it

Jefferson Mansplain (DG), Tuesday, 1 February 2011 20:47 (nine years ago) link

Trailer certainly was, hence not watching it.

Y Kant Torres Red (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 1 February 2011 20:50 (nine years ago) link

screening undergrad seminars is really scraping the barrel

Jefferson Mansplain (DG), Tuesday, 1 February 2011 20:56 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

All BBC websites are down just now, is this a sign of something truly terrifying?

o0o00h really? (boxedjoy), Tuesday, 29 March 2011 22:38 (nine years ago) link

iPlayer 2 launch

You Say Various Things (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 29 March 2011 22:53 (nine years ago) link

its been down for ages. I asked a bbc employee
A Question for Ronan?

Algerian Goalkeeper, Tuesday, 29 March 2011 23:00 (nine years ago) link

oh no, where will i get my news about america now

You Say Various Things (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 00:58 (nine years ago) link

i'm on the today programme at 0810 on this morning talking about ireland, in a non professional capacity. fyilxorz.

Will.Have.Known (Local Garda), Thursday, 7 April 2011 23:35 (nine years ago) link

oh no, where will i get my news about america now

http://www.tmz.com/

Handjobs for a sport (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 7 April 2011 23:38 (nine years ago) link

http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_9451000/9451025.stm

i'm on this 2 mins in

Will.Have.Known (Local Garda), Friday, 8 April 2011 08:21 (nine years ago) link

You're an official "young person"!

Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Friday, 8 April 2011 08:28 (nine years ago) link

Portrait of the Artist as a Young Person

Tom D (Tom D.), Friday, 8 April 2011 08:32 (nine years ago) link

I thought I recognized your voice at the time but wasn't certain until John Humphries thanked you at the end.

DISPLAY NAMING RIGHTS (Upt0eleven), Friday, 8 April 2011 08:34 (nine years ago) link

one week out of the bbc and i can be a contributor...was quite cool meeting john humphries.

Will.Have.Known (Local Garda), Friday, 8 April 2011 08:34 (nine years ago) link

my friend M4rk was on the Today programme this morning as well! clearly it is the official Young People day today.

c sharp major, Friday, 8 April 2011 09:13 (nine years ago) link

Well done Young Ronan! :-)

La descente infernale (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 8 April 2011 09:28 (nine years ago) link

"you've been called a 'man of oats'.. however you are also called 'ronan'. which is it?"

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Friday, 8 April 2011 09:36 (nine years ago) link

ronan!

humph humph humphries

The Geirogeirgegege (nakhchivan), Friday, 8 April 2011 09:44 (nine years ago) link

two months pass...

first they came for pebble mill...

joe, Monday, 13 June 2011 11:46 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

v badly cut pic in this story...http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/14509068

LocalGarda, Friday, 12 August 2011 14:01 (nine years ago) link

you're right, they should have cropped out his face

Dark Noises from the Eurozone (Tracer Hand), Friday, 12 August 2011 15:24 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/aboutthebbc/dqf/ataglance.shtml

Changes to the BBC's TV channels:

Protecting BBC One and Two in peak time, albeit with small reductions in entertainment programming and acquisitions;
Making BBC One the channel for all new general daytime programmes;
Changing BBC Two's daytime schedule to feature international news and current affairs programmes at lunchtime. Other parts of the daytime schedule would be repeats of mainly factual programmes, including science, history, natural history and arts, as well as live sport;
Re-focusing BBC Three and BBC Four to play supporting roles to the two bigger channels; and
Replacing the HD channel with an HD version of BBC Two to broadcast alongside the existing BBC One HD channel.

Changes to the BBC's radio stations:

Protecting Radio 4 by keeping its underlying budget stable, excluding the impact of productivity savings;
Greater sharing of news bulletins between Radio 2 and 6 Music, Radio 1 and 1Xtra, and Radio 3 and 4;
Reducing the amount of original drama, live music and specially recorded concerts at lunchtime on Radio 3, and reviewing the BBC's orchestras and singers;
Reinvestment in the Proms to maintain quality;
Focusing Radio 5 Live on core output of news and sport;
A new more focused Asian Network with a 34 per cent reduction in its content spend; and
Making savings in radio distribution costs through long term changes to Medium Wave and Long Wave.

Changes to programming and services in the nations and regions:

For TV, protecting underlying investment in news programming; producing fewer non-news programmes and rebroadcasting more of them to UK audiences; and increasing investment in network programming produced across Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales;
For nations radio, reducing investment in non-news programming and focusing on peak-time; and
For English local radio, focusing spend on peak-time programmes, but with increased sharing across regions in off-peak slots.

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 6 October 2011 10:21 (nine years ago) link

Reducing the amount of original drama, live music and specially recorded concerts at lunchtime on Radio 3, and reviewing the BBC's orchestras and singers

a small price to pay to keep Radio Britpop running

Dios mio! This kid is FUN to hit! (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 October 2011 10:54 (nine years ago) link

For English local radio, focusing spend on peak-time programmes, but with increased sharing across regions in off-peak slots.

So... keeping "Newsdrive" type shows with the rest beamed in from London. Brilliant.

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 6 October 2011 11:01 (nine years ago) link

Can't wait to hear BBC Radio Sussex, live from Salford.

James Mitchell, Thursday, 6 October 2011 11:04 (nine years ago) link

Re-focusing BBC Three and BBC Four to play supporting roles to the two bigger channels

What does this mean? Repeats, right?

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 6 October 2011 11:46 (nine years ago) link

or expanded versions of shows broadcast on the main 2, yeah

Dios mio! This kid is FUN to hit! (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 October 2011 13:44 (nine years ago) link

Spin-offs like Doctor Who Confidential, right?

Oh.

James Mitchell, Thursday, 6 October 2011 13:51 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

Delivering Quality First: an hour of BBC2 time on Sunday wasted asking whether it's going to snow in Britain this winter. The answer was: at some point in winter it is very likely to snow somewhere in Britain.

Delivering Shovels First morelike.

Even worse, I watched it

R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 11:04 (eight years ago) link

Does it feature Positive Weather Solutions?

This topical programme taps into the nation's obsession with the weather and asks whether we are heading for another 'snowmageddon' as experienced in the previous two years.

Can forecasters give us warning this time around? How does the 'olde' weather lore compare with the supercomputers? And what are we doing across Britain to prepare ourselves as we head into winter?

'Will It Snow?' predicts what another extreme cold snap would spell for Britain's economy as it puts the science of weather forecasting to the test and asks the experts what we are in store for between now and spring.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0175m9n/Will_It_Snow/

James Mitchell, Tuesday, 8 November 2011 12:09 (eight years ago) link

heading for another 'snowmageddon' as experienced in the previous two years.

It used to snow more than that every bloody winter. #kickaballinthestreet

what are we doing across Britain to prepare ourselves as we head into winter?

Probably 'sod all' as usual.

I have booked my market stall on the frozen Thames. When I was young there were two or three Frost Fairs even in summer, when the golden corn stood tall and you walk around naked till November, plucking ripe apples from the hedgerows. The partridges flew into your mouth feathered and cooked. It were a grand ride down, mind.

mark s, Tuesday, 8 November 2011 12:16 (eight years ago) link

there are apples still on the tree i can see from the office window. nb i am fully clothed.

koogs, Tuesday, 8 November 2011 15:14 (eight years ago) link

two months pass...

This is just comically piss-poor

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16692342

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 12:32 (eight years ago) link

"News" item on phones going off during concert performances on BBC Breakfast was followed by a Q & A with 2 (2!) people about this. What's there to say, other than "it's annoying"?

good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 12:35 (eight years ago) link

Breakfast is hilariously beige tbf

summer sun, something's begun, but uh-oh those tumblr whites (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 12:37 (eight years ago) link

"coming up later, we have a performance from the newly reformed Turin Brakes live in the studio"

good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 12:40 (eight years ago) link

government conspiracy to hurry you out of the house for work

summer sun, something's begun, but uh-oh those tumblr whites (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 12:40 (eight years ago) link

Get the benefit scroungers out down the job centre to look for jobs that don't exist

Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 12:42 (eight years ago) link

I know this is Media Theory 101, but the way it sort of flattens things out infuriates me, mounting tension with Iran being made to seem equivalent with some stupid nonsense they all grin and simper over. STOP GRINNING!!!

good luck in your pyramid (Neil S), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 12:43 (eight years ago) link

pretty sure the benefit scroungers are watching Jeremy Kyle on the other side

summer sun, something's begun, but uh-oh those tumblr whites (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 12:44 (eight years ago) link

This is just comically piss-poor

ffs what a bunch of pretentious wankers

insert 2012 appropriate display name here (snoball), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 12:44 (eight years ago) link

it was tl;dw - can u give us a precis?

summer sun, something's begun, but uh-oh those tumblr whites (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 12:46 (eight years ago) link

It was like the Raygun interview, except with graphic designers.

insert 2012 appropriate display name here (snoball), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 12:51 (eight years ago) link

Call it a return to the 19th century guild model of the arts and craft movement - or a kind of Andy Warhol's Factory. Many artists and musicians of the Chicago scene swing by all day and night.

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 14:07 (eight years ago) link

Call it a return to the 19th century guild model of the arts and craft movement - or a kind of Andy Warhol's Factory. Many artists and musicians of the Chicago scene swing by all day and night.

Call it a return to the 19th century guild model of the arts and craft movement - or a kind of Andy Warhol's Factory. Many artists and musicians of the Chicago scene swing by all day and night.

Call it a return to the 19th century guild model of the arts and craft movement - or a kind of Andy Warhol's Factory. Many artists and musicians of the Chicago scene swing by all day and night.

Call it a return to the 19th century guild model of the arts and craft movement - or a kind of Andy Warhol's Factory. Many artists and musicians of the Chicago scene swing by all day and night.

Call it a return to the 19th century guild model of the arts and craft movement - or a kind of Andy Warhol's Factory. Many artists and musicians of the Chicago scene swing by all day and night.

Call it a return to the 19th century guild model of the arts and craft movement - or a kind of Andy Warhol's Factory. Many artists and musicians of the Chicago scene swing by all day and night.

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 14:08 (eight years ago) link

Next, a charming young French woman inherits a large estate and decides to leave Paris to try and make it as a farmer, but get this: she's always wearing cool clothes!

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 14:09 (eight years ago) link

Actually Next:


Online teen editor's secrets to success Watch

Tavi Gevinson talks to the BBC about being a blogger, an editor-in-chief at RookieMag.com and a young girl.

Mark G, Tuesday, 24 January 2012 14:12 (eight years ago) link

five months pass...
seven months pass...

dear BBC, why the fuck do i need to hear half hour updates on the pistorius case every morning?

Mordy, Wednesday, 20 February 2013 14:42 (seven years ago) link

like i know it's easier to put a correspondent in pretoria than in damascus but does anyone outside south africa really give a shit???

Mordy, Wednesday, 20 February 2013 14:45 (seven years ago) link

this is Spellbinding Court Drama, mordy.

ledge, Wednesday, 20 February 2013 14:53 (seven years ago) link

i did learn that south africa doesn't have a jury system

Mordy, Wednesday, 20 February 2013 15:06 (seven years ago) link

An olympic icon shot his model girlfriend in the 24 hr news era you should expect to be hearing about this

lance armstrong will have been delighted (darraghmac), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 15:11 (seven years ago) link

Pistorius is much better known in Britain than, say, OJ Simpson was.

I turned away to leave these few in thought and contemplation (Bananaman Begins), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 17:02 (seven years ago) link

haha yes thats true , and that trial was all over the 24 hour media too.

Vote in the ILM 70s poll please! (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 17:04 (seven years ago) link

"now we will interrupt this very interesting report about Japanese desperate attempts to rejuvenate their economy through massive infrastructure spending to take you back to the bail hearing we already wasted most of your morning drive covering"

fuck oscar pistorius, fuck his bail hearing and fuck bbc for being totally worthless

Mordy, Friday, 22 February 2013 14:35 (seven years ago) link

It's a Good Story. That's all the BBC is interested in, as well as most of the rest of humanity. Japanese economy? Complex issue, no easy solution, therefore = boring/Not A Good Story.

i understand that the news will never be as "pure" or whatever that i want it to be but i want to hear some actual news during my 30 minutes in the car, not 25 minutes of speculating over whether he'll get bail (surprise! he did!) and 5 minutes of traffic.

Mordy, Friday, 22 February 2013 14:38 (seven years ago) link

There are a lot of implications in the Pistorius case - about the continued corruption of SA's police forces, about the facade of The Olympic Spirit, about violence against women, and about gun control, among other things - so it's not just True EastEnders. Nonetheless that doesn't bother the media - all they want is something that will hook readers. listeners and viewers.

As for BBC News; chronic over-investment, not enough actual "news" to fill dead air time, hence all the bulletins with survey findings, etc.

it's the hot morning commute news slot! you cannot convince me that there are literally no other stories in the world worth covering this week.

Mordy, Friday, 22 February 2013 14:42 (seven years ago) link

It's just that the management are convinced. Why, listeners might get bored and go watch Sky News!

tbh i'm surprised there's not a 'man walks from shop to car' incident in america that the bbc could be obsessed with

: ; : (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 22 February 2013 20:15 (seven years ago) link

or maybe that's just the web site

: ; : (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 22 February 2013 20:16 (seven years ago) link

four months pass...

it's over

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01cgwgb

the bbc is over. it can fuck off now. it can get to fuck.

reet pish (imago), Monday, 8 July 2013 23:33 (seven years ago) link

it's over, everyone

reet pish (imago), Monday, 8 July 2013 23:33 (seven years ago) link

the bbc has always tended towards the ideologically supine, vaguely bien pensant most of the time but complaisant whenever anything serious is happening, like the cardiff school of journalism study which showed it gave less coverage to sceptical nongivernmental voices than any other broadcaster during the iraq war

it's nosedived into unexamined banality and idiocy-pandering from top to fucking bottom

for me it's a source of national shame

reet pish (imago), Tuesday, 9 July 2013 00:06 (seven years ago) link

List of sources of national shame (UK edition)

tbf describing anything as a 'national shame' is being just as bad as those semiologically infantile morons

they're just cunts. no shame here. what even is a 'nation' except their own self-affirmed demographic

reet pish (imago), Tuesday, 9 July 2013 00:15 (seven years ago) link

makes u think

stet, Tuesday, 9 July 2013 00:59 (seven years ago) link

how are benefits claimants not "taxpayers"? what the living fuck????

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 9 July 2013 09:45 (seven years ago) link

it's completely within the Beeb's public service remit to address the concern of morons. repeatedly. for several hours a day.

the SI unit of ignorance (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 9 July 2013 09:53 (seven years ago) link

BBC are cockroaches, obv, but also fuck the 'claimant' (assuming they're actually real) for collaborating with this shit. Fucking tool.

MILLIONAIRE KING OF RAPPERS! (Bananaman Begins), Tuesday, 9 July 2013 09:58 (seven years ago) link

otm

the SI unit of ignorance (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 9 July 2013 10:01 (seven years ago) link

Two of the hard-working taxpayers (HWTs) are so effortlessly patronising, they only heighten one’s sympathy for the struggling claimants. Before meeting an unemployed single mother, one HWT says she won’t be happy if her victim spends money on cigarettes and alcohol: cut to the woman smoking a fag while some beer cans rest in a nearby bin bag.

http://www.scotsman.com/the-scotsman/scotland/tv-preview-nick-and-margaret-we-all-pay-your-benefits-1-2992234

i'm looking forward to Nick and Margaret: We All Subsidize Your Underpaid Employees

the SI unit of ignorance (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 9 July 2013 16:57 (seven years ago) link

im currently petitioning to morally adopt a family of four in rotheram who will be required to prove that every morsel of gruel purchased with the excise tax extorted from my burgundy is used in an efficient and equitable fashion

xxp and the very first comment on that article is from some odious Daily Mail reading fuckhead

Meine Damen und Herren, ein grosse sh*tstorm! (snoball), Tuesday, 9 July 2013 17:50 (seven years ago) link

It's almost as if the government was deliberately setting the unemployed and those on low incomes against each other as a way of distracting attention away from Tory right wing cuntishness and greed driven capitalism OH WAIT

Meine Damen und Herren, ein grosse sh*tstorm! (snoball), Tuesday, 9 July 2013 17:54 (seven years ago) link

Claimant with brand-name trainers and Apple hardware revealed to be recent university graduate who bought all these things while working. Programme seems to be suggesting that the second you apply for JSA, you should hand back all these things to some central Office of Hairshirts so as not to annoy or confuse some numpty in George for ASDA.

aldi young dudes (suzy), Tuesday, 9 July 2013 18:03 (seven years ago) link

maybe we actually have to watch it first?

Mark G, Tuesday, 9 July 2013 18:23 (seven years ago) link

i don't need to experience a kick in the balls to know it will make me feel sick

the SI unit of ignorance (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 9 July 2013 18:48 (seven years ago) link

maybe we actually have to watch it first?

lol yeah maybe we've got it all wrong u guys

MILLIONAIRE KING OF RAPPERS! (Bananaman Begins), Wednesday, 10 July 2013 12:09 (seven years ago) link

Will the taxpayers feel that benefits are too high or not enough?

Who cares?

And will the claimants decide that hard work is good for them or will the sacrifice be too much?

Yeah, all claimants must be unemployed by choice.

and get a taste of the reality of working life.

And no claimant has ever worked before.

With the battle lines drawn between claimants and taxpayers

OH WORD?

MILLIONAIRE KING OF RAPPERS! (Bananaman Begins), Thursday, 11 July 2013 08:58 (seven years ago) link

And anyone who self-describes as a 'hard working taxpayer' should be drowned in a peat bog imo

MILLIONAIRE KING OF RAPPERS! (Bananaman Begins), Thursday, 11 July 2013 08:58 (seven years ago) link

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/corporate/images/width/live/p0/1b/z9/p01bz98p.jpg/608

Even their faces seem hateful / contemptuous.

Inte Regina Lund eller nån, mitt namn är (ShariVari), Thursday, 11 July 2013 09:00 (seven years ago) link

can imagine the photographer saying 'That's fine, but could you look a little bit more like pompous sneering cunts? cheers'

Puff Daddy, whoever the fuck you are. I am dissapoint. (stevie), Thursday, 11 July 2013 09:07 (seven years ago) link

Outraged that those two snivelling shitbags are getting a slice of my licence fee tbh.

Ralph Vogon Williams (NickB), Thursday, 11 July 2013 09:10 (seven years ago) link

i like them normally tbh it's just once you sign up for hate propaganda like this you're out of my good books forever :(

the SI unit of ignorance (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 11 July 2013 09:13 (seven years ago) link

this othering of benefits claimants is unbelievable btw, the language the show uses is making "people who claim benefits" a separate social class, ignoring the number on working family tax credit or any of the other state benefits that don't go to the unemployed.

just hope pensioners, preschool children and people receiving hospital treatment realize they'll be next.

the SI unit of ignorance (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 11 July 2013 09:20 (seven years ago) link

^^^brb reposting this to 'trenchant social commentary'

reet pish (imago), Thursday, 11 July 2013 09:22 (seven years ago) link

emphatically otm, of course :)

reet pish (imago), Thursday, 11 July 2013 09:23 (seven years ago) link

i just keep reaching a point where i want the whole welfare state dismantled just so i don't have to listen to idiots and libertarians whining any more

the SI unit of ignorance (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 11 July 2013 09:26 (seven years ago) link

perhaps out of the ashes of total social catastrophe will come a new dawn, led by the people for each other

reet pish (imago), Thursday, 11 July 2013 09:27 (seven years ago) link

point at the ashes of civilization in 10 years time as gated communities with private militias fight off the rampaging feral hordes and say "YEAH IS THAT BETTER YOU LIKE THAT HUH????"

the SI unit of ignorance (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 11 July 2013 09:28 (seven years ago) link

perhaps will come riots, poverty and ruin

lol @ our interleaving

reet pish (imago), Thursday, 11 July 2013 09:28 (seven years ago) link

perhaps out of the ashes of total social catastrophe will come a new dawn, led by the people for each other

Yeah, because that always works...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/Hitler_1914_1918.jpg/170px-Hitler_1914_1918.jpg

Meine Damen und Herren, ein grosse sh*tstorm! (snoball), Thursday, 11 July 2013 09:35 (seven years ago) link

Hey, he's a little guy who had a dream. Keep on reaching for that rainbow.

MILLIONAIRE KING OF RAPPERS! (Bananaman Begins), Thursday, 11 July 2013 09:39 (seven years ago) link

perhaps, broadly, this isn't a crisis. just the usual showboating language designed to score points in the navel-gazing world of parliamentary politics. a few votes won and lost and a few soundbites, the welfare state never to be dismantled but chipped away at here and there, gradually replaced with quasi-private institutions that do the job roughly as efficiently as the state. the public bitching and whining and mean-spiritedness just the default attitude for a section of the public, and a bunch of radio/tv/internet outlets designed to cater to that attitude in the name of feeling communal and being entertained. the marginalized never pushed far out enough to feel truly resentful or recognize an injustice. no end times. a bunch of us angsty liberals fretting about how beastly people can be then turning the TV off and slapping ourselves on the back.

the SI unit of ignorance (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 11 July 2013 09:43 (seven years ago) link

^ <high five>

MILLIONAIRE KING OF RAPPERS! (Bananaman Begins), Thursday, 11 July 2013 09:48 (seven years ago) link

it feels worse though, though, though that may be a question of perception. like thatcher's spawn coming of age (or major's spawn, or even blair's).

Puff Daddy, whoever the fuck you are. I am dissapoint. (stevie), Thursday, 11 July 2013 09:48 (seven years ago) link

The quasi-private institutions are never as effective as the public sector, and furthermore bounce all FoI requests because they're 'commercially sensitive'. I want accountability from the government of the day and from corporations much more than I want it from any individual victim of socio-economic conditions. Also, if a person's private insurance policy for whatever reason required some kind of forced labour component to collect, consumer rights programmes run by the BBC would be down their throats in an instant.

aldi young dudes (suzy), Thursday, 11 July 2013 09:50 (seven years ago) link

although maybe not

Nick also takes a hard line with one father called Chris, suggesting he needs to buck up his ideas and make a few more sacrifices.

“One chap wouldn’t work away during the week and return at weekends because, being a modern father, he said, ‘I want to see my children’.

"Fathers are busy changing nappies now, which is something I never did. In my day, quite a lot of people worked away.

"I did it. I worked in London and the family were in the country.”

Puff Daddy, whoever the fuck you are. I am dissapoint. (stevie), Thursday, 11 July 2013 10:27 (seven years ago) link

Really, if the BBC adore the free market so much they should arrange to be privatised, and live by its rules.

Coming soon on BBC1: Concentration Campwatch.

that wouldnt surprise me at all marcello

the only difference between the bbc and the khmer rouge is that the latter were at least nominally committed so some idea of solidarity -- the bbc are just rabid neoliberal wolves

ahahaha how am I the one who got trenchant social commentaried

reet pish (imago), Thursday, 11 July 2013 11:43 (seven years ago) link

gonna do the honours myself

reet pish (imago), Thursday, 11 July 2013 11:44 (seven years ago) link

...for fear of being struck by another's trenchant social commentary

Meine Damen und Herren, ein grosse sh*tstorm! (snoball), Thursday, 11 July 2013 11:48 (seven years ago) link

snobes ✓

And so?

Mark G, Friday, 12 July 2013 05:54 (seven years ago) link

About as grotesque as you might expect. Old rich people who've never needed to claim touring the system, 'hardworking taxpayers' eg. single people on £16k a year judging people with children. Obviously, the made-redundant dad applying for 10 jobs a day is seen more favourably than the heavy-set woman with the same amount of kids and pets (apparently you shouldn't have pets or a telly if you're not working). Worst bit: dimwit rail-thin whinging woman who couldn't stop taking inventory of chubby woman's possessions and pets as if it proved anything, standing beside the chubby woman in the supermarket insisting she didn't buy a whole chicken because 'you should get the fillets' and who could not be persuaded to shut the fuck up about it. Chubby woman finally told the crew to stop filming; rail-thin woman got all smirky when her charge bought her a drink in the pub she visits one night a week - all over her skull of a face, that weird, greedy, snide expression you see in workplace/schoolyard bullies. I'd have bought a pint just so I could've chucked it over her. She actually asked the chubby mum if she could cut back her own food budget because her kids were getting free lunches at school and thus the undeserving bastards were getting an outrageous TWO hot meals a day. Petty bitch.

Guy on incapacity benefit who'd been through a 20-year wringer of unemployment, intermittent homelessness, relationship breakdown etc was managing to keep his two little girls on an even keel, described himself as a 'homemaker'. Twice, the mothers of his children abandoned them to him, giving him sole or main custody. He put every ounce of energy he had into running his home, but had trouble walking more than a hundred metres without having to rest. In between school runs he spent most of his time bargain-hunting for decent food (and was the best shopper/from-scratch cook of the claimants). He'd have about £6800 a year from his IB and child benefit to feed, clothe and keep the heat on for a family of three; the rest of his £15k/year benefit bill went straight to a landlord. It's disgusting.

Heads up: a taxpayer on £25k/year is only contributing about £60 of their tax bill towards other people's JSA, so these shitty little martinets who think they can shout the odds because they're hardworking serfs on £16k/year can basically STFU. Since they're paying tax on only £7k of that, JSA claimants are really only into them for about £40/year. Perspective, much?

aldi young dudes (suzy), Friday, 12 July 2013 08:23 (seven years ago) link

i wish your review could get to a wider audience than just us, suzy - much appreciated

Puff Daddy, whoever the fuck you are. I am dissapoint. (stevie), Friday, 12 July 2013 08:54 (seven years ago) link

yep

imago, Friday, 12 July 2013 08:57 (seven years ago) link

Yes, it's a great review. I can't really blame people on low incomes for being angry that their quality of life is no better than standard the state regards as the bare minimum for survival. That anger needs to be directed in the right place though. The divide and rule approach to the less-well-off is horribly effective.

Inte Regina Lund eller nån, mitt namn är (ShariVari), Friday, 12 July 2013 09:00 (seven years ago) link

One thing I had hoped people would have learnt from the last recession was the fact that anyone can become unemployed. It has nothing to do with how hard you worked at your last job. I've been unemployed and I've been on 13 week schemes in rooms full of people from all kinds of backgrounds and experiences, people who thought they'd never be made unemployed, but they were. I would have thought that every adult in this country in the last ten years would either have been unemployed themselves at some time, or known someone who was, and consequently known that unemployed people are not lazy or workshy, and that the image of the 'benefit cheat' is by and large a myth. But it's a lesson that seems to be getting ignored in some kind of rush to be a judgemental right wing armchair shitbag.
And for the record, I've never met a single person who fits the media stereotype of the 'dole scrounger'. Everyone I've met who's been unemployed has wanted to work, wanted to get a job, wanted to get off JSA.

Meine Damen und Herren, ein grosse sh*tstorm! (snoball), Friday, 12 July 2013 09:02 (seven years ago) link

Idea for a follow-up programme: license fee payers question Mountford and Hewer about how much they were paid to appear on that 'documentary' and what they've spent the money on.

Meine Damen und Herren, ein grosse sh*tstorm! (snoball), Friday, 12 July 2013 09:12 (seven years ago) link

Can't add to or improve what Suzy said above. Snoball also OTM. Next on BBC1: two overpaid presenters try to justify why they should be paid public money for wagging their entitled fingers at people who are paid public money.

I would suspect that the BBC paid St**rt H*ll more money in six months than the single dad on incapacity benefit has received in a decade. Are we going to see a programme explaining the justification for that? (answer: nope)

idk ye all seem to be getting great value out of it tbh

dub job deems (darraghmac), Friday, 12 July 2013 09:26 (seven years ago) link

Watching the BBC is SKIVING!

suzy that review definitely needs to be put up somewhere!

darragh your non sequitur arguments are so fucking basic, as are your ~arch~ ripostes

lex pretend, Friday, 12 July 2013 09:39 (seven years ago) link

Can I just point out that this meretricious piece of shit has been running since 2009

Tommy McTommy (Tom D.), Friday, 12 July 2013 09:44 (seven years ago) link

idk ye all seem to be getting great value out of it tbh

^ WOUNDING ^

MILLIONAIRE KING OF RAPPERS! (Bananaman Begins), Friday, 12 July 2013 09:44 (seven years ago) link

The food bank worker who told Nick and Margaret that people were begging for bog roll scared the shit out of them, BTW.

That programme needed an informed smartarse who's been on benefits to explain stuff like the above to their allocated hardwhinging ignoramus. I'd volunteer, but if the price of sanity is no direct contact with the Chicken Fillet Ladies of this world, I'll pay it. £40 is the cost of a cheap night out, or taking you and two kids to the cinema. Apparently, despite constant shaming propaganda, there is a stubborn 27 per cent of British people who believe that benefits should be higher and there's probably a correlation between those people and the percentage of people who feel insulted at the use of terms like 'welfare'. I'm sure working people who received child benefit at the same rate as their unemployed neighbours don't figure that in to their assessment of themselves as somehow superior to that neighbour.

There was absolutely fuck-all on telly last night, but before that we were treated to the sight of three nice chefs who get it intervening to help working poor and disabled people manage their food budgets, which were often £2/day per head after all the other bills went out. It was a much more compassionate programme. The chefs just got on with it and remonstrated with the mum who was giving her kid all the food while filling the gap with 20 cups of three-sugar tea and one meal a day, but instead of endless whinging they sent the lady to a dietician to scare her out of slowly killing herself and helped her to recalibrate her shop so mother and daughter were both eating well.

I can relate: I've been ill enough to be allocated a council flat and when I was getting IB of about £350/month plus a small declared retainer from ESM, I could make it work because I was single with low outgoings, good at both bureaucracy and cooking - I grew up with a single mum who is a ruthless quality food shopper - my 'job' was to get better and I did it well. Not for one second did I ever think I'd be the one having to do this, but I've never begrudged a claimant for any reason; being an immigrant I've of course paid NI and tax from the second I arrived here 22 years ago. I'm back at work developing a long-term project on spec but only doing a feature or teaching work each month so I can focus most on this one important thing. So I'm having to budget on food more than usual, often on less than I got on IB, but I'd probably tear my hair out if I was for real spending less than £20/week to feed myself if it didn't start falling out as a result of malnutrition, anyway.

aldi young dudes (suzy), Friday, 12 July 2013 09:57 (seven years ago) link

Ah yes, all those nappy valley RBKC Giraffe World Cafe/Brampton's-subsidising ladies of leisure who whinged about child benefit being cut because it was their "pocket money." No thunderstorms about waste of taxpayers' money there.

Also, if you are still dependent on "pocket money" in the 21st century, the Revolution still has a long way to go.

i don't think that's what suzy meant

i was against the means-testing of child benefit because once something stops being a universal benefit it becomes easier to stigmatize, whittle away and then get rid of altogether

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 12 July 2013 10:05 (seven years ago) link

I didn't say that it was.

No, I'm in agreement - give child benefit to those who need it to feed and clothe their children. What is income tax if not means-tested?

But the cost of means testing usually ends up being more than the 'saving' of paying those that 'don't need it'.

Oh, but it's the principle isn't it?

Step one: "I don't claim this benefit"
Step two: "Therefore, I can look down on those that do"
Step tre: "It really should not be as much as that!"

and so on...

Mark G, Friday, 12 July 2013 10:14 (seven years ago) link

I'm against means-testing for the same reason as Tracer and Mark G, who is OTM about the false economy aspect.

aldi young dudes (suzy), Friday, 12 July 2013 10:16 (seven years ago) link

But the cost of means testing usually ends up being more than the 'saving' of paying those that 'don't need it'.

Usually down to the cost of having to pay for all those civil servants to do little more than run personal details through a computer rather than someone who can just look at a payslip/bank book and say yes or no. As used to happen.

I don't see what's socialist about giving public money to people who don't need it.

An egalitarian baseline followed by 'according to need'? No, you've lost me ;-).

aldi young dudes (suzy), Friday, 12 July 2013 10:22 (seven years ago) link

Why should money that ought to be directed towards families in genuine need be frittered away in the boutiques of Sloane Street? It's as grotesque a waste of public funds as the BBC.

It's like arguing that everyone should only pay 10% income tax because if you ask some people to pay more it will stigmatise tax and, why, at such a low rate they might as well whittle it down and do away with it altogether.

so a benefit is the same as a tax? not heard that one before, marcello.

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 12 July 2013 10:38 (seven years ago) link

At what point do you stop defining people as "genuinely in need"? At the moment it's £50,000. Could the money going to people earning £40,000 not be better spent on the poorest? How about people earning £30,000? Surely those earning nothing need the money more? Repeat until it's like legal aid and virtually abolished. The "savings" are never passed on to those in need, either way.

Inte Regina Lund eller nån, mitt namn är (ShariVari), Friday, 12 July 2013 10:40 (seven years ago) link

No. But they should be, in the same way as there should be peace on Earth and mutual understanding.

Because then you go back into "what about the middle classes then?" and before long you've argued yourself into being a Tory.

But it's the Tories that seem keen on having this means-tested..

Mark G, Friday, 12 July 2013 10:46 (seven years ago) link

Does that alone make it wrong to do so?

Do you not think they might have an ulterior motive for wanting to stop people being given things as a basic right of citizenship?

Would you support wealthier people being barred from claiming unemployment benefits if they have savings, or being made to pay for NHS treatment?

Inte Regina Lund eller nån, mitt namn är (ShariVari), Friday, 12 July 2013 10:51 (seven years ago) link

It sounds to me like you're very keen on supporting wealthier people.

It's a couple of quid a week from each taxpayer that isn't getting spent on Trident. All of that money goes straight back into the economy, regardless of whether it's spent in Sloane Street or Green Street. Just as I'd never dream of telling an unemployed person how to spend their benefits, I'd never tell a middle-class mum how to spend hers.

aldi young dudes (suzy), Friday, 12 July 2013 10:55 (seven years ago) link

But if it were child benefit, it wouldn't be "her" money. It would be the Government's money. If funds are set aside for a specific purpose and the recipients are using it for another purpose then that is, technically speaking, fraud.

w/e about wealthier people getting child benefit. Socialism is a bit more than just being all boo to rich people.

MILLIONAIRE KING OF RAPPERS! (Bananaman Begins), Friday, 12 July 2013 10:58 (seven years ago) link

Again you seem to be eager to defend rich people.

It sounds to me like you're very keen on supporting wealthier people.

i don't doubt this, but i also think it probably doesn't sound/read like this to anyone else reading this thread

Puff Daddy, whoever the fuck you are. I am dissapoint. (stevie), Friday, 12 July 2013 10:59 (seven years ago) link

If you support redistribution and inequalities of income being reduced as much as is practical, there isn't a contradiction with universal benefits.

MILLIONAIRE KING OF RAPPERS! (Bananaman Begins), Friday, 12 July 2013 11:00 (seven years ago) link

You cannot have a "universal benefit" because not everybody is equal.

If you assume that they are, then there is no reasonw why we could not simply say, to hell with it, let's abolish income tax altogether, keep (and spend) everything you earn, and we'll all get on splendidly, like in the Lebanon.

sp: "reason"

You cannot have a "universal benefit" because not everybody is equal.

Why not?

MILLIONAIRE KING OF RAPPERS! (Bananaman Begins), Friday, 12 July 2013 11:04 (seven years ago) link

If you assume that they are

Why would I do that? That would be demented.

MILLIONAIRE KING OF RAPPERS! (Bananaman Begins), Friday, 12 July 2013 11:04 (seven years ago) link

tbh if doing away with universal child benefit was the worst thing this government did things would be pretty sweet tho

MILLIONAIRE KING OF RAPPERS! (Bananaman Begins), Friday, 12 July 2013 11:07 (seven years ago) link

that argument makes absolutely no sense, Marcello.

whateverface (c sharp major), Friday, 12 July 2013 11:08 (seven years ago) link

The fundamental point isn't about supporting "rich people" it's about making it more difficult to erode the rights of everyone else, but that should be pretty obvious.

Inte Regina Lund eller nån, mitt namn är (ShariVari), Friday, 12 July 2013 11:09 (seven years ago) link

xp
maybe you would next like to suggest that hospital visits be means-tested "because not everybody is equal"

whateverface (c sharp major), Friday, 12 July 2013 11:09 (seven years ago) link

marcello is this like when you said the royal mail should be privatised because a package of yours took too long to arrive?

Puff Daddy, whoever the fuck you are. I am dissapoint. (stevie), Friday, 12 July 2013 11:11 (seven years ago) link

The other thing about Child Benefit was to promote actually having kids, which is why my parents didn't get any until they had their 2nd child.

Mark G, Friday, 12 July 2013 11:12 (seven years ago) link

also it's money that (in most cases) goes directly to the mother, not to the household, which can be incredibly important.

whateverface (c sharp major), Friday, 12 July 2013 11:13 (seven years ago) link

Well yes, because then the affluent mother can spend it on herself.

Otherwise you have to say that you're on the side of the affluent neoliberal middle classes and it's all right for public money to go towards subsidising toys and luxuries rather than spending it where it is needed (as in other areas of modern life).

oh my days, god save us from the UNDESERVING MOTHERS who spend public money on TOYS

whateverface (c sharp major), Friday, 12 July 2013 11:17 (seven years ago) link

it's nice that you would rather refuse public money to women because you suspect them of immoral spending habits - they are, after all, so frivolous and awful - than consider that women in ostensibly affluent households can often be completely cut off from control over the finances they need to support themselves and their children.

whateverface (c sharp major), Friday, 12 July 2013 11:19 (seven years ago) link

i'm sure you would also like the fuel allowance to not be a universal benefit, because an old person in a house that is expensive on paper should just sell up and go into a home.

whateverface (c sharp major), Friday, 12 July 2013 11:21 (seven years ago) link

If it's subtext you're looking for, I can help you.

What would you say is your favourite book?

I mean, public money goes towards subsidising toys and luxuries pretty much all of the time? Why are you so eager to jump on it when it's, specifically, women?

whateverface (c sharp major), Friday, 12 July 2013 11:22 (seven years ago) link

What would you say is your favourite book?

tell me about your fav book marcello

conrad, Friday, 12 July 2013 11:24 (seven years ago) link

I don't actually need an answer to that question; I have, after all, known you on ilx for ten years

whateverface (c sharp major), Friday, 12 July 2013 11:24 (seven years ago) link

marcello, just make up a book and attribute it to me so you can get to the terribly ~damning~ riposte you've thought up.

whateverface (c sharp major), Friday, 12 July 2013 11:25 (seven years ago) link

Do you know the reason why you didn't just tell me what your favourite book was?

If the affluent mother is married to a controlling bastard...

aldi young dudes (suzy), Friday, 12 July 2013 11:31 (seven years ago) link

My Favourite book was "The Bridge" by Ian Banks.

I thangyew.

Mark G, Friday, 12 July 2013 11:40 (seven years ago) link

oops, missed an important i in the name there.

Mark G, Friday, 12 July 2013 11:41 (seven years ago) link

Yep, that's a good one.

Suzy xp: the affluent mother should throw the controlling bastard out of the house but as with Lawson/Saatchi it's still happening the other way, much too often.

Back to Steve Voice again..

Mark G, Friday, 12 July 2013 12:34 (seven years ago) link

ugh awful man. What is it with rich UK or UK-based guys who go around like medieval feudal lieges, expecting everyone else (including wife/partner and children) to be serfs?

My favourite book is Animal Farm, the animals on the farm have a revolution and drive out the farmer and the other humans, but then the pigs who are the most intelligent become like the humans and the other animals even worse off than before makes u think

MILLIONAIRE KING OF RAPPERS! (Bananaman Begins), Friday, 12 July 2013 13:12 (seven years ago) link

xpost was tempted to say it wsa the drugs, but..

Mark G, Friday, 12 July 2013 13:17 (seven years ago) link

If you read Chas Saatchi's Standard column (which I note he continues to write and get published) before he moved on (or was moved on) to talking about weird photomontages, he was obsessing about crack, heroin and the Dignitas Clinic, so much so I'm surprised he doesn't have a loyalty card.

lex, lex, lex

i don't want have to ask the mods to intervene in order to prevent your relentless ad-hom attacks. i'll ask you nicely to stop.

ps i have not been arguing itt, one doesnt argue with a group tantrum tbh

dub job deems (darraghmac), Sunday, 14 July 2013 00:06 (seven years ago) link

darragh your non sequitur arguments are so fucking basic, as are your ~arch~ ripostes

― lex pretend, Friday, 12 July 2013 10:39 (2 days ago)

this isnt ad hominem

i watched this programme

what's gonna happen to dr who?

reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 14 July 2013 00:25 (seven years ago) link

ah it's the snide non-engagement across a couple of threads nakh, it's pure bullying, it's right back to the bad old days if we don't nip it in the bud imo

dub job deems (darraghmac), Sunday, 14 July 2013 00:28 (seven years ago) link

one doesnt argue with a group tantrum tbh

^ WOUNDING ^

MILLIONAIRE KING OF RAPPERS! (Bananaman Begins), Sunday, 14 July 2013 01:55 (seven years ago) link

winding

dub job deems (darraghmac), Sunday, 14 July 2013 01:59 (seven years ago) link

whodini

reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 14 July 2013 02:00 (seven years ago) link

csm missed a trick not answering "taipei" imo

^do not heed if you rate me (wins), Sunday, 14 July 2013 02:04 (seven years ago) link

i actually agreed with marcello until i read him trying to make a case for it.

caek, Sunday, 14 July 2013 03:40 (seven years ago) link

I do get the 'point', but the alternative is...

It's "Child Allowance" not "Child Benefit"

anyways...

Mark G, Sunday, 14 July 2013 10:47 (seven years ago) link

ah man, old ILX is BACK :D

imago, Sunday, 14 July 2013 11:10 (seven years ago) link

Mark's right: henceforth will refer to the payments by their correct name; using 'child benefit' just internalises the RW/Tory rhetoric/framing. But I will be caning the fuck out of 'bedroom tax'.

aldi young dudes (suzy), Sunday, 14 July 2013 11:28 (seven years ago) link

oh yeah go4it

Mark G, Sunday, 14 July 2013 11:36 (seven years ago) link

8.5 million of us now rent our homes - as fewer of us can afford to buy. This generation has been called generation rent.

In this film we meet the new army of private landlords who are riding this rental boom, who own one in every five properties.

Some landlords like Jim Haliburton AKA 'The HMO Daddy' have found there is serious money to be made. His property empire stretches across the West Midlands and he houses around 800 tenants. His property portfolio is worth £26 million.

Selena Gomez is very Neotenous for Caucasoids (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Tuesday, 23 July 2013 19:37 (seven years ago) link

one month passes...

The actor, who made his name in US crime drama The Wire, will present two hour-long shows with the working title Idris Elba: King Of Speed.

Private Eye editor Ian Hislop will present a three-part look at the British obsession with history and Fern Britton will challenge nine pairs of gardeners to grow their own fruit and veg on an Oxfordshire allotment before their work is judged in a country show-style competition.

There will also be a three-part series about cats and historian Andrew Roberts will examine the life of Napoleon Bonaparte.

There are a lot of subjective opinions (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Sunday, 25 August 2013 21:03 (seven years ago) link

No motd2 tonight wtf

firelance photographer (darraghmac), Sunday, 25 August 2013 21:20 (seven years ago) link

Bank holiday, biggest game of the weekend being played tomorrow.

tell it to my arse (jim in glasgow), Monday, 26 August 2013 01:47 (seven years ago) link

a three-part series about cats

Can't believe the Beeb is denying us details of who will present this. Hoping for Paul F Tompkins as Lord Andrew Lloyd-Webber.

bizarro gazzara, Monday, 26 August 2013 10:50 (seven years ago) link

The actor, who made his name in US crime drama The Wire, will present two hour-long shows with the working title Idris Elba: King Of Speed.

Private Eye editor Ian Hislop will present a three-part look at the British obsession with history and Fern Britton will challenge nine pairs of gardeners to grow their own fruit and veg on an Oxfordshire allotment before their work is judged in a country show-style competition.

There will also be a three-part series about cats and historian Andrew Roberts will examine the life of Napoleon Bonaparte.

― There are a lot of subjective opinions (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Sunday, 25 August 2013 21:03 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the bbc is over

which can be sold for meat if they are boys.. (sorry guys) (imago), Monday, 26 August 2013 10:55 (seven years ago) link

These series would be infinitely more interesting if they just shuffled the presenters around.

Stop the tape I got spittle all over my moustache. (Talcum Mucker), Monday, 26 August 2013 10:58 (seven years ago) link

Private Eye editor Ian Hislop will present a three-part look at the British obsession with history and Fern Britton

calumerio, Monday, 26 August 2013 11:44 (seven years ago) link

irl giggles ongoing

which can be sold for meat if they are boys.. (sorry guys) (imago), Monday, 26 August 2013 13:31 (seven years ago) link

Cats will examine the life of Napoleon Bonapsrte

Mark G, Monday, 26 August 2013 14:15 (seven years ago) link

two months pass...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24818769

the last line:

Sweetie will not be used again. She has done her job - showing the predators that they can easily become prey.

an opinion piece as the lead on the news website? or is it an opinion piece?

Legitimate space tale (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 5 November 2013 14:19 (six years ago) link

that is just creepy

sarahell, Tuesday, 5 November 2013 21:59 (six years ago) link

accidentally saw part of a documentary about Myra Hindley the other night and there was a clip of the BBC's Michael Buerk starting the report of her death with "Probably the most hated woman in Britain" and i thought really? on the BBC??

. (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 5 November 2013 22:00 (six years ago) link

Buerk's a bugger for that sort of guff, ever heard the moral maze?

Defund Phil Collins (stevie), Tuesday, 5 November 2013 22:02 (six years ago) link

occasionally, but this looked like it was from the ten o'clock news ffs

. (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 5 November 2013 22:03 (six years ago) link

Britain on the Fiddle.
1/3. New series. The world of benefits cheats, who effectively steal millions of pounds in taxpayers' money every year. Reporter Richard Bilton goes on the frontline with investigators chasing a woman who won £95,000 on a game show but carried on claiming her `allowance'.

There seems to be a strategy in the BBC now to attempt to appease/appeal to the Tory/Daily Mail/UKIP lot.

hewing to the status quo with great zealotry (DavidM), Wednesday, 6 November 2013 20:12 (six years ago) link

three weeks pass...

dunno if any of you are young enough to still have dreams, but perhaps you know someone who really wants to be a journalist for the bbc.

if so: http://www.bbc.co.uk/careers/trainee-schemes/jts

this is how i got in - and now i am saving to do a totally different career but it definitely got the whole news thing out of my system.

seriously though it's a really good opportunity for your little brother or sister or whatever.

Legitimate space tale (LocalGarda), Thursday, 28 November 2013 11:01 (six years ago) link

never too late: There is no age limit and the scheme welcomes career-changers who have ambitions to work in broadcast news but have been pursuing a career in other industries.

Eyeball Kicks, Thursday, 28 November 2013 11:08 (six years ago) link

Would never work for that bunch of self-protecting creeps.

As a 23 year old with a BA in creative writing, an MA in American Literature and five years worth of writing experience, is it worth me applying?

the Shearer of simulated snowsex etc. (Dwight Yorke), Thursday, 28 November 2013 11:17 (six years ago) link

Depends whether or not you're "fit."

never too late

hmm, i take that back

Eyeball Kicks, Thursday, 28 November 2013 11:25 (six years ago) link

As a 23 year old with a BA in creative writing, an MA in American Literature and five years worth of writing experience, is it worth me applying?

Yeah I'd say so. I was 25 when I got in.

There is no age limit and the scheme welcomes career-changers who have ambitions to work in broadcast news but have been pursuing a career in other industries.

The year I did it there was an Irish solicitor who must have been mid or late 30s. As well as some people in early 20s. I reckon it's a lot more competitive now, I got in cos they didn't know what the internet was at this time and they needed people who could harness its dark magic. Little has changed I guess.

Legitimate space tale (LocalGarda), Thursday, 28 November 2013 11:31 (six years ago) link

what are they looking for? not sure how you'd go about getting the right boxes ticked

ogmor, Thursday, 28 November 2013 12:16 (six years ago) link

As a 23 year old with a BA in creative writing, an MA in American Literature and five years worth of writing experience, is it worth me applying?

― the Shearer of simulated snowsex etc. (Dwight Yorke), Thursday, 28 November 2013 11:17 (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The fact you can claim all that and have the gall to elide the possessive apostrophe from "years'" indicates to me that your lying on you're CV

veneer timber (imago), Thursday, 28 November 2013 15:00 (six years ago) link

your lying on you're CV

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 28 November 2013 15:01 (six years ago) link

clearly intentional dude

malapopism (wins), Thursday, 28 November 2013 15:02 (six years ago) link

The fact you can claim all that and have the gall to elide the possessive apostrophe from "years'" indicates to me that your lying on you're CV

^^^^^ sentence clearly the work of a savage who uses "whilst" without shame

the "Weird Al" Yankovic of country music (stevie), Thursday, 28 November 2013 15:17 (six years ago) link

my novel is currently 92794 words long and heavens! one of those words is whilst. better nuke the lot. how many words is your novel stevie? :)

veneer timber (imago), Thursday, 28 November 2013 15:32 (six years ago) link

Novels! What a quaint caprice.

nothing on the BBC

veneer timber (imago), Thursday, 28 November 2013 15:34 (six years ago) link

^^^trenchant social commentary

veneer timber (imago), Thursday, 28 November 2013 15:34 (six years ago) link

meanwhilst elsewhere...

Mordy , Thursday, 28 November 2013 15:37 (six years ago) link

elsetwhere

Legitimate space tale (LocalGarda), Thursday, 28 November 2013 15:37 (six years ago) link

int counter = 5;
int factorial = 1;
do {
factorial *= counter--; /* Multiply, then decrement. */
} whilst (counter > 0);
printf("factorial of 5 is %d\n", factorial);

fashionably early Christmas themed display name (snoball), Thursday, 28 November 2013 15:39 (six years ago) link

my novel is currently 92794 words long and heavens! one of those words is whilst. better nuke the lot. how many words is your novel stevie? :)

i'm all about the non-fiction, louis

the "Weird Al" Yankovic of country music (stevie), Thursday, 28 November 2013 15:40 (six years ago) link

> whilst (counter > 0);

you could stop at 1 given that that is the multiplicative identity...

koogs, Thursday, 28 November 2013 15:43 (six years ago) link

Thought u guys would be arguing the relative merits of "is it worth me applying" vs "is it worth my applying" by now

malapopism (wins), Thursday, 28 November 2013 15:48 (six years ago) link

[in all seriousness, and i just felt i should make this clear, you are all welcome to use 'whilst' wherever and whenever you like, it's just my own personal bugbear, and one which has arisen from subbing/rewriting too much copy where 'whilst' has been used to imply a certain level of 'cleverness' that is painfully absent in the rest of the copy]

the "Weird Al" Yankovic of country music (stevie), Thursday, 28 November 2013 16:17 (six years ago) link

you could stop at 1 given that that is the multiplicative identity...

― koogs, Thursday, November 28, 2013 3:43 PM (5 hours ago)

Well that's what I get for C&Ping code from Wikipedia without checking it. Oh hang on, someone's edited it...

fashionably early Christmas themed display name (snoball), Thursday, 28 November 2013 21:35 (six years ago) link

Five years worth, btw, works either way afaic

30 ch'lopping days left to umas (darraghmac), Thursday, 28 November 2013 21:37 (six years ago) link

No wait, I was looking at the 'while' page just now, which has the 'stop at 1' condition, but the code fragment I copied earlier was from the 'do while' page. Curses to you, Wikipedia! Is it too late to work in some kind of BBC++ joek?

fashionably early Christmas themed display name (snoball), Thursday, 28 November 2013 21:41 (six years ago) link

xp C and C++ jockeys love to prematurely optimise code almost as much as assembler programmers

fashionably early Christmas themed display name (snoball), Thursday, 28 November 2013 21:43 (six years ago) link

i don't get why the php example is so shonky.

i also missed the 'whilst' change in that original snippet and, therefore, the entire point.

anyway, back on topic. the 'an adventure in space and time' thing to celebrate dr who was good, lots of bbc tvc footage.

koogs, Thursday, 28 November 2013 22:01 (six years ago) link

BBC News editor/former Times editor James Harding says that BBC News "can't be a free-form jazz band." Why not?

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2013/dec/09/bbc-news-nelson-mandela-complaints-coverage

(actually I agree with him on his central point; see also the people who complained that live coverage of NM's release back in 1990 meant postponement of Antiques Roadshow. They may even have been the same people)

850 complaints. log 'em and move on.

last updated 10 years ago by (Noodle Vague), Monday, 9 December 2013 11:53 (six years ago) link

The BBC received about 850 complaints about the extent of its Mandela coverage, including its decision on Thursday evening to interrupt a repeat of sitcom Mrs Brown's Boys on BBC1 to bring viewers news of his death.
kind of lol but mostly sad

sktsh, Monday, 9 December 2013 11:58 (six years ago) link

one month passes...

is BBC allowed to have product placements on their shows?

newsnight, for example, gave "flappy bird" or whatever it was quite a boost no doubt last night

^ 諷刺 (ken c), Friday, 7 February 2014 13:57 (six years ago) link

hopefully nobody was paid for it

^ 諷刺 (ken c), Friday, 7 February 2014 13:58 (six years ago) link

there's also restaurant man. featuring some hotel in mhor scotland this week, and the pullman restaurant train last week. both times their web server went down straight after it was shown

^ 諷刺 (ken c), Friday, 7 February 2014 14:03 (six years ago) link

i know because the other member of the household went straight on the website.. (same member who also downloaded that flappy bird game)

^ 諷刺 (ken c), Friday, 7 February 2014 14:03 (six years ago) link

BBC things have facebook pages and twitter accounts and they talk about x-factor etc so I suppose anything goes.

Eyeball Kicks, Saturday, 8 February 2014 06:14 (six years ago) link

three weeks pass...

BBC3 looks certain to get the chop.

eardrum buzz aldrin (NickB), Wednesday, 5 March 2014 15:54 (six years ago) link

Good

Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Wednesday, 5 March 2014 16:01 (six years ago) link

lol @ crass populism that isn't very popular

UK Cop Humour (Bananaman Begins), Wednesday, 5 March 2014 16:04 (six years ago) link

Say what you really feel Tom. I'm slightly saddened cos it'll mean a loss of diversity to some extent (or at least the notion of it) and obviously it sucks for the people who work there, but otoh I don't think I've actually watched more than a minute of it in my life so *shrugs*

eardrum buzz aldrin (NickB), Wednesday, 5 March 2014 16:06 (six years ago) link

Complete waste of money

Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Wednesday, 5 March 2014 16:07 (six years ago) link

They're giving it to Scotland as a leaving present.

eardrum buzz aldrin (NickB), Wednesday, 5 March 2014 16:08 (six years ago) link

it'll mean a loss of diversity to some extent

On the contrary

Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Wednesday, 5 March 2014 16:08 (six years ago) link

Great for Being Human and festival coverage, not so great for American Dad/Family Guy ad infinitum. E4 is even worse, though.

baked beings on toast (suzy), Wednesday, 5 March 2014 16:10 (six years ago) link

(or at least the notion of it)

That's the nub I think. The idea of provideing diversity just by being a distinct channel would have carried more weight in the analogue days, but there are so many channels now that just existing doesn't add much in the way of diversity if you aren't providing something a bit different.

UK Cop Humour (Bananaman Begins), Wednesday, 5 March 2014 16:10 (six years ago) link

providing

UK Cop Humour (Bananaman Begins), Wednesday, 5 March 2014 16:10 (six years ago) link

where am i gonna watch Family Guy now?

i'm aware that my reaction to BBC3 says a lot about my worse instincts tbh, but i'm not sure if Sun, Sex and Suspicious Parents has added much of value to the culture.

the downside of this is quite possibly more dilution of BBC4 but

in an ideal world, i'm sure there shd be a place for everything, but i'm pretty sure the target audience for BBC3 is more or less exactly the demographic that watches least broadcast telly?

landschlubber (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 5 March 2014 16:10 (six years ago) link

gonna be a lot of godawful stand-up comics and sitcom writers signing on, too

landschlubber (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 5 March 2014 16:12 (six years ago) link

maybe broader, less middle-class-solipsist-scumbag question: is it possible to do Youth TV that doesn't pander?

landschlubber (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 5 March 2014 16:14 (six years ago) link

E4's record in youth drama has been way better than BB3's over the past few years. But we're talking about a demographic that will, by and large, happily shift online with the channel anyway. Given the future of TV is mostly online anyway it might give the BBC more room to experiment here. Or it might just slowly wither on the vine.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 5 March 2014 16:19 (six years ago) link

Its a shame this has been under 'cuts' rather than from 'this channel is awful, lets use the money more wisely'.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 5 March 2014 16:29 (six years ago) link

I'm a non-licence-payer who hasn't had a telly in years so take this with a pinch of salt but this channel is almost channel 4 bad

Andreass Twerckmeister (wins), Wednesday, 5 March 2014 16:36 (six years ago) link

Of all channels, this is one I'm happy to lose. It's remarkably, consistently, bad.

E4 shows TWO BROKE GIRLS and BROOKLYN NINE NINE both of which I like in different ways. E4 is miles better than BBC3 I'm afraid.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 5 March 2014 16:38 (six years ago) link

xp

i'd be torn in a poll, for sure

landschlubber (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 5 March 2014 16:38 (six years ago) link

wtf @ Pinefox liking Two Broke Girls

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 5 March 2014 16:39 (six years ago) link

BBC3 maybe has less aggressive neo-libertarian or prurient medical docs than C4 tbf

landschlubber (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 5 March 2014 16:40 (six years ago) link

I mean this is probably the first of many cuts at the BBC and let's not lose sight of what the government's longer term agenda is.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 5 March 2014 16:40 (six years ago) link

finally ran out of episodes of Two Pints.

inside out trousers (dog latin), Wednesday, 5 March 2014 16:41 (six years ago) link

I was going to until you said that but yeah let's not xp

Andreass Twerckmeister (wins), Wednesday, 5 March 2014 16:42 (six years ago) link

Can't say I watch it but smdh at all the crowing from CiF bbc4 stans about how the mindless cudchewers are getting what they deserve and it's some sort of victory for the intellegentsia

(My mistake for daring to peek at guardian comments obv)

sktsh, Wednesday, 5 March 2014 16:44 (six years ago) link

Didn't jack fucking dee's shitty curbon copy sitcom run for like 6 seasons on BBC4

Andreass Twerckmeister (wins), Wednesday, 5 March 2014 16:47 (six years ago) link

I'd be ok if they cut both BBC3 and BBC4 and that led for money being used to make better docs (which do require more money than just a roll-out of talking heads, 50 quid at a time) and funding the better comedy scripts.

Both of these could end up on BBC2.

Freeview is mostly crap

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 5 March 2014 16:49 (six years ago) link

i wish BBC4 wd put all the docs i'm too knackered or distracted to watch in the week on at the weekend instead of 48 hours of Whispering Bob Harris

landschlubber (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 5 March 2014 16:50 (six years ago) link

Last night I noticed a slot for a new channel: ITV4+1

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 5 March 2014 16:50 (six years ago) link

ITV4 is okay - show a lot of movies and some of the less desired footie matches

landschlubber (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 5 March 2014 16:51 (six years ago) link

Or itv5 as I will insist on calling it xp

Andreass Twerckmeister (wins), Wednesday, 5 March 2014 16:51 (six years ago) link

Been doing that for 10yrs not gonna stop now

Andreass Twerckmeister (wins), Wednesday, 5 March 2014 16:52 (six years ago) link

ITV4 is fine but seriously do we need a +1 channel for it?

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 5 March 2014 16:52 (six years ago) link

yes, as a Tottenham fan who sometimes works late I consider ITV4+1 a key channel.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 5 March 2014 16:54 (six years ago) link

I want +1s and +2s for every channel coz I forget everything and coz I want to watch prime time after the kids are in bed and coz I've only got 80 hours on my V+ box and it's full of things I won't get round to watching.

every time you sneer at "white boys with guitars" a Ramone dies (onimo), Wednesday, 5 March 2014 16:54 (six years ago) link

i don't mind using what i assume is cheap and plentiful capacity for the +1 channels cos sometimes they have a use - it's a weird niche use, sure, but like i assume many people i still have a download limit with my ISP that prohibits a move to all-streaming all-the-time just yet

landschlubber (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 5 March 2014 16:54 (six years ago) link

and there are also people like me who don't have that thing or a V+ box, just a TV

(I have this computer but I don't watch TV on it, assuming I could)

the pinefox, Wednesday, 5 March 2014 16:56 (six years ago) link

ilx shows its age.

tsrobodo, Wednesday, 5 March 2014 17:01 (six years ago) link

so the bbc channels will go 1, 2, 4 with a gap? annoying. it's bad enough that there's nothing on freeview channel 8.

koogs, Wednesday, 5 March 2014 17:02 (six years ago) link

lol i have Estuary, Grimsby's Number 1 TV station on Channel 8

landschlubber (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 5 March 2014 17:03 (six years ago) link

I noticed a new channel 'coming soon' on 8.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 5 March 2014 17:04 (six years ago) link

http://www.estuary.tv/

landschlubber (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 5 March 2014 17:04 (six years ago) link

whether 8 is gonna be assigned to various regional channels like this i don't know

landschlubber (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 5 March 2014 17:04 (six years ago) link

yeah its a slot for some local thing. yay freeview.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 5 March 2014 17:04 (six years ago) link

as a fan of awfulness even i struggle to watch more than 2 or 3 mins at a time

landschlubber (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 5 March 2014 17:05 (six years ago) link

so the bbc channels will go 1, 2, 4 with a gap?

Argh, nooooo. If there is no other reason to save BBC3, this is good enough. IT WILL DRIVE ME MAD.

emil.y, Wednesday, 5 March 2014 17:06 (six years ago) link

Going out on a limb here but I'm guessing that BBC3 isn't really aiming for people like the Pinefox.

The assumption that every young person has a computer/easy access to somewhere to watch online is probably more damaging, it's discriminatory to everyone who can't afford one for one thing.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 5 March 2014 17:07 (six years ago) link

But PF likes TWO BROKE GIRLS! It may not be aiming, but he is open to it!

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 5 March 2014 17:09 (six years ago) link

BBC3 was less terrible than it sold itself as, in some ways. I ended up catching ten minutes of Reggie Yates' Extreme South Africa, which sounds like the worst thing imaginable, but it seemed like a pretty thoughtful look at poverty, violence and racism. The tabloid documentaries that they did also seem several cuts above Channel 5 and arguably 4 based on my limited exposure. The topics and framing of their factual shows probably put a lot of viewers off giving them a chance and the failure to go full Gypsy Wedding / Extreme Couponing might have cost them from the other side.

Yuri Bashment (ShariVari), Wednesday, 5 March 2014 18:14 (six years ago) link

Was Pulling on bbc3? It made it look awful when actually it was brilliant.

kinder, Wednesday, 5 March 2014 18:56 (six years ago) link

A lot of the uproar seems less about BBC Three as it is and more about some magical BBC Three that commentators would like to exist.

BBC Three comedy for instance is consistently terrible, the only bright spots in my memory being People Just Do Nothing (comprising one episode) and Ja'ime - Private School Girl (bought from Australia). The "development hell" that turns promising series into shit is legendary there; producers know their vision will be unrecognisable once it comes out the other end. Which is why they approach Sky these days instead. As for "oh noes, there isn't any other BBC channel commissioning comedy", well, they will do once BBC Three goes!

There is a case for a more Newsbeat-y channel but BBC One basically is that already, surely!

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 5 March 2014 20:04 (six years ago) link

Like, the Reggie Yates SA doc really SHOULD be on BBC One. And Family Guy should NOT. Win-win?

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 5 March 2014 20:05 (six years ago) link

But which BBC channel will show a doc where a teenage girl has a visible wee in the middle of a music festival field?

Mark G, Wednesday, 5 March 2014 20:39 (six years ago) link

Parliament?

Prostitute Farm Online (Bananaman Begins), Wednesday, 5 March 2014 23:07 (six years ago) link

This is the first time in the BBC's history that we are proposing to close a television channel. I can’t rule out it being the last change to our programmes or services. It will save the BBC over £50 million a year. £30 million of that will go into drama on BBC One. And it also means we will extend Children's programmes by an hour a night and provide a BBC One +1 channel. I must stress - all of this is what we are proposing to the BBC Trust. They will have the final say.

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 6 March 2014 11:09 (six years ago) link

Tracer Hand, do you work for the BBC?

the pinefox, Thursday, 6 March 2014 11:12 (six years ago) link

Not going to answer on the grounds it may incriminate me

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 6 March 2014 11:24 (six years ago) link

Pinefox, that was a quote, by the way! Not my own writing!

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 6 March 2014 11:25 (six years ago) link

does this mean I can expect to notice a pronounced upswing in bbc one drama

conrad, Thursday, 6 March 2014 11:29 (six years ago) link

I guess?

As a parent I'm a bit concerned that kids will now start demanding to watch TV until 8pm instead of the much more sensible 7pm. I always thought the cut-off was due to bedtimes rather than a lack of funds.

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 6 March 2014 11:39 (six years ago) link

i wdn't hold my breath

landschlubber (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 March 2014 11:40 (six years ago) link

This is the first time in the BBC's history that we are proposing to close a television channel. I can’t rule out it being the last change to our programmes or services.

this reads a little bit like "oh we hadn't noticed any dramatic changes in the production and reception of TV in the last 5 years"

landschlubber (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 March 2014 11:41 (six years ago) link

Surely they should've put some of that money into making comedy?

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 6 March 2014 11:47 (six years ago) link

or something funny at least

conrad, Thursday, 6 March 2014 11:49 (six years ago) link

why start now?

landschlubber (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 March 2014 11:49 (six years ago) link

Why Not?

Mark G, Thursday, 6 March 2014 13:07 (six years ago) link

Like, the Reggie Yates SA doc really SHOULD be on BBC One.

This is the point really, if the programmes are good enough they can go on BBC1 or BBC2, perhaps they could find some room by maybe dropping one of their 5000 antiques shows / property shows / cooking shows / progammes about benefits scroungers or whatever. BBC4 meanwhile is a repository for exactly the sort of programmes that used to be shown on BBC2 but have since been replaced by 5000 antiques shows / property shows /cooking shows / progammes about benefits scroungers or whatever.

Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Thursday, 6 March 2014 15:41 (six years ago) link

As a political comedy show that dares to challenge authority, my TV show, The Revolution Will Be Televised, would never have been successful without BBC 3 giving me a platform. Now the BBC are looking to shut the channel down. We can’t let this happen to the only channel that nurtures challenging, cutting edge British comedy.

BBC 3 is the birthplace of comedy careers like Jack Whitehall, Russell Howard, David Walliams and Matt Lucas. It is the platform for voices that aren’t being heard, that go against the grain and don’t fit in with the status quo. That’s why Jono started his petition to save BBC3, because as a fan he knows that platforms like this are sacred. And that’s why me and other comedians like Jack Whitehall, Rick Edwards and Russell Kane have signed.

Animal Bitrate (Raw Patrick), Thursday, 6 March 2014 19:24 (six years ago) link

^ best argument for abolition of BBC3 lol amirite

ailsa, Thursday, 6 March 2014 19:34 (six years ago) link

matt lucas started out on bbc2 right?

eardrum buzz aldrin (NickB), Thursday, 6 March 2014 19:55 (six years ago) link

pls to abolish bbc2 also

Prostitute Farm Online (Bananaman Begins), Thursday, 6 March 2014 20:26 (six years ago) link

4 channels and they couldn't even find room for Limmy. Fuck 'em imo

Number None, Thursday, 6 March 2014 20:44 (six years ago) link

I like some the trashy documentary series on BBC3. Whenever I watch "Sun Sex & Suspicious Parents" it just puts me in the mood for a night out.

I am still bewildered by "Snog Marry Avoid" though - why are we all pretending that it's a robot, a talking robot, giving a makeover?

boxedjoy, Thursday, 6 March 2014 20:58 (six years ago) link

dog borstal

koogs, Thursday, 6 March 2014 21:06 (six years ago) link

Think lucas started on paramount comedy channel rip gawd bless ya

sktsh, Thursday, 6 March 2014 21:09 (six years ago) link

lucas drummer for vic reeves

CSI BONO (darraghmac), Thursday, 6 March 2014 21:17 (six years ago) link

would imagine that russell howard's talent would have brought him right to the top no matter the route taken tbf

CSI BONO (darraghmac), Thursday, 6 March 2014 21:18 (six years ago) link

DOG BORSTAL

conrad, Thursday, 6 March 2014 21:56 (six years ago) link

But we're talking about a demographic that will, by and large, happily shift online with the channel anyway.

75% of 16- to 24-year-olds' TV viewing is still of live broadcast, though.

Alba, Thursday, 6 March 2014 22:50 (six years ago) link

dog borstal was fucking awesome

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 6 March 2014 22:52 (six years ago) link

xp

75% of not much is not much, though

landschlubber (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 March 2014 23:20 (six years ago) link

the name 'dog borstal' just used to tickle me. would always use it as an excuse for not being somewhere - 'gotta go, dog borstal's on in 15 minutes'...

house of tiny tearaways I remember being good. that, mighty boosh, being human and pramface are probably the only things I ever watched on bbc3

koogs, Friday, 7 March 2014 02:08 (six years ago) link

BBC Three comedy for instance is consistently terrible, the only bright spots in my memory being People Just Do Nothing (comprising one episode) and Ja'ime - Private School Girl (bought from Australia).

Comedy obviously most specific thing ever taste-wise (I can't stand those ultra-broad Chris Lilley shows, say, which seem weirdly racist to me), but I feel like there are enough innovative spots in the long list of shows they commissioned to make 'consistently terrible' not true: Nighty Night, High Spirits, 15 Storeys High, Mighty Boosh, Snuff Box, Pulling...

Walter Galt, Friday, 7 March 2014 07:52 (six years ago) link

75% of 16- to 24-year-olds' TV viewing is still of live broadcast, though

How has that number changed over the last five years though? Even over the last year? You'd expect that number to be a lot smaller in two or three years' time alone.

Matt DC, Friday, 7 March 2014 09:53 (six years ago) link

had forgotten 15 storeys high. was a long time ago...

koogs, Friday, 7 March 2014 10:04 (six years ago) link

Ideal might be the best thing BBC3 have ever shown.

painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Friday, 7 March 2014 10:41 (six years ago) link

was that the line at the top of the "close it down" report?

Nooye's Vagge (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 March 2014 10:42 (six years ago) link

Pulling is my favourite ever BBC3 show but they didn't give it much of a push or a third series (I also loved Snuff Box and that was buried six feet deep in the schedule) so I wonder whether the best stuff will actually do better in a digital environment where shows can earn their followings outside of a channel identity that older viewers find offputting. That's the pint-half-full argument anyway.

What is wrong with songs? Absolutely nothing. Songs are great. (DL), Friday, 7 March 2014 10:50 (six years ago) link

The three half full pints and a package of crisps argument

Ward Fowler, Friday, 7 March 2014 10:53 (six years ago) link

a channel identity that older viewers find offputting.

Yeah, this. To the extent that when people have brought up good shows broadcast on BBC3 in its defence, I realised I'd forgotten that they were on that channel at all, so successful has the BBC3's marketing of itself as the home of crass dumbed-down rubbish been.

Prostitute Farm Online (Bananaman Begins), Friday, 7 March 2014 11:07 (six years ago) link

the BBC3

lol

Prostitute Farm Online (Bananaman Begins), Friday, 7 March 2014 11:07 (six years ago) link

a channel identity that older viewers find offputting.

Yeah, well i doubt most 16- to 24-year-olds find Radio 4's identity terribly welcoming either.

Alba, Friday, 7 March 2014 11:39 (six years ago) link

I am not really a Radio 4 person but I admire it and appreciate its existence and sometimes think, maybe I should listen to this constantly.

the pinefox, Friday, 7 March 2014 11:49 (six years ago) link

I also don't find radio 4#s identity terribly welcoming. Radio David Fucking Cameron.

Prostitute Farm Online (Bananaman Begins), Friday, 7 March 2014 11:52 (six years ago) link

Pramface was BBC 3, wasn't it? That was ok.

series 3 is on at the moment.

koogs, Friday, 7 March 2014 12:46 (six years ago) link

Yeah, well i doubt most 16- to 24-year-olds find Radio 4's identity terribly welcoming either.

True. So what? I'm sure the same scenario would apply there - there are certain Radio 4 shows that would find a broader audience if they were on a digital platform.

What is wrong with songs? Absolutely nothing. Songs are great. (DL), Friday, 7 March 2014 14:11 (six years ago) link

they are

koogs, Friday, 7 March 2014 14:35 (six years ago) link

matt lucas started out on bbc2 right?

Radio 4 I think

Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Friday, 7 March 2014 15:19 (six years ago) link

Reasonably certain that most of the standups they mention started as standups, regardless of TV exposure.

ailsa, Friday, 7 March 2014 16:10 (six years ago) link

I like that matt lucas thing where he plays a lazy and stupid African woman shop assistant

Prostitute Farm Online (Bananaman Begins), Friday, 7 March 2014 16:45 (six years ago) link

that's almost as funny as Harry Enfield and Paul Whitehouse's traffic warden sketch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1BP3AHLZWw

Angkor Waht (Neil S), Friday, 7 March 2014 16:46 (six years ago) link

Yeah that was awful too. Only thing I liked in 'Harry and Paul' was Whitehouse's intellectual working class man, and the soviet style opening credits.

Prostitute Farm Online (Bananaman Begins), Friday, 7 March 2014 16:56 (six years ago) link

should have gone with parking papageno and done it all in the style of the magic flute

eardrum buzz aldrin (NickB), Friday, 7 March 2014 17:42 (six years ago) link

Stats here are amazing:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26492684

155,000 given criminal record in 2012 for not paying license fee, accounting for more than 10% of criminal cases.

70 jailed.

Cases

Yuri Bashment (ShariVari), Saturday, 8 March 2014 14:16 (six years ago) link

Not sure where the extra 'cases' at the end came from there.

Yuri Bashment (ShariVari), Saturday, 8 March 2014 14:17 (six years ago) link

70 jailed.

Pretty sure you don't get sent to jail for not having a TV licence. You can go to jail if you don't pay a fine, which might sound like the same thing but it applies to all kinds of minor crime.

Eyeball Kicks, Monday, 10 March 2014 11:22 (six years ago) link

Yes, that's what i assume that they are referring to here. The last time i had a serious look at this was about ten years ago and, at the time iirc, courts pretty much stopped sending people to jail for non-payment of fines relating to TV licenses. Seeing it go back up to 70 is remarkable. The fines disproportionately affect women and (obviously) those dealing with the most extreme poverty so there was a real push to manage things more humanely. Giving people in difficult situations a criminal record for non-payment of what is effectively a debt / bill in the first place is unusual. Non-payment of utility bills / debts isn't generally a criminal offence.

Yuri Bashment (ShariVari), Monday, 10 March 2014 11:34 (six years ago) link

utility companies can cut you off* but the bbc can't

(* actually i think they aren't allowed to deny people such fundamentals as electricty. so instead they install pre-payment meters which effectively do the same thing.)

koogs, Monday, 10 March 2014 12:52 (six years ago) link

Isn't non-payment of council tax a criminal thing for the same reason? The council can't turn off the streetlights etc.

Eyeball Kicks, Monday, 10 March 2014 13:00 (six years ago) link

They could blindfold you.

Alba, Monday, 10 March 2014 13:04 (six years ago) link

Council tax debts are primarily civil offences. Persistent non-payment can lead to criminal conviction where you had the means to pay in the first place. It's not a criminal matter in the first instance so failing to pay won't mean you automatically end up with a criminal record.

Yuri Bashment (ShariVari), Monday, 10 March 2014 13:13 (six years ago) link

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/bbc/10701148/Noel-Edmonds-Its-time-to-sell-the-BBC...and-we-could-buy-it.html

Original article is behind the times paywall. It's every bit as nuts as you'd expect:

Obviously from a business perspective we are not about to reveal our plans in detail, but our new BBC will not be encumbered with the infrastructure and practices of traditional broadcasting. Today every phone owner is, in effect, a broadcaster. Your smart TV is a studio and your PC is a radio station. You are the master of your media. Such mastery makes a mockery of an organisation that operates more than 50 channels at a cost of £5bn.

Under our plans, the new BBC becomes as important to the consumer as the hardware without which none of us can now function. We refer to this as BBC Gaia — a lifestyle in which the new BBC is the default position for all consumer information, education and entertainment. It’s our 21st-century Reithian vision.

sktsh, Sunday, 16 March 2014 14:33 (six years ago) link

nothing says Lord Reith like Deal or No Deal

pings can only get wetter (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 16 March 2014 14:35 (six years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAo-xyIEEkI

oppet, Sunday, 16 March 2014 18:22 (six years ago) link

^ we refer to this as BBC Gaia

sktsh, Sunday, 16 March 2014 19:22 (six years ago) link

the review show was fucking terrible, good riddance

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 27 March 2014 22:09 (six years ago) link

however, what will bidisha do now??

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 27 March 2014 22:09 (six years ago) link

too soon?

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 27 March 2014 22:10 (six years ago) link

That article is from match 2013

koogs, Thursday, 27 March 2014 22:22 (six years ago) link

March 2013

koogs, Thursday, 27 March 2014 22:22 (six years ago) link

once a month is still TOO MUCH

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 27 March 2014 22:27 (six years ago) link

The final episode is this Sunday, apparently.

painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Thursday, 27 March 2014 22:59 (six years ago) link

http://www.thestage.co.uk/news/2014/03/bbc-axes-review-show-20-years/

I hope they bring back Tom Paulin one last time, if only in order for him to call Harry Hill's X-Factor musical Zionist propaganda, or something.

painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Thursday, 27 March 2014 23:05 (six years ago) link

three weeks pass...

I just saw the last episode without knowing it was being cancelled, I hadn't seen it in a few months. It and Culture Show and any other similar programmes used to annoy me a lot but I enjoyed them enough to watch them regularly for something like 10 or more years; sometimes there was really good stuff in there.
I'd prefer to think the internet has replaced these shows than the idea that anyone interested in this sort of stuff has dwindled that badly.
BBC 4 really has turned to shit. I don't think I'd mind if BBC was sold, especially if it meant people stopped getting harrassed about tv licences, because I've always dreamed of not having a tv someday.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 18 April 2014 01:09 (six years ago) link

BBC Broadcast was already sold to an Autralian hedge fund several years ago. What other bits do you think should be sold? And who do you think should be the buyer?

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 18 April 2014 11:58 (six years ago) link

Don't think Robert cares as long as his 'dream' "of not having a tv someday" is realized.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 18 April 2014 12:53 (six years ago) link

I'll admit I don't know much about the issue and if I am curious enough, I hope all the facts don't take too many hours to read.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 18 April 2014 13:15 (six years ago) link

I don't even have a dream.

pick it up for ripple laser (onimo), Friday, 18 April 2014 13:28 (six years ago) link

just take responsibility for your own life and get rid of your own damned TV and leave the BBC intact for those of us who want it and appreciate it, even for its flaws.

it definitely wasn't designed to be a pants pocket player (stevie), Friday, 18 April 2014 16:26 (six years ago) link

and who want to pay for it

Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln (nakhchivan), Friday, 18 April 2014 16:32 (six years ago) link

not really any sentient argument for paying for market-level shit like bbc1 radio1 etc via a poll tax enforced by criminal censure

that shit should all be privatized and the less market amenable public interest stuff financed via general taxation

Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln (nakhchivan), Friday, 18 April 2014 16:34 (six years ago) link

I live with other people, it isn't my tv.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 18 April 2014 16:37 (six years ago) link

Actually, fuck privatising the BBC. A TV licence is cheaper than the cable package I'd inevitably be forced to buy in the name of 'choice' in a post-privatised world. I consider that my licence pays for multiple channels and radio stations where I never have to watch an advert for anything but another BBC programme. BARGAIN.

baked beings on toast (suzy), Friday, 18 April 2014 17:07 (six years ago) link

yeah the serenity you get from not having to watch adverts is probably less valuable than ending a system that criminalizes hundreds of thousands of people irrespective of whether they consume bbc content, two thirds of whom are women, along with plenty of non-english speakers, the indigent and vulnerable, whoever the capita tv licensing etc vermin can intimidate most easily in lieu of a search warrant, and dozens of whom are then imprisoned when they can't afford the fine

Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln (nakhchivan), Friday, 18 April 2014 17:15 (six years ago) link

I have a friend who said the investigating people she met were polite and easy to convince. But I get the impression others are more demanding? If I moved into my own place with no tv, would I possibly have to convince them I don't use the iPlayer or the radio function on my CD player?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 18 April 2014 17:29 (six years ago) link

there is no obligation to acknowedge them at all unless they have a search warrant

Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln (nakhchivan), Friday, 18 April 2014 17:34 (six years ago) link

But what if they did have a warrant? How much do you have to prove.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 18 April 2014 17:36 (six years ago) link

hundreds of thousands of people? really?
I know a real piece of work who takes pride in refusing to pay for a TV licence (despite being well able to, and watching it very loudly all day) and she won't answer her door unless you do a 'special knock' because she's scared of being busted. However, she's never had anything more than a letter every so often.

kinder, Friday, 18 April 2014 17:39 (six years ago) link

bbc scotland news is a disgrace. Biased towards the no to independence campaign. Its really turning me against the news department of the BBC.

Scooby Doom (۩), Friday, 18 April 2014 17:39 (six years ago) link

btw you can use iplayer as long as its not a live program. Just watch it after the progs finished on catch up

Scooby Doom (۩), Friday, 18 April 2014 17:40 (six years ago) link

they won't have a warrant unless unless they have already amassed or feigned enough 'evidence' to convince a magistrate that you require but do not have a tv licence

they very rarely obtain warrants anyway, there are foi reqests to individual police forces confirming this

"I don't even own a TV"

Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln (nakhchivan), Friday, 18 April 2014 17:42 (six years ago) link

so, they can't come in?

kinder, Friday, 18 April 2014 17:43 (six years ago) link

bbc scotland news is a disgrace. Biased towards the no to independence campaign. Its really turning me against the news department of the BBC.

― Scooby Doom (۩), Friday, 18 April 2014 18:39 (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the bbc will always act as a state broadcaster, supine to whichever administration, the most credulous of all tv channels during the iraq war and now happily normalizing/rationalizing the current government's welfare polciy (though there are minor correctives and exceptions)

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2003/07/bbc-j10.html

Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln (nakhchivan), Friday, 18 April 2014 17:51 (six years ago) link

I hate the way BBC News are pushing welfare bullshit, but I've heard that when the government of the day gets more than 60 per cent of the vote, which is the case right now, there's an onus on the state broadcaster not to challenge their policies.

I'm just wary of any privatisation, including handing over the licence monitoring job to Crapita, more than I am exercised about £12/month*.
Besides, you can use iPlayer and/or the radio without a licence. What you aren't supposed to do is watch live TV.

*The last time I had no licence and a Crapitan on my doorstep, he tried to front his way into my flat by pretending he was one of the builders working on my kitchen. He got told. The real builders were massively entertained by seeing him frog-marched out with 'You. FUCK. OFF. NOW!'

baked beings on toast (suzy), Friday, 18 April 2014 17:53 (six years ago) link

hundreds of thousands of people? really?

― kinder, Friday, 18 April 2014 18:39 (12 minutes ago)

uhuh, ~200k p/a

so, they can't come in?

― kinder, Friday, 18 April 2014 18:43 (8 minutes ago)

~99% time no

Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln (nakhchivan), Friday, 18 April 2014 17:54 (six years ago) link

Yet they never manage to catch Charles Moore, who writes columns about refusing to have a licence. BTW, if you work at the BBC and are found not to have one, you're sacked.

baked beings on toast (suzy), Friday, 18 April 2014 17:56 (six years ago) link

they would never catch charles moore cuz the capita salesmen who earn pro rata will always victimize poor areas

they have never visited me in an upper middle class inner suburb of london (full of tv execs and at least one bbc 'talent' nearby)

Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln (nakhchivan), Friday, 18 April 2014 17:59 (six years ago) link

Why is radio and iPlayer made exceptions? They don't have adverts either, so it is basically free in that case.

This has nothing to do with quality but one of the current weather reporters for Scottish news is incredibly beautiful.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 18 April 2014 18:01 (six years ago) link

I hate the way BBC News are pushing welfare bullshit, but I've heard that when the government of the day gets more than 60 per cent of the vote, which is the case right now, there's an onus on the state broadcaster not to challenge their policies.

― baked beings on toast (suzy), Friday, 18 April 2014 18:53 (8 minutes ago)

don't think this is true in any formalized sense, bbc kowtows via the natural inertia of hegemony in a a british context

section 4 of their charter covers informality

Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln (nakhchivan), Friday, 18 April 2014 18:04 (six years ago) link

nb i don't require a tv license, the only live tv broadcasts i watch are russian hd football or tennis streams, which still necessitates having a tv license since they are shown simultaneously via domestic broadcasters, so i take a bottle of wine to my (tv licensed) cuz nextdoors in order to watch them

Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln (nakhchivan), Friday, 18 April 2014 18:10 (six years ago) link

*The last time I had no licence and a Crapitan on my doorstep, he tried to front his way into my flat by pretending he was one of the builders working on my kitchen. He got told. The real builders were massively entertained by seeing him frog-marched out with 'You. FUCK. OFF. NOW!'

― baked beings on toast (suzy), Friday, 18 April 2014 18:53 (18 minutes ago)

since you had corroborating evidence from the builders you might have reported this to the police as aggravated trespass / harassment / assault / whatever and complained to capita independently (the individual wastemen presumably being logged to certain addresses and identifiable)

Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln (nakhchivan), Friday, 18 April 2014 18:22 (six years ago) link

lol

caek, Friday, 18 April 2014 19:12 (six years ago) link

I might have done, but since he didn't actually cross the threshold, all I could do was to escort him from the block knowing the 'trades' button didn't work to get him back in. If you'd registered that important detail you wouldn't have introduced the coulda/shoulda/woulda element, right?

baked beings on toast (suzy), Friday, 18 April 2014 19:26 (six years ago) link

yeah don't be so pissy, 'frog-marched out' left trespass ambiguous but irrespective of that, attempting to gain entry through impersonation is still worth reporting to the police

Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln (nakhchivan), Friday, 18 April 2014 19:36 (six years ago) link

Maybe less of the calling others pissy when in the midst of own epic attack of same - but feel free to call the cops if you're ever in that situation, OK?

*sigh*

baked beings on toast (suzy), Friday, 18 April 2014 20:03 (six years ago) link

nah not really trying to engage yr own ample delusions of reference nor remotely doubting the capacity of fearsome west end matriarch big suze to send the capita bro packing with his tail between his legs so much as avowing the general principle, since the next person they victimize may well lack capacity (linguistic, mental, etc)

these people are cunts who behave entirely unconscionably so it is worth pursuing them when they betray very least their own protocols, and possibly the law too, not that they would ever get convicted for that (although a quick search shows a couple dozen tv license enforcers are successully prosecuted every year) but it's at least dubious enough to report it in order to expedite a private complaint to their employer

Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln (nakhchivan), Friday, 18 April 2014 20:18 (six years ago) link

*sigh*

baked beings on toast (suzy), Friday, 18 April 2014 20:38 (six years ago) link

hey nakh do "market level" commercial rivals to radio 1 broadcast hour-long documentaries about teenage domestic abuse? do they play 65 hours of specialist music a week? do young people not deserve to have their culture reflected on the radio without being told what kind of pizza to be eating and what sort of mobile phones to buy?

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 19 April 2014 09:36 (six years ago) link

fuck outta here

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 19 April 2014 09:38 (six years ago) link

that shit should all be privatized and the less market amenable public interest stuff financed via general taxation

http://www.brandsoftheworld.com/sites/default/files/styles/logo-thumbnail/public/0018/4202/brand.gif

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 19 April 2014 09:39 (six years ago) link

I hear args (certainly from people in classical music/R3 listeners) that R1/2 is basically just a 24/7 commercial because it broadcasts music that is distributed by private interests. Unlike R3 which has much of its avant-garde funded by public arts bodies.

I love R3 but I never had much for this. The BBC is about all sorts of output, has always been, and then music fundamentally (by what it is an, by whom it is made by, etc etc) muddies the waters anyway.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 19 April 2014 09:58 (six years ago) link

how much of BBC output is core BBC? I ask because the BBC seems in my lifetime to have essentially become a core outsourcing department (with extremely expensive Big Four consultants and a high level of managerial bureaucracy).

However, presumably buildings (W1 and Salford), the full news chain of production (some journos, playout, engineering etc) are still entirely BBC.

my entire being revolts against BBC privatisation, but a combination of having to money chase the "you get taxpayers' money, be more populist"/"you're indistinguishable from itv/sky" right-wing BBC-hating fork, and an apparently supine news editorial policy means I scrape around a bit when looking for detail. plus an awful lot is spent on the bureaucracy of outsourcing, as I say (crucially, less than in-house production, but of course the money goes to different people).

probably still a higher percentage of arts programming, right? radio: 3 has become a bit of a battleground for the fork mentioned above, but although 4 seems to outsource to external production companies as much as TV, the editorial policy seems sound? Sounds from TH like R1 is still providing something beyond the remit if many popular music commercial stations. Olympics coverage was remarkable, an extraordinary feat of cross-platform broadcasting, but it knew it didn't have to fight it's wearying public funding arguments for that. what else?

Fizzles, Saturday, 19 April 2014 10:23 (six years ago) link

three weeks pass...

This is essential viewing whilst it is still on iplayer, could listen to Ian Nairn talking forever, wasters like Richard Clay, Helen Czerski and the odious Brian Cox take notes please. Not that any of them will ever be worth shit.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p01rn270/Nairn_Across_Britain_From_London_to_Lancashire/

under the cobblestones, le dogshit (xelab), Saturday, 10 May 2014 21:17 (six years ago) link

yeah they're touching & awkward & beautiful & slow. some discussion on the jonathan meades thread

ogmor, Saturday, 10 May 2014 23:23 (six years ago) link

I am way behind the times as usual, what a brilliant and essential person.

under the cobblestones, le dogshit (xelab), Saturday, 10 May 2014 23:33 (six years ago) link

"yeah they're touching & awkward & beautiful & slow"
Just watched the Leeds to Scotland one again and that is a perfect description.

How do you rip these fuckers? Just tried it the google way and spent an hour purging all the extraneous malware crap that I got.

under the cobblestones, le dogshit (xelab), Sunday, 11 May 2014 00:55 (six years ago) link

the last time i tried to rip an iplayer show it was sufficiently difficult that i gave it up

Hastings Banter (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 11 May 2014 08:14 (six years ago) link

I think it's on iplayer for the forseeable future, don't know if they'll add more nairn but would love to see better quality versions of some of the stuff on youtube.

ogmor, Sunday, 11 May 2014 12:07 (six years ago) link


673: Nairn Across Britain - 1. From London to Lancashire, BBC Web Only, Arts Culture & the Media,Factual,Lifestyle & Leisure,TV,Travel, default, 0 days 0 hours ago - Writer and journalist Ian Nairn takes a journey to the industrial North. (1972)
INFO: File name prefix = Nairn_Across_Britain_-_1._From_London_to_Lancashire_p01rn270_default

available: Unknown
categories: Factual,Arts, Culture & the Media,Lifestyle & Leisure,Travel
channel: BBC Web Only
desc: First transmitted in 1972, writer and journalist Ian Nairn takes the first of three journeys north through the British Isles to look at the land we live in. Following an imaginary straight line between London and Manchester, and ignoring the motorways, Nairn finds it to be a journey of surprises. Nairn bemoans the pulling down of Northampton's Emporium Arcade and decries the bleakness of the M1 motorway experience. But he is heartened by the preservation of Staunton Harold Hall and church, and by a Stockport shopping precinct.
descmedium: First transmitted in 1972, Ian Nairn takes a journey to the industrial North and finds plenty to comment about in a landscape of surprises.
descshort: Writer and journalist Ian Nairn takes a journey to the industrial North. (1972)
episode: 1. From London to Lancashire
episodenum: 1
episodeshort: From London to Lancashire
expiry: 2099-01-01T00:00:00Z
expiryrel: in 84 years 234 days 11 hours

84 years...

koogs, Sunday, 11 May 2014 12:12 (six years ago) link

I know bbc are working backwards to digitize everything but it's so slow you'd think they could fish out obviously special stuff like this and get 3 months behind on newsround or whatever

ogmor, Sunday, 11 May 2014 12:23 (six years ago) link

The slow part of the process is rights clearance, unfortunately.

stet, Sunday, 11 May 2014 13:30 (six years ago) link

They have collections of stuff that's up for ever already, eg all these documentaries on London:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/collections/p00synd3/london

Alba, Sunday, 11 May 2014 17:59 (six years ago) link

And these, on postwar architecture:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/collections/p01s0hpy/post-war-architecture

Alba, Sunday, 11 May 2014 18:00 (six years ago) link

How do you rip these fuckers? Just tried it the google way and spent an hour purging all the extraneous malware crap that I got

You can download them on t0rrentz and then rip them using software like Nero or Toast.

goth colouring book (anagram), Sunday, 11 May 2014 18:06 (six years ago) link

I have done more research and currently recording an episode using WM recorder, if it is successful I will upload the results.

under the cobblestones, le dogshit (xelab), Sunday, 11 May 2014 19:47 (six years ago) link

(get_iplayer will download the original mp4s which vlc will happily play (as will my tv from a usb stick). dependencies are a bit of a pain though. easier with linux...)

koogs, Sunday, 11 May 2014 19:57 (six years ago) link

I tried that one earlier and had an absolute mare. It isn't downloadable from iplayer so I used WM recorder to download it is an FLV and then converted it into an mp4, if anyone is interested I will upload it as a torrent when I have done all 3 episodes.

under the cobblestones, le dogshit (xelab), Sunday, 11 May 2014 20:14 (six years ago) link

Forget it, i dont think this shit works tbh.

under the cobblestones, le dogshit (xelab), Sunday, 11 May 2014 22:17 (six years ago) link

Open link in new tab individually and click on download.

under the cobblestones, le dogshit (xelab), Sunday, 11 May 2014 22:20 (six years ago) link

Fuck you BBC.

under the cobblestones, le dogshit (xelab), Sunday, 11 May 2014 22:21 (six years ago) link

Don't do that here please

stet, Sunday, 11 May 2014 23:29 (six years ago) link

Oops sorry. I thought it might be too obscure to be a copyright infringement issue.

under the cobblestones, le dogshit (xelab), Sunday, 11 May 2014 23:52 (six years ago) link

get_iplayer hasn't worked in years has it? as a very last resort, after trying all the torrent sites (including the ultra-secret tv one that used to be thebox dot bz) then a fairly simple but timeconsuming way is just make the video full-screen and record the footage using a program called 'Replay Video Capture'. done this a few times with the adam curtis videos on his blog that are otherwise completely undownloadable (and seem at risk of being taken down on a whim)

NI, Wednesday, 14 May 2014 02:53 (six years ago) link

I use get-iplayer all the time, mainly for time-lapsing radio (because I prefer winamp to their little web based widget). The original was forked a few years ago after the bloke lost interest. And it can be a fiddle getting all the dependencies installed, especially on windows, but seems stable enough on Linux (and, indeed, still gets frequent updates)

koogs, Wednesday, 14 May 2014 04:29 (six years ago) link

(Time-shifting, I think I mean)

koogs, Wednesday, 14 May 2014 04:30 (six years ago) link

ah great, i'll get hold of that again. but yeah, Replay Video Capture is the ultimate failsafe solution for grabbing protected online video/audio, v useful

NI, Wednesday, 14 May 2014 13:36 (six years ago) link

bit off topic and only of interest to london ilxors, but given recent talk of nairn some of you might be interested in this

http://www.stokenewingtonliteraryfestival.com/snlf_events/ian-nairn-poet-of-subtopia-with-gillian-darley-and-ken-worpole/

sktsh, Thursday, 15 May 2014 10:59 (six years ago) link

one month passes...

I notice Hugo Blick has a new series The Honourable Woman with Maggie Gyllenhaal and Stephen Rea, loved The Shadow Line so this looks very promising.

festival of labour (xelab), Saturday, 5 July 2014 21:22 (six years ago) link

i did too. first ep of this was pretty good i thought. maggie g's accent is surprisingly good

sktsh, Saturday, 5 July 2014 21:35 (six years ago) link

I didn't like the first episode at all. No sign of any characters I'd support/like/be interested in. And that fucking kid's massive watch thing that records sound just had me rmde.

oppet, Saturday, 5 July 2014 22:03 (six years ago) link

you think that now, but wait til he uses it to fool tim curry into kissing a bellhop

sktsh, Saturday, 5 July 2014 22:12 (six years ago) link

Playing fucking radiohead to convey sadness, fuck this this shit already. Can't watch another minute of this.

festival of labour (xelab), Sunday, 6 July 2014 00:05 (six years ago) link

http://www.bbc.co.uk/cbbc/shows/strange-hill-high

this is genuinely good, not "good for a CBBC show" good, genuinely laugh out loud good

Daphnis Celesta, Sunday, 13 July 2014 16:39 (six years ago) link

one month passes...

Rona Fairhead looks set to take over:

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/aug/31/rona-fairhead-confirmed-chair-bbc-trust

Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Sunday, 31 August 2014 14:48 (six years ago) link

three months pass...

I loved the Neil Baldwin biopic Marvellous. Toby Jones was excellent as was the real former Stoke kit-man Neil Baldwin. Quite good for the beeb was this, credit where it is due, it was quite beautiful actually.

xelab, Saturday, 13 December 2014 04:21 (five years ago) link

heard v good things about this - thanks for reminding me xelab. going on the christmas watch list.

Fizzles, Sunday, 14 December 2014 09:49 (five years ago) link

two months pass...

Hodge going HAM remains one of the most repellent sights in British politics but is the general feeling that Fairhead is dead in the water?

Rainbow DAESH (ShariVari), Monday, 9 March 2015 19:23 (five years ago) link

even aside from HSBC, fairhead's in charge of a body that everyone agrees won't be around after the next charter renewal so putting the boot into her takes about as much courage as pissing on a snail

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 9 March 2015 20:39 (five years ago) link

three weeks pass...

This issue doesn't only refer to the BBC although I suspect they have stricter guidelines than other UK channels.

The BBC's coverage of the start of the general election campaign included footage of Cameron, Milliband, Clegg and then Nigel Farage, in that order. I was left wondering why Farage was considered quotable compared to the other parties including the Greens, SNP, Plaid Cymru and Sinn Fein?

djh, Monday, 30 March 2015 22:07 (five years ago) link

SNP = Jocks, PC = Taffs, SF = Paddies, Greens = hippies. Seriously though, why mention Sinn Fein when the DUP is the biggest party in Northern Ireland and, unlike Sinn Fein, sits in the House of Commons?

Bees and the Law (Tom D.), Monday, 30 March 2015 23:14 (five years ago) link

North-west M62 corridor seems best placed to submerge individual civic identities into a dystopian sprawling mega-city to somewhat rebalance UK economy and society away from London

This be the jokeyjoke that hath occurred to me (Bananaman Begins), Tuesday, 31 March 2015 08:36 (five years ago) link

^ achievable policies for a sensibler britain

This be the jokeyjoke that hath occurred to me (Bananaman Begins), Tuesday, 31 March 2015 08:37 (five years ago) link

I was left wondering why Farage was considered quotable

have you seen the man speak? he's made for TV

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 31 March 2015 10:03 (five years ago) link

Usually he's just reading tabloid headlines held up for him off camera.

nashwan, Tuesday, 31 March 2015 10:13 (five years ago) link

Why not DUP? Forgot them - they would have been next after Liberal Democrats based on the 2010 election.

djh, Tuesday, 31 March 2015 17:51 (five years ago) link

four weeks pass...

every single quote in this is awful

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/apr/27/bbc2-controller-kim-shillinglaw-top-gear-jeremy-clarkson

soref, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 18:55 (five years ago) link

The reason why Mary Beard can crack a joke about Roman sex lives and – you know – penises, is because, you know what? She bloody knows her stuff about Rome.

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 20:43 (five years ago) link

Easy on my balls, they're fragile as eggs.

contendo conformo (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 20:46 (five years ago) link

tbh when they take the licence fee off them i can probly use the extra 12 quid a month

contendo conformo (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 20:47 (five years ago) link

Right-o. If someone promised to come up to me and grab me by the balls, I'd view them with extreme mistrust.

Giant Purple Wakerobin (Aimless), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 20:49 (five years ago) link

Happy egg balls day NV

kinder, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 21:40 (five years ago) link

o shit I forgot it was egg balls day

List of people who are ready for woe and how we know this (seandalai), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 22:15 (five years ago) link

New BBC2 shows include Phone Shop Idol about the search for Britain’s best mobile phone salesman, Chinese School in which Chinese teachers attempt to turn around UK schools, and Britain’s Hardest Worker, about low pay.

What can you say, really?

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 01:54 (five years ago) link

I came across this the other night - feel that rather than "injecting emotion" into their films and "grabbing people by the balls" documentary makers would be better off aiming for this kind of considered, nuance pace, and thoughtful non-sensationalist handling of the topic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0iPm7hUN0U

NotKnowPotato (stevie), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 08:54 (five years ago) link

TODAY'S AGING PUNKS DON'T GOT NO TIME FOR THOUGHTFUL NON-SENSATIONALIST HANDLING GRANDAD

TELL US THE TROOOOOOTH

contendo conformo (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 09:23 (five years ago) link

and BBC4, which she also oversees

explains a lot. Particularly the incessant, tediously reverent documentaries about PUNK ROCK, MAN, PUNK CHANGED EVERYTHING ZZZZZzzzzzzzzz

'come around to your house and fuck your ho' (paraphrase) (Bananaman Begins), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 09:54 (five years ago) link

It's not just punk it's full of incredibly banal programmes about any kind of pop music.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 15:04 (five years ago) link

The Dave Clark Five one was a classic of it's kind. Produced by Clark Enterprises.

Mark G, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 15:26 (five years ago) link

Clark has been a hotshot music media producer for ages, hasn't he? I think he bought up the rights to all the episodes of 54321 just before the first 60s nostalgia boom in the 80s and profited hugely off its reruns.

NotKnowPotato (stevie), Wednesday, 29 April 2015 15:37 (five years ago) link

Yeah, I remember the reruns of "Ready Steady Go" (to give it it's official title), and in place of the break between parts one and two, there would generally be a song or documentary insert of one (only one) of the leading groups of the sixties with a leader that was the drummer...

Mark G, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 16:11 (five years ago) link

It's just as well I video-taped them all, they never came out on VHS as a set (apart from one general collection, and one specific Beatles one), and never at all on DVD.

Mark G, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 16:14 (five years ago) link

one month passes...

Although Inverdale will remain as a commentator, Balding will present a new highlights show, called Wimbleon 2Day.

Would like to have been at the meeting where they came up with this controversial new name for a show.

bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 11:51 (five years ago) link

"WIN"-bledon

transparent play for gifs (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 12:45 (five years ago) link

kings of wimbleon

Keep calm and wimble on

kinder, Wednesday, 10 June 2015 15:06 (five years ago) link

Thy Wimbledon

the discussions, the slanging matches, the banter, the lot (imago), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 15:09 (five years ago) link

womenbledon for the women's highlights and wimbledmen for the men's.

bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 15:10 (five years ago) link

actually no, we've gone way beyond that as a society -

"people playing tennis"

bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 10 June 2015 15:11 (five years ago) link

I swear this was an actual thing in the W1A series just finished.

the bowels are not what they seem (aldo), Thursday, 11 June 2015 09:07 (five years ago) link

That series ended REALLY abruptly imo.

ONE OF THEM FUCKING JESUS (stevie), Thursday, 11 June 2015 09:17 (five years ago) link

I think all the series of it and TwentyTwelve had oddly hanging endings, but you're right, this one just stopped mid-conversation - when Anna Rampton said she was taking him to the restaurant?

the bowels are not what they seem (aldo), Thursday, 11 June 2015 09:34 (five years ago) link

exactly! i was checking iplayer for a fifth episode for days until it dawned on me

ONE OF THEM FUCKING JESUS (stevie), Thursday, 11 June 2015 10:34 (five years ago) link

one month passes...

Treasury approved use of the licence fee

Possibly Fingers (Tom D.), Tuesday, 21 July 2015 09:14 (five years ago) link

lol

2011’s flagrantly ceremonious rock-opera (Bananaman Begins), Tuesday, 21 July 2015 11:53 (five years ago) link

going to defend that as the underlying message is that social housing is good and necessary

transparent play for gifs (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 21 July 2015 11:55 (five years ago) link

For people who 'deserve it'.

Possibly Fingers (Tom D.), Tuesday, 21 July 2015 11:57 (five years ago) link

It's 'Saints & Scroungers' all over again.

Possibly Fingers (Tom D.), Tuesday, 21 July 2015 11:59 (five years ago) link

'Saints', fucking repulsive.

Possibly Fingers (Tom D.), Tuesday, 21 July 2015 11:59 (five years ago) link

see, there are GOOD GUYS
and then there are BAD GUYS

transparent play for gifs (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 21 July 2015 12:00 (five years ago) link

there are BRITISH VALUES

Live Aid: JFC (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 21 July 2015 12:01 (five years ago) link

could be improved by setting several families against each other to compete for one house, get them to dig up dirt on each other

ogmor, Tuesday, 21 July 2015 12:01 (five years ago) link

can see why govt wants to reduce this bastion of left wing opposition, the moral conscience of the nation

2011’s flagrantly ceremonious rock-opera (Bananaman Begins), Tuesday, 21 July 2015 12:08 (five years ago) link

"On the trail of a tenancy cheat"

They should do a series about rich people buying up discounted social housing to make a killing on the open market, for the sake of fairness. "The BBC strives to be fair to all... etc x0===

xelab, Tuesday, 21 July 2015 13:35 (five years ago) link

agree 100000000000000000000000000%

where is the fucking prestige doc on this, it touches basically everyone's lives

transparent play for gifs (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 21 July 2015 13:37 (five years ago) link

> They should do a series about rich people buying up discounted social housing to make a killing on the open market

homes under the hammer

koogs, Tuesday, 21 July 2015 14:18 (five years ago) link

ten months pass...

https://twitter.com/BBCNewsMagazine/status/739839557487763456

if not in bad taste, the tone of this is certainly pretty weird, right?

japanese mage (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 7 June 2016 09:16 (four years ago) link

yeah it is. feels like it's biting on US style true crime programmes, but BBC+English setting makes it feel weird, and the whole thing is a bit queasy.

Fizzles, Tuesday, 7 June 2016 11:59 (four years ago) link

#content

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 7 June 2016 15:13 (four years ago) link

two months pass...

a friend just shared this

http://tonygarnett.info/tony-garnett-on-the-bbc-files/?platform=hootsuite

fascinating insight into the historical politics of the Beeb

Len Bincowank (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 27 August 2016 09:04 (four years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Rona's off:

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/sep/13/rona-fairhead-to-stand-down-as-bbc-chair

The favourite to take over is currently chairman of BAE Systems - though he has formally ruled himself out already.

On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Tuesday, 13 September 2016 19:39 (four years ago) link

one month passes...

I don't know where else to say this, but Andrew Neil's obvious delight when Trump started pulling ahead made me so fucking angry and it was hard to not start yelling at the TV at about 4:30am. Always hated that fucker.

ultros ultros-ghali, Wednesday, 9 November 2016 11:26 (three years ago) link

hard to imagine what common ground andrew neil might share with a man with uniquely awful hair, a baseball cap fetish and a penchant for younger women

not all those who chunder are sloshed (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 9 November 2016 12:03 (three years ago) link

Yup. Andrew Neil is...not good. (Trying to manage my anger today).

Eallach mhór an duine leisg (dowd), Wednesday, 9 November 2016 14:02 (three years ago) link

just caught the end of ITV news at 10, and one of their Washington correspondents going in on Trump surprisingly hard, noting that Trump "had the active support of the KKK" and was key in popularising the "racist birther myth", warns against "normalizing" Trump.

soref, Wednesday, 9 November 2016 22:42 (three years ago) link

The same cunt who wanted to check asylum seekers' teeth to see how old they were, I believe:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3921030/Tory-MP-leads-furious-backlash-against-BBC-biased-coverage-Donald-Trump-s-election.html

The Doug Walters of Crime (Tom D.), Wednesday, 9 November 2016 22:49 (three years ago) link

Christ, when someone makes the BBC look left wing you know you are really dealing with absolute scum. That ITV Washington correspondent should have also mentioned that Trump had the active backing of NAMBLA, or least that was what was reported on the election thread a couple of months back.

calzino, Wednesday, 9 November 2016 22:57 (three years ago) link

I guess the ITV guy has the advantage of knowing that David Davies MP and the Mail are not going to be taking him to task for alleged bias if he says anything critical/accurate about Trump.

Expressing his anger at the BBC, Mr Davies told WalesOnline: 'All I know about Donald Trump is what I've seen through the British media, which is heavily biased against him.
'On the BBC it was clear that the TV presenters were appalled by his election.
'Yet many millions – half the American voters – must have believed they had good reasons for voting for him. Let's wait and see how he performs in the job before condemning him out of hand.'

jeez, what an oaf. (does he not have an internet connection? surely that would allow him to bypass Britain's biased media and find out some information about Trump from a more trustworthy source)

UK politicians who have officially come out as being on the Trump train: Farage (obviously), Jacob Rees Mogg, David Davies - anyone else?

soref, Wednesday, 9 November 2016 23:00 (three years ago) link

... Jeremy Corbyn, Nicola Sturgeon

The Doug Walters of Crime (Tom D.), Wednesday, 9 November 2016 23:04 (three years ago) link

I don't think that hamfisted Corbyn/Milne statement was actually meant to sound pro-Trump tbf, but yeah it does sound a bit like courting the legit-concernists, which is quite depressing.

calzino, Wednesday, 9 November 2016 23:18 (three years ago) link

Corbyn statement just seemed like an example of the evergreen "the lesson of this big event is that my pre-existing political views are correct" bit that everyone from every part of the political spectrum does when something dramatic happens. Liberals and conservatives are all doing their own version of this as well.

soref, Wednesday, 9 November 2016 23:26 (three years ago) link

Any media savvy person would know that the line about punishing political elites would sound like a Trump endorsement on this day though? Mind when your Communications expert is Seumas Milne, just expect inept garbage every time there is a press release and you might still be disappointed.

calzino, Wednesday, 9 November 2016 23:47 (three years ago) link

one year passes...

the existence of BBC4 enables BBC2 to get stupider and shitter, once BBC4 becomes wall to wall Awesome AOR Sounds of the 70s and Scando versions of The Bill the Beeb will have to make a new highbrow channel and so on and on until infinity or the licence money trickles away to nothing

The Dearth of Stollen (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 13:45 (two years ago) link

this is coming soon, no idea if it will be any good of course

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2015/civilisations

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 13:55 (two years ago) link

love Beard, hate Schama, don't know the other guy's work but I'm grateful for pretty much any history doc that doesn't have Tony Robinson in it

The Dearth of Stollen (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 13:57 (two years ago) link

Bartlett is good as well imo. Schama is a fucking tool and a crap writer, crap historian to boot. Just a perfect match for the BBC in this era, really.

The A Word really fucks me off. Lets stick to the N Hornby parameters of cutesy twee autism in middle class boys that is already total cliche, and then have the gall to label it "challenging drama".

calzino, Tuesday, 12 December 2017 14:09 (two years ago) link

god i could not watch that programme, musical cringe factor was so strong i was pleading with my wife to turn it off after two minutes. keep that shit on 6music where it belongs and i never have to hear it

faust apes (NickB), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 14:18 (two years ago) link

yeah I have seen no need to engage with that cobblers until some well-meaning randomer will reference it to me at work

The Dearth of Stollen (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 14:20 (two years ago) link

not even going to guesstimate the number of times people have asked me "have you read The Curious Case of that Dog?"

The Dearth of Stollen (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 14:22 (two years ago) link

Come come, we should all be pleased to pay our licence fees for programming like this http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09jxnv4

Oscar-winning Dame Judi Dench is one of Britain's best-loved actresses, but few people know that Judi holds another great passion, a deep love for trees. This programme, filmed over the course of a year, is a magical study of the changing seasons and their effect on Surrey, the most-wooded county in Britain. Judi has long been fascinated with trees...

Action of Boyle Man Prompts Visitor to Stay (Tom D.), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 14:37 (two years ago) link

Judi Dench: My Passion for Wood

The Dearth of Stollen (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 14:38 (two years ago) link

Youth Hosteling with Chris Eubank

Thomas NAGL (Neil S), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 14:40 (two years ago) link

Jason Manford Goes Dogging

The Dearth of Stollen (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 14:41 (two years ago) link

Impossible to see the join between schedule and satire there tbh if indeed it's happened yet

remember the lmao (darraghmac), Tuesday, 12 December 2017 15:30 (two years ago) link

three weeks pass...

https://www.buzzfeed.com/markdistefano/a-top-bbc-journalist-has-quit-as-china-editor-and-accused

She’s right on all points I think, but at the same time there’s something amazing about an organisation where you can publically quit and write a fuck-you open letter to your employers ... yet also continue to work there.

stet, Sunday, 7 January 2018 20:38 (two years ago) link

yikes. there are some bbc managers who take the gender pay gap quite seriously and are sorting it before the next financial year. and then i guess there are those who aren't.

i loved murder at the lucky holiday hotel, btw, everyone should listen to it.

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 7 January 2018 23:35 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

"McGovern, the daughter of a teacher and radiographer"

gonna stick my neck out here Steph and say you're not really working class

smashong pumpgong (Noodle Vague), Monday, 26 February 2018 18:38 (two years ago) link

She needs to get onto Lauren Laverne’s agent.

Posh people getting paid more was built into British currency at one time, right? Because genteel people were paid in guineas whereas pounds/shillings/pence for everyone else.

kim jong deal (suzy), Monday, 26 February 2018 20:30 (two years ago) link

Lauren Laverne is a similarly son/daughter of toil as Maconie is. i.e. regional accent but basically posh!

calzino, Monday, 26 February 2018 21:12 (two years ago) link

I know that! Tongue firmly in cheek (although her parents’ dads were both miners).

kim jong deal (suzy), Monday, 26 February 2018 23:22 (two years ago) link

sorry suzy, I should have known better!

calzino, Monday, 26 February 2018 23:56 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

This is amazing:

http://bbcsfx.acropolis.org.uk

The BBC has put 16000 sound effects from their archive online for download.

I will spend the weekend turning “Snow' surface grinder operating at steel works 1969” into an ambient techno record,

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Friday, 20 April 2018 18:05 (two years ago) link

I'm looking for Humphrys Death Rattle wav, but no luck. This is actually pretty good tbf!

calzino, Friday, 20 April 2018 18:08 (two years ago) link

"'Snow' surface grinder operating at steel works 1969" and "'Cock-a-doodle-doo' ships' sirens sounded" are both excellent, and this is only the first page.

I've always liked sirens, looking forward to listening to all 223 siren recordings on here

soref, Friday, 20 April 2018 20:43 (two years ago) link

"Specially created electronic sound" is a good search term for radiophonic workshop type stuff

soref, Friday, 20 April 2018 21:00 (two years ago) link

Having a hard time finding hauntological sounds in here with the 1.0 search function. There should be plenty but the keywords aren't matching.

A great thing for BBC to share though, regardless.

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 20 April 2018 21:38 (two years ago) link

three months pass...

every time BBC4 repeats the documentary Doris Day: Virgin Territory that title looks uglier and stupider and uglier

the Joao looked at Jonny (Noodle Vague), Friday, 3 August 2018 21:38 (two years ago) link

Good point. It’s kind of amazing how much I’ve turned on this institution in the last two years.

Britain's Sexiest Cow (jed_), Friday, 3 August 2018 22:41 (two years ago) link

The fucking state of them these days, all I can think of is people I really want to die and more people i really want to die and I'm paying for this shit!

calzino, Friday, 3 August 2018 23:03 (two years ago) link

still instinctively think the BBC is a good thing as an institution but the TV landscape is complicated enough in 2018 and god knows these dicks aren't doing much to make their own case

the Joao looked at Jonny (Noodle Vague), Friday, 3 August 2018 23:05 (two years ago) link

I don't think it is at all tbh. But my levels of hatred for them has gone through the roof in recent years. Refusing to report on that BMJ paper last year was the absolute tipping point for me. Not even going talk about their drama dept, but I'm still a heavy R3/4/5/WS user, and perhaps some of that content wouldn't happen on a commercial broadcaster, so will grudgingly admit it still does some unique stuff!

calzino, Friday, 3 August 2018 23:23 (two years ago) link

although I'd completely remove 5Live from that, as it doesn't seem any different to TalkSport these days, although at least they have taken the burden paying Motson a wage now.

calzino, Friday, 3 August 2018 23:28 (two years ago) link

difference is my DAB radio doesn't pick up TalkSport so well

the Joao looked at Jonny (Noodle Vague), Friday, 3 August 2018 23:36 (two years ago) link

good radio

calzino, Friday, 3 August 2018 23:37 (two years ago) link

it was annoying once the BBC decided not to pay for radio coverage of non-Prem games!

the Joao looked at Jonny (Noodle Vague), Friday, 3 August 2018 23:39 (two years ago) link

three weeks pass...

any reason why the Beeb seems to be broadcasting coverage of this pitiful boxing cosplay i first heard of a couple of hours ago?

Noodle Vague, Saturday, 25 August 2018 21:02 (two years ago) link

the reason seems to be "Stephen Nolan likes to pretend to be exasperated for money" but

Noodle Vague, Saturday, 25 August 2018 21:03 (two years ago) link

Is that any way describe a Papal visit?

Scottish Country Twerking (Tom D.), Saturday, 25 August 2018 21:13 (two years ago) link

three weeks pass...

"When Crouch was 'dissed' by Prince Harry"

ho ho ho lol etc... arrrgh! fucking privatise these cunts already.

calzino, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 08:58 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

Can add this deleted tweet to the pile now. pic.twitter.com/t2NosOwAZa

— Tom Mills (@ta_mills) October 29, 2018

brokenshire (jed_), Monday, 29 October 2018 17:44 (one year ago) link

so sick of politically correct whinging about death squads

the Warnock of Clodhop Mountain (Noodle Vague), Monday, 29 October 2018 17:48 (one year ago) link

I've not seen one mention of the United Nations rapporteur arriving to investigate extreme poverty in the UK. Another one for the dossier to be read to them before they are lined up against the wall.

calzino, Friday, 9 November 2018 15:09 (one year ago) link

This is atrocious:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/46147166

Ward Fowler, Friday, 9 November 2018 15:25 (one year ago) link

emily maitlis, how that boot taste

i want donald duck to scream into my dick (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 9 November 2018 15:26 (one year ago) link

another one for the dossier.

calzino, Friday, 9 November 2018 15:30 (one year ago) link

I've been in high-pressure press conferences. And the art is to ask the single most succinct question that will land you the best possible response.

lol, good advice!

calzino, Friday, 9 November 2018 15:31 (one year ago) link

never mind pertinent questions, you are just making content.

calzino, Friday, 9 November 2018 15:34 (one year ago) link

mr president this is not so much a question as a comment

adding:
i mean, she's kind of right? obviously the WH is being colossally dishonest abt what happened but it's ALWAYS ALREADY colosally dishonest and yet still "the rules and conventions" are adhered to day in day out, to be gamed by them ("them") and whinily invoked us ('us"). the entire set-up is bullshit and should be binned forthwith by serious media outlets soup to nuts, if they actually care abt informing their readers and their viewers. if you're going timidly (or even dickishly) to test the limits of the form, you should really properly test them and blow the whole thing up. no best-formed version of what acosta was doing was going to be the unmasking-oz moment.

mark s, Friday, 9 November 2018 15:38 (one year ago) link

BBC political hack admits that this game of etiquette/presentation is far too important to be ruined by journalism. Saying that, Acosta seems like a complete cock as well!

calzino, Friday, 9 November 2018 15:42 (one year ago) link

She strikes me as the type of upper middle class white woman who uses ‘with all due respect’ to indicate anger.

suzy, Friday, 9 November 2018 16:35 (one year ago) link

I agree with Maitlis.

Alba, Friday, 9 November 2018 17:32 (one year ago) link

I mean, if it was the same question being persued cause Trump hadn’t answered, fine, but it seems dickish to rob other journalists of the chance to ask their own.

Alba, Friday, 9 November 2018 17:35 (one year ago) link

No, I think you have right of reply at the very least when the Prez is making lame personal comments about you and your employer. That fucker needs reminding that he’s everyone’s employee, including the members of the press.

suzy, Friday, 9 November 2018 18:26 (one year ago) link

it's hard for me not take such a smug bbc crypto-tory twat as the right person to preaching political hack etiquette and when Piers Morgan is endorsing someones's "unpopular" hottake, you know something stinks a bit.

calzino, Friday, 9 November 2018 18:28 (one year ago) link

sorry garbled rushed post but with the BBC's record of impartial political punditry in recent years, she's really on thin ice and wanging bricks in a glasshouse and all that!

calzino, Friday, 9 November 2018 18:32 (one year ago) link

I don’t give a fuck what Piers Morgan thinks and I wish Twitter would allow me to mute him properly instead of letting “zingers” against him stink up my timeline.

Alba, Friday, 9 November 2018 19:17 (one year ago) link

If you mute him Twitter just replaces him with Dan Hodges iirc

calzino, Friday, 9 November 2018 19:19 (one year ago) link

But another annoying aspect is making some blatant clickbait that is 100% guaranteed to be endorsed by scores of other political hacks and guaranteed to harvest loads of US outrage, job done etc .. but then people saying "very brave take here.. etc

calzino, Friday, 9 November 2018 19:27 (one year ago) link

in fact using Trump for zillions of clicks is probably about the most cowardly and pathetic thing a political hack could do tbh. She's another one who makes me feel genuinely queasy that I'm paying her fucking wages!

calzino, Friday, 9 November 2018 19:33 (one year ago) link

Acosta may well have been pushy, greedy, but I thought his persistent point about Trump's slack use of the word 'invasion' was a rare instance of a journalist publicly holding this careless, ceaseless liar to some kind of account and by doing so, insisting that words matter - which is surely at the heart of journalism.

Ward Fowler, Friday, 9 November 2018 19:44 (one year ago) link

Sorry but wtf? How is she in the right about this at all? He didn’t “mistouch” the intern at all - that’s the Infowars edit that’s shamefully been circulated by the White House and which no journalist should be given the oxygen of attention. Like oh no Acosta asked too many questions and that’s just terrible, but this whole flimsy thing is resting on the false edit and that’s acceptable and not terrifying?

Also, fuck the BBC and their commitment to platforming fascists.

gyac, Friday, 9 November 2018 20:05 (one year ago) link

what I got from her awful piece was the sense that she is so used to working for the bbc that she has forgot to even affect an air of journalistic ethics, its all a game to her and attacking some hack for not being respectful and cowed enough in the White House is utter shit - and her conduct is problematic enough in the uk, but it seems even more ghastly in the context of a KKK friendly US prez.

calzino, Friday, 9 November 2018 20:15 (one year ago) link

iow, how that boot taste

i want donald duck to scream into my dick (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 9 November 2018 20:23 (one year ago) link

It's almost as if professional ethics is frequently a (self-internalised) justification for power worship

Tsugumo Alanshearer (Noodle Vague), Friday, 9 November 2018 20:41 (one year ago) link

just saying again that whilst the United Nations rapporteur is currently investigating why there is such extreme poverty in the UK, here are some of the News items the bbc considered more newsworthy :

How Tom Hardy saved bedtime

'Staunch to the end' PM notes to WW1 fallen

UK economy grows at fastest rate since 2016 (tldr version - lots of functional alcoholics buying shitloads of cans and bigscreen tv's from Brighthouse during world cup)

calzino, Friday, 9 November 2018 22:33 (one year ago) link

Nowt to say. Nowt you can say.

brokenshire (jed_), Friday, 9 November 2018 23:22 (one year ago) link

that's the "editorial" decision they made on the BMJ paper on PIP deaths as well. Some stuff is actually news you know?

calzino, Friday, 9 November 2018 23:44 (one year ago) link

There is this, but curiously it's classified as a Tyne and Wear story:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-46130355

Compare with this Guardian writeup with video, map, timeline of Alston's visits to different cities in the UK etc:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/nov/08/life-on-the-poverty-frontline-un-turns-its-gaze-on-uk

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 9 November 2018 23:54 (one year ago) link

Oh, I know, cal. It's absolutely infuriating. Crossed wires.

brokenshire (jed_), Friday, 9 November 2018 23:58 (one year ago) link

no worries jed

I didn't find that one on a bbc search of "UN Rappatorteurs UK", just some World Service programs about conditions in other parts of the world, but they've buried it in regional news. Congrats BBC!

calzino, Saturday, 10 November 2018 00:01 (one year ago) link

I more clearly meant "there is nothing I can say that can suitably express my anger and powerlessness about that".

brokenshire (jed_), Saturday, 10 November 2018 00:03 (one year ago) link

Thanks for those links, Tracer...

Mr Alston, whose work focuses on extreme poverty and human rights, said foodbanks play "a really crucial role... that real safety net so that people don't quite starve ".

brokenshire (jed_), Saturday, 10 November 2018 00:30 (one year ago) link

got to cling on to that first world status, much more important than a triple a rating - just keep 'em in that sweet spot where they don't quite starve!

But seriously I have had a few conversations recently about multiple people who have died in the last 5 years, a mixture of vulnerable people and people with other underlying drug/alcohol or mental health problems. Now all the maisonette flats around the corner mostly contain cramped families rather than the "disappeared". One person I used to know had got help with his alcohol/mental health problems and was found dead in his flat, and this goes back to depression caused by his brother's recent suicide. I'd love to talk to this rapporteur guy myself.

One of saddest things I saw in recent years was a very autism-spectrum type guy I used to regularly speak to, telling me he couldn't keep his dog anymore because they had stopped his dole, never seen him since:(

calzino, Saturday, 10 November 2018 01:02 (one year ago) link

three weeks pass...

since when has the BBC been outright tory propaganda. felt different ten, fifteen years ago

imago, Monday, 3 December 2018 12:53 (one year ago) link

The question isn't whether or not it's Tory propaganda and more how it relates to the government at the time. The BBC got a lot of shit for being too pro-Blair but it held New Labour to account a lot more successfully than it did either the coalition or the post-2015 governments.

One reason for this is, I suspect, the fact that the BBC is under existential threat from the Tories and is well aware of that and unwilling to antagonise them too much.

(Question Time etc are produced by external providers who are expected to abide by BBC impartiality rules but do so largely unsuccessfully - it's more fringe right groups that benefit than the Tories per se.)

The BBC *as a whole* feels like it's improved in the last couple of years even as its news and current affairs output had got markedly worse.

Matt DC, Monday, 3 December 2018 13:12 (one year ago) link

Unfortunately news and current affairs are the largest part of the argument for its continued existence

biliares now living will never buey (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 December 2018 13:14 (one year ago) link

when I was young and stupid (as opposed to old) I used to think Brian Walden really hated the tories with his contemptuous "I put it to you" line of aggressive questioning. But amazingly he is still alive and a recent wiki check showed he had run as Labour candidate in the 60's and Thatcher had some notion that the BBC hated them, apparently. But most startlingly there was something floating about on google about how it was Walden who persuaded Cameron + Osborne to do the ConDem rather than attempt a minority gov.

calzino, Monday, 3 December 2018 13:21 (one year ago) link

He was a Labour MP from 1964 to 1977.

Monica Kindle (Tom D.), Monday, 3 December 2018 13:27 (one year ago) link

i mainly associate him with Weekend World which was on ITV tbf

biliares now living will never buey (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 December 2018 13:31 (one year ago) link

I've killed so many brain cells since then, it feels like a century ago.

calzino, Monday, 3 December 2018 13:32 (one year ago) link

but I used to watch him through Sunday hangovers, back then. For reason I thought he was beeb.

calzino, Monday, 3 December 2018 13:33 (one year ago) link

i had to double check

biliares now living will never buey (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 December 2018 13:34 (one year ago) link

now i've just got "Nantucket Sleighride" stuck in my head

biliares now living will never buey (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 December 2018 13:34 (one year ago) link

"Nantucket Sleighride" amiritedudes? *high fives and misses*

Monica Kindle (Tom D.), Monday, 3 December 2018 13:35 (one year ago) link

LOL frazzled minds think alike.

Monica Kindle (Tom D.), Monday, 3 December 2018 13:36 (one year ago) link

Andrew Marr doesn't rock this hard

biliares now living will never buey (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 December 2018 13:37 (one year ago) link

The BBC *as a whole* feels like it's improved in the last couple of years

No Clarkson (who ten years ago was hosting the corp's most popular entertainment show and using that to take potshots at the then PM while being best pals with his successor) helps

nashwan, Monday, 3 December 2018 13:52 (one year ago) link

the BBC is like a tree that is rotten from the roots, rotten from the top and .. um rotten in the middle. A tree with Brian Cox at the top, smugly pissing on you.

calzino, Monday, 3 December 2018 14:14 (one year ago) link

Worst Christmas ever. Again.

nashwan, Monday, 3 December 2018 14:18 (one year ago) link

lol!

calzino, Monday, 3 December 2018 14:19 (one year ago) link

scuse me, I read that as worst Christmas Tree ever.

calzino, Monday, 3 December 2018 14:20 (one year ago) link

just stick R3 on for some medieval x-mas hymns and avoid the Dr Who spesh at all costs imo.

calzino, Monday, 3 December 2018 14:22 (one year ago) link

No Clarkson (who ten years ago was hosting the corp's most popular entertainment show and using that to take potshots at the then PM while being best pals with his successor) helps

and no Moyles

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 3 December 2018 14:28 (one year ago) link

for every Moyles, Evans, Clarkson that has gone there are still scores of terrible people who you are compelled by law to pay for. And none of them were tried for their crimes, although Moyles seems to have disappeared without a trace, thank fuck!

calzino, Monday, 3 December 2018 14:33 (one year ago) link

Chris Moyles can be heard seguing Oasis into the Courteeners on Radio X if you're really interested.

Matt DC, Monday, 3 December 2018 14:59 (one year ago) link

that cursed netherworld where he was one of the highest paid at the beeb was some kind of bad dream, you might be tempted to think. But no.

calzino, Monday, 3 December 2018 15:04 (one year ago) link

Shaun Keaveney's still on the books, the Chris Moyles for Shed 7 fans

Neil S, Monday, 3 December 2018 15:21 (one year ago) link

Stella Creasy will be a regular listener then!

calzino, Monday, 3 December 2018 15:30 (one year ago) link

In 2012 Chris Moyles was involved in a tax avoidance scheme[81] and requested a court order to prevent the press from reporting it, because he claimed it would infringe his human rights

can u have human rights if ur not human

makes u think

We're in 2009—it's time to take risks, (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 3 December 2018 16:28 (one year ago) link

just stick R3 on for some medieval x-mas hymns and avoid the Dr Who spesh at all costs imo.

― calzino, Tuesday, December 4, 2018 1:22 AM (three hours ago)

the wily Chibnall has outwitted you again by having a New Years special this year instead

sans lep (sic), Monday, 3 December 2018 18:59 (one year ago) link

As a tribute to his punch-ably annoying smug face and terrible writing I'll watch summat I got from the movie torrents instead.

calzino, Monday, 3 December 2018 19:51 (one year ago) link

gregg wallace and his unearned gurning

(in fact i still love masterchef despite this)

mark s, Monday, 3 December 2018 19:56 (one year ago) link

My Youtube history has some shameful stuff: DJ Smile, The Young Turks, H Lewis JP GQ interview, Eddie Shit videos, The Queen's Corgi trailer and even J Oliver associated Food Tube stuff. But I have never delved into that Masterchef space.

calzino, Monday, 3 December 2018 20:31 (one year ago) link

A bit of groaning and moaning about the BBC. In the end the stuff on post-truth and too big to change etc. undercuts what are a bunch of reasonable points.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 13 December 2018 23:12 (one year ago) link

and the new Eastenders set is going to be extremely delayed and several millions pounds over budget, which seems like an absolute disaster?

boxedjoy, Thursday, 13 December 2018 23:34 (one year ago) link

Not if it keeps Eastenders off our TV screens.

It's Beginning to Look a Lot Like Christ (Tom D.), Friday, 14 December 2018 00:13 (one year ago) link

we're due to play united there mid feb so i really hope its in ok shape by then

Moussa- ppl gon die (darraghmac), Friday, 14 December 2018 00:23 (one year ago) link

That is one of the best pieces I’ve read about the BBC in a long time.

It is wrong to conflate BBC News and World Service with the BBC, as it does, though. That’s only about half the corp and half the story. The situation in TV and Radio is different and they’re facing different challenges.

The BBC is also not doing a great job of describing all the ways it is trying to change rn. It’s an org that is good at resisting core change but nevertheless changing the outer levels quite radically and I think another of those is brewing

stet, Friday, 14 December 2018 00:51 (one year ago) link

seven months pass...

I find Simon Reeve's stuff seductively enjoyable but I don't really trust him in the same way calz hates Dan Snow

jou're much too jung, girl (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 19:54 (one year ago) link

totally get that. don't trust him either. something's up. don't know what.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 19:55 (one year ago) link

I think he just presents a specific kind of party line - Foreign Office-ish, really - but sells it as more neutral and exploratory than it is. Like I say tho, I enjoy his programmes if for no other reason than they show bits of the world not widely filmed.

jou're much too jung, girl (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 20:01 (one year ago) link

Same, about not trusting him. I've only seen the last series, Mediterranean, but he comes across as being out of depth, a bit of a lightweight? Which can't be right looking at the long list of series he's done. And yet.

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 20:10 (one year ago) link

from what I've seen (some of the Myanmar one) it's nicely shot and there are genuine attempts to capture the interesting details of the location rather than centering the presenter all the time. And they slum it with the hoi polloi and you get a good look at ordinary things like what the public transport is like or what life is like in obscure provincial places. But it's a very mediocre BBC voice he has, like some have already said ..untrustworthy. He sort of seems to typify that R Biggs classic quote about travel narrowing the mind - and it's almost like his entire knowledge of history comes from reading Tristam Hunt books at times.

calzino, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 20:32 (one year ago) link

I haven't seen much of his stuff I'll admit but imo that whole style just needs to go. it's patronizing even when it's good. i want to hear people talking about it from the inside. take one of the interviewees and make them the presenter.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 20:35 (one year ago) link

Bingo

jou're much too jung, girl (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 20:36 (one year ago) link

A problem I have with a lot of travel TV and writing is the overapplication of journalistic distance, like we know you they are coming from one culture and viewing another, know they are keen not to be appropriating anything, but giving up even trying to experience anything except in the most presentery way makes for shit lifestyle TV & books and nothing else. I don't mean they need to marry a local and spend a decade living with their family like I did, but the refusal to stake part of themselves in a place means you're just making a more highbrow version of those awful business travel shows.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 21:14 (one year ago) link

I like the guy who goes and shrooms with various tribes and takes the initiation ceremonies whose name I can't be arsed to Google right now but the stench of 19th century missionary comes off most of these shows. Palin kind of side-stepped it by playing himself as character.

jou're much too jung, girl (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 21:18 (one year ago) link

Yeah Calz and Tracer and NV otm. It is that. Inevitably you yourself, as a viewer, stumble upon a certain subject or country you happen to know something about as well. And then it starts to grate, realizing that if Reeve gets something wrong and on this off instance you can call it out... Then how much more moments must there be about topics you might not know as well, where his representation is just as feeble?

And yes, it's patronizing. The 'Tintin goes to Africa' style needs to go.

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 21:28 (one year ago) link

(apols for that terribly written post, the gist of what I mean is in there somewhere)

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 21:29 (one year ago) link

"The name of the country is important ..it was called Burma for decades of course ..and then the former military dictatorship decided to rename it Myanmar"

gr8 history lesson there m8 simon, you complete fucking cock!

calzino, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 21:37 (one year ago) link

changed the name to avoid confusion with the shaving cream iirc

jou're much too jung, girl (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 21:38 (one year ago) link

but to avoid just being negative the Turkey show had loads of great sequences, i felt like there was ground being covered that i hadn't seen before, he is pretty decent at talking to randoms and not talking over them

jou're much too jung, girl (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 17 July 2019 21:40 (one year ago) link

Did he at least brush on Kurds/Armenian genocide etc? Or does he go out of his way to avoid ~the inconvenient truths~?

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 21:45 (one year ago) link

xxp
at least they were spared military dictatorships when they had one that's sole purpose was
complete ruthless exploitation of all their nation's GDP and rubber and eradication of all human rights!

calzino, Wednesday, 17 July 2019 21:51 (one year ago) link

simon reeve is one of those guys who gets salty abt phds. I'd like to see ppl making programs about where they live but there's a lot to be said for outsider's eyes (esp someone you know how to take)

ogmor, Thursday, 18 July 2019 07:54 (one year ago) link

evan hadfield (son of the astronaut)'s youtube channel rare earth is what a lot of you would probably be interested in - he does this stuff v well

imago, Thursday, 18 July 2019 08:01 (one year ago) link

I like the guy who goes and shrooms with various tribes and takes the initiation ceremonies whose name I can't be arsed to Google right now

Rory Stewart?

fetter, Thursday, 18 July 2019 08:01 (one year ago) link

an old exemplar of the "outsider view" was Alistair Cooke's America series from the 70's. I mean some of it probably hasn't dated well, but it was always thoughtful type middlebrow tv, with it's own distinct voice. These days that type of series would be handed to some dim tory-boy drone, and be unwatchable shit imo. And also when they send dim tory boys to old colonies, that bbc house style voice is very bad. Especially you have become completely accustomed to it through daily listening to R4/WS.

calzino, Thursday, 18 July 2019 08:30 (one year ago) link

of course AC had been living in America for decades, but I suppose that's what made his observations, anecdotes much richer and more nuanced. These days the posh bimbos at the bbc are so mediocre and dull. It might have been ever thus or I might be wrong - but it's how I feel, and I can't watch about 95% of it any more.

calzino, Thursday, 18 July 2019 08:34 (one year ago) link

meades is the only person i like in this role because he is so outlandishly, transparently judgmental about everything

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 18 July 2019 08:38 (one year ago) link

and yes there was maybe a time for this style but times change

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 18 July 2019 08:38 (one year ago) link

suspect the format of a person that goes to different places is not going away any time soon

ogmor, Thursday, 18 July 2019 08:43 (one year ago) link

I used to like Prof Bartlett's style on the medieval era, his programs on The Normans and The Plantagenets was classy stuff. he should on the tv more often (unlike that boring windbag Schama).

calzino, Thursday, 18 July 2019 08:55 (one year ago) link

Visiting mom and little sis exposes me to the Beeb's morning schedule and it's really aggravating my depression, like being smothered by a middle England mattress party.

jou're much too jung, girl (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 23 July 2019 07:56 (one year ago) link

tbf all scheduled TV is terrible but this was the first thread I could think of and BBC1 is conceptually, aggressively life-denying

jou're much too jung, girl (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 23 July 2019 08:01 (one year ago) link

did you know simon reeve wrote the first book in the world on Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda

conrad, Tuesday, 23 July 2019 08:29 (one year ago) link

I did not know that!

jou're much too jung, girl (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 23 July 2019 09:18 (one year ago) link

reading about it doesn't exactly quieten my suspicions that he has spook-adjacent connections mind you

jou're much too jung, girl (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 23 July 2019 10:01 (one year ago) link

that pro-brexit, tory voting funnyman, and Spiked contributor Geoff Norcott has a program on tonight that posits middle class hypocrisy has ruined this country or something. I've seen enough of him on QT to see he's a wretched knave and I can't be bothered with hate-watching.

calzino, Tuesday, 23 July 2019 10:07 (one year ago) link

I like the guy who goes and shrooms with various tribes and takes the initiation ceremonies whose name I can't be arsed to Google right now

Bruce Parry, who apparently lives in Ibiza and takes lots of drugs there too.

Funky Isolations (jed_), Tuesday, 23 July 2019 10:55 (one year ago) link

that's the fella, glad to hear he's not just in it for the anthropology

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/5hn_aa1lMJ8/maxresdefault.jpg

jou're much too jung, girl (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 23 July 2019 10:58 (one year ago) link

Could only bear 5 minutes of geoff norcott complaining about the lengths middle class people go to get their kids into a decent school (lying about church, addresses...). He's no stephen colbert.

koogs, Tuesday, 23 July 2019 20:29 (one year ago) link

thrilled to discover that lying is an exclusively middle class pursuit.

The Pingularity (ledge), Tuesday, 23 July 2019 20:30 (one year ago) link

Yeah, tonight seemed a rum night for a vehicle for a right-wing comedian to get an outing to go "lol middle class guardianistas, what are they like, eh?". I lasted five minutes.

ailsa, Tuesday, 23 July 2019 20:46 (one year ago) link

Geoff Norcott proving that being a unfunny cunt of a comedian hoovering up licence fee money on the BBC is not exclusively a middle class pursuit either - despite appearances to the contrary.

Arthur Lowe & Love (Tom D.), Tuesday, 23 July 2019 20:49 (one year ago) link

"He claims to be the only outwardly Conservative Party voter on the British comedy circuit"

lol, as if

calzino, Tuesday, 23 July 2019 20:50 (one year ago) link

He's got Gloria Del Piero on slagging off the Labour Party. Good stuff.

Arthur Lowe & Love (Tom D.), Tuesday, 23 July 2019 20:51 (one year ago) link

I bet that took some heavy persuasion.

calzino, Tuesday, 23 July 2019 20:53 (one year ago) link

Good job that he himself supports a largely working class party.

Arthur Lowe & Love (Tom D.), Tuesday, 23 July 2019 20:53 (one year ago) link

his whole gimmick that he's the only person on this fucking wretched comic circuit to be an obvious tory voter is so laughable. it's more of a challenge working out from at least half of them which ones aren't tory voters - then most of the rest are arch lib melts who aren't very funny either!

calzino, Tuesday, 23 July 2019 20:59 (one year ago) link

LOL @ him rounding up some students, who didn't seem especially middle class tbh, doing his act for them, as they sat stony-faced and uncomprehending, and being told they didn't think he was funny. He then explained this away as them being too sensitive and taking things too seriously when in fact it was because NOT FUNNY.

Arthur Lowe & Love (Tom D.), Tuesday, 23 July 2019 21:05 (one year ago) link

I feel for the lad, I'm sure before all his Blairite compadres started taking on the real enemy he at least looked like he was different

Mr Jolyon Posts Next Door (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 23 July 2019 21:06 (one year ago) link

oh god I might end up watching it - just to see the arrogant unfunny prick doing his Voight-Kampff humour test.

calzino, Tuesday, 23 July 2019 21:12 (one year ago) link

Britain already has Jim Davidson, why do we need another unfunny Tory git? Or is this an attempt by the BBC to make John Bishop look like less of a wanker? (I have still only seen approximately 30 seconds of Bishop's act and that was more than enough)

just another country (snoball), Tuesday, 23 July 2019 21:34 (one year ago) link

Dunno if this is a post for here or lol we’re all gonna die but I will probably spend too much of the next few days picturing ian hislop’s fucking chortling baby with anuses for eyes face

shhh / let peaceful like things (wins), Tuesday, 23 July 2019 21:37 (one year ago) link

> thrilled to discover that lying is an exclusively middle class pursuit.

With the school thing he said that only the middle class had the resources to keep up such a pretence.

I watched the London news, which was a Boris election special, and it started with a list of all the great things had done for London whilst mayor - Boris bikes, the Olympics... He put London on the map...

(It went on to the garden bridge, the sweatbox buses, Heathrow, the riots etc so it wasn't all undue praise. And the vox pops were 50/50. Such a vapid 25 minutes though)

koogs, Wednesday, 24 July 2019 01:03 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

bbc doubling down on the distinction between 'said something racist' and 'is a racist' in upholding a complaint against a black journalist who was apparently perfectly entitled to say the former about trump, but not the latter

Explaining the Editorial Complaints Unit's decision on BBC Breakfast and President Trump's comments pic.twitter.com/LuJdjPNZll

— BBC Press Office (@bbcpress) September 26, 2019

now i'm not totally thick, i get where they're coming from, but bbc news reports say things like 'the conservatives believe that their programme will lower costs and increase competition' which is just as much mind-reading of motive than this is, and arguably more insidious. for instance conservatives may actually believe their programme will enrich their friends and increase party donations. etc

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 27 September 2019 08:15 (one year ago) link

and also, of course, she never even said trump "is a racist" in the first place. pretty poor imo.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 27 September 2019 13:00 (one year ago) link

she said something along the lines of "I'm not calling anybody racist"

plax (ico), Friday, 27 September 2019 13:02 (one year ago) link

right :/

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 27 September 2019 13:03 (one year ago) link

Forgot about this thread - more appropriate to paste this here

1) On Brendan O’Neill: on live television people say unpredictable things. O’Neill’s assertion that there “should” be riots if Brexit delayed was immediately picked up on and pushed back by Adam Fleming as well as other guests. O’Neill then appeared to backtrack on his comments.

— Rob Burley (@RobBurl) September 27, 2019

gyac, Friday, 27 September 2019 13:13 (one year ago) link

I was listening to much obfuscation and waffle from some BBC head on Today this morning. It's impossible to take this seriously as an impartiality issue, cos Fiona Bruce, Keunsberg, Robinson all should be getting the same treatment as Naga if they are truly concerned. It's completely bizarre that they gone to town on this one i.e. a clear cut case of nothing to investigate here.

calzino, Friday, 27 September 2019 13:14 (one year ago) link

the followup is great too xp

2) It is for Mr O’Neill to defend his position but given we can’t know what he was going to say in advance, all we can do is push back on air and allow other guests to challenge and that’s exactly what Adam Fleming did.

— Rob Burley (@RobBurl) September 27, 2019

'look, how were we supposed to know that this avowed piece of shit would say something inflammatory on our show anyway he'll be back on next week kthxbye'

weird that the beeb would choose to uphold a complaint about racism against a nonwhite presenter while ignoring complaints at least equally as valid against white presenters, what a tangled web, rly makes u think

Just a thought Rob but have you thought you could avoid such a situation by inviting, say, a balloon on a stick with a stupid face drawn on it, thereby getting much the same level of insight without risking calls for violence?

— Alan White (@aljwhite) September 27, 2019

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 27 September 2019 13:16 (one year ago) link

Just a thought Rob but have you thought you could avoid such a situation by inviting, say, a balloon on a stick with a stupid face drawn on it, thereby getting much the same level of insight without risking calls for violence?

— Alan White (@aljwhite) September 27, 2019

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 27 September 2019 13:16 (one year ago) link

I was listening to much obfuscation and waffle from some BBC head on Today this morning. It's impossible to take this seriously as an impartiality issue, cos Fiona Bruce, Keunsberg, Robinson all should be getting the same treatment as Naga if they are truly concerned. It's completely bizarre that they gone to town on this one i.e. a clear cut case of nothing to investigate here.


Remember when Fiona Bruce talked over Diane Abbott and tried to push Labour being behind in the polls?

gyac, Friday, 27 September 2019 13:19 (one year ago) link

I remember naively thinking she might be an improvement on Dimbers after her first QT performance. The DA one was her 2nd ep I think but it quickly disabused me of any such daft notions!

calzino, Friday, 27 September 2019 13:21 (one year ago) link

I was listening to much obfuscation and waffle from some BBC head on Today this morning. It's impossible to take this seriously as an impartiality issue, cos Fiona Bruce, Keunsberg, Robinson all should be getting the same treatment as Naga if they are truly concerned. It's completely bizarre that they gone to town on this one i.e. a clear cut case of nothing to investigate here.

This is utterly, completely otm. I don't understand why they're running w/ this.

Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 27 September 2019 13:24 (one year ago) link

The BBC pushed out a callous, miswritten statement written on iPhone notes in response to hundreds of complaints about Laura K’s conduct. They have their producers cuntishly dismissing concerns about platforming fascists on twitter. I think it shows which of their employees they consider to be worth protecting. Message received if you’re a poc at the BBC with any sort of public presence, I guess.

gyac, Friday, 27 September 2019 13:32 (one year ago) link

It is completely maddening that there isn't even any independent regulator like ofcom overseeing the bbc

plax (ico), Friday, 27 September 2019 13:35 (one year ago) link

so infuriating when you want to escalate a complaint and they're just like "we think what we did was fine" and that's it

plax (ico), Friday, 27 September 2019 13:36 (one year ago) link

ofcom does regulate the BBC!

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 27 September 2019 13:41 (one year ago) link

fwiw the BBC is inundated with bullshit right-wing troll complaints constantly, no idea why this partic one got upheld. I cannot see the merits.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 27 September 2019 13:43 (one year ago) link

Let’s all just calm down. Brendon O’Neill just went on tv and said people should riot. It’s not like he said anything awful like “racism is bad”.

— Nish Kumar (@MrNishKumar) September 27, 2019

groovypanda, Friday, 27 September 2019 13:46 (one year ago) link

In the politics of the present, when we are in a politics of name-calling and insult, I think it’s probably unwise of the BBC to be calling out people for being liars or racist.

Yeah now that there’s all these racists all over the place we’d best not upset them. Is the ‘liars’ bit purely to emphasise why they’re going so easy on Boris? The fucking cheek of these cunts blaming some kind of malevolent ‘climate’ as though they’re not a massive part of helping normalise it in the first place.

Blandford Forum, Friday, 27 September 2019 18:03 (one year ago) link

I watched the Naga thing today and she went as far as she possibly could to avoid calling Trump a racist cunt. Fuck the BBC.

Fox Pithole Britain (Noodle Vague), Friday, 27 September 2019 18:17 (one year ago) link

it's totally ludicrous.

it was entirely within Munchetty’s right to describe those comments as racist on air ... however, Jordan insisted she had breached editorial guidelines because she said the comments made her feel “absolutely furious” and that implied she was making a judgment on Trump’s personality, saying it is not the BBC’s job to be “calling out people for being liars or racist”.

This would be ridiculous wishy washy hand-waving even if she had called him out as racist but she didn't (though she might have well as done, because he is). She said she was:

"Absolutely furious, and I can imagine lots of people in this country will be feeling absolutely furious a man in that position thinks it’s OK to skirt the lines by using language like that.”

The Pingularity (ledge), Friday, 27 September 2019 18:36 (one year ago) link

🚨 NEW: The BBC executive committee have now emailed staff about Naga Munchetty which looks like a total reverse ferret — “The very limited finding was not about Naga’s comments on racism. That part of the complaint was rejected”

— Mark Di Stefano 🤙🏻 (@MarkDiStef) September 27, 2019

gyac, Friday, 27 September 2019 18:39 (one year ago) link

So the BBC has overturned the complaint:

🚨 Breaking: BBC director-general Tony Hall sends staff another email regarding the furore around the Naga Munchetty complaint.

He’s personally reviewed the original decision, overturning it.

— Mark Di Stefano 🤙🏻 (@MarkDiStef) September 30, 2019

Amazing how the BBC considered it necessary to go to all this effort to satisfy an unsatisfiable person, whose real problem was having to look at someone whose face he didn’t like.
https://theguardian.com/media/2019/sep/30/bbc-racism-row-naga-munchetty-complaint-was-also-about-dan-walker

“These two presenters have never made any secret of their left-wing and anti-Trump bias but usually in more subtle ways, such as eye-rolling and looks of exasperation when reporting on news stories. However, personal commentary on controversial news stories is surely going too far and is way outside of their remit. They are employed as presenters not political commentators and as such should at least feign impartiality. It’s about time they were reminded of this.”

gyac, Monday, 30 September 2019 19:08 (one year ago) link

If you're that up yourself and bothered about news values why the fuck are you watching BBC Breakfast?

Funnily enough a couple of my less reconstructed Socialist chums decided Naga was a government stooge months ago, over not much iirc

honk hunk blue (Noodle Vague), Monday, 30 September 2019 19:13 (one year ago) link

The entitlement expressed in that complaint made me think that it was made by someone foul and prominent, otherwise why give it anything other than short shrift?

coup de twat (suzy), Monday, 30 September 2019 19:27 (one year ago) link

I've never liked Naga Munchetty much either tbh.

Let them eat Pfifferlinge an Schneckensauce (Tom D.), Monday, 30 September 2019 19:32 (one year ago) link

(xp)

Let them eat Pfifferlinge an Schneckensauce (Tom D.), Monday, 30 September 2019 19:33 (one year ago) link

I have no strong feelings but anybody looks impressive sat next to Dan Walker

honk hunk blue (Noodle Vague), Monday, 30 September 2019 19:34 (one year ago) link

Goes without saying really.

Let them eat Pfifferlinge an Schneckensauce (Tom D.), Monday, 30 September 2019 19:40 (one year ago) link

people who refer to the BBC's "left-wing bias" have mostly become deranged or they are just very thick.

calzino, Monday, 30 September 2019 19:42 (one year ago) link

1000+ complaints about the brexit coverage in the last month. and the success of the naga complaint is just going to encourage them.

koogs, Monday, 30 September 2019 19:56 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

Response from BBC to my complaint about Laura Kuenssberg’s “punch” tweets: pic.twitter.com/NV2Q10vd0u

— Christmas Eve ain't what it used to be (@bloonface) December 11, 2019

cool

gyac, Wednesday, 11 December 2019 18:14 (ten months ago) link

As the BBC notes, their employee apologized for something she did. The BBC had nothing to do with this, scarcely knows who she is and cannot recall offhand if they've met her. They suggest you take it up with her directly because, really, they were all drinking tea in a sandwich shop at the time and have witnesses to prove it.

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 18:33 (ten months ago) link

It's almost as if they want the licence abolished at this point

éminence rose et jaune (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 18:34 (ten months ago) link

Perhaps they do. If you think the BBCs days are numbered, you may as well be in place to get some chunks of it when it’s sold off.

Bidh boladh a' mhairbh de 'n láimh fhalaimh (dowd), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 18:46 (ten months ago) link

Perhaps they do. If you think the BBCs days are numbered, you may as well be in place to get some chunks of it when it’s sold off.

Bidh boladh a' mhairbh de 'n láimh fhalaimh (dowd), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 18:46 (ten months ago) link

lol

Regarding today’s Politics Live programme, the BBC does not believe it, or its political editor, has breached electoral law.

— BBC News Press Team (@BBCNewsPR) December 11, 2019

gyac, Wednesday, 11 December 2019 19:39 (ten months ago) link

Leave Laura alone!

éminence rose et jaune (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 19:42 (ten months ago) link

They’ve taken the Politics Live where she made the remarks off iPlayer.

santa clause four (suzy), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 20:53 (ten months ago) link

the actions of a broadcaster with nothing to hide, standing firmly behind their politics editor, in whom they have full faith

Receive Your Simulated Fluids Before The End of The Year! (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 21:22 (ten months ago) link

you'd imagine that having her programme pulled would cause some consequences inside.

stet, Wednesday, 11 December 2019 21:44 (ten months ago) link

i havent that good an imagination tbh

Banáná hÉireann (darraghmac), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 22:32 (ten months ago) link

running slightly counter to the recent spirit of this thread the bbc will right now be extremely worried. boris johnson has said that he wants to reverse the “bbc decision” to charge the over 75s the licence fee.

in truth the bbc have played this hand extremely badly. they should never have agreed to Osborne’s arrangement whereby they shoulder the cost of the licence fees for the elderly and also the decision about who gets charged for it. i would say “zugzwanged” but the implications were obvious at the time and the bbc went whistling into dead end alley rather than being the victims of a high calibre chess strategy.

the budgetary impact is eye watering and would see a wholesale transformation of the bbc, its remit and its force as a mini industry within media as britain.

Fizzles, Sunday, 15 December 2019 00:23 (ten months ago) link

First you fuck it up, then you privatise it, right?

stet, Sunday, 15 December 2019 00:29 (ten months ago) link

Well I guess the first stage of the plan is completed then

plax (ico), Sunday, 15 December 2019 00:37 (ten months ago) link

First you fuck it up, then you privatise it, right?


yep.

Fizzles, Sunday, 15 December 2019 17:50 (ten months ago) link

License fee avoidance decriminalisation seems like it might be on the agenda fairly shortly, which isn’t inherently indefensible but probably points further in the direction of making it an optional subscription-based service.

Srinivasaraghavan VONCataraghavan (ShariVari), Sunday, 15 December 2019 17:54 (ten months ago) link

1h ago 09:48
BBC 'played a part' in contributing to Labour's election defeat, says shadow cabinet minister

Andy McDonald, the shadow transport secretary, told the Today programme this morning that he thought the BBC was partly to blame for Labour’s defeat at the election. In an interview with Justin Webb, McDonald said:

Don’t get me started on the media, Justin. I’m very worried about our public service broadcaster.

When Webb asked him if he was blaming the BBC for the fact that Jeremy Corbyn did not win, McDonald replied:

I am saying that they played a part. I’m really worried about the drift. You’ve seen the catalogue of criticisms that we’re making.

We’ve accepted that the print media are rained against us, but my goodness me. I’m going to look at us.

We’re the important part here. We got this wrong, but if the BBC are going to hold themselves out as somehow having conducted themselves in an impartial manner, I think they’ve really got to have a look in the mirror. We’ve got a lot to say about this.

slanting coverage against Labour, McDonald replied:

Consciously, yes.

When you have a BBC presenter standing in front of a television camera saying ‘and Boris Johnson is on his way to a richly-deserved victory’.

McDonald seemed to be referring to the BBC political correspondent Alex Forsyth, who during one live broadcast referred to Boris Johnson winning “the majority that he so deserves.” From the context it seemed obvious to many that she meant to say “the majority he so desires”.

Webb put it to McDonald that this was just “a slip of the tongue” and that it was “madness” to read too much into it. McDonald replied:

How many slips of the tongue are we going to make until you accept it?

1) Am I mistaken in thinking it was LauraK who said the bold part?
2) The 'poor lab blame media' riposte will loom around the corner, but I think McDonald is fully in his right to call out BBC's shambolic and unbalanced performance during this GE.

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 16 December 2019 11:03 (ten months ago) link

On 1) you are mistaken, it wasn’t Laura K

stet, Monday, 16 December 2019 11:09 (ten months ago) link

1) you are mistaken it was Alex Forsyth, but Andy McDonald is also mistaken, she said "They have done a relentless focus on Boris Johnson’s promise to take the UK out of the European Union if he wins the majority that he so deserves."

it is more plausible to say she meant to say "he so desires" than if she'd said what Andy McDonald claims

Colonel Poo, Monday, 16 December 2019 11:12 (ten months ago) link

emily maitlis writes for the grauniad about her prince andrew interview

i was moved by the deep compassion she shows for jeffrey epstein's many victims, the way she deftly outlines how the global elite are heavily implicated in epstein's sex trafficking ring, and how the queen's favourite son is very likely a rapist

This is the discussion in the Newsnight office a couple of weeks after it aired. We still cannot quite believe it happened. We have to pinch ourselves seeing global headlines, day after day: the ramifications of all the painstaking observations he made to us in that hour of surreal television. I agreed to do an interview about the interview with the German magazine Der Spiegel. “Was this your ‘Frost/Nixon’ moment?” they asked as I walked in. I had barely taken off my coat.
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I gulped. It felt like the finest thing I have ever been asked, but I couldn’t find a way to respond without sounding like a muppet.

oh no wait it's a bunch of self-aggrandising bullshit in which she spends paragraphs fretting over how much deference she should show the royal rapist and the word 'victim' appears just once

WHEEL! OF! FORESKIN! (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 19 December 2019 13:14 (ten months ago) link

submitted without comment

Emily Maitlis is the lead presenter for BBC Newsnight and the author of Airhead – the Imperfect Art of Making News

WHEEL! OF! FORESKIN! (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 19 December 2019 13:22 (ten months ago) link

Fair play, BBC Radio Cornwall. A source is a source. pic.twitter.com/YKhcZb2ib4

— John Kerrison (@johnkerrison) December 19, 2019

glindr jackson (gyac), Friday, 20 December 2019 19:26 (ten months ago) link

Doggers be dogging

a very powerful woman in the dog world (Noodle Vague), Friday, 20 December 2019 21:17 (ten months ago) link

three weeks pass...

Samira Ahmed be WINNING!

santa clause four (suzy), Friday, 10 January 2020 13:38 (nine months ago) link

:D

always going to be difficult to defend a claim that Jeremy Vine was doing better work than you

The Masked Zinger (Noodle Vague), Friday, 10 January 2020 13:40 (nine months ago) link

yeah that was great.

Fizzles, Friday, 10 January 2020 21:46 (nine months ago) link

Very odd ramifications for the industry

stet, Friday, 10 January 2020 22:02 (nine months ago) link

Loved how Jane Garvey said something along the lines of ‘700k? It takes some men a whole year to make that sort of money at the BBC!’

santa clause four (suzy), Friday, 10 January 2020 22:12 (nine months ago) link

I'll confess to feeling conflicted. on the one hand yes, equal pay for equal work. on the other hand there's a showbiz aspect to it. different talent can negotiate different fees depending on their fame and bankability. Something like an organisation-wide comparison of pay across different pay bands feels more sensible. so that you can see it's not just men who are able to command the big salaries. I could be disabused of this idea though. in fact i'd like to!

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 10 January 2020 22:15 (nine months ago) link

poorly phrased but i mean i'd like to feel like this is unambiguously the right decision. because i am happy for samira and it's delicious to see vine's massive salary questioned.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 10 January 2020 22:18 (nine months ago) link

Yeah part of it is that people will tune in to watch <someone they've heard of/have liked before> doing something where they wouldn't watch <someone they haven't heard of/doesn't "connect"> do exactly the same thing. The disparities in this case were egregious and indefensible though.

VOTE! In the 2019 EOY Poll (seandalai), Friday, 10 January 2020 22:18 (nine months ago) link

there's so much subjectivity in the idea of star power or what makes somebody a draw. at the very least the BBC is going to have to address this in terms of dealing with employees more transparently and finding a rationale for their pay structure that's more convincing than the defence they've offered in this case

"Back Home" in Dari (Noodle Vague), Friday, 10 January 2020 22:54 (nine months ago) link

i think it’s saying unequivocally “you absolutely cannot do this” which is only a positive thing for salary levels for women and non white people.

Fizzles, Friday, 10 January 2020 22:55 (nine months ago) link

what NV said.

Fizzles, Friday, 10 January 2020 22:55 (nine months ago) link

Reading the judgement, it's more that while they would have accepted using Vine's "star power" as a justification for the difference, the BBC failed to show that it had taken that into account at the time, as it provided no proof that was case. All the other evidence it provided of his fame was dated after the time of the salary negotiation and was dismissed.

So it may not have set the precedent I thought it would, and will only mean more paperwork in future.

stet, Friday, 10 January 2020 22:56 (nine months ago) link

it's interesting that the institutional working of this subjectivity seems to have favoured white men for some reason

"Back Home" in Dari (Noodle Vague), Friday, 10 January 2020 22:58 (nine months ago) link

thanks folx i expected it would be more nuanced than that. serves me right for not reading up properly i.e. more than the actual article about it on the BBC and the guardian coverage! useless

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 10 January 2020 23:03 (nine months ago) link

i think a lot of restorative or positive discrimination judgments tend to mean “more paperwork” tbh. they tend to involve new types of administration and g owrnance to ensure unfamiliar ways of working are enforced.

Fizzles, Friday, 10 January 2020 23:05 (nine months ago) link

*governance

Fizzles, Friday, 10 January 2020 23:05 (nine months ago) link

Both of these programmes are ‘letters to the editor’ public service remit things so I’d imagine the fees for doing them would be on the low end, regardless of presenter, but never in my life would I have thought a female presenter of the standing to audition to host bbcqt would be on 1/6 the fee of a male colleague presenting this. Or that her fee would be under a grand for 30 minutes of Tx.

santa clause four (suzy), Friday, 10 January 2020 23:32 (nine months ago) link

Her fee was equivalent to the male predecessor of the same programme though

stet, Friday, 10 January 2020 23:47 (nine months ago) link

lol all of these people are paid way too much

plax (ico), Saturday, 11 January 2020 02:12 (nine months ago) link

maybe the long term result of this is that it will equalise at a lower level

> Her fee was equivalent to the male predecessor of the same programme though

true. I didn't recognise his name though, whereas I know (and like) Samira from Front Row (although that's quite a recent thing tbf).

the 6x thing is the bit that sticks in my mind. and the way that people are mostly seeing this as a gender thing when there's a race thing in there too.

koogs, Saturday, 11 January 2020 05:16 (nine months ago) link

I don't think that the BBC, in future, is going to have enough money to keep paying these salaries, to anyone.

Maybe Koogs is right: the whole top pay scale needs to come way down, and, of course, be equal.

the pinefox, Sunday, 12 January 2020 14:33 (nine months ago) link

How do BBC salaries compare to Sky, ITV etc?

Never changed username before (cardamon), Sunday, 12 January 2020 23:26 (nine months ago) link

Considerably less pretty much across the board, I guess depending on how you allow for celebrity status etc (Eg “presenter of a football show” might earn more on the BBC than one does on ITV)

stet, Sunday, 12 January 2020 23:55 (nine months ago) link

https://theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/21/bbc-defended-opponents-free-market-evangelists-institution

Another winner from someone earning a crust for nothing. The overall point is lost in shite like this:

Like every organisation on the planet, it employs humans who make mistakes, some serious.


Just...really weird how all of them were in the government’s favour?

steer karma (gyac), Tuesday, 21 January 2020 18:05 (nine months ago) link

Free market evangelists are closing in on the corporation.

THAT'S COS YOU INVITE THEM ON EVERY NEWS BROADCAST

the Swedish taboo (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 21 January 2020 18:06 (nine months ago) link

Lol yeah. I am sure the flat earthers must be days away from a QT invitation?

I had a long post on this which zing has helpfully deleted but the gist was tl;dr, if I saw <redacted> on fire in the street, I’d piss myself, and then I’d look for some petrol. The damage current affairs and news has done to the Overton window and political life in this country is immeasurable.

steer karma (gyac), Tuesday, 21 January 2020 18:12 (nine months ago) link

LOL OK

We'll introduce you to a #tradwife, a young woman who has chosen to be a traditional wife, staying at home to take care of the household chores while her husband works, and she is fine with submitting to her husband as he makes the key decisions in their lives. pic.twitter.com/4kbviYulcD

— BBC Talkback (@BBCTalkback) January 21, 2020

steer karma (gyac), Tuesday, 21 January 2020 19:17 (nine months ago) link

Likely a religious fundamentalist.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 21 January 2020 19:25 (nine months ago) link

It’s a fash thing actually

steer karma (gyac), Tuesday, 21 January 2020 19:29 (nine months ago) link

I saw that tradwife thing the other day and couldn't decide which thread it should adorn. Doesn't feel that far removed in the UK from 40s-50s fetishists in general.

the Swedish taboo (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 21 January 2020 19:39 (nine months ago) link

fuck sake

I genuinely cannot believe that the actual BBC News at 10 just did this pic.twitter.com/n6csMV9OOG

— Matthew Champion (@matthewchampion) January 26, 2020

chapoquidditch (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 27 January 2020 09:57 (eight months ago) link

seeing as basketball is almost non-existent in this country I might have had some "honest mistake" sympathy for them. But as it is the BBC I say don't you ever fact-check before broadcasting you blundering incompetent dickheads!

calzino, Monday, 27 January 2020 10:03 (eight months ago) link

I got messaged by an embarrassed bbc producer (regarding The Science of Evil program on R4 which was pretty good tbf) on saturday night after pointing out that Kubrick didn't direct 12 Angry Men, it was Lumet ffs!

calzino, Monday, 27 January 2020 10:07 (eight months ago) link

basketball might be nonexistent in this country but i feel like footage of a player who clearly has 'JAMES' written in big letters on his back might be a clue that perhaps it's not actually kobe bryant

chapoquidditch (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 27 January 2020 10:15 (eight months ago) link

yeah that is inexcusable incompetence tbf.

calzino, Monday, 27 January 2020 10:17 (eight months ago) link

James 'Kobe' Bryant. I'm quite surprised by the level of coverage this story is being given on the BBC and elsewhere tbh, he might be a celebrity in the US but he's far from being a houshold name over here.

Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Monday, 27 January 2020 10:24 (eight months ago) link

This is inexcusable, but ^^ yeah, same here. It's what I hate most of the US-focused media: noone knows nor cares about basketball here, nor the super bowl or nonsense like that. And yet we have to hear about it every time.

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 27 January 2020 10:26 (eight months ago) link

Same in France and Romania; getting massive coverage nonetheless.

pomenitul, Monday, 27 January 2020 10:27 (eight months ago) link

lads this isnt steve guppy its cristiano ronaldo tbf

Catherine, Boner of JP Sweeney & Co (darraghmac), Monday, 27 January 2020 10:27 (eight months ago) link

Down to the… allegations.

(Too soon?)

pomenitul, Monday, 27 January 2020 10:29 (eight months ago) link

Guppy had one cap, that's nothing to sneeze at xp

xp (right on time imo)

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 27 January 2020 10:31 (eight months ago) link

Typical Romanian headline: 'Donald Trump's harrowing message, immediately after Kobe Bryant's death was confirmed'.

pomenitul, Monday, 27 January 2020 10:32 (eight months ago) link

Since Sky started buying up all the sports people are interested in, the BBC is reduced to buying NFL highlights and then sticking them on straight after Match of the Day. Worse, they've hired Mark Chapman and two guffawing fratboys to present them in a sub-Top Gear blokey knee/back slapping manner.

Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Monday, 27 January 2020 10:41 (eight months ago) link

Basketball is popular here in France; we just had an NBA game here on Friday. It is getting massive coverage, that's true.

juntos pedemos (Euler), Monday, 27 January 2020 10:42 (eight months ago) link

Ime it's not unpopular per se but it's not especially popular either.

pomenitul, Monday, 27 January 2020 10:43 (eight months ago) link

in media coverage it's as popular as biathlon, no small feat!

juntos pedemos (Euler), Monday, 27 January 2020 10:44 (eight months ago) link

I mean, I talk basketball with a lot of French people and see a lot of jerseys out, but I live in the nord-est de Paris. it's not academic types who are into it.

juntos pedemos (Euler), Monday, 27 January 2020 10:46 (eight months ago) link

Crown green bowling gets more coverage in the UK. Quite right too!

Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Monday, 27 January 2020 10:46 (eight months ago) link

Litmus test for me: there's no coverage of the nba, of the actual sportsing I mean, in the Netherlands. Not in the main media, anyways. Yet this is on all the front pages and then some.

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 27 January 2020 10:48 (eight months ago) link

I think I'll stick to basketball.

xp

pomenitul, Monday, 27 January 2020 10:48 (eight months ago) link

British Basketball League

Bristol Flyers.
Cheshire Phoenix.
Radisson Red Glasgow Rocks.
Leicester Riders.
Newcastle Eagles.
Plymouth Raiders.
Surrey Scorchers.

juntos pedemos (Euler), Monday, 27 January 2020 10:49 (eight months ago) link

maybe too soon, but I was pml last night at Alan Sugar's dozy comment that helicopters "defy the law of physics"

calzino, Monday, 27 January 2020 10:50 (eight months ago) link

There's only 7 teams? (xp)

Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Monday, 27 January 2020 10:50 (eight months ago) link

oh there are a few more teams
East London Lions
Manchester Giants
Sheffield Sharks
Worcester Wolves

juntos pedemos (Euler), Monday, 27 January 2020 11:03 (eight months ago) link

the Bristol Flyers play at the SGS College Arena with a capacity of 750

juntos pedemos (Euler), Monday, 27 January 2020 11:05 (eight months ago) link

Radisson Red Glasgow Rocks

gee i wonder if the glasgow rocks have a corporate sponsor of some kind

chapoquidditch (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 27 January 2020 11:08 (eight months ago) link

it's also the B. Braun Sheffield Sharks

B Braun seems to be...a German medical equipment manufacturer?

juntos pedemos (Euler), Monday, 27 January 2020 11:12 (eight months ago) link

US basketball very popular with UK teens/young men, ime.

fetter, Monday, 27 January 2020 11:12 (eight months ago) link

Worry not, the Teutons will soon be ousted.

xp

pomenitul, Monday, 27 January 2020 11:14 (eight months ago) link

Since Sky started buying up all the sports people are interested in, the BBC is reduced to buying NFL highlights and then sticking them on straight after Match of the Day. Worse, they've hired Mark Chapman and two guffawing fratboys to present them in a sub-Top Gear blokey knee/back slapping manner.

― Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Monday, 27 January 2020 10:41 (twelve minutes ago

Yeah, I like NFL but this show is pretty awful. Theres always an insufferably pompous intro to the weeks action also. Bring back Mike Carlson from Channel 4!!

Saxophone Of Futility (Michael B), Monday, 27 January 2020 11:15 (eight months ago) link

lads this isnt steve guppy its cristiano ronaldo tbf

otm

US basketball very popular with UK teens/young men, ime.

also otm

GK Chessington's World of Adventure (Noodle Vague), Monday, 27 January 2020 12:15 (eight months ago) link

Not that they're partic good at it

I have seen the Lions play at the Copper Box. the standard of play was.... not high.

I like the NFL show ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 27 January 2020 12:17 (eight months ago) link

i regret to inform you that the bbc are back on their bullshit

BBC: "Is it racist to say there are too many foreigners in Britain?"

Starmer: "Can I just say how uncomfortable I am about that... We've just spent four days in intensive care with my mother in law where there are people of every nationality giving her the most incredible care."

— Dan Bloom (@danbloom1) January 27, 2020

chapoquidditch (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 27 January 2020 12:47 (eight months ago) link

"Is it racist to say there are too many foreigners in Britain?"

this is where an expensive education gets you

GK Chessington's World of Adventure (Noodle Vague), Monday, 27 January 2020 12:51 (eight months ago) link

Jeremy Vine retweeting P3ter Sw3den and doing a section on Tradwives in the same week as the BBC is begging for support is an odd look.

ShariVari, Monday, 27 January 2020 13:00 (eight months ago) link

I mean how is this anything worse than Generation Identity being on Newsnight the night of the Christchurch massacre

steer karma (gyac), Monday, 27 January 2020 13:07 (eight months ago) link

i'm sorry, the brexit what now

We’re leaving the EU this Friday.
Our Brexit bulldog will answer your questions.
What would you like to know about Brexit? pic.twitter.com/dsDjblapEv

— BBC London (@BBCLondonNews) January 28, 2020

the main character Cooly and his fart attack (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 14:03 (eight months ago) link

You heard the Man.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 14:04 (eight months ago) link

Nice of them to remember it’s happening (after taking the time to ask a Labour leadership contender about immigrants).

steer karma (gyac), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 14:07 (eight months ago) link

Why is it green w/ a yellow tongue?

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 14:07 (eight months ago) link

why is it exhaling bubbles? we may never know

the main character Cooly and his fart attack (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 14:18 (eight months ago) link

Oh my god that's freaking hilarious

prouders, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 15:04 (eight months ago) link

Why is it green w/ a yellow tongue?

It's an Irish bulldog that supports West Ham United. It's a metaphor.

Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 15:32 (eight months ago) link

BBC Alba can stay as long as they keep showing competitive sheep herding

steer karma (gyac), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:47 (eight months ago) link

Oh man I used to love a bit of "One Man and His Dog"

GK Chessington's World of Adventure (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 22:15 (eight months ago) link

I like Border Collies a lot and they are probably the strangest and most indefatigable breed of working dogs. Someone I talk to with two of them says even when he takes them on 10 mile treks they will be making subtle hints like dropping the dog lead in front of his chair to do it all again, within a couple of hours!

calzino, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 22:32 (eight months ago) link

We had the loveliest border collie when I was a kid. RIP ;_;

kinder, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 22:35 (eight months ago) link

450 jobs going in BBC News, probably not Laura K though

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/jan/29/bbc-announces-450-jobs-will-go-in-newsroom-shake-up

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 29 January 2020 14:23 (eight months ago) link

BBC News now easily outclassed by ITN apparently

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-51300799

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 29 January 2020 18:56 (eight months ago) link

you say this but
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPeE9UGX4AAkJdN?format=jpg&name=large

steer karma (gyac), Wednesday, 29 January 2020 20:04 (eight months ago) link

He doesn't even own a croissant

GK Chessington's World of Adventure (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 29 January 2020 20:09 (eight months ago) link

I can't really see what Peston is saying here.

I don't like him btw. Think he was OK in 2008 before he was over-promoted.

the pinefox, Thursday, 30 January 2020 07:05 (eight months ago) link

He's saying that he cannot step outside of his own privilege to report from a neutral unbiased position. However he says it in such a cluelessly privileged way that it suggests he has little sense of what direction reality even lies in.

plax (ico), Thursday, 30 January 2020 07:12 (eight months ago) link

Sarah Sands has resigned from Today with 6 months notice. I'd enjoy a bit of BBC austerity blues if it wasn't for the certainty that Today will still suck just as much shit after she's gone.

calzino, Thursday, 30 January 2020 09:18 (eight months ago) link

https://shop.conservatives.com/

koogs, Thursday, 30 January 2020 10:09 (eight months ago) link

Also great how all these wankers just stroll into other jobs with nary a pause - like it's the 1950s or something. (xp)

Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Thursday, 30 January 2020 10:10 (eight months ago) link

(oops, wrong thread)

koogs, Thursday, 30 January 2020 10:14 (eight months ago) link

or is it?

calzino, Thursday, 30 January 2020 10:16 (eight months ago) link

‘Victory’ mugs, smh

Bidh boladh a' mhairbh de 'n láimh fhalaimh (dowd), Thursday, 30 January 2020 12:41 (eight months ago) link

As an aside, I’m St Andrews there’s a Victory Memorial Hall, and everyone calls it the Victoria Memorial Hall. I find it infuriating.

Bidh boladh a' mhairbh de 'n láimh fhalaimh (dowd), Thursday, 30 January 2020 12:44 (eight months ago) link

Radio 3 right now: four white middle class people pondering the woke agenda

GK Chessington's World of Adventure (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 22:37 (eight months ago) link

jesus wept is nowhere sacred from this interminable fucking bullshit, it's like nazi america.

calzino, Wednesday, 5 February 2020 22:41 (eight months ago) link

It wasn't that bad, just funny

GK Chessington's World of Adventure (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 22:48 (eight months ago) link

I just remembered Newsnight is doing a report on the Irish election so I switched over. First fifteen minutes on the government threatening the BBC and worrying about democracy. If this is so bad, why is Laura K still in her fucking job lads? Ugh, wish Lewis Goodall didn’t go there.

hyds (gyac), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 22:53 (eight months ago) link

loool

imago, Monday, 10 February 2020 12:54 (eight months ago) link

> “It could be a genius move. They wouldn’t dare f*** with a Murdoch,” said one insider.

i think they are over- / under-estimating boris

koogs, Monday, 10 February 2020 13:02 (eight months ago) link

Although Downing Street’s dream choice to lead the BBC into a post licence fee future would be a longstanding critic such as Rebekah Brooks, CEO of Rupert Murdoch’s News UK, a figure such as Ms Murdoch would prove an acceptable compromise.

Sophie's choice between a Murdoch and a Murdoch, basically.

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 10 February 2020 13:14 (eight months ago) link

this such a fucking floater, this. journalism is so fucked

stet, Monday, 10 February 2020 13:27 (eight months ago) link

absolutely beyond parody, everyone involved should be shot into space immediately

Homegrown Georgia speedster Ladd McConkey (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 10 February 2020 13:49 (eight months ago) link

Typical of the I / Independent.

Carolyn Fairbairn seems a reasonable bet if they wanted someone with strong Tory links who’d have the experience to be at least partly justifiable in the role.

ShariVari, Monday, 10 February 2020 14:44 (eight months ago) link

any relation to the other great aussie (social) media dynasty

imago, Monday, 10 February 2020 14:49 (eight months ago) link

this such a fucking floater, this. journalism is so fucked


otm.

Fizzles, Monday, 10 February 2020 19:45 (eight months ago) link

v much testing the public temperature.

Fizzles, Monday, 10 February 2020 19:46 (eight months ago) link

Between this

We are aware thatvthe bbc is hosting a transphobic academic today to discuss our campaign - we were not informed of this, nor were we invited to speak for ourselves. It is disappointing that BBC impartiality seemingly does not apply when trans rights are concerned.

— Labour Campaign for Trans Rights (@Labour_Trans) February 12, 2020



and giving FUCKING Gl1nn3r a platform the previous night, coupled with the endless self-pity...idc, send in the vulture funds.

hyds (gyac), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 14:14 (eight months ago) link

what could possibly go wrong, just asking questions nbd

God imagine what people they’re going to get with this. pic.twitter.com/kNATeIqXeg

— Sinan Kose (@TheSinanKose) February 18, 2020

Generous Grant for Stepladder Creamery (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 14:17 (eight months ago) link

If only there was a good hardcore song they could use as the title/theme music.

babby bitter (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 14:18 (eight months ago) link

lol i was gonna say

Generous Grant for Stepladder Creamery (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 14:21 (eight months ago) link

they've changed the caption on this image now but the rest of the article is still fucking bonkers

ah yes, the two approaches to taxation: cuts, or punishing the rich https://t.co/hGbIY9QLEP pic.twitter.com/qrOeTy3qYf

— Stan The Golden Boy (@tristandross) February 25, 2020

Generous Grant for Stepladder Creamery (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 26 February 2020 09:28 (seven months ago) link

what a useless US correspondent, their US coverage on WS is often bad in my experience.

calzino, Wednesday, 26 February 2020 09:37 (seven months ago) link

They gave quite a lot of coverage to that Sir Michael Marmot/Institute of Health Equity on falling life expectancy in the UK. in the past they tended to ignore damning reports on austerity from BMJ and the UN rapporteur.

calzino, Wednesday, 26 February 2020 09:44 (seven months ago) link

*report*

calzino, Wednesday, 26 February 2020 09:45 (seven months ago) link

That's because he has a silly name so only a few of the crylaughing masses will take it seriously

imago, Wednesday, 26 February 2020 09:47 (seven months ago) link

big_lebowski_nice_marmot.png

Generous Grant for Stepladder Creamery (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 26 February 2020 09:49 (seven months ago) link

probably more to do with recent "we need to talk about license fees" chat from downing st

calzino, Wednesday, 26 February 2020 09:50 (seven months ago) link

never not at it

Can you come up with something else pic.twitter.com/BwAGCCq0lE

— shon faye. (@shonfaye) February 26, 2020

median punt (gyac), Wednesday, 26 February 2020 21:03 (seven months ago) link

Booming reply

Dunty Reggae party 🎉 (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 26 February 2020 21:05 (seven months ago) link

never not at it again

When Toby Young was on @BBCr4today to plug his free speech union, the "other" voice to ensure the balance the BBC so loves was Trevor Phillips.

Last night Trevor Phillips spoke at the *launch* of the Free Speech Union pic.twitter.com/FA242Y65Ig

— Ross McCafferty (@RossMcCaff) February 27, 2020

Generous Grant for Stepladder Creamery (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 27 February 2020 11:06 (seven months ago) link

tbf on the BBC Claire Fox wasn't available at the time.

calzino, Thursday, 27 February 2020 11:14 (seven months ago) link

that guardian article reaffirms what Local Garda was saying years ago tbh

imago, Thursday, 27 February 2020 11:32 (seven months ago) link

And builds on it tbf

imago, Thursday, 27 February 2020 11:32 (seven months ago) link

One notable incident came when in order to find an “authentic” northern voice, all plausible interviewees who displayed any obvious erudition were vetoed. In their place, newspaper owner Danny Lockwood was slotted into the identity sudoku, as his tone was seen to more directly signal his real northern identity. Several producers thought fit to mention that said individual was, in fact, a reactionary whose past achievements include mocking the “Zorro” outfits worn by some Muslim women. But the grids didn’t have any disqualifying categories.

Yeah, LG shared his experiences brushing on this. Damning, though hardly surprising, stuff. Get off the grid BBC.

Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 27 February 2020 11:50 (seven months ago) link

Not all national media enterprises can be guerrilla organisations my man :)

imago, Thursday, 27 February 2020 11:57 (seven months ago) link

Too true :)

Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 27 February 2020 12:04 (seven months ago) link

original full-length Fence article appeared a couple of weeks ago and is worth reading.

Fizzles, Friday, 28 February 2020 07:09 (seven months ago) link

just heard "Kate Andrews of The Spectator .." on an ad for tonight's Any Questions. She's their economics correspondent now it seems, what a fucking champion acquisition they've made. At least now BBC don't have to mention her association with that shifty right-wing think tank that loves to dump on the NHS.

calzino, Friday, 28 February 2020 08:12 (seven months ago) link

They've bumped Andy McDonald from Any Questions tonight because no Tory MP could be arsed turning up. Shitting it that having two lefties (Faiza Shaheen is there as well) picking on poor Kate Andrews wouldn't be balanced and lol impartial.

calzino, Friday, 28 February 2020 19:30 (seven months ago) link

https://lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v42/n06/james-butler/the-bbc-on-the-rack

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 14:06 (seven months ago) link

Is anyone else watching Noughts + Crosses & is it worth having a thread?

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 15:15 (seven months ago) link

is it a case of bbc doing something half decent for once shocker? I've been avoiding bbc drama like a fucking virus for so long now nearly everything they do is below my radar.

calzino, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 15:23 (seven months ago) link

It’s really good!

santa clause four (suzy), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 15:59 (seven months ago) link

is it based on a YA novel? because from the trailers i've given it a hard "no thanks"

Psychedics with Rosie Swash (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 16:10 (seven months ago) link

ok, googled and lol i was right. i'm sure it's got an audience, just don't think that's me.

Psychedics with Rosie Swash (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 16:11 (seven months ago) link

Yes, but it’s one that’s well known and very good. We’re not talking Twilight here.

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 16:13 (seven months ago) link

i'm not knocking YA fiction, i'm just far from the mood to sit down with something like this, if i'm ever in the mood.

Psychedics with Rosie Swash (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 16:14 (seven months ago) link

i'm trying to work out why that is, and it's partly to do with wincing at most allegories and partly not feeling...something...that i'll have to think about. i want to say something about not engaging with capital r Romanticism at the moment but that's not quite it, i have my own super-sentimental vulnerabilities. i wanna say it's something about cartoonishness in drama but it's not quite that either. absolutely it's me, not them.

Psychedics with Rosie Swash (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 16:18 (seven months ago) link

There’s a really vile Home Secretary in it!

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 16:21 (seven months ago) link

yeah i've seen the odd one of those irl

Psychedics with Rosie Swash (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 16:22 (seven months ago) link

This is the Children’s Laureate who is publishing her autobiography on #merky, and the story so far is great.

santa clause four (suzy), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 17:58 (seven months ago) link

It’s good! Only watched the first episode but I really like it and I was surprised how much I remembered from the book.

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 18:06 (seven months ago) link

I'll be watching it once I'm done rewatching all of Better Call Saul which is taking up all my TV viewing time at this present moment
Anyone watch Hidden? Worth it?

kinder, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 20:02 (seven months ago) link

Guess who they had on Newsnight to talk about Coronavirus.

nashwan, Thursday, 12 March 2020 13:25 (seven months ago) link

Kate Andrews.

God gave toilets rolls to you, gave toilet rolls to you (Tom D.), Thursday, 12 March 2020 13:27 (seven months ago) link

Oh probably her as well but no, Farage.

nashwan, Thursday, 12 March 2020 13:35 (seven months ago) link

Aw I was gonna guess Brendan

Psychedics with Rosie Swash (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 12 March 2020 14:14 (seven months ago) link

That was my initial guess but I went with oor wee Katie instead.

God gave toilets rolls to you, gave toilet rolls to you (Tom D.), Thursday, 12 March 2020 15:35 (seven months ago) link

Tonight, on BBC2, Miriam's Big Fat Adventure. On BBC4, Why Are We Getting So Fat?

Stay classy, BBC.

Psychedics with Rosie Swash (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 12 March 2020 22:23 (seven months ago) link

Still a bit irritated with Miriam, treasure though she is, after her programme about dying, when she filmed at a group my wife was in, yet for some reason concentrated only on the hosts running it, who are not dying yet managed to make it all about them, while the rest of the programme was entirely about the people actually dying and what they are going through, not publicising someone's business. She may not have been in charge of the editing I suppose.

Colonel Poo, Thursday, 12 March 2020 22:28 (seven months ago) link

This is really good:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p082wt49/the-unshockable-dr-ronx

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 12 March 2020 22:30 (seven months ago) link

I assume the presenters of shows are only that but I feel your annoyance CP. I'm peeved she's put her name to this grossly titled show I mentioned above.

Psychedics with Rosie Swash (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 12 March 2020 22:31 (seven months ago) link

MM is now a patron of the company so that's why I think she had some input into it - I think the general idea is good, and that's why MM probably liked them. my wife was not too happy about the people running it, which also colours my opinion of it.

Colonel Poo, Thursday, 12 March 2020 22:34 (seven months ago) link

The Govt need to start putting people on Newsnight again. Jeremy Hunt basically undermining the govt line there

stet, Thursday, 12 March 2020 22:43 (seven months ago) link

Newsnight is very good though. Just putting experts on air and letting them talk for as long as they need.

Miles away from the Farage ep

stet, Thursday, 12 March 2020 22:57 (seven months ago) link

Yes Newsnight finally remembering what it’s for tonight

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 12 March 2020 23:08 (seven months ago) link

fucking hell, need to get drug testing kits on the set if true!

calzino, Thursday, 12 March 2020 23:12 (seven months ago) link

Five Live: well, there's no sport to cover, what would make a good replacement for a Saturday afternoon? I know! Hours of cunts wittering on about the coronavirus, that'll make a change

Psychedics with Rosie Swash (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 14 March 2020 14:46 (seven months ago) link

Folk on Sportsound optimistically discussing the opportunity to bring in summer football in Scotland. No-one quite accepting that summer is probably written off too.

Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Saturday, 14 March 2020 15:49 (seven months ago) link

for another thread but it seems to me like the best option as far as running competitions fairly is concerned is to write off next season, suspend all competitions for at least 6 months and then finish off this season next year if feasible

Psychedics with Rosie Swash (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 14 March 2020 16:02 (seven months ago) link

That LRB article is p good

Never changed username before (cardamon), Saturday, 14 March 2020 16:27 (seven months ago) link

Finsbury Park pic.twitter.com/RSKxGQ5Pl2

— Dorian Lynskey (@Dorianlynskey) March 14, 2020

Le Bateau Ivre, Saturday, 14 March 2020 17:14 (seven months ago) link

shit chat

||||||||, Saturday, 14 March 2020 17:16 (seven months ago) link

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51979654

Continuing to ask the important questions like ‘what if most of the people who die from coronavirus would have died anyway ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ?’.

ShariVari, Saturday, 21 March 2020 09:04 (seven months ago) link

I was just thinking of how the BBC might be able to make itself a bit more popular if eg: it put BBC4 on for longer (at least say 12 noon on) showing nothing but classic old black & white British films.

the pinefox, Saturday, 21 March 2020 09:56 (seven months ago) link

I woke up to the immodest and tiresome voice of Bob Geldof on R4. He could bore a virus to death.

calzino, Saturday, 21 March 2020 10:04 (seven months ago) link

Xpost I think the problem with that is BBC4 shares the bandwidth with CBeebies. There’d be riots on the streets if parents couldn’t leave their kids stuck in front of Peppa Pig at this time.

Dan Worsley, Saturday, 21 March 2020 10:08 (seven months ago) link

showing nothing but classic old black & white British films.

We've got Talking Pictures for that - and there aren't that many good old black & white British films anyway.

God gave toilets rolls to you, gave toilet rolls to you (Tom D.), Saturday, 21 March 2020 10:23 (seven months ago) link

:o

mark s, Saturday, 21 March 2020 10:41 (seven months ago) link

I've inherited my mother's dislike of the British - or English, as she called them - films of her youth tbh.

God gave toilets rolls to you, gave toilet rolls to you (Tom D.), Saturday, 21 March 2020 10:47 (seven months ago) link

*john laurie's ghost weeps*

mark s, Saturday, 21 March 2020 10:48 (seven months ago) link

He's on Talking Pictures every day!

God gave toilets rolls to you, gave toilet rolls to you (Tom D.), Saturday, 21 March 2020 10:49 (seven months ago) link

now i want to watch "bees on the boat-deck" (1939 tv drama)

mark s, Saturday, 21 March 2020 10:51 (seven months ago) link

"old films" good, "old Mr Cholmondley-Warner films" bad but thanks Dan for explaining why BBC4 has those weird hours

I can't pay no doctor bill, but Whitey's on the McAloon (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 21 March 2020 10:53 (seven months ago) link

(xp) A 'TV movie' - from 1939!

God gave toilets rolls to you, gave toilet rolls to you (Tom D.), Saturday, 21 March 2020 10:54 (seven months ago) link

i'd happily watch old movies from almost anywhere rather than rolling quota quickies tbh

I can't pay no doctor bill, but Whitey's on the McAloon (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 21 March 2020 10:55 (seven months ago) link

Peppa fucking Pig isn’t on CBeebies! I know the whole point of this thread is to rag on the bbc but that’s going too far.

JimD, Saturday, 21 March 2020 10:57 (seven months ago) link

BBC plans include more educational stuff for kids during the day, given that they are all off school. There's a lot on the web as well, always has been, but a lot of it is still in flash and hard to play (but that's being worked on)

Also more box sets and stuff available for longer.

Tony was talking about it on the radio the other day.

koogs, Saturday, 21 March 2020 11:25 (seven months ago) link

Xpost you can tell I’m not one of CBeebies core demographic.

Dan Worsley, Saturday, 21 March 2020 11:53 (seven months ago) link

the educational broadcasts begin 20 April, divvied up by age group

Yes tons of stuff already on BBC Teach, Bitesize, Tiny Happy People (ugh) and more

I listened to last night’s Coronavirus Newscast (formerly Brexitcast) and I gotta say it was very good. no Laura K providing most of the basis for that granted.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 21 March 2020 12:13 (seven months ago) link

(Tracer, are you BC5?)

koogs, Saturday, 21 March 2020 12:20 (seven months ago) link

NBH but now WFH :)

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 21 March 2020 12:42 (seven months ago) link

(ah, ok. Your insider sounds knowledge made me think you were in bc5 because there's a big team over there. I'm on the team that'll be transcoding the bitesize flash video into something more modern - we've done 10s of thousands of clips already, but bitesize were a low priority, before Wednesday...)

koogs, Saturday, 21 March 2020 12:53 (seven months ago) link

(And I think we've met a couple of times irl, at the swimmer fap before a clientele gig when fortunate hazel was over? The Lexington perhaps?)

koogs, Saturday, 21 March 2020 12:55 (seven months ago) link

YES! We did! That was..... wow quite some time ago. We should fix that.... at er, some point!

Funny how all this low-priority stuff like, you know, education, basic salaries, the NHS, “suddenly” becomes important

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 21 March 2020 13:01 (seven months ago) link

BBC WS obit of Kenny Rogers: ".. he was known for such hits as Coward of the Century"

calzino, Saturday, 21 March 2020 13:27 (seven months ago) link

LOL. Lots of possible nominations for that title tbh.

Bridge Over Thorley Waters (Tom D.), Saturday, 21 March 2020 13:39 (seven months ago) link

I don't know what Talking Pictures is, unless you mean a BBC programme that's on on Saturday afternoons sometimes.

The thread then became too technical for me.

the pinefox, Saturday, 21 March 2020 13:50 (seven months ago) link

Channel 81 on Freeview. Mostly old, terrible British movies with the occasional cracker.

Bridge Over Thorley Waters (Tom D.), Saturday, 21 March 2020 14:02 (seven months ago) link

Also some British TV shows from the 60s/70s like the genuinely entertaining Human Jungle with Herbert Lom.

Bridge Over Thorley Waters (Tom D.), Saturday, 21 March 2020 14:03 (seven months ago) link

https://talkingpicturestv.co.uk/

TV channel dedicated to old, mainly British, films and TV. Available on Freeview, Youview, Sky, Virgin etc

Dan Worsley, Saturday, 21 March 2020 14:03 (seven months ago) link

xpost to Tom D

Dan Worsley, Saturday, 21 March 2020 14:04 (seven months ago) link

Today's highlights:

Selected highlights 21-March #TPTV
10:25 THE LARGE ROPE (1953)
11:50 CARLTON BROWN OF THE F.O. (1959)
13:40 NEUTRAL PORT (1940) Premiere
15:30 THE BLACK ROSE (1950)
17:50 ABOVE US THE WAVES (1955)
19:50 TURN THE KEY SOFTLY (1953) Premiere
21:30 THE SEEKERS (1954) Premiere pic.twitter.com/l6DezV1syr

— Talking Pictures TV (@TalkingPicsTV) March 20, 2020

Dan Worsley, Saturday, 21 March 2020 14:05 (seven months ago) link

bees on the boat-deck conspicuous by its absence

mark s, Saturday, 21 March 2020 14:14 (seven months ago) link

I need to investigate some of these channels. Maybe more films are on that I realise.

the pinefox, Saturday, 21 March 2020 15:34 (seven months ago) link

(I don't have anything more advanced that Freeview or Freesat.)

the pinefox, Saturday, 21 March 2020 15:34 (seven months ago) link

... Channel 81, Freeview.

If you're into spaghetti westerns and are an early riser I noticed recently that Channel 40 seems to show (usually pretty bad) spag westerns every morning.

Bridge Over Thorley Waters (Tom D.), Saturday, 21 March 2020 15:37 (seven months ago) link

It's channel 81 on Freeview assuming your tuning is up to date. It's one of the half dozen channels I always check if I'm looking for something that might be watchable. The quality of the movies is wildly variable but there's a lot on there that you don't see anywhere else.

I can't pay no doctor bill, but Whitey's on the McAloon (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 21 March 2020 15:38 (seven months ago) link

Ah sorry Tom beat me to it.

I can't pay no doctor bill, but Whitey's on the McAloon (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 21 March 2020 15:39 (seven months ago) link

There are multiple other movie channels that show good things from time to time. You know about London Live and Film 4 obv, but there's also Sony Movies (32, modern stuff), Sony Movies Action (40, war films), Sony movies classic (50, showing African Queen and Big Heat later today). Horror Channel (70) often has decent films on too, along with a lot of terrible ones.

koogs, Saturday, 21 March 2020 16:28 (seven months ago) link

These elderly people would have just died anyway | me for the BBC news website pic.twitter.com/LhGNopAC4X

— Je téléphone à la police (@je_police) March 21, 2020

calzino, Saturday, 21 March 2020 17:03 (seven months ago) link

I complained to the BBC about that god-awful "trad wives" thing they ran on the website a month or so ago. Here's the response I got- cheers!

We’re contacting you to apologise that we were unable to reply to the complaint you made earlier this year to the BBC. We regret that we could not provide you with our usual level of service.

This happened after large numbers of complaints were submitted to the BBC at the end of last year and we were unable to reply to everyone within our normal time periods. We would like to reassure you however that we circulated your complaint to the production team and BBC management the following morning, so they were aware of yours and the other overnight feedback the next day.

Neil S, Saturday, 21 March 2020 17:10 (seven months ago) link

Thanks for the film channel recommendations.

I note that others know channels by their numbers. I don't know the number of any channels or have a reliable spatial sense in my head of where they are in relation to each other. I imagine BBC1 as the start and then I press a button and it scrolls down (but it's hard to get the right button sometimes) in a not entirely logical way. Film4 is several pages later for some reason.

Perhaps one can find a channel just by pressing the number in somehow? I could try that but I doubt that I would remember the numbers.

the pinefox, Saturday, 21 March 2020 17:48 (seven months ago) link

You could always use the on screen guide to see what films are on if remembering numbers is difficult.

Dan Worsley, Saturday, 21 March 2020 18:02 (seven months ago) link

i usually just page down the guide. some numbers i remember because i watch them a lot and because paging down a dozen times to get to TalkingPictures is a ballache.

koogs, Saturday, 21 March 2020 21:25 (seven months ago) link

I have found that I can get Sony Movies and watched 3:10 TO YUMA (2007) again that way last night.

the pinefox, Monday, 23 March 2020 08:50 (seven months ago) link

Just add your favourite channels to your, uh, favourites list and scroll through that instead.

the grateful dead can dance (anagram), Monday, 23 March 2020 09:19 (seven months ago) link

Watched the original of 310 on Criterion Channel this week, so good.

Re: movies, we’ve been watching criterion from the UK - you need a vpn to sign up but it doesn’t check your region once you’re streaming

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 23 March 2020 10:37 (seven months ago) link

(So you only need to use the vpn once)

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 23 March 2020 10:37 (seven months ago) link

I don't have a favourites list. Unfamiliar with how these things work. Have never found digital TVs very easy.

the pinefox, Monday, 23 March 2020 11:55 (seven months ago) link

Agree with Chuck Tatum -- I think that the 1957 3:10 TO YUMA is tremendous and having watched the remake again last night, I now think that the original is probably better (I was unsure before).

the pinefox, Monday, 23 March 2020 11:56 (seven months ago) link

R4 playing culture war against "wokeness" programming (presented by Helen Lewis) during the worst UK public health crisis in a century.

calzino, Monday, 23 March 2020 21:13 (seven months ago) link

It's always good to vent our irritation with Helen Lewis.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 11:33 (six months ago) link

I know this is BBC thread, but Sony Movies channels turn out to be an incredible find.

Sunday: 3:10 TO YUMA
Monday: MOON followed by BLADE RUNNER 2049
Wednesday: SATURDAY NIGHT & SUNDAY MORNING followed by A TASTE OF HONEY !!

I can't resist this!

the pinefox, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 11:34 (six months ago) link

they used to have very long annoying ad breaks but i've noticed that seems to have calmed down a bit

Two Gentlemen with the Rona (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 11:39 (six months ago) link

Freeview thread might be better for this stuff

Freeview Boxes : Classic or Dud?

koogs, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 12:34 (six months ago) link

All these Ian Nairn films are on iPlayer at the moment, fill yer boots https://t.co/ePm3qIQ3bo

— Gee (@BrokenBiros) March 24, 2020

could watch these a thousand times.

calzino, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 15:13 (six months ago) link

they've been on there for ages i think, have they put some more up?

Let's kill the Queen and be legends (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 25 March 2020 15:46 (six months ago) link

Not BBC, but in a similar vein: http://meadesshrine.blogspot.com/p/shrine.html

fetter, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 15:48 (six months ago) link

oh wow sweet

Let's kill the Queen and be legends (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 25 March 2020 15:49 (six months ago) link

I thought they'd just been put up again by that tweet. I ripped my own copies years ago.

calzino, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 15:56 (six months ago) link

I'd forgotten about Meadesshrine it's a great site, got most of them from the torrents but it's so nice to have them all in one place.

calzino, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 16:03 (six months ago) link

no, the nairns have been there a while. there's a lot of archive that's always available.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/categories/archive/featured

koogs, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 16:12 (six months ago) link

yeah it was thanks to the archive i fully realised how full of shit Kenneth Clark was

Let's kill the Queen and be legends (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 25 March 2020 16:13 (six months ago) link

from there, this is very good:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00drs8y/monitor-pop-goes-the-easel

Ken Russell's film on the Young British Artists of the day pioneering the Pop Art movement features Peter Blake, Peter Phillips, Derek Boshier and Pauline Boty. (1962)

koogs, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 16:15 (six months ago) link

Thanks for sharing the link to the archive, koogs - is there any way of seeing what's been put up there without having to scroll through pages of everything in alphabetical order?

Tim, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 16:49 (six months ago) link

i find the A-Z (of an individual category) on the TV app marginally more wieldy but i don't know beyond that

Let's kill the Queen and be legends (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 25 March 2020 16:51 (six months ago) link

Problem with that is "Archive" is a category (unless there's something I'm not seeing) (which would not be unusual).

Tim, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 17:03 (six months ago) link

some of the categories are subdivided, but it's not obvious

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/group/p025z4rn - abstract art

pick an episode of something you like and on the page for that programme there *might* be a sub-category at the bottom, by the credits link

there certainly used to be a plainer page with all the categories on it as a list but, er, progress...

koogs, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 17:12 (six months ago) link

better link - https://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/collections

koogs, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 17:14 (six months ago) link

Hadn't seen those pages before but the iPlayer Collections are good too - loved working chronologically through the series on London (albeit all picked by Simon Jenkins so you have to look at his hi-res face before each prog): https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/group/p00synd3?page=1

nashwan, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 17:42 (six months ago) link

> Hadn't seen those pages before but the iPlayer Collections are good too

those archive/collections are the same thing, i think, they keep reorging / renaming / redesigning the pages. the iplayer pages also seem to have added what i'd call 'box sets' to the mix, more recent stuff made available again, not exactly 'archive'

finding anything on any streaming service always seems like a crapshoot to me, especially when using a tv-remote to navigate.

koogs, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 17:55 (six months ago) link

Thanks Koogs- that is better (though like you I would still like a list I could slice how I wanted... I blame Netflix). Now I’m hoping they can slap up the other 20-odd BBC things dear old Nairn did, which I thought was what the tweet up thread was promising.

Going to watch the pop art thing later, looks interesting.

Tim, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 19:18 (six months ago) link

nairn’s Football Towns and Orient Express are both on youtube.

Fizzles, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 19:57 (six months ago) link

when i’m out and about not so much these days i sometimes practice a bit of a nairn slopey/arhyrmic walk. it genuinely does seem to help appreciate spaces around me in a contemplative fashion tho suspect some of this is because it’s slower than my habitual too-fast-paced gait and also it seems to cant your head slightly upwards and away from the immediate direction in front of you.

Fizzles, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 19:59 (six months ago) link

Nairn hates Huddersfield so much and with so much focus you'd almost be tempted to think he grew up there and I don't think he was really impressed with the mushroom columns of the Queensgate indoor market! I'm not sure the ugly as fuck Pompidou-lite stylings of Halifax Building Society building aged that well either tbh!

calzino, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 23:49 (six months ago) link

I do not understand Fizzles' post about walking differently. It sounds as though he's trying to be like Beckett's Watt.

FOOTBALL TOWNS, this must surely be good.

the pinefox, Thursday, 26 March 2020 12:51 (six months ago) link

Football Pools Towns is good but Isle of Rust was the first Meades I ever saw and mb my fav bit of tv

ogmor, Thursday, 26 March 2020 13:01 (six months ago) link

turned on R4 earlier and caught the absolutely awful Lionel Shriver reading from her new novel that nobody will buy just like her previous few novels that nobody bought. Why do the fucking beeb blow so much fucking smoke up this fraudulent nobody's arsehole? Well yeah the answer is ofc because she's a pig-shit ignorant right-wing bigot.

calzino, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 13:48 (six months ago) link

I heard two seconds of that Helen Lewis shit by accident the other night. Privatizing's too good for 'em.

A rat done bit my sister Nell with Biden on the nom (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 13:50 (six months ago) link

Shriver probably sells quite a lot of novels.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 13:55 (six months ago) link

Which Helen Lewis programme? I can't remember.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 13:56 (six months ago) link

She doesn't Pinefox, she's a one hit wonder.

calzino, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 13:58 (six months ago) link

Baggy MPs fucking diet book sells more than Shriver

calzino, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 14:00 (six months ago) link

Helen Lewis had a Radio 4 show about why woke snowflakes are terrible and should be shot. Weird number of shows like that on BBC radio lately.

A rat done bit my sister Nell with Biden on the nom (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 14:00 (six months ago) link

They seem to have a lot of prerecorded Helen Lewis, god help us.

calzino, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 14:01 (six months ago) link

After Shrivers racist appearance on qt last year there was a lot of stuff about her dwindling to nothing book sales on twitter

calzino, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 14:06 (six months ago) link

2 and a quarter hour coronashow today, what the fuck is wrong with these people?

A rat done bit my sister Nell with Biden on the nom (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 15:55 (six months ago) link

are they still not sending people to do the radio 4 morning show?

koogs, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 16:24 (six months ago) link

Plotting a graph of Lionel Shriver's useless life, I would imagine the line representing book sales, plummeting downwards, at some point intersecting with the line representing calls from BBC producers, going in the opposite direction.

Bridge Over Thorley Waters (Tom D.), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 16:26 (six months ago) link

These people think they're still living in the noughties, when everything's all Monkey Dust and Nighty Night and edgy.

Bridge Over Thorley Waters (Tom D.), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 16:31 (six months ago) link

Edgy, the worst kind of y

A rat done bit my sister Nell with Biden on the nom (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 16:34 (six months ago) link

lionel shriver is just some idiot that used to be on newsnight review all the time!

plax (ico), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 17:19 (six months ago) link

This was new to me, but interesting.

After the sad news that Lionel Shriver was up to her *antics* again, I decided to take a look at the book sales of my 3rd least favourite contrarian author.

And now I have the stats.

Hold me, I'm going in. There will be graphs... pic.twitter.com/iyxIYu2ndn

— Chris McCrudden (@cmccrudden) March 1, 2019

the pinefox, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 17:55 (six months ago) link

Bit generous describing her stuff as literary fiction.

A rat done bit my sister Nell with Biden on the nom (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 17:58 (six months ago) link

lol, them be the brutal graphs of Shriver's shrinking relevance in the publishing world I was referring to Pinefox!

bloody great, tonight we've got the intellectual might of Applebaum and Mason discussing da Rona on R4.

calzino, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 19:27 (six months ago) link

Has he invited Rona to come to Athens?

A rat done bit my sister Nell with Biden on the nom (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 19:52 (six months ago) link

I'm watching Lucy Worsley so the Beeb is forgiven for now.

A rat done bit my sister Nell with Biden on the nom (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 19:53 (six months ago) link

LMAO. Stoya come to Athens, the means-tested defence of the status quo is happening. pic.twitter.com/93d5aguyQo

— herd immunity for our time (@misslucyp) April 1, 2020

calzino, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 19:54 (six months ago) link

cursed

bam! Free bees! (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 20:04 (six months ago) link

How Adonis never made it to the last 16 of the world cup I'll never know

A rat done bit my sister Nell with Biden on the nom (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 20:09 (six months ago) link

fuckin adonis

Fizzles, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 20:15 (six months ago) link

Very normal retweet from Maitlis

crisp, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 23:21 (six months ago) link

Claire Fox?

A rat done bit my sister Nell with Biden on the nom (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 23:44 (six months ago) link

Nah keep scrolling... Dave Rich

crisp, Thursday, 2 April 2020 00:00 (six months ago) link

They’re absolutely not letting up with this:

500,000 people could have died, by August, in the UK if no action was taken

Now it's hoped social distancing will limit deaths to 20,000

But that doesn't mean 480,000 lives are being saved, many people who die from Covid-19 would have died anywayhttps://t.co/hDYKsrCn8B pic.twitter.com/55Dsu3qeLU

— BBC News (UK) (@BBCNews) April 2, 2020

ShariVari, Thursday, 2 April 2020 22:31 (six months ago) link

And headlines saying people died "with" coronavirus, not "of" or "from". It's a weird look tbh

a passing spacecadet, Thursday, 2 April 2020 22:41 (six months ago) link

I can't remember bbc doing death graphs at the peak of "nothing is done" or herd immunity as they labelled it at the time. All the info was there to see from countries weeks behind us. Just no half decent journalists or editorial leadership. And now they are in the embarrassing position of being bigger fucking tory boot-lickers than both The Mail and the Torygraph. Their politics department needs burning to the ground.

calzino, Thursday, 2 April 2020 22:59 (six months ago) link

Yeah they would have died anyway, so what https://t.co/FUaCyCLrl8 pic.twitter.com/N6FDD057nx

— Je téléphone à la police (@je_police) April 2, 2020

calzino, Thursday, 2 April 2020 23:08 (six months ago) link

BBC News 2020, The Day Today 1994 pic.twitter.com/JeSRuuohF1

— Graham (@onalifeglug) April 3, 2020

calzino, Friday, 3 April 2020 17:07 (six months ago) link

Unsurprisingly, Boris Johnson's move to intensive care leads all the UK newspapers' front pages.

Have a quick canter through what they're all saying in our paper review, here.

Seems a bit off, given the context.

Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Monday, 6 April 2020 23:50 (six months ago) link

three weeks pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skK3WoK5Z8A

weirdly good

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 28 April 2020 14:06 (five months ago) link

bah but of course tiktok got there first - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqgBfEqkyaU

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 28 April 2020 14:07 (five months ago) link

Hah, I love that.

Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 28 April 2020 18:41 (five months ago) link

BBC adaptation of Sally Rooney's NORMAL PEOPLE.

I'm afraid I haven't yet read the novel.

12 parts, 6 hours -- this is as much as they would give MIDDLEMARCH. Excessive?

It seems like it from 2 episodes, in which little happened. Not much drama, not much at stake, not much interesting said.

The two virtues or points of interest, to my mind:

1: intimate / sex scenes presented with a kind of tender realism

2: the odd tendencies of the heroine - it might be intended as 'autistic' to some degree, I'm unsure - to say very direct things and ask abrupt, literal questions.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 29 April 2020 09:11 (five months ago) link

Re: 2, that was the experience I got from the book, from both the characters - the directness, plus a difficulty dealing with emotions, an inability to come out and say what they really, simply, feel towards each other. It ended up being quite frustrating.

a slice of greater pastry (ledge), Wednesday, 29 April 2020 09:23 (five months ago) link

Loved the book. The show is highly watchable (don’t think it’s overlong, most dramas are six one-hour parters anyway) but it’s missing a lot of the comedy, and the lack of interior monologue makes the characters seems a lot more vacant.

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 29 April 2020 09:28 (five months ago) link

I liked the book a lot but I completely see how someone could find it weak, I was a bit surprised at the universal acclaim. The paralysis in action and emotion caused by always overthinking everything was something I strongly related to.

Haven't watched the show yet.

coptic feels (seandalai), Wednesday, 29 April 2020 09:31 (five months ago) link

I think Marianne's pathology is down to an unnamed/unnameable systematic abuse as opposed to anything ASD-related. She seeks out cold, overpowering men as part of her compulsion to repeat. That's how I read it, anyway. There's something to be said about Rooney's politics and how we function under late capitalism but I think it's a bit undercoded in the text.

I watched the first episode of this. It was fine but it's too close to my reading of the text and all the power of literature to be nebulous and slippery is lost in the exactness of the screen.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Wednesday, 29 April 2020 09:36 (five months ago) link

I agree that 6 hours is quite normal for a chunky, meaty adaptation - say of Dickens.

His books are, say, 700 pages long - NORMAL PEOPLE is 266.

Length isn't everything, to be sure. You could pack a lot in to a short book that would bear a long adaptation. But the comments above suggest that the TV version is actually leaving out lots of what's interesting in the book (thoughts, etc), while still being unusually long.

A comparison: Alan Hollinghurst's rich, brilliant THE LINE OF BEAUTY is 500pp - the excellent adaptation (2006) was 3 hours.

Take a brilliant, rich book of say 250pp: MRS DALLOWAY, TO THE LIGHTHOUSE. Can I see the BBC stretching those to 6 hours? I can't - in fact I can more easily imagine them as 2 hours over 2 nights.

None of it would matter at all if the length worked well for the adaptation but my sense is that the length is stretching it too thin, with too little happening.

But OK, it can be treated as a formal experiment of its own, an exercise in slower drama.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 29 April 2020 09:46 (five months ago) link

I don't think the BBC3 strand is the place for anything formal or experimental.

clap for content-providers (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 29 April 2020 09:52 (five months ago) link

Been watching a couple of these each night with our tea the past few days and yeah it does feel dragged out a bit but there is somethingcompelling about it. Gf has zero patience for any "arty farty" stuff (her words) but is sufficiently gripped to stick with this. Good low key acting at least, particularly from the lead guy, reminds me of plenty of Irish pals I had at uni

or something, Wednesday, 29 April 2020 10:08 (five months ago) link

Feel like Sally Rooney is one of those novelists where any decent adaptation would have to give it plenty of time, so much in her writing is in the gaps between what the characters do and do not say, a good director could do a lot with that, and the onscreen relationship does need to proceed slowly in order to make the subtleties of that work, slower than it does in the book.

6hrs does feel excessive mind, but it's not as if any of us are short on time right now.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 29 April 2020 10:24 (five months ago) link

Haven't seen any of this yet but looking forward to starting it tonight, even if Conversations With Friends might possibly have made the better adaptation. Does it merit its own thread? Just realised there isn't a Sally Rooney thread at all.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 29 April 2020 10:26 (five months ago) link

Absolutely

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 29 April 2020 10:33 (five months ago) link

it's not as if any of us are short on time right now
cough cough lots of people, me included, have far less free time due to the current restrictions. I'm still reading a book I bought before Christmas.

kinder, Wednesday, 29 April 2020 12:02 (five months ago) link

I was surprised to find no SR thread on either ILB or ILE.

I agree with Kinder -- puzzled by the very prevalent idea that everyone has more time; my experience is that some people have less time.

What is true for me, though (maybe it's what DC meant), is that with not going anywhere in the evening I am watching more film & TV at that time of the day.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 29 April 2020 12:59 (five months ago) link

Yes lots of people I know have home schooling constraints piled on top of work issues as well, but I'm not sure that a serialised drama being six hours rather than three is going to make much difference to that. We are going to be at the stage soon enough when broadcasters run out of new drama to show, and potentially months of lockdown ahead.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 29 April 2020 13:15 (five months ago) link

hopefully we can get a lot more webcam shows of celebrities talking to their celebrity mates about being a celebrity during a lockdown just like the little people

clap for content-providers (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 29 April 2020 13:35 (five months ago) link

I’ve been watching this during my seven-month-olds lunchtime naps

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 29 April 2020 14:09 (five months ago) link

> when broadcasters run out of new drama to show

70+ years of archive, there's got to be something worth repeating in that. let people vote for it. but split it into bbc1 / bbc2 / bbc4 so i don't have to watch del-boy fall through the bar again.

koogs, Wednesday, 29 April 2020 16:09 (five months ago) link

(have the archers got covid-19 yet?)

koogs, Wednesday, 29 April 2020 16:10 (five months ago) link

they’re only showing a couple episodes a week to stretch it out

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 29 April 2020 16:24 (five months ago) link

I'm not bothered about NORMAL PEOPLE being longer or shorter in relation to the pandemic.

I just think it's long by normal standards, eg cf metrics given above. And this will affect viewing experience - just as if the book were 600pp about the same material it would be a different reading experience.

I agree with Koogs that they should really start showing more good old material. Maybe they're already doing that to a degree. They did show WOLF HALL but I suppose that was in relation to the recent novel. They could go much, much further back. BBC4 in particular could show tons of old PLAYS FOR TODAY and 1960s DR WHO. Or start with BOYS FROM THE BLACKSTUFF.

I agree with Vague that people talking to each other by computer is not making for good TV. Nor is Gary Lineker.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 29 April 2020 16:51 (five months ago) link

they are advertising new old things on iplayer, comedy box sets. but the comedy is absolutely fabulous and extras. and nighty night, and french and saunders. and 9 series of 2 packets of crisps.

(and some good things too)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/group/comedy-box-sets

koogs, Wednesday, 29 April 2020 19:40 (five months ago) link

I watched the first episode last night and it appears to be progressing at about the right pace. Adaptations - especially of big 19th Century novels - tend to truncate scenes and focus on key moments. The average length of a scene in a BBC Dickens adaptation is pretty short, whole chapters are usually condensed into a couple of minutes, and the adaptations themselves don't especially suffer from that.

But that approach would kill Normal People stone dead - without any interior monologue the relationship between the two main characters, the awkwardness and everything unspoken between them, needs time and space to convey itself to the viewer. It felt unhurried rather than padded out, although that may change later in the series. It's based around five or six fairly discrete moments in time IIRC and every one of those could easily get at least an episode.

Not seen either of the two leads before but they were exceptionally well-cast, the guy that plays Connell especially.

Matt DC, Thursday, 30 April 2020 16:36 (five months ago) link

My feelings FWIW after 7 episode, 3.5 hours:

First hour rather frustrating, slow, not going anywhere very interesting.

Episode 3-5 then picked up greatly for me - perhaps just because it was Dublin and TCD and I enjoy seeing these familiar places. A little bit of the content of their interests was filled in also, eg: his English seminars.

By episode 7 I can still see the indulgent appeal but I'm starting to find the on-off relationship rather ridiculous as the basis of a drama - it could go on literally forever (like a soap opera I suppose).

There is a very strong sense of a drama about almost nothing - two people who are blessed with success (in episode 7 literally almost the only ones in the prestigious college to get prestigious scholarships) getting alternately moody about how much they like each other. I've perhaps never seen a more 'first world problems' story.

But then, I think part of me likes this, because I'd often like dramas to be more realistic and more about ordinary nuances. There are aspects of the relationship that are very recognizable to me, and thus offer insights. The sex scenes are part of this too. All this connects to the unusual length of the series, ie: I can see the case for making it so long, and maybe other series should be equally stretched out for better effect.

I have found, though, that Marianne has started to irritate me a lot. Connell remains more likeable perhaps. His restraint, refusal to engage, tendency to deflect, is well played and recognizable. I also quite like the fact that he combines being PHYSICALLY STRONG with (apparently) being intelligent - which means he has the best of both worlds (see above re: lack of problems and tensions) but also sort of avoids a stereotype of the sensitive weakling or the insensitive big oaf.

the pinefox, Saturday, 2 May 2020 08:02 (five months ago) link

PS: an exception to the 'no real problems': Marianne has a brother who is universally horrible. In episode 7 it's explained that he's horrible because he's jealous of her success. But he was horrible before, when she was consider an oddball. His nastiness adds some 'jeopardy' and tension to the mix, OK - but it's so extreme, inexplicable, absolute, that it's out of kilter to everything else, like the basically realistic TCD crowd; it doesn't fit.

the pinefox, Saturday, 2 May 2020 08:59 (five months ago) link

It's not that she is someone with no real problems (far from it) it's that those problems are never ever talked about because the two main characters are completely emotionally inarticulate.

Matt DC, Saturday, 2 May 2020 11:55 (five months ago) link

(It may be that the adaptation has changed or dispensed with some key stuff in her past, I'll shut up until I've seen the whole thing)

Matt DC, Saturday, 2 May 2020 12:15 (five months ago) link

LOL BBC website...

The increase brings Russia's total number of coronavirus cases to 134,686, the seventh highest tally in the world.

But Russia's mortality rate remains low relative to other countries, such as the US, Italy and Spain.

Though maybe I shouldn't be laughing.

The Corbynite Maneuver (Tom D.), Sunday, 3 May 2020 19:47 (five months ago) link

A week from now that'll be "low relative to, er, the US".

The Corbynite Maneuver (Tom D.), Sunday, 3 May 2020 19:48 (five months ago) link

One day I heard this rolling WS news report on how the French economy hasn't been fucked this much since '46. Yeah quelle surprise.. I wonder if this is happening anywhere else.

calzino, Sunday, 3 May 2020 20:21 (five months ago) link

I've only watched 2 eps of Normal People, I'm assuming things actually happen in this at some point? I do actually like it, I'm mildly confused by how old they're meant to be (took til the end of ep 2 to twig that Dublin Murders cop was his mum not his sister). So far nearly everything Marianne has said has been about how she's not like the other girls too, yet seemingly confident. Perhaps that's less obvious in the book, idk? Anyway I'm sticking with it...

kinder, Sunday, 3 May 2020 20:52 (five months ago) link

Yes, similar reactions to you, Kinder. I have 2.5 hours to go in this and will finally be able to get the measure of it after that - maybe end of this week. FWIW I do think that the episodes after the first two are an improvement.

the pinefox, Monday, 4 May 2020 09:33 (five months ago) link

two weeks pass...

the 80s tv adaptation of Brideshead Revisited is 11 episodes and runs 12 hours (first and last episodes are over 90 minutes).

the first six and last six episodes of Normal People are directed by different people and the first six seem to me to be much better crafted/ more aesthetically interesting. I really liked the bulk of it but the last few episodes strained my credulity and by the end I had completely soured on it to the extent that when I caught the Italian villa on terrestrial tv I was actually intensely irritated by it's solipsism and, imo, needless cruelty.

Heavy Messages (jed_), Sunday, 24 May 2020 23:18 (four months ago) link

Italian villa episode, that is.

Heavy Messages (jed_), Sunday, 24 May 2020 23:20 (four months ago) link

It's true about the odd change of director halfway through.

I think I liked episodes 3-5 best.

It's true that BRIDESHEAD was long - surely too long. That book is not vast (say 300 pages?) and it's almost completely dreadful anyway. The fact that, as you say, it received so much dramatised airtime now seems awful.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 26 May 2020 12:23 (four months ago) link

I'm glad to agree with Jed about these last episodes and the rubbish Italian villa nonsense.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 26 May 2020 12:24 (four months ago) link

Had no idea about the Normal People split - that explains a lot.

Eyeball Kicks, Wednesday, 27 May 2020 19:08 (four months ago) link

The stakes don't seem high enough in Normal People to justify the torment dealt to Marianne, in my opinion. I can believe that a mother could, irl, support a son who had beaten up his sister and broke her nose but I don't accept it in the service of this particular story and I find the fact that so many people find the story romantic to be worrying.

Heavy Messages (jed_), Thursday, 28 May 2020 03:26 (four months ago) link

Again broadly agree.

It may well be that much more is going in the novel, or that it's a great novel. But the TV version has to be judged on its own terms.

In the TV version not enough is going on, not enough is at stake (as Jed says), and whatever problems characters have are not properly explained, despite 6 hours to do it.

It's attractive and appealing in a way but the longer it goes on, the less it stands up. By the last few episodes I couldn't help thinking it was pretty dire.

the pinefox, Thursday, 28 May 2020 11:50 (four months ago) link

I thought this thread revival would be about Emily Maitlis and Newsnight!

the pinefox, Thursday, 28 May 2020 11:50 (four months ago) link

I've started the Italian episode but not hugely incentivised to finish it, or the series.

Both leads are believably useless emotionally but Marianne has an unlikability that goes along with it. And I keep thinking we're supposed to Intuit more about her than we're presented - thinking about, for example, Sophie's clumsy attempt at organising a threesome; are we supposed to find Marianne's reaction sympathetic or pathetic? Romantic or deluded? I get the feeling it's definitely supposed to be one rather than the other, and I think I'm on the wrong side. Conversely, for someone who we're supposed to think is really just a bogtrotter Conner is woke af about rights to say no etc (even making a big point of it the first time they have sex) but at the same time is having no-strings hookups and nearly fucks his old teacher just because he can.

The strangest thing for me was writing off a large element of the greater cast as not worth it because "they're typical Trinity types" when one of the protagonists is exactly that.

Mud... jam... failure (aldo), Thursday, 28 May 2020 17:23 (four months ago) link

safe to say I'll be giving "Football, Prince William and Our Mental Health" a miss unless at some point they conduct an experiment to see if kicking the fuck out of William's head has far more superior mental health benefits than kicking a football.

calzino, Thursday, 28 May 2020 19:40 (four months ago) link

They should announce a s2 of Normal People and just make it about Lorraine cleaning houses and being lovely because she's absolutely the best thing about the show.

Heavy Messages (jed_), Thursday, 28 May 2020 23:51 (four months ago) link

Conversely, for someone who we're supposed to think is really just a bogtrotter Conner is woke af about rights to say no etc (even making a big point of it the first time they have sex) but at the same time is having no-strings hookups and nearly fucks his old teacher just because he can

I don't think that's right - in the series he's super-intelligent plus he's been brought up by a very smart single mother with a keen eye for the way women are treated / mistreated by men. He's read Germaine Greer by the time he's 18! And in the incident with his former teacher he walks away even when absolutely hammered.

I didn't think this was brilliant but I found it more interesting than some of you seemed to - as a story about how people are formed and deformed by their circumstances and experiences (family, class, sex, blah blah) and how that plays through their good and bad behaviour and decisions, it was interesting enough. And it, like the novel, manages to be too on-the-nose about any of it I think. I think when both work best they absolutely leave some confusion about whether something's romantic or pathetic. I definitely recognised the pain of watching people who at base are decent are the same bad decision over and over again. (I liked the book as much as I liked the series FWIW, I thought both were good but not outstanding.)

Tim, Friday, 29 May 2020 10:15 (four months ago) link

New season of David Olusoga's A House Through Time started this week, it's Bristol this time. Great stuff as always, he's one of the main reasons to still tune in to the BBC these days.

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 29 May 2020 10:21 (four months ago) link

Yeah, I saw that last night, great episode to kick things off. Looking forward to part two. I loved that they explained the 18th century political 'cartoon', explaining all the tiny details. 'The Sixth Letter' book in one's pocket, dragging a dead man to the polls to get his vote etc.

It's about Englands's slavery past - well, those who profited from it immensely - and I've been seeing more of that incidentally (even fucking Paul from FlogIt had a 'slavery was bad! It's going under hammer right now!' epiphany recently). I don't know if this is a new thing for England, but it's been noticeable.

Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 29 May 2020 10:59 (four months ago) link

Xps

Marianne's pain is more present in the text, even if the causes of it are more absent - in the figure of the monstrous father. One way of reading Marianne and the brother is that they both compulsively repeat the cycle of abuse. Which is a way of saying I 'believed' her more readily in the text. I think that's a function of the space of literature but that needs unpacking.

I keep coming back to the title. I think it's supposed to be provocative and the adjective is doing a hell of a lot of that provocation but it's there and my response is to think, well, how *about* some normal people then? The series, especially, is full of normal people and they're made out to be almost grotesque - there's not even a deferred glow, they're just shadow figures. What about his story - him with his worries about his small dick or her with her worries about body hair (just to focus on bodies)? That would be normal. Instead we get a fetishised, voyeuristic close-up of beautiful people be