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― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 30 April 2004 09:02 (twenty-two years ago)

If it were so great, my grandparents wouldn't have left!

― Super-Kate (kate), Friday, 30 April 2004 09:03 (twenty-two years ago)

it's an obscure pleasure...

but whisky's good, it's pretty, glasgow's the greatest/worst city in the whole wide world...

you just have to accept (as a jocko) you'll never be really good at anything. you can be good, you can't just be a world beater.

― Robbie Lumsden (Wallace Stevens HQ), Friday, 30 April 2004 09:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Most of it is lightly populated.

― Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Friday, 30 April 2004 09:04 (twenty-two years ago)

The men are generally funny and ruggedly handsome, yes indeedy.

― penelope_111, Friday, 30 April 2004 09:06 (twenty-two years ago)

So are the women actually

― penelope_111, Friday, 30 April 2004 09:06 (twenty-two years ago)

ha ha, eyeball kicks! "the best thing about scotland is that there isn't really that many scottish people, considering..."

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generally but not always *sob*

― Robbie Lumsden (Wallace Stevens HQ), Friday, 30 April 2004 09:06 (twenty-two years ago)

The accent (of course teuchter wanks (and that can include anyone from outside Glasgow, Ayrshire, Dunbartonshire, Lanarkshire and Renfrewshire) have stupid silly voices) is the best of all british regional accents. (not much competition)

― Robbie Lumsden (Wallace Stevens HQ), Friday, 30 April 2004 09:11 (twenty-two years ago)

on a sunny day, Edinburgh is the second most beautiful city I have ever seen, after Seville.

― Dave Amos, Friday, 30 April 2004 09:14 (twenty-two years ago)

I live there.

― leigh (leigh), Friday, 30 April 2004 09:17 (twenty-two years ago)

So do I

(but not for much longer)

― caitlin (caitlin), Friday, 30 April 2004 09:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, because most of it's been sparsely populated since before the Industrial Revolution, it's got really good Iron Age and previous archeology, still entact!

― Super-Kate (kate), Friday, 30 April 2004 09:23 (twenty-two years ago)

(but on the other hand there are huge parts of the country that are blank on the archaeological maps because nobody's bothered to survey them at all ever)

― caitlin (caitlin), Friday, 30 April 2004 09:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Me too.
(for much longer)

The combination of Edinburgh and Glasgow, their proximity and peculiarities, is a schizophrenic joy to behold.

Sauchiehall St. on a friday night it hilarious.

Almost everyone I know and love stays there.

2xpost

― hmmm (hmmm), Friday, 30 April 2004 09:25 (twenty-two years ago)

My best memory of Sauchiehall St: walking down it at 5.30am to catch the first Glasgow-Edinburgh train, and seeing the little street-sweeping machines having races down the middle of the street.

― caitlin (caitlin), Friday, 30 April 2004 09:28 (twenty-two years ago)

(Well, just coz they're not surveyed doesn't mean there's nothing there! In fact it means there's stuff there just WAITING TO BE DISCOVERED!!!)

― Super-Kate (kate), Friday, 30 April 2004 09:28 (twenty-two years ago)

My worst memory of sauchiehall street was coming back from my GF's bit in edinburgh in the summer (Princes Street felt quite vibrant, lots of backpackers, very nice) and getting the last bus back to glasgow, walking down Sauchiehall street as the pubs came out and just feeling the glasgow ennui in spades.

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― Robbie Lumsden (Wallace Stevens HQ), Friday, 30 April 2004 09:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, I know that. I was going to base a PhD round it, but didn't have enough time or money.

(properly surveying is a big job. The Royal Commission on the Ancient And Historic Monuments Of Scotland used to do it. After they finished doing Argyll, though, they gave up: Argyll had taken over thirty years on its own, and they said they couldn't afford to do any more)

(xpost)

― caitlin (caitlin), Friday, 30 April 2004 09:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, ISLAY, THE MAGICAL ISLAND OF SCOTCH!!!

And, erm, Iona.

(x-post)

― Super-Kate (kate), Friday, 30 April 2004 09:31 (twenty-two years ago)

One whole volume of the Argyll survey was just about Iona.

― caitlin (caitlin), Friday, 30 April 2004 09:32 (twenty-two years ago)

::twitches with excitement::

HSA spent half his summer holidays as a youth on Lewis because his mum was digging up a midden tip there.

― Super-Kate (kate), Friday, 30 April 2004 09:35 (twenty-two years ago)

The M74 southbound carriageway ;-)

― Jesus H. Clapton, Friday, 30 April 2004 09:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Most of my digging, whilst I was an archaeologist, was on Lewis.

― caitlin (caitlin), Friday, 30 April 2004 09:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I already asked you if you knew HSA's mum, on the last archeology thread, didn't I?

― Super-Kate (kate), Friday, 30 April 2004 09:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't remember if you did or not. I don't actually know many, but I might recognise her name.

― caitlin (caitlin), Friday, 30 April 2004 09:37 (twenty-two years ago)

hey can any of you fun archaelogists tell me anything about colonsay. I'm doing a little report into it and a few fun facts could liven up this rather dry read...

― Robbie Lumsden (Wallace Stevens HQ), Friday, 30 April 2004 09:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry, no. I can barely remember where it is.

― caitlin (caitlin), Friday, 30 April 2004 09:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Dr. C@r0line B@nk$ (or Gr1gs0n, she used both names). Ring any bells?

― Super-Kate (kate), Friday, 30 April 2004 09:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Nope, sorry. Never heard of her!

(I clearly wasn't a very good archaeologist. Good thing I decided not to be one any more.)

― caitlin (caitlin), Friday, 30 April 2004 09:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Poor old colonsay. (it's just above Islay, btw, and has a population of 126).

― Robbie Lumsden (Wallace Stevens HQ), Friday, 30 April 2004 10:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I love Islay. Quite apart from the whisky, they make great cheese there. Great deserted beaches. Also Father Tag is from there so I spent many a happy holiday in Port Charlotte as a boy.

― Tag (Tag), Friday, 30 April 2004 10:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Cheese *and* whiskey? I know where I'm having my next holiday!

― Super-Kate (kate), Friday, 30 April 2004 10:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Kate, stop stealing my thoughts!

― Ricardo (RickyT), Friday, 30 April 2004 10:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Belle & Sebastian are playing there for free in June.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 30 April 2004 10:56 (twenty-two years ago)

But they're such yummy thoughts!

― Super-Kate (kate), Friday, 30 April 2004 10:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Belle and Sebastian are playing in Islay???

― Tag (Tag), Friday, 30 April 2004 11:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Ugh! Ugh! I didn't see that x-post! Ugh, what awfulness, a taste in my mouth so sour as to erradicate the niceness of the whisky and the cheese. :-(

― Super-Kate (kate), Friday, 30 April 2004 11:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Only me is good.

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 30 April 2004 11:59 (twenty-two years ago)

and me.

― hmmm (hmmm), Friday, 30 April 2004 12:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Ray 'Tonka' Stewart

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Friday, 30 April 2004 12:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Just for me, like...

Lying on the big hill near Sirling Castle in summer; the sunsets at the end of Sauchiehall St; around Ayr in Autumn; lots of the buildings, everywhere; Arran; the woozy energy of Byres Road in Spring; our house; the hills, north, everywhere; the possibility of quiet and vibrant within such close proximity; Kelvingrove park; Edinburgh's winding, elegant charm out of season; the hazy views of cranes between the buildings early morning from one of the higher points in Glasgow city centre.

I'll stop now.

― Ally C (Ally C), Friday, 30 April 2004 12:22 (twenty-two years ago)

the MUSIC. Duh.

― Ally C (Ally C), Friday, 30 April 2004 12:23 (twenty-two years ago)

1) They're from Liverpool or somewhere like that that clearly ISN'T Scotland

2) They're hardly good, are they?

;-)

― Super-Kate (kate), Friday, 30 April 2004 12:26 (twenty-two years ago)

The entire coastline pretty much rules.

― hmmm (hmmm), Friday, 30 April 2004 12:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Kate, you're right. Sorry.

― Ally C (Ally C), Friday, 30 April 2004 12:29 (twenty-two years ago)

No-one would have hair that bad in Scotland.

― Ally C (Ally C), Friday, 30 April 2004 12:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Ally C will be dead, there, soon. if he continues to post, as me, when he has the opportunity, and even if he doesn't.

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 30 April 2004 14:32 (twenty-two years ago)

The Road to the Isles is amazing. Especially when raining. As does Glenfinnan. Rannoch Moor is the most awesome place I've seen, and Glencoe make me lose my ability to see perspective.
Loch Awe is restful.
They consistently vote Labour much more than other parts of the UK (Southern inflictors of Thatcherism - you know who I mean).
Arisaig is gorgeous.
Mallaig is good for fish, if you like that sort of thing.
Celtic play there.

― Dave B in Edinburgh (daveb), Friday, 30 April 2004 14:37 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...

nothing has persuaded me of any merit, thus far

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 7 June 2004 13:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Have you been Dave? HAVE YOU? Because I've spent time in London, a fair bit of time, and it sucks dick. It's ugly. It's polluted. Crap drinking laws. Black people in low level jobs. Squalor. Claustrophobic streets at rush hours. Shit drinking laws. Ugly accents. I HATE the underground. The city smells like wee. On the other hand, Edinburgh is everything London is not. The people are nice. The city is cleaner. It's beautiful ("The Athens of the North"). It's vibrant. It's not as big, so there is more of a feeling of community.

But, again, why not see for yourself? HAVE YOU FUCKING BEEN you goat cock licking arse monger?

― C-Man (C-Man), Monday, 7 June 2004 13:26 (twenty-two years ago)

80 bob is great, but I'd take London over Edinburgh anyday, there's less English people.

― chris (chris), Monday, 7 June 2004 13:27 (twenty-two years ago)

If you'd take London over Edinburgh then your sense of sight and smell has been killed somewhere. London stinks (and I mean that literally, it really is a smelly city).

― C-Man (C-Man), Monday, 7 June 2004 13:28 (twenty-two years ago)

whether i have been to scotland has no bearing on this

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 7 June 2004 13:29 (twenty-two years ago)

and edinburgh doesn't stink? really all you can smell is the malt, or the jakey puke.

― chris (chris), Monday, 7 June 2004 13:29 (twenty-two years ago)

florence stinks, so does barcelona and i'd rather be in either of those than glasgow

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 7 June 2004 13:29 (twenty-two years ago)

You seem a bit het-up to-day, Calum. What's wrong?

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 7 June 2004 13:29 (twenty-two years ago)

knob caught in zipper while flashing in Princes gardens no doubt

― chris (chris), Monday, 7 June 2004 13:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Plus, if you think London is niffy (which it is in parts, I must admit) you shd try visiting Amsterdam (which is a lovely place, apart from being a bit niffy)

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 7 June 2004 13:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I think c-man and destelfox should fuck.

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 7 June 2004 13:30 (twenty-two years ago)

i don't

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 7 June 2004 13:31 (twenty-two years ago)

"helpful" "comment", "rjg".

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 7 June 2004 13:31 (twenty-two years ago)

"Black people in low level jobs"

wait, are you objecting to black people being employed?

― de, Monday, 7 June 2004 13:31 (twenty-two years ago)

What is wrong with Calum.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 7 June 2004 13:32 (twenty-two years ago)

and are the crap drinking laws to blame for all the scotttish drunks on our streets? would they have been fine, responsible contributing members of society had the been allowed to drink all day every day IN PUBS!?

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 7 June 2004 13:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I suspect the gist of calum's comment wrt black people in low level jobs, is that low level jobs are all that are offered to black people in London.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 7 June 2004 13:34 (twenty-two years ago)

whether i have been to scotland has no bearing on this
-- Dave Stelfox (destelfo...), June 7th, 2004.

Oh I'd say it does donkey dick.
And Nick - fuck off. That link is only funny if you have your sense of humour and get a laugh out of fat women drinking their own breast milk.

P.S. Pashmina OTM.

― C-Man (C-Man), Monday, 7 June 2004 13:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey Dave. If they banned alcohol outright maybe English louts wouldn't vote BNP and go abroad in England football shirts and cause a stink. Don't hear much about Scottish football thugs do you?

― C-Man (C-Man), Monday, 7 June 2004 13:36 (twenty-two years ago)

P.S. Pashmina OTM.

(faints at this)

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 7 June 2004 13:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Don't hear much about Scottish football thugs do you?

(haha Trainspotting to thread)

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 7 June 2004 13:37 (twenty-two years ago)

did they show trainspotting, in the USA?

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 7 June 2004 13:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm going to Edinburgh nex month. Calum, let's meet for beer.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Monday, 7 June 2004 13:38 (twenty-two years ago)

"I suspect the gist of calum's comment wrt black people in low level jobs, is that low level jobs are all that are offered to black people in London."

yeah...i know what he wanted us to undestand it as....i'm
just wondering if he's able to think on his pretend-high-horse

― de, Monday, 7 June 2004 13:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Hahaha, Dan Perry takes Trainspotting as literal representation of Scotland (NOTE: Every society has drunken thugs. England is just famosu for there ones).

Mikey - what's your email?

― C-Man (C-Man), Monday, 7 June 2004 13:39 (twenty-two years ago)

did they show trainspotting, in the USA?

No, I've been following it on the Channel 4 website. I imagine that the zombie baby on the ceiling sounds like Jane Horrocks.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 7 June 2004 13:40 (twenty-two years ago)

; )

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 7 June 2004 13:41 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.phoenixcontemporary.co.uk/beautgame/images/scotland/EnglandvScotland_fans_th.jpg

― Dave B (daveb), Monday, 7 June 2004 13:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Black people in low level jobs.

as a criticism of LONDON (as if this was the only place it occurred, or that it's somehow the fault of a city, as if such a horrendous generalisation could actually be true in this day and age) this is just too moronic a statement to deal with really.

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 7 June 2004 13:42 (twenty-two years ago)

And...

http://www.sporting-pictures.com/history/history5.jpg

The idea that Scottish fans are cuddly cheeky chaps is as partial an idea as the idea that england fans are boozed up fight hounds.

― Dave B (daveb), Monday, 7 June 2004 13:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Edinburgh smells a bit of cabbage today. Normally it smells of the brewery, but even that will be gone soon.

My office smells of my nice new shoes though. Edinburgh is excellent.

― ___ (___), Monday, 7 June 2004 13:44 (twenty-two years ago)

never heard of Scottish football thugs? What? so not the Rangers fans who arrived in Sunderland about five seasons ago to try and give the town a good going over,almost killing one Sunderland fan in the process? Not the Hibs fans rioting in various Scottish cities? Not the Rangers fans (them again??) who wrecked a pub in Chesterfield the night they got knocked out of the Anglo-Scottish cup?

― chris (chris), Monday, 7 June 2004 13:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Steve, I'm really well travelled across the UK - having lived in parts of England, Wales and Scotland (I've never been to Northern Ireland). And the only place I see endless amounts of black faces sweeping the floors is in "Lahn-dan".

― C-Man (C-Man), Monday, 7 June 2004 13:44 (twenty-two years ago)

argh, mod please remove that html, i'm still trying to find out how to get rid of this 5pywar3, it's very very sticky.

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 7 June 2004 13:44 (twenty-two years ago)

(Dave, was that scene after Ewan dove into the toilet?)

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 7 June 2004 13:45 (twenty-two years ago)

anyway calum, you've not actually told me anything good yet, just that the english are allegedly worse. what are you so proud of? the long history of sectarian bigotry, the rampant alcoholism, the highest incidence or coronary heart disease in the western world... inventing golf? what?

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 7 June 2004 13:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, I'll be in Edinburgh for the festival, let's meet Calum -- come armed of course.

― Sir Stewart Wallace (Enrique), Monday, 7 June 2004 13:47 (twenty-two years ago)

And you've still not told me if you've been. So, really, you've not - have you? Or are you going to lie and tell me you spent a day in Glasgow when you were 8?

― C-Man (C-Man), Monday, 7 June 2004 13:48 (twenty-two years ago)

c-man why do you constantly feel as if you know what you are talking about? surely you can see the problem with what you are saying. London is not like the other places you mention. it is a large dense city, with too many people in it. who are these black people you've seen? did you speak to them? are they British born? are they illegal immigrants? do they have qualifications they gained in education here or elsewhere? i see black people (British-born or otherwise) doing all kinds of j0bs. because i actually LIVE IN LONDON.

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 7 June 2004 13:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Having a volcano in the middle of the capital city is pretty cool.

― ___ (___), Monday, 7 June 2004 13:49 (twenty-two years ago)

The Fourth Rail Bridge is the best bridge ever.

― ___ (___), Monday, 7 June 2004 13:49 (twenty-two years ago)

well, it's the forth best, anyway.

― ENRQ (Enrique), Monday, 7 June 2004 13:50 (twenty-two years ago)

calum, whether or not i have spent any time in scotland is immaterial. you are there, tell me what's so damned great about it!

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 7 June 2004 13:51 (twenty-two years ago)

The Three Graces.

I've only been once, it was lovely.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Monday, 7 June 2004 13:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha! Dave slags of Scotland but has never been. Do not feel the need to answer you now prick ass. Tell me when you've gone North of Watford and actually got some reasoning behind your bigotry (i.e. I've spent AMPLE time in London which is why I can honestly say it is fucking shit).

― C-Man (C-Man), Monday, 7 June 2004 13:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Soma Record label and beautiful scenery an hour away from my house. Camping at the foot of Ben Nevis, attempting to climb Ben Nevis with a rucksack full of Tennents, those nice men in the Sea King Helicopter giving you a lift down ;)

― Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Monday, 7 June 2004 13:54 (twenty-two years ago)

what makes you think i haven't lived in scotland and that half my family are not, in fact, scottish calum?

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 7 June 2004 13:54 (twenty-two years ago)

A lack of Dave Stelfox makes it pretty damn great!

― ___ (___), Monday, 7 June 2004 13:55 (twenty-two years ago)

P.S C-Man, chill, Dave has a history of slagging us off. That 'alchoholism' blar de blar is essentially the same mince he trotted out on another thread.

― Rumpy Pumpkin (rumpypumpkin), Monday, 7 June 2004 13:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Soma Record label

Fuck it. We don't have the slightest chance of winning him over now...

― ___ (___), Monday, 7 June 2004 13:56 (twenty-two years ago)

i only do it when people slag off england and make members of a proud and complex culture that has fallen victim to an evil totalitarian regime south opf the border.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 7 June 2004 13:58 (twenty-two years ago)

My mum and dad have just been on holiday to Scotland; they said it was lovely how there were so few people there.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 7 June 2004 14:00 (twenty-two years ago)

they are all drinking tonic wine on the sunny streets of london, that's why

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 7 June 2004 14:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Dave - I thought we were just slagging London for being a veritable shithole, were we not?

― ___ (___), Monday, 7 June 2004 14:01 (twenty-two years ago)

apparently we owe the existence of these to the scots:

television
vacuum cleaners
radar
kaleidascope
steam engine
penicillin
antiseptics
telephone
thermos flask
anasthaesia

― Krankenhaus, Monday, 7 June 2004 14:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not a great follower of football, but wasn't one of the most notorious groups of fans in the seventies the "tartan army"?

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 7 June 2004 14:02 (twenty-two years ago)

thank you for the kaleidasope

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 7 June 2004 14:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Anyway, both Glasgow and Edinburgh are really great cities, my sister lives in Glasgow, and several friends live in Edinburgh, and I always enjoy visiting and staying there.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 7 June 2004 14:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Indeed there were. Had a terrible reputation and learnt from it, and are now seen as being the best travelling fans in Europe.

As opposed to the English...

(x-post to Pashmina)

― ___ (___), Monday, 7 June 2004 14:04 (twenty-two years ago)

you don't live in scotland, destelfox.

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 7 June 2004 14:04 (twenty-two years ago)

I guess that's true "___". "The English Abroad"... hmmm...

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 7 June 2004 14:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, quite. I see myself as relatively impartial, being English and having migrated to Scotland.

― ___ (___), Monday, 7 June 2004 14:09 (twenty-two years ago)

no i have done in the past, though

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 7 June 2004 14:10 (twenty-two years ago)

and i have nothing really against the place apart from the whining and bitching about the english

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Monday, 7 June 2004 14:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I love England. I just hate London.

― C-Man (C-Man), Monday, 7 June 2004 14:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Only been the once, to Glasgow, and most of that was spent in the Sub Club for Optimo. Wandering around before hand though the city was pretty attractive and transport ie buses and taxis, was cheap. If the prices for drinks in the Sub Club are anything to go by then drinks are cheap too, and the people are friendly and know how to party. I will be able to give a better answer in a months time as I'm going for a weekend.

― Kipple (Kipple), Monday, 7 June 2004 14:18 (twenty-two years ago)

If you'd take London over Edinburgh then your sense of sight and smell has been killed somewhere. London stinks (and I mean that literally, it really is a smelly city).

Not in my garden, surrounded by sunflowers and marogolds...

I don't think London smells much worse than Glasgow, say - a place I love very much. It seems when people from outside London, but in an inner city, comment on london, they simply magnify their anxieties about their own city and transpose them on London. Like, my girlfriend had a very slight run in with a guy last week who attempted to trip her up, no reason, and swore at her afterwards, and she was upset, and on the verge of saying something like, That'd never happen in Scotland. But it would. I feel no safer (perhaps even less so, because of unfamiliarity) in Glasgow than in London.

― stevie (stevie), Monday, 7 June 2004 14:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Stevie - you should never feel safe in Glasgow. It would be a false sense of security!

― ___ (___), Monday, 7 June 2004 14:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Eh... I always keep my *wits* about me, but I also feel that seeming *too* wary in a big city is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

― stevie (stevie), Monday, 7 June 2004 14:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the Playboy thread is now officially more interesting.

― C-Man (C-Man), Monday, 7 June 2004 14:30 (twenty-two years ago)

"officially".

"interesting"

(i just posted to yr playb0y thread calz!!)

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 7 June 2004 14:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Bugger Edimburgh, but glasgow is lovely as pretty much everywhere I've been in the Highlands and Islands (Fort William being a notable exception and Aviemore being a dump with some lovely mountains around). I'd love to explore the lowlands and Sutherland some more.

― Ed (dali), Monday, 7 June 2004 14:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Well seeing as they deleted the Playboy thread, here's a pic of Jamie Pressley:

http://alisanude.hosting43.com/jpr/15_jpr.jpg

― C-Man (C-Man), Monday, 7 June 2004 14:44 (twenty-two years ago)

A hail huzzah to the Boatman pub in Kingston - sup a pint by the river and gaze enviously at mansions adjourning the water!

― stevie (stevie), Monday, 7 June 2004 14:45 (twenty-two years ago)

oops. wrong. thread.

― stevie (stevie), Monday, 7 June 2004 14:45 (twenty-two years ago)

A friend of mine even directed her in one his films. Git.

― C-Man (C-Man), Monday, 7 June 2004 14:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Is that person in the photo from scotland, then?

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 7 June 2004 14:46 (twenty-two years ago)

don't want to do this as an attack-by-comparison with anywhere else, but is difficult to do it without some comparisons/benchmarks in mind...
so: refs are against 14 yrs living in SE England:
5 & 1/2 in M3 suburb-hell, 7 in Zone1 London, and 1 & 1/2 in S/Hampton area....

lack of flatness - means you can nrly always see hills/mountains on a horizon (heh: weather permitting) - gives a better sense of space/distance than flatland claustrophobia invoked previously

drinking water usually tastes OK and is less fuxored up by chalk/whatever the hell that stuff is in some other places
(though whether it is actually cleaner/healthier as proved-by-science is quite another matter)

it is generally colder than other parts of the UK, and compared to previous experience even in summer the air feels fresher/cleaner (though ref. 'water' point above)

less crowded - compared to traffic/pavement jams in those other places anyway...

ppl generally drive less manically/rudely

better drinking hours

less beer gardens (haha)

less mosquitos/crawlies - was almost outraged when first encountering ANTS - INSIDE A KITCHEN down south...
(note: i am East Coast so the dreaded Highland Midge Swarms are not much in my experience)

cannot be blamed for any Thatcher govt ever getting in (and possibly not for any tory govt. getting in - ever?)

stone over brick

tenements

(x-post:
'Edinburgh - that little part of Scotland that is forever...England'
actually the streets of Edinburgh do sometimes smell like stale urine - the last time was in November when the MTV awards were on. I suspect that wasn't just coincidence)

― Snowy Mann (rdmanston), Monday, 7 June 2004 14:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Tell me something good about Scotland...

My dad is buried in Ochiltree and he was a minesweeper at D-Day. And lived. Before that he played soccer with the Ochiltree Clodhoppers.

― aimurchie, Monday, 7 June 2004 14:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Alas Norm, Jamie is not from Scotland but from sunny Los Angeles.

― C-Man (C-Man), Monday, 7 June 2004 14:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Less mosquitos/crawlies - you muct be joking! One word - midges

― Vicky (Vicky), Monday, 7 June 2004 15:06 (twenty-two years ago)

look again

― Snowy Mann (rdmanston), Monday, 7 June 2004 15:11 (twenty-two years ago)

tell me something good about scotland.

― cozen (Cozen), Monday, 7 June 2004 15:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Still world champions of the casual vomit. With a strong showing in the handbag vomit.

The reading room at the National Library is nice enough. Too bad about Thin's.

― Stephen X (Stephen X), Monday, 7 June 2004 15:14 (twenty-two years ago)

tell me something good about, scotland.

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 7 June 2004 15:14 (twenty-two years ago)

can you believe this thread?

― cozen (Cozen), Monday, 7 June 2004 15:16 (twenty-two years ago)

x-post midges are a plague (ok, mostly in the west coast, as you said) and I encountered much more 'wildlife' in my many years in glasgow than in london. I don't get slaters running through the house anymore, nor are there any slug trails on the carpets, and there were plenty of student flats I visted that were infested by ants in the summer months, I think it's a hygine thing rather than geographical.

Good things about Scotland - interesting architecture, lots of green areas, fantastic history and historical sites to visit. The education system was far superior to that of Englands for many years (may still be, but I'm not in a position to comment any more)4 year courses at uni, fantastic beer, and obv, whisky.

― Vicky (Vicky), Monday, 7 June 2004 15:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Rabbie Burns!
My Mary's asleep by the murmuring trees,
flow gently sweet Afton, disturb not her dreams.

― aimurchie, Monday, 7 June 2004 15:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Edinbuggeredinburgh shockah

― Snowy Mann (rdmanston), Monday, 7 June 2004 15:36 (twenty-two years ago)

wait a minute. is this thread racist?

― cozen (Cozen), Monday, 7 June 2004 17:48 (twenty-two years ago)

No. We did this.

― ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 7 June 2004 17:50 (twenty-two years ago)

oh. whew, thank goodness.

― cozen (Cozen), Monday, 7 June 2004 17:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Scottish people are just paranoid. We aren't a race so can't be racist-ed. Apparently.

― ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 7 June 2004 17:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Is this thread nationist, statist, or regionist? (And how does that relate back to Trainspotting?)

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 7 June 2004 17:59 (twenty-two years ago)

can you believe this thread?

No, and I don't want to.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Monday, 7 June 2004 18:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Something good about Scotland:

There are people who are better than the crap exhibited on this thread.

And everything that Dave B said.

― ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 7 June 2004 20:31 (twenty-two years ago)

haha! and you haven't even met cozen!!

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 7 June 2004 21:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I always think Edinburgh smells like Wheatabix. As I don't like the cereal, it's a very bad thing. Our pubs don't close at 11 though.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Monday, 7 June 2004 22:52 (twenty-two years ago)

On the other hand, Edinburgh is everything London is not. The people are nice.

Exsqueeze me? Edinburgh is one of the unfriendliest cities I've ever been to and London is what you make of it, some of the nicest, friendliest and most welcoming people I've ever met have been in London.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 10:14 (twenty-two years ago)

this thread is not racist

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 10:17 (twenty-two years ago)

This sums up Edinburgh. I was meeting someone in Edinburgh once and not sure of the street I was to meet them at, so I thought I'd ask directions. First person I approached crossed the street to avoid me, the second person started walking faster before virtually breaking out in a jog, third person said he'd never heard of the place when in fact we were standing about 30 yards from it. Yeah, London's worse than Edinburgh.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 10:22 (twenty-two years ago)

living in aberdeen was the worst experience of my life. also, let's just say that there are very few pubs in england where you'll get threatened by some ignorant drunken fuck for being scottish while having a quiet beer, doing no one any harm. the main thing is need persuading of is that plenty of scots do not have huge chips on their shoulders about being scottish (see calum above, etc). full discllosure, as many people know, i am half scottish and think the western highlands are beautiful.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 10:35 (twenty-two years ago)

To be honest Dave, I think Scots have every right to have a chip on their shoulder

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 10:37 (twenty-two years ago)

... mind you it's usually been their own fault

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 10:40 (twenty-two years ago)

ts: the injustices visted on the scots by the english v the injustices visted of the working classes in general.

there's nothing in it. there are reasons to gripe, fair enough, but not continually, like calum and many others.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 10:42 (twenty-two years ago)

there are very few pubs in england where you'll get threatened by some ignorant drunken fuck for being scottish while having a quiet beer

true. a lot more pubs if you happen to be nonwhite though.

― zappi (joni), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 10:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I am hoping against hope Dave that you are not assuming Calum is representative of the Scottish nation! See those Cambodians, wotta bunch of cunts, look at that Pol Pot geezer for one...

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 10:47 (twenty-two years ago)

i've worked and lived there and found calum's views pretty prevalent (not all of them, mind) "this is dave, he's english but hee's alright, honest" was one introduction.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 10:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Scotland = White, Presbyterian, Dour Hardworking Miserable Tight-fisted Cunts
Greater Glasgow = Catholics, Asians, Chinese, Fun-loving Fops
-- Dadaismus (kcoyne3...), May 27th, 2004.

Add, small-minded, provincial and anti-English to the Scotland equation.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 10:53 (twenty-two years ago)

But Glaswegians are as anti-English as other Scots, aren't they? Certainly I've found Glasgow to be the less friendly place to speak with a (Southern) English accent than other places I've been in Scotland (mostly lowland belt).

― Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 10:56 (twenty-two years ago)

you may as well.

I don't think you're alright, dave, but it has nothing to do with where you happen or don't happen to be from, honest.

crosspost

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 10:57 (twenty-two years ago)

very often, when we go out, in a group, cookie and I are the only two scots. after a couple of horrendous beatings, as "co-conspirators", we started training and going to the gym and carrying guns and sharp things. now we only get the shit kicked out of us, for hanging around with english people, if they REALLY manage to take us by surprise.

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 11:00 (twenty-two years ago)

i was about to say he was wrong on that count, but thought i'd throw you a bone rjg

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 11:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't need a bone; I have knives and ninja stars.

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 11:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't know, in Glasgow it seems to be more based on politics than visceral hatred. Factor in an Irish nationalist element too.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 11:02 (twenty-two years ago)

That may be right Dada but it's hard to judge hostility's motivation.

Having said that, I haven't ever even been threatened in a Scottish bar, just felt a sense of unfriendliness sometimes, and I'm not really complaining about that, even. The Scots I know are tremendously great people virtually to a man and woman. I don't like nationalism, generally.

― Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 11:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I lost my virginity to a Scottish boy - in London. He followed me. Therefore I am fond of both places.
My Scottish family tried to ingrain an anti-English and anti-Irish mentality into me - but it didn't take. As an American, I was so deeply in love with the tangible history of Scotland - and as an American, I also knew what racism was really like.
My Scottish cousins - who had there own weird circumstances, as I had mine, were disdainful of my love of the ancient things. The auld brig in Ayr was both a real and metaphorical touchstone for me.
I can't believe that noone has responded to the "Ochiltree Clodhoppers" - my dads old football team. It should be a band name.

― aimurchie, Tuesday, 8 June 2004 11:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Dave - I think you were just about beaten up in that Aberdeen pub because you were walking around trouser wanking to every girl you saw and then trying to do lewd and indecent acts with a slice of lemon and a straw.

Do not try and proclaim otherwise. Your offensive acts have not been forgotten by Aberdeen.

― C-Man (C-Man), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 11:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Enter the C-Man, exit everyone else

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 11:42 (twenty-two years ago)

The one who wins will be officially known as THE Ochiltree Clodhopper. I am now running away - can't abide bloodsports or fisticuffs.

― aimurchie, Tuesday, 8 June 2004 13:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Hmmm. Another ridiculous thread. What fun.

― Ally C (Ally C), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 14:59 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...

This week in 'do not read while you are eating or drinking, as you may choke' entertainment:

The NRO considers Scotland and deems it "the land of kilt-wearing Marxists and environmentalists (hence, I suppose, all the green and red in their plaids)". It is explained that the problem here was "Thatcherism never really penetrated far into Scotland, despite some of her most fervent admirers being Scottish." This is as opposed of course to an earlier time: "The great years of the British union also helped turn Scotland into an outward-looking culture, engaged in the great works of Empire."

Well of course. Huh?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 2 June 2006 14:22 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...

Scottish pensioners RULE!!!

http://h8w.net/work/im.html

(a couple some of my friends didn't recognize: Yalta Conference, Jesse Owens at the '36 Olympics in Berlin, Pope John Paul II in jail with the guy who shot him)

― StanM, Wednesday, 31 October 2007 16:26 (eighteen years ago)

That is a thing of wonder (shame about his annoying website).

― Madchen, Thursday, 1 November 2007 14:01 (eighteen years ago)

~~his~~ their

― Madchen, Thursday, 1 November 2007 14:02 (eighteen years ago)

that really is great. website sucks, yep.

― jed_, Thursday, 1 November 2007 14:20 (eighteen years ago)

Where's the love of David Hume? Best enlightenment philosopher ever, and a drunk, to boot!

― libcrypt, Thursday, 1 November 2007 17:55 (eighteen years ago)

Oh we all love him loads, we just don't talk about it much

― Tom D., Thursday, 1 November 2007 18:00 (eighteen years ago)

eight months pass...

http://blog.23x.net/5/what-is-a-munchy-box.html

^^^this

― The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics, Thursday, 3 July 2008 15:21 (seventeen years ago)

I've been away too long. Or, alternately, not long enough.

― Dingbod Kesterson, Thursday, 3 July 2008 15:28 (seventeen years ago)

There's a thing you get called a "hoagie" that is very similar. Carton with chips and cheese and the donner with salad and sauce all inside a nan. Belter.

― jim, Thursday, 3 July 2008 18:24 (seventeen years ago)

six years pass...

Police Recorded
Assault
Cases per
100,000 Population

Scotland
1487
Sweden
927
England and Wales
730
Belgium
718
Israel
641
Germany
630
Finland
615
Chile
576
Luxembourg
476
Ireland
353

http://www.civitas.org.uk/crime/crime_stats_oecdjan2012.pdf

― nakhchivan, Saturday, 11 April 2015 14:46 (eleven years ago)

yas fucking get it up yes

― Rave Van Donk (jim in glasgow), Saturday, 11 April 2015 14:51 (eleven years ago)

the deadly mixture of buckie and carmenere must be responsible for untold violence in the chiledonian community

― nakhchivan, Saturday, 11 April 2015 14:56 (eleven years ago)

there was a lack of viable threads for this one, either this or 'beautiful places in scotland' and most of the rest were old ilm threads about scottish indie and fitba threads, including this where dom advises someone to put money on germany to beat scotland ('final score: scotland 1 germany 1)

should I place a bet of five hundred pounds, at four to seven, on germany beating scotland?

― nakhchivan, Saturday, 11 April 2015 14:58 (eleven years ago)

Ya dancer, we're still fuckin' mental! Hello!!!!

― Quack and Merkt (Tom D.), Saturday, 11 April 2015 14:59 (eleven years ago)

Sorry that was my inner Boaby G talking. WTF's up with Sweden, they're almost as bad as us, the bampots.

― Quack and Merkt (Tom D.), Saturday, 11 April 2015 15:02 (eleven years ago)

aye legitimately surprised wi sweden. propah nawty scandi scandal.

― Rave Van Donk (jim in glasgow), Saturday, 11 April 2015 15:06 (eleven years ago)

there's a pronounced correlation between latitude, mode of alcohol consumption and violence

estonia is the only european country with a higher murder rate than the usa, and that is with restrictive gun laws

― nakhchivan, Saturday, 11 April 2015 15:15 (eleven years ago)

Further north you go the more dark, boring and depressing it gets.... though not on the balmy west coast of Scotland, of course, where we are caressed by the Gulf Stream.... no, hold on, that doesn't work.

― Quack and Merkt (Tom D.), Saturday, 11 April 2015 15:20 (eleven years ago)

plockton is such a weird place

― PORC EPIC SAVVAGE (imago), Saturday, 11 April 2015 15:30 (eleven years ago)

Those stats are from 2012

#justsaying

― paolo, Saturday, 11 April 2015 17:00 (eleven years ago)

two months pass...

So er I came back from Edinburgh with Scottish looking money in 10 quid notes - can't use it anywhere so had to change it at the bank.

can anyone explain this madness?

― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 27 June 2015 13:12 (ten years ago)

I didn't know where else to put this - loving Scotland, people are friendly - if you're lost, people ask you whether you are lost. Never happens in London.

And I haven't tested 'anywhere', just a couple of shops.

but still what's up with this.

― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 27 June 2015 13:14 (ten years ago)

can't use it anywhere so had to change it at the bank.

this is just London being cunts. my Scottish-dad-having pal used to work in a shop and insist on everyone accepting Scottish notes bcz she found it so infuriating coming back

the other year I went to the Lake District (instead of LDN) after Glasgow and braced for a problem finishing with my notes: "of course we take them? Why wouldn't we? We get them all the time"

― back once again with the panel behaviour (sic), Saturday, 27 June 2015 14:28 (ten years ago)

really its like Scotland its a diff country, maybe they should...oh never mind.

― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 27 June 2015 19:50 (ten years ago)

I didn't know where else to put this - loving Scotland, people are friendly - if you're lost, people ask you whether you are lost. Never happens in London.

It never happens in Edinburgh either, in my experience, but your experience appears to be different. I currently have a Scottish fiver in my wallet, from my last visit, which I'm keeping till my next visit, because I can't be arsed with the palaver of trying to spend it in London.

― holger sharkey (Tom D.), Saturday, 27 June 2015 20:38 (ten years ago)

tried to spend a clydesdale bank tenner the other day in newham and was told "we don't take euros" smh

― transparent play for gifs (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 27 June 2015 21:27 (ten years ago)

Going back next week - sadly have to stock up on cash.

It never happens in Edinburgh either, in my experience, but your experience appears to be different.

Well I looked really lost a couple of times, it was fine, just doing my walking around and eventually find what I was looking for. Maybe I was lucky and its summer or something.

Tom do you know a good pub around Haymarket at all? Or do you mostly know Glasgow?

― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 27 June 2015 21:49 (ten years ago)

I don't even know Glasgow anymore :( Edinburgh is not short of pubs, that's for sure, and good ones too but I'm no expert.

― holger sharkey (Tom D.), Saturday, 27 June 2015 23:16 (ten years ago)

three years pass...

LOL Scotland.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/17583393.vanguard-bears-join-protest-against-protestant-discrimination-by-glasgow-city-council/

― Do you like 70s hard rock with a guitar hero? (Tom D.), Thursday, 18 April 2019 14:27 (seven years ago)

will no-one think of the Culture and Beliefs of the Protestant people of Scotland

― Boris Bronfentrinker of Quinn Emanuel Urquhart & Sullivan (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 18 April 2019 14:48 (seven years ago)

I have a theory that some pished guy misheard a council bigwig singing the praises of positive discrimination.

― Do you like 70s hard rock with a guitar hero? (Tom D.), Thursday, 18 April 2019 16:10 (seven years ago)

the rise in the tory vote in scotland explained: loyalist zoomers

― findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 18 April 2019 16:19 (seven years ago)

"The River Tweed is the line of demarcation between all that is noble and all that is base. South of the river is all honour, virtue and patriotism. North of it is nothing but lying, malice, meanness and slavery. Scotland is a treeless, flowerless land, formed out of the refuse of the universe and inhabited by the very bastards of creation".

OTM?

― Ned Caligari (Tom D.), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 00:20 (seven years ago)

It's just a theory until all the evidence is in.

― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 01:57 (seven years ago)

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