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Not enough California threads on this board, IMHO.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 13 May 2004 14:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Not too many Cockney bastards stinking up the place.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 May 2004 14:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh wait.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 May 2004 14:40 (twenty-two years ago)

My best friend came from there.

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 13 May 2004 14:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Left Coast rules!

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 13 May 2004 14:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I just ate 2 lbs of California strawberries (well, maybe a pound and a half after trimming). They were $2.68 CDN for a 2 lb container. Just be glad you don't live with me.

― Bryan (Bryan), Thursday, 13 May 2004 14:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Are you a grocery accountant?

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 13 May 2004 14:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Nope, I'm an unemployed accountant. I would also like to say that they were delicious strawberries.

― Bryan (Bryan), Thursday, 13 May 2004 14:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm eating strawberries now.

I want to see San Francisco, but I've never been to California at all.

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Thursday, 13 May 2004 14:59 (twenty-two years ago)

You should "see" San Francisco, so should NA. I will personally show it to you.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 13 May 2004 15:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Strawberries and San Francisco

Here's a place to go:

http://sfphototour.tripod.com/images/hyatt_ferry.jpg

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 13 May 2004 15:03 (twenty-two years ago)

If I ever go to California, I will be quietly asked to leave because evertime I open a door, I'll erupt, "Califor-NY-AYE!"

― The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Thursday, 13 May 2004 15:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Luna's there and she's very good.

― Bryan (Bryan), Thursday, 13 May 2004 15:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Ferry Building! So how is the market there, Michael? I've heard ridiculously overpriced, but I think I know the wine-buyer there -- been meaning to stop in.

(xpost x 2)

― Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Thursday, 13 May 2004 15:06 (twenty-two years ago)

I still haven't been HERE (before and after):

http://www.usgennet.org/usa/topic/parks/sutro-sf/grafx-sutro/sutro-baths.jpg
http://www.electricelf.org/album/images/2003_01_10_sutro_baths_02.jpg

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 13 May 2004 15:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Sutro Ruins are fun! Go around midnight and get the blazin' high school kids to show you the tunnel through the hill. (I know this probably sounds like a setup, but seriously.)

― Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Thursday, 13 May 2004 15:09 (twenty-two years ago)

what's great about (southern) california:

http://www.psmodcom.com/pix/Architects%20Pix/WexlerPix/Spa_Bath_House.jpg

― stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 13 May 2004 15:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Ooooooh.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 13 May 2004 15:10 (twenty-two years ago)

It's like Astrud Gilberto is whispering "ba ba ba"s right into my ear.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 13 May 2004 15:11 (twenty-two years ago)

ba ba ba

― astrud gilberto (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 13 May 2004 15:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm Stan Getz being a prima donna in the corner. "GET THAT JUNKIE BAKER OUT OF HERE!"

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 May 2004 15:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Never buy your apricot danish from a junkie baker.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 13 May 2004 15:21 (twenty-two years ago)

But what if he also sells Sugar Smacks?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 May 2004 15:22 (twenty-two years ago)

A junkie baker, yesterday

http://gallery.euroweb.hu/art/b/berckhey/job/baker.jpg

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 13 May 2004 15:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Sean Thomas

So how is the market there, Michael?

Great. It has always been expensive, even when it was on Front St. But for seasonal organic produce it's excellent. Wine store isn't bad. Has some inexpensive (what I call 'weekday') wines. Go get some oysters or whatever and a glass of wine, sit outside on the Bay side, and watch the commuters get onto the ferries.

Sutro Ruins

3 words: Teenage Pot Sex

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 13 May 2004 15:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Is that why AKM likes it so much?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 13 May 2004 15:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Here's another place for nocturnal adolescent snogging:

http://www.thenocturnes.com/canocturne/images/pier7.jpg

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 13 May 2004 15:26 (twenty-two years ago)

the tiki bar in the hotel that we went to in san francisco is lovely. san diego is very pretty in parts and has nice weather, plus the best 24hr burrito stand. the chateau marmont in l.a. might be my most favorite hotel, even if the city drives me nuts ("walking directions? are you from new york?").

― lauren (laurenp), Thursday, 13 May 2004 15:31 (twenty-two years ago)

THE TONGA ROOM, FAIRMONT HOTEL, SAN FRANCISCO, AUGUST 29, 1952

http://web.meganet.net/kman/donh3.jpg

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 13 May 2004 15:33 (twenty-two years ago)

plus the best 24hr burrito stand

Haha, I'm almost positive I know the place you're talking about. Do you remember the name?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 May 2004 15:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Tonga Room

I think they still have a decent happy hour there. I was there about a month ago and I remember drinking muchos chi chis.

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 13 May 2004 15:36 (twenty-two years ago)

This place makes LA OK

http://www.titostacos.com/Tito%27s%20Pics%20for%20Web/Main-Sign.jpg

I first went here when I was four.

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 13 May 2004 15:38 (twenty-two years ago)

The Tonga Room at the Fairmont! I've lived here seven years and have still never made it there. I move that the next SF FAP be held there!

― Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Thursday, 13 May 2004 15:40 (twenty-two years ago)

yes, the tonga room. i have some good pictures that i'm too lazy to scan in.
ned, i forget what the burrito stand is called but it's right up the road from a der wienerschnitzel and kind of across the street from a sweet leaf coffee/tea place.

― lauren (laurenp), Thursday, 13 May 2004 15:40 (twenty-two years ago)

plus the best 24hr burrito stand

I'm interested in this too, please. I will be down in SD soon.. and may need to eat burritos at any time of the day. OR night.

Also, Tito's is dud.

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Thursday, 13 May 2004 15:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Tonga Room rules.

I also am starting to be interested in CA towns that aren't LA or SF. Let's talk about them, too.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 13 May 2004 15:41 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm not from california

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― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 13 May 2004 15:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Petaluma is a lovely little place (looking now for pictures).

Also search: Russian River

― Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Thursday, 13 May 2004 15:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Chico was kind of mysteriously weird and cool-looking with fog and whatnot, but the burrito I had there was miserable.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 13 May 2004 15:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I also am starting to be interested in CA towns that aren't LA or SF. Let's talk about them, too.

Carmel rules OK. I would however say this. Costa Mesa is the center of the known universe for some reason as well, but modesty forbids further details.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 May 2004 15:45 (twenty-two years ago)

http://arch.ced.berkeley.edu/kap/1997_images/scb1.jpg

Santa Cruz.

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Thursday, 13 May 2004 15:45 (twenty-two years ago)

That picture is a damned lie, in that they have Photoshopped out the cloud of patchouli oil stink and pot smoke that hovers over the place.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 May 2004 15:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't know much about Southern CA towns, or Central Valley towns, or Sacramento River area stuff. The small towns I spent a short amount of time in last summer were all Humboldt/Mendocino.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 13 May 2004 15:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Kites can't see hippies, Ned. Also, are you sure that the thick cloud wasn't just your gorgeous hair flowing in front of your face?

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Thursday, 13 May 2004 15:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Mmm, thank you, I had forgotten how beautiful it was.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 May 2004 15:49 (twenty-two years ago)

It's pretty.

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Thursday, 13 May 2004 15:49 (twenty-two years ago)

What are these places like? ----> Indio, Bakersfield, Calistoga.

I quite like Santa Rosa! Is that shameful?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 13 May 2004 15:50 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.caphotos.com/sac_old_town_wells_fargo.jpg

Old Town Sacramento. Fun in a corny kind of way.

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 13 May 2004 15:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Calistoga is a nice town. Wine country but not as high maintenance as St. Helena. Bakersfield has some great Californio Mexican food and awesome steak. It does merit its dismal reputation otherwise IMHO.

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 13 May 2004 15:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Is Bakersfield really the Nashville of inland California?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 13 May 2004 15:54 (twenty-two years ago)

And if so, how so?

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 13 May 2004 15:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Country music!

I should have explained.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 13 May 2004 15:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Santa Cruz is about my favorite town ever.

― luna (luna.c), Thursday, 13 May 2004 15:56 (twenty-two years ago)

It's pretty damned flat in Bakersfield. Buck Owens vs. Korn = oh, I think I know which side I'm on.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 May 2004 15:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not sure I follow. Nashville's a pretty important music town. The real evil is in Fresno. It's a growing, newish, semi-urban tumor. At least Bakersfield is genuinely ugly which gives it some chance at charm.

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 13 May 2004 15:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Some friends just moved to Calistoga -- it's a small town on the northern portion of Napa Valley, very touristy in its "downtown" (4-5 blocks of spas and restaurants) but in other ways a sleepy bedroom community for Napa Valley. A good place to have dinner after a day spent on the Silverado Trail.

I encourage everyone to befriend an oenologist whose winery is owned by a large multinational conglomerate which also owns lots of other wineries in Napa. His business card = Wonka-style Golden Ticket, as I learned recently.

(xxxxpost)

― Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Thursday, 13 May 2004 15:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Ned Raggett v. The Orange County Supertones

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 13 May 2004 15:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I think I know what side I'm on...

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 13 May 2004 15:58 (twenty-two years ago)

My wife and I have been in serious discussions about moving to California lately. Quite fed up with the New England weather and this recent string of 75 degree days has really got us thinking.

― Chris 'The Velvet Bingo' V (Chris V), Thursday, 13 May 2004 15:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Davis -- very pleasant, lots of rock shows in kids' living rooms... obviously mostly a college town. A really nice place to live, but it's gotten expensive from what I've heard. All the apartment complexes have swimming pools, which is fun on the hot summer nights. There are lots of retired London double decker buses roaming the streets, and some old english phonebooths as well. And bikes get their own stoplights.

Sacto -- Where the hipsters in Williamsburg etc. lived before they moved to Williamsburg. Great sports town, great punk bands, and intense weather. The westernmost midwestern city, I think.

Woodland -- amazing thrift shops and old man bars.

Martinez -- there is a pinball collector who has farmed out a lot of his old machines to the bars in Martinez (allegedly the birthplace of the matrini); so you have a good chance of playing some 50's/early 60's pinball at any one of them. Once whilst riding the train from Davis to San Jose, I saw the Tosco oil refinery in Martinez blow up, but this is hardly news because it happens all the time.

Bakersfield is pretty drab -- go into a taco bell there and it's pretty obvious that you're in Korn country.

― Kris (aqueduct), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Why would you be ashamed to like Santa Rosa, Adam?

birthplace of the matrini Drinking already, Kris?

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I've been to San Diego and up to the Big Bear Lake region. Both were pretty spiff.

― NA (Nick A.), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Basque food in Bakersfield is URGENT AND KEY, and this place is a religious experience.

― stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:02 (twenty-two years ago)

There is great basque food in Reno and in Grass Valley too, from what I've heard.

― Kris (aqueduct), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Santa Rosa is kind of ... uhh .. yeah.

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Thanks Cindy. I'll check that out next time I'm passing through. Most of the old Basque places in SF are gone now.

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:05 (twenty-two years ago)

ned, are we talking about the same burrito place?

― lauren (laurenp), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:05 (twenty-two years ago)

It SOUNDS right, but the last time I was there was five years back so I can't say for sure. Damned good stuff, though.

I think I know what side I'm on...

Hey!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:08 (twenty-two years ago)

yes yes LA blah blah San Francisco blah blah Santa Cruz blah blah blee DOESN'T ANYONE LIKE NATURE?? California is easily the most beautiful state. It's got it all.

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Being stuck in Boston with all this Cali talk makes me wanna be drinking

― Kris (aqueduct), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Grass Valley/Nevada City = fun

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I keed, Ned. I was trying to wind you up about the annoying Xian ska band from your hometown.

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:09 (twenty-two years ago)

DOESN'T ANYONE LIKE NATURE??

Nature is for animals, oops.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:09 (twenty-two years ago)

That's why bears don't have driver's licenses.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:10 (twenty-two years ago)

DOES ANYONE REMEMBER LAUGHTER?

I was trying to wind you up about the annoying Xian ska band from your hometown

You succeeded.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:10 (twenty-two years ago)

The variety of agriculture going on in California is really unbelievable.

― Kris (aqueduct), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Basque food in Bakersfield is URGENT AND KEY...

Basque food ANYWHERE is urgent and key!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:11 (twenty-two years ago)

DOESN'T ANYONE LIKE NATURE?

i like to look at it from train windows or from a balcony of a nice hotel.

― lauren (laurenp), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:12 (twenty-two years ago)

it's fun to drive through a redwood forest.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Santa Barbara is a pretty little town

Berkeley has all the hippies you'll ever need

There are zillions of miles of gorgeous coastline, beautiful mountains and deserts, you can fish, you can hike, you can swim, you can surf, you can ski, you can horseback ride, you can make millions, you can become a movie star (and if you live in the San Fernando Valley, a very special kind of movie star), you can realise your adolescent rock star dreams, you can grow the grapes to make the wine to get plastered on, you can go through Gilroy and eat garlic to your heart's content, you can visit the Golden Gate and the Winchester Mystery House, you can camp in Redwood National Park, you can go to sleep at night under a blanket of california stars, secure in the knowledge that you are governed by the motherfucking Terminator.

― luna (luna.c), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Natural beauty good. Wineries amid natural beauty even better.

http://www.closlachance.com/images/patio.jpg width=296 height=197>

― Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:14 (twenty-two years ago)

d'oh!

― Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:14 (twenty-two years ago)

moderator please delete html skills

― Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Now that I have a job, I can start saving money to go there.

― tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Luna, who are you calling a hippie?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:15 (twenty-two years ago)

rosemary you got a job? congrats!

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:16 (twenty-two years ago)

we saw your hair in that picture @d@ml!

― Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:17 (twenty-two years ago)

yay t.r.!!

― lauren (laurenp), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Getty
http://www.rotovibe.com/images/sarah_visit/107_0781.jpg

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I didn't say everyone there was one, Adam.

― luna (luna.c), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:18 (twenty-two years ago)

As I said the other day on my thread that I won't even bother finding, GO TO YOSEMITE RIGHT NOW. It's so beautiful right now in a special spring way and soon it'll merely be unbelievably beautiful in a summery kind of way.

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Spencer

I haven't been yet. Is it at all that it was meant to be?

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I didn't say everyone there was one, Adam.

I know, I know.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Aimee, it's been to long since I've pointed out that you are my favorite person ever.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:21 (twenty-two years ago)

MOTHERFCUKING TERMINATOR

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:21 (twenty-two years ago)

I really liked santa cruz the last time I went there, which was the first time in several years. There were fewer hippies than I expected. Anyway Ned, with that hair you have to right to throw stones! They would accept you as one of them.

I haven't been to the Sutro Baths at night, because I'm afraid I'll fall down and die or be murdered.

Hwy. 1 through Marin has the prettiest beaches ever. And no people!

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:22 (twenty-two years ago)

How can you be so hateful?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Sutro Baths is so great, and you can start there and continue walking north (or south) along the coast for quite a ways. There's also a little cafe/dinner I like there.

I haven't been yet. Is it at all that it was meant to be?

The Getty is very nice to walk around. All that marble is really nice, especially in bright sunlight. Great views. Reasonable cafe. There's also some art.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Awww nick, you're mine, too. *mwah*

― luna (luna.c), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:25 (twenty-two years ago)

i work hard

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:25 (twenty-two years ago)

the getty is really but getting there is kind of a pain, and there is not really enough art in there, from my one experience (this is true for most places though). The view is nice if you want to look at smog. The gardens there are really pretty. The one time I went there were also no people!

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Sutro Baths at night is surprisingly mellow (though I did go with a group of about 10 people, which perhaps intimidated the stoned high school kids a bit). There's a tunnel through one of the cliffs that emerges onto a great view of the ocean, though it's worth going in just for the acoustics alone. There's also a path along the cliffs that takes you to the Palace of the Legion of Honor and adjacent golf course (prob. what Spencer's referring to).

― Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:28 (twenty-two years ago)

The new Getty really isn't somewhere you go to see the art.

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:28 (twenty-two years ago)

The most disappointing part of my trip to the Bay Area was that I didn't see a single hippie in Berkeley. Just dorks in Gap clothes wearing humongous backpacks.

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:30 (twenty-two years ago)

holy moly. i stop to read for a second and there are 1000 xposts

Michae, thank you for your love of Tito's Tacos. i am one of the few people who stand by that place it seems. i was just there this past Saturday. (Hi LA, i was there this weekend for mother's day and a Midnight Madness scavenger hunt).

― JaXoN (JasonD), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Dean otm, the art is really nothing compared to the materials and the view. Also, more Getty images to belie akm's overly harsh review!
http://www.rotovibe.com/images/sarah_visit/107_0778.jpg

http://www.rotovibe.com/images/sarah_visit/108_0807.jpg

http://www.rotovibe.com/images/sarah_visit/107_0798.jpg

http://www.rotovibe.com/images/sarah_visit/107_0789.jpg

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I should point out, for the record, that all porn movie shooting is on hiatus in the SFV at the moment because a couple of actors have tested positive for HIV.

A moment of silence, please.

― luna (luna.c), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:32 (twenty-two years ago)

oops, who are you calling a dork in Gap clothes with a humungous backpack?

AKM, how can you be such a cynical guttersnipe?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:32 (twenty-two years ago)

breeding

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:34 (twenty-two years ago)

i like the santa monica pier. It's cheesier than Santa Cruz for some reason. It's also less cold.

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:34 (twenty-two years ago)

THE HIATUS IS OVER! THE PORN LIVES ON!

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Santa Monica pier is more ghetto than bakersfield and compton combined

― JaXoN (JasonD), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I sit corrected.

― luna (luna.c), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Does Wine Country have a ghetto? Is it full of badass motheruckers sitting on the stoop drinking Sancerre wrapped in brown paper?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:38 (twenty-two years ago)

motheruckers!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:38 (twenty-two years ago)

American Canyon apparently comes pretty close.

― Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Ukiah is the ghetto of wine country.

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I encountered some shady mofos in Big Sur, which is near some wine country.

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Ukiah is cute, but I wouldn't ever want to stay there or be there after dark.

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Hwy. 1 through Marin has the prettiest beaches ever. And no people!

???? On a fog-free Saturday, the drive to Stinson or Muir Beach is impossible. it is pretty though.

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:43 (twenty-two years ago)

North from Stinson to the Russian River is pretty, and a hell of a lot less crowded.

― Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:44 (twenty-two years ago)

The Getty is good for both art AND view, ya crazy people.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, can I get some love for Boonville?

http://sublimespot.com/beer/images/indiapa2_.jpg

― Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:46 (twenty-two years ago)

(admittedly, my experience there is limited to the Anderson Valley Brewery and assorted country stores)

― Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I was all set to mention the Mojave Phone Booth, but IT'S BEEN REMOVED!!!

― luna (luna.c), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:51 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.deuceofclubs.com/moj/mojave.html

― luna (luna.c), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:52 (twenty-two years ago)

The Getty is good for both art AND view, ya crazy people.

Moreso for tourists and less so for people with degrees in art .. etc. Although it is getting better! I will admit that.

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, that is sad about the phone booth. I heard about that much too late.

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:53 (twenty-two years ago)

What about for tourists with degrees in art? And to what degree?

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 13 May 2004 16:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I was all set to mention the Mojave Phone Booth, but IT'S BEEN REMOVED!!!

I still haven't had the heart to delete the Mojave Phone Booth phone number out of my address book.

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:02 (twenty-two years ago)

There are tears in my heart.

And my beer.

― luna (luna.c), Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:02 (twenty-two years ago)

There's still a lot of SF/LA centrism here. I'm going to shout out for Death Valley

http://www.venhaus1.com/dunes4.jpg

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:04 (twenty-two years ago)

The Bristlecone Pine Forest in the White Mountains

http://www.quartzcity.net/~chris/desert/bristlecone.jpg

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I will raise you Coalinga or Tehachapi or better yet... Mt. Shasta.

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:05 (twenty-two years ago)

shout out to my boy(s) in Arcata! Hold it down.

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:06 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.powerlink.net/fen/images/redwood.jpg

I was born in the redwood forests of Humboldt County. In all my travels I have still never found a place that make me feel so complete... quiet, unafraid, calm and serene. Nothing else comes close.

― andy, Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Mono Lake

http://dennis.flaherty.com/middle2.jpg

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:06 (twenty-two years ago)

The Arcata Eye police log

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:07 (twenty-two years ago)

http://totalescape.com/GIFS/backroads/panamint/PanamintView.jpg

Panamint Valley!

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Lake Mendocino (v. nice for camping):

http://www.pressdemo.com/water/graphics/5_10f.jpg

xpost that Mono Lake picture is amazing!

― Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Let us also not forget the historic lumber town (incorporated in 1901) of Weed, CA.

― luna (luna.c), Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Panamint City!

http://www.quartzcity.net/~chris/desert/panamint-city.jpg

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:08 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.bodie.net/gallery/images/RITCHIE-019-MainSt.jpg

Bodie!

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:08 (twenty-two years ago)

The Copper Cafe at the Madonna Inn. Avert your eyes!

http://www.madonnainn.com/images/coffeeshop3.jpg

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:10 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.breaktv.com/comedycentral/images/strip_mainlogo.jpg

― andy, Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:10 (twenty-two years ago)

http://newton-i.usefilm.com/7/5/75/19360-small.jpg

June Lake

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Jenner:

http://www.pressdemo.com/water/graphics/5_10c.jpg

― Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:11 (twenty-two years ago)

driving home on the 5 from LA to SF on monday i saw this!!

http://www.tonymobile.com/brand/tonymobile/

― JaXoN (JasonD), Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Mt Lassen

http://geography.sierra.cc.ca.us/booth/California/landform_provinces/mt_lassen_eruption.jpg

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:13 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.williamsmith.com/mine1.jpg

Yuba River

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:14 (twenty-two years ago)

The urinal in the men's restroom of the Madonna Inn's lobby is a waterfall!

http://travel.discovery.com/fansites/worldsbest/bathrooms/gallery/madonnar_inn_1a.jpg

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:14 (twenty-two years ago)

California produce. Some of the best vegetables anywhere.

http://www.thelabelman.com/labels/veggie/Vpinto.jpg

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:15 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.rea-studio.com/Revised%20Yosemite/Wawona%20Meadows%205%20X%207.jpg

I grew up in Wawona.

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:16 (twenty-two years ago)

The urinal in the men's restroom of the Madonna Inn's lobby is a waterfall!

I've peed in that waterfall!

― JaXoN (JasonD), Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:16 (twenty-two years ago)

California Politics. Some of the best vegetables anywhere.

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:17 (twenty-two years ago)

We have a town called Weed

http://www.realduesouth.com/RayDoll/California/WeedSign.jpg

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I forgot about the Arcata Police log. Thanks for reminding me!

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:18 (twenty-two years ago)

http://fargo.itp.tsoa.nyu.edu/~pwv203/hotsprings/fales.jpg

Bridgeport Hot Springs

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:20 (twenty-two years ago)

You can ski until mid-May

http://www.quartzcity.net/~chris/blogpicts/200305mammoth/downhill.jpg

(picture taken May 21 last year)

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:20 (twenty-two years ago)

When I was 10 I lived in Merced (Central Valley) for a year, it was a nice place to be at that age (except hella hot in the summer). There was a creek that ran through town that I could walk to. Not much water but still a fun place. It was largely by-passed by developers then because the 5 fwy didn't go through it. About 25,000 people then ('67 or so). I think A UC campus is being built in the area now, so it will surely grow, in fact, it's probably done a lot of growing since I left, I've never been back.

― nickn (nickn), Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:22 (twenty-two years ago)

We have a town called Weed

I already said that!

― luna (luna.c), Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Elk, CA (a few miles south of Mendocino):

http://www.greenwoodpierinn.com/views/aerial2.jpg

― Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:23 (twenty-two years ago)

CA Highway 108 over Sonora Pass. The best driving road anywhere

http://www.pashnit.com/pics/road3b/Highway108-Infrandom2b.jpg

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I already said that!

It needed mentioning again

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:24 (twenty-two years ago)

haha stoner.

― luna (luna.c), Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:25 (twenty-two years ago)

oh wait, that's me.

― luna (luna.c), Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:26 (twenty-two years ago)

http://malakoff.com/griron.jpg

Iron Door Saloon - Oldest Bar In California

108 over Sonora Pass=certain brake work needed

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Banner Peak and Thousand Island Lake in the Ansel Adams Wilderness

http://www.ecoland.ro/Webshots/Peisaje/Banner%20Peak%20and%20Thousand%20Island%20Lake,%20Ansel%20Adams%20Wilderness,%20California.jpg

Anza Borrego Desert State Park

http://www.anzaborrego.statepark.org/scenic.jpg http://www.imageassoc.net/Photo%20Gallery/images/Anza%20Borrego%20Morning.jpg

San Marcos Foothills

http://www.geog.ucsb.edu/photos/images_photos/san_marcos_foothills.jpg

Mt. Shasta

http://www02.so-net.ne.jp/~k_fujii/shasta..jpg

Zabriskie Point, Death Valley

http://neuro.caltech.edu/~fumiko/picts_dv.files/Zabriskie%20Point1.jpg

Lassen Volcanic National Park

http://www.terragalleria.com/images/np-pacific/lavo1497.jpeg

Hollywood Hills

http://www.zumsteg.info/usa2002/images/hollywood_hills.jpg

Joshua Tree National Park

http://www.cees.iupui.edu/project_images/California/2002_Fieldtrip/Group-Joshua-Tree.jpg

Fault action in a Palmdale Road Cut

http://pangea.stanford.edu/~eichhubl/SAFfieldtrip2000/Palmdale.jpg

(I'm not going near the beaches)

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:31 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.wolfcreekrestaurant.com/images/alpinehotelnowsmlopt.jpg

The Alpine Hotel/Cutthroat Saloon, Markleeville

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:35 (twenty-two years ago)

http://plantbio.berkeley.edu/~bruns/aifolder/bolinasocean.jpg

Bolinas from Mt. Tam

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:40 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.50states.com/californ.htm

― luna (luna.c), Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:41 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.lukecole.com/Roadside%20Attractions/World

Castroville!

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:45 (twenty-two years ago)

So what's good about California again? *hides*

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:51 (twenty-two years ago)

http://kuci.org/~nraggett/NedAlan.jpg

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:53 (twenty-two years ago)

didn't the Madonna Inn guy die recently? RIP.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:53 (twenty-two years ago)

What a wise person dean is.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I heart Bolinas. From http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/08.09.01/underbelly-0132.html

Mr. X (who insisted that his dog remain anonymous as well--we will call the pup Nipper) explained that parking was once so congested--in large part due to 40-foot Winnebagos--that a group of locals formed the Bolinas Border Patrol, whose stated mission was to tear down signs leading to Bolinas. This they did in the dead of night. The signs would then be dutifully replaced by the Highway Patrol--and the process would repeat. Finally, the Highway Patrol set up a camera and caught the scofflaws. At this point things got interesting. It is a federal offense to remove such signs, and the system was set to turn the screws on these stalwart young patriots. Fortunately, the town threw a benefit for the heroes and hired activist attorney J. Tony Serra (a Bolinian, and a story nigh unto himself), who not only won freedom for the scofflaws, but also finagled permission from the Federal Guvment to keep the signs down--permanently. All parties came to concordance that it is, indeed, not a good idea for people to go to Bolinas. The only signless town in America.

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought I wasn't supposed to go, supposed to go to Goleta. Or La Jolla.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:57 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.webcastro.com/pix/sign.gif

Bolinas can either be a gas or pain in the ass, but they've got good grass.

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 13 May 2004 18:05 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.coastalpost.com/smileys/pict2.gif

Smileys, Bolinas

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 13 May 2004 18:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't find a good representative photo of Gilroy and Garlic!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 13 May 2004 18:07 (twenty-two years ago)

nobody gets my joke. : (

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 13 May 2004 18:09 (twenty-two years ago)

The Gilroy experience is hard to capture photographically.

― Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Thursday, 13 May 2004 18:11 (twenty-two years ago)

hstencil,

Where's Goleta?

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 13 May 2004 18:12 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.visionflow.net/friends/gilroy/garlic.jpg

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 13 May 2004 18:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't find a good representative photo of Gilroy and Garlic!

http://catcode.com/oly_2000/gilroy99/bulbguy.jpg

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 13 May 2004 18:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Baby, don't ya go, don't ya go to Goleta

I've been there and I've seen them drinkin' now
Thinkin' all the time that they're going to school
Well, maybe some day they might learn something
But being fascist rich kids just ain't cool

Baby don't ya go, don't ya go into Westwood

I've been there and I've seen the styles they wear
Their haircuts down to their clean white shoes
Don't you know baby, that it's all a facade,ya know
Intelligence is not something you should avoid

Baby don't ya go, don't ya go to La Jolla
I've been there and I've seen their attitude
They don't like folks who are not like them
Maybe someday they'll take a vacation, like some flight over to Europe to take a nice cruise in the Mediterranean, but it's very likely that on the way over they'd be hijacked by some terrorist group seeking media approval, they'd be in a really bad situation, in danger of their lives, but they'd be thinking "They can't do this to me, I'm an American Citizen"

Babe, why don't ya go, why don't ya go somewhere else?

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 13 May 2004 18:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Goleta is home to legendary punk rock venue/ recording studio The Living Room!!!

― Pablo Cruise (chaki), Thursday, 13 May 2004 18:18 (twenty-two years ago)

goleta = ucsb
westwooed = ucla
la jolla = ucsd

CBV = santa cruz = ucsc

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 13 May 2004 18:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Mini van Gogh?

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 13 May 2004 18:19 (twenty-two years ago)

haha = westwooed + CBV = gygax! is typing on the phone.

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 13 May 2004 18:21 (twenty-two years ago)

There are some stupidly hottt women who live in that state. Yum.

― Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Thursday, 13 May 2004 18:29 (twenty-two years ago)

"some"?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 13 May 2004 18:30 (twenty-two years ago)

stupidly hottt women

especially in the valley!

― stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 13 May 2004 18:30 (twenty-two years ago)

also hstencil, that song reminds me of a paragraph in pynchon's vineland... i forget which was written first, but the comparison is pretty uncanny.

xpost: like, oh my gawd!

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 13 May 2004 18:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Je4nne,

You should come dine at The Public here in SF. Good food and 80% of the staff are delectable sapphic hotties.

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 13 May 2004 18:33 (twenty-two years ago)

stupidly hottt women
especially in the valley!

hell yah! check out Miss Van Nuys 1960!
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics28/00033927.jpg

while we're at it, let's give a big shout out to the Camarillo Outlet Mall!!!

― Pablo Cruise (chaki), Thursday, 13 May 2004 18:34 (twenty-two years ago)

CBV != CVB

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Thursday, 13 May 2004 18:34 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah it's crazy how many dimes there are in CA.

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 13 May 2004 18:37 (twenty-two years ago)

OXNARD w00t!

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 13 May 2004 18:41 (twenty-two years ago)

holy crap, the girls at the Public are so amazingly beautiful

― JaXoN (JasonD), Thursday, 13 May 2004 18:41 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah it's crazy how many dimes there are in CA.

http://www.donmega.com/nwa/nwa64.jpg

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 13 May 2004 18:43 (twenty-two years ago)

California is more absorbant than the average state.

― Aimless (Aimless), Thursday, 13 May 2004 18:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Wow, that mushroom cloud in the picture upthread happened on my birthday!

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 13 May 2004 18:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Camarillo outlet mall VS. Oxnard outlet mall - FITE!

― nickn (nickn), Thursday, 13 May 2004 20:12 (twenty-two years ago)

vs. Gilroy vs. Petaluma vs. Santa Maria = OUTLET MALL BATTLE ROYALE

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 13 May 2004 20:15 (twenty-two years ago)

What about Napa and St. Helena. These two could be valuable strategic allies, gygax!

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 13 May 2004 20:24 (twenty-two years ago)

there needs to be a thread for Coalinga for sure.

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 13 May 2004 20:27 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.wine-club-central.com/images/Duckhorn.gif http://www.gangofpour.com/tastingnotes/pics/ridge_chard_op.jpg http://www.vintageassessments.com/images/np-mar-15-2003/joseph_phelps_2000_cab_sauv.jpg

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 13 May 2004 20:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I was just getting ready to make a post very similar to that, gabb!

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 13 May 2004 20:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Shouldn't we point out that we have a town called Weed again?

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 13 May 2004 21:02 (twenty-two years ago)

You also have towns called "Nice" and "Cool" according to my handy map highlighting adjectively named American cities.

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 13 May 2004 21:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Until we have a town called "Dude" we haven't arrived.

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 13 May 2004 21:04 (twenty-two years ago)

surely there needs to be a "Stoked" as well

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 13 May 2004 21:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Spiccoliville.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 13 May 2004 21:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm moving to LA in August!

― x Jeremy (Atila the Honeybun), Thursday, 13 May 2004 21:17 (twenty-two years ago)

"Drive north to the little town of Dude. Then cut over and stop at Weed. Continuing west through Cool, you can spend the night at Stoked." CSAA Summer 2004 Touring Guide

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 13 May 2004 21:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Remember to steer clear of the dreary town of Harsh and avoid Bummer at all costs and your road trip will be a success.

― Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 13 May 2004 21:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Camarillo outlet mall VS. Oxnard outlet mall - FITE!

Oxnard outlet mall is no more.

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Thursday, 13 May 2004 22:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas Announced

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 13 May 2004 22:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I drove by the Oxnard outlet mall the other day. The sign is still there at least and Camarillo totally KICKS ITS ASS i mean Oxnard is for like kitchenware and cowboy boots. Camarillo has ADDIDAS, PUMA, TIMBERLAND ETC!!

― Pablo Cruise (chaki), Thursday, 13 May 2004 22:52 (twenty-two years ago)

also, brillo

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 13 May 2004 23:02 (twenty-two years ago)

It is called the Oxnard Home and Lifestyle Center and they are changing the stores around to cater to home furnishings since obviously the whole outlet thing didn't work out for them. Also, I drove by there the other day too.

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Thursday, 13 May 2004 23:08 (twenty-two years ago)

i am jealous of you oxnard driving dudes.

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 13 May 2004 23:10 (twenty-two years ago)

i drove to seward in ventura went body surfing and ate a duke burger. i really love ventura.

― Pablo Cruise (chaki), Thursday, 13 May 2004 23:13 (twenty-two years ago)

dude, i used to live off seaward (PIERPONT RATS LOCALS ONLY) for 1 year (before i moved up here). hanover lane. the locals called it "Hangover Lane".

duke's is good... joannafina's across the street has really great tamales... whenever i drive through on 101 i buy about 20 and freeze them.

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 13 May 2004 23:15 (twenty-two years ago)

i had a nice 2BD/1BA for $650/mo mere steps away from the sand... :_(

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 13 May 2004 23:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Lassen Park was a favorite when I lived in NoCal because it was always deserted. (Least-visited national park in the US) Don't drink the water in Ono and Igo, I think there's some leftover buzz-harsh from old uranium mining operations. Mount Shasta City lost points when Willy's Bavarian Kitchen closed down.

― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 13 May 2004 23:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Ojai can be fun if you're crazy and a recluse.

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Thursday, 13 May 2004 23:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I want to live in one of those PCH-straddling burgs between Ventura and Montecito when I'm a crazy recluse. Solimar! Mussel Shoals! Rincon!

― nickn (nickn), Thursday, 13 May 2004 23:44 (twenty-two years ago)

When I'm a crazy recluse, I plan on living in the Santa Claus at Santa Claus Lane in Carpinteria.

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Thursday, 13 May 2004 23:47 (twenty-two years ago)

What's the name of the place where you cook your own steaks in Carpenteria... I miss that place.

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 13 May 2004 23:49 (twenty-two years ago)

The beach? ;)

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Thursday, 13 May 2004 23:50 (twenty-two years ago)

fukka, don't make me google... (it's too late!!!)

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 13 May 2004 23:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Google sez: The Palms restaurant.

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Thursday, 13 May 2004 23:51 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.lindenavenue.com/imx/l/04/444.jpg

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Thursday, 13 May 2004 23:52 (twenty-two years ago)

xpost: The Palms

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 13 May 2004 23:52 (twenty-two years ago)

I've never been. The cook-your-own seafood sounds dangerous.

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Thursday, 13 May 2004 23:53 (twenty-two years ago)

The seafood came cooked. They have (had?) 9oz. rib-eye steaks with salad bar and soda bar for $5.95. I would take black pepper from the salad bar and encrust my steak prior to throwing it on the grill... yum.

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 13 May 2004 23:58 (twenty-two years ago)

That sounds cool. Is there a nice view?

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Friday, 14 May 2004 00:18 (twenty-two years ago)

no, it's indoors... a converted hotel, so there are like all these dining room/nooks. i remember it was kind of dark. but for the view it's only one block from THE WORLD'S SAFEST BEACH.

― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 14 May 2004 00:23 (twenty-two years ago)

The Santa Claus there was taken down a few years ago, it was falling apart and the businesses there thought it looked tacky (even if restored). They're looked to be more upscale. I think it got moved to a private property in Oxnard for possible restoration.

― nickn (nickn), Friday, 14 May 2004 00:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I know. It's on the northside of the 101 by the Rice exit. I will find it wherever it is and move it back to its home. I will live inside it because we belong together.

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Friday, 14 May 2004 00:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I want to live in this place (also on Santa Claus Lane).

http://photos.sb-outdoors.org/Santa-Claus-1999/santa_claus050?full=1

and if that doesn't work click here.

― nickn (nickn), Friday, 14 May 2004 00:52 (twenty-two years ago)

We'll do it. We'll need rifles and good tunes.

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Friday, 14 May 2004 00:56 (twenty-two years ago)

And a harem.

― nickn (nickn), Friday, 14 May 2004 01:11 (twenty-two years ago)

it has a very good restaurant in sf by the name of PPQ

― ron (ron), Friday, 14 May 2004 15:20 (twenty-two years ago)

and a kooky girl in the castro raising money for a soup kitchen who talks gobbledygook and is really cute

― ron in sf (ron), Friday, 14 May 2004 15:22 (twenty-two years ago)

five months pass...
So we are looking to go on a roadtrip for a night or two over Thanksgiving weekend. I know this is a shitty time of year to be on the road, but can anyone recommend any destinations or routes? I guess we want nature and/or weirdness and/or food and no crowds (maybe no people at all?).

Oh, this would be Northern California, by the way. I guess we are looking at heading either North or East from the Bay because we drive South too often...

― adam... (nordicskilla), Monday, 8 November 2004 16:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Places we were considering: Point Reyes, Monolake, Bodie.

I'm not from around here. Are these places:

a)going to be crowded or closed
b)not good for winter
c)too far?
d)not worth the trip

― adam... (nordicskilla), Monday, 8 November 2004 16:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Also I've never been to Tahoe, but I'm guessing that Tahoe is out of the question.

― adam... (nordicskilla), Monday, 8 November 2004 16:35 (twenty-one years ago)

i never went to tahoe either, in the end. i might be back in SF early next year. but im no longer sure i like california

― *@*.* (gareth), Monday, 8 November 2004 16:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Aw, but we like you.

Point Reyes is lovely -- was just talking to a friend about it the other day -- but it's been years since I've been there, and it was for day hikes rather than simply staying about.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 8 November 2004 16:39 (twenty-one years ago)

WHY? :(

xpost

― adam... (nordicskilla), Monday, 8 November 2004 16:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm so in love with California at the moment. Seriously. It's amazing what a change of employment situation can do for one's mood!

― adam... (nordicskilla), Monday, 8 November 2004 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)

120 through Tioga is closed, adam, so to get to the East Side of the Sierras, your best bet is 50 to 89 to 395 which is a fun drive actually. Bodie is interesting. Mono Lake is very cool and the food at the gas station (I kid you not) outside of Lee Vining has improved that town's culinary choices immeasurably. However, if you are talking about doing this over a weekend, you're talking about almost non-stop driving.

― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 8 November 2004 17:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I understand that this is a lot of driving. I was hoping that the drive itself would be the attraction. You know, in the grand American tradition.

― adam... (nordicskilla), Monday, 8 November 2004 17:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Any more suggestions? Give up your secrets, folks!

― adam... (nordicskilla), Monday, 8 November 2004 17:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I assume you've been south on the coast. Have you been up to Jenner? Done the Russian River?

― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 8 November 2004 17:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I have been South on the coast more times than I can count this year. It is beautiful and I am tempted to do it again, but it's probably time I saw something else. I do not know of this Jenner nor this Russian River! Tell me more!

― adam... (nordicskilla), Monday, 8 November 2004 17:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Rivers=good!

― adam... (nordicskilla), Monday, 8 November 2004 17:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Take Hwy 1 From Mill Valley down to Muir Beach and drive north. There's a kitschy English pub at Muir Beach called the Pelican Inn if you need a pint or a cup of tea. Continue north through Stinson Beach. Stop, if the fancy takes you, to visit The People's Republic of Bolinas. Continue north through Olema and stop at Pt. Reyes. Further north still is Bodega Bay of 'The Birds' infamy though I prefer the inland town of Bodega. When you get to Jenner turn right on 116 and you'll be going along the Russian River with little towns like Monte Rio and bigger ones like Gurneville. Very cute and very NoCal. Continuing along you'll get to 101 at Santa Rosa and you can cruise down to 580 at Larkspur Landing and over the Richmond Bridge to the Beast.

― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 8 November 2004 17:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Sounds great!

― adam... (nordicskilla), Monday, 8 November 2004 18:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Parts of Northern Marin and Sonoma remind me vaguely of Scotland or the North York Moors. Much of the land east of you as you drive north of, say, Olema, is dairy land owned in huge parcels by Italian and Portuguese families that have been there since before the end of the 19th century. I've never been to Gurneville in the winter but it's a little gay mecca in the summer.

― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 8 November 2004 19:05 (twenty-one years ago)

The drive along the Russian River is the most beautiful drive in the universe.

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 8 November 2004 19:18 (twenty-one years ago)

jenner is the place I was telling you about where the people got killed on the beach. It is the crime capital of California! (not really). The beaches up there are amazing.

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 8 November 2004 19:19 (twenty-one years ago)

See, adam, I spoke unanimously. Gygax, where did you go on your trip?

― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 8 November 2004 19:21 (twenty-one years ago)

welcome back, gygax!

― adam... (nordicskilla), Monday, 8 November 2004 19:22 (twenty-one years ago)

i took a road trip around california. it was very refreshing aside from all the driving.

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 8 November 2004 19:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Welcome back.

― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 8 November 2004 19:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I love to drive!

― adam... (nordicskilla), Monday, 8 November 2004 19:43 (twenty-one years ago)

It's nowhere near Leeds!

― Simon Green (fatmancunian), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 00:58 (twenty-one years ago)

You know Smithy and Rio have been programmed to wreak havoc at ManYoo, right?

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 01:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Just like Cantona?

― Simon Green (fatmancunian), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 01:01 (twenty-one years ago)

adam does this road trip have anything to do with seeing a certain payne movie?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 01:02 (twenty-one years ago)

hahaha! s1ocki, no, it is just a coincidence. That said, can anyone recommend a winery in sononononomamamamama county?

― adam... (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 18:08 (twenty-one years ago)

er, the entire county. just drive around.

― Orbit (Orbit), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 18:25 (twenty-one years ago)

thanks again.

― adam... (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 18:27 (twenty-one years ago)

after you pass through the town sonoma, head towards anderson valley... that is where the best vineyards are.

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 18:32 (twenty-one years ago)

thanks for droppin' some grape science!

― adam... (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 18:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Luna is a nice vineyard. When you get there, you can stop at the tourist info place and get a vineyard map-they are free. I always like going to Korbel in the Russian River Valley because they have a nice tour. Luna has great wine.

― Orbit (Orbit), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 18:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I am looking to spread some British wealth.

― adam... (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 18:39 (twenty-one years ago)

"No secs please, we're British."

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 18:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Pick me up a copy of the Anderson Valley Advertiser too.

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 18:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Their escort ads are a treat.

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 18:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Mt. Shasta vs Mt. Diablo vs Mt. "Tam"

Say something nice about Mendocino.

― adam... (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 18:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I do not like mountain bikes.

― adam... (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 18:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Having gone to Tamalpais Union High School, I am slightly biased.

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 18:52 (twenty-one years ago)

And actually while you are at Korbel they have a 1998 reserve zinfandel that is fantastic.

― Orbit (Orbit), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 18:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Aaah yes, "zin".

― adam... (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 18:53 (twenty-one years ago)

You zinful, zinful man.

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 18:56 (twenty-one years ago)

explain reserve.

― adam... (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 22:45 (twenty-one years ago)

'the good stuff'

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 22:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Sounds like my kind of thing.

― adam... (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 22:49 (twenty-one years ago)

reserve= kept away from mere mortals for aging and alchemy

― Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 01:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Dudes, that was such a fun awesome trip! Maybe the best that I have taken since moving here. Thanks to gygax and Michael and Orbit and (I guess!) Kyle, all of whose advice we took.

We did Berkeley--->Muir Beach--->Inverness---->Drake's Beach----->Point Reyes Lighthouse---->Bodega Bay----->Jenner----->Monte Rio------>Guerneville--->Sonoma------>Berkeley

It was great! The first day was more or less wandering around on beaches and taking photographs and driving and listening to house music. We didn't book anywhere to stay and started to freak out when it got dark really early and we were still coming back off of Point Reyes and tried Bodega Bay and everywhere was booked up (or waaaaaay too expensive). We tried Jenner and it was dark and Sarah started to freak out when I told her about the people who died there. We eventually pulled into Monte Rio and lucked out on this CHEAP but GREAT motel/inn and got like a suite for $80 which was really nice, we even had two tvs so I could stay up all night watching Bond films and VH1. And then it started to rain and we found this amazing place right on the Russian River for dinner and it was like stumbling into paradise. We stuffed ourselves full of wine and cheese and I had crab and shrimp and champagne until I felt sick. Then the next day was just beautifully sunny and we had breakfast out on the River and the motel had this really cute kitten that I fed some butter to. Then we drove back out to Jenner/Goat Rock and watched the waves and listened to Roll Deep. Then we drove back along the river and went to Korbel and bought a bottle for ourselves and a whole bunch of NorCal swanky deli food to send over to my parents. Then we had fat sandwiches and drank Korbel Sec under the redwoods. Then we drove out to Glen Ellen and it just so happened that there was a special event on where you pay $20 and they give you a commemorative glass and you can visit EVERY winery in the valley for unlimited tastings! It was crazy! I'm still a little crunked! We went to about 6 or 7 wineries and they were all packed and we tried as much wine as we could and it was like gatecrashing party after party. And then we drove home.

― adam... (nordicskilla), Sunday, 28 November 2004 02:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm glad you had fun! Korbel Sec is my favorite low-end champagne, your picnic sounds wonderful!

― Orbit (Orbit), Sunday, 28 November 2004 02:39 (twenty-one years ago)

It was!

― adam... (nordicskilla), Sunday, 28 November 2004 18:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I think that sometime I would like to go up to Mendocino and Humboldt county. And another time I would like to go into the DESERT.

― adam... (nordicskilla), Monday, 29 November 2004 20:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Sounds fun adam. Wait for the spring wildflowers before venturing into the desert.

― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 29 November 2004 20:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Hello. Are you back or posting from Paris? Is/was it fun?

― adam... (nordicskilla), Monday, 29 November 2004 20:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I am, alas, back. It was fun but cold as a mofo.

― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 29 November 2004 20:16 (twenty-one years ago)

five months pass...
im interested in inland california, everyone hates bakersfield and fresno, right? what about barstow, what about modesto? then i guess north of sacramento its different again, so basically that central valley. is there anything worthwhile in it?

― charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 23 May 2005 10:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know about what charltonlido's asking, but CA's got Mono Lake, Monterey, Ned, babyalive, and Spencer.

― Ian Riese-Moraine is on toffuti break! (Eastern Mantra), Monday, 23 May 2005 11:09 (twenty-one years ago)

No, there's nothing worthwhile in the central valley.

But then, anyone from the coast would say that.

― mikef-who-mostly-lurks (mfleming), Monday, 23 May 2005 16:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I think Chico is the only interesting mid-Cali town, and that's because it's mainly a college town.. it's not unlike, say, Moscow, Idaho, or Lawrence, Kansas, or Flagstaff, Arizona.

Barstow is a place you take a dump on your way from L.A. to Vegas/Grand Canyon or back.

Baker is much tinier, but has far more going for it (which speaks sadly of Barstow). There's at least the BUN BOY(!) motel, the World's Largest Thermometer, and The Mad Greek, a great middle-of nowhere greek restaurant... Baker is only worth stopping in for mid-transit between L.A. and the Vegas though.

The best thing about an L.A./Vegas trip is ZZYZX Rd.!!!

http://www.ahajokes.com/cartoon/zzyzx.jpg

― donut debonair (donut), Monday, 23 May 2005 17:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I think Chico is the only interesting mid-Cali town,

Note: this was with the "Must be north of Sacto" qualification.

― donut debonair (donut), Monday, 23 May 2005 17:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Granted, Garberville, Ukiah, Dunsmuir, Shasta City, Weed, and Yreka are really pretty towns, mainly because they're in the Shastas.. but they're far too small to garner any motivation to go out of the way for.

Arcata is probably the most interesting smallish city north of Sacramento.. then again, Arcata might as well be the Pacific Northwest (and, surprise, it's also a college town.) It's just shy of the Oregon border anyway... (Eureka and Crescent City are total dumps, unfortunately)

― donut debonair (donut), Monday, 23 May 2005 17:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Bakersfield has a (shit)kickin' country scene.

I like Chinese Camp.

What about San Louis Obispo? Mono lake?

Arcata has many fine homegrown rap acts and much fine homegrown, you can borrow my Murder Dog 10th anniversary CD as a reference

― the black hand, Monday, 23 May 2005 17:26 (twenty-one years ago)

(ok, Ukiah is not in the Shastas.. I added that after the fact.. oops.)

(Also, Sebastopol and Guerneville are nice little towns north of SF, too... driving through the vineyards of Sonoma, Napa, and Solano counties makes for a nice day trip.)

― donut debonair (donut), Monday, 23 May 2005 17:27 (twenty-one years ago)

As far as stuff along I-395 (i.e. eastern California), I've done that drive pretty much south of Lake Tahoe ... (oooh! another perfect place to visit north of Sacto)... there's really not that much for towns, but it's a really pretty drive. Susanville is ok.. I had to stay there one time on my way to Reno.. lots of Chinese restaurants there.

When you start to cut over west, Bishop is a nice town.. the little towns near Mt. Whitney are pretty, too.

― donut debonair (donut), Monday, 23 May 2005 17:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh yes, if you haven't done Marin Headlands-Inverness-Point Reyes-Bodega Bay-Jenner-Guerneville-Central Sonoma, you must, but is that the question, it certainly doesn't look like it is

― the black hand, Monday, 23 May 2005 17:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Fresno/Modesto/Bakersfield are pretty red-neck/WalMart intensive. Not much in the way of modern culture, most of the great things about these towns are buried deep in their history and now remain colorless sub-suburban/aggieburgs.

That said, there are some great restaurants (eg, Harris Ranch), and some absolutely fantastic thrifting to be done (vintage clothing/furniture).

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(Adam, gareth seems to be asking more about interior/"east california" as Kim Wild sang) notsomuch coastal.)

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 23 May 2005 17:32 (twenty-one years ago)

The best thing about an L.A./Vegas trip is ZZYZX Rd.!!!

yes yes yes hell yes!

The Mad Greek, a great middle-of nowhere greek restaurant...

chris and i ate there ("ate" = "had a piece of baklava and some cold drinks")! also, you must see the movie play it to the bone if you haven't already.

what about modesto?

modesto is trash. but there's a great burger joint there.

― cindy williams permafrost (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 23 May 2005 17:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Mad Dog in the Fog

― Andre Dawson (deangulberry), Monday, 23 May 2005 17:35 (twenty-one years ago)

try to stop off in Tracy, where you can see the new building Frank Gehry designed for the Pitchforkmedia Christian Nation cable network, it's only a block from the beautiful victorian that also served as birthplace for Noel Coward (inventor of the rice cooker). there's also a kosher hot dog stand that doubles as a postproduction facility (all the CGI for Monster In Law was done right here)

― the black hand, Monday, 23 May 2005 17:37 (twenty-one years ago)

SALINAS REPRESENT!! i was just there on friday. i went to Wienerschnitzel

― [that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Monday, 23 May 2005 17:37 (twenty-one years ago)

the Pitchforkmedia Christian Nation cable network

nothing but sufjan stevens 24 hours a day!

― cindy williams permafrost (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 23 May 2005 17:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I want to like Salinas. I've tried (as I've actually stayed at La Casa De Raggett on the way to/from SF/L.A. or Seattle many a time). I just couldn't find anything interesting, aside from the various museams and monuments and Steinbeck memorabilia.

Soledad is an interesting place to stop, though, in the Salinas valley. It's really tiny, but -- in the right weather, partly cloudy -- it's incredibly beautiful.

― donut debonair (donut), Monday, 23 May 2005 17:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I like how no one has mentioned Stockton.

(Earnestly.. that place sucks)

― donut debonair (donut), Monday, 23 May 2005 17:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Salinas is the Oxnard of the north.

Has anyone been following this new UC Modesto? I didnt even knew it existed until I read that its opening up next year with like 500 students/guinea pigs.

― Actor Sizemore fails drug test with fake penis (jingleberries), Monday, 23 May 2005 17:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Isn't there a UC Merced? Or was that one of the proposed sites of the new UC but it switched over to Modesto?

― donut debonair (donut), Monday, 23 May 2005 17:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Anyway, Modesto is smack dab in the middle of Stanislaus county, and -- while you get guys like Grandaddy that do very unassaultive plaintive rock pop, you get guys like THE SCARIEST LOOKING CRIMINAL EVER.

― donut debonair (donut), Monday, 23 May 2005 17:56 (twenty-one years ago)

UC Modesto?

will there be a class in "how to kill your pregnant wife"?

― cindy williams permafrost (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 23 May 2005 17:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, but you have to complete Woodwork and Fishing 101s before you can take it.

― the black hand, Monday, 23 May 2005 17:58 (twenty-one years ago)

there's really nothing to like about Salinas. the wife grew up there so we go to visit the inlaws pretty regularly. i catch up on my sleep and my MTV Jams

― [that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Monday, 23 May 2005 18:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Isn't Yosemite considered inland? And Death Valley. These are must-sees if you're exploring the inland areas. No mention of them so far. The new UC is in Merced, but probably is not worth seeing at this point. I lived in Merced for a year in the 60s and it was a pleasant town, by-passed by the major freeway kept it nice. Wasn't Modesto the inspiration for George Lucas's American Graffiti? Worth it for that alone. The Bakersfield area has many Basque restaurants, but Chris and Jody can probably give more info on those.

― nickn (nickn), Monday, 23 May 2005 18:24 (twenty-one years ago)

yea, i know about yosemite and death valley, but i was kind of interested in those towns between LA and sacramento (the ones everyone is talking about here), that central valley that seems to be uniformly unpopular, theres something fascinating about there. ive been to sacramento and LA, but inbetween just seems kind of weird (but i dont know much about it)

it seems a strange place, because it seems that there are so many wonderful things in every direction, but that tose towns themselves ddont really have anything (i did get this feeling about sacramento itself, sandwiched between sanfrancisco and sierra nevada, but being neither)

― charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 23 May 2005 18:32 (twenty-one years ago)

bodie

― the black hand, Monday, 23 May 2005 18:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Gareth, sadly gygax is otm here, Fresno/Modesto/Bakersfield are pretty red-neck/WalMart intensive. To paraphrase Stein's old dig at Oakland, there's just no there there.

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― M. White (Miguelito), Monday, 23 May 2005 18:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Stein was full of shit, that's why she died

― the black hand, Monday, 23 May 2005 18:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Where did you end up on Sat? I tried to call you.

― M. White (Miguelito), Monday, 23 May 2005 18:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I had to go home and take care of a friend who had shat himself.

― the black hand, Monday, 23 May 2005 18:46 (twenty-one years ago)

!?!?

― M. White (Miguelito), Monday, 23 May 2005 18:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Ironically, I ended up in Oakland for dinner.

― M. White (Miguelito), Monday, 23 May 2005 18:48 (twenty-one years ago)

modesto is interesting in that it spawned grandaddy, fiver, built like alaska, and probably some other bands that sound exactly like them and know each other. but other than that, no, the central valley is not very interesting, from the time I've spent it it. also. stockton smells like cowshit.

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 23 May 2005 18:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I join in the general 'uh, anyway' reaction re: Salinas. Then again I'm a smugfuck who sticks to Carmel, Monterey, Pebble Beach and Big Sur whenever I go home (and for good reason!).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 23 May 2005 19:02 (twenty-one years ago)

!?!?

Not because of the result, he is a casual Spurs supporter.

― the black hand, Monday, 23 May 2005 19:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I saw this on TV once and looks worthy of investigation.

Forestiere Underground Gardens

Also, if you're interested in architecture, Gebhard & Winter's Guide to Southern California Architecture and the NoCal equivalent are good sources. They cover all of California.

― nickn (nickn), Monday, 23 May 2005 19:10 (twenty-one years ago)

"Mad Dog in the Fog"

Haha did you guys show up? Adam didn't tell me that there was a cover until that morning (clever duck) and then we found out it was TWENTY dollars when we got there. So I hope you didn't come there and then find that out and then get pissed at us (cuz seriously I had no idea.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 23 May 2005 19:14 (twenty-one years ago)

We actually woke up at 6 AM and tried to rally towards heading out to the Dog, but we were way too tired. All of that walking and drinking had caught up with us. We stopped by later in the day and I saw a sad little Man U towel in the gutter. I shed a single tear.

― madd dogg in tha fogg (deangulberry), Monday, 23 May 2005 19:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Hahaha it were sad times.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 23 May 2005 19:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I was wrong. Its UC Merced. ALL HAIL:

http://www.ucmerced.net/Nov04/ucmnov04A.jpg

― Actor Sizemore fails drug test with fake penis (jingleberries), Monday, 23 May 2005 19:34 (twenty-one years ago)

UC COW DUNG

― madd dogg in tha fogg (deangulberry), Monday, 23 May 2005 19:40 (twenty-one years ago)

It's gorgeous because you can't smell it.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 23 May 2005 19:42 (twenty-one years ago)

UC Suicide

― donut debonair (donut), Monday, 23 May 2005 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I love all the housing being provided for the students.

― donut debonair (donut), Monday, 23 May 2005 19:53 (twenty-one years ago)

You make it seem like the algae-choked pond is a bad thing.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 23 May 2005 19:55 (twenty-one years ago)

"Mom! Dad! I made it to a higher institution. Finally! What do ya think?"

"Oh, it's fabulous.. honey, do you know where the rest room is?"

"Oh yeah! just drive 2 miles down to the brown pond..."

― donut debonair (donut), Monday, 23 May 2005 19:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I will surmise that a number of local peoples interested in working in nearby logging concerns, Nat'l Forests, and Nat'l Parks will attend.

― M. White (Miguelito), Monday, 23 May 2005 20:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Dammit, White, always having to insert reality to make things less fun.

― donut debonair (donut), Monday, 23 May 2005 20:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Those are precisely the people most comfortable relieving themselves in brown ponds.

― M. White (Miguelito), Monday, 23 May 2005 20:29 (twenty-one years ago)

MERCED ROX U R ALL GAY!!!

― nickn (nickn), Monday, 23 May 2005 21:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I was wondering if the hippies would be interested in taking over some school in a remote part of the state, but then I forgot that the hippies would never leave fortress santa cruz.

― Actor Sizemore fails drug test with fake penis (jingleberries), Monday, 23 May 2005 21:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Silly fratty, real hippies don't go to school.

― madd dogg in tha fogg (deangulberry), Monday, 23 May 2005 21:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I am going to the Santa Barbera this weekend. I have been before. Once it was peaceful and quiet and clean. The other time it was full of students shouting.

I should ask for any recommendations but I suspect that there is no edge to SB at all and that I will just lie on the beach and read. Which is fine.

But anyway...

― the black hand, Wednesday, 25 May 2005 20:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmm...well, if you're lucky most of the students will have left for other spots so it might be quiet. There is, in fact, no edge to SB -- and this is the point of the place.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 20:53 (twenty-one years ago)

That's sort of what I was hoping.

― the black hand, Wednesday, 25 May 2005 20:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Is Santa Barbera were Fred and Wilma go on vacation?

― ()ops (()()ps), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 20:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I am just looking for a quiet spot in which to turn one year older.

(it was a deliberate mispelling, btw)

― the black hand, Wednesday, 25 May 2005 20:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Santa BarbAra:

Cajun Kitchen for breakfast
Palazzio in nearby Montecito for jumbo italian dinners (order half-orders)
World-famous sea urchin gonads

UCSB, SBCC and Westmont are all located about 10 miles outside of SB. But where were you, State St. on a Thurs-Sat night?

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 20:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Mot only State St on a Thurs-Sat night but beyond a velvet rope with two teenaged Persian millionaires with an unquenchable lust for blonde freshamn girls!

― the black hand, Wednesday, 25 May 2005 21:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I CAN spell

― the black hand, Wednesday, 25 May 2005 21:03 (twenty-one years ago)

You should mot have problems with freshamn students in Santa Barbera.

― Community Cornerstone (deangulberry), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 21:03 (twenty-one years ago)

FACT: I have an unquenchable lust for sea urchin gonads!

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 21:05 (twenty-one years ago)

FACT: Gygax saw Pavement in 1992!

― Community Cornerstone (deangulberry), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 21:06 (twenty-one years ago)

put it on a t shirt

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― the black hand, Wednesday, 25 May 2005 21:07 (twenty-one years ago)

FACT: DeanGulberry likes NARDCORE

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 21:09 (twenty-one years ago)

That is not fact!

FACT: Gygax fawned over me while trying to get me drunk! At a bar!

― Community Cornerstone (deangulberry), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 21:11 (twenty-one years ago)

gareth, in between fresno and yosimite i suggest: coarsegold, oakhurst, bass lake and fish camp!

― charleston charge (chaki), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 21:12 (twenty-one years ago)

FACT: FACTS are not as useful as they used to be

xp - fish camp has great clouds

― the black hand, Wednesday, 25 May 2005 21:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Gareth, I recommend the annual Horned Toad Festival in Coalinga, CA.

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 21:14 (twenty-one years ago)

oakhurst has a great peddlers fair every year.

― charleston charge (chaki), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 21:15 (twenty-one years ago)

FACT: Dean looks almost exactly like a young Elvis Presley.

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 21:15 (twenty-one years ago)

TS: The 'Nard vs. The 'Tura vs. The 'Rillo vs. The Simi vs. The Moor vs. The 1k Oax0r vs. The 'Jai

― donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 21:16 (twenty-one years ago)

FACT: http://www.elvis.ro/galerie_foto1/elvis.ro_27.jpg

― Community Cornerstone (deangulberry), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 21:16 (twenty-one years ago)

like...'56 Elvis? A classic look

― the black hand, Wednesday, 25 May 2005 21:17 (twenty-one years ago)

http://ilx.p3r.net/searchresults.php?box=true&q=coalinga&board=1

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 21:17 (twenty-one years ago)

FACT: Coalinga was named as such due to a map proofer's error in reading "Coaling [station] A"

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 21:23 (twenty-one years ago)

FAXED: HEAD

― Community Cornerstone (deangulberry), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 21:24 (twenty-one years ago)

FACT: It is gygax's birthday in the next few weeks.

― the black hand, Wednesday, 25 May 2005 21:25 (twenty-one years ago)

he is going to be...even more OLD

― the black hand, Wednesday, 25 May 2005 21:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I've been to Coalinga... just because.

It was really empty. The downtown area is really tiny and quaint. It doesn't smell nearly as bad there as it does near that part of Interstate 5. I went to a supermarket there. There was one older hipster buying milk. Then that was it. 45 minutes out of my road trip time, in and out. Not worth it.

Happy B-day... hope to play craps with you this weekend in case me and my posse run into you Warriors style.

― donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 21:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh yeah, did I mention NED will be in Vegas this weekend?

Ned is the butterfly collector of unmet ilxors I hear.

― donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 21:29 (twenty-one years ago)

FACT: This weekend is the Annual Horned Toad Derby sponsored by the Coalinga Chamber of Commerce:

http://www.coalingachamber.com/derbyinfo.html

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 25 May 2005 21:33 (twenty-one years ago)

five months pass...
Where's Baldwin Park and how far is it from LA? Is it considered a suburb?

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 22:25 (twenty years ago)

It's off to the east, more or less between Pasadena and Pomona. And everything is a suburb in SoCal (this is not strictly true).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 22:36 (twenty years ago)

I'm going to be there for work next month (not sure if I'm actually working there or in L.A., Pasadena, or what). Do they have fish tacos in Baldwin Park?

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 22:38 (twenty years ago)

I'm guessing yes

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 22:38 (twenty years ago)

I'm going to be there for work next month

Translation: you FAP with us kthxbye.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 22:39 (twenty years ago)

Do you mean because it has Latitude: 34.08 N, Longitude: 117.97 W?

Actually that page gives the address of where I'll be working, thanks.

xpost

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 22:41 (twenty years ago)

I'd love to if I have the time, Ned, although I doubt I'll have a car.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 22:44 (twenty years ago)

MINOR DETAILS. (Actually I think you might be able to get into town using Metrolink -- http://www.metrolinktrains.com/ )

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 22:47 (twenty years ago)

davis

― stockholm cindy is in your extended network (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 22:50 (twenty years ago)

(And to follow up -- yup, Jordan, there's a Metrolink stop in Baldwin Park, so if you do have the time, it could be fun! But just let us know if it can happen.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 22:56 (twenty years ago)

Cool. Does Metrolink generally run late? Anyway, it's Dec. 2 - 7th, I'll post if it looks like I'll have some free time.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 23:00 (twenty years ago)

there is no wienerschnitzel chain store in sf...say what???you can always get a 24 hour transvitte burrito at larkin and post!!!

― Vacillating temp (Vacillating temp), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 00:04 (twenty years ago)

eleven months pass...
California Beaches: OPO (or one Northern and one Southern?)

Salinas is the Oxnard of the north

seriously?

also, Matilija Canyon: C or OK?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 26 October 2006 16:44 (nineteen years ago)

same question re: Carrizo, Pinnacles, Big Basin/Henry Cowell/Nisene Marks

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 26 October 2006 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

California Beaches OPO:

Northern: Point Reyes (West Marin County)
http://www.mikelevin.com/PointReyesLighthouse1024.jpg
*but big I have to mention Pebble Beach/Carmel... especially the day/night of Jaxon's wedding, one of the most gorgeous sunsets I've seen in California.

Central: Montana De Oro (San Luis Obispo)
http://image02.webshots.com/2/9/78/86/45597886Quoksj_ph.jpg

Southern: Swami's (Cardiff)
http://photos.bravenet.com/395/216/958/0/E85FC5547B.jpg

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 26 October 2006 17:12 (nineteen years ago)

but big I have to mention Pebble Beach/Carmel... especially the day/night of Jaxon's wedding, one of the most gorgeous sunsets I've seen in California

Sounds about right. :-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 26 October 2006 17:14 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.tinymixtapes.com/musicreviews/albumcovers/va-rrr-big.jpg

― Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 26 October 2006 17:16 (nineteen years ago)

i just wanna pick any spot on that hillside and fall asleep for a few decades.

― a woman playing the guitar is pretty (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 26 October 2006 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9gnMiZa_EBFMX0AA9yjzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG=126g5qelh/EXP=1161973210/**http%3a//lighthousegetaway.com/lights/CA/bonita2.jpg

Pont Bonita.

― M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 26 October 2006 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

Is montana de oro really all that, walking/hiking-wise?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 26 October 2006 17:22 (nineteen years ago)

no i made an effort to put it on my list merely as a ruse, you really must go to pismo and rent an ATV instead, dude!

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 26 October 2006 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

also, the elephant seal colony about 5 miles north of san simeon in mid-spring when the bulls are competing (ie, bludgeoning themselves to bits) over females is a must-see.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 26 October 2006 17:26 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.panoramafactory.net/albums/landscapes/Pigeon_Point_at_Dusk.sized.jpg

Pigeon Point.

― M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 26 October 2006 17:29 (nineteen years ago)

I don't appreciate your ruse! I had heard great things and then saw some pictures that seemed blah, but I will distrust my lying eyes.

Good to know about the seals too - I thought the wildlife phenomena were confined to other seasons.

Say you go to mavericks in that season - is there anything to see?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 26 October 2006 17:41 (nineteen years ago)

like, a wave?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 26 October 2006 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

mavericks breaks really far outside, bring your binoculars... and check the surf report.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 26 October 2006 18:00 (nineteen years ago)

Northern: Glass Beach at Ft. Bragg

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 26 October 2006 18:14 (nineteen years ago)

it's far away.

― not-goodwin (not-goodwin), Thursday, 26 October 2006 20:57 (nineteen years ago)

it's far away

It's a big state. You just have to deal...

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 26 October 2006 21:41 (nineteen years ago)

how about Refugio?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 27 October 2006 22:01 (nineteen years ago)

how about Refugio?

Too many UCSB drunkards

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Friday, 27 October 2006 22:03 (nineteen years ago)

how about at 11 AM?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 27 October 2006 22:04 (nineteen years ago)

two months pass...
tell me about randsburg (near barstow)

http://www.bodie.com/ looks good for a ghost town in a very intact state

― Storefront Church (688), Thursday, 11 January 2007 16:46 (nineteen years ago)

Bodie is great. Don't know Randsburg.

― M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 11 January 2007 16:50 (nineteen years ago)

randsburg is just off us highway 395 (which looks a great road)

― Storefront Church (688), Thursday, 11 January 2007 17:04 (nineteen years ago)

395 is a classic drive.

― M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 11 January 2007 17:05 (nineteen years ago)


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