Brian Clough RIP

Message Bookmarked

Bookmark Removed

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/3673568.stm

:-(

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Monday, 20 September 2004 12:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 20 September 2004 12:57 (twenty-one years ago)

saw him on TV a lot more in the last year than the previous five. looked a damn sight healthier than George Best, all things considered. let the avalanche of tributes begin...

― teh pow! (blueski), Monday, 20 September 2004 12:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Perhaps this will inspire Sultans of Ping to reform.

RIP.

― Peter Watts (peterw), Monday, 20 September 2004 13:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah I'd been thinking how much healthier he'd been looking really. Didn't even know he'd been ill.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 20 September 2004 13:00 (twenty-one years ago)

For shame. Even if he was a bit a arse in his latter years (cf blaming Liverpool fans drunkeness for Hillsborough)

― Dave B (daveb), Monday, 20 September 2004 13:08 (twenty-one years ago)

has anybody else heard that David Peace, who wrote those books about the Yorkshire Ripper (1974, 1974, 1977, 1980 - i think) and also about the miners strike (1984) , was planning a novel based on Clough's 44-day Leeds tenure?

― Peter Watts (peterw), Monday, 20 September 2004 13:10 (twenty-one years ago)

"For missing the target from there you want bloody shooting!"

I hope the Good Lord gets used to his new boss.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 20 September 2004 13:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh no, that is sad indeed. RIP

― PinXor (Pinkpanther), Monday, 20 September 2004 13:34 (twenty-one years ago)

BC - When I go to the bakers, what do I want?

Justin Fashanu - Bread, boss

BC - And if I go to the Butchers, what do I want?

JF - Meat boss?

BC - Right then. So what the bloody hell are you going to a gay nightclub?

Far better was his comment that if a player disagreed with his style of play, they sit down and talk about it for 20 minutes and eventually, they agree he (BC) was right.

― Dave B (daveb), Monday, 20 September 2004 13:38 (twenty-one years ago)

The genius of Brian Clough:

"For all his horses, knighthoods and championships, he hasn't got two of what I've got. And I don't mean balls!" Referring to Sir Alex Ferguson's failure to win two successive European Cups.

"If God had wanted us to play football in the clouds, he'd have put grass up there." On the importance of passing to feet.

"I can't even spell spaghetti never mind talk Italian. How could I tell an Italian to get the ball - he might grab mine." On the influx of foreign players.

"At last England have appointed a manager who speaks English better than the players." On the appointment of Sven Goran Eriksson as England manager.

"Anybody who can do anything in Leicester but make a jumper has got to be a genius." A tribute to Martin O'Neill.

"Stand up straight, get your shoulders back and get your hair cut." Advice for John McGovern at Hartlepool.

"I only ever hit Roy the once. He got up so I couldn't have hit him very hard." On dealing with Roy Keane.

"Don't send me flowers when I'm dead. If you like me, send them while I'm alive." After the operation which saved his life.

"Players lose you games, not tactics. There's so much crap talked about tactics by people who barely know how to win at dominoes." Reflecting on England's exit from Euro 2000.

"We talk about it for twenty minutes and then we decide I was right." On dealing with a player who disagrees.

Fucking Legend.

― azob, Monday, 20 September 2004 13:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Indisputedly great manager but I never liked Brian Clough and some of there are already several things on this thread reminding me why.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 20 September 2004 13:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Matt DC, as ever, OTM.

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 20 September 2004 13:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Fantasticlly talented player and manager; in non-footballing terms, I suspect he wasn't a very nice man at all - I think he was an old style leftish kind of guy who shared many of the prejudices of such old style lefty kind of guys.

― Dave B (daveb), Monday, 20 September 2004 13:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Incredible goal scoring record as a player. So bitter about not getting the England manager's job.

His quotes were in the papers again before the Poland game, all that clown business.

Never really liked him.

― MikeyG (MikeyG), Monday, 20 September 2004 14:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Last time I saw him 'in real life' (at Burton Albion) he was being a nice man, despite not being very well. He was pulling a young man's leg about being surrounded by young ladies. I suppose some people might consider that sexist or unpleasant, but it was actually quite nice, and perhaps his comments reported upthread should be taken in the same spirit.

Either that or ignored.

Or we can sit down and talk about it for twenty minutes and then decide I'm right.

He once wished my dad happy new year in mid-February.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 20 September 2004 15:15 (twenty-one years ago)

wait: you have left-wing football players??

― amateur!!st, Monday, 20 September 2004 15:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, but not left footed ones.

― MikeyG (MikeyG), Monday, 20 September 2004 15:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Michael Foot described him as one of the finest socialists he'd ever seen, and there were attempts to get him to stand for Labour in the 80s.

Also - Paul Breitner to thread, though he was a particularly moneygrabbing Maoist.

― Dave B (daveb), Monday, 20 September 2004 15:27 (twenty-one years ago)

alex ferguson is also a proper lefty. the all-time best fergie quote is when he told somebody he only need 4 hours sleep a night. 'ah, the same as margaret thatcher' said the interviewer,

'never compare me to that woman,' growled fergie.

plenty of parallels between AF and Clough.

― Peter Watts (peterw), Monday, 20 September 2004 15:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Pat Nevin too. And Graham Le Saux reads the Guardian. Even the new 60 pence version.

― MikeyG (MikeyG), Monday, 20 September 2004 15:30 (twenty-one years ago)

all of our sports heroes are like horatio alger venture capitalist types.

― amateur!!st, Monday, 20 September 2004 15:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Much as he was plainly full of old-fashioned prejudices, I loved him as a manager. I well remember when he took Forest from a poor second division (old money) team to promotion, and everyone was saying they'd struggle. He said they'd be in Europe next season, and I believed him, and adopted Forest as my second team. They won the league, then the European Cup the next year, and retained it the year after. He'd taken Derby from nothing much to win the league too - those achievements mean he has to rate as one of the all-time great managers.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 20 September 2004 15:41 (twenty-one years ago)

except for muhammad ali of course

xpost

― amateur!!st, Monday, 20 September 2004 15:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Muhammad Ali as the manager of Grimsby Town or something, that'd be a great movie.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 September 2004 15:45 (twenty-one years ago)

"blimey, i'm the greatest!"

― amateur!!st, Monday, 20 September 2004 15:47 (twenty-one years ago)

That is officially worse than me imitating the Pinefox.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 September 2004 15:47 (twenty-one years ago)

'Proper lefty'

― Dave B (daveb), Monday, 20 September 2004 15:50 (twenty-one years ago)

sad,

― adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 20 September 2004 15:52 (twenty-one years ago)

dave b, please no semantics. i wasn't making any kind of value judgment.

― Peter Watts (peterw), Monday, 20 September 2004 15:57 (twenty-one years ago)

:-(

i had mixed feelings about him. but it's still extremely sad.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 20 September 2004 16:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I wasn't bringing semantics into it; I just find it hard to see how the supposedly leftie Fergie, a man as red in tooth in claw if we're led to believe reports, doesn't have a scintilla of socialism when it comes to his club not redistributing wealth thoughout the game. The attitude of 'I'm a socialist, but I have a pass out to not actually bear witness to my principles in my job' doesn't wash.

As for Clough, as someone has said on another forum - kids from provincial cities didn't normally have the privelige of seeing their local club win 2 European Cups.

He was also a defining figure from an age - the sacking at Derby, the 44 days at leeds, coming back to Nottingham, being passed over for the England job - he was at the centre of the iconic moments of the football decade.

― Dave B (daveb), Monday, 20 September 2004 16:08 (twenty-one years ago)

The man was solid gold.

― Ally C (Ally C), Monday, 20 September 2004 16:14 (twenty-one years ago)

That's the World Cup.

― Dave B (daveb), Monday, 20 September 2004 16:20 (twenty-one years ago)

http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,1563,1308851,00.html

Resemblance - physical and otherwise - to a current Premiership manager?

― Japanese Giraffe (Japanese Giraffe), Monday, 20 September 2004 16:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know what you're talking about. I mean, when Clough started losing it and had red cheeks with blood vessels showing in it and a huge blotchy hooter, it was because he was an alcoholic.

― Dave B (daveb), Monday, 20 September 2004 16:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I meant Mourinho, who appears to be attempting to revive the Clough swagger on his own. I think he even looks a bit like him in that photo.

― Japanese Giraffe (Japanese Giraffe), Monday, 20 September 2004 16:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Funny Ali's name should come up. On the news report tonight
they showed them meeting. Then they cut to Ali ranting at a camera
saying " They say you're like me, they say you talk too much,
well now I'm saying Clough, Enough!" Quite unexpected.

― Bumfluff, Monday, 20 September 2004 17:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Stunning death - he was on Focus only a fortnight or so ago. What next, Mark Lawrenson RIP?

He was unique, a beacon of oddity and wit within football. Listening to the early autumnal radio tributes earlier, I found myself thinking that he'd been a great mind, a great thinker. But of course that can't be right - it's just the old 'socialist' claims that push me in that direction. I suppose he was a great mind in some other sense, made of intuition and ragged idiosyncrasy, fired by a self-belief that kept turning out to be justified. Like Dylan, in the movies.

― the pinefox, Monday, 20 September 2004 19:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I was talking on the phone to a friend about that Ali/Clough meeting. They showed it on On The Ball last year as part of a kind of a Clough pre-tribute, they must have known he was on his way out. Mourinho is but a Rob Schneider to Clough's Groucho Marx.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 20 September 2004 22:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Nice

Also nice

― Dave B (daveb), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 11:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I am surprised that this thread has received only 40 posts. This is the biggest footy departure I can remember in a long time.

― the pinefox, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 13:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I overdosed on Cloughy yesterday, listening to every tribute going

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 13:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I bought the paper specially. Actually I knew I wanted to buy a paper for some reason, but I couldn't remember what it was. It was Cloughie. I didn't know Peter Taylor had been manager of Burton Albion. Last night I planned to write my personal tribute to Brian Clough, bt today it doesn't seem like such a good idea.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 13:40 (twenty-one years ago)

You should send it to sinister, after you finish the post about Parakeet Place or wherever it was.

― the bellefox, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 13:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I think all managers should wear green tops as a tribute.

― MikeyG (MikeyG), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 14:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Coconut Grove. Good idea. I keep thinking about it.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 14:12 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...

Best football book cover ever?

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/0571224261.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

― Pete W (peterw), Monday, 24 April 2006 10:10 (twenty years ago)

I've just realised that Bill Murray needs to play Clough in the biopic.

― Alba (Alba), Monday, 24 April 2006 10:13 (twenty years ago)

OTMG!

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 24 April 2006 10:49 (twenty years ago)

It's a great book. Reading a preview copy. Clough was bats!

― Pete W (peterw), Monday, 24 April 2006 10:51 (twenty years ago)

I doubt Murray could do the accent. Perhaps Mike Yarwood could overdub for UK theatrical release.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 24 April 2006 10:53 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/41v+VOgErkL._SS500_.jpg

Worth getting? "The Damned Utd" is brilliant, btw.

― Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 09:45 (nineteen years ago)

'TDU' is extraordinary. Worried about the film version though.

― Pete W, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 09:50 (nineteen years ago)

Michael Sheen as Old Big 'Ead sounds like an excellent piece of casting, though.

― Neil S, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 09:55 (nineteen years ago)

That title is ironic considering Brian's use in rhyming slang.

― Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 10:00 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.2ndfunction.com/photoblog/images/20060127032110_ginger-beer.jpg

― Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 10:04 (nineteen years ago)

But, yeah, Blair and Clough in the same career, that's some resume.

― Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 10:04 (nineteen years ago)

I'd like them to stick to the parallel pre-Leeds/post-Leeds structure of the book - it would be so much weaker if told chronologically.

― Michael Jones, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 10:04 (nineteen years ago)

Blair, Clough, Williams, Frost! That's quite a forward line. Too much fannydangle from KW?

― Michael Jones, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 10:06 (nineteen years ago)

If you played Williams in the Del Piero role and had Clough as the traditional British/Vieri style number 9 position, you'd balance that out.

― Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 10:08 (nineteen years ago)

Can we stretch a complete XI out of Sheen's CV? Add Nero, Dylan Thomas and HG Wells. Is there room for the first two in the same midfield?

― Michael Jones, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 10:16 (nineteen years ago)

And let's not make any jokes about Art H0n3yman. He could go in goal, I suppose.

― Michael Jones, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 10:17 (nineteen years ago)

Oscar Wilde's lover Robert Ross could lay on some flicks in midfield, especially with HG Wells as the centrocampista to pick up loose balls.

― Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 10:20 (nineteen years ago)

I think I might have taped The Football Factory last night. Or perhaps that is tonight.

If they are making a film of this book, I hope it is good.

I hope it is better than "Ray".

I do not get the more esoteric sections of this thread.

Michael.

(I no longer have a verbal warning, by the way.)

― PJ Miller, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 10:21 (nineteen years ago)

(Yay! I think you won that battle, PJM. I am not going to apply for that job. Both NB and PB would kill me.)

I shouldn't have "shoved" AH in goal. He's the manager, obv.

― Michael Jones, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 10:25 (nineteen years ago)

This is one of the first threads I ever contributed to and was reprimanded by Dave B for incorrect application of the word 'lefty'. He no longer bothers.

― Pete W, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 10:25 (nineteen years ago)

QUESTIONS THAT NEED ANSWERING: as Derby manager, Clough gave free tickets to miners. How did he react to Nottingham's... relaxed response to the Miners Strike of 83?

― Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 10:29 (nineteen years ago)

Worried about the film version though

Why, Pete?

― Mark C, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 10:30 (nineteen years ago)

Because it has the potential to be total crap, I suppose. Are you "in on it", Markelby?

Derbys, or parts of it, had a relaxed attitude to the miners' strike too. It wasn't very realxing though. The UDMW was based in Swadlincote, and might still be for all I know. My dentist was over the road. I think Notts were out, weren't they? I certainly remember getting a COAL NOT DOLE sticker for my satchel from some working class types on the streets of Nottamun Town.

― PJ Miller, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 10:36 (nineteen years ago)

Mark C - simply cos I loved the book so much and worry that Frears/Sheen can have a lightness that verges on parody. I love Peace's internal monologue/staggered chronology and get the feeling this could focus too much on the period details and end up as a bit of a 'Life on Mars' with football. Also, cos we all know how Clough looks, speaks and acts, the book immediately becomes more real in our consciousness than even an impersonator as accomplished as Sheen can manage. Hope I'm wrong obv.

― Pete W, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 10:42 (nineteen years ago)

Notts miners came out and then scabbed after a fortnight, if I remember correctly.

― Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 10:51 (nineteen years ago)

The Nottingham branch of the NUM simply had the cheek to suggest that balloting members before launching a national strike that many considered doomed from the off might be a good idea. Scargill simply carried on regardless and tried to bounce every miner into taking part.

Hence the Nottingham NUM eventually split off to form the UDM, D standing for Democratic (a concept Arthur had little time for).

The amusing long-term concequence is that whenever Forest play in Yorkshire the opposing fans (many if whom weren't even born in 1984) launch into a series of amusing songs about hating scabs. To which the travelling Trickies (many of whom were also not born in 1984) respond with renditions of "We're scabs and we're proud of it" or the classic "Sign on, Sign on with a pen in your hand, and you'll never work again". Which is rather ironic as Heseltine's 1992 pit closures shafted Nottinghamshire just as much as everywhere else.

Further more, most of the Notts pits are in north of the county and most of the miners were Mansfield fans...

― Hello Sunshine, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 12:55 (nineteen years ago)

Have you read Peace's book on the strike, 'GB84'?

― Pete W, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 12:56 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah.. Good read, but it's hard for me to say whether it's accurate as I was only five at the time.

― Hello Sunshine, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 13:02 (nineteen years ago)

I didn't understand a word of it.

― Pete W, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 13:06 (nineteen years ago)

GB84 is so nearly a great book, except that at the end (as in several other of his books) Peace decides to turn it into Tales From The Crypt. I thought the gangster subplot silly and unnecessary and I don't approve of the main "villain" of the piece being called "the Jew."

The Damned Utd works better because of its smaller canvas. Basically it's a book about hating your job. In places it reminded me of Alan Clark's Diaries; the same belief that he should be running everything while at the same time making it perfectly clear why he wasn't. Difficult to view it as a tragedy, though, when you know he'll eventually get what and where he wants with the Forest.

I've had a preview copy of the new Peace book sent through, and have just started to read that.

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 13:23 (nineteen years ago)

Is that the serial killer one set in post-war Tokyo?

― Pete W, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 13:25 (nineteen years ago)

Yes - first part of the Tokyo Trilogy, though so far it looks like he's doing his best to turn Tokyo into Leeds.

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 13:25 (nineteen years ago)

And in other Brian Clough news, Home town erects Clough statue.

― Billy Dods, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 13:40 (nineteen years ago)

As regards the film of The Damned Utd, I believe John Giles has already indicated his displeasure as to how he's depicted in the book and may try and stop production of the film by legal means.

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 13:58 (nineteen years ago)

The Irishman. Never mentioned by name, is he?

― Pete W, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 14:00 (nineteen years ago)

You get "Giles" and "the Irishman" but I don't think you get both in the same sentence - very artful.

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 14:02 (nineteen years ago)

six months pass...

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/41v+VOgErkL._SS500_.jpg

In answer to my question up thread, this book _is_ amazing, and was named William Hill Sports Book of the Year yesterday.

― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 27 November 2007 09:32 (eighteen years ago)

five months pass...

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117984541.html?categoryid=13&cs=1&nid=2562

― Dom Passantino, Monday, 28 April 2008 15:43 (eighteen years ago)

"Dave Peace?"

― Dingbod Kesterson, Monday, 28 April 2008 15:44 (eighteen years ago)

Must say I prefer his Red Riding books to his Dance Anthems.

― Dingbod Kesterson, Monday, 28 April 2008 15:45 (eighteen years ago)

http://theboxset.com/images/reviewcaptures/1350cap001.jpg
"I was going to the worst place in the world, young man, and I didn't even know it yet"

― Ismael Klata, Monday, 28 April 2008 18:28 (eighteen years ago)

You've got Jim Broadbent, Timothy Spall and Colm Meaney on board, and Michael Sheen will play Clough?? Fuck that.

― Frogman Henry, Monday, 28 April 2008 22:38 (eighteen years ago)

Ok yes, he's currently the same age as Clough was in '74, but still.
Fair enough I over-emoted.

― Frogman Henry, Monday, 28 April 2008 22:44 (eighteen years ago)

one month passes...

Hmm.

― William Bloody Swygart, Friday, 20 June 2008 11:38 (seventeen years ago)

sheen isn't an actor, he's a frustrated (and average) impersonator.

― darraghmac, Friday, 20 June 2008 11:43 (seventeen years ago)

Colm Meaney as Don Revie.

ahahahahahaa

― MPx4A, Friday, 20 June 2008 11:44 (seventeen years ago)

Good choice IMO, I think Sheen is good.

― Neil S, Friday, 20 June 2008 11:45 (seventeen years ago)

I like how they're implying that the plot involves Clough being a little bit too abrasive with the poor gentle Leeds players, and that he just wanted to inject a little bit of panache into the team, as opposed to thinking they're a bunch of cheating scumbags

Also that Leeds are letting them use Elland Road to film it

― MPx4A, Friday, 20 June 2008 11:46 (seventeen years ago)

I thought Sheen was great in Frost/Nixon, little more than a caricaturist in The Queen. I like the premise of this though.

― Upt0eleven, Friday, 20 June 2008 11:51 (seventeen years ago)

He was excellent as Kenneth Williams too.

― Neil S, Friday, 20 June 2008 11:58 (seventeen years ago)

seven months pass...

― William Bloody Swygart, Tuesday, 27 January 2009 14:01 (seventeen years ago)

Colm Meaney as Don Revie

This is beyond perfect

― Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Tom D.), Tuesday, 27 January 2009 14:10 (seventeen years ago)

I came here to type nearly exactly the same thing.

Who's playing Johnny Giles?

― DJ Khaledonian Thistle (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 27 January 2009 14:11 (seventeen years ago)

Nearing the end of The Damned United now, what impresses me is how economical it is - how Peace resists the temptation to over-egg the caricature pudding. It'd be very easy for a film version to blow that.

― Matt DC, Tuesday, 27 January 2009 14:12 (seventeen years ago)

That trailer confirms my worst suspicions. It's like an episode of Jossey's Giants.

Sheen doesn't even do a very good impression of Clough.

Shudder.

― Pete W, Tuesday, 27 January 2009 14:19 (seventeen years ago)

is it me or does that film have a potentially bad "British MOVIE" feel to it? Also I am detecting a weird Irish traveller twang to the actor playing Clough's accent.

x-post exactly my impressions

― Local Garda, Tuesday, 27 January 2009 14:21 (seventeen years ago)

plus a general "life's many obstacles overcome after all!" feel...Clough was a pretty dark character.

― Local Garda, Tuesday, 27 January 2009 14:21 (seventeen years ago)

It's like an episode of Jossey's Giants.

a++ reference

― A Good Story (special guest stars mark bronson), Tuesday, 27 January 2009 14:22 (seventeen years ago)

He is a bit scrawny and camp for Clough, though Clough had a preening campy quality, but I'll reserve judgment

― Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Tom D.), Tuesday, 27 January 2009 14:22 (seventeen years ago)

Clough was more like Dr Smith from Land of the Giants camp than this guy's I dunno, 1 percentage of the red haired dude from Full Monty.

― Local Garda, Tuesday, 27 January 2009 14:25 (seventeen years ago)

Loads of it filmed at Saltergate (and indeed, the on-site production office got robbed). The outside of the baseball ground in the trailer was definitely there, some of the internals were too that I could see.

Looking forward to seeing this. Not sure of Spall as taylor though, not quite enough...panache.

― problem chimp (Porkpie), Tuesday, 27 January 2009 14:34 (seventeen years ago)

Yeah, Spall's hapless schlub routine would not fit Peter Taylor

― Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Tom D.), Tuesday, 27 January 2009 14:38 (seventeen years ago)

By contrast, the forthcoming TV version of the Red Riding Quartet is supposed to ripper.

― Pete W, Tuesday, 27 January 2009 14:41 (seventeen years ago)

i have heard otherwise...

― A Good Story (special guest stars mark bronson), Tuesday, 27 January 2009 14:42 (seventeen years ago)

He is a bit scrawny and camp for Clough, though Clough had a preening campy quality, but I'll reserve judgment

'Carry on Cloughie'

x-post

Really? Oh, disappointing.

― Pete W, Tuesday, 27 January 2009 14:43 (seventeen years ago)

I used to like Jossy's Giants. Good show.

Sheen does a v good impression of someone I work with but unfortunately he's always supposed to be someone else.

I'm looking forward to Red Riding a lot more than this.

(x-post: disappointing! The footage on the Channel 4 site looked OK).

― Charles Bronson (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 27 January 2009 14:44 (seventeen years ago)

^^^ otoh i have heard the bronson film is a+++

this is all single-source though, and personally i reckon the red riding trailer looks good.

― A Good Story (special guest stars mark bronson), Tuesday, 27 January 2009 14:48 (seventeen years ago)

I'm bummed Sheen isn't playing Bronson tbh.

― Charles Bronson (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 27 January 2009 14:57 (seventeen years ago)

Michael Sheen as Arthur Scargill

― DJ Khaledonian Thistle (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 27 January 2009 15:03 (seventeen years ago)

Michael Sheen as Enoch Powell

― DJ Khaledonian Thistle (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 27 January 2009 15:03 (seventeen years ago)

Michael Sheen as Big Daddy

― DJ Khaledonian Thistle (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 27 January 2009 15:03 (seventeen years ago)

Michael Sheen as Mary Seacole

― DJ Khaledonian Thistle (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 27 January 2009 15:03 (seventeen years ago)

Michael Sheen as Charlie Sheen

― Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Tom D.), Tuesday, 27 January 2009 15:05 (seventeen years ago)

Michael Sheen as Tombot

― DJ Khaledonian Thistle (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 27 January 2009 15:05 (seventeen years ago)

Michael Sheen is Garu G

― Mark G, Tuesday, 27 January 2009 15:06 (seventeen years ago)

Michael Sheen as Arthur Scargill

― DJ Khaledonian Thistle (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 27 January 2009 15:03 (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Pretty sure this'll happen when the GB84 adaption gets greenlit.

― Charles Bronson (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 27 January 2009 15:17 (seventeen years ago)

Incongruous Actor as Unlike Part

― A Good Story (special guest stars mark bronson), Tuesday, 27 January 2009 15:34 (seventeen years ago)

Michael Sheen as John Part in Dartboard Utd
Michael Sheen as Arvo Part in Damned Minimalism That Employs Tintinnabulation and Hypnotic Repetitions That Is Also Influenced By the Intellectual Counterpoint Elements of European Jazz, But Fits a European-American Post-Modernism Rather Than an Example of So-called World Music.

― Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Tom D.), Tuesday, 27 January 2009 15:38 (seventeen years ago)

one month passes...

CLOUGH on ITV - this is tremendous stuff! I hope Steady Mike's watching - O'Neill ponderings, old-time Brian Moore, LWT logo and all.

― the pinefox, Wednesday, 25 March 2009 22:55 (seventeen years ago)

Crikey, no-one else saw this? You want bloody shooting for missing it!

― the pinefox, Thursday, 26 March 2009 09:42 (seventeen years ago)

Some of us were watching this while not fannying around with computers, young man!

― Mark G, Thursday, 26 March 2009 09:46 (seventeen years ago)

Saw it. A bit irritatingly flashy in places and obviously designed for two second attention span twunts but still great. Kenny Burns!

― Sacco, Vanzetti, Passantino... (Tom D.), Thursday, 26 March 2009 09:49 (seventeen years ago)

The Damned Utd is totally informing my Football Manager tactics right now.

― Townie Mong Shit (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 26 March 2009 10:22 (seventeen years ago)

am just watching Forest vs Hamburg in the 1980 European cup final, jesus but Forest were lucky. And thankful to a couple of amazing saves from Shilton as they were absolutely battered.

― problem chimp (Porkpie), Thursday, 26 March 2009 21:01 (seventeen years ago)

is that the one where Keegan kept falling on his arse?

― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 26 March 2009 21:03 (seventeen years ago)

Very unusually, I must now be relatively one of the first people to have seen THE DAMNED UNITED.

It's economical, clear, enjoyable; quite good entertainment. But it didn't really satisfy me as a film about Brian Clough. Sheen often didn't seem like Clough to me - the voice can be great, but maybe Sheen is too much Sheen, or Blair? More problematically, this Clough kept doing and saying things I just didn't believe Clough would have. It wasn't Clough enough. He also wasn't tough enough, not as tough as Clough. This Clough seemed frail and vulnerable in a sense I don't think BC was.

It left me wanting to see the real Clough - Revie debate in full, I suppose.

Good things: Barry Davies' voice, and Tony Gubba officially 'as himself' on the credits.

― the pinefox, Friday, 27 March 2009 20:57 (seventeen years ago)

Can anyone provide a link to full, or just extensive, video of the Clough / Revie debate online?

― the pinefox, Friday, 27 March 2009 22:12 (seventeen years ago)

Yes

― Venga, Friday, 27 March 2009 22:43 (seventeen years ago)

Thanks, Venga! It's amazing stuff ... I think one has to recognize that, whatever frame might be readily put on it, Revie and Clough actually spend a lot of time going out of their way to agree with each other and assert a certain managers'-union decorum and unity vs the media.

― the pinefox, Friday, 27 March 2009 23:49 (seventeen years ago)

well, not all the time.

― the pinefox, Friday, 27 March 2009 23:59 (seventeen years ago)

quite a sound review:
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/reviews/the-damned-united-15-1655011.html

― the pinefox, Saturday, 28 March 2009 00:12 (seventeen years ago)

Latest take on this film: it feels like it was made by people who hadn't seen their teams beaten, again and again, by the teams of Brian Clough.

― the pinefox, Saturday, 28 March 2009 13:44 (seventeen years ago)

Morgan's Clough is a different creature from Peace's book.

Every time I see something like this it puts me off, a little.

― Vanessa del Rio Ferdinand (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 28 March 2009 13:48 (seventeen years ago)

That video is great. I would love to see Fergie and Wenger go at each other like that on TV.

― Matt DC, Saturday, 28 March 2009 14:46 (seventeen years ago)

You must be logged in to post. Please either login here, or if you are not registered, you may register here.